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User talk:Jim Burton

2026-05-13T21:38:40Z

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== Copies of unused files ==

Hello, Jim. Would you mind emailing me a copy of these memes that were deleted for being unused?

*[[:File:BirdsShitting.png]]
*[[:File:Frnotharm.png]]
*[[:File:LGBT_Groomer.png]]

I am not going to upload them again, I just want them for my meme collection. Thank you. [[User:JJ1|JJ1]] ([[User talk:JJ1|talk]]) 21:38, 13 May 2026 (UTC)

Memes and Graphics

2026-05-03T20:04:29Z

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This is an organized, ethnological study of [[Wikipedia:Internet meme|memes]] by, and about [[Minor Attracted Person|MAPs]] from various political and apolitical perspectives. While this archive is considered largely complete, we will [[NewgonWiki:Getting involved|consider exceptional and notable examples]] for inclusion.

In addition to the informational memes on this page, [[research]] graphics can be found at [[Index of Excerpt Gallery Libraries|this index]], or on their respective research pages.

'''Traditional memes have search tags; press control+F on your keyboard and type in a search term.'''

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Memes, graphics and artwork are presented here for discussion, deliberation and modification. We do not endorse any meme, and have tried to reflect the breadth of material on our subject - some of which may confront conservative stereotypes of the MAP Movement as a project solely of the political left. The [[Newgon|organizational]] logo may be present on material designed or not designed by its members, or members of spin-off groups, as per our [[Ethos of Newgon|ethos]]. Some memes mobilize and redeploy narratives usually deemed hostile to [[Minor Attracted Person|MAPs]], since they are designed for use in explicitly hostile venues. Material reproduced here is therefore not to be confused with [[Newgon]]'s editorial.

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==The MAP Flag==
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The concept underlying the [[MAP Flag]] was seen as early as 2009 and it resurfaced (or was spontaneously recoined) in 2018, gathering widespread social media attention after a campaign by [[NOMAP]]s on Tumblr. It has been re-imagined twice by Jim Burton - most recently as a [[:File:MU-high tower.png|horizontal gradient]].

===Originals===

These are the most commonly used MAP Flags.

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File:Mapflag2018.svg|2018 post-publicity "MAP Flag" - i.e. original Stenna "[[NOMAP]] Flag"
File:Yapf2.png|2023 [[Youth Attracted Person|YAP]] Flag - Lilitha
File:Yesmap.png|2022 "Yesmap Flag" - exclusive [[pro-c]] symbol first published here - Jim Burton
File:Mapunion.png|2023 Union MAP Flag concept combining the 2018 and 2021 variants - Jim Burton
File:Gradient.jpeg|2009 Newgon "Gradient" Flag by Philist: First known use of this, or a related concept
</Gallery>

===MAP Flag variations and memes===

The MAP Flag has already been used in numerous good-faith social media profiles of MAPs, but also by activists in campaigns that deliberately troll opponents, both in favor of, and in antagonism against MAPs.

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File:MAPflagunitedlarge.svg|2021 MAP Flag presented without anti-alias (i.e. for making an actual flag)
File:Mapmane.png|MAP Maned Lion (Bolt)
File:Revolution.jpg|Revolution, inc MAP Flag - [[Katie Cruz]]. Find this and more graphics at [https://mirror.amapin.love/ The Mirror Project].
File:Fist2.png|Similar fist with blended flag colors - Matthewyoung ([[:Image:Fist2.png|alternative version by Katie Cruz inside]])
File:23a30f4c38ac90ad.png|MAP Rights are Human Rights - kore, fediverse, artwork at bottom, Snuffies
File:Resistance.png|Resistance - Cailín Leannán (based on imagery from Irish troubles)
File:Flag.png|Raising the MAP Flag
File:Beeflag.png|Similar, modified by beefriend
File:Poik9090853.png|Union MAP Flag, effect by Poik, PCMA
File:E217c2e8993f1daf.png|Pizza Flag, Silvestery, pawoo.net
File:Mapflag160.jpg|Banksy-style MAP Flag in balloon<ref name="Uncredited" />
File:Bee.png|AAM artwork by bee, PCMA
File:Beeaam.jpg|Further AAM work by bee
File:954183092fb4458b.jpg|Fedi, unknown
File:Masoniccomunist.jpg|The '''M'''asonic '''A'''narcho-communist '''P'''edo Flag (or DDR MAP Flag by Yutlibnow)
File:Libedit.png|MAP Gadsden Flag - Beefriend
File:Anarch.png|Anarchist Gadsden MAP Flag (Ancap)
File:1000064426.png|Star with MAP-Coding (Ancap)
Image:FCncb9dWUAMBHOW.png|Pedophile Lives Matter by Strategist ([[:Image:FCncb9dWUAMBHOW.png|Conservative/Tory version inside]])
Image:MAPsBased.png|<nowiki>#MAPsAreBased</nowiki> - Strategist
1500x500.jpg|Semi-discreet header background in NOMAP orientation<ref name="Uncredited" />
File:Flagbann.png|Header bg based on flag (Rin)
File:Flower-arch-head.png|Flower Arch Header - beefriend
File:Anglomap flag2.png|AngloNOMAP Flag by Rin ([[:Image:Anglomap flag2.png|alternative AngloMAP version inside]])
File:Bg1.png|Background/desktop (maki, NNIA)
File:Bg2.png|Background/desktop<ref name="Uncredited" />
File:Flagbg2.png|Very subtle bg by beefriend
File:Untitled407 20240624163637.jpg|background - bee, PCMA
File:Flagmf.png|Graphic with jumping young people (Mythebe, FST, originally attached to an [[FreeSpeechTube|FST essay]])
File:Mapring.png|Transparent MAP Ring for PFPs ([[:Image:Mapring.png|alternative versions inside]])<ref name="Uncredited" />
File:Mappridesticker.jpg|"MAP Pride Sticker" from @SvbbyPvbby ([[:Image:Mappridesticker.jpg|alternative b&w version inside]])
File:Untitled372 20240529095904.jpg|Derivative "MAP and AAM Pride Stickers" from Bee ([[:Image:Untitled372 20240529095904.jpg|alternative 2021 Flag and AAM versions inside]])
Dumpy975815219584589834-1.gif|'''GIF:''' Among Us Twerk/Among Us Dumpy-type meme<ref name="Uncredited">If you are the creator of this file, it has not been credited because we were unable to determine your identity, or establish [https://www.yesmap.net/contact contact] (due, for example, to defederation) and determine your consent or otherwise to receiving credit. Only in extreme cases does NewgonWiki consider removal of material from this index - for example, violation of license, or extraordinary personal circumstances such as identifying information.</ref>
File:FqppVq8WIAIGlpk.jpg|MAP Flag Anime - many such examples present on [[Pediverse]]<ref name="Uncredited" />
File:Bgfbfgfg.png|Touching hand MAP Flag art<ref name="Uncredited" />
Mapflagfaded.png|Faded 2021 MAP Flag - Jim Burton
File:Lgbmap.png|Gay MAP Flag (contrary to popular claims, these have barely been adopted by MAPs)
File:Lesmap.png|[[Intergenerational Lesbianism|Lesbian MAP]] Flag (contrary to popular claims, these have barely been adopted by MAPs. Supposedly, [[Girllove|GL]] and [[Boylove|BL]] versions exist, too)
File:Kanji.png|Kanji (Chinese, Japanese) Love Symbol with [[Adult Attracted Minor|AAM]] flag colors ([[:Image:Kanji.png|alternative MAP versions inside]])<ref name="Uncredited" />
File:Mapaam.png|AAM heart inside a pro-choice MAP Flag (beefriend)
File:MAPFteacher.png|Teacher displays 2018 MAP Flag ([[:File:MAPFteacher.png|PS by beefriend, both versions available]])
File:MAPFteacher20.png|Lecturer displays 2021 MAP Flag ([[:File:MAPFteacher20.png|PS by beefriend, both versions available]])
File:Boymap.png|A small boy carries the MAP Flag (beefriend)
File:Mapkid.png|Small girl with MAP Flag (beefriend)
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==Simple/Traditional memes==

Traditional memes convey a short and salient message in a graphic. MAPs have been memed with (some would say) surprising success, and broadly throughout the internet. This is only a very narrow selection of the material that has been seen from various quarters. Our own [[research]] graphics can be found at '''[[Index of Excerpt Gallery Libraries|this index]]''', or on their respective research pages.

===The MAP Identity===

In addition to graphics and symbols in the lead section of this archive, a number of memes reference the MAP Identity, its development, public perceptions and internal issues. A [https://booru.mapsupport.de/posts MAP Support Booru] and [https://paraflags-wiki.org/index.php/Main_Page Paraphilia Flags Wiki] also lists memes and social media graphics based on MAP identities.

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File:1000003111.jpg|Reaction to MAP Identity - (visibility, gay, progress, lgbtq, pride, map flag, glb, inclusion, valid)
File:GNHB5FDXAAA-wjC.jpg|MAP Visibility - (social progress, lgbt, queer, pansexual, aam - [[:File:GNHB5FDXAAA-wjC.jpg|AAM and German variation inside]])
Il glf.jpg|MAP/YAP GLF parody - kore, fediverse - (liberation front, gay, queer, LGBT, paraphile, glf - [[:File:Il glf.jpg|Gay and Zoo versions inside]])
File:PedAreSick guy2 ar2-1 text2 v2 resized.jpg|Pedophiles Are Sick - part of the [[Invalid Impact Poster Campaign]] (map flag, provocative, mu)
File:Lucas657756.jpg|MAP/LGBT unity meme by Lucas, PCMA (gay, progress, map flag, glb, inclusion, cooperation)
File:Raw.png|Give MAP kids a chance to be kids - reversion Consuela [https://booru.mapsupport.de/post/140 mapsupport.de] (child, minor map, map flag, aam, inclusion, valid)
File:The_Revolution_Won't_Be_Televised.png|The Revolution Won't Be Televised - (progress, rallying troops, gloating, woke, pride)
File:Enbymeme.png|Pink hair enby - MAP adaptation (enby, map, valid, identity)
File:Mapally5.png|Be a MAP Ally - (Minor Attracted Person, pedo, hebephile, alliance, asexual, lgbt, gay - [[:File:Mapally5.png|presented in asexual and rainbow flag variations]])
File:Ima f4d8619.png|MAP Rights artwork, feat. older female / younger male - (map, valid, identity, youthlove, drawings, art)
File:Youthpo.png|Youth pornography etc vs statist terminology (nomap, erotica, mocking, language, youthlove, response, reply, csam, csai, troll)
File:Loliconpipeline.png|Pipeline punch lolicon edit (proship, fiction, lolicon, japanese, drawings, art, cunny, hebephilia, pipeline, pedophilia, propaganda, newgon, pediverse)
File:Pridemonth.png|Google LGBT vs MAP Pride Month Trolling Response (google maps, parody, logo)
File:Mapally.jpg|Insufferable MAP Ally (destigmatizer, nomap, coping, map, virped, talking therapy, non-maladaptive)
File:FHOv8J3XoBIfSQt.jpg|Pedo Yes Chad - "Yes". (based, chads, pedophilia, lolis, cunny, lolipiller, drawings, art, lolicon, cope, seethe, hebephilia)
File:FU0ZTx4XwAAcfGr.jpg|Say what you want about pedophiles (trolling, minor attraction, map, comedy, humor, perv)
File:Glowig.png|Pedo Yes Chad vs Fediverse Glowie (based, chads, pedophilia, fbi, cia, glow, pedi, fedi)
File:Maprigh5.png|MAP Rights AI Anime Protest - (Minor Attracted Person, pedo, hebephile, youth rights, maps, anime, art - [[:File:Maprigh5.png|many versions available]])
</gallery>

===Youth Autonomy/Rights/Liberation===

The autonomy, [[Research: Cognitive ability|capacities]] and liberation of youth are all likely to be crucial battlegrounds for MAPs, [[Adult Attracted Minor|AAMs]] and their allies over the next few decades. Another way of describing this, is fighting [[ageism]]. Anti-ageist memes are dotted around our categories, and the following are explicitly anti-ageist.

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File:Screenshot 2025-04-04-20-44-33-777.jpeg|UNAIDS: Age of Consent unhealthy and restrictive for young people (youth, sexual health, sti, consent, autonomy, rights)
File:FUbrBs9VsAA9vta.jpeg|Parents: I know you more than anyone else > No, you don't (youth, child, parent, autonomy, rights)
File:rapememe.png|How to prevent rape - Sayaka Fermi (hypocrisy, body autonomy, minor-adult sex, agency, irrational, coercion, awareness, education, youth, choice, prevention)
File:Scrolloftruth.png|Scroll of truth: Youth autonomy prevents abuse (hypocrisy, body autonomy, agency, irrational, choice, protection, education, youth, prevention)
File:Domino.png|Domino effect - Investigating MAPs to supporting YouthLib (liberation, youth rights, logic, sequential, cause and effect)
</gallery>

===CSA Absurdism and Professional Hypocrisy===

A large number of MAP and MAP-Adjacent memes expose and magnify the absurdism of narratives around [[safeguarding]], abuse, trauma and child protection. In some cases, the hypocritical beliefs of professionals and "experts" are given special treatment.

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File:Childinnocence.png|Childhood innocence has existed for around 2% of time (history, safeguarding, ethnology, protection)
File:believe.jpg|Believe the Children (consent, abuse, trauma, testimony, trust, children, courtroom, legal, doctor, hypocrisy, medicine - [[:File:believe.jpg|alternative inside re. conversion therapy]])
File:Psychs.png|Child psychologists cat reaction to minors (minor-minor sex, science, rso, registry reform, pseudoscience, victomology)
File:Pcaldihufjbidcfjb.png|No sex unless accompanied by adults - Peter Caldwell, PCMA (consent, child sex, park sign, rules, safeguarding, age-appropriate)
File:BBoobs.jpg|Babies vs Teens Sucking Boobs (consent, hypocrisy, babies, age, teens, perversion, professor, inappropriate)
File:Main-qimg-12579087b355f31646ea5b1f506cf832-lq.jpg|I, too have lost a kingdom (sex offender, rso, kiddy fiddler, atlantis, athenian, surreal, hysteria, bizarre, molester)
File:denial.jpg|Child protectors believe children are in denial (minor-adult sex, testimony, rationalization, distortion, minors, ignorant, fallacy, mental blocking)
Fhritp.png|A 15 year old is a child, period (mic drop, jamal, teen, menstruation, child, triggered, antis, sjw, feminist, npc, based, comeback, reply, response)
File:Confused2.png|Confused if he should be scarred for life (age, arbitrary, teen, minor-adult sex, trauma, damage, scarred, absurd, crazy)
File:At85scarred.png|85 year old man learns he was abused ([https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35232293/ implausible] reaction) (age, arbitrary, teen, minor-adult sex, elderly, trauma, damage, scarred, absurd, crazy)
File:FJy-YI XIAEWo2U.png|Juvenile offending records vs sex offender records (facepalm, normies, register, registry, rso, law, legal, insane, madness, arbitrary, minors, youth, kids)
File:TouchingGood.png|Good Touches (teacher, education, instruction, learning, quote, swimsuit, protection, sexual harassment, abuse, trauma)
File:Whenispacceptable.png|When is pedophilia acceptable political compass (reply, response, politics, map, pedo, libertarian, authoritarian, left, right)
File:Misopedic.png|Misopedic ageists (antis, chad, swim, children, ageism, moronic, surrealist, girl, cute)
File:randomphotonew.png|Random photo reaction (hysteria, funny, sex fascists, western, crazy, nonwestern, fellatio, suck, abuse, overreaction)
File:WaterGlassSF.png|Glass of Water with optimist, pessimist and Sex Fascists (hysteria, sex fascists, western, indian, nonwestern, abuse, cultural, overreaction - [[:File:WaterGlassSF.png|version with various countries inside]])
File:Unboy.png|United Nations vs Teen Boy (agency, consent, autonomy, international community, bureaucracy, ngo, unicef, ILGA, hypocrisy, feminism, leftism, lizard people, feminazis)
File:18th Birthday Clock hit 12.jpg|Arbitrary nature of age limit (hypocrisy, child, adult, teen, consent, autonomy, americans, agency, age, 18, absurd)
File:SexualOritent.jpg|'Child' is not a Gender (identitarian, sexuality, orientation, identity, validity, sjw, woke, adult, adultism, gender, pedophilia)
File:MAPSchool.png|Public Schools (map, prevalence, pedophilia, hebephilia, response, reply, naive, parents, grooming, access, protection, education - combine with [[Research: Prevalence|prevalence]] info)
File:horse.png|Covering genitals to prevent trauma to baby horses (nudity, bullshit, hysterical, children, graphic, protection, morality, americans, scarred, mental)
File:Childmeme.png|Responding to in-thread misdefinition of child (definition, accuracy, reply, response, children, dumb, hysterical, ageism, dictionary, teens)
File:Brain Development Is Ableist (2).png|Brain Development is Ableist (cognitive capacity and development, mental, minor-adult sex, ability, disabled, ageist, ageism, chauvinism)
File:FJARn kWQAElHfn.jpg|Brain scan - trauma absurdity (consent, minor-adult sex, age, harm, law, arbitrary, absurd, science, pseudoscience, americans, cognitive, westerners)
File:Expressfake.png|Fake Express article (blame, minor-adult sex, age, harm, economy, absurd)
</gallery>

===Responding to [[Anti]]s (and their hypocrisy)===

Some responses to anti-MAP sympathies are also included under "redeploying hostile discourses" and the sections on conservatives, liberals and CSA Absurdism.

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File:Sheepl.png|MAP Propaganda vs the Informed Citizen (pedo, map flag, social media, consumption, anti, dissonance, hypocrisy)
File:Sexbingo.png|Sex Fascist Bingo: (hypocrisy, religion, consent, cognitive development/capacity, mental, pedophiles, orientation, distortion, fallacy, fallacies, antis, response)
File:Fuckyou.png|Minor attraction is wrong/Fuck you (antis, parents, reply, response, comeback)
File:217 - anti-map flag artist chizu type edit.png|Burning the anti-MAP Flag (antis, haters, reply, response, comeback)
File:Qplamz.png|Antis and parents vs MAPs, Minors collateral (antis, parents, reply, response, comeback, law, secondary harm, crossfire)
File:Woodchippagobrrrrr.jpg|Anti wojak, annotated (antis, trolling, insult, woodchipper, face wall, moronic, dumb, reply, response)
File:Minorcard.png|Minor card, with privileges (underage, puriteen, reply, response, juvenile, twitter, debate, argument, opinion discarded)
File:DontloveCLs.png|Love children but don't love CLs (pedophile, response, reply, comeback, parents)
File:FQU5DnXWYAQkKTI.jpg|Yes Chad baseball bat anti-meme response (gore/blood, violence, consent, attack, validity, reply, response, based, pedo)
File:Yeschadconsenting.png|Islam Yes Chad baseball bat anti-meme consent response (gore/blood, violence, consent, attack, allahu akbar, reply, response, based, pedo)
File:Hateyourself.png|"You should hate yourself" NPC (MAP Flag, cope, seethe, pedo, hebephilia, self concept, ego - [[:File:Hateyourself.png|Chinese translation]] inside)
File:Bluherinnerbattlefield.png|Reaction formation in antis (antis, haters, quote, response, reply, zoophile, self loathing, reaction, projection, denial, psychological)
File:Fbi.jpg|FBI anti-meme response (fed, feelings, offended, hurt, feelz, feds, police report, reply, response, haters, law enforcement, alphabet agencies)
File:Sfascist.gif|'''(GIF)''' Sex fascist clairvoyant "nonce" comeback (paranormal, spirit, reader, fortune, mystic, antis, reply, response, haters, nonce, pedophile, paedo)
File:Orcgif.gif|'''(GIF)''' VAR decision "nonce" comeback (football, soccer, orc, decision, antis, reply, response, haters, nonce, pedophile, paedo)
File:Sponge.png|Stigma on pedophiles ok, no stigma on child wage slavery ok (antis, haters, taboo, stigmas, pedophile, map, spongebob, rights, child labor, consumer, hypocrisy)
File:FPGlITUWYAkbGCV.jpg|Call him a pedo (sheeple, normies, conservatives, ad hominem, defamation, debate, response, reply, facts, social media, twitter logic)
File:964aed6d03b0e59a.png|Everything I don't like is pedophilia (for dummies, pedo hating, ad hominem, debate, response, reply, social media, emotional, twitter logic)
File:269.jpg|Hypocrisy on child protection vs exploitation (sheeple, normies, reply, response, hypocrisy, conformity)
File:FHoD725WYAE3DSC.jpg|The real intentions of "seek therapy" (antis, haters, pedophile, map, mental health, services, rights, get help, mhp, ableism, illness, validity, nomap, virped, pedmed, hypocrisy)
File:Therapy.png|Telling a MAP to seek therapy (antis, haters, pedophile, map, mental health, services, rights, get help, mhp, b4uact, degenerate, nomap, virped, pedmed)
File:FGyKNkMXoAI7qbi.jpg|Polarizing topic (born this way, native, immutable, pedophilia, map, hypocrisy, sjws, normies, social justice, woke, lgbt, gay)
File:Orcbrain.jpeg|Pedo hater: Orc (response, reply, antis, red flag, woodchipper, nazi, fascist, groomer, caveman, hansen, monster, zombie, neanderthal, moron)
File:Antis.jpg|Antis creating their own monsters (antis, haters, nomap, pedophile, map, virped, pedmed, hypocrisy)
File:CSAexpert.png|CSA doesn't make you CSA expert (doctor, survivor, expert, arbitrary, science, minor-adult sex, abuse, trauma, fallacy, debate, reply, response)
File:Chudj2.png|Soylita/wholesome soyjak couple (antis, haters, consent, her body, her choice, lolita, seethe, wojak)
File:Pedisevil.jpg|Source: Pedophilia is evil (online debate, fallacy, response, reply, chad, facts, social media, twitter logic)
</gallery>

====Responding to Western Hypocrisy====

Criticism of overbearing and sometimes absurd anglo-american moral and legal norms has been a mainstay of MAP memes.

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File:Main-qimg.jpg|Stigma against currently lawful age-gap relationships. (hypocrisy, cultural, western, jealousy, female regret, age apartheid)
File:TechGiants.png|Tech Giants' Media Manipulation re. Child protection (hypocrisy, csa, ngos, trafficking, cultural, western, nonwestern, india, minor-adult sex, journalism, distortion, bias, standpoint)
File:Random.jpg|Western Arrogance with AoC (western, nonwestern, consent, elites, government, age, laws, sex)
File:FJzBuknXEAMnGhh.png|Elites laugh at Sex Offender Registry (elites, politicians, register, registry, rso, law, legal, insane, madness)
File:Doctor.jpg|Playing doctor shouldn't get you put on the registry (register, american, western, registry, rso, law, legal, insane, minors, kids, boy, madness)
File:Beachmeme.png|Volleyball girls - most men would find attractive (hypocrisy, child, adult, teen, consent, americans, age, 18, absurd)
File:FHzQh3LagAAQ9H7.png|Most people's idea of pedophilia (hypocrisy, cuck, child, teen, adult, consent, autonomy, americans, agency, age, 18, pedophile, simping, white knight)
File:Hebetruth.jpg|Most Men are Hebephilic/Ephebophilic, they just can't admit it (hypocrisy, circlejerk, cuck, child, teen, adult, consent, americans, age, 18, pedophile, simping, white knight)
File:Westerners17.png|How Westerners think biology works (western, nonwestern, hypocrisy, child, adult, teen, arousal, attraction, americans, age, 18, absurd)
File:Zombie.png|American/Western standards on children and nudity (innocence, media, tv, movies, children, america, indecent, nipple)
File:Usapedo.jpg|In America, everybody calls each other a pedo (ok pedo, antis, reply, response, defamation, america moment)
File:Changemymind.jpg|SOR a waste of money - response to "change my mind" (ok pedo, registry reform, reply, response, offending, offender)
File:ualization.png|Sexualization with Hijab and Bikini (nudity, children, protection, americans, western, hysteria, psychotic, neurosis, clothing, make-up, hypocrisy, grooming)
File:AnimeBan.png|Anime Ban proposal showing arrogance of the West (anime, lolicon, proship, drawings, art, americans, western, nonwestern, hysteria, hypocrisy, imperialism)
File:Untitled439.png|Dignitaries sit back and enjoy a display by lolis (hypocrisy, pedo, minor attraction, politician, duda, polish, ballet, artistic, dance, trolling)
File:What is statutory rape.png|What is statutory rape?
</gallery>

===Responding to Conservatives (and their hypocrisy)===

Conservative hostility to MAPs has been a feature of many historical cultures, but formed as a visible movement in the 1970s, with campaigns from [[Moral panic|Anita Bryant]], [[Wikipedia:Mary Whitehouse|Mary Whitehouse]], [[Lloyd Martin]] and [[Judianne Densen-Gerber]] among others. The [https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/chud "Chud"] wojak (''Chudjak'') is a mainstay of conservative depictions in present-day meming, and has sometimes been used to ridicule conservative [[anti]]-MAPs.

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File:GpzrE4dWIAIxUTn.jpg|LGB without the TQ+ (gay assimilationist, no pedo, gays against groomers, trans, TERF, homo, queer, degenerate)
File:GpzkprCawAAy J2.jpg|LGB without the TQ+ (gay assimilationist, no pedo, gays against groomers, trans, TERF, homo, queer, degenerate)
File:5F9BCB5A-61FC-4C61-987D-FE2EE37B9FE2.jpeg|Rome at its peak (trolling, chud, chad, antis, trad, history, humor, ridicule)
Chudbehavior.png|Chud behavior (trolling, pedo hunters, antis, kill all pedos, humor, ridicule, woodchipper)
File:8813244113c26fe2.png|Passing down hate via adjacency anxiety - Arden, MAPSupport (maga, gay, LGBT, degenerate, trans, map, pedo, groomer)
File:Norfc.png|Norf FC nonce series (refers to British working class culture) (chud, hunter, paedo, football, soccer, fan - [[:File:Norfc.png|series inside]])
File:Catboy.jpg|Chudjak therapy (trolling, chud, freudian, antis, kill all pedos, humor, catboy, tiktok, ridicule, woodchipper)
File:Yessss.png|"Yes" to chud with infertile wife. (based, chads, pedophilia, lolis, cunny, lolipiller, cope, seethe, copium, hebephilia)
File:Groomer86.jpg|Grooming...according to who? (hypocrisy, groomer, conservatives, trans, bodily autonomy, choice, lgbt)
File:Slut2.png|Sex Fascists through the ages (hypocrisy, gay, lgbt, history, historical, slut shaming, female, modesty, prudery)
File:Averagepedophobe.jpg|Pedo chad vs Pedophobe conspiracy theorist (cunny, trolling, map, pedo, hebephile, lolis, jew, dads against predators, guns)
File:378.jpg|/pol/ hypocrisy on drawn child erotica (normies, conservatives, woodchipper, reply, response, hypocrisy, lolicon, fiction, proship, lolbertarian, redpill, bluepill, censorship, canceled)
File:FQUw6PLXoA48YBF.jpg|Conservatives are for free speech, but not for MAPs (sheeple, normies, conservatives, woodchipper, reply, response, hypocrisy, liberals, libertarian, lolbertarian, red blue pill, censorship, canceled)
File:matthew.png|St Nicholas/Matthew Christian trigger meme (reply, response, gay, boys, maps, trigger, bait, troll, santa claus, christmas, christian, religion)
File:Bible_verses.jpg|Pedophobic Christians didn't read the Bible (christianity, religion, conservatives, table, reply, response, hypocrisy, red pill, lies, red blue pill)
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====Progress and Normalization====

A common claim of conservative [[anti]]-MAPs is that we are seeing a covert agenda of "pedophile [[MAPocalypse|normalization"]]. While this optimistic outlook does not match the lived experience of most MAPs, we have seen memes and graphics that play with the idea by situating MAPs within the broader liberal paradigm of "social progress", or unapologetically attempt to normalize attraction to minors.

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File:4976b11a-3981-47d1-8a95-575a24866eed.png|Progress don't make me tap the sign variation (gay, homosexual, LGBT, slavery, mental illness)
File:Magicisl.png|Magic Island (clinton, maxwell, epstein, lolita, podesta, pizzagate)
File:747.jpg|Slippery slope extended (gay, lgbtq, sjw, woke, based, progressive, homo, incrementalism, maga, groomer, boomer, response, reply)
File:075.jpg|We'll never let you... (gay, lgbtq, sjw, woke, based, progressive, homo, incrementalism, women, civil, maga, groomer, boomer, response, reply)
File:Alok.jpg|Alok Vaid-Menon Quote: "little girls are also kinky" (girls, innocence, kink, trigger, bait, conservatives, americans, queer, children, trans, straight, purity, modesty, innocent, pure)
File:Progress.png|That's how progress works (trolling, surreal, humor, ridicule, progressive)
File:Ourcrazyworld.jpg|Our Crazy World (cartoon, map, progress, gay, civil rights, humor, mapocalypse, normalization)
File:Cantorincludep.png|James Cantor - Add P to alphabet (sexuality, pedophilia, include the p, minor attraction, lgbt, gay, queer, maps, identitarian, researcher, quote, trigger/bait)
File:FHeCpC5XIAkE9Xx.jpg|Offensively realistic take on an age-gap relationship (girl, teen, maps, minor-adult sex, age gap, love, taboo, bait, troll)
File:Ipceconf.png|[[Ipce]] power point presentation, girl at podium (hebephilia, pedo, minor attraction, science, trolling)
File:Lolihebe.jpg|Hebe lolis w/ table showing response levels (graph, table, study, sexual arousal, troll, bait, attraction, age, pedophilia, hebephilia, girls, plethysmograph - this is adapted from the notorious [[:File:Halletal.jpg|fake Russian infomeme]])
File:Groomer.png|Grooming a girl with better-known MAP infomemes (groomer, troll, bait, children, ok groomer, abuser, kinsey, study, indoctrination - this meme refers to a [[:File:Adultadult2.png|Kinsey data meme]], and there is also an [[:File:Groomer.png|alt version referring to the adjacent russian meme]])
File:FXtPN01aQAEPj6C.jpg|Response to attractive girl, in denial (hypocrisy, pedo, minor attraction, trolling)
File:Ilovelolis.png|I love Lolis Chad (cunny, trolling, map, pedo, hebephile)
File:Shareifyoulovekids.jpg|Share if you love kids (trolling, minor attraction, map, aam)
File:Imagecp.png|Enjoy CP (cola, american, cunny, lolis, trolling, map, pedo, hebephile)
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===Responding to Liberals/Leftists (and their hypocrisy)===

Liberal and Leftist points of view are varied on the topic of MAPs, but tend to range from mild disapproval, thru denial, to silenced embarrassment in the face of hearty conservative uproar. Often, MAPs (who have benefitted from collaboration with gay leftist movements in the past) are left by would-be allies to a fate determined solely by political optics. Thus, liberal and leftist discourses on MAPs sometimes refer to the questionable concept of social ''(in)validity'', something the LGBT section also addresses.

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File:Conversiontherapy.png|LGBT vs MAP conversion therapy - liberal [[pro-recovery]] response (pedophile, response, reply, comeback, map, lib, medical, hypocrisy, coping, mentally ill, therapy, get help, gay, lgbt)
File:Abortionrape.png|Abortion vs Rape - Liberal Hypocrisy (abortion, religion, conservative, liberal, consent, ageism, youth, rights, adult)
File:FPXhdRSX0AEVeQ2.jpg|Anarchist Chads on Pedophilia in Queer Theory (normie, npc, conservatives, anarchism, queer, pedophilia, theory, dumb, homophobia, bigot)
File:Femgirl.png|Fembot vs Teen Girl (agency, consent, autonomy, services, protection, child, teen, shock, disgust, hypocrisy, feminism, leftism, radfem, feminazi)
File:Ussraoc.png|Inconvenient USSR Age of Consent (trolling, russia, anarchist, anarcho communist, communism, commie, marxist)
File:Soyjakparty.png|From soyjak.party (liberal, leftist, lgbt, coom, soy, gay, progress, pride, MAPs, mapphobia)
File:Wikipedos.png|Wikipedia has a suite of articles on Raytheon, but deletes an article on CSA prevention, then burns the redirect (wikipedia, censor, hypocrisy, MAP, wojak, jimbo)
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====Responding to the LGBT Lobby (and its hypocrisy)====

[[Validity Policing]] and hypocrisy from the LGBT Lobby is a common experience of online MAPs. This follows expedient political maneuvres in the 1980s and 90s, in which the LGBT Lobby [[Historical examples of LGBT-MAP unity|responded to conservative anti-MAP scare campaigns]] by distancing MAPs. See also, some of the responses to Liberals.

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File:Lgbgender.png|LGBT Community can't move beyond trans issues on youth autonomy (lgbt, gay, trans, nonbinary, groomer, lgbtq, gender, youth, autonomy)
File:Gays-phobes.png|Gay hypocrisy re whataboutism over argument from nature/history (hypocrisy, gay, lgbt, irrational, slavery, barbaric, anger, nature, animals, historical, anthropological, homophobes, greece, pederasty)
File:Valpol.png|The Validity Police (lgbt, gay, pride, hypocrisy, policing, lgbtq, age appropriate, development - [[:File:Valpol.png|alternative versions inc. Transage inside]])
File:Antibadguy.png|Anti Bad Guy Squad (hypocrisy, gay, lgbtq, sjw, woke, invalid, validity, homo - ([[:File:Antibadguy.png|no-color version inside]]))
File:Mapgymnastics.png|MAP vs LGBT Mental Gymnastics (reply, response, rationalization, logic, fallacy, npc, gay, queer, sjw, argument, pedophile, minor-attracted)
File:Sheep copy.png|People whose definition of "Queer" is "anything acceptable" (reply, response, bait, queer, sjw, npc, woke, identitarian, identity, midwits, pedophilia, maps, gay rights, lgbt, normies - ([[:File:Sheep copy.png|series inside]]))
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===Responding to [[Lolicon]]s (and their hypocrisy)===

While some find it tiring, a [[Lolicon-MAP Equivalence Debate]] is ongoing throughout civilian political circles on social media. The following memes typify the MAP response to Western Lolicons who mobilize [[Proship|shipping]] discourse to deny they are attracted to youth.

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File:7deadbc2-3c7d-42b7-9f55-e0fa8e71b7e5.png|Age old and demented lolicon soothed by carer (lolicons, ironic, proship, fiction, porn, drawings, art, pedophilia, hebephilia, denial)
File:LoliMeme.jpg|Pointing to the hypocrisy of Lolicons (proship, fiction, child porn, lolicon, japanese, drawings, art, hypocrisy, pedophilia, cope, hebephilia - [[:File:LoliMeme.jpg|alternative inside re. plethysmograph test]])
File:FHQcxJbUUAADrQH.jpg|Bell curve on lolicon (proship, fiction, child porn, lolicon, japanese, npc, normie, midwit, drawings, art, cope, cognitive development, ability, capacity, brain, IQ, age, pedophilia, hebephilia - [[:File:FHQcxJbUUAADrQH.jpg|alternative versions]], inc re. mental capacity and elite pedophilia inside)
File:Fqk0qqmXgAgRp4j.jpg|Caricature of ironic lolicons (proship, fandom, fictosexual, fiction, child porn, lolicon, japanese, drawings, art, hypocrisy, pedophilia, trannies, trans, troon)
File:Cunnycave.png|Cunny cave (lolicons, ironic, proship, fiction, porn, drawings, art, pedophilia, hebephilia, denial)
File:117 - artist chicken thoughts artist chizu bird cracker ironic lolicon type comic edit.png|Chizu Lolicon "bird cracker edit" (lolicons, ironic, proship, fiction, porn, drawings, art, japanese, antis, pedophilia, hebephilia, denial)
File:FJffEqJXMAA2mnj.jpg|Pedos vs Lolicons (proship, fiction, child porn, lolicon, japanese, doctor, drawings, art, chad, cope, hypocrisy, pedophilia, hebephilia)
File:549iugbjkn34908r54.png|Algorithmic programmed response in lolicon and normie npc (proship, fiction, child porn, lolicon, japanese, drawings, art, cope, hypocrisy, ironics, pedophilia, hebephilia)
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===Redeploying hostile discourses===

A considerable part of online MAP discourse centers on the redeployment of predominant elitist, authoritarian and extremist narratives sometimes used to attack MAPs. While this has led to the embarrassment and triggering of [[anti]]s on social media, it is worth noting that some members of the community are ethically opposed to the idea of adopting problematic ideas inconsistent with personal, theoretical conceptions of social justice. These concerns have also been voiced in situations where MAPs enter "enemy territory" and unironically imitate disruptive/contrarian members of another group, such as [[Wikipedia:Groypers|4Chan Groypers]].

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File:Anti.png|Purposeful and smart Pedophiles vs Antis (pedos, pedophiles, maps, history, based, antis, haters, sex fascists, troll, bait)
File:Pedonoblememe.jpg|Pedophile/NOMAP of noble grace (reply, response, pedmed, virped, acnomap, virtuous, minor-attracted, map, virtue, antis, moron, idiot, cuck, asshole)
File:FgX2SHUUAAAL3Ij.jpg|Historical "pedophiles" (using broader popular definition) (pedos, pedophiles, maps, history, famous, wilde, response, troll, bait)
File:Uspepe.png|Pepe Wikipedia meme intended for use on 4Chan - Feminism and [[Age of Consent]] reformism (groyper, redpill, 4chan, puritan, reformism, frog)
File:Patriot4.png|Response meme re. PatriotWave's famous Kill Your Local Pedophile memes and bumper stickers etc - (guns, police, agecuck, conservative, reply, violent, vigilante, trolling, militia - [[:File:Patriot4.png|a few more variations inside]])
File:Sexfash.jpg|Cure for sex fascism (ok pedo, antis, fascist, reply, response, bullet, gun)
File:Pedopho.jpg|Cure for sex pedophobia (ok pedo, antis, reply, response, bullet, gun)
File:MAGANazi.jpg|Modern American vs Original German (groomer, MAGA, Nazi, reply, response, cartoon, comparison)
File:knowyourantiped.jpg|Know your anti-pedophile types (pedophobes, chart, reply, response)
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===When MAPs met StoneToss===

Much has been [https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/StoneToss written] (and [https://web.archive.org/web/20210729193213/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Stonetoss unwritten]) about the controversial online political cartoonist, StoneToss. While our [[:File:Circumcision-surgery-stonetoss-comic.png|series file]] keeps track of various originals and knock-offs (originality can be [https://stonetoss.com/ verified] at the comic's site), a few examples follow. It should be noted that some members of the community found the very idea of copying StoneToss as a style problematic and offensive, due to the views of its creator.

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File:Cunneh.png|Fake Stonetoss - Legalize cunny (libertarian, marijuana, hemp, hashish, cannabis, 420, child porn, cunny, loli, erotica, internet)
File:FX n5peVUAENkB3.png|Stonetoss.com debuts the [[MAP Flag]] and [[Pedophobia|Pedovan]] (lgbt, gay, pride, degeneracy, groomer, lgbtq activism, predator, free candy)
File:Circumcision-surgery-stonetoss-comic.png|Stonetoss.com - Series file, LGBT responses, etc (lgbt, gay, pride, hypocrisy, sjw, cognitive capacity, brain development, di caprio, child porn, consent, lgbtq activism, age appropriate - [[:File:Circumcision-surgery-stonetoss-comic.png|more such comics inside]])
File:170 - artist chizu artist stonetoss format stonetoss edit.png|Stonetoss: Chizu ''Lolicons are Pedophiles'' edit (lolicons, ironic, proship, fiction, porn, drawings, art, japanese, antis, pedophilia, hebephilia, denial)
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===Quotes and Miscellany===

The below memes can be applied to the debates covered on this page, and many more besides.

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File:Hwwouldyoulike.jpg|How would you like your state surveillance wrapped? (sheeple, normies, conservatives, liberals, online, reply, response, hypocrisy, lolbertarian, censorship, canceled)
File:1756905544839.png|I love kids vs gender (normie, chad, trad, male, female, discourse, contradiction, hypocrisy)
File:Trojan_horse.jpg|CSA trojan to breach encryption laws (data protection law, technology, surveillance, ignorance, governments, cynical, hidden, conspiracy, horse, internet, protect)
File:Cancel Culture.png|Cancel culture: Then vs now (sheeple, normies, conservatives, history, 1950s, liberals, red blue pill, censorship, canceled)
File:Censorshipmartin.png|George R. R. Martin: What Censorship tells us (quote, canceled, red blue pill, censor, liberal, conservative, politics, media, free speech, freedom)
File:It is easier to fool people.jpg|[[Mark Twain]]: It's easier to fool people... (sheeple, normies, quote, denial, psychological, mechanism, mental, conformity, debate, social media, facts and feelings)
File:Prostitution- giving orgasms shouldn't be a crime.jpg|George Carlin - on Prostitution (selling sex, quote, morality, rational, sex work, prude, conservative, debate, bias, sheeple, normies)
File:Better Science.jpg|What does refute science? (research, facts, science, social media, debate, bias, sheeple, religion, feelings, normies)
File:Trust the Scientists.jpg|Trust scientists rather than randoms (warning, research, facts, science, social media, twittards, debate, bias, sheeple, normies)
File:Science vs Social Media.jpg|Real science vs Social Media "science" (warning, research, facts, distorted, media, education, debate, bias, sheeple, normies)
File:Conformity.png|Conformity hazard (warning, research, facts, debate, feelings, sheeple, normies)
File:204 - tagme.png|Effects of ad hom argument strategy (debate, personal, logic, unintended, minority, sheeple, normies)
File:283 - tagme.jpg|Sampling bias, effect on outcomes (statistics, rational, facts, science, logic, npc, sheeple, normies)
File:FUv8RZDWIAcd6wt.jpg|Reasonable people in the minority (warning, rational, facts, debate, bias, social media, feelings, sheeple, normies)
File:FcxaCdKX0AEhopp.jpg||Drew Keys Quote: Smear Campaigns (mental instability, sjw attack, social media, debate, reply, twittard, response)
File:Baseddep.jpg|Based department calling! (based, kek, pepe, compliment, reply, response)
File:Agecuck soyjak meme.png|Things that people opposed to adult-teen sexuality say. (sjw attack, npc, sheeple, normies)
File:Agecuck_bingo_meme.png|A bingo card containing phrases used by people opposed to adult-teen sexuality. (sjw attack, npc, sheeple, normies)
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==Informational memes==

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File:MapsAreDeviant guy1 ar5-2-QR-Code text3 v2 resized.jpg|MAPs Are Deviant - part of the [[Invalid Impact Poster Campaign]] (map flag, provocative, mu)
File:Orig.png|MAP Flag Explainer without anti-c disinfo (minor attracted, flag, explainer, guide, info)
File:Minorsbeware.png|Minors Beware (red flags): (antis, warning, minors, consent, advice, youth, guide)
File:22 - anti-map flag artist drugar educational sources.png|Drugar literacy campaign for antis (minor-adult sex, academia, reading, knowledge, trolling, research, literature, study, facts)
File:Pandfeminism.png|Pedophilia and Feminism (first wave, second wave, third wave, womens, youth rights, judith butler)
File:The Truth About 'CP'(5).png|What you need to know about [[Child Pornography]] (kp, cp, kiddy, porn, porno, erotica, photographs, crime, csam, kinderporno, csai, lolita - [[:File:The Truth About 'CP'(5).png|Chinese translation inside]])
File:Kaaaren.png|Karen confronts CP (kp, cp, kiddy, porn, porno, erotica, photographs, crime, csam, kinderporno, csai, lolita, pornography, research, quotes - [[:File:Kaaaren.png|Italian translation inside]])
File:Ncmec.png|NCMEC [[Iatrogenesis]] (kp, cp, kiddy, porn, porno, erotica, photographs, crime, csam, kinderporno, csai, lolita, pornography, research, secondary harm, quotes)
File:Scapegoat.png|MAP Scapegoat - compared with Jews, Witches (gays, lgbt, blacks, jew, pedophilia, minor attraction, stereotyping, maps, status, persecution, bogeyman, pariah, witchhunt - [[:File:Scapegoat.png|series inside]])
File:Truthaboutm.jpg|Truth about MAPs (addresses myths) (sexuality, pedophilia, hebephilia, ephebophilia, nepiophilia, maps, accuracy, nomap, pedmed, virped, acnomap, facts, stigma, destigmatization [[:File:Truthaboutm.jpg|Chinese translation in file]])
File:MDEdge.png|MDEdge definition of minor-attraction (sexuality, pedophilia, hebephilia, ephebophilia, nepiophilia, maps, definition, accuracy, nomap, pedmed, virped, acnomap, stigma, destigmatization)
File:Chronorange.png|Seto definition of minor-attractions and chronophilias (sexuality, pedophilia, hebephilia, ephebophilia, nepiophilia, maps, definition, accuracy, nomap, pedmed, virped, acnomap, stigma, destigmatization)
File:Peddef.png|Simple response to misdefinition of p(a)edophilia (sexuality, hebephilia, pedophilia, minor attraction, definition, dictionary, psychology, accuracy)
File:The CSA-Industry.png|CSA Industrial Complex: Criminalization (Social-Economic Model) (sociology, politics, institutions, establishment, elites, money, profit, complex, relationship, chart, medicine, influence, organization)
File:The CSA-Industrial Complex.png|CSA Industrial Cycle (Social-Economic Model) (sociology, politics, institutions, elites, money, profit, establishment, complex, relationship, chart, diagram, influence, organization)
File:CSA Is Similar(1).png|CSA similarities to treatment of Homosexuals (gay history, treatments, conversion, survivors, therapy, apa, psychology, therapist)
File:Socio.png|Sociopolitical Model: Marginialization of Sexual Minorities (maps, sociology, politics, pariah, newgon, othering, bipartisan, ostracism, social, class)
File:Pseudo-e-t.png|Pseudoexclusive Teleiophilia (a new concept) (sexuality, hebephilia, pedophilia, minor attraction, seto, freund, newgon, science, psychology, trigger/bait)
File:The Myth of “Pedophilia OCD” (800 × 1000 px).png|"[[Pedophilia themed OCD]]" Debunk (sexuality, pocd, hebephilia, pedophilia, minor attraction, fake illness, shrinks, obsessive compulsive, mental, health, newgon, arousal, science, psychology, cope)
File:Primary.png|Most Child Rape is perpetrated by non-pedophiles (sexuality, pedophilia, assault, minor attraction, maps, crime, nomap, pedmed, virped, acnomap, stigma, destigmatization)
File:ACMAPWEAKNES.png|Weaknesses of an exclusive ACNOMAP/Medicalist agenda (pedmed, virpeds, pedophilia, minor attraction, maps, strategy, destigmatization)
File:Prevalence.jpg|Pedophilia [[Research: Prevalence|prevalence]] card, no link (sexuality, pedophilia, common, research, maps, minor-attraction, facts, stats, statistics, numbers)
File:Tac.png|Toxic Age Chauvinism (ageism, ableism, youth lib, youth rights, cognitive ability, research, quote, mental, teen brain)
File:Secoharm.png|Secondary Harm explainer (study, academia, secondary, trauma, harm, quote, paper, report, outcomes, csa, minor-adult sex - [[:File:SecNewColor.png|see full series]])
File:patterns45.png|Similar patterns between homosexuality and pedophilia (parrelel, similar, comparison, analogy, minor attraction, gay, queer, lgbt, western, nonwestern, animals, tribal, anthropological, cultural)
File:Pedodisorder2.png|Lecter: Pedophilic Disorder distinction ("inborn" is disputable, and the author has since evolved a less medicalist stance but the distinction is important) (sexuality, pedmed, virped, acnomap, pedophilia, minor attraction, native, science, psychology, innate, immutable, disorder, dsm)
File:Prevent.png|Prevent MAPs from accessing minors? Why not prevent physical abuse survivors while we are at it? (sexuality, neglect, hebephilia, risk, access, pedophilia, minor attraction, seto, freund, science, psychology)
B4u-mapflag.jpg|Suicide Stats (MAPs) (sexuality, pedophilia, minor attraction, death, pedmed, virped, nomap, acnomap, depression, despair, psychology, research, B4U-Act, standpoint - [[:File:B4CnEdit.png|Chinese translation]])
File:Thoughtsuppresion.png|Thought Suppression take (MAP Resources) (psychology, pedophilia, minor attraction, maps, pedmed, virped, nomap, acnomap, depression, despair, psychology, research)
File:Blackmales.png|Logic of antis vs crime statistics: Put a curfew on Black Men, see also, [[Media:Mailore.png|police officers]]: far stronger predictive strength for offending (sexuality, african american, hebephilia, risk, access, pedophilia, minor attraction, seto, science, psychology)
File:Mentaldisorder.png|"Mental disorders" according to psychiatry (sexuality, hebephilia, disorder, psychiatry, trans, illness, history, pedophilia, minor attraction, mental, science, psychology, analogy, similar)
File:Academia-controversy.jpg|What people's insistence on getting offended by academics proves (academia, hysteria, kershnar, controversy, offence, triggered, csa, science, lies, defense mechanism, projection, denial, walker, psychology, abuse, philosophy)
File:Lievreorthodoxy.png|Dan Lievre (Newgon Founder): Social Justice Orthodoxy makes no sense on MAPs (useful when dealing with charges that the MAP Movement is "woke". Tags: sexuality, hebephilia, validity, woke, quote, sjw, history, social theory, pedophilia, minor attraction, identitarianism, politics)
File:animalHebe1.png|Intergenerational sex among Primates with citation (animals, study, practise, rind/yuill, minor-adult sex, academic, observation, science, monkeys, species, learning)
File:Bonobos.png|[[Research: Intergenerational Sexual Behaviors in Animals|Bonobo Juveniles/infants]] enjoying sex play (animals, study, academic, practise, minor-adult sex, observation, science, monkeys, species, learning)
File:BonoHuman.png|Human-Bonobo-Chimp finer comparison (animals, cognitive capacity, capability, minor-adult sex, science, animals, monkeys, species, learning)
File:Karen-innocence.png|A Karen confronts [[Debate Guide: Childhood innocence|childhood innocence]] (quote, study, academia, innocent, teens, children, crazy, hysteria, boomers, facebook)
File:Rind.jpg|20+ year-old [[Rind et al|Rind]] Paradox (see more in [[Research]] and the [[Index of Excerpt Gallery Libraries|excerpt graphics]]) (study, academia, controversy, unanswered, paper, report, trauma, harm, outcomes, csa, minor-adult sex)
SRcombined.png|Statutory rape is a legal fiction (law, minor-adult sex, hysteria, madness, arbitrary, victim, victimless, consensual, crime)
File:StatDeath.png|Statutory Death parody (law, minor-adult sex, courtroom, funny, hysteria, madness, judge judy, arbitrary, victim, victimless, consensual, crime)
File:ChadVsSoy.jpg|CunnyChad vs Reddit Soyjak Mod (child-adult sex, based, minor-adult sex, academia, bruce rind, comparison, csa, data, analysis, quant, consenting, voluntary)
File:Adultadult2.png|Kinsey Data ([[:File:Adultadult2.png|series inside]]) (research, minor-adult sex, academia, bruce rind, comparison, csa, data, analysis, quant, child, consenting, voluntary)
File:Lesbians.png|Modern Feminists disowning Lesbian History (Kinsey) (research, minor-adult sex, academia, bruce rind, comparison, csa, data, analysis, quant, child, consenting, voluntary)
File:Rind23.png|Rind 2023 data. (research, minor-adult sex, academia, bruce rind, comparison, csa, data, analysis, quant, child, consenting, voluntary)
File:Zarade.jpg|LGBT Outcomes: "Listen to LGBT Youth" For the papers by Sonya Arreola, Alex Carballo-Diéguez and Jessica Stanley, see DOI: 10.1080/00224490802204431, DOI: 10.1007/s10508-011-9748-y and DOI: 10.1080/00224490409552245 respectively. (research, minor-adult sex, academia, lgbt, comparison, gay, youth, analysis, data, quant, child, consenting, voluntary)
File:Dolphin2.png|Adult-juvenile sex among Dolphins (animals, minor-adult sex, juvenile, similar, analogy, species, science, observation)
File:Endthecycle.png|[[Debate Guide: Cyclical paternalism|Cyclical paternalism]] explainer (consent, minor-adult sex, knowledge, ignorance, innocence, self fulfilling prophecy, paternalism, adultism, ageism, adverse consequence - [[:File:Endthecycle.png|Italian translation inside]])
File:Self-fulfilling.png|Self-fulfilling prophecy of harm (minor-adult sex, minor-minor sex, csa, damage, kids, children, education, teach, indoctrination, americans, secondary harm - [[:File:Self-fulfilling.png|alternative inside]])
File:Goon2.png|[[Grooming]] riddle (hypocrisy, illogical, abuse, csa, language, minor-adult sex)
File:Grooming2.png|[[Grooming]] is circular logic (fallacy, ok groomer, abuse, csa, language, minor-adult sex, harm, trauma, damage)
File:GroomingReworked.png|Grooming vs Courtship (fallacy, ok groomer, abuse, hypocrisy, csa, language, minor-adult sex, harm, manipulation, trauma, media, damage) - [[:File:GroomingReworked.png|alternative inside with media headlines]])
File:Groomingncmec.png|Analysis of NCMEC/Lanning Report pathologizing banality (grooming, feds, fbi, ncmec, minor-adult sex, law, americans)
File:Legalityreality.jpg|Legal consent does not equal reality (rape, statutory, abuse, csa, language, minor-adult sex, laws, consent, rso)
File:trickery.png|Wordplay: what they really mean (rape, statutory, abuse, csa, language, minor-adult sex, consent, voluntary, harm, trauma, damage)
File:Nonfic.png|Nonfiction for MAPs (seen on [[pediverse]]) (reading, research, academia, minor attracted person, minor-adult sex, levine, brongersma, positive memories, trauma)
File:Abrahamic faiths.png|Abrahamic faiths on intergenerational intimacy (religion, research, texts, christianity, judaism, islam, abrahamic, summary, youth-adult marriage)
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==Larger flyers==

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File:Lilystory.png|Narrative explaining the nonsense/unnatural concept of a consenting age (consent, minor-adult sex, law, legal, arbitrary, madness)
File:ConsentExamples.png|Consent explained with examples (consent, statutory, legal construct, minor-adult sex, law, arbitrary, madness, nonwestern - [[:File:ConsentExamples.png|Italian translation inside]])
File:AoCWestern.png|Age of Consent Flyer - Western examples (consent, purity, girls, minor-adult sex, law, legal, arbitrary, madness, nonwestern, western - [[:File:AoCWestern.png|Indian version inside]])
File:SecNewColor.png|Iatrogenic harm - comparison with other taboos (study, academia, secondary, trauma, harm, quote, paper, report, outcomes, csa, minor-adult sex - [[:File:SecNewColor.png|series inside]])
File:AMCleftist.jpg|Anti-MAP Crap (maps, fallacies, arguments refuted, antis, sex fascists, reply, response, minor attracted people)
File:Leftistpamphlet.png|Newgon-branded Pamphlet (from down the index) in Leftist Meme Style (maps, facts, accuracy, leaflet, propaganda, information, minor attracted people)
File:Childhood innocence.png|Childhood innocence explained (children, childhood innocence, innocence, purity, censorship, history, society, morality)

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==Logical Fallacies series==

See our [[Debate Guide: Logical fallacies and intergenerational sexuality|Debate Guide]] article on the subject.

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File:Ad Populum.png|Ad Populum - Appeal to popularity (ad pop)
File:Ad Hominem.png|Ad Hominem - Personal attack (ad hom, ok pedo, ok groomer)
File:Authority Appeal.png|Appeal to authority
File:Equivocation.png|Equivocation - misleading with terminology (e.g. rape)
File:Genetic Fallacy.png|Genetic Fallacy
File:Guilt By Association.png|Guilt by association
File:Hasty Generalization.png|Hasty Generalization
File:Novelity Appeal.png|Appeal to novelty
File:Special Pleading 2 .png|Special pleading
File:Style Over Substance.png|Style over substance (tone)
File:Strawman.png|Strawman argument (raping babies argument)
File:Ad Nauseum 2.png|Ad Nauseum
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==Positive memories==

Stories about positive memories from verified sources.

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==Anti-MAPs who were caught with their pants down==

There exist numerous examples of stridently anti-pedophile men, who themselves ended up being exposed for their [[Pedophilia|"pedophilic"]] and [[Hebephilia|"hebephilic"]] inclinations. These are sometimes used in online banter, and by [[MAP Movement|activists]].

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==Anti memes==

These memes have been produced by [[anti]]s (usually on Twitter or Facebook). You can use these memes to take advantage of hate and anger - spreading awareness of MAPs. Setting up an account as a hostile anti might actually be a way of ''avoiding'' censorship on certain platforms. It also gives us control over how the debate is "framed".

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File:Nosex.png|No sex please, we're children ([[:Image:Nosex.png|alternative versions inside]])
File:Pedoisland.png|Pedophile Island
File:Pedonorm.png|Normalizing Pedophiles
File:GaG.png|[[Gays Against Groomers]]
File:BLACKPROP1.png|Attacks the shift in language, mentions Newgon
File:BLACKPROP2.png|Mentions [[Minor Attracted Person]] euphemism and researchers
File:AMERIPROP.png|Mentions [[Minor Attracted Person]] euphemism and cultural background
File:FPSIc0qWUAA-Y60.jpg|Very smart meme using trans bodily autonomy vs freedom of youth to have sexual experiences
File:Blackprop1.jpg|The plan to legalize
File:GK0nE01aIAInvoc.jpg|More normalization
File:Paedoagends.jpg|The Paedophile agenda - accuses LGBT
File:Hebepedo.png|Hebephile/Pedophile distinction irrelevant to antis
File:FQo-G4gUcAI-kI7.jpg|OK Groomer
File:Antigroom.jpg|Antigroom Aktion
File:Gunishment.gif|'''(GIF)''' They don't deserve punishment, they deserve GUNISHMENT!
File:Ladypee.jpg|Have you never seen a LADY pee?!
File:1648647292071.jpg|And then one day, people voted for Hitler
File:1676641606100796.png|Fact checking the fact checkers
File:1659055468592612.jpg|LGBT groomers, therapist, freudian
File:Genderpop.png|Conservatives think kids are being made to suck she-dick (or something like that)
File:Cringe.png|LGBT agenda is the devil
File:Secretcodes.png|Pronouns are basically pedophilia code
File:Normaliz.jpg|Shared by Dr David Cartland on Twitter
File:Meds.png|Conspiracy, normalization, mentions Newgon
File:GMafHq5XgAAuCuE.jpg|Left trying to normalize
File:GMbv5nkXUAA41De.jpg|Progress from Gay via Trans to Pedo rights
File:Wokely.jpg|Only children can read "porn"
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==Basic material==

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File:Iliveagain.jpg|By Iliveagain ([[Pediverse|fediverse]])
File:HJ.png|By HandsomeJack
File:Bearbase.png|Basic Pedobear art (transparent surround)
Pbear.png|Brown Pedobear (transparent surround)
File:Untitled-1.png|Alternative [[Virtuous Pedophiles|Virped]] Logo ([[:File:Untitled-1.png|alternative versions]] inside)
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==Posters==

Some of the material we feature has been specifically designed to be used as posters on subway ads and similar formats.

*[[Invalid Impact Poster Campaign]]

==Pamphlets==

Our pamphlet, '''"Minor-Attracted People (MAPs), Just the facts"''', is intended to look like plain and dowdy propaganda (until you look inside). Previews and PDF available. You may have to experiment with "fitting to page width" or "scaling" to get the folds to go bang down the center, but we have done most of the work for you.

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File:Pamphletmapscale.png|Front
File:Pamphletmapscale2.png|Back
</Gallery>

'''[[Media:Pamphletmapscale.pdf|Download full PDF]]'''

===Pamphleteering===

We have a short [[Pamphleteering|guide on pamphleting]], and some of our older material is still archived there. Hopefully, this will be an inspiration for future efforts, or reworking of old material.

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See also [[list of MAP-related magazines]].

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File:Chdipsample.png|Challenging Dialogs front page (sample) - Art by [[Chuck Dodson]], PDFs: [[:Media:Chdip01.pdf|Challenging Dialogs p.1]], [[:Media:Chdip02.pdf|Challenging Dialogs p.2]], [[:Media:Chdip03.pdf|Challenging Dialogs p.3]]
</gallery>

==Media flyers==

These are small publications that can be emailed to target groups, such as media organizations, or sent to their social media accounts.

*[[Media:ContentDemo.pdf|Info Pack (2022) for media organizations]] - selling the controversy re minor-adult sex

==Notes==

[[Category:Promotional Media]]

Memes and Graphics

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This is an organized, ethnological study of [[Wikipedia:Internet meme|memes]] by, and about [[Minor Attracted Person|MAPs]] from various political and apolitical perspectives. While this archive is considered largely complete, we will [[NewgonWiki:Getting involved|consider exceptional and notable examples]] for inclusion.

In addition to the informational memes on this page, [[research]] graphics can be found at [[Index of Excerpt Gallery Libraries|this index]], or on their respective research pages.

'''Traditional memes have search tags; press control+F on your keyboard and type in a search term.'''

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Memes, graphics and artwork are presented here for discussion, deliberation and modification. We do not endorse any meme, and have tried to reflect the breadth of material on our subject - some of which may confront conservative stereotypes of the MAP Movement as a project solely of the political left. The [[Newgon|organizational]] logo may be present on material designed or not designed by its members, or members of spin-off groups, as per our [[Ethos of Newgon|ethos]]. Some memes mobilize and redeploy narratives usually deemed hostile to [[Minor Attracted Person|MAPs]], since they are designed for use in explicitly hostile venues. Material reproduced here is therefore not to be confused with [[Newgon]]'s editorial.

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==The MAP Flag==
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The concept underlying the [[MAP Flag]] was seen as early as 2009 and it resurfaced (or was spontaneously recoined) in 2018, gathering widespread social media attention after a campaign by [[NOMAP]]s on Tumblr. It has been re-imagined twice by Jim Burton - most recently as a [[:File:MU-high tower.png|horizontal gradient]].

===Originals===

These are the most commonly used MAP Flags.

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File:Mapflag2018.svg|2018 post-publicity "MAP Flag" - i.e. original Stenna "[[NOMAP]] Flag"
File:Yapf2.png|2023 [[Youth Attracted Person|YAP]] Flag - Lilitha
File:Yesmap.png|2022 "Yesmap Flag" - exclusive [[pro-c]] symbol first published here - Jim Burton
File:Mapunion.png|2023 Union MAP Flag concept combining the 2018 and 2021 variants - Jim Burton
File:Gradient.jpeg|2009 Newgon "Gradient" Flag by Philist: First known use of this, or a related concept
</Gallery>

===MAP Flag variations and memes===

The MAP Flag has already been used in numerous good-faith social media profiles of MAPs, but also by activists in campaigns that deliberately troll opponents, both in favor of, and in antagonism against MAPs.

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File:MAPflagunitedlarge.svg|2021 MAP Flag presented without anti-alias (i.e. for making an actual flag)
File:Mapmane.png|MAP Maned Lion (Bolt)
File:Revolution.jpg|Revolution, inc MAP Flag - [[Katie Cruz]]. Find this and more graphics at [https://mirror.amapin.love/ The Mirror Project].
File:Fist2.png|Similar fist with blended flag colors - Matthewyoung ([[:Image:Fist2.png|alternative version by Katie Cruz inside]])
File:23a30f4c38ac90ad.png|MAP Rights are Human Rights - kore, fediverse, artwork at bottom, Snuffies
File:Resistance.png|Resistance - Cailín Leannán (based on imagery from Irish troubles)
File:Flag.png|Raising the MAP Flag
File:Beeflag.png|Similar, modified by beefriend
File:Poik9090853.png|Union MAP Flag, effect by Poik, PCMA
File:E217c2e8993f1daf.png|Pizza Flag, Silvestery, pawoo.net
File:Mapflag160.jpg|Banksy-style MAP Flag in balloon<ref name="Uncredited" />
File:Bee.png|AAM artwork by bee, PCMA
File:Beeaam.jpg|Further AAM work by bee
File:954183092fb4458b.jpg|Fedi, unknown
File:Masoniccomunist.jpg|The '''M'''asonic '''A'''narcho-communist '''P'''edo Flag (or DDR MAP Flag by Yutlibnow)
File:Libedit.png|MAP Gadsden Flag - Beefriend
File:Anarch.png|Anarchist Gadsden MAP Flag (Ancap)
File:1000064426.png|Star with MAP-Coding (Ancap)
Image:FCncb9dWUAMBHOW.png|Pedophile Lives Matter by Strategist ([[:Image:FCncb9dWUAMBHOW.png|Conservative/Tory version inside]])
Image:MAPsBased.png|<nowiki>#MAPsAreBased</nowiki> - Strategist
1500x500.jpg|Semi-discreet header background in NOMAP orientation<ref name="Uncredited" />
File:Flagbann.png|Header bg based on flag (Rin)
File:Flower-arch-head.png|Flower Arch Header - beefriend
File:Anglomap flag2.png|AngloNOMAP Flag by Rin ([[:Image:Anglomap flag2.png|alternative AngloMAP version inside]])
File:Bg1.png|Background/desktop (maki, NNIA)
File:Bg2.png|Background/desktop<ref name="Uncredited" />
File:Flagbg2.png|Very subtle bg by beefriend
File:Untitled407 20240624163637.jpg|background - bee, PCMA
File:Flagmf.png|Graphic with jumping young people (Mythebe, FST, originally attached to an [[FreeSpeechTube|FST essay]])
File:Mapring.png|Transparent MAP Ring for PFPs ([[:Image:Mapring.png|alternative versions inside]])<ref name="Uncredited" />
File:Mappridesticker.jpg|"MAP Pride Sticker" from @SvbbyPvbby ([[:Image:Mappridesticker.jpg|alternative b&w version inside]])
File:Untitled372 20240529095904.jpg|Derivative "MAP and AAM Pride Stickers" from Bee ([[:Image:Untitled372 20240529095904.jpg|alternative 2021 Flag and AAM versions inside]])
Dumpy975815219584589834-1.gif|'''GIF:''' Among Us Twerk/Among Us Dumpy-type meme<ref name="Uncredited">If you are the creator of this file, it has not been credited because we were unable to determine your identity, or establish [https://www.yesmap.net/contact contact] (due, for example, to defederation) and determine your consent or otherwise to receiving credit. Only in extreme cases does NewgonWiki consider removal of material from this index - for example, violation of license, or extraordinary personal circumstances such as identifying information.</ref>
File:FqppVq8WIAIGlpk.jpg|MAP Flag Anime - many such examples present on [[Pediverse]]<ref name="Uncredited" />
File:Bgfbfgfg.png|Touching hand MAP Flag art<ref name="Uncredited" />
Mapflagfaded.png|Faded 2021 MAP Flag - Jim Burton
File:Lgbmap.png|Gay MAP Flag (contrary to popular claims, these have barely been adopted by MAPs)
File:Lesmap.png|[[Intergenerational Lesbianism|Lesbian MAP]] Flag (contrary to popular claims, these have barely been adopted by MAPs. Supposedly, [[Girllove|GL]] and [[Boylove|BL]] versions exist, too)
File:Kanji.png|Kanji (Chinese, Japanese) Love Symbol with [[Adult Attracted Minor|AAM]] flag colors ([[:Image:Kanji.png|alternative MAP versions inside]])<ref name="Uncredited" />
File:Mapaam.png|AAM heart inside a pro-choice MAP Flag (beefriend)
File:MAPFteacher.png|Teacher displays 2018 MAP Flag ([[:File:MAPFteacher.png|PS by beefriend, both versions available]])
File:MAPFteacher20.png|Lecturer displays 2021 MAP Flag ([[:File:MAPFteacher20.png|PS by beefriend, both versions available]])
File:Boymap.png|A small boy carries the MAP Flag (beefriend)
File:Mapkid.png|Small girl with MAP Flag (beefriend)
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==Simple/Traditional memes==

Traditional memes convey a short and salient message in a graphic. MAPs have been memed with (some would say) surprising success, and broadly throughout the internet. This is only a very narrow selection of the material that has been seen from various quarters. Our own [[research]] graphics can be found at '''[[Index of Excerpt Gallery Libraries|this index]]''', or on their respective research pages.

===The MAP Identity===

In addition to graphics and symbols in the lead section of this archive, a number of memes reference the MAP Identity, its development, public perceptions and internal issues. A [https://booru.mapsupport.de/posts MAP Support Booru] and [https://paraflags-wiki.org/index.php/Main_Page Paraphilia Flags Wiki] also lists memes and social media graphics based on MAP identities.

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File:1000003111.jpg|Reaction to MAP Identity - (visibility, gay, progress, lgbtq, pride, map flag, glb, inclusion, valid)
File:GNHB5FDXAAA-wjC.jpg|MAP Visibility - (social progress, lgbt, queer, pansexual, aam - [[:File:GNHB5FDXAAA-wjC.jpg|AAM and German variation inside]])
Il glf.jpg|MAP/YAP GLF parody - kore, fediverse - (liberation front, gay, queer, LGBT, paraphile, glf - [[:File:Il glf.jpg|Gay and Zoo versions inside]])
File:PedAreSick guy2 ar2-1 text2 v2 resized.jpg|Pedophiles Are Sick - part of the [[Invalid Impact Poster Campaign]] (map flag, provocative, mu)
File:Lucas657756.jpg|MAP/LGBT unity meme by Lucas, PCMA (gay, progress, map flag, glb, inclusion, cooperation)
File:Raw.png|Give MAP kids a chance to be kids - reversion Consuela [https://booru.mapsupport.de/post/140 mapsupport.de] (child, minor map, map flag, aam, inclusion, valid)
File:The_Revolution_Won't_Be_Televised.png|The Revolution Won't Be Televised - (progress, rallying troops, gloating, woke, pride)
File:Enbymeme.png|Pink hair enby - MAP adaptation (enby, map, valid, identity)
File:Mapally5.png|Be a MAP Ally - (Minor Attracted Person, pedo, hebephile, alliance, asexual, lgbt, gay - [[:File:Mapally5.png|presented in asexual and rainbow flag variations]])
File:Ima f4d8619.png|MAP Rights artwork, feat. older female / younger male - (map, valid, identity, youthlove, drawings, art)
File:Youthpo.png|Youth pornography etc vs statist terminology (nomap, erotica, mocking, language, youthlove, response, reply, csam, csai, troll)
File:Loliconpipeline.png|Pipeline punch lolicon edit (proship, fiction, lolicon, japanese, drawings, art, cunny, hebephilia, pipeline, pedophilia, propaganda, newgon, pediverse)
File:Pridemonth.png|Google LGBT vs MAP Pride Month Trolling Response (google maps, parody, logo)
File:Mapally.jpg|Insufferable MAP Ally (destigmatizer, nomap, coping, map, virped, talking therapy, non-maladaptive)
File:FHOv8J3XoBIfSQt.jpg|Pedo Yes Chad - "Yes". (based, chads, pedophilia, lolis, cunny, lolipiller, drawings, art, lolicon, cope, seethe, hebephilia)
File:FU0ZTx4XwAAcfGr.jpg|Say what you want about pedophiles (trolling, minor attraction, map, comedy, humor, perv)
File:Glowig.png|Pedo Yes Chad vs Fediverse Glowie (based, chads, pedophilia, fbi, cia, glow, pedi, fedi)
File:Maprigh5.png|MAP Rights AI Anime Protest - (Minor Attracted Person, pedo, hebephile, youth rights, maps, anime, art - [[:File:Maprigh5.png|many versions available]])
</gallery>

===Youth Autonomy/Rights/Liberation===

The autonomy, [[Research: Cognitive ability|capacities]] and liberation of youth are all likely to be crucial battlegrounds for MAPs, [[Adult Attracted Minor|AAMs]] and their allies over the next few decades. Another way of describing this, is fighting [[ageism]]. Anti-ageist memes are dotted around our categories, and the following are explicitly anti-ageist.

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File:Screenshot 2025-04-04-20-44-33-777.jpeg|UNAIDS: Age of Consent unhealthy and restrictive for young people (youth, sexual health, sti, consent, autonomy, rights)
File:FUbrBs9VsAA9vta.jpeg|Parents: I know you more than anyone else > No, you don't (youth, child, parent, autonomy, rights)
File:rapememe.png|How to prevent rape - Sayaka Fermi (hypocrisy, body autonomy, minor-adult sex, agency, irrational, coercion, awareness, education, youth, choice, prevention)
File:Scrolloftruth.png|Scroll of truth: Youth autonomy prevents abuse (hypocrisy, body autonomy, agency, irrational, choice, protection, education, youth, prevention)
File:Domino.png|Domino effect - Investigating MAPs to supporting YouthLib (liberation, youth rights, logic, sequential, cause and effect)
</gallery>

===CSA Absurdism and Professional Hypocrisy===

A large number of MAP and MAP-Adjacent memes expose and magnify the absurdism of narratives around [[safeguarding]], abuse, trauma and child protection. In some cases, the hypocritical beliefs of professionals and "experts" are given special treatment.

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File:Childinnocence.png|Childhood innocence has existed for around 2% of time (history, safeguarding, ethnology, protection)
File:believe.jpg|Believe the Children (consent, abuse, trauma, testimony, trust, children, courtroom, legal, doctor, hypocrisy, medicine - [[:File:believe.jpg|alternative inside re. conversion therapy]])
File:Psychs.png|Child psychologists cat reaction to minors (minor-minor sex, science, rso, registry reform, pseudoscience, victomology)
File:Pcaldihufjbidcfjb.png|No sex unless accompanied by adults - Peter Caldwell, PCMA (consent, child sex, park sign, rules, safeguarding, age-appropriate)
File:BBoobs.jpg|Babies vs Teens Sucking Boobs (consent, hypocrisy, babies, age, teens, perversion, professor, inappropriate)
File:Main-qimg-12579087b355f31646ea5b1f506cf832-lq.jpg|I, too have lost a kingdom (sex offender, rso, kiddy fiddler, atlantis, athenian, surreal, hysteria, bizarre, molester)
File:denial.jpg|Child protectors believe children are in denial (minor-adult sex, testimony, rationalization, distortion, minors, ignorant, fallacy, mental blocking)
Fhritp.png|A 15 year old is a child, period (mic drop, jamal, teen, menstruation, child, triggered, antis, sjw, feminist, npc, based, comeback, reply, response)
File:Confused2.png|Confused if he should be scarred for life (age, arbitrary, teen, minor-adult sex, trauma, damage, scarred, absurd, crazy)
File:At85scarred.png|85 year old man learns he was abused ([https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35232293/ implausible] reaction) (age, arbitrary, teen, minor-adult sex, elderly, trauma, damage, scarred, absurd, crazy)
File:FJy-YI XIAEWo2U.png|Juvenile offending records vs sex offender records (facepalm, normies, register, registry, rso, law, legal, insane, madness, arbitrary, minors, youth, kids)
File:TouchingGood.png|Good Touches (teacher, education, instruction, learning, quote, swimsuit, protection, sexual harassment, abuse, trauma)
File:Whenispacceptable.png|When is pedophilia acceptable political compass (reply, response, politics, map, pedo, libertarian, authoritarian, left, right)
File:Misopedic.png|Misopedic ageists (antis, chad, swim, children, ageism, moronic, surrealist, girl, cute)
File:randomphotonew.png|Random photo reaction (hysteria, funny, sex fascists, western, crazy, nonwestern, fellatio, suck, abuse, overreaction)
File:WaterGlassSF.png|Glass of Water with optimist, pessimist and Sex Fascists (hysteria, sex fascists, western, indian, nonwestern, abuse, cultural, overreaction - [[:File:WaterGlassSF.png|version with various countries inside]])
File:Unboy.png|United Nations vs Teen Boy (agency, consent, autonomy, international community, bureaucracy, ngo, unicef, ILGA, hypocrisy, feminism, leftism, lizard people, feminazis)
File:18th Birthday Clock hit 12.jpg|Arbitrary nature of age limit (hypocrisy, child, adult, teen, consent, autonomy, americans, agency, age, 18, absurd)
File:SexualOritent.jpg|'Child' is not a Gender (identitarian, sexuality, orientation, identity, validity, sjw, woke, adult, adultism, gender, pedophilia)
File:MAPSchool.png|Public Schools (map, prevalence, pedophilia, hebephilia, response, reply, naive, parents, grooming, access, protection, education - combine with [[Research: Prevalence|prevalence]] info)
File:horse.png|Covering genitals to prevent trauma to baby horses (nudity, bullshit, hysterical, children, graphic, protection, morality, americans, scarred, mental)
File:Childmeme.png|Responding to in-thread misdefinition of child (definition, accuracy, reply, response, children, dumb, hysterical, ageism, dictionary, teens)
File:Brain Development Is Ableist (2).png|Brain Development is Ableist (cognitive capacity and development, mental, minor-adult sex, ability, disabled, ageist, ageism, chauvinism)
File:FJARn kWQAElHfn.jpg|Brain scan - trauma absurdity (consent, minor-adult sex, age, harm, law, arbitrary, absurd, science, pseudoscience, americans, cognitive, westerners)
File:Expressfake.png|Fake Express article (blame, minor-adult sex, age, harm, economy, absurd)
</gallery>

===Responding to [[Anti]]s (and their hypocrisy)===

Some responses to anti-MAP sympathies are also included under "redeploying hostile discourses" and the sections on conservatives, liberals and CSA Absurdism.

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File:Sheepl.png|MAP Propaganda vs the Informed Citizen (pedo, map flag, social media, consumption, anti, dissonance, hypocrisy)
File:Sexbingo.png|Sex Fascist Bingo: (hypocrisy, religion, consent, cognitive development/capacity, mental, pedophiles, orientation, distortion, fallacy, fallacies, antis, response)
File:Fuckyou.png|Minor attraction is wrong/Fuck you (antis, parents, reply, response, comeback)
File:217 - anti-map flag artist chizu type edit.png|Burning the anti-MAP Flag (antis, haters, reply, response, comeback)
File:Qplamz.png|Antis and parents vs MAPs, Minors collateral (antis, parents, reply, response, comeback, law, secondary harm, crossfire)
File:Woodchippagobrrrrr.jpg|Anti wojak, annotated (antis, trolling, insult, woodchipper, face wall, moronic, dumb, reply, response)
File:Minorcard.png|Minor card, with privileges (underage, puriteen, reply, response, juvenile, twitter, debate, argument, opinion discarded)
File:DontloveCLs.png|Love children but don't love CLs (pedophile, response, reply, comeback, parents)
File:FQU5DnXWYAQkKTI.jpg|Yes Chad baseball bat anti-meme response (gore/blood, violence, consent, attack, validity, reply, response, based, pedo)
File:Yeschadconsenting.png|Islam Yes Chad baseball bat anti-meme consent response (gore/blood, violence, consent, attack, allahu akbar, reply, response, based, pedo)
File:Hateyourself.png|"You should hate yourself" NPC (MAP Flag, cope, seethe, pedo, hebephilia, self concept, ego - [[:File:Hateyourself.png|Chinese translation]] inside)
File:Bluherinnerbattlefield.png|Reaction formation in antis (antis, haters, quote, response, reply, zoophile, self loathing, reaction, projection, denial, psychological)
File:Fbi.jpg|FBI anti-meme response (fed, feelings, offended, hurt, feelz, feds, police report, reply, response, haters, law enforcement, alphabet agencies)
File:Sfascist.gif|'''(GIF)''' Sex fascist clairvoyant "nonce" comeback (paranormal, spirit, reader, fortune, mystic, antis, reply, response, haters, nonce, pedophile, paedo)
File:Orcgif.gif|'''(GIF)''' VAR decision "nonce" comeback (football, soccer, orc, decision, antis, reply, response, haters, nonce, pedophile, paedo)
File:Sponge.png|Stigma on pedophiles ok, no stigma on child wage slavery ok (antis, haters, taboo, stigmas, pedophile, map, spongebob, rights, child labor, consumer, hypocrisy)
File:FPGlITUWYAkbGCV.jpg|Call him a pedo (sheeple, normies, conservatives, ad hominem, defamation, debate, response, reply, facts, social media, twitter logic)
File:964aed6d03b0e59a.png|Everything I don't like is pedophilia (for dummies, pedo hating, ad hominem, debate, response, reply, social media, emotional, twitter logic)
File:269.jpg|Hypocrisy on child protection vs exploitation (sheeple, normies, reply, response, hypocrisy, conformity)
File:FHoD725WYAE3DSC.jpg|The real intentions of "seek therapy" (antis, haters, pedophile, map, mental health, services, rights, get help, mhp, ableism, illness, validity, nomap, virped, pedmed, hypocrisy)
File:Therapy.png|Telling a MAP to seek therapy (antis, haters, pedophile, map, mental health, services, rights, get help, mhp, b4uact, degenerate, nomap, virped, pedmed)
File:FGyKNkMXoAI7qbi.jpg|Polarizing topic (born this way, native, immutable, pedophilia, map, hypocrisy, sjws, normies, social justice, woke, lgbt, gay)
File:Orcbrain.jpeg|Pedo hater: Orc (response, reply, antis, red flag, woodchipper, nazi, fascist, groomer, caveman, hansen, monster, zombie, neanderthal, moron)
File:Antis.jpg|Antis creating their own monsters (antis, haters, nomap, pedophile, map, virped, pedmed, hypocrisy)
File:CSAexpert.png|CSA doesn't make you CSA expert (doctor, survivor, expert, arbitrary, science, minor-adult sex, abuse, trauma, fallacy, debate, reply, response)
File:Chudj2.png|Soylita/wholesome soyjak couple (antis, haters, consent, her body, her choice, lolita, seethe, wojak)
File:Pedisevil.jpg|Source: Pedophilia is evil (online debate, fallacy, response, reply, chad, facts, social media, twitter logic)
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====Responding to Western Hypocrisy====

Criticism of overbearing and sometimes absurd anglo-american moral and legal norms has been a mainstay of MAP memes.

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File:Main-qimg.jpg|Stigma against currently lawful age-gap relationships. (hypocrisy, cultural, western, jealousy, female regret, age apartheid)
File:TechGiants.png|Tech Giants' Media Manipulation re. Child protection (hypocrisy, csa, ngos, trafficking, cultural, western, nonwestern, india, minor-adult sex, journalism, distortion, bias, standpoint)
File:Random.jpg|Western Arrogance with AoC (western, nonwestern, consent, elites, government, age, laws, sex)
File:FJzBuknXEAMnGhh.png|Elites laugh at Sex Offender Registry (elites, politicians, register, registry, rso, law, legal, insane, madness)
File:Doctor.jpg|Playing doctor shouldn't get you put on the registry (register, american, western, registry, rso, law, legal, insane, minors, kids, boy, madness)
File:Beachmeme.png|Volleyball girls - most men would find attractive (hypocrisy, child, adult, teen, consent, americans, age, 18, absurd)
File:FHzQh3LagAAQ9H7.png|Most people's idea of pedophilia (hypocrisy, cuck, child, teen, adult, consent, autonomy, americans, agency, age, 18, pedophile, simping, white knight)
File:Hebetruth.jpg|Most Men are Hebephilic/Ephebophilic, they just can't admit it (hypocrisy, circlejerk, cuck, child, teen, adult, consent, americans, age, 18, pedophile, simping, white knight)
File:Westerners17.png|How Westerners think biology works (western, nonwestern, hypocrisy, child, adult, teen, arousal, attraction, americans, age, 18, absurd)
File:Zombie.png|American/Western standards on children and nudity (innocence, media, tv, movies, children, america, indecent, nipple)
File:Usapedo.jpg|In America, everybody calls each other a pedo (ok pedo, antis, reply, response, defamation, america moment)
File:Changemymind.jpg|SOR a waste of money - response to "change my mind" (ok pedo, registry reform, reply, response, offending, offender)
File:ualization.png|Sexualization with Hijab and Bikini (nudity, children, protection, americans, western, hysteria, psychotic, neurosis, clothing, make-up, hypocrisy, grooming)
File:AnimeBan.png|Anime Ban proposal showing arrogance of the West (anime, lolicon, proship, drawings, art, americans, western, nonwestern, hysteria, hypocrisy, imperialism)
File:Untitled439.png|Dignitaries sit back and enjoy a display by lolis (hypocrisy, pedo, minor attraction, politician, duda, polish, ballet, artistic, dance, trolling)
File:What is statutory rape.png|What is statutory rape?
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===Responding to Conservatives (and their hypocrisy)===

Conservative hostility to MAPs has been a feature of many historical cultures, but formed as a visible movement in the 1970s, with campaigns from [[Moral panic|Anita Bryant]], [[Wikipedia:Mary Whitehouse|Mary Whitehouse]], [[Lloyd Martin]] and [[Judianne Densen-Gerber]] among others. The [https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/chud "Chud"] wojak (''Chudjak'') is a mainstay of conservative depictions in present-day meming, and has sometimes been used to ridicule conservative [[anti]]-MAPs.

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File:GpzrE4dWIAIxUTn.jpg|LGB without the TQ+ (gay assimilationist, no pedo, gays against groomers, trans, TERF, homo, queer, degenerate)
File:GpzkprCawAAy J2.jpg|LGB without the TQ+ (gay assimilationist, no pedo, gays against groomers, trans, TERF, homo, queer, degenerate)
File:5F9BCB5A-61FC-4C61-987D-FE2EE37B9FE2.jpeg|Rome at its peak (trolling, chud, chad, antis, trad, history, humor, ridicule)
Chudbehavior.png|Chud behavior (trolling, pedo hunters, antis, kill all pedos, humor, ridicule, woodchipper)
File:8813244113c26fe2.png|Passing down hate via adjacency anxiety - Arden, MAPSupport (maga, gay, LGBT, degenerate, trans, map, pedo, groomer)
File:Norfc.png|Norf FC nonce series (refers to British working class culture) (chud, hunter, paedo, football, soccer, fan - [[:File:Norfc.png|series inside]])
File:Catboy.jpg|Chudjak therapy (trolling, chud, freudian, antis, kill all pedos, humor, catboy, tiktok, ridicule, woodchipper)
File:Yessss.png|"Yes" to chud with infertile wife. (based, chads, pedophilia, lolis, cunny, lolipiller, cope, seethe, copium, hebephilia)
File:Groomer86.jpg|Grooming...according to who? (hypocrisy, groomer, conservatives, trans, bodily autonomy, choice, lgbt)
File:Slut2.png|Sex Fascists through the ages (hypocrisy, gay, lgbt, history, historical, slut shaming, female, modesty, prudery)
File:Averagepedophobe.jpg|Pedo chad vs Pedophobe conspiracy theorist (cunny, trolling, map, pedo, hebephile, lolis, jew, dads against predators, guns)
File:378.jpg|/pol/ hypocrisy on drawn child erotica (normies, conservatives, woodchipper, reply, response, hypocrisy, lolicon, fiction, proship, lolbertarian, redpill, bluepill, censorship, canceled)
File:FQUw6PLXoA48YBF.jpg|Conservatives are for free speech, but not for MAPs (sheeple, normies, conservatives, woodchipper, reply, response, hypocrisy, liberals, libertarian, lolbertarian, red blue pill, censorship, canceled)
File:matthew.png|St Nicholas/Matthew Christian trigger meme (reply, response, gay, boys, maps, trigger, bait, troll, santa claus, christmas, christian, religion)
File:Bible_verses.jpg|Pedophobic Christians didn't read the Bible (christianity, religion, conservatives, table, reply, response, hypocrisy, red pill, lies, red blue pill)
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====Progress and Normalization====

A common claim of conservative [[anti]]-MAPs is that we are seeing a covert agenda of "pedophile [[MAPocalypse|normalization"]]. While this optimistic outlook does not match the lived experience of most MAPs, we have seen memes and graphics that play with the idea by situating MAPs within the broader liberal paradigm of "social progress", or unapologetically attempt to normalize attraction to minors.

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File:4976b11a-3981-47d1-8a95-575a24866eed.png|Progress don't make me tap the sign variation (gay, homosexual, LGBT, slavery, mental illness)
File:Magicisl.png|Magic Island (clinton, maxwell, epstein, lolita, podesta, pizzagate)
File:747.jpg|Slippery slope extended (gay, lgbtq, sjw, woke, based, progressive, homo, incrementalism, maga, groomer, boomer, response, reply)
File:075.jpg|We'll never let you... (gay, lgbtq, sjw, woke, based, progressive, homo, incrementalism, women, civil, maga, groomer, boomer, response, reply)
File:Alok.jpg|Alok Vaid-Menon Quote: "little girls are also kinky" (girls, innocence, kink, trigger, bait, conservatives, americans, queer, children, trans, straight, purity, modesty, innocent, pure)
File:Progress.png|That's how progress works (trolling, surreal, humor, ridicule, progressive)
File:Ourcrazyworld.jpg|Our Crazy World (cartoon, map, progress, gay, civil rights, humor, mapocalypse, normalization)
File:Cantorincludep.png|James Cantor - Add P to alphabet (sexuality, pedophilia, include the p, minor attraction, lgbt, gay, queer, maps, identitarian, researcher, quote, trigger/bait)
File:FHeCpC5XIAkE9Xx.jpg|Offensively realistic take on an age-gap relationship (girl, teen, maps, minor-adult sex, age gap, love, taboo, bait, troll)
File:Ipceconf.png|[[Ipce]] power point presentation, girl at podium (hebephilia, pedo, minor attraction, science, trolling)
File:Lolihebe.jpg|Hebe lolis w/ table showing response levels (graph, table, study, sexual arousal, troll, bait, attraction, age, pedophilia, hebephilia, girls, plethysmograph - this is adapted from the notorious [[:File:Halletal.jpg|fake Russian infomeme]])
File:Groomer.png|Grooming a girl with better-known MAP infomemes (groomer, troll, bait, children, ok groomer, abuser, kinsey, study, indoctrination - this meme refers to a [[:File:Adultadult2.png|Kinsey data meme]], and there is also an [[:File:Groomer.png|alt version referring to the adjacent russian meme]])
File:FXtPN01aQAEPj6C.jpg|Response to attractive girl, in denial (hypocrisy, pedo, minor attraction, trolling)
File:Ilovelolis.png|I love Lolis Chad (cunny, trolling, map, pedo, hebephile)
File:Shareifyoulovekids.jpg|Share if you love kids (trolling, minor attraction, map, aam)
File:Imagecp.png|Enjoy CP (cola, american, cunny, lolis, trolling, map, pedo, hebephile)
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===Responding to Liberals/Leftists (and their hypocrisy)===

Liberal and Leftist points of view are varied on the topic of MAPs, but tend to range from mild disapproval, thru denial, to silenced embarrassment in the face of hearty conservative uproar. Often, MAPs (who have benefitted from collaboration with gay leftist movements in the past) are left by would-be allies to a fate determined solely by political optics. Thus, liberal and leftist discourses on MAPs sometimes refer to the questionable concept of social ''(in)validity'', something the LGBT section also addresses.

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File:Conversiontherapy.png|LGBT vs MAP conversion therapy - liberal [[pro-recovery]] response (pedophile, response, reply, comeback, map, lib, medical, hypocrisy, coping, mentally ill, therapy, get help, gay, lgbt)
File:Abortionrape.png|Abortion vs Rape - Liberal Hypocrisy (abortion, religion, conservative, liberal, consent, ageism, youth, rights, adult)
File:FPXhdRSX0AEVeQ2.jpg|Anarchist Chads on Pedophilia in Queer Theory (normie, npc, conservatives, anarchism, queer, pedophilia, theory, dumb, homophobia, bigot)
File:Femgirl.png|Fembot vs Teen Girl (agency, consent, autonomy, services, protection, child, teen, shock, disgust, hypocrisy, feminism, leftism, radfem, feminazi)
File:Ussraoc.png|Inconvenient USSR Age of Consent (trolling, russia, anarchist, anarcho communist, communism, commie, marxist)
File:Soyjakparty.png|From soyjak.party (liberal, leftist, lgbt, coom, soy, gay, progress, pride, MAPs, mapphobia)
File:Wikipedos.png|Wikipedia has a suite of articles on Raytheon, but deletes an article on CSA prevention, then burns the redirect (wikipedia, censor, hypocrisy, MAP, wojak, jimbo)
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====Responding to the LGBT Lobby (and its hypocrisy)====

[[Validity Policing]] and hypocrisy from the LGBT Lobby is a common experience of online MAPs. This follows expedient political maneuvres in the 1980s and 90s, in which the LGBT Lobby [[Historical examples of LGBT-MAP unity|responded to conservative anti-MAP scare campaigns]] by distancing MAPs. See also, some of the responses to Liberals.

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File:Lgbgender.png|LGBT Community can't move beyond trans issues on youth autonomy (lgbt, gay, trans, nonbinary, groomer, lgbtq, gender, youth, autonomy)
File:Gays-phobes.png|Gay hypocrisy re whataboutism over argument from nature/history (hypocrisy, gay, lgbt, irrational, slavery, barbaric, anger, nature, animals, historical, anthropological, homophobes, greece, pederasty)
File:Valpol.png|The Validity Police (lgbt, gay, pride, hypocrisy, policing, lgbtq, age appropriate, development - [[:File:Valpol.png|alternative versions inc. Transage inside]])
File:Antibadguy.png|Anti Bad Guy Squad (hypocrisy, gay, lgbtq, sjw, woke, invalid, validity, homo - ([[:File:Antibadguy.png|no-color version inside]]))
File:Mapgymnastics.png|MAP vs LGBT Mental Gymnastics (reply, response, rationalization, logic, fallacy, npc, gay, queer, sjw, argument, pedophile, minor-attracted)
File:Sheep copy.png|People whose definition of "Queer" is "anything acceptable" (reply, response, bait, queer, sjw, npc, woke, identitarian, identity, midwits, pedophilia, maps, gay rights, lgbt, normies - ([[:File:Sheep copy.png|series inside]]))
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===Responding to [[Lolicon]]s (and their hypocrisy)===

While some find it tiring, a [[Lolicon-MAP Equivalence Debate]] is ongoing throughout civilian political circles on social media. The following memes typify the MAP response to Western Lolicons who mobilize [[Proship|shipping]] discourse to deny they are attracted to youth.

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File:7deadbc2-3c7d-42b7-9f55-e0fa8e71b7e5.png|Age old and demented lolicon soothed by carer (lolicons, ironic, proship, fiction, porn, drawings, art, pedophilia, hebephilia, denial)
File:LoliMeme.jpg|Pointing to the hypocrisy of Lolicons (proship, fiction, child porn, lolicon, japanese, drawings, art, hypocrisy, pedophilia, cope, hebephilia - [[:File:LoliMeme.jpg|alternative inside re. plethysmograph test]])
File:FHQcxJbUUAADrQH.jpg|Bell curve on lolicon (proship, fiction, child porn, lolicon, japanese, npc, normie, midwit, drawings, art, cope, cognitive development, ability, capacity, brain, IQ, age, pedophilia, hebephilia - [[:File:FHQcxJbUUAADrQH.jpg|alternative versions]], inc re. mental capacity and elite pedophilia inside)
File:Fqk0qqmXgAgRp4j.jpg|Caricature of ironic lolicons (proship, fandom, fictosexual, fiction, child porn, lolicon, japanese, drawings, art, hypocrisy, pedophilia, trannies, trans, troon)
File:Cunnycave.png|Cunny cave (lolicons, ironic, proship, fiction, porn, drawings, art, pedophilia, hebephilia, denial)
File:117 - artist chicken thoughts artist chizu bird cracker ironic lolicon type comic edit.png|Chizu Lolicon "bird cracker edit" (lolicons, ironic, proship, fiction, porn, drawings, art, japanese, antis, pedophilia, hebephilia, denial)
File:FJffEqJXMAA2mnj.jpg|Pedos vs Lolicons (proship, fiction, child porn, lolicon, japanese, doctor, drawings, art, chad, cope, hypocrisy, pedophilia, hebephilia)
File:549iugbjkn34908r54.png|Algorithmic programmed response in lolicon and normie npc (proship, fiction, child porn, lolicon, japanese, drawings, art, cope, hypocrisy, ironics, pedophilia, hebephilia)
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===Redeploying hostile discourses===

A considerable part of online MAP discourse centers on the redeployment of predominant elitist, authoritarian and extremist narratives sometimes used to attack MAPs. While this has led to the embarrassment and triggering of [[anti]]s on social media, it is worth noting that some members of the community are ethically opposed to the idea of adopting problematic ideas inconsistent with personal, theoretical conceptions of social justice. These concerns have also been voiced in situations where MAPs enter "enemy territory" and unironically imitate disruptive/contrarian members of another group, such as [[Wikipedia:Groypers|4Chan Groypers]].

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File:Anti.png|Purposeful and smart Pedophiles vs Antis (pedos, pedophiles, maps, history, based, antis, haters, sex fascists, troll, bait)
File:Pedonoblememe.jpg|Pedophile/NOMAP of noble grace (reply, response, pedmed, virped, acnomap, virtuous, minor-attracted, map, virtue, antis, moron, idiot, cuck, asshole)
File:FgX2SHUUAAAL3Ij.jpg|Historical "pedophiles" (using broader popular definition) (pedos, pedophiles, maps, history, famous, wilde, response, troll, bait)
File:Uspepe.png|Pepe Wikipedia meme intended for use on 4Chan - Feminism and [[Age of Consent]] reformism (groyper, redpill, 4chan, puritan, reformism, frog)
File:Patriot4.png|Response meme re. PatriotWave's famous Kill Your Local Pedophile memes and bumper stickers etc - (guns, police, agecuck, conservative, reply, violent, vigilante, trolling, militia - [[:File:Patriot4.png|a few more variations inside]])
File:Sexfash.jpg|Cure for sex fascism (ok pedo, antis, fascist, reply, response, bullet, gun)
File:Pedopho.jpg|Cure for sex pedophobia (ok pedo, antis, reply, response, bullet, gun)
File:MAGANazi.jpg|Modern American vs Original German (groomer, MAGA, Nazi, reply, response, cartoon, comparison)
File:knowyourantiped.jpg|Know your anti-pedophile types (pedophobes, chart, reply, response)
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===When MAPs met StoneToss===

Much has been [https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/StoneToss written] (and [https://web.archive.org/web/20210729193213/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Stonetoss unwritten]) about the controversial online political cartoonist, StoneToss. While our [[:File:Circumcision-surgery-stonetoss-comic.png|series file]] keeps track of various originals and knock-offs (originality can be [https://stonetoss.com/ verified] at the comic's site), a few examples follow. It should be noted that some members of the community found the very idea of copying StoneToss as a style problematic and offensive, due to the views of its creator.

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File:Cunneh.png|Fake Stonetoss - Legalize cunny (libertarian, marijuana, hemp, hashish, cannabis, 420, child porn, cunny, loli, erotica, internet)
File:FX n5peVUAENkB3.png|Stonetoss.com debuts the [[MAP Flag]] and [[Pedophobia|Pedovan]] (lgbt, gay, pride, degeneracy, groomer, lgbtq activism, predator, free candy)
File:Circumcision-surgery-stonetoss-comic.png|Stonetoss.com - Series file, LGBT responses, etc (lgbt, gay, pride, hypocrisy, sjw, cognitive capacity, brain development, di caprio, child porn, consent, lgbtq activism, age appropriate - [[:File:Circumcision-surgery-stonetoss-comic.png|more such comics inside]])
File:170 - artist chizu artist stonetoss format stonetoss edit.png|Stonetoss: Chizu ''Lolicons are Pedophiles'' edit (lolicons, ironic, proship, fiction, porn, drawings, art, japanese, antis, pedophilia, hebephilia, denial)
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===Quotes and Miscellany===

The below memes can be applied to the debates covered on this page, and many more besides.

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File:Hwwouldyoulike.jpg|How would you like your state surveillance wrapped? (sheeple, normies, conservatives, liberals, online, reply, response, hypocrisy, lolbertarian, censorship, canceled)
File:1756905544839.png|I love kids vs gender (normie, chad, trad, male, female, discourse, contradiction, hypocrisy)
File:Trojan_horse.jpg|CSA trojan to breach encryption laws (data protection law, technology, surveillance, ignorance, governments, cynical, hidden, conspiracy, horse, internet, protect)
File:Cancel Culture.png|Cancel culture: Then vs now (sheeple, normies, conservatives, history, 1950s, liberals, red blue pill, censorship, canceled)
File:Censorshipmartin.png|George R. R. Martin: What Censorship tells us (quote, canceled, red blue pill, censor, liberal, conservative, politics, media, free speech, freedom)
File:It is easier to fool people.jpg|[[Mark Twain]]: It's easier to fool people... (sheeple, normies, quote, denial, psychological, mechanism, mental, conformity, debate, social media, facts and feelings)
File:Prostitution- giving orgasms shouldn't be a crime.jpg|George Carlin - on Prostitution (selling sex, quote, morality, rational, sex work, prude, conservative, debate, bias, sheeple, normies)
File:Better Science.jpg|What does refute science? (research, facts, science, social media, debate, bias, sheeple, religion, feelings, normies)
File:Trust the Scientists.jpg|Trust scientists rather than randoms (warning, research, facts, science, social media, twittards, debate, bias, sheeple, normies)
File:Science vs Social Media.jpg|Real science vs Social Media "science" (warning, research, facts, distorted, media, education, debate, bias, sheeple, normies)
File:Conformity.png|Conformity hazard (warning, research, facts, debate, feelings, sheeple, normies)
File:204 - tagme.png|Effects of ad hom argument strategy (debate, personal, logic, unintended, minority, sheeple, normies)
File:283 - tagme.jpg|Sampling bias, effect on outcomes (statistics, rational, facts, science, logic, npc, sheeple, normies)
File:FUv8RZDWIAcd6wt.jpg|Reasonable people in the minority (warning, rational, facts, debate, bias, social media, feelings, sheeple, normies)
File:FcxaCdKX0AEhopp.jpg||Drew Keys Quote: Smear Campaigns (mental instability, sjw attack, social media, debate, reply, twittard, response)
File:Baseddep.jpg|Based department calling! (based, kek, pepe, compliment, reply, response)
File:Agecuck soyjak meme.png|Things that people opposed to adult-teen sexuality say.
File:Agecuck_bingo_meme.png|A bingo card containing phrases used by people opposed to adult-teen sexuality.
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==Informational memes==

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File:MapsAreDeviant guy1 ar5-2-QR-Code text3 v2 resized.jpg|MAPs Are Deviant - part of the [[Invalid Impact Poster Campaign]] (map flag, provocative, mu)
File:Orig.png|MAP Flag Explainer without anti-c disinfo (minor attracted, flag, explainer, guide, info)
File:Minorsbeware.png|Minors Beware (red flags): (antis, warning, minors, consent, advice, youth, guide)
File:22 - anti-map flag artist drugar educational sources.png|Drugar literacy campaign for antis (minor-adult sex, academia, reading, knowledge, trolling, research, literature, study, facts)
File:Pandfeminism.png|Pedophilia and Feminism (first wave, second wave, third wave, womens, youth rights, judith butler)
File:The Truth About 'CP'(5).png|What you need to know about [[Child Pornography]] (kp, cp, kiddy, porn, porno, erotica, photographs, crime, csam, kinderporno, csai, lolita - [[:File:The Truth About 'CP'(5).png|Chinese translation inside]])
File:Kaaaren.png|Karen confronts CP (kp, cp, kiddy, porn, porno, erotica, photographs, crime, csam, kinderporno, csai, lolita, pornography, research, quotes - [[:File:Kaaaren.png|Italian translation inside]])
File:Ncmec.png|NCMEC [[Iatrogenesis]] (kp, cp, kiddy, porn, porno, erotica, photographs, crime, csam, kinderporno, csai, lolita, pornography, research, secondary harm, quotes)
File:Scapegoat.png|MAP Scapegoat - compared with Jews, Witches (gays, lgbt, blacks, jew, pedophilia, minor attraction, stereotyping, maps, status, persecution, bogeyman, pariah, witchhunt - [[:File:Scapegoat.png|series inside]])
File:Truthaboutm.jpg|Truth about MAPs (addresses myths) (sexuality, pedophilia, hebephilia, ephebophilia, nepiophilia, maps, accuracy, nomap, pedmed, virped, acnomap, facts, stigma, destigmatization [[:File:Truthaboutm.jpg|Chinese translation in file]])
File:MDEdge.png|MDEdge definition of minor-attraction (sexuality, pedophilia, hebephilia, ephebophilia, nepiophilia, maps, definition, accuracy, nomap, pedmed, virped, acnomap, stigma, destigmatization)
File:Chronorange.png|Seto definition of minor-attractions and chronophilias (sexuality, pedophilia, hebephilia, ephebophilia, nepiophilia, maps, definition, accuracy, nomap, pedmed, virped, acnomap, stigma, destigmatization)
File:Peddef.png|Simple response to misdefinition of p(a)edophilia (sexuality, hebephilia, pedophilia, minor attraction, definition, dictionary, psychology, accuracy)
File:The CSA-Industry.png|CSA Industrial Complex: Criminalization (Social-Economic Model) (sociology, politics, institutions, establishment, elites, money, profit, complex, relationship, chart, medicine, influence, organization)
File:The CSA-Industrial Complex.png|CSA Industrial Cycle (Social-Economic Model) (sociology, politics, institutions, elites, money, profit, establishment, complex, relationship, chart, diagram, influence, organization)
File:CSA Is Similar(1).png|CSA similarities to treatment of Homosexuals (gay history, treatments, conversion, survivors, therapy, apa, psychology, therapist)
File:Socio.png|Sociopolitical Model: Marginialization of Sexual Minorities (maps, sociology, politics, pariah, newgon, othering, bipartisan, ostracism, social, class)
File:Pseudo-e-t.png|Pseudoexclusive Teleiophilia (a new concept) (sexuality, hebephilia, pedophilia, minor attraction, seto, freund, newgon, science, psychology, trigger/bait)
File:The Myth of “Pedophilia OCD” (800 × 1000 px).png|"[[Pedophilia themed OCD]]" Debunk (sexuality, pocd, hebephilia, pedophilia, minor attraction, fake illness, shrinks, obsessive compulsive, mental, health, newgon, arousal, science, psychology, cope)
File:Primary.png|Most Child Rape is perpetrated by non-pedophiles (sexuality, pedophilia, assault, minor attraction, maps, crime, nomap, pedmed, virped, acnomap, stigma, destigmatization)
File:ACMAPWEAKNES.png|Weaknesses of an exclusive ACNOMAP/Medicalist agenda (pedmed, virpeds, pedophilia, minor attraction, maps, strategy, destigmatization)
File:Prevalence.jpg|Pedophilia [[Research: Prevalence|prevalence]] card, no link (sexuality, pedophilia, common, research, maps, minor-attraction, facts, stats, statistics, numbers)
File:Tac.png|Toxic Age Chauvinism (ageism, ableism, youth lib, youth rights, cognitive ability, research, quote, mental, teen brain)
File:Secoharm.png|Secondary Harm explainer (study, academia, secondary, trauma, harm, quote, paper, report, outcomes, csa, minor-adult sex - [[:File:SecNewColor.png|see full series]])
File:patterns45.png|Similar patterns between homosexuality and pedophilia (parrelel, similar, comparison, analogy, minor attraction, gay, queer, lgbt, western, nonwestern, animals, tribal, anthropological, cultural)
File:Pedodisorder2.png|Lecter: Pedophilic Disorder distinction ("inborn" is disputable, and the author has since evolved a less medicalist stance but the distinction is important) (sexuality, pedmed, virped, acnomap, pedophilia, minor attraction, native, science, psychology, innate, immutable, disorder, dsm)
File:Prevent.png|Prevent MAPs from accessing minors? Why not prevent physical abuse survivors while we are at it? (sexuality, neglect, hebephilia, risk, access, pedophilia, minor attraction, seto, freund, science, psychology)
B4u-mapflag.jpg|Suicide Stats (MAPs) (sexuality, pedophilia, minor attraction, death, pedmed, virped, nomap, acnomap, depression, despair, psychology, research, B4U-Act, standpoint - [[:File:B4CnEdit.png|Chinese translation]])
File:Thoughtsuppresion.png|Thought Suppression take (MAP Resources) (psychology, pedophilia, minor attraction, maps, pedmed, virped, nomap, acnomap, depression, despair, psychology, research)
File:Blackmales.png|Logic of antis vs crime statistics: Put a curfew on Black Men, see also, [[Media:Mailore.png|police officers]]: far stronger predictive strength for offending (sexuality, african american, hebephilia, risk, access, pedophilia, minor attraction, seto, science, psychology)
File:Mentaldisorder.png|"Mental disorders" according to psychiatry (sexuality, hebephilia, disorder, psychiatry, trans, illness, history, pedophilia, minor attraction, mental, science, psychology, analogy, similar)
File:Academia-controversy.jpg|What people's insistence on getting offended by academics proves (academia, hysteria, kershnar, controversy, offence, triggered, csa, science, lies, defense mechanism, projection, denial, walker, psychology, abuse, philosophy)
File:Lievreorthodoxy.png|Dan Lievre (Newgon Founder): Social Justice Orthodoxy makes no sense on MAPs (useful when dealing with charges that the MAP Movement is "woke". Tags: sexuality, hebephilia, validity, woke, quote, sjw, history, social theory, pedophilia, minor attraction, identitarianism, politics)
File:animalHebe1.png|Intergenerational sex among Primates with citation (animals, study, practise, rind/yuill, minor-adult sex, academic, observation, science, monkeys, species, learning)
File:Bonobos.png|[[Research: Intergenerational Sexual Behaviors in Animals|Bonobo Juveniles/infants]] enjoying sex play (animals, study, academic, practise, minor-adult sex, observation, science, monkeys, species, learning)
File:BonoHuman.png|Human-Bonobo-Chimp finer comparison (animals, cognitive capacity, capability, minor-adult sex, science, animals, monkeys, species, learning)
File:Karen-innocence.png|A Karen confronts [[Debate Guide: Childhood innocence|childhood innocence]] (quote, study, academia, innocent, teens, children, crazy, hysteria, boomers, facebook)
File:Rind.jpg|20+ year-old [[Rind et al|Rind]] Paradox (see more in [[Research]] and the [[Index of Excerpt Gallery Libraries|excerpt graphics]]) (study, academia, controversy, unanswered, paper, report, trauma, harm, outcomes, csa, minor-adult sex)
SRcombined.png|Statutory rape is a legal fiction (law, minor-adult sex, hysteria, madness, arbitrary, victim, victimless, consensual, crime)
File:StatDeath.png|Statutory Death parody (law, minor-adult sex, courtroom, funny, hysteria, madness, judge judy, arbitrary, victim, victimless, consensual, crime)
File:ChadVsSoy.jpg|CunnyChad vs Reddit Soyjak Mod (child-adult sex, based, minor-adult sex, academia, bruce rind, comparison, csa, data, analysis, quant, consenting, voluntary)
File:Adultadult2.png|Kinsey Data ([[:File:Adultadult2.png|series inside]]) (research, minor-adult sex, academia, bruce rind, comparison, csa, data, analysis, quant, child, consenting, voluntary)
File:Lesbians.png|Modern Feminists disowning Lesbian History (Kinsey) (research, minor-adult sex, academia, bruce rind, comparison, csa, data, analysis, quant, child, consenting, voluntary)
File:Rind23.png|Rind 2023 data. (research, minor-adult sex, academia, bruce rind, comparison, csa, data, analysis, quant, child, consenting, voluntary)
File:Zarade.jpg|LGBT Outcomes: "Listen to LGBT Youth" For the papers by Sonya Arreola, Alex Carballo-Diéguez and Jessica Stanley, see DOI: 10.1080/00224490802204431, DOI: 10.1007/s10508-011-9748-y and DOI: 10.1080/00224490409552245 respectively. (research, minor-adult sex, academia, lgbt, comparison, gay, youth, analysis, data, quant, child, consenting, voluntary)
File:Dolphin2.png|Adult-juvenile sex among Dolphins (animals, minor-adult sex, juvenile, similar, analogy, species, science, observation)
File:Endthecycle.png|[[Debate Guide: Cyclical paternalism|Cyclical paternalism]] explainer (consent, minor-adult sex, knowledge, ignorance, innocence, self fulfilling prophecy, paternalism, adultism, ageism, adverse consequence - [[:File:Endthecycle.png|Italian translation inside]])
File:Self-fulfilling.png|Self-fulfilling prophecy of harm (minor-adult sex, minor-minor sex, csa, damage, kids, children, education, teach, indoctrination, americans, secondary harm - [[:File:Self-fulfilling.png|alternative inside]])
File:Goon2.png|[[Grooming]] riddle (hypocrisy, illogical, abuse, csa, language, minor-adult sex)
File:Grooming2.png|[[Grooming]] is circular logic (fallacy, ok groomer, abuse, csa, language, minor-adult sex, harm, trauma, damage)
File:GroomingReworked.png|Grooming vs Courtship (fallacy, ok groomer, abuse, hypocrisy, csa, language, minor-adult sex, harm, manipulation, trauma, media, damage) - [[:File:GroomingReworked.png|alternative inside with media headlines]])
File:Groomingncmec.png|Analysis of NCMEC/Lanning Report pathologizing banality (grooming, feds, fbi, ncmec, minor-adult sex, law, americans)
File:Legalityreality.jpg|Legal consent does not equal reality (rape, statutory, abuse, csa, language, minor-adult sex, laws, consent, rso)
File:trickery.png|Wordplay: what they really mean (rape, statutory, abuse, csa, language, minor-adult sex, consent, voluntary, harm, trauma, damage)
File:Nonfic.png|Nonfiction for MAPs (seen on [[pediverse]]) (reading, research, academia, minor attracted person, minor-adult sex, levine, brongersma, positive memories, trauma)
File:Abrahamic faiths.png|Abrahamic faiths on intergenerational intimacy (religion, research, texts, christianity, judaism, islam, abrahamic, summary, youth-adult marriage)
</gallery>

==Larger flyers==

<gallery mode=packed heights=400px style="text-align:left">
File:Lilystory.png|Narrative explaining the nonsense/unnatural concept of a consenting age (consent, minor-adult sex, law, legal, arbitrary, madness)
File:ConsentExamples.png|Consent explained with examples (consent, statutory, legal construct, minor-adult sex, law, arbitrary, madness, nonwestern - [[:File:ConsentExamples.png|Italian translation inside]])
File:AoCWestern.png|Age of Consent Flyer - Western examples (consent, purity, girls, minor-adult sex, law, legal, arbitrary, madness, nonwestern, western - [[:File:AoCWestern.png|Indian version inside]])
File:SecNewColor.png|Iatrogenic harm - comparison with other taboos (study, academia, secondary, trauma, harm, quote, paper, report, outcomes, csa, minor-adult sex - [[:File:SecNewColor.png|series inside]])
File:AMCleftist.jpg|Anti-MAP Crap (maps, fallacies, arguments refuted, antis, sex fascists, reply, response, minor attracted people)
File:Leftistpamphlet.png|Newgon-branded Pamphlet (from down the index) in Leftist Meme Style (maps, facts, accuracy, leaflet, propaganda, information, minor attracted people)
File:Childhood innocence.png|Childhood innocence explained (children, childhood innocence, innocence, purity, censorship, history, society, morality)

</gallery>

==Logical Fallacies series==

See our [[Debate Guide: Logical fallacies and intergenerational sexuality|Debate Guide]] article on the subject.

<gallery mode=packed heights=200px style="text-align:left">
File:Ad Populum.png|Ad Populum - Appeal to popularity (ad pop)
File:Ad Hominem.png|Ad Hominem - Personal attack (ad hom, ok pedo, ok groomer)
File:Authority Appeal.png|Appeal to authority
File:Equivocation.png|Equivocation - misleading with terminology (e.g. rape)
File:Genetic Fallacy.png|Genetic Fallacy
File:Guilt By Association.png|Guilt by association
File:Hasty Generalization.png|Hasty Generalization
File:Novelity Appeal.png|Appeal to novelty
File:Special Pleading 2 .png|Special pleading
File:Style Over Substance.png|Style over substance (tone)
File:Strawman.png|Strawman argument (raping babies argument)
File:Ad Nauseum 2.png|Ad Nauseum
</gallery>

==Positive memories==

Stories about positive memories from verified sources.

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==Anti-MAPs who were caught with their pants down==

There exist numerous examples of stridently anti-pedophile men, who themselves ended up being exposed for their [[Pedophilia|"pedophilic"]] and [[Hebephilia|"hebephilic"]] inclinations. These are sometimes used in online banter, and by [[MAP Movement|activists]].

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==Anti memes==

These memes have been produced by [[anti]]s (usually on Twitter or Facebook). You can use these memes to take advantage of hate and anger - spreading awareness of MAPs. Setting up an account as a hostile anti might actually be a way of ''avoiding'' censorship on certain platforms. It also gives us control over how the debate is "framed".

<gallery mode=packed heights=270px style="text-align:left">
File:Nosex.png|No sex please, we're children ([[:Image:Nosex.png|alternative versions inside]])
File:Pedoisland.png|Pedophile Island
File:Pedonorm.png|Normalizing Pedophiles
File:GaG.png|[[Gays Against Groomers]]
File:BLACKPROP1.png|Attacks the shift in language, mentions Newgon
File:BLACKPROP2.png|Mentions [[Minor Attracted Person]] euphemism and researchers
File:AMERIPROP.png|Mentions [[Minor Attracted Person]] euphemism and cultural background
File:FPSIc0qWUAA-Y60.jpg|Very smart meme using trans bodily autonomy vs freedom of youth to have sexual experiences
File:Blackprop1.jpg|The plan to legalize
File:GK0nE01aIAInvoc.jpg|More normalization
File:Paedoagends.jpg|The Paedophile agenda - accuses LGBT
File:Hebepedo.png|Hebephile/Pedophile distinction irrelevant to antis
File:FQo-G4gUcAI-kI7.jpg|OK Groomer
File:Antigroom.jpg|Antigroom Aktion
File:Gunishment.gif|'''(GIF)''' They don't deserve punishment, they deserve GUNISHMENT!
File:Ladypee.jpg|Have you never seen a LADY pee?!
File:1648647292071.jpg|And then one day, people voted for Hitler
File:1676641606100796.png|Fact checking the fact checkers
File:1659055468592612.jpg|LGBT groomers, therapist, freudian
File:Genderpop.png|Conservatives think kids are being made to suck she-dick (or something like that)
File:Cringe.png|LGBT agenda is the devil
File:Secretcodes.png|Pronouns are basically pedophilia code
File:Normaliz.jpg|Shared by Dr David Cartland on Twitter
File:Meds.png|Conspiracy, normalization, mentions Newgon
File:GMafHq5XgAAuCuE.jpg|Left trying to normalize
File:GMbv5nkXUAA41De.jpg|Progress from Gay via Trans to Pedo rights
File:Wokely.jpg|Only children can read "porn"
</gallery>

==Basic material==

<gallery>
File:Iliveagain.jpg|By Iliveagain ([[Pediverse|fediverse]])
File:HJ.png|By HandsomeJack
File:Bearbase.png|Basic Pedobear art (transparent surround)
Pbear.png|Brown Pedobear (transparent surround)
File:Untitled-1.png|Alternative [[Virtuous Pedophiles|Virped]] Logo ([[:File:Untitled-1.png|alternative versions]] inside)
</gallery>

==Posters==

Some of the material we feature has been specifically designed to be used as posters on subway ads and similar formats.

*[[Invalid Impact Poster Campaign]]

==Pamphlets==

Our pamphlet, '''"Minor-Attracted People (MAPs), Just the facts"''', is intended to look like plain and dowdy propaganda (until you look inside). Previews and PDF available. You may have to experiment with "fitting to page width" or "scaling" to get the folds to go bang down the center, but we have done most of the work for you.

<Gallery>
File:Pamphletmapscale.png|Front
File:Pamphletmapscale2.png|Back
</Gallery>

'''[[Media:Pamphletmapscale.pdf|Download full PDF]]'''

===Pamphleteering===

We have a short [[Pamphleteering|guide on pamphleting]], and some of our older material is still archived there. Hopefully, this will be an inspiration for future efforts, or reworking of old material.

=='zines==

See also [[list of MAP-related magazines]].

<gallery heights="200px" widths="200px">
File:Chdipsample.png|Challenging Dialogs front page (sample) - Art by [[Chuck Dodson]], PDFs: [[:Media:Chdip01.pdf|Challenging Dialogs p.1]], [[:Media:Chdip02.pdf|Challenging Dialogs p.2]], [[:Media:Chdip03.pdf|Challenging Dialogs p.3]]
</gallery>

==Media flyers==

These are small publications that can be emailed to target groups, such as media organizations, or sent to their social media accounts.

*[[Media:ContentDemo.pdf|Info Pack (2022) for media organizations]] - selling the controversy re minor-adult sex

==Notes==

[[Category:Promotional Media]]

Agecuck

2026-05-03T19:10:57Z

JJ1: link unbroken

__NOTOC__
[[File:Agecuck soyjak meme.png|thumb|Agecuck soyjak meme]]
[[File:Agecuck bingo meme.png|thumb|Agecuck bingo meme]]
An '''agecuck''' is defined within the [[incelosphere]] and parts of the manosphere as an individual who opposes romantic and/or sexual relationships to people, usually women, solely because their chronological age is lower than an arbitrary limit. The age limit embraced by agecucks is usually 18 years, regardless of physical and mental maturity.

Agecucks might be defined as men who subconsciously try to attack competing men because they are secretly attracted to the "minor" woman themselves, or older women who are trying to shame men for being attracted to women younger than themselves, to eliminate competition from the "dating pool".

Agecucks are thought to label men attracted to physically mature teenage women as "pedophiles" due to the high shock value of that word, even though "pedophilia" means attraction to prepubescent people. This is possible due to the social construct "age of majority", which labels people ranging from both toddlers and mature teenagers with the overarching umbrella term "minors", disregarding their differences in physical maturity.

It has been [[Debate Guide: Doomed from the beginning|common over time]] for heterosexual couples to include a younger woman, given that women on average enter puberty earlier and mature faster than men, and women usually desire more mature and sexually experienced men.

Male agecucks can themselves be secretly sexually attracted to physically mature reproductive teenage women who happen to be younger than 18 years, but might not admit it due to social implications.

The idea that romantic relationships and eroticism are traumatic by default to teenagers is a social construct. Incels have argued that in males, sex during puberty does not cause permanent brain damage - the lack thereof does.<ref>[https://incels.wiki/w/Teen_love_pill Teen love pill - Incel Wiki]</ref>

It has been hypothesized that women are shamed by agecucks into accepting that any sex as a minor is traumatic and abusive (expectation bias), and that women who were already sexually active as "minors" have changed their minds retroactively, even if they originally did not perceive it as such (see [[#Alanis Morissette]]).

== Case studies ==

=== Jax ===

One example of an "agecuck" is "Jax" on YouTube, who infantilizes mature teenage women in his video "Why Have There Been So Many Child Groomers Recently?", even referring to men dating or sleeping with women who have already become legal adults (18 years old) as "[[grooming|groomers]]", due to those women being close to being minors.<ref name="jax-video">[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dmFUOvAVig Why Have There Been So Many Child Groomers Recently?] - Jax</ref>

Here, Jax argues against using the law to determine morality, while ironically using the rigid and arbitrary number of years of age in the law to distinguish between "minors" and "adults":

<blockquote>
[03:09]
''This guy, Charem, groomed somebody who was underage into being a participant into NSFW conversations and engagement as soon as they turned 18. Some freaks who believe the law determines morality believe this is OK for some reason, despite this literally being textbook grooming.''
</blockquote>

Here, "Jax" fails to address the argument (because he couldn't) and resorted to an ad-hominem attack instead:

<blockquote>
[16:17]
''He frequently attempted to manipulate the victim by talking about "maturity", and saying that "age doesn't matter, only maturity does", which is a common justification by predators such as this.''<ref name="jax-video" />

</blockquote>

=== Alanis Morissette ===

Canadian singer Alanis Morissette (born in 1974) became sexually active at the age of 15, meaning in the year 1989 or 1990. This is before 2008, where the age of consent in Canada was raised from 14 to 16, so the adult man who slept with her did not violate the law at that time.

She originally enjoyed intercourse with the adult man, but was thereafter patronized by the people around her that something horrible was done to her, until she started believing it:

<blockquote>
''It took me years in therapy to even admit there had been any kind of victimization on my part. I would always say I was consenting, and then I'd be reminded like 'Hey, you were 15, you're not consenting at 15.' Now I'm like, 'Oh yeah, they're all pedophiles. It's all statutory rape.'''<ref>[https://archive.today/2026.01.15-212257/https://web.archive.org/web/20250522001127/https://www.businessinsider.nl/alanis-morissette-says-she-was-raped-by-multiple-men-in-new-hbo-documentary-jagged/ Alanis Morissette says she was raped by multiple men in new HBO documentary ‘Jagged’ - Business Insider Nederland]</ref>

</blockquote>

The erotic acts could be said to have had no [[intrinsic harm]].

== See also==

*[[Youth-Adult Marriage]]

== External links ==
* [https://incels.is/threads/the-agecuck-song-laszlo-ft-urlaubsinsel-parody.850399/ The agecuck song! - LASZLO ft. Urlaubsinsel (parody) | Incels.is - Involuntary Celibate Forum]
* [https://incels.is/threads/why-agecucks-are-opposed-to-adult-teen-couples.828623/ Why agecucks are opposed to adult-teen couples. | Incels.is - Involuntary Celibate Forum]
* [https://archive.org/details/MumkeysAnimeReviews/003.+B+Gata+H+Kei_+Yamada's+First+Time+-+Mumkey's+Anime+Reviews+%233.mp4 B Gata H Kei: Yamada's First Time - Mumkey's Anime Reviews] - Mumkey Jones (The video asks the viewer to guess which of the two women is 18 years old and which of them is 15, following by switching the ages around.)
* [https://theantifeminist.com/different-types-of-age-cuck-explained/ "Different Types of Age Cuck Explained" - The AntiFeminist]
* [https://oogenhand.wordpress.com:443/2018/05/02/agecuck/ Agecuck – oogenhand]
[[Category:Terminology]]

== References ==

Agecuck

2026-05-03T19:09:57Z

JJ1: added memes

__NOTOC__
[[File:Agecuck soyjak meme.png|thumb|Agecuck soyjak meme]]
[[File:File:Agecuck bingo meme.png|thumb|Agecuck bingo meme]]
An '''agecuck''' is defined within the [[incelosphere]] and parts of the manosphere as an individual who opposes romantic and/or sexual relationships to people, usually women, solely because their chronological age is lower than an arbitrary limit. The age limit embraced by agecucks is usually 18 years, regardless of physical and mental maturity.

Agecucks might be defined as men who subconsciously try to attack competing men because they are secretly attracted to the "minor" woman themselves, or older women who are trying to shame men for being attracted to women younger than themselves, to eliminate competition from the "dating pool".

Agecucks are thought to label men attracted to physically mature teenage women as "pedophiles" due to the high shock value of that word, even though "pedophilia" means attraction to prepubescent people. This is possible due to the social construct "age of majority", which labels people ranging from both toddlers and mature teenagers with the overarching umbrella term "minors", disregarding their differences in physical maturity.

It has been [[Debate Guide: Doomed from the beginning|common over time]] for heterosexual couples to include a younger woman, given that women on average enter puberty earlier and mature faster than men, and women usually desire more mature and sexually experienced men.

Male agecucks can themselves be secretly sexually attracted to physically mature reproductive teenage women who happen to be younger than 18 years, but might not admit it due to social implications.

The idea that romantic relationships and eroticism are traumatic by default to teenagers is a social construct. Incels have argued that in males, sex during puberty does not cause permanent brain damage - the lack thereof does.<ref>[https://incels.wiki/w/Teen_love_pill Teen love pill - Incel Wiki]</ref>

It has been hypothesized that women are shamed by agecucks into accepting that any sex as a minor is traumatic and abusive (expectation bias), and that women who were already sexually active as "minors" have changed their minds retroactively, even if they originally did not perceive it as such (see [[#Alanis Morissette]]).

== Case studies ==

=== Jax ===

One example of an "agecuck" is "Jax" on YouTube, who infantilizes mature teenage women in his video "Why Have There Been So Many Child Groomers Recently?", even referring to men dating or sleeping with women who have already become legal adults (18 years old) as "[[grooming|groomers]]", due to those women being close to being minors.<ref name="jax-video">[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dmFUOvAVig Why Have There Been So Many Child Groomers Recently?] - Jax</ref>

Here, Jax argues against using the law to determine morality, while ironically using the rigid and arbitrary number of years of age in the law to distinguish between "minors" and "adults":

<blockquote>
[03:09]
''This guy, Charem, groomed somebody who was underage into being a participant into NSFW conversations and engagement as soon as they turned 18. Some freaks who believe the law determines morality believe this is OK for some reason, despite this literally being textbook grooming.''
</blockquote>

Here, "Jax" fails to address the argument (because he couldn't) and resorted to an ad-hominem attack instead:

<blockquote>
[16:17]
''He frequently attempted to manipulate the victim by talking about "maturity", and saying that "age doesn't matter, only maturity does", which is a common justification by predators such as this.''<ref name="jax-video" />

</blockquote>

=== Alanis Morissette ===

Canadian singer Alanis Morissette (born in 1974) became sexually active at the age of 15, meaning in the year 1989 or 1990. This is before 2008, where the age of consent in Canada was raised from 14 to 16, so the adult man who slept with her did not violate the law at that time.

She originally enjoyed intercourse with the adult man, but was thereafter patronized by the people around her that something horrible was done to her, until she started believing it:

<blockquote>
''It took me years in therapy to even admit there had been any kind of victimization on my part. I would always say I was consenting, and then I'd be reminded like 'Hey, you were 15, you're not consenting at 15.' Now I'm like, 'Oh yeah, they're all pedophiles. It's all statutory rape.'''<ref>[https://archive.today/2026.01.15-212257/https://web.archive.org/web/20250522001127/https://www.businessinsider.nl/alanis-morissette-says-she-was-raped-by-multiple-men-in-new-hbo-documentary-jagged/ Alanis Morissette says she was raped by multiple men in new HBO documentary ‘Jagged’ - Business Insider Nederland]</ref>

</blockquote>

The erotic acts could be said to have had no [[intrinsic harm]].

== See also==

*[[Youth-Adult Marriage]]

== External links ==
* [https://incels.is/threads/the-agecuck-song-laszlo-ft-urlaubsinsel-parody.850399/ The agecuck song! - LASZLO ft. Urlaubsinsel (parody) | Incels.is - Involuntary Celibate Forum]
* [https://incels.is/threads/why-agecucks-are-opposed-to-adult-teen-couples.828623/ Why agecucks are opposed to adult-teen couples. | Incels.is - Involuntary Celibate Forum]
* [https://archive.org/details/MumkeysAnimeReviews/003.+B+Gata+H+Kei_+Yamada's+First+Time+-+Mumkey's+Anime+Reviews+%233.mp4 B Gata H Kei: Yamada's First Time - Mumkey's Anime Reviews] - Mumkey Jones (The video asks the viewer to guess which of the two women is 18 years old and which of them is 15, following by switching the ages around.)
* [https://theantifeminist.com/different-types-of-age-cuck-explained/ "Different Types of Age Cuck Explained" - The AntiFeminist]
* [https://oogenhand.wordpress.com:443/2018/05/02/agecuck/ Agecuck – oogenhand]
[[Category:Terminology]]

== References ==

File:Agecuck soyjak meme.png

2026-05-03T19:08:30Z

JJ1: Source: https://incels.is/threads/the-agecuck-song-laszlo-ft-urlaubsinsel-parody.850399/post-23398674

== Summary ==
Source: https://incels.is/threads/the-agecuck-song-laszlo-ft-urlaubsinsel-parody.850399/post-23398674

File:Agecuck bingo meme.png

2026-05-03T19:07:17Z

JJ1: Source: https://incels.is/threads/the-agecuck-song-laszlo-ft-urlaubsinsel-parody.850399/post-23398674

== Summary ==
Source: https://incels.is/threads/the-agecuck-song-laszlo-ft-urlaubsinsel-parody.850399/post-23398674

Statutory rape

2026-05-03T12:57:38Z

JJ1: +:File:What is statutory rape.png

[[File:Minorslie.png|thumb|It is well known within the legal industry, that minors sometimes lie about their age, implicating their partners as statutory rapists]]
[[File:What is statutory rape.png|thumb|What is statutory rape?]]
<div style="margin-right: 25px; float: left;">__TOC__</div>The term '''statutory rape''' is used when the law presumes a minor to be a victim of [[rape]] regardless of their sexual [[consent]]. Sometimes, the law does not describe illegal under-age sex as rape, but nevertheless - this term has been adopted by moderate liberals to describe cases where parties involved were close in age yet one (being above the [[Age of Consent]]) was persecuted by the law. This use of the term is somewhat subjective, as sexual contact between far more age-disparate parties (which is seen by many people as actual rape) may also be "statutory rape".

Very few jurisdictions use the actual term "statutory rape" in the language of statutes (State Legislators’ Handbook for Statutory Rape Issues).<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20100728080711/http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/ovc/publications/infores/statutoryrape/handbook/statrape.pdf OJP: Statutory Rape Handbook (old)]</ref> Different jurisdictions use many different statutory terms for the crime, such as "sexual assault," "rape of a child," "corruption of a minor," "carnal knowledge of a minor," "unlawful carnal knowledge", or simply "[[carnal knowledge]]." Statutory rape differs from forcible rape in that overt force or threat need not be present. The laws presume coercion, because a minor or mentally retarded adult is legally incapable of giving [[consent]] to the act. <blockquote>''"Statutory Rape Is Illegal Sexual Activity Between Two People When It Would Otherwise Be Legal If Not For Their Age: In accordance with the FBI definition, statutory rape is characterized as non-forcible sexual intercourse with a person who is younger than the statutory age of consent. Dating without sexual contact can in no way be considered a form of statutory rape"''.<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20080901040250/http://www.sexlaws.org/what_is_statutory_rape Sexlaws.org - What is Statutory Rape?]</ref></blockquote>

In this sense, the term ''statutory rape'' generally refers to sex between an adult and a sexually mature minor past the age of [[puberty]]. Sexual relations with a prepubescent child, generically called "[[child molestation]]," is typically treated as a more serious crime.

== Origin and History ==

The crime of statutory rape was introduced into English law as a felony by the Statutes of Westminster [3 Edw, c.13, 1275] and later made a capital offence [13 Edw, c.34, 1285]. It was defined as

* a [[man]] (or [[boy]])
* having (vaginal) intercourse with
* a [[girl]]
* less than 12 years of age
* not his wife.

It carried over to [[United States]] law and together with sodomy it constitutes the core of the sexual offences in the Anglo-Saxon tradition. Most clauses of the definition have, however, undergone important changes in recent years. Only the marital exception ("not his wife") remains yet unchanged.

== Age limit ==

The age limit (commonly called age of consent) remained at ten or twelve years until the 1880s (Cocca, p. 23f., has a table). Following its raising in England by the the Criminal Law Amendment Act [48 & 49 Vict., c.69, 1885], a coalition of progressives, feminists, and religious conservatives was formed and successfully lobbied for a higher limit. It is remarkable that this coalition would remain essentially stable for more than a century, in spite of fundamental differences.

The offence now was more akin to seduction and from it the defence of promiscuity entered the law of statutory rape, its protection was now restricted to (evidently) white girls of ‘previously chaste character’. Another change that came about was the introduction of "age-span" provisions, first in New York, then, much later in many, but not all, other states. These provisions sought to decriminalise same-age sexual behaviour, albeit half-heartedly as often minor offences remained in effect that covered exactly these cases.

==Gender differences in statutory rape==
===Female-male statutory rape===
In the past, sex involving an adult female and an underage male was often ignored by the law. However, in recent years, social perceptions have shifted, particularly when the adult female is in a position of responsibility, and there have now been a number of high profile cases ([[Mary Kay Letourneau]], [[Debra Lafave]], [[Pamela Rogers Turner]], [[Pamela Smart]]) in which adult females have been prosecuted for participating in sexual relationships with younger males. Under English and Scottish common law, such cases would be viewed as indecent assault and some cases have been prosecuted.<ref>[http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/kent/6206426.stm Jail term for underage sex woman]</ref><ref>[http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/staffordshire/4153120.stm BBC NEWS | England | Staffordshire | Teacher jailed for seducing boy]</ref>

===Same-sex statutory rape===
In some jurisdictions, relationships between adults and minors may be prosecuted more strongly when both are the same sex. For example, in Kansas, if someone 18 or older has sex with a minor no more than four years younger, a Romeo and Juliet law limits the penalty substantially. As written, however, this law does not apply to same-sex couples, leading to higher penalties. The Kansas law was successfully challenged, as being in conflict with the U.S. Supreme Court rulings Lawrence v. Texas and Romer v. Evans.<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20070718181056/http://www.kscourts.org/kscases/supct/2005/20051021/85898.htm 85898 - State v. Limon - Luckert - Kansas Supreme Court]</ref> The Lawrence v. Texas precedent does not directly address equal protection, but its application in the case of Limon v. Kansas was that it also invalidates [[Age of Consent]] laws that discriminate by sexual orientation (Lawrence v. Texas).<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20160427230606/http://writ.news.findlaw.com/grossman/20051101.html FindLaw's Writ - Grossman: The Kansas Supreme Court Rights a Wrong, Ruling that the State Cannot Penalize a Teenager for Being Gay]</ref><ref>[http://www.avert.org/aofconsent.htm A table of worldwide ages of consent, including US states]</ref>

== Broadening the definition ==

Part of the "rape reform" under way in the 1970s was to include other kinds of sexual activity besides vaginal intercourse in the definition in order to protect very young children. Some self-describing [[feminist]]s also encouraged use of gender-neutral language, which is now employed in every U.S. state. Taken together these changes make statutory rape a very broad offence.

== Criticism ==

It should be said that "statutory rape" type laws are very controversial and some consider them being unconstitutional. They point out that although the presumption of innocence is used in practically all other criminal cases, including murder of children, it is not used with respect to statutory rape, for which offences are measured only on the basis of age of the victim. That is, in murder cases the accused has the opportunity to provide evidence that he didn't kill the victim, but in statutory rape cases violence is assumed per se, through a conclusive presumption, solely on the basis of the age of the victim and regardless of any evidence to the contrary.

Therefore, even though all defendants in statutory rape cases have the right to an attorney, to speak in court, to a fair defense, to present mitigating circumstances, to a fair trial and the right to appeal, all these rights only serve as a way to determine the degree of the penalty to be applied, and the accused is already considered guilty before the trial begins, even when [[consent]] is proven beyond any reasonable doubt and when parental consent is documented.

For example, in May 2006, the Irish Supreme Court found the existing statutory rape laws to have been unconstitutional as it prevented the defendant from entering a defence (e.g., that he had assumed the other party was over the age of consent). This has led to the release of persons held under the statutory rape law and has led to public demands that the law be changed by emergency legislation being enacted.

==See also==

*[[Age of Consent]]
*[[Romeo and Juliet]] laws
*[[Mature Minor]]

== References ==

* [[Carolyn Cocca]]: ''Jailbait : The Politics of Statutory Rape Laws in the United States''. — Albany, NY: State University of New York Press, 2004. — xiii, 228 pp., 23 cm

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This is an organized, ethnological study of [[Wikipedia:Internet meme|memes]] by, and about [[Minor Attracted Person|MAPs]] from various political and apolitical perspectives. While this archive is considered largely complete, we will [[NewgonWiki:Getting involved|consider exceptional and notable examples]] for inclusion.

In addition to the informational memes on this page, [[research]] graphics can be found at [[Index of Excerpt Gallery Libraries|this index]], or on their respective research pages.

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==The MAP Flag==
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The concept underlying the [[MAP Flag]] was seen as early as 2009 and it resurfaced (or was spontaneously recoined) in 2018, gathering widespread social media attention after a campaign by [[NOMAP]]s on Tumblr. It has been re-imagined twice by Jim Burton - most recently as a [[:File:MU-high tower.png|horizontal gradient]].

===Originals===

These are the most commonly used MAP Flags.

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File:Mapflag2018.svg|2018 post-publicity "MAP Flag" - i.e. original Stenna "[[NOMAP]] Flag"
File:Yapf2.png|2023 [[Youth Attracted Person|YAP]] Flag - Lilitha
File:Yesmap.png|2022 "Yesmap Flag" - exclusive [[pro-c]] symbol first published here - Jim Burton
File:Mapunion.png|2023 Union MAP Flag concept combining the 2018 and 2021 variants - Jim Burton
File:Gradient.jpeg|2009 Newgon "Gradient" Flag by Philist: First known use of this, or a related concept
</Gallery>

===MAP Flag variations and memes===

The MAP Flag has already been used in numerous good-faith social media profiles of MAPs, but also by activists in campaigns that deliberately troll opponents, both in favor of, and in antagonism against MAPs.

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File:MAPflagunitedlarge.svg|2021 MAP Flag presented without anti-alias (i.e. for making an actual flag)
File:Mapmane.png|MAP Maned Lion (Bolt)
File:Revolution.jpg|Revolution, inc MAP Flag - [[Katie Cruz]]. Find this and more graphics at [https://mirror.amapin.love/ The Mirror Project].
File:Fist2.png|Similar fist with blended flag colors - Matthewyoung ([[:Image:Fist2.png|alternative version by Katie Cruz inside]])
File:23a30f4c38ac90ad.png|MAP Rights are Human Rights - kore, fediverse, artwork at bottom, Snuffies
File:Resistance.png|Resistance - Cailín Leannán (based on imagery from Irish troubles)
File:Flag.png|Raising the MAP Flag
File:Beeflag.png|Similar, modified by beefriend
File:Poik9090853.png|Union MAP Flag, effect by Poik, PCMA
File:E217c2e8993f1daf.png|Pizza Flag, Silvestery, pawoo.net
File:Mapflag160.jpg|Banksy-style MAP Flag in balloon<ref name="Uncredited" />
File:Bee.png|AAM artwork by bee, PCMA
File:Beeaam.jpg|Further AAM work by bee
File:954183092fb4458b.jpg|Fedi, unknown
File:Masoniccomunist.jpg|The '''M'''asonic '''A'''narcho-communist '''P'''edo Flag (or DDR MAP Flag by Yutlibnow)
File:Libedit.png|MAP Gadsden Flag - Beefriend
File:Anarch.png|Anarchist Gadsden MAP Flag (Ancap)
File:1000064426.png|Star with MAP-Coding (Ancap)
Image:FCncb9dWUAMBHOW.png|Pedophile Lives Matter by Strategist ([[:Image:FCncb9dWUAMBHOW.png|Conservative/Tory version inside]])
Image:MAPsBased.png|<nowiki>#MAPsAreBased</nowiki> - Strategist
1500x500.jpg|Semi-discreet header background in NOMAP orientation<ref name="Uncredited" />
File:Flagbann.png|Header bg based on flag (Rin)
File:Flower-arch-head.png|Flower Arch Header - beefriend
File:Anglomap flag2.png|AngloNOMAP Flag by Rin ([[:Image:Anglomap flag2.png|alternative AngloMAP version inside]])
File:Bg1.png|Background/desktop (maki, NNIA)
File:Bg2.png|Background/desktop<ref name="Uncredited" />
File:Flagbg2.png|Very subtle bg by beefriend
File:Untitled407 20240624163637.jpg|background - bee, PCMA
File:Flagmf.png|Graphic with jumping young people (Mythebe, FST, originally attached to an [[FreeSpeechTube|FST essay]])
File:Mapring.png|Transparent MAP Ring for PFPs ([[:Image:Mapring.png|alternative versions inside]])<ref name="Uncredited" />
File:Mappridesticker.jpg|"MAP Pride Sticker" from @SvbbyPvbby ([[:Image:Mappridesticker.jpg|alternative b&w version inside]])
File:Untitled372 20240529095904.jpg|Derivative "MAP and AAM Pride Stickers" from Bee ([[:Image:Untitled372 20240529095904.jpg|alternative 2021 Flag and AAM versions inside]])
Dumpy975815219584589834-1.gif|'''GIF:''' Among Us Twerk/Among Us Dumpy-type meme<ref name="Uncredited">If you are the creator of this file, it has not been credited because we were unable to determine your identity, or establish [https://www.yesmap.net/contact contact] (due, for example, to defederation) and determine your consent or otherwise to receiving credit. Only in extreme cases does NewgonWiki consider removal of material from this index - for example, violation of license, or extraordinary personal circumstances such as identifying information.</ref>
File:FqppVq8WIAIGlpk.jpg|MAP Flag Anime - many such examples present on [[Pediverse]]<ref name="Uncredited" />
File:Bgfbfgfg.png|Touching hand MAP Flag art<ref name="Uncredited" />
Mapflagfaded.png|Faded 2021 MAP Flag - Jim Burton
File:Lgbmap.png|Gay MAP Flag (contrary to popular claims, these have barely been adopted by MAPs)
File:Lesmap.png|[[Intergenerational Lesbianism|Lesbian MAP]] Flag (contrary to popular claims, these have barely been adopted by MAPs. Supposedly, [[Girllove|GL]] and [[Boylove|BL]] versions exist, too)
File:Kanji.png|Kanji (Chinese, Japanese) Love Symbol with [[Adult Attracted Minor|AAM]] flag colors ([[:Image:Kanji.png|alternative MAP versions inside]])<ref name="Uncredited" />
File:Mapaam.png|AAM heart inside a pro-choice MAP Flag (beefriend)
File:MAPFteacher.png|Teacher displays 2018 MAP Flag ([[:File:MAPFteacher.png|PS by beefriend, both versions available]])
File:MAPFteacher20.png|Lecturer displays 2021 MAP Flag ([[:File:MAPFteacher20.png|PS by beefriend, both versions available]])
File:Boymap.png|A small boy carries the MAP Flag (beefriend)
File:Mapkid.png|Small girl with MAP Flag (beefriend)
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==Simple/Traditional memes==

Traditional memes convey a short and salient message in a graphic. MAPs have been memed with (some would say) surprising success, and broadly throughout the internet. This is only a very narrow selection of the material that has been seen from various quarters. Our own [[research]] graphics can be found at '''[[Index of Excerpt Gallery Libraries|this index]]''', or on their respective research pages.

===The MAP Identity===

In addition to graphics and symbols in the lead section of this archive, a number of memes reference the MAP Identity, its development, public perceptions and internal issues. A [https://booru.mapsupport.de/posts MAP Support Booru] and [https://paraflags-wiki.org/index.php/Main_Page Paraphilia Flags Wiki] also lists memes and social media graphics based on MAP identities.

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File:1000003111.jpg|Reaction to MAP Identity - (visibility, gay, progress, lgbtq, pride, map flag, glb, inclusion, valid)
File:GNHB5FDXAAA-wjC.jpg|MAP Visibility - (social progress, lgbt, queer, pansexual, aam - [[:File:GNHB5FDXAAA-wjC.jpg|AAM and German variation inside]])
Il glf.jpg|MAP/YAP GLF parody - kore, fediverse - (liberation front, gay, queer, LGBT, paraphile, glf - [[:File:Il glf.jpg|Gay and Zoo versions inside]])
File:PedAreSick guy2 ar2-1 text2 v2 resized.jpg|Pedophiles Are Sick - part of the [[Invalid Impact Poster Campaign]] (map flag, provocative, mu)
File:Lucas657756.jpg|MAP/LGBT unity meme by Lucas, PCMA (gay, progress, map flag, glb, inclusion, cooperation)
File:Raw.png|Give MAP kids a chance to be kids - reversion Consuela [https://booru.mapsupport.de/post/140 mapsupport.de] (child, minor map, map flag, aam, inclusion, valid)
File:The_Revolution_Won't_Be_Televised.png|The Revolution Won't Be Televised - (progress, rallying troops, gloating, woke, pride)
File:Enbymeme.png|Pink hair enby - MAP adaptation (enby, map, valid, identity)
File:Mapally5.png|Be a MAP Ally - (Minor Attracted Person, pedo, hebephile, alliance, asexual, lgbt, gay - [[:File:Mapally5.png|presented in asexual and rainbow flag variations]])
File:Ima f4d8619.png|MAP Rights artwork, feat. older female / younger male - (map, valid, identity, youthlove, drawings, art)
File:Youthpo.png|Youth pornography etc vs statist terminology (nomap, erotica, mocking, language, youthlove, response, reply, csam, csai, troll)
File:Loliconpipeline.png|Pipeline punch lolicon edit (proship, fiction, lolicon, japanese, drawings, art, cunny, hebephilia, pipeline, pedophilia, propaganda, newgon, pediverse)
File:Pridemonth.png|Google LGBT vs MAP Pride Month Trolling Response (google maps, parody, logo)
File:Mapally.jpg|Insufferable MAP Ally (destigmatizer, nomap, coping, map, virped, talking therapy, non-maladaptive)
File:FHOv8J3XoBIfSQt.jpg|Pedo Yes Chad - "Yes". (based, chads, pedophilia, lolis, cunny, lolipiller, drawings, art, lolicon, cope, seethe, hebephilia)
File:FU0ZTx4XwAAcfGr.jpg|Say what you want about pedophiles (trolling, minor attraction, map, comedy, humor, perv)
File:Glowig.png|Pedo Yes Chad vs Fediverse Glowie (based, chads, pedophilia, fbi, cia, glow, pedi, fedi)
File:Maprigh5.png|MAP Rights AI Anime Protest - (Minor Attracted Person, pedo, hebephile, youth rights, maps, anime, art - [[:File:Maprigh5.png|many versions available]])
</gallery>

===Youth Autonomy/Rights/Liberation===

The autonomy, [[Research: Cognitive ability|capacities]] and liberation of youth are all likely to be crucial battlegrounds for MAPs, [[Adult Attracted Minor|AAMs]] and their allies over the next few decades. Another way of describing this, is fighting [[ageism]]. Anti-ageist memes are dotted around our categories, and the following are explicitly anti-ageist.

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File:Screenshot 2025-04-04-20-44-33-777.jpeg|UNAIDS: Age of Consent unhealthy and restrictive for young people (youth, sexual health, sti, consent, autonomy, rights)
File:FUbrBs9VsAA9vta.jpeg|Parents: I know you more than anyone else > No, you don't (youth, child, parent, autonomy, rights)
File:rapememe.png|How to prevent rape - Sayaka Fermi (hypocrisy, body autonomy, minor-adult sex, agency, irrational, coercion, awareness, education, youth, choice, prevention)
File:Scrolloftruth.png|Scroll of truth: Youth autonomy prevents abuse (hypocrisy, body autonomy, agency, irrational, choice, protection, education, youth, prevention)
File:Domino.png|Domino effect - Investigating MAPs to supporting YouthLib (liberation, youth rights, logic, sequential, cause and effect)
</gallery>

===CSA Absurdism and Professional Hypocrisy===

A large number of MAP and MAP-Adjacent memes expose and magnify the absurdism of narratives around [[safeguarding]], abuse, trauma and child protection. In some cases, the hypocritical beliefs of professionals and "experts" are given special treatment.

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File:Childinnocence.png|Childhood innocence has existed for around 2% of time (history, safeguarding, ethnology, protection)
File:believe.jpg|Believe the Children (consent, abuse, trauma, testimony, trust, children, courtroom, legal, doctor, hypocrisy, medicine - [[:File:believe.jpg|alternative inside re. conversion therapy]])
File:Psychs.png|Child psychologists cat reaction to minors (minor-minor sex, science, rso, registry reform, pseudoscience, victomology)
File:Pcaldihufjbidcfjb.png|No sex unless accompanied by adults - Peter Caldwell, PCMA (consent, child sex, park sign, rules, safeguarding, age-appropriate)
File:BBoobs.jpg|Babies vs Teens Sucking Boobs (consent, hypocrisy, babies, age, teens, perversion, professor, inappropriate)
File:Main-qimg-12579087b355f31646ea5b1f506cf832-lq.jpg|I, too have lost a kingdom (sex offender, rso, kiddy fiddler, atlantis, athenian, surreal, hysteria, bizarre, molester)
File:denial.jpg|Child protectors believe children are in denial (minor-adult sex, testimony, rationalization, distortion, minors, ignorant, fallacy, mental blocking)
Fhritp.png|A 15 year old is a child, period (mic drop, jamal, teen, menstruation, child, triggered, antis, sjw, feminist, npc, based, comeback, reply, response)
File:Confused2.png|Confused if he should be scarred for life (age, arbitrary, teen, minor-adult sex, trauma, damage, scarred, absurd, crazy)
File:At85scarred.png|85 year old man learns he was abused ([https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35232293/ implausible] reaction) (age, arbitrary, teen, minor-adult sex, elderly, trauma, damage, scarred, absurd, crazy)
File:FJy-YI XIAEWo2U.png|Juvenile offending records vs sex offender records (facepalm, normies, register, registry, rso, law, legal, insane, madness, arbitrary, minors, youth, kids)
File:TouchingGood.png|Good Touches (teacher, education, instruction, learning, quote, swimsuit, protection, sexual harassment, abuse, trauma)
File:Whenispacceptable.png|When is pedophilia acceptable political compass (reply, response, politics, map, pedo, libertarian, authoritarian, left, right)
File:Misopedic.png|Misopedic ageists (antis, chad, swim, children, ageism, moronic, surrealist, girl, cute)
File:randomphotonew.png|Random photo reaction (hysteria, funny, sex fascists, western, crazy, nonwestern, fellatio, suck, abuse, overreaction)
File:WaterGlassSF.png|Glass of Water with optimist, pessimist and Sex Fascists (hysteria, sex fascists, western, indian, nonwestern, abuse, cultural, overreaction - [[:File:WaterGlassSF.png|version with various countries inside]])
File:Unboy.png|United Nations vs Teen Boy (agency, consent, autonomy, international community, bureaucracy, ngo, unicef, ILGA, hypocrisy, feminism, leftism, lizard people, feminazis)
File:18th Birthday Clock hit 12.jpg|Arbitrary nature of age limit (hypocrisy, child, adult, teen, consent, autonomy, americans, agency, age, 18, absurd)
File:SexualOritent.jpg|'Child' is not a Gender (identitarian, sexuality, orientation, identity, validity, sjw, woke, adult, adultism, gender, pedophilia)
File:MAPSchool.png|Public Schools (map, prevalence, pedophilia, hebephilia, response, reply, naive, parents, grooming, access, protection, education - combine with [[Research: Prevalence|prevalence]] info)
File:horse.png|Covering genitals to prevent trauma to baby horses (nudity, bullshit, hysterical, children, graphic, protection, morality, americans, scarred, mental)
File:Childmeme.png|Responding to in-thread misdefinition of child (definition, accuracy, reply, response, children, dumb, hysterical, ageism, dictionary, teens)
File:Brain Development Is Ableist (2).png|Brain Development is Ableist (cognitive capacity and development, mental, minor-adult sex, ability, disabled, ageist, ageism, chauvinism)
File:FJARn kWQAElHfn.jpg|Brain scan - trauma absurdity (consent, minor-adult sex, age, harm, law, arbitrary, absurd, science, pseudoscience, americans, cognitive, westerners)
File:Expressfake.png|Fake Express article (blame, minor-adult sex, age, harm, economy, absurd)
</gallery>

===Responding to [[Anti]]s (and their hypocrisy)===

Some responses to anti-MAP sympathies are also included under "redeploying hostile discourses" and the sections on conservatives, liberals and CSA Absurdism.

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File:Sheepl.png|MAP Propaganda vs the Informed Citizen (pedo, map flag, social media, consumption, anti, dissonance, hypocrisy)
File:Sexbingo.png|Sex Fascist Bingo: (hypocrisy, religion, consent, cognitive development/capacity, mental, pedophiles, orientation, distortion, fallacy, fallacies, antis, response)
File:Fuckyou.png|Minor attraction is wrong/Fuck you (antis, parents, reply, response, comeback)
File:217 - anti-map flag artist chizu type edit.png|Burning the anti-MAP Flag (antis, haters, reply, response, comeback)
File:Qplamz.png|Antis and parents vs MAPs, Minors collateral (antis, parents, reply, response, comeback, law, secondary harm, crossfire)
File:Woodchippagobrrrrr.jpg|Anti wojak, annotated (antis, trolling, insult, woodchipper, face wall, moronic, dumb, reply, response)
File:Minorcard.png|Minor card, with privileges (underage, puriteen, reply, response, juvenile, twitter, debate, argument, opinion discarded)
File:DontloveCLs.png|Love children but don't love CLs (pedophile, response, reply, comeback, parents)
File:FQU5DnXWYAQkKTI.jpg|Yes Chad baseball bat anti-meme response (gore/blood, violence, consent, attack, validity, reply, response, based, pedo)
File:Yeschadconsenting.png|Islam Yes Chad baseball bat anti-meme consent response (gore/blood, violence, consent, attack, allahu akbar, reply, response, based, pedo)
File:Hateyourself.png|"You should hate yourself" NPC (MAP Flag, cope, seethe, pedo, hebephilia, self concept, ego - [[:File:Hateyourself.png|Chinese translation]] inside)
File:Bluherinnerbattlefield.png|Reaction formation in antis (antis, haters, quote, response, reply, zoophile, self loathing, reaction, projection, denial, psychological)
File:Fbi.jpg|FBI anti-meme response (fed, feelings, offended, hurt, feelz, feds, police report, reply, response, haters, law enforcement, alphabet agencies)
File:Sfascist.gif|'''(GIF)''' Sex fascist clairvoyant "nonce" comeback (paranormal, spirit, reader, fortune, mystic, antis, reply, response, haters, nonce, pedophile, paedo)
File:Orcgif.gif|'''(GIF)''' VAR decision "nonce" comeback (football, soccer, orc, decision, antis, reply, response, haters, nonce, pedophile, paedo)
File:Sponge.png|Stigma on pedophiles ok, no stigma on child wage slavery ok (antis, haters, taboo, stigmas, pedophile, map, spongebob, rights, child labor, consumer, hypocrisy)
File:FPGlITUWYAkbGCV.jpg|Call him a pedo (sheeple, normies, conservatives, ad hominem, defamation, debate, response, reply, facts, social media, twitter logic)
File:964aed6d03b0e59a.png|Everything I don't like is pedophilia (for dummies, pedo hating, ad hominem, debate, response, reply, social media, emotional, twitter logic)
File:269.jpg|Hypocrisy on child protection vs exploitation (sheeple, normies, reply, response, hypocrisy, conformity)
File:FHoD725WYAE3DSC.jpg|The real intentions of "seek therapy" (antis, haters, pedophile, map, mental health, services, rights, get help, mhp, ableism, illness, validity, nomap, virped, pedmed, hypocrisy)
File:Therapy.png|Telling a MAP to seek therapy (antis, haters, pedophile, map, mental health, services, rights, get help, mhp, b4uact, degenerate, nomap, virped, pedmed)
File:FGyKNkMXoAI7qbi.jpg|Polarizing topic (born this way, native, immutable, pedophilia, map, hypocrisy, sjws, normies, social justice, woke, lgbt, gay)
File:Orcbrain.jpeg|Pedo hater: Orc (response, reply, antis, red flag, woodchipper, nazi, fascist, groomer, caveman, hansen, monster, zombie, neanderthal, moron)
File:Antis.jpg|Antis creating their own monsters (antis, haters, nomap, pedophile, map, virped, pedmed, hypocrisy)
File:CSAexpert.png|CSA doesn't make you CSA expert (doctor, survivor, expert, arbitrary, science, minor-adult sex, abuse, trauma, fallacy, debate, reply, response)
File:Chudj2.png|Soylita/wholesome soyjak couple (antis, haters, consent, her body, her choice, lolita, seethe, wojak)
File:Pedisevil.jpg|Source: Pedophilia is evil (online debate, fallacy, response, reply, chad, facts, social media, twitter logic)
</gallery>

====Responding to Western Hypocrisy====

Criticism of overbearing and sometimes absurd anglo-american moral and legal norms has been a mainstay of MAP memes.

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File:Main-qimg.jpg|Stigma against currently lawful age-gap relationships. (hypocrisy, cultural, western, jealousy, female regret, age apartheid)
File:TechGiants.png|Tech Giants' Media Manipulation re. Child protection (hypocrisy, csa, ngos, trafficking, cultural, western, nonwestern, india, minor-adult sex, journalism, distortion, bias, standpoint)
File:Random.jpg|Western Arrogance with AoC (western, nonwestern, consent, elites, government, age, laws, sex)
File:FJzBuknXEAMnGhh.png|Elites laugh at Sex Offender Registry (elites, politicians, register, registry, rso, law, legal, insane, madness)
File:Doctor.jpg|Playing doctor shouldn't get you put on the registry (register, american, western, registry, rso, law, legal, insane, minors, kids, boy, madness)
File:Beachmeme.png|Volleyball girls - most men would find attractive (hypocrisy, child, adult, teen, consent, americans, age, 18, absurd)
File:FHzQh3LagAAQ9H7.png|Most people's idea of pedophilia (hypocrisy, cuck, child, teen, adult, consent, autonomy, americans, agency, age, 18, pedophile, simping, white knight)
File:Hebetruth.jpg|Most Men are Hebephilic/Ephebophilic, they just can't admit it (hypocrisy, circlejerk, cuck, child, teen, adult, consent, americans, age, 18, pedophile, simping, white knight)
File:Westerners17.png|How Westerners think biology works (western, nonwestern, hypocrisy, child, adult, teen, arousal, attraction, americans, age, 18, absurd)
File:Zombie.png|American/Western standards on children and nudity (innocence, media, tv, movies, children, america, indecent, nipple)
File:Usapedo.jpg|In America, everybody calls each other a pedo (ok pedo, antis, reply, response, defamation, america moment)
File:Changemymind.jpg|SOR a waste of money - response to "change my mind" (ok pedo, registry reform, reply, response, offending, offender)
File:ualization.png|Sexualization with Hijab and Bikini (nudity, children, protection, americans, western, hysteria, psychotic, neurosis, clothing, make-up, hypocrisy, grooming)
File:AnimeBan.png|Anime Ban proposal showing arrogance of the West (anime, lolicon, proship, drawings, art, americans, western, nonwestern, hysteria, hypocrisy, imperialism)
File:Untitled439.png|Dignitaries sit back and enjoy a display by lolis (hypocrisy, pedo, minor attraction, politician, duda, polish, ballet, artistic, dance, trolling)
File:What is statutory rape.png|What is statutory rape?
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===Responding to Conservatives (and their hypocrisy)===

Conservative hostility to MAPs has been a feature of many historical cultures, but formed as a visible movement in the 1970s, with campaigns from [[Moral panic|Anita Bryant]], [[Wikipedia:Mary Whitehouse|Mary Whitehouse]], [[Lloyd Martin]] and [[Judianne Densen-Gerber]] among others. The [https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/chud "Chud"] wojak (''Chudjak'') is a mainstay of conservative depictions in present-day meming, and has sometimes been used to ridicule conservative [[anti]]-MAPs.

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File:GpzrE4dWIAIxUTn.jpg|LGB without the TQ+ (gay assimilationist, no pedo, gays against groomers, trans, TERF, homo, queer, degenerate)
File:GpzkprCawAAy J2.jpg|LGB without the TQ+ (gay assimilationist, no pedo, gays against groomers, trans, TERF, homo, queer, degenerate)
File:5F9BCB5A-61FC-4C61-987D-FE2EE37B9FE2.jpeg|Rome at its peak (trolling, chud, chad, antis, trad, history, humor, ridicule)
Chudbehavior.png|Chud behavior (trolling, pedo hunters, antis, kill all pedos, humor, ridicule, woodchipper)
File:8813244113c26fe2.png|Passing down hate via adjacency anxiety - Arden, MAPSupport (maga, gay, LGBT, degenerate, trans, map, pedo, groomer)
File:Norfc.png|Norf FC nonce series (refers to British working class culture) (chud, hunter, paedo, football, soccer, fan - [[:File:Norfc.png|series inside]])
File:Catboy.jpg|Chudjak therapy (trolling, chud, freudian, antis, kill all pedos, humor, catboy, tiktok, ridicule, woodchipper)
File:Yessss.png|"Yes" to chud with infertile wife. (based, chads, pedophilia, lolis, cunny, lolipiller, cope, seethe, copium, hebephilia)
File:Groomer86.jpg|Grooming...according to who? (hypocrisy, groomer, conservatives, trans, bodily autonomy, choice, lgbt)
File:Slut2.png|Sex Fascists through the ages (hypocrisy, gay, lgbt, history, historical, slut shaming, female, modesty, prudery)
File:Averagepedophobe.jpg|Pedo chad vs Pedophobe conspiracy theorist (cunny, trolling, map, pedo, hebephile, lolis, jew, dads against predators, guns)
File:378.jpg|/pol/ hypocrisy on drawn child erotica (normies, conservatives, woodchipper, reply, response, hypocrisy, lolicon, fiction, proship, lolbertarian, redpill, bluepill, censorship, canceled)
File:FQUw6PLXoA48YBF.jpg|Conservatives are for free speech, but not for MAPs (sheeple, normies, conservatives, woodchipper, reply, response, hypocrisy, liberals, libertarian, lolbertarian, red blue pill, censorship, canceled)
File:matthew.png|St Nicholas/Matthew Christian trigger meme (reply, response, gay, boys, maps, trigger, bait, troll, santa claus, christmas, christian, religion)
File:Bible_verses.jpg|Pedophobic Christians didn't read the Bible (christianity, religion, conservatives, table, reply, response, hypocrisy, red pill, lies, red blue pill)
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====Progress and Normalization====

A common claim of conservative [[anti]]-MAPs is that we are seeing a covert agenda of "pedophile [[MAPocalypse|normalization"]]. While this optimistic outlook does not match the lived experience of most MAPs, we have seen memes and graphics that play with the idea by situating MAPs within the broader liberal paradigm of "social progress", or unapologetically attempt to normalize attraction to minors.

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File:4976b11a-3981-47d1-8a95-575a24866eed.png|Progress don't make me tap the sign variation (gay, homosexual, LGBT, slavery, mental illness)
File:Magicisl.png|Magic Island (clinton, maxwell, epstein, lolita, podesta, pizzagate)
File:747.jpg|Slippery slope extended (gay, lgbtq, sjw, woke, based, progressive, homo, incrementalism, maga, groomer, boomer, response, reply)
File:075.jpg|We'll never let you... (gay, lgbtq, sjw, woke, based, progressive, homo, incrementalism, women, civil, maga, groomer, boomer, response, reply)
File:Alok.jpg|Alok Vaid-Menon Quote: "little girls are also kinky" (girls, innocence, kink, trigger, bait, conservatives, americans, queer, children, trans, straight, purity, modesty, innocent, pure)
File:Progress.png|That's how progress works (trolling, surreal, humor, ridicule, progressive)
File:Ourcrazyworld.jpg|Our Crazy World (cartoon, map, progress, gay, civil rights, humor, mapocalypse, normalization)
File:Cantorincludep.png|James Cantor - Add P to alphabet (sexuality, pedophilia, include the p, minor attraction, lgbt, gay, queer, maps, identitarian, researcher, quote, trigger/bait)
File:FHeCpC5XIAkE9Xx.jpg|Offensively realistic take on an age-gap relationship (girl, teen, maps, minor-adult sex, age gap, love, taboo, bait, troll)
File:Ipceconf.png|[[Ipce]] power point presentation, girl at podium (hebephilia, pedo, minor attraction, science, trolling)
File:Lolihebe.jpg|Hebe lolis w/ table showing response levels (graph, table, study, sexual arousal, troll, bait, attraction, age, pedophilia, hebephilia, girls, plethysmograph - this is adapted from the notorious [[:File:Halletal.jpg|fake Russian infomeme]])
File:Groomer.png|Grooming a girl with better-known MAP infomemes (groomer, troll, bait, children, ok groomer, abuser, kinsey, study, indoctrination - this meme refers to a [[:File:Adultadult2.png|Kinsey data meme]], and there is also an [[:File:Groomer.png|alt version referring to the adjacent russian meme]])
File:FXtPN01aQAEPj6C.jpg|Response to attractive girl, in denial (hypocrisy, pedo, minor attraction, trolling)
File:Ilovelolis.png|I love Lolis Chad (cunny, trolling, map, pedo, hebephile)
File:Shareifyoulovekids.jpg|Share if you love kids (trolling, minor attraction, map, aam)
File:Imagecp.png|Enjoy CP (cola, american, cunny, lolis, trolling, map, pedo, hebephile)
</gallery>

===Responding to Liberals/Leftists (and their hypocrisy)===

Liberal and Leftist points of view are varied on the topic of MAPs, but tend to range from mild disapproval, thru denial, to silenced embarrassment in the face of hearty conservative uproar. Often, MAPs (who have benefitted from collaboration with gay leftist movements in the past) are left by would-be allies to a fate determined solely by political optics. Thus, liberal and leftist discourses on MAPs sometimes refer to the questionable concept of social ''(in)validity'', something the LGBT section also addresses.

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File:Conversiontherapy.png|LGBT vs MAP conversion therapy - liberal [[pro-recovery]] response (pedophile, response, reply, comeback, map, lib, medical, hypocrisy, coping, mentally ill, therapy, get help, gay, lgbt)
File:Abortionrape.png|Abortion vs Rape - Liberal Hypocrisy (abortion, religion, conservative, liberal, consent, ageism, youth, rights, adult)
File:FPXhdRSX0AEVeQ2.jpg|Anarchist Chads on Pedophilia in Queer Theory (normie, npc, conservatives, anarchism, queer, pedophilia, theory, dumb, homophobia, bigot)
File:Femgirl.png|Fembot vs Teen Girl (agency, consent, autonomy, services, protection, child, teen, shock, disgust, hypocrisy, feminism, leftism, radfem, feminazi)
File:Ussraoc.png|Inconvenient USSR Age of Consent (trolling, russia, anarchist, anarcho communist, communism, commie, marxist)
File:Soyjakparty.png|From soyjak.party (liberal, leftist, lgbt, coom, soy, gay, progress, pride, MAPs, mapphobia)
File:Wikipedos.png|Wikipedia has a suite of articles on Raytheon, but deletes an article on CSA prevention, then burns the redirect (wikipedia, censor, hypocrisy, MAP, wojak, jimbo)
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====Responding to the LGBT Lobby (and its hypocrisy)====

[[Validity Policing]] and hypocrisy from the LGBT Lobby is a common experience of online MAPs. This follows expedient political maneuvres in the 1980s and 90s, in which the LGBT Lobby [[Historical examples of LGBT-MAP unity|responded to conservative anti-MAP scare campaigns]] by distancing MAPs. See also, some of the responses to Liberals.

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File:Lgbgender.png|LGBT Community can't move beyond trans issues on youth autonomy (lgbt, gay, trans, nonbinary, groomer, lgbtq, gender, youth, autonomy)
File:Gays-phobes.png|Gay hypocrisy re whataboutism over argument from nature/history (hypocrisy, gay, lgbt, irrational, slavery, barbaric, anger, nature, animals, historical, anthropological, homophobes, greece, pederasty)
File:Valpol.png|The Validity Police (lgbt, gay, pride, hypocrisy, policing, lgbtq, age appropriate, development - [[:File:Valpol.png|alternative versions inc. Transage inside]])
File:Antibadguy.png|Anti Bad Guy Squad (hypocrisy, gay, lgbtq, sjw, woke, invalid, validity, homo - ([[:File:Antibadguy.png|no-color version inside]]))
File:Mapgymnastics.png|MAP vs LGBT Mental Gymnastics (reply, response, rationalization, logic, fallacy, npc, gay, queer, sjw, argument, pedophile, minor-attracted)
File:Sheep copy.png|People whose definition of "Queer" is "anything acceptable" (reply, response, bait, queer, sjw, npc, woke, identitarian, identity, midwits, pedophilia, maps, gay rights, lgbt, normies - ([[:File:Sheep copy.png|series inside]]))
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===Responding to [[Lolicon]]s (and their hypocrisy)===

While some find it tiring, a [[Lolicon-MAP Equivalence Debate]] is ongoing throughout civilian political circles on social media. The following memes typify the MAP response to Western Lolicons who mobilize [[Proship|shipping]] discourse to deny they are attracted to youth.

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File:7deadbc2-3c7d-42b7-9f55-e0fa8e71b7e5.png|Age old and demented lolicon soothed by carer (lolicons, ironic, proship, fiction, porn, drawings, art, pedophilia, hebephilia, denial)
File:LoliMeme.jpg|Pointing to the hypocrisy of Lolicons (proship, fiction, child porn, lolicon, japanese, drawings, art, hypocrisy, pedophilia, cope, hebephilia - [[:File:LoliMeme.jpg|alternative inside re. plethysmograph test]])
File:FHQcxJbUUAADrQH.jpg|Bell curve on lolicon (proship, fiction, child porn, lolicon, japanese, npc, normie, midwit, drawings, art, cope, cognitive development, ability, capacity, brain, IQ, age, pedophilia, hebephilia - [[:File:FHQcxJbUUAADrQH.jpg|alternative versions]], inc re. mental capacity and elite pedophilia inside)
File:Fqk0qqmXgAgRp4j.jpg|Caricature of ironic lolicons (proship, fandom, fictosexual, fiction, child porn, lolicon, japanese, drawings, art, hypocrisy, pedophilia, trannies, trans, troon)
File:Cunnycave.png|Cunny cave (lolicons, ironic, proship, fiction, porn, drawings, art, pedophilia, hebephilia, denial)
File:117 - artist chicken thoughts artist chizu bird cracker ironic lolicon type comic edit.png|Chizu Lolicon "bird cracker edit" (lolicons, ironic, proship, fiction, porn, drawings, art, japanese, antis, pedophilia, hebephilia, denial)
File:FJffEqJXMAA2mnj.jpg|Pedos vs Lolicons (proship, fiction, child porn, lolicon, japanese, doctor, drawings, art, chad, cope, hypocrisy, pedophilia, hebephilia)
File:549iugbjkn34908r54.png|Algorithmic programmed response in lolicon and normie npc (proship, fiction, child porn, lolicon, japanese, drawings, art, cope, hypocrisy, ironics, pedophilia, hebephilia)
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===Redeploying hostile discourses===

A considerable part of online MAP discourse centers on the redeployment of predominant elitist, authoritarian and extremist narratives sometimes used to attack MAPs. While this has led to the embarrassment and triggering of [[anti]]s on social media, it is worth noting that some members of the community are ethically opposed to the idea of adopting problematic ideas inconsistent with personal, theoretical conceptions of social justice. These concerns have also been voiced in situations where MAPs enter "enemy territory" and unironically imitate disruptive/contrarian members of another group, such as [[Wikipedia:Groypers|4Chan Groypers]].

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File:Anti.png|Purposeful and smart Pedophiles vs Antis (pedos, pedophiles, maps, history, based, antis, haters, sex fascists, troll, bait)
File:Pedonoblememe.jpg|Pedophile/NOMAP of noble grace (reply, response, pedmed, virped, acnomap, virtuous, minor-attracted, map, virtue, antis, moron, idiot, cuck, asshole)
File:FgX2SHUUAAAL3Ij.jpg|Historical "pedophiles" (using broader popular definition) (pedos, pedophiles, maps, history, famous, wilde, response, troll, bait)
File:Uspepe.png|Pepe Wikipedia meme intended for use on 4Chan - Feminism and [[Age of Consent]] reformism (groyper, redpill, 4chan, puritan, reformism, frog)
File:Patriot4.png|Response meme re. PatriotWave's famous Kill Your Local Pedophile memes and bumper stickers etc - (guns, police, agecuck, conservative, reply, violent, vigilante, trolling, militia - [[:File:Patriot4.png|a few more variations inside]])
File:Sexfash.jpg|Cure for sex fascism (ok pedo, antis, fascist, reply, response, bullet, gun)
File:Pedopho.jpg|Cure for sex pedophobia (ok pedo, antis, reply, response, bullet, gun)
File:MAGANazi.jpg|Modern American vs Original German (groomer, MAGA, Nazi, reply, response, cartoon, comparison)
File:knowyourantiped.jpg|Know your anti-pedophile types (pedophobes, chart, reply, response)
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===When MAPs met StoneToss===

Much has been [https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/StoneToss written] (and [https://web.archive.org/web/20210729193213/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Stonetoss unwritten]) about the controversial online political cartoonist, StoneToss. While our [[:File:Circumcision-surgery-stonetoss-comic.png|series file]] keeps track of various originals and knock-offs (originality can be [https://stonetoss.com/ verified] at the comic's site), a few examples follow. It should be noted that some members of the community found the very idea of copying StoneToss as a style problematic and offensive, due to the views of its creator.

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File:Cunneh.png|Fake Stonetoss - Legalize cunny (libertarian, marijuana, hemp, hashish, cannabis, 420, child porn, cunny, loli, erotica, internet)
File:FX n5peVUAENkB3.png|Stonetoss.com debuts the [[MAP Flag]] and [[Pedophobia|Pedovan]] (lgbt, gay, pride, degeneracy, groomer, lgbtq activism, predator, free candy)
File:Circumcision-surgery-stonetoss-comic.png|Stonetoss.com - Series file, LGBT responses, etc (lgbt, gay, pride, hypocrisy, sjw, cognitive capacity, brain development, di caprio, child porn, consent, lgbtq activism, age appropriate - [[:File:Circumcision-surgery-stonetoss-comic.png|more such comics inside]])
File:170 - artist chizu artist stonetoss format stonetoss edit.png|Stonetoss: Chizu ''Lolicons are Pedophiles'' edit (lolicons, ironic, proship, fiction, porn, drawings, art, japanese, antis, pedophilia, hebephilia, denial)
</gallery>

===Quotes and Miscellany===

The below memes can be applied to the debates covered on this page, and many more besides.

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File:Hwwouldyoulike.jpg|How would you like your state surveillance wrapped? (sheeple, normies, conservatives, liberals, online, reply, response, hypocrisy, lolbertarian, censorship, canceled)
File:1756905544839.png|I love kids vs gender (normie, chad, trad, male, female, discourse, contradiction, hypocrisy)
File:Trojan_horse.jpg|CSA trojan to breach encryption laws (data protection law, technology, surveillance, ignorance, governments, cynical, hidden, conspiracy, horse, internet, protect)
File:Cancel Culture.png|Cancel culture: Then vs now (sheeple, normies, conservatives, history, 1950s, liberals, red blue pill, censorship, canceled)
File:Censorshipmartin.png|George R. R. Martin: What Censorship tells us (quote, canceled, red blue pill, censor, liberal, conservative, politics, media, free speech, freedom)
File:It is easier to fool people.jpg|[[Mark Twain]]: It's easier to fool people... (sheeple, normies, quote, denial, psychological, mechanism, mental, conformity, debate, social media, facts and feelings)
File:Prostitution- giving orgasms shouldn't be a crime.jpg|George Carlin - on Prostitution (selling sex, quote, morality, rational, sex work, prude, conservative, debate, bias, sheeple, normies)
File:Better Science.jpg|What does refute science? (research, facts, science, social media, debate, bias, sheeple, religion, feelings, normies)
File:Trust the Scientists.jpg|Trust scientists rather than randoms (warning, research, facts, science, social media, twittards, debate, bias, sheeple, normies)
File:Science vs Social Media.jpg|Real science vs Social Media "science" (warning, research, facts, distorted, media, education, debate, bias, sheeple, normies)
File:Conformity.png|Conformity hazard (warning, research, facts, debate, feelings, sheeple, normies)
File:204 - tagme.png|Effects of ad hom argument strategy (debate, personal, logic, unintended, minority, sheeple, normies)
File:283 - tagme.jpg|Sampling bias, effect on outcomes (statistics, rational, facts, science, logic, npc, sheeple, normies)
File:FUv8RZDWIAcd6wt.jpg|Reasonable people in the minority (warning, rational, facts, debate, bias, social media, feelings, sheeple, normies)
File:FcxaCdKX0AEhopp.jpg||Drew Keys Quote: Smear Campaigns (mental instability, sjw attack, social media, debate, reply, twittard, response)
File:Baseddep.jpg|Based department calling! (based, kek, pepe, compliment, reply, response)
</gallery>

==Informational memes==

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File:MapsAreDeviant guy1 ar5-2-QR-Code text3 v2 resized.jpg|MAPs Are Deviant - part of the [[Invalid Impact Poster Campaign]] (map flag, provocative, mu)
File:Orig.png|MAP Flag Explainer without anti-c disinfo (minor attracted, flag, explainer, guide, info)
File:Minorsbeware.png|Minors Beware (red flags): (antis, warning, minors, consent, advice, youth, guide)
File:22 - anti-map flag artist drugar educational sources.png|Drugar literacy campaign for antis (minor-adult sex, academia, reading, knowledge, trolling, research, literature, study, facts)
File:Pandfeminism.png|Pedophilia and Feminism (first wave, second wave, third wave, womens, youth rights, judith butler)
File:The Truth About 'CP'(5).png|What you need to know about [[Child Pornography]] (kp, cp, kiddy, porn, porno, erotica, photographs, crime, csam, kinderporno, csai, lolita - [[:File:The Truth About 'CP'(5).png|Chinese translation inside]])
File:Kaaaren.png|Karen confronts CP (kp, cp, kiddy, porn, porno, erotica, photographs, crime, csam, kinderporno, csai, lolita, pornography, research, quotes - [[:File:Kaaaren.png|Italian translation inside]])
File:Ncmec.png|NCMEC [[Iatrogenesis]] (kp, cp, kiddy, porn, porno, erotica, photographs, crime, csam, kinderporno, csai, lolita, pornography, research, secondary harm, quotes)
File:Scapegoat.png|MAP Scapegoat - compared with Jews, Witches (gays, lgbt, blacks, jew, pedophilia, minor attraction, stereotyping, maps, status, persecution, bogeyman, pariah, witchhunt - [[:File:Scapegoat.png|series inside]])
File:Truthaboutm.jpg|Truth about MAPs (addresses myths) (sexuality, pedophilia, hebephilia, ephebophilia, nepiophilia, maps, accuracy, nomap, pedmed, virped, acnomap, facts, stigma, destigmatization [[:File:Truthaboutm.jpg|Chinese translation in file]])
File:MDEdge.png|MDEdge definition of minor-attraction (sexuality, pedophilia, hebephilia, ephebophilia, nepiophilia, maps, definition, accuracy, nomap, pedmed, virped, acnomap, stigma, destigmatization)
File:Chronorange.png|Seto definition of minor-attractions and chronophilias (sexuality, pedophilia, hebephilia, ephebophilia, nepiophilia, maps, definition, accuracy, nomap, pedmed, virped, acnomap, stigma, destigmatization)
File:Peddef.png|Simple response to misdefinition of p(a)edophilia (sexuality, hebephilia, pedophilia, minor attraction, definition, dictionary, psychology, accuracy)
File:The CSA-Industry.png|CSA Industrial Complex: Criminalization (Social-Economic Model) (sociology, politics, institutions, establishment, elites, money, profit, complex, relationship, chart, medicine, influence, organization)
File:The CSA-Industrial Complex.png|CSA Industrial Cycle (Social-Economic Model) (sociology, politics, institutions, elites, money, profit, establishment, complex, relationship, chart, diagram, influence, organization)
File:CSA Is Similar(1).png|CSA similarities to treatment of Homosexuals (gay history, treatments, conversion, survivors, therapy, apa, psychology, therapist)
File:Socio.png|Sociopolitical Model: Marginialization of Sexual Minorities (maps, sociology, politics, pariah, newgon, othering, bipartisan, ostracism, social, class)
File:Pseudo-e-t.png|Pseudoexclusive Teleiophilia (a new concept) (sexuality, hebephilia, pedophilia, minor attraction, seto, freund, newgon, science, psychology, trigger/bait)
File:The Myth of “Pedophilia OCD” (800 × 1000 px).png|"[[Pedophilia themed OCD]]" Debunk (sexuality, pocd, hebephilia, pedophilia, minor attraction, fake illness, shrinks, obsessive compulsive, mental, health, newgon, arousal, science, psychology, cope)
File:Primary.png|Most Child Rape is perpetrated by non-pedophiles (sexuality, pedophilia, assault, minor attraction, maps, crime, nomap, pedmed, virped, acnomap, stigma, destigmatization)
File:ACMAPWEAKNES.png|Weaknesses of an exclusive ACNOMAP/Medicalist agenda (pedmed, virpeds, pedophilia, minor attraction, maps, strategy, destigmatization)
File:Prevalence.jpg|Pedophilia [[Research: Prevalence|prevalence]] card, no link (sexuality, pedophilia, common, research, maps, minor-attraction, facts, stats, statistics, numbers)
File:Tac.png|Toxic Age Chauvinism (ageism, ableism, youth lib, youth rights, cognitive ability, research, quote, mental, teen brain)
File:Secoharm.png|Secondary Harm explainer (study, academia, secondary, trauma, harm, quote, paper, report, outcomes, csa, minor-adult sex - [[:File:SecNewColor.png|see full series]])
File:patterns45.png|Similar patterns between homosexuality and pedophilia (parrelel, similar, comparison, analogy, minor attraction, gay, queer, lgbt, western, nonwestern, animals, tribal, anthropological, cultural)
File:Pedodisorder2.png|Lecter: Pedophilic Disorder distinction ("inborn" is disputable, and the author has since evolved a less medicalist stance but the distinction is important) (sexuality, pedmed, virped, acnomap, pedophilia, minor attraction, native, science, psychology, innate, immutable, disorder, dsm)
File:Prevent.png|Prevent MAPs from accessing minors? Why not prevent physical abuse survivors while we are at it? (sexuality, neglect, hebephilia, risk, access, pedophilia, minor attraction, seto, freund, science, psychology)
B4u-mapflag.jpg|Suicide Stats (MAPs) (sexuality, pedophilia, minor attraction, death, pedmed, virped, nomap, acnomap, depression, despair, psychology, research, B4U-Act, standpoint - [[:File:B4CnEdit.png|Chinese translation]])
File:Thoughtsuppresion.png|Thought Suppression take (MAP Resources) (psychology, pedophilia, minor attraction, maps, pedmed, virped, nomap, acnomap, depression, despair, psychology, research)
File:Blackmales.png|Logic of antis vs crime statistics: Put a curfew on Black Men, see also, [[Media:Mailore.png|police officers]]: far stronger predictive strength for offending (sexuality, african american, hebephilia, risk, access, pedophilia, minor attraction, seto, science, psychology)
File:Mentaldisorder.png|"Mental disorders" according to psychiatry (sexuality, hebephilia, disorder, psychiatry, trans, illness, history, pedophilia, minor attraction, mental, science, psychology, analogy, similar)
File:Academia-controversy.jpg|What people's insistence on getting offended by academics proves (academia, hysteria, kershnar, controversy, offence, triggered, csa, science, lies, defense mechanism, projection, denial, walker, psychology, abuse, philosophy)
File:Lievreorthodoxy.png|Dan Lievre (Newgon Founder): Social Justice Orthodoxy makes no sense on MAPs (useful when dealing with charges that the MAP Movement is "woke". Tags: sexuality, hebephilia, validity, woke, quote, sjw, history, social theory, pedophilia, minor attraction, identitarianism, politics)
File:animalHebe1.png|Intergenerational sex among Primates with citation (animals, study, practise, rind/yuill, minor-adult sex, academic, observation, science, monkeys, species, learning)
File:Bonobos.png|[[Research: Intergenerational Sexual Behaviors in Animals|Bonobo Juveniles/infants]] enjoying sex play (animals, study, academic, practise, minor-adult sex, observation, science, monkeys, species, learning)
File:BonoHuman.png|Human-Bonobo-Chimp finer comparison (animals, cognitive capacity, capability, minor-adult sex, science, animals, monkeys, species, learning)
File:Karen-innocence.png|A Karen confronts [[Debate Guide: Childhood innocence|childhood innocence]] (quote, study, academia, innocent, teens, children, crazy, hysteria, boomers, facebook)
File:Rind.jpg|20+ year-old [[Rind et al|Rind]] Paradox (see more in [[Research]] and the [[Index of Excerpt Gallery Libraries|excerpt graphics]]) (study, academia, controversy, unanswered, paper, report, trauma, harm, outcomes, csa, minor-adult sex)
SRcombined.png|Statutory rape is a legal fiction (law, minor-adult sex, hysteria, madness, arbitrary, victim, victimless, consensual, crime)
File:StatDeath.png|Statutory Death parody (law, minor-adult sex, courtroom, funny, hysteria, madness, judge judy, arbitrary, victim, victimless, consensual, crime)
File:ChadVsSoy.jpg|CunnyChad vs Reddit Soyjak Mod (child-adult sex, based, minor-adult sex, academia, bruce rind, comparison, csa, data, analysis, quant, consenting, voluntary)
File:Adultadult2.png|Kinsey Data ([[:File:Adultadult2.png|series inside]]) (research, minor-adult sex, academia, bruce rind, comparison, csa, data, analysis, quant, child, consenting, voluntary)
File:Lesbians.png|Modern Feminists disowning Lesbian History (Kinsey) (research, minor-adult sex, academia, bruce rind, comparison, csa, data, analysis, quant, child, consenting, voluntary)
File:Rind23.png|Rind 2023 data. (research, minor-adult sex, academia, bruce rind, comparison, csa, data, analysis, quant, child, consenting, voluntary)
File:Zarade.jpg|LGBT Outcomes: "Listen to LGBT Youth" For the papers by Sonya Arreola, Alex Carballo-Diéguez and Jessica Stanley, see DOI: 10.1080/00224490802204431, DOI: 10.1007/s10508-011-9748-y and DOI: 10.1080/00224490409552245 respectively. (research, minor-adult sex, academia, lgbt, comparison, gay, youth, analysis, data, quant, child, consenting, voluntary)
File:Dolphin2.png|Adult-juvenile sex among Dolphins (animals, minor-adult sex, juvenile, similar, analogy, species, science, observation)
File:Endthecycle.png|[[Debate Guide: Cyclical paternalism|Cyclical paternalism]] explainer (consent, minor-adult sex, knowledge, ignorance, innocence, self fulfilling prophecy, paternalism, adultism, ageism, adverse consequence - [[:File:Endthecycle.png|Italian translation inside]])
File:Self-fulfilling.png|Self-fulfilling prophecy of harm (minor-adult sex, minor-minor sex, csa, damage, kids, children, education, teach, indoctrination, americans, secondary harm - [[:File:Self-fulfilling.png|alternative inside]])
File:Goon2.png|[[Grooming]] riddle (hypocrisy, illogical, abuse, csa, language, minor-adult sex)
File:Grooming2.png|[[Grooming]] is circular logic (fallacy, ok groomer, abuse, csa, language, minor-adult sex, harm, trauma, damage)
File:GroomingReworked.png|Grooming vs Courtship (fallacy, ok groomer, abuse, hypocrisy, csa, language, minor-adult sex, harm, manipulation, trauma, media, damage) - [[:File:GroomingReworked.png|alternative inside with media headlines]])
File:Groomingncmec.png|Analysis of NCMEC/Lanning Report pathologizing banality (grooming, feds, fbi, ncmec, minor-adult sex, law, americans)
File:Legalityreality.jpg|Legal consent does not equal reality (rape, statutory, abuse, csa, language, minor-adult sex, laws, consent, rso)
File:trickery.png|Wordplay: what they really mean (rape, statutory, abuse, csa, language, minor-adult sex, consent, voluntary, harm, trauma, damage)
File:Nonfic.png|Nonfiction for MAPs (seen on [[pediverse]]) (reading, research, academia, minor attracted person, minor-adult sex, levine, brongersma, positive memories, trauma)
File:Abrahamic faiths.png|Abrahamic faiths on intergenerational intimacy (religion, research, texts, christianity, judaism, islam, abrahamic, summary, youth-adult marriage)
</gallery>

==Larger flyers==

<gallery mode=packed heights=400px style="text-align:left">
File:Lilystory.png|Narrative explaining the nonsense/unnatural concept of a consenting age (consent, minor-adult sex, law, legal, arbitrary, madness)
File:ConsentExamples.png|Consent explained with examples (consent, statutory, legal construct, minor-adult sex, law, arbitrary, madness, nonwestern - [[:File:ConsentExamples.png|Italian translation inside]])
File:AoCWestern.png|Age of Consent Flyer - Western examples (consent, purity, girls, minor-adult sex, law, legal, arbitrary, madness, nonwestern, western - [[:File:AoCWestern.png|Indian version inside]])
File:SecNewColor.png|Iatrogenic harm - comparison with other taboos (study, academia, secondary, trauma, harm, quote, paper, report, outcomes, csa, minor-adult sex - [[:File:SecNewColor.png|series inside]])
File:AMCleftist.jpg|Anti-MAP Crap (maps, fallacies, arguments refuted, antis, sex fascists, reply, response, minor attracted people)
File:Leftistpamphlet.png|Newgon-branded Pamphlet (from down the index) in Leftist Meme Style (maps, facts, accuracy, leaflet, propaganda, information, minor attracted people)
File:Childhood innocence.png|Childhood innocence explained (children, childhood innocence, innocence, purity, censorship, history, society, morality)

</gallery>

==Logical Fallacies series==

See our [[Debate Guide: Logical fallacies and intergenerational sexuality|Debate Guide]] article on the subject.

<gallery mode=packed heights=200px style="text-align:left">
File:Ad Populum.png|Ad Populum - Appeal to popularity (ad pop)
File:Ad Hominem.png|Ad Hominem - Personal attack (ad hom, ok pedo, ok groomer)
File:Authority Appeal.png|Appeal to authority
File:Equivocation.png|Equivocation - misleading with terminology (e.g. rape)
File:Genetic Fallacy.png|Genetic Fallacy
File:Guilt By Association.png|Guilt by association
File:Hasty Generalization.png|Hasty Generalization
File:Novelity Appeal.png|Appeal to novelty
File:Special Pleading 2 .png|Special pleading
File:Style Over Substance.png|Style over substance (tone)
File:Strawman.png|Strawman argument (raping babies argument)
File:Ad Nauseum 2.png|Ad Nauseum
</gallery>

==Positive memories==

Stories about positive memories from verified sources.

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==Anti-MAPs who were caught with their pants down==

There exist numerous examples of stridently anti-pedophile men, who themselves ended up being exposed for their [[Pedophilia|"pedophilic"]] and [[Hebephilia|"hebephilic"]] inclinations. These are sometimes used in online banter, and by [[MAP Movement|activists]].

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==Anti memes==

These memes have been produced by [[anti]]s (usually on Twitter or Facebook). You can use these memes to take advantage of hate and anger - spreading awareness of MAPs. Setting up an account as a hostile anti might actually be a way of ''avoiding'' censorship on certain platforms. It also gives us control over how the debate is "framed".

<gallery mode=packed heights=270px style="text-align:left">
File:Nosex.png|No sex please, we're children ([[:Image:Nosex.png|alternative versions inside]])
File:Pedoisland.png|Pedophile Island
File:Pedonorm.png|Normalizing Pedophiles
File:GaG.png|[[Gays Against Groomers]]
File:BLACKPROP1.png|Attacks the shift in language, mentions Newgon
File:BLACKPROP2.png|Mentions [[Minor Attracted Person]] euphemism and researchers
File:AMERIPROP.png|Mentions [[Minor Attracted Person]] euphemism and cultural background
File:FPSIc0qWUAA-Y60.jpg|Very smart meme using trans bodily autonomy vs freedom of youth to have sexual experiences
File:Blackprop1.jpg|The plan to legalize
File:GK0nE01aIAInvoc.jpg|More normalization
File:Paedoagends.jpg|The Paedophile agenda - accuses LGBT
File:Hebepedo.png|Hebephile/Pedophile distinction irrelevant to antis
File:FQo-G4gUcAI-kI7.jpg|OK Groomer
File:Antigroom.jpg|Antigroom Aktion
File:Gunishment.gif|'''(GIF)''' They don't deserve punishment, they deserve GUNISHMENT!
File:Ladypee.jpg|Have you never seen a LADY pee?!
File:1648647292071.jpg|And then one day, people voted for Hitler
File:1676641606100796.png|Fact checking the fact checkers
File:1659055468592612.jpg|LGBT groomers, therapist, freudian
File:Genderpop.png|Conservatives think kids are being made to suck she-dick (or something like that)
File:Cringe.png|LGBT agenda is the devil
File:Secretcodes.png|Pronouns are basically pedophilia code
File:Normaliz.jpg|Shared by Dr David Cartland on Twitter
File:Meds.png|Conspiracy, normalization, mentions Newgon
File:GMafHq5XgAAuCuE.jpg|Left trying to normalize
File:GMbv5nkXUAA41De.jpg|Progress from Gay via Trans to Pedo rights
File:Wokely.jpg|Only children can read "porn"
</gallery>

==Basic material==

<gallery>
File:Iliveagain.jpg|By Iliveagain ([[Pediverse|fediverse]])
File:HJ.png|By HandsomeJack
File:Bearbase.png|Basic Pedobear art (transparent surround)
Pbear.png|Brown Pedobear (transparent surround)
File:Untitled-1.png|Alternative [[Virtuous Pedophiles|Virped]] Logo ([[:File:Untitled-1.png|alternative versions]] inside)
</gallery>

==Posters==

Some of the material we feature has been specifically designed to be used as posters on subway ads and similar formats.

*[[Invalid Impact Poster Campaign]]

==Pamphlets==

Our pamphlet, '''"Minor-Attracted People (MAPs), Just the facts"''', is intended to look like plain and dowdy propaganda (until you look inside). Previews and PDF available. You may have to experiment with "fitting to page width" or "scaling" to get the folds to go bang down the center, but we have done most of the work for you.

<Gallery>
File:Pamphletmapscale.png|Front
File:Pamphletmapscale2.png|Back
</Gallery>

'''[[Media:Pamphletmapscale.pdf|Download full PDF]]'''

===Pamphleteering===

We have a short [[Pamphleteering|guide on pamphleting]], and some of our older material is still archived there. Hopefully, this will be an inspiration for future efforts, or reworking of old material.

=='zines==

See also [[list of MAP-related magazines]].

<gallery heights="200px" widths="200px">
File:Chdipsample.png|Challenging Dialogs front page (sample) - Art by [[Chuck Dodson]], PDFs: [[:Media:Chdip01.pdf|Challenging Dialogs p.1]], [[:Media:Chdip02.pdf|Challenging Dialogs p.2]], [[:Media:Chdip03.pdf|Challenging Dialogs p.3]]
</gallery>

==Media flyers==

These are small publications that can be emailed to target groups, such as media organizations, or sent to their social media accounts.

*[[Media:ContentDemo.pdf|Info Pack (2022) for media organizations]] - selling the controversy re minor-adult sex

==Notes==

[[Category:Promotional Media]]

File:What is statutory rape.png

2026-05-03T12:43:54Z

JJ1: added attribution

== Image text ==
Teenage woman: I consent.

Teenage man: I consent.

US government: We don't.

== Attribution ==
Kissing couple: ''[https://rumble.com/v2k2ehw-new-version-the-inequality-of-the-dating-market-its-even-more-over-now.html the inequality of the dating market - it's even more over now]'' by BlackPillJesus, 38:25.

US capitol: [[:commons:File:US_Capitol_west_side.JPG]]

File:What is statutory rape.png

2026-05-03T12:38:08Z

JJ1: == Image text == Teenage woman: I consent. Teenage man: I consent. US government: I don't. == Attribution == Kissing couple: US capitol: :commons:File:US_Capitol_west_side.JPG

== Summary ==
== Image text ==
Teenage woman: I consent.

Teenage man: I consent.

US government: I don't.

== Attribution ==
Kissing couple:

US capitol: [[:commons:File:US_Capitol_west_side.JPG]]

Pro-c

2026-04-26T22:27:14Z

JJ1: Replaced deleted source.

{{MAI}}__NOTOC__'''Pro-c''', ('''pro-[[consent]]/choice'''<ref>As documented in this article's excerpt image, Allyn Walker used "pro-choice" (to describe others) in 2021. The activist known as Dissident used this variant as early as [[:Category:Dissident's essays|2010 in essays]] and probably earlier on GirlChat. One point of interest, is that one or two MAPs have objected to this use, as it is an established term for those in favor of access to abortions, and is therefore seen to be "dishonest".</ref> or '''contact''') is a term used to describe a person - often a [[Minor Attracted Person|MAP]] or ally, as favoring the legalization or social acceptance of at least some minor-adult physical/sexual relations.

This contrasts with '''[[anti-contact]] (anti-c)''' beliefs, although in reality they exist on a spectrum, with many underpinning themes such as [[intrinsic harm]].<ref>[https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/0092623X.2025.2522664#d1e157 Lievesley et al, 2025. "Beyond Pro- and Anti-Contact: Understanding the Ideologies of People Attracted to Children']</ref> Within [[paraphilia]] and [[Proship|shipping/fiction]] circles, the term is used in reference to other inclinations such as Zoophilia.

The meaning of the term has become warped in extremist [[anti-contact|anti-c]] circles to mean "advocacy for unlawful sex with a minor". However, there are a range of pro-c positions:

*'''Pro law change/[[Essay:Pro-Reform: The Rational Middle Ground|reform]], pro-c (c-pro-c [neologistic - suggestion]).''' In this instance, a change in the law/social values is called for. This might be abolition or reform of [[Age of Consent]] laws, or non-prosecution at a set age, as per [[Ethos of Newgon|Newgon]].
**Celibacy (of minors and adults) might be called for. [[Ipce]] and [[Newgon]] currently pursue this goal.
**Responsibility - within a set of rules (for example, only acting if the [[Research: Secondary Harm|risk of social stigma]] is very low, or local laws permit an act) might be an option.
*'''Outright-pro-c (o-pro-c [neologistic - suggestion]).''' Holds that breaking the law is generally permissible, or even politically necessary [[Wikipedia:Illegalism|(Illegalism)]]. This is an incredibly rare position, and is to be found mostly through closed peer groups and the dark web. It is generally thought that an outright position defeats the purpose of activism, so this might be one reason why it is so rarely seen.

The 2016 research of [[Research: Prevalence|Bailey]] and also Jahnke in 2019<ref>[https://zaguan.unizar.es/record/79719/files/texto_completo.pdf Sara Jahnke & Agustín Malón (2019) How pedophilic men think about adult-child sex: effects of child gender and physical maturity, Psychology, Crime & Law, 25:1, 90-107, DOI: 10.1080/1068316X.2018.1503665]</ref> would appear to suggest that pro-c beliefs are not related to higher levels of offending. This is most likely because some pro-c positions are relatively moderate and pro-celibacy, while overstated anti-c beliefs can arise as a result of poor self-control and moral guilt.<ref>[https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6179944/ Rendina HJ, López-Matos J, Wang K, Pachankis JE, Parsons JT. The Role of Self-Conscious Emotions in the Sexual Health of Gay and Bisexual Men: Psychometric Properties and Theoretical Validation of the Sexual Shame and Pride Scale. J Sex Res. 2019 May-Jun;56(4-5):620-631.]</ref> Research might later be conducted to determine whether outright pro-c and outright anti-c beliefs are correlated with high frequency of adult-minor sexual contacts, whilst more moderate pro and anti-c positions are related to non-offending.

==Examples of nuance==

The myth of crude "pro contact" ethical positions among MAPs and adjacent individuals is disproven by basic observation of the online community. A few examples follow.

===[[Thomas O'Carroll|Tom O'Carroll]]===

Tom O'Carroll, author of ''Paedophilia: The Radical Case''<ref>[https://www.ipce.info/host/radicase/preface.htm Paedophilia: The Radical Case]</ref> and ''Michael Jackson's Dangerous Liaisons'', states the pro-c (or pro-reform) position succinctly. Reflecting on a legal case brought against him which divided the two brothers involved, Tom wrote:

<blockquote>
''When we defy the law we put children at grave risk of growing up feeling they '''must have been''' damaged – because our culture virulently insists it is so, on a daily basis – even when that is not how they felt at the time. Only in a culture which has changed so much that it is ready to accept more liberal laws will child-adult sexual relationships be ethically feasible. It is because I refuse to give up on that vision that I continue to write.<ref>''[https://heretictoc.com/2016/03/20/a-rare-escape-without-bribery-or-bloodshed Heretic TOC]</ref>
</blockquote>

===Ipce - [[Frans Gieles]]===

[[File:Walkerexc.png|thumb|[[Allyn Walker]] - A Long Dark Shadow - uses the "pro-choice" variant]]
[[Ipce]] has in the past welcomed anti-c, but also many pro-reform, pro-c academics and activists to real-life meetings. The Ipce secretary, Frans Gieles, a supporter of social and law reforms, states the following on behalf of Ipce:

<blockquote>
'''Having read''' the conclusions of the meta-analysis of the [[Rind et al|Rind]] c.s. team, that feelings afterward about sexual experiences during childhood can be summarized as

*1/3 positive, 1/3 neutral and 1/3 negative by boys,
*1/6 positive, 1/6 neutral and 2/3 negative by girls;

hereby supposing that ''neutral'' in many cases means ''ambivalent'';

'''having read that''' there are positive experiences as well as negative experiences;

'''having read''' that negative experiences may have caused harm;

'''we conclude''' as our ethical guidance: "First, do no harm!", followed by "and do not take the risk".<ref>[https://www.ipce.info/ipceweb/Statements/short_statement_about_ethics.html Ipce's delineation]</ref>
</blockquote>

===FreeSpeechTube===

'''[[FreeSpeechTube]].org''' was seen as a bastion of "pro-c" activism, yet posts alluding to a c-pro-c position are regularly upvoted considerably more than o-pro-c alternatives. This is yet further evidence of the nuances of pro-c MAP activist positions, and only a little searching is required to find many such examples of similar distinctions:

<blockquote>''Many of us realize that sexual interactions and pleasure are not innately harmful for any human to experience. Many of us understand that it is the context in which these experiences happen that causes harm. For instance, force, fraud, bribery, blackmail, pain etc. will all cause harm to the individual victim to it in a sexual relationship. Most people in general agree with this. ''[...]'' I believe this post is important to make as I do not want people to take my theoretical positive view of adult/child sexual relations as support, encouragement or promotion of such relationships in our current culture. I actively oppose such relationships in our current culture. ''[...]'' Most often these people will claim they were ignorant, tricked and deceived. They will then impart a selfishness upon the adult, that the adult just used them and didn't care about them. They instill shame on their past enjoyment and the memory becomes tainted. From this develops anxiety, depression, attachment issues and even PTSD. This would be considered sociogenic harm. Harm from society, from cultural norms. The harm was not from the relationship or actions but from social factors. ''[...]'' To put it bluntly, a little girl is not harmed because someone older than her stimulated pleasure receptive nerves between her legs as she giggled and said keep going. A little girl is harmed because of the gauntlet she is put through socially, therapeutically and legally for daring to share that pleasure with someone deemed too old (remember, if she does it herself or with someone about her age then all the professionals suddenly deem it fine and normal).This is why I oppose adult/child sexual relationships in practice.''<ref>[[Talk:Pro-c#FreeSpeechTube_post_"Chances_are%2C_they'll_grow_up_to_hate_you."_(freespeechtube.org%2Fv%2F15sJ)|Chances are, they'll grow up to hate you. Why I oppose adult/child sexual relations in practice. - Kaila_Breece, 16 August 2021]]</ref></blockquote>

==See also==
*[[Minor attracted community]]
*[[Research: Association or Causation]]

==References==

[[Category:Official Encyclopedia]][[Category:Cyber Activism]][[Category:Youth]][[Category:Terminology]][[Category:Terminology: MAP]][[Category:Terminology: Popular]]

Talk:Pro-c

2026-04-26T22:25:04Z

JJ1: /* FreeSpeechTube post "Chances are, they'll grow up to hate you." (freespeechtube.org/v/15sJ) */ new section

== FreeSpeechTube post "Chances are, they'll grow up to hate you." (freespeechtube.org/v/15sJ) ==

https://www.freespeechtube.org/v/15sJ

I got it from the Wayback Machine before they decided to Sorry the entire site.

<blockquote>
'''Chances are, they'll grow up to hate you. Why I oppose adult/child sexual relations in practice.'''

''Kaila_Breece, 16 August 2021''

Many of us realize that sexual interactions and pleasure are not innately harmful for any human to experience. Many of us understand that it is the context in which these experiences happen that causes harm. For instance, force, fraud, bribery, blackmail, pain etc. will all cause harm to the individual victim to it in a sexual relationship. Most people in general agree with this.

Our modern culture likes to add an additional factor, age. They claim that a big enough age difference causes harm. There is no truth to this, to be clear (and I will be making a post one day focusing on that), but there are issues that we, as pro-contact MAPs, have to be aware of due to this cultural norm.

I believe this post is important to make as I do not want people to take my theoretical positive view of adult/child sexual relations as support, encouragement or promotion of such relationships in our current culture. I actively oppose such relationships in our current culture.

They will grow up to hate you.

It is a very rare thing that a child grows up, after having sexual relations with an adult, and is perfectly fine with it. For the most part, if not found out by other parties, the first thing that happens is a re-contextualizing of their memories. Most people, whether they will admit it or not, do not want to go against the grain. Most people want to fit in well with society and culture. Most people get very uncomfortable going against dominant narratives. A child may enthusiastically and happily enjoy a sexual relationship with an adult but as they grow and social acceptance becomes more important, they are very likely to alter their perception of the past relationship. This is so it fits a social narrative, so they don't question an insanely powerful social stigma. Most often these people will claim they were ignorant, tricked and deceived. They will then impart a selfishness upon the adult, that the adult just used them and didn't care about them. They instill shame on their past enjoyment and the memory becomes tainted. From this develops anxiety, depression, attachment issues and even PTSD. This would be considered sociogenic harm. Harm from society, from cultural norms. The harm was not from the relationship or actions but from social factors.

Now, there is also the likely issue that the relationship gets out. See, if you are a kind MAP then you are not going to make threats or scare the child. There will be no "if you tell anyone I will hurt you" or any fear instilled into the situation (doing so will instill harm and you are a terrible person for doing so). Even if you ask the child to keep it a secret, kids love sharing things that excite them. Kids love taking about people and activities they love. It is very likely, at some point, the child is going to excitedly tell a friend, a teacher, a parent or someone about the fun game they play with one of their favorite adults. Once the cat is out of the bag, we have to deal with iatrogenic harm (there is still also sociogenic harm, especially from everyone telling the child they were abused). This is harm caused by medical professionals but in this case apples to therapists. The therapists job is to make sure the child feels harmed. That they "realize" they were abused. That the adult was an abuser and manipulated them, hurt them and lied to them. In essence, telling the child that they weren't truly loved but just used as an object. However, the harm from professionals does not end there. The police, courts and judges all contribute to this. Even after all this, seeing an adult they loved get put in prison is very harmful as well and the child will blame themselves.

To put it bluntly, a little girl is not harmed because someone older than her stimulated pleasure receptive nerves between her legs as she giggled and said keep going. A little girl is harmed because of the gauntlet she is put through socially, therapeutically and legally for daring to share that pleasure with someone deemed too old (remember, if she does it herself or with someone about her age then all the professionals suddenly deem it fine and normal).

This is why I oppose adult/child sexual relationships in practice. I will not say they will all end up like this, but the vast majority will. It is NOT worth the mental health and life of someone you love to have some moments of sexual pleasure. It simply is not worth it. We are intellectuals and we need to act as such.

The child will be harmed my friends, not directly by you... but you might as well have lit the fuse.
</blockquote>

[[User:JJ1|JJ1]] ([[User talk:JJ1|talk]]) 22:25, 26 April 2026 (UTC)

United Nations

2026-04-26T22:06:42Z

JJ1: Added article by "Human Stupidity".

__NOTOC__[[File:Incestinpeace.png|thumb|Typo on UN-Affiliated Twitter Account]]
The '''United Nations''' (abbreviated '''UN''') was formed after WW2 to promote world peace. Since that point, the UN, its agencies and consultative network have undergone considerable expansion towards sometimes esoteric and obscure bureaucratic purviews, including child protection.

==Of relevance to MAPs==

:''For a string of controversies, see [[UNICEF]].''

The UN and associated international NGOs such as [[ECPAT]] and [[UNICEF]] have been central in attempts to globalize the [[Research: Cognitive ability|unscientific]] concept of "all persons 0-18 being children, everywhere, at all times".<ref>[https://www.unicef.org/media/66731/file/Terminology-guidelines.pdf#396922.indd%3AA.1.%20Definitions%20in%20legally%20binding%20instruments%085%3A301 Terminology guidelines For the protection of children from sexual exploitation and sexual abuse]</ref> One notable aspect of the UN's recent campaigning on this topic has been a pivot towards using "violence against children", or "sexual violence" as opposed to "[[Child Sexual Abuse]]".<ref>[http://human-stupidity.com/stupid-dogma/teenage-sexuality/united-nation-manipulates-child-definition-to-persecute-men-17-year-old-children 17 year old "children"? United Nations confesses political manipulation of "child" definition]</ref>

Owing to its size, the UN has been caught up in numerous embarrassing controversies, for example including hundreds of allegations against peacekeeping staff who it appears had developed a culture of using child and youth sex workers.<ref>[https://apnews.com/article/africa-arrests-united-nations-only-on-ap-e6ebc331460345c5abd4f57d77f535c1 AP Exclusive: UN child sex ring left victims but no arrests]</ref>

===Anti-fiction positions===

In 2019, the UN issued updated guidelines on the implementation of the UNCRC's optional protocol on child exploitation. These included encouraging states to "include in their legal provisions regarding child sexual abuse material (child pornography) representations of non-existing children or of persons appearing to be children".<ref>[https://documents.un.org/doc/undoc/gen/g19/268/13/pdf/g1926813.pdf?token=IwAESzli1D53DlbEAc&fe=true Guidelines regarding the implementation of the Optional Protocol to the Convention on the Rights of the Child on the sale of children, child prostitution and child pornography (at 63.)]</ref>

===Positions on young people and tech===

In 2022, a PSA entitled "Playdate with a Predator"<ref>[https://fstube.net/w/36KtAtX7zs6tohTfNnKQYQ Playdate with a Predator]</ref> was released on social media by the UN's ''Global Partnership and Fund to End Violence Against Children'', in partnership with Microsoft, [[MAP visibility on Twitter|Twitter]], TikTok and Roblox. The short 30-second video, one of two PSAs, recycled [[Pedophobia|old tropes]] about "online pedophiles", including an appeal to gender ambiguity.

In 2021, a UNICEF publication concerning [[Research: The effects of pornography|the effects of pornography]] on young people<ref>[http://c-fam.org/wp-content/uploads/Digital-Age-Assurance-Tools-and-Childrens-Rights-Online-across-the-Globe.pdf Digital Age Assurance Tools and Children’s Rights Online across the Globe.] A Discussion Paper.</ref> caused a controversy,<ref>[https://tribuneonlineng.com/fact-check-did-unicef-say-blocking-childrens-access-to-pornography-constitute-human-rights-infringement/ Fact check on the porn controversy]</ref> by stating:

<blockquote>''There are several different kinds of risks and harms that have been linked to children’s exposure to pornography, but there is no consensus on the degree to which pornography is harmful to children.'' [...] ''As discussed above, the evidence is inconsistent, and there is currently no universal agreement on the nature and extent of the harm caused to children by viewing content classified as pornography. However, policymakers in several countries have deemed that children should not be able to access commercial pornography websites designed for users aged over 18.''</blockquote>

==="8 March Principles" saga===
[[File:Screenshot 2025-04-04-20-44-33-777.jpeg|thumb|2020 take on Age of Consent (separate from the 2023 controversy)]]
A 2023 controversy arose on social media<ref>[https://www.foxnews.com/lifestyle/un-backed-legal-recommendations-normalize-sex-minors-critics-say New UN-backed legal recommendations normalize sex with minors, outraged critics say]</ref> following the publication of new legal principles problematizing the idea that adolescents are inherently unable to [[consent]], including to sex:

<blockquote>''The International Committee of Jurists (ICJ) along with UNAIDS and the Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR) officially launched a new set of expert jurist legal principles to guide the application of international human rights law to criminal law.''

''The ‘8 March principles’ as they are called lay out a human rights-based approach to laws criminalising conduct in relation to sex, drug use, HIV, sexual and reproductive health, homelessness and poverty.''

[...]

''Emphasizing that, with respect to the application of criminal law in connection with consent, international human rights law requires paying due regard to:''

[...]

''b) adolescents’ evolving capacity to consent in certain contexts, in fact, even if not in law, when they are below the prescribed minimum age of consent in domestic law''

[...]

'''''Moreover, sexual conduct involving persons below the domestically prescribed minimum age of consent to sex may be consensual in fact, if not in law. In this context, the enforcement of criminal law should reflect the rights and capacity of persons under 18 years of age to make decisions about engaging in consensual sexual conduct and their right to be heard in matters concerning them.'''''<ref>[https://www.unaids.org/en/resources/presscentre/featurestories/2023/march/20230308_new-legal-principles-decriminalization New legal principles launched on International Women’s Day to advance decriminalization efforts] and [https://icj2.wpenginepowered.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/8-MARCH-Principles-FINAL-printer-version-1-MARCH-2023.pdf The 8 March Principles fora Human Rights-Based Approach to Criminal Law Proscribing Conduct Associated with Sex, Reproduction, Drug Use, HIV, Homelessness and Poverty]</ref>
</blockquote>

Conservatives, once again suggested this was an attempt to "prepare" the public for the release of sensitive documents concerning [[Jeffrey Epstein]]'s esteemed visitors.

==See also==

*[[UNCRC]]
*[[UNICEF]]
*[[ILGA]]
*[[Evolving capacity]]
*[[Mature Minor]]

==References==

[[Category:Child Advocacy]][[Category:Organisations]][[Category:Organisations: Fence-sitters]][[Category:Organisations: Public]][[Category:Organisations: International]][[Category:History & Events: International]][[Category:History & Events: 1940s]]

Agecuck

2026-04-09T12:31:15Z

JJ1: /* External links */ added Agecuck – oogenhand

__NOTOC__An '''agecuck''' is defined within the [[incelosphere]] and parts of the manosphere as an individual who opposes romantic and/or sexual relationships to people, usually women, solely because their chronological age is lower than an arbitrary limit. The age limit embraced by agecucks is usually 18 years, regardless of physical and mental maturity.

Agecucks might be defined as men who subconsciously try to attack competing men because they are secretly attracted to the "minor" woman themselves, or older women who are trying to shame men for being attracted to women younger than themselves, to eliminate competition from the "dating pool".

Agecucks are thought to label men attracted to physically mature teenage women as "pedophiles" due to the high shock value of that word, even though "pedophilia" means attraction to prepubescent people. This is possible due to the social construct "age of majority", which labels people ranging from both toddlers and mature teenagers with the overarching umbrella term "minors", disregarding their differences in physical maturity.

It has been [[Debate Guide: Doomed from the beginning|common over time]] for heterosexual couples to include a younger woman, given that women on average enter puberty earlier and mature faster than men, and women usually desire more mature and sexually experienced men.

Male agecucks can themselves be secretly sexually attracted to physically mature reproductive teenage women who happen to be younger than 18 years, but might not admit it due to social implications.

The idea that romantic relationships and eroticism are traumatic by default to teenagers is a social construct. Incels have argued that in males, sex during puberty does not cause permanent brain damage - the lack thereof does.<ref>[https://incels.wiki/w/Teen_love_pill Teen love pill - Incel Wiki]</ref>

It has been hypothesized that women are shamed by agecucks into accepting that any sex as a minor is traumatic and abusive (expectation bias), and that women who were already sexually active as "minors" have changed their minds retroactively, even if they originally did not perceive it as such (see [[#Alanis Morissette]]).

== Case studies ==

=== Jax ===

One example of an "agecuck" is "Jax" on YouTube, who infantilizes mature teenage women in his video "Why Have There Been So Many Child Groomers Recently?", even referring to men dating or sleeping with women who have already become legal adults (18 years old) as "[[grooming|groomers]]", due to those women being close to being minors.<ref name="jax-video">[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dmFUOvAVig Why Have There Been So Many Child Groomers Recently?] - Jax</ref>

Here, Jax argues against using the law to determine morality, while ironically using the rigid and arbitrary number of years of age in the law to distinguish between "minors" and "adults":

<blockquote>
[03:09]
''This guy, Charem, groomed somebody who was underage into being a participant into NSFW conversations and engagement as soon as they turned 18. Some freaks who believe the law determines morality believe this is OK for some reason, despite this literally being textbook grooming.''
</blockquote>

Here, "Jax" fails to address the argument (because he couldn't) and resorted to an ad-hominem attack instead:

<blockquote>
[16:17]
''He frequently attempted to manipulate the victim by talking about "maturity", and saying that "age doesn't matter, only maturity does", which is a common justification by predators such as this.''<ref name="jax-video" />

</blockquote>

=== Alanis Morissette ===

Canadian singer Alanis Morissette (born in 1974) became sexually active at the age of 15, meaning in the year 1989 or 1990. This is before 2008, where the age of consent in Canada was raised from 14 to 16, so the adult man who slept with her did not violate the law at that time.

She originally enjoyed intercourse with the adult man, but was thereafter patronized by the people around her that something horrible was done to her, until she started believing it:

<blockquote>
''It took me years in therapy to even admit there had been any kind of victimization on my part. I would always say I was consenting, and then I'd be reminded like 'Hey, you were 15, you're not consenting at 15.' Now I'm like, 'Oh yeah, they're all pedophiles. It's all statutory rape.'''<ref>[https://archive.today/2026.01.15-212257/https://web.archive.org/web/20250522001127/https://www.businessinsider.nl/alanis-morissette-says-she-was-raped-by-multiple-men-in-new-hbo-documentary-jagged/ Alanis Morissette says she was raped by multiple men in new HBO documentary ‘Jagged’ - Business Insider Nederland]</ref>

</blockquote>

The erotic acts could be said to have had no [[intrinsic harm]].

== See also==

*[[Youth-Adult Marriage]]

== External links ==
* [https://incels.is/threads/the-agecuck-song-laszlo-ft-urlaubsinsel-parody.850399/ The agecuck song! - LASZLO ft. Urlaubsinsel (parody) | Incels.is - Involuntary Celibate Forum]
* [https://incels.is/threads/why-agecucks-are-opposed-to-adult-teen-couples.828623/ Why agecucks are opposed to adult-teen couples. | Incels.is - Involuntary Celibate Forum]
* [https://archive.org/details/MumkeysAnimeReviews/003.+B+Gata+H+Kei_+Yamada's+First+Time+-+Mumkey's+Anime+Reviews+%233.mp4 B Gata H Kei: Yamada's First Time - Mumkey's Anime Reviews] - Mumkey Jones (The video asks the viewer to guess which of the two women is 18 years old and which of them is 15, following by switching the ages around.)
* [https://theantifeminist.com/different-types-of-age-cuck-explained/ "Different Types of Age Cuck Explained" - The AntiFeminist]
* [https://oogenhand.wordpress.com:443/2018/05/02/agecuck/ Agecuck – oogenhand]
[[Category:Terminology]]

== References ==

California

2026-04-08T07:18:38Z

JJ1: /* International impact */ +1

'''California''' is a state located at the western coast of the United States. It is known for being one of the regions with the strictest [[age of consent]] laws in the world and a business hub for multiple high-profile tech and social media enterprises.

The age of consent in California is 18 years with no exception for close-in-age sexual partners.<ref>[https://www.age-of-consent.info/california What is the California Legal Age of Consent in 2026?] - "The close-in-age rule in California (3 years) do not provide an exception nor provide any defense; it merely lowers the crime to a misdemeanor."</ref>

== Legal mine field ==
[[File:Trojan horse.jpg|thumb|right|160px|"Child protection" is a political trojan horse.]]
Culturally, any attraction to a person below the social construct "age of majority" is strongly frowned upon, even if that person is physically mature and able to reproduce and looks physically indistinguishable from a slightly older legal adult, given that they are socially infantilized with the label of "minor" that is applied equally to both toddlers and mature teenagers.

Even romantic relationships without intercourse between adults and teenagers are strongly discouraged in the United States.<ref>[https://archive.today/2025.08.28-095740/https://answers.justia.com/question/2019/05/29/can-a-minor-date-an-adult-without-any-se-693922 Can a minor date an adult without any sexual relationship and still be legal? - Nebraska Criminal Law Questions & Answers - Justia Ask A Lawyer]</ref> As usual in the United States, violators of sexuality-related laws are often publicly pillorized on a sex offender registry, no matter how minimal the violation was, for example intercourse with a person one day away from becoming a legal adult.<ref>[https://www.map-union.org/perspectives/lowdown-17-and-364-meme-real Mu Lowdown: The 17 & 364 meme is sadly rooted in reality...]</ref>

This makes it a legal mine field for young adults to date and sleep with people at a similar age. There is a risk that one of the partners lies about their age, so people sometimes ask each other for government identification, which can become an unromantic formality.<ref>[https://archive.today/2025.07.01-011740/https://www.reddit.com/r/NoStupidQuestions/comments/8ol8d8/should_you_ask_to_see_a_girls_id_before_sleeping/ Should you ask to see a girls ID before sleeping with her? : NoStupidQuestions] - Reddit</ref>

== International impact ==
Californian culture and law reaches out internationally, given that all large social media platforms (YouTube, Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, Reddit, Snapchat, Pinterest), the most widely used knowledge services and digital libraries (Google, Wikipedia, OpenAI, the Internet Archive), as well as other influential technology entities behind products almost everyone uses in their day-to-day lives (Apple, Intel, AMD, Qualcomm, GitHub, the Mozilla Foundation, and the Linux Foundation) are all headquartered there.

California was also the first state to pass operating system age verification into law, allowing any online service to query the age provided by the user. Here, "child protection" is used as a political trojan horse to get people to accept mass surveillance.<ref>[https://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2026/03/msg00000.html On the unfortunate need for an "age verification" API for legal compliance reasons in some U.S. states - lists.debian.org]</ref><ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adCMNAVBGSQ OS Age Verification: Millions Of Evil People With GPS In Your Kid's Pocket, Required By Law!] - Jody Bruchon</ref>
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== References ==
<references />

== External links ==
* [https://incels.is/threads/why-mainstream-social-media-is-agecucked.779054/ Why mainstream social media is agecucked. | Incels.is - Involuntary Celibate Forum]

[[Category:Countries and Cultures]]
[[Category:Anti-Pedophile culture]]
[[Category:Law/Crime: American]]
__NOTOC__

California

2026-04-08T05:46:22Z

JJ1: /* International impact */ more big names

'''California''' is a state located at the western coast of the United States. It is known for being one of the regions with the strictest [[age of consent]] laws in the world and a business hub for multiple high-profile tech and social media enterprises.

The age of consent in California is 18 years with no exception for close-in-age sexual partners.<ref>[https://www.age-of-consent.info/california What is the California Legal Age of Consent in 2026?] - "The close-in-age rule in California (3 years) do not provide an exception nor provide any defense; it merely lowers the crime to a misdemeanor."</ref>

== Legal mine field ==
[[File:Trojan horse.jpg|thumb|right|160px|"Child protection" is a political trojan horse.]]
Culturally, any attraction to a person below the social construct "age of majority" is strongly frowned upon, even if that person is physically mature and able to reproduce and looks physically indistinguishable from a slightly older legal adult, given that they are socially infantilized with the label of "minor" that is applied equally to both toddlers and mature teenagers.

Even romantic relationships without intercourse between adults and teenagers are strongly discouraged in the United States.<ref>[https://archive.today/2025.08.28-095740/https://answers.justia.com/question/2019/05/29/can-a-minor-date-an-adult-without-any-se-693922 Can a minor date an adult without any sexual relationship and still be legal? - Nebraska Criminal Law Questions & Answers - Justia Ask A Lawyer]</ref> As usual in the United States, violators of sexuality-related laws are often publicly pillorized on a sex offender registry, no matter how minimal the violation was, for example intercourse with a person one day away from becoming a legal adult.<ref>[https://www.map-union.org/perspectives/lowdown-17-and-364-meme-real Mu Lowdown: The 17 & 364 meme is sadly rooted in reality...]</ref>

This makes it a legal mine field for young adults to date and sleep with people at a similar age. There is a risk that one of the partners lies about their age, so people sometimes ask each other for government identification, which can become an unromantic formality.<ref>[https://archive.today/2025.07.01-011740/https://www.reddit.com/r/NoStupidQuestions/comments/8ol8d8/should_you_ask_to_see_a_girls_id_before_sleeping/ Should you ask to see a girls ID before sleeping with her? : NoStupidQuestions] - Reddit</ref>

== International impact ==
Californian culture and law reaches out internationally, given that all large social media platforms (YouTube, Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, Reddit, Snapchat, Pinterest), the most widely used knowledge services and digital libraries (Google, Wikipedia, OpenAI, the Internet Archive), as well as other influential technology entities behind the products almost everyone uses in their day-to-day lives (Apple, Intel, AMD, Qualcomm, GitHub, and the Linux Foundation) are all headquartered there.

California was also the first state to pass operating system age verification into law, allowing any online service to query the age provided by the user. Here, "child protection" is used as a political trojan horse to get people to accept mass surveillance.<ref>[https://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2026/03/msg00000.html On the unfortunate need for an "age verification" API for legal compliance reasons in some U.S. states - lists.debian.org]</ref><ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adCMNAVBGSQ OS Age Verification: Millions Of Evil People With GPS In Your Kid's Pocket, Required By Law!] - Jody Bruchon</ref>
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== References ==
<references />

== External links ==
* [https://incels.is/threads/why-mainstream-social-media-is-agecucked.779054/ Why mainstream social media is agecucked. | Incels.is - Involuntary Celibate Forum]

[[Category:Countries and Cultures]]
[[Category:Anti-Pedophile culture]]
[[Category:Law/Crime: American]]
__NOTOC__

Censorship

2026-04-08T05:06:39Z

JJ1: /* Private entities */ Blogger (BlogSpot) is owned by californian company Google.

{{Template:Adj}}<div style="margin-right: 25px; float: left;">__TOC__</div>[[Image:Bellad.jpg|thumb|A curiously anti-female advert concerning Bell's use of [[censorware]]]]'''Censorship''' usually refers to the policy of removing parts of or, prohibiting the circulation of books. Works addressing the issue of [[pedophilia]] have often been censored. Recent years have seen a deliberate attempt, especially in the United States, to censor the work of scientists, independent researchers and authors through slander campaigns and personal attacks that have little to do with scientific criticism. Lit-erotica authors have also come increasingly under fire.

It will come as no surprise that censorship has always been with us in some form. The publisher of [[Pederasty|pederastic]] journal, [[Der Eigene]] had to fight against German censorship back in the day. For example, in 1903 a published poem "Die Freundschaft" (The Friendship) provoked a lawsuit against the magazine. The magazine won, seemingly because the poem was written by Friedrich Schiller. In 1933, when Adolf Hitler rose to power, Adolf Brand's house was searched and all the materials needed to produce Der Eigene were seized and given to Ernst Röhm.<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20071231041603/http://www.lyrikwelt.de/gedichte/schillerg4.htm</ref><ref>http://glbt-news.israel-live.de/ns-zeit/adolf-brand.htm</ref>

More recently, major television networks have been known to revise television series and films, especially for the prudish, [[American]] market. Much of this involves the removal of references to the prepubescent or [[Adolescence|adolescent]] body and any implication that may be politically undesirable to the status quo.<ref>http://www.boychat.org/messages/1151455.htm</ref>

===Functional Mechanism===

It is worth mentioning that the function of censorship is not to protect the public, or ''directly'' alter the marketplace of ideas as it purports to. However, by creating the widespread ''perception'' of servicing these ends, censorship achieves two things:

*'''Altering public and official perceptions of what is acceptable/credible speech.''' By placing certain ideologies (far right, communist, liberalist, homosexualist, anti-vaccine) outside of the [[Overton Window]] (range of acceptable policy positions)<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window</ref>, we make them less credible within the public and official spheres. This results in arguments and policies being dismissed out of hand - for example, sexological research papers that have been ''condemned'' by multiple political representatives without so much as being read. This article documents some examples.

*'''The chilling effect.''' By damaging the careers of dangerous ideologues, censorship sets up a moral cause-and-effect narrative in the public eye. Those authors who questioned the status-quo are less likely to return (even if they could find a publisher), and those who might present new challenges will be forced to think twice. Censorship is outsourced to private media, corporations and publishing houses who do not wish to face the publicity risk of being associated with the wrong author or academic.

In this sense, censorship is not so much about what is being done, but what is seen to be done (i.e. a top-down signalling of intent, to effect a bottom-up process of [[consent]] and compliance).

==A modern timeline==

:''For a few examples that may be less specific to our topic, but nevertheless related to the panic, see [[Special Article: Adverse effects of hysteria|Adverse effects of hysteria]].''

* The first comprehensive study of [[pederasty]], [[Walter Breen|Eglinton's]] Greek Love (1964) was banned in Australia, Ireland and South Africa the following year. Its publishers in United Kingdom had several problems as well, and the book appeared seven years later.

* Stephen O. Murray. (1998). [http://www.sunypress.edu/p-7129-boy-wives-and-female-husbands.aspx Boy-Wives and Female Husbands: Studies in African Homosexualities] (Suny Press, 2021 e-book edition).

::''"Edward Evans-Pritchard, one of the most widely respected authorities on indigenous African cultures, said nothing about male homosexuality in his classic 1937 study [...] Decades passed from the time of his fieldwork until he finally reported what he had learned about male homosexuality among the once-fierce Azande of the northern Congo. In 1957, in a relatively obscure journal, and then in more accessible venues in 1970 and 1971, he related how Azande warriors routinely married boys who functioned as temporary wives. The practice was institutionalized to the extent that the warriors paid “bride-price” to the parents of the boys. [...] The scope of these practices might be entirely unknown today had Evans-Pritchard not decided to finally write about them shortly before his death." (p. xxvi).<ref>Evans-Pritchard died in 1973 only 2/3 years after publishing on the Azande in a high-profile anthropology journal. See Evans-Pritchard. (1970). Sexual Inversion Among the Azande, in ''American Anthropologist'', 72:6, 1428-1434 <https://www.jstor.org/stable/pdf/672845.pdf>.</ref>

* In 1971, the UK edition of a Dutch originated sex/moral/life education text, ''[[The_Little_Red_Schoolbook|The Little Red Schoolbook]]'', was successfully prosecuted under the UK's Obscene Publications Act, leading to a European Court of Human Rights case known as [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handyside_v_United_Kingdom Handyside v. United Kingdom].

* In 1973, [[My Secret Garden]]: Women’s Sexual Fantasies, a book by American [[Feminism|feminist]] author Nancy Friday, was banned in the Irish Republic.<ref>"[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Irish_Times Banned Publications]", The Irish Times, Friday 19 November 1976 (pg. 4).</ref> The book collected women's fantasies through letters and tapes and personal interviews, and contains frank, non-condemnatory discussion of topics such as sadism, bestiality, childhood sex, and sexual fantasy from childhood to adulthood. For an example, see [[Testimony:_Adult_Female_with_Minor|the case of "Mona"]] - a sadist schoolteacher who derives sexual pleasure from "punishing" boys.

* In 1977, Penthouse magazine published an article titled "''[[Text_of_Incest:_The_Last_Taboo|Incest: The Last Taboo]]''." Self-censoring a large sample of 1,500 positively experienced sexual encounters between relatives:

::''"Dr. James Ramey, a sociologist with a multi-disciplinary Ph.D. from Columbia, has censored his own positive incest manuscript for the past four years. Fearing for his reputation and massive misunderstanding, Ramey hesitated to lead with an apparently permission-giving book on man’s oldest taboo. He refuses to discuss specifics but volunteers that only one incest family from his 1,500-plus interviews and questionnaires ever ran afoul of the law. “And that was a setup,” he adds. Feeling that others are bound to soften up the opposition before him, Ramey has opened negotiations for the book. But unless he can control the publication date, promotion, and jacket and advertising copy, he will not proceed. “You have to be careful when you do a taboo-bucking book,” he comments."''

:Whilst Ramey's book never saw publication, he discussed the difficulties researchers face in a SIECUS Report entitled “''Dealing with the Last Taboo''” ([https://siecus.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/7-5.pdf 1979]).

* In 1978, Canadian author [[Gerald Hannon]] and the gay liberation magazine at which he worked, The Body Politic came under fire after the publication of his article "Men loving boys loving men" which took a positive look on [[boylove]] leading to a legal battle that lasted many years.

* In a paper presented to the World Congress of Sexology, entitled "''Progress in Empirical Research on Children's Sexuality''"<ref>[https://siecus.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/12-2.pdf Borneman - Progress in Empirical Research on Children's Sexuality]</ref>, Sexologist [[Ernest Borneman]] outlines his findings after his research team had spent 40 years collecting a large community sample of over 4,000 taped conversations where children and adolescents discussed their everyday sex lives, largely hidden from and unknown to their parents, during which the researchers were arrested multiple times before changing their research method. As Borneman explains:

::''"Sooner or later, of course, the adults intervened, called the police or the park attendants, and asked what in the world we were up to. Most of us were arrested at least once and got used to carrying thick wallets full of documents identifying us as members of a research team. Despite the fact that we were in no way conducting a participant observation study, and were merely attempting to understand children’s sexual thinking, it was very difficult to communicate this distinction to authorities. The experiences were painful, and so we began to train children in handling tape recorders. This worked extremely well…"''

*In his short 1987 commentary ''On Having One's Research Seized''<ref>[https://www.jstor.org/stable/3812147 David Sonenschein]</ref>, former Kinsey researcher [[David Sonenschein]] documents multiple cases where researchers attempting to document the realities of "child pornography," or "kiddie porn," who were arrested, harassed or subjected to a hostile environment which created difficulty in testing the accuracy of sensationalist media claims.

:He writes:

::''"in September, 1984, my own 4-year accumulation of research on pedophilia and children's sexuality was seized. At this writing, nearly 2 years later, the materials (including illegally seized legal files and personal and political writings) are still held; it was over 7 months before American Civil Liberties Union lawyers and I were able to inventory the documents. The news media again helped directly in promoting the project as a "ring," and I was charged with "sexual performance of [sic] a child" for photocopying photo-graphs from commercial "kiddie porn" magazines for content analysis. I have been fined $5,000 and sentenced to 10 years in prison. The content analysis was not completed, and the project, an ethnographic study of child-adult sexual relationships, has been destroyed. Fragments will appear if materials are returned; only one historiographic paper has been published (Sonenschein, 1984). Comments by arresting officer Sgt. John Russell may be of interest to other investigators: "Your research is through. Your research is over. I have finished your research for you. You can research anything but this".''

* When [[Theo Sandfort]]'s research on sexual relationships between men and [[boy|boys]] in the Netherlands first appeared in English in the early 1980s, it was widely criticized and dismissed, even though critics had not actually read it (Bauserman 1990). A similar furore emerged after the publication of [[Daniel Tsang]]'s edited volume, [https://library.lol/main/E9CBDB46170B45354650BEFF403D8341 The Age Taboo] (Tsang 2005).

* In 1990, Cincinnati Contemporary Arts Center director Dennis Barrie is charged with violating obscenity laws for presenting "[[Wikipedia:The Perfect Moment|Robert Mapplethorpe: The Perfect Moment]]." He is acquitted by a jury. FBI and local police break into San Francisco photographer [[Wikipedia:Jock Sturges|Jock Sturges]]'s home to investigate a photo-lab tip that Sturges is a child pornographer. Ten months after confiscating most of his possessions, and destroying some of his film stock and records, charges had still not been filed. [[Wikipedia:Sally Mann|Sally Mann]] is another example of a photographer who faced similar controversy in the 90s.

* By the 1990's, books published by boylove-frendly publishers such as [[Acolyte Press]] were banned in several countries including New Zealand, Canada and Ireland. Independent researchers were also harassed when the police searched their houses and confiscated research material (books and articles) in the cases of Gerald P. Jones and [[Thomas O'Carroll|Tom O’Carroll]]. O'Carroll, as his article explains, has also been cancelled by publishing houses, in addition to the later Wordpress decision.

*In June 17, 1996 an article by [[Mary Eberstadt]] with the title "Pedophilia chic" appeared in Weekly Standard<ref>https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/weekly-standard/pedophilia-chic-2623</ref> outlining the public challenges to the [[taboo]] of [[pedophilia]]. This article further fuelled the censorship and intimidation attempts and a host of conservative organizations and journalists took the role of watchdogs, ready to denounce what they considered as "Inappropriate research".

* [[Chris Brand]], professor of psychology at Edinburgh University lost his position in 1997 after publicly defending Nobel Prize winner physicist [[Carleton Gajdusek|Daniel Gajdusek]] whom was facing a sentence for sexual relations with a boy.

* Another victim was David Buchanan, barrister in New South Wales, Australia, Richard Guilliatt, senior Writer in Sydney Morning Herald, Lex Watson, senior Lecturer in Government in University of Sydney and others whose papers were "purged" from Australian Insitute of Criminology publication Paedophilia: policy and prevention (1997). In their papers, Buchanan, Guilliatt, Watson and others challenged conventional wisdom regarding recovered memories of child abuse, sex between adults and adolescents, and the [[Age of Consent]].

* Ellis Hanson, professor of English at Cornell University who has been teaching a course on “The sexual child”, also offended the censors. In 1998, "Accuracy in Academia", a conservative group that, according to its mission statement “wants schools to return to their traditional mission-the quest for truth” called Cornell University to cancel the teaching of the course. Their evidence against Hanson was only their highly innacurate reading of the course's syllabus.

'''In the 21st Century, censorship has continued in this arena. Victims include:'''

* [[Bruce Rind]], from Temple University, [[Robert Bauserman]], psychologist at the State of Maryland and [[Philip Tromovitch]] a (then) PhD student, after the publication of Rind et al. (1998) article in American Psychological Association journal Psychological Bulletin. After the National Association for Research and Treatment of Homosexuality denounced the study in their website, radio-host Laura Schlessinger attacked the article as being "junk science" and finally, the U.S. Congress unanimously condemned the scientific article. Rind et al. (2000, 2001), however, exposed the political motivations of their critics and Lilienfeld (2002) identified the multiple errors of analysis, reasoning, and logic evident in the arguments of many of the more vocal of their public critics. In addition, one of the two congressmen whom abstained from condemning the article explained why the condemnation was ridiculous (Baird 2002).

* [[Bruce Rind]], from Temple University (again!) for his article "Pederasty: An Integration of Cross-Cultural, Cross-Species, and Empirical Data" in a special 2005 issue of the Journal of Homosexuality. The article was accepted for publication and appeared in the pre-publication list but was later withdrawn after pressure to its publisher, Haworth Press. In addition to the attacks to particular scientists and researchers, science came under attack when the Brongersma Foundation archive was seized by the Dutch police in 2000.

* The late [[Harris Mirkin]], Associate Professor of Political Science (University of Missouri, Kansas City) for publishing his article "The Pattern of Sexual Politics: [[Feminism]], [[Homosexuality]] and [[Pedophilia]]," in Journal of Homosexuality in 1999. The Missouri House of Representatives voted 102-29 to eliminate professor Harris Mirkin's salary from the higher education budget in the coming year.

* The late [[Vern Bullough]], Distinguished Professor of State University of New York and Emeritus Professor of California State University was attacked for being in Paidika's editorial board (Bullough 2000).

* [[Judith Levine]] for her book Harmful to Minors: the perils of protecting children from sex (2002). The book was turned down by several publishers, due to its controversial topic but finally was published by the prestigious University of Minnesota Press. The book was denounced by several religion fundamentalists months prior to its publication. Robert Knight the spokesperson of the anti-homosexual, anti-evolution and anti-abortion propaganda organization “Concerned Women for America” threatened that “if the Regents of the University of Minnesota do not act quickly to fire those responsible, the people of Minnesota and their elected representatives should move quickly to replace them.”

* Scott O. Lilienfeld, professor of psychology at Emory University for his article "When Worlds Collide: Social Science, Politics, and the Rind et al. (1998) Child Sexual Abuse Meta-Analysis". When Lilienfeld submitted the manuscript to American Psychologist (a journal of the American Psychological Association), the journal's editor overruled the ad hoc editor and its decision to publish the article because it did contain much criticism he personally didn't like. Under pressure from the scientific community, the article was eventually accepted for publication.

* The late [[Ralph Underwager]], psychologist member of the [[False Memory Syndrome Foundation]]. Ralph Underwager was attacked for giving an interview which was published in Paidika: The Journal of Paedophilia and was presented by reporters as "a known pedophile".

*According to Amin (2014),

::[A] ''"lengthy 1973 special issue of the journal Recherches edited by Félix Guattari and titled "Three Billion Perverts" ("Trois milliards de pervers"), ''[...]'' is composed of a combination of erotic photos and drawings, homosexual "détournements" of comics and illustrations from French Boy Scout novels, masturbatory autobiographic narratives, and transcribed conversations, along with more recognizably political declarations and analyses. ''[...]'' This erotic and, indeed, pornographic frankness is likely why Guattari was found guilty, as the editor, of affronting public decency: his apartment was searched, and the existing journal issues were confiscated. ''[...]'' The chapter on pedophilia ''[...]'' censored as recently as 2002 in the special issue’s online publication, opens with a transcribed dialogue between Max, a forty-year-old pederast who prefers adolescents but occasionally has sex with prepubescent boys, and his former boy beloveds, twenty-five-year-old Truc and nineteen-year-old Albert, both of whom are now heterosexual."<ref>[https://annas-archive.org/md5/a4bfa9ca1e6ff4fb00bf63cf570f0c2e Kadji Amin, ''Disturbing Attachments''] (2014), p. 86, p. 116. Amin adds: "In 2002, a password protected version adapted to the internet was published on the site of the French journal Critical Secret — this version was effectively censored, the “Pedophilia” chapter removed. See Genosko, “The Figure of the Arab in Three Billion Perverts,” 62. The link on the website is currently inactive." (footnote 22, p. 217). The citation is: “La pédophilie.” In “Trois milliards de pervers: Grande encyclopédie des homosexualités.”'' Special issue, Recherches 12 (1973), pp. 116–28.</ref>

* [[Richard Yuill]], who was awarded his PhD in Sociology from Glasgow University in December 2004. His research topic was “Male adult-youth relationships in the United Kingdom”. Reflecting on the difficulties in writing and publishing on the reality of intergenerational encounters, historian Rachel Hope Cleves summarizes Yuill's story in her 2020 book on once famous and influential pederast Norman Douglas [reviewed [[Norman_Douglas|here]]]. She writes: "When Yuill was a PhD candidate in sociology at Glasgow University writing his dissertation, “Male Age- Discrepant Intergenerational Sexualities and Relationships,” he was subjected to multiple investigations by his university, had his research materials reviewed by the police, was attacked repeatedly in the British press, and had his completed dissertation embargoed for five years." Yuill himself details these experiences in his 2010 scholarly article "''Interrogating the Essential: Moral Baselines on Adult-Child Sex''" (read [https://www.ipce.info/library/journal-article/interrogating-essential-moral-baselines-adult-child-sex here]), and documents attacks on researchers most fully in his 2013 [https://archive.org/details/censoringsexresearch/page/n3/mode/2up book chapter] "''Intergenerational Sexualities: A Case Study on the Colonization of Late Modern Sexual Subjects and Researcher Agendas''."

* Red Rose Stories was shut down by the FBI late 2005, and its owner sentenced in 2008.<ref>[https://www.xbiz.com/news/10680/red-rose-stories-closed-by-fbi XBIZ] and [https://www.computerworld.com/article/2533543/new-obscenity-charges-raise-questions-in-internet-age.html Computerworld]</ref>
::''"And in August, Karen Fletcher, a 56-year-old Pennsylvania woman, was sentenced to five years of probation, including six months of home detention, and forfeiture of her computer after pleading guilty to six counts of using an interactive computer service to distribute obscene materials. Fletcher owned and operated the Web site Red Rose Stories, which featured stories, but no pictures, describing sexual molestation and violence against children."''

* In 2006, an Australian was jailed for similar stories:
::''"In what is considered a Territory first, a man has been sent to jail for possessing fictional text stories about sex with children. Former senior public servant Nick Gill was sentenced to 14 days' jail, suspended on the rising of the court, and fined $3000 after being found guilty of having 66 stories, featuring mostly young boys, on his desktop computer. There were no images involved in the case."''<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20071114124530/www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,18748877-17001,00.html</ref>

* Later, even [[Lolita]] came under fire.<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20210717092249/https://www.wesh.com/article/lolita-could-be-pulled-from-library-s-shelves/4343666</ref>

* Also in 2006, [[Dieter Gieseking]] was fined for promoting the German version of nonfiction work [[Loving Boys]] by [[Edward Brongersma]] (ISBN 3-922257-71-2), although this was eventually overturned.<ref>[https://www.norbertdejonge.nl/misc/pdf/1999-04-15_Loving_Boys.pdf Loving Boys], [https://www.bzkj.de/bzkj/meta/en "By including them in the List of Media Harmful to Young Persons, data and telemedia are subject to extensive sales and distribution restrictions as well as an advertising ban. However, with a few exceptions, they may still be made available to adults."], [https://krumme13.org/text.php?s=list&kid=49 K13]</ref>

* In 2008, with no provocation, Dutch police intimidated and ousted the [[PNVD]] from a general anti-state demonstration.

*In 2009, reproductions of a famous photograph featuring [[Brooke Shields]] were removed from the Tate Modern gallery in the UK. Lawyers advised they would not meet the definition of obscenity, required by UK law, however.<ref>[https://time.com/archive/6948190/nude-brooke-shields-causes-a-flap-at-londons-tate/ TIME on Tate Modern controversy]</ref>

* In 2013, [[Wikipedia:Tom Flanagan (political scientist)#Child_pornography|Tom Flanagan]], a Canadian political strategist and academic was effectively erased from public life after suggesting (when deliberately provoked) that simple accessing of [[Child Pornography]] should not be punishable with prison time.<ref>[https://edmonton.ctvnews.ca/uproar-over-child-porn-comments-made-by-former-wildrose-campaign-manager-1.1175938 Uproar over child porn comments made by former Wildrose campaign manager] and [https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/video/1.441072 Flanagan's child porn comments], [https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/video/1.441024 Power Panel on Flanagan]</ref><ref>See videos from CBC and others at the time [https://fstube.net/w/6rBJyn1a4AE8D87xrWEAp3] and compare to [https://fstube.net/w/arywNiK1SDzAwXav2CUkbU] and [https://fstube.net/w/x16iuZxtPQ89b9H5ZYzpST] post-controversy.</ref>

* In 2019, author Yvan Godbout and editor Nycolas Doucet were prosecuted for stories:
::''"It is our understanding that the prosecution of the author and publisher in this case stems from the description, on one page of a 270-page horror novel, of the sexual assault of a young child."''<ref>https://ccla.org/letter-quebec-minister-justice-regarding-child-pornography-prosecution-authoreditor/</ref>

* Also in 2019, Thomas Alan Arthur (Mr. Double) was arrested for trafficking stories. In 2021, he was sentenced:
:''"A federal judge today sentenced 65-year-old Thomas Alan Arthur to 40 years in federal prison for operating a website dedicated to publishing writings that detailed the sexual abuse of children."''<ref>[https://abcu8.co/2021/01/22/thomas-alan-arthur-64-of-terlingua-ran-a-website-featuring-stories-about-child-sexual-abuse-it-was-his-sole-income-for-20-years/ 1], [https://www.cbs7.com/content/news/FBI-arrests-man-in-connection-to-website-that-trafficks-in-child-sex-abuse-stories-564860402.html 2], [https://www.justice.gov/usao-wdtx/pr/terlingua-man-sentenced-prison-running-child-obscenity-website 3]</ref>

* Some attacks focus on censorship of public spaces. In September 2019, an artist working for the Hermosa Beach Mural Project, California, was pressured to remove poet [[Allen Ginsberg]]'s image when repainting a public mural which featured him. Condemned by ''The National Coalition Against Censorship'' (NCAC), the new mural removed Ginsberg.

* On the 30th of August 2020, the "Hocquenghem affair" saw a militant feminist pour fake blood on a plaque commemorating MAP ally queer theorist [[Guy Hocquenghem]]. The city administration removed the plaque a few days later.<ref>[https://girlhocquenghem.neocities.org/2020/09/29/reading-hocquenghem Reading Hocquenghem], ''Trou Noir'' 28 September 2020, September issue.</ref>

* On the 12th January, 2022, a man wielding a hammer climbed atop [[Eric Gill]]'s statue of Shakespeare characters Prospero & Ariel, and etched the hate-speech message: “Noose all paedos”. In response to negative media attention, the Ditchling Museum of Art and Craft in East Sussex, widely known as “the Eric Gill museum”, "for most of 2022 removed all trace of Gill, his work remaining in storage".

== Censorship on the web ==
[[File:Suspension.jpg|thumb|The perpetual cycle of suspension and rebirth of a [[Minor Attracted Person]] on [[MAP visibility on Twitter|X.com]]]]
Modern online censorship is now the norm for topics far less controversial than attraction to minors. Most of us have heard the well-publicised examples of Americans losing their jobs for supporting right-of-center political causes, and Australians being visited in their own homes after sharing anti-vaccine memes on Facebook. Therefore, it is unsurprising that simply questioning the [[trauma myth]] or [[Child Sexual Abuse]] orthodoxy is likely to result in permanent blocks from social media sites or [[Wikipedia censorship of MAP related topics|Wikipedia]] for example.

Major governments have attempted to censor legal sites via blocking; see [[Special Article: Adverse effects of hysteria#Censorship|Trojan Horse Censorship]], but most censorship is effectively outsourced to the private sector. [[Child Pornography]] details some of these infringements upon civil liberties.

===By government order===

* In 2022, Dutch Public Prosecutors ordered [[Brongersma.info]] (an information archive of quotes, old magazines and talking points that in and of itself violated no laws) removed from the internet. Months later, it reappeared outside of the jurisdiction, owing to preventative efforts by its former administrator, [[Marthijn Uittenbogaard]] and members of the [[Minor attracted community]].

===Private entities===

* It has been argued that stock photo repositories exclude images of 11-15 year old pubescent youths, opting for small children or young adults either side of this age range. While this claim needs investigating with detailed statistical analysis, excluding youth who are not mature, yet also not immature would appear to simplify matters for customers who rely on the marketing of "children" and "teen/young adult" as categories.
* YouTube (headquartered in [[California]]) is now firmly embedded in its policy of removing politically controversial content regarding [[minor-adult sex]] and [[pedophilia]], either by per-video censorship or complete removal of accounts. However, due to the size of the website, some have been allowed to prosper. Similar actions have been taken against [[Vigilantism|self-styled vigilantes]] who make death threats towards pedophiles, incite others to action or threaten and harass minors who appear to support those who they see as pedophiles.
* MCI Canada, upstream provider for [[Epifora]] (ISP for Free Spirits, operator of [[BoyChat]] and BoyWiki, among other sites) has sent Epifora a notice of termination on the grounds of violation of Verizon's acceptable use policy. (Verizon is the parent company of MCI Canada.) Epifora's president, Camper, has suggested that this action is due to pressure brought to bear on Verizon by the anti-pedophile vigilante organization Perverted Justice.<ref>http://www.boychat.org/messages/1033662.htm BC:1033662</ref>
* Media Design, once host of the Netherlands party Naastenliefde, Vrijheid en Diversiteit ([[PNVD]]), is ending its contract to host their website.<ref>http://www.boychat.org/messages/1003341.htm BC:1003341</ref>
* Search engine Ask.com is blocking searches containing terms pedophile, pedophilia, and child sexual abuse. Searches including terms bestiality and necrophilia are also blocked.<ref>http://www.boychat.org/messages/1007958.htm BC:1007958</ref><ref>http://web.archive.org/web/20061116103356/blog.outer-court.com/archive/2006-06-23-n12.html</ref>
* CafePress shut down a site established by [[Rookiee]] on the grounds that it violated their acceptable use policy.<ref>http://www.boychat.org/messages/1025920.htm BC:1025920</ref>
* [[Blogger censorship|Blogger (BlogSpot)]] deleted up to 50 blogs owned by pedophiles and supporters including [[Rookiee]], and also others which opposed incest or made available reliable data concerning the issue. The reasons for this were an organised campaign of complaints by [[Absolute Zero]], in conjunction with a flexible ToS. Some individuals tried to save the websites that were taken down. Blogger is owned by Google, which is headquartered in [[California]]. A similar purge was carried out at LiveJournal, a few months later.<ref>http://www.boychat.org/messages/1068180.htm BC:1068180</ref>
* [[Wikipedia censorship of MAP related topics|Wikipedia]] (headquartered in [[California]]) censor their articles by proxy of blocking any editor who focuses on [[Child Abuse]] topics and introduces either neutral or radical sourced information. They have also removed whole articles for reasons related to political correctness (see [[archive]]). One contact passed on this private comment from one of their less pleased site admins: "I don't believe that Wikipedia is going to have a paedophile related article that is neutral in the proper sense of the word now or in the forseeable future. It appears to be an editorial decision that the subject matter is too sensitive, and the risk of appearing to condone (that is, not to condemn but appear impartial) the practice is one that the Foundation, Board, etc. are not prepared to take.".
* '''Medium''' (headquartered in [[California]]) and other private entities will ban even [[Preventionism|preventionist]] authors such as '''Timothy N. Fury''', because they are pedophiles.<ref>https://tnf13stories.wordpress.com/2018/09/01/censorship-of-sex-abuse-preventionists/</ref><ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20200811002431/https://aboutpedophilia.com/2018/09/01/censorship-of-sex-abuse-preventionists/</ref>
* '''Wordpress''' (headquartered in [[California]]) has removed authors such as [[Thomas O'Carroll]] and the anti-contact [[Pediverse|Lecter]].
*In 2022, Neocities.org purged [[Media:Pedopunk.pdf|Pedopunk]] - a [https://fwucky.art/ Zine] posted at fwucky.neocities.org, after outrage following its posting on [[MAP visibility on Twitter|Twitter]].
*'''The Internet Archive''' (headquartered in [[California]]) regularly censors websites associated with MAPs. [[Newgon]](.com), [[BoyChat]], and [[FreeSpeechTube]] are among the victims. Even [[Scott De Orio]]'s thesis was removed, supposedly because it contained references to pedophilia and pedophile activist organizations.<ref>[https://archive.org/details/orio-punish De Orio's thesis removed from Archive.org] ([[Media:Sadeorio_1.pdf|local backup]])</ref>

=== Censorship-resistant sites ===

* Slashdot rarely removes user comments, relying instead on an algorithmic moderation system based on user ratings.<ref>http://www.boychat.org/messages/1000283.htm BC:1000283</ref> Comments critical of policy established for protection of children are frequently seen there. [[BoyChat]] poster ILGO successfully published a front-page story entitled State of Ohio Establishes "Pre-Crime" Registry, which recieved hundreds of user comments, many supportive of the boylover position.<ref>http://politics.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/09/03/2235250</ref><ref>http://www.boychat.org/messages/1025366.htm BC:1025366</ref> As of 2021, Slashdot still provides evidence for one of the first known uses of the term "[[Minor Attracted Person]]", as the author had copied it from his blog.<ref>https://slashdot.org/~Brian+Ribbon/journal</ref>
* Quora has been a useful place for MAPs to post articles and answers in the early 2020s.
* [[Pediverse|Fediverse]] (decentralized) sites are promising in this regard, since they are very hard to censor if users of each "instance" are in the same boat. MAPs have been [[Minor attracted community|seen in some numbers]] on Mastodon and Pleroma.

== References ==

* Baird, B. N. (2002) "Politics, Operant Conditioning, Galileo, and the American Psychological Association’s Response to Rind et al. (1998)," American Psychologist 57(3): 189-192.
* Bauserman, R. (1990) “Objectivity and ideology: criticism of Theo Sandfort’s research on man-boy sexual relations,” Journal of Homosexuality 20(1/2): 297-312.
* Bullough, V.L. (2000) "The Pedophile Smear," The Position: An online journal, June 12.
* Lilienfeld, S. O. (2002) "When worlds collide: social science, politics, and the Rind et al. (1998) child sexual abuse meta-analysis," American Psychologist 57(3): 176-188.
* Rind, B., Bauserman, R., and Tromovitch, P. (2000) "Science versus orthodoxy: Anatomy of the Congressional Condemnation of a Scientific Article and Reflections on Remedies for Future Ideological Attacks," Applied & Preventive Psychology 9: 211-225.
* Rind, B., Bauserman, R., and Tromovitch, P. (2001) "The Condemned Meta-Analysis on Child Sexual Abuse: Good science and long-overdue skepticism," Skeptical Inquirer 25(4): 68-72.
* Tsang, D. (2005) "Moral Panic and the Age Taboo," Paper presented at the International Association for the Study of Sexuality, Culture and Society conference.

==References==

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Censorship

2026-04-08T04:59:39Z

JJ1: /* Private entities */ Headquartered in California, unsurprisingly. I am beginning to notice a pattern.

{{Template:Adj}}<div style="margin-right: 25px; float: left;">__TOC__</div>[[Image:Bellad.jpg|thumb|A curiously anti-female advert concerning Bell's use of [[censorware]]]]'''Censorship''' usually refers to the policy of removing parts of or, prohibiting the circulation of books. Works addressing the issue of [[pedophilia]] have often been censored. Recent years have seen a deliberate attempt, especially in the United States, to censor the work of scientists, independent researchers and authors through slander campaigns and personal attacks that have little to do with scientific criticism. Lit-erotica authors have also come increasingly under fire.

It will come as no surprise that censorship has always been with us in some form. The publisher of [[Pederasty|pederastic]] journal, [[Der Eigene]] had to fight against German censorship back in the day. For example, in 1903 a published poem "Die Freundschaft" (The Friendship) provoked a lawsuit against the magazine. The magazine won, seemingly because the poem was written by Friedrich Schiller. In 1933, when Adolf Hitler rose to power, Adolf Brand's house was searched and all the materials needed to produce Der Eigene were seized and given to Ernst Röhm.<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20071231041603/http://www.lyrikwelt.de/gedichte/schillerg4.htm</ref><ref>http://glbt-news.israel-live.de/ns-zeit/adolf-brand.htm</ref>

More recently, major television networks have been known to revise television series and films, especially for the prudish, [[American]] market. Much of this involves the removal of references to the prepubescent or [[Adolescence|adolescent]] body and any implication that may be politically undesirable to the status quo.<ref>http://www.boychat.org/messages/1151455.htm</ref>

===Functional Mechanism===

It is worth mentioning that the function of censorship is not to protect the public, or ''directly'' alter the marketplace of ideas as it purports to. However, by creating the widespread ''perception'' of servicing these ends, censorship achieves two things:

*'''Altering public and official perceptions of what is acceptable/credible speech.''' By placing certain ideologies (far right, communist, liberalist, homosexualist, anti-vaccine) outside of the [[Overton Window]] (range of acceptable policy positions)<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window</ref>, we make them less credible within the public and official spheres. This results in arguments and policies being dismissed out of hand - for example, sexological research papers that have been ''condemned'' by multiple political representatives without so much as being read. This article documents some examples.

*'''The chilling effect.''' By damaging the careers of dangerous ideologues, censorship sets up a moral cause-and-effect narrative in the public eye. Those authors who questioned the status-quo are less likely to return (even if they could find a publisher), and those who might present new challenges will be forced to think twice. Censorship is outsourced to private media, corporations and publishing houses who do not wish to face the publicity risk of being associated with the wrong author or academic.

In this sense, censorship is not so much about what is being done, but what is seen to be done (i.e. a top-down signalling of intent, to effect a bottom-up process of [[consent]] and compliance).

==A modern timeline==

:''For a few examples that may be less specific to our topic, but nevertheless related to the panic, see [[Special Article: Adverse effects of hysteria|Adverse effects of hysteria]].''

* The first comprehensive study of [[pederasty]], [[Walter Breen|Eglinton's]] Greek Love (1964) was banned in Australia, Ireland and South Africa the following year. Its publishers in United Kingdom had several problems as well, and the book appeared seven years later.

* Stephen O. Murray. (1998). [http://www.sunypress.edu/p-7129-boy-wives-and-female-husbands.aspx Boy-Wives and Female Husbands: Studies in African Homosexualities] (Suny Press, 2021 e-book edition).

::''"Edward Evans-Pritchard, one of the most widely respected authorities on indigenous African cultures, said nothing about male homosexuality in his classic 1937 study [...] Decades passed from the time of his fieldwork until he finally reported what he had learned about male homosexuality among the once-fierce Azande of the northern Congo. In 1957, in a relatively obscure journal, and then in more accessible venues in 1970 and 1971, he related how Azande warriors routinely married boys who functioned as temporary wives. The practice was institutionalized to the extent that the warriors paid “bride-price” to the parents of the boys. [...] The scope of these practices might be entirely unknown today had Evans-Pritchard not decided to finally write about them shortly before his death." (p. xxvi).<ref>Evans-Pritchard died in 1973 only 2/3 years after publishing on the Azande in a high-profile anthropology journal. See Evans-Pritchard. (1970). Sexual Inversion Among the Azande, in ''American Anthropologist'', 72:6, 1428-1434 <https://www.jstor.org/stable/pdf/672845.pdf>.</ref>

* In 1971, the UK edition of a Dutch originated sex/moral/life education text, ''[[The_Little_Red_Schoolbook|The Little Red Schoolbook]]'', was successfully prosecuted under the UK's Obscene Publications Act, leading to a European Court of Human Rights case known as [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handyside_v_United_Kingdom Handyside v. United Kingdom].

* In 1973, [[My Secret Garden]]: Women’s Sexual Fantasies, a book by American [[Feminism|feminist]] author Nancy Friday, was banned in the Irish Republic.<ref>"[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Irish_Times Banned Publications]", The Irish Times, Friday 19 November 1976 (pg. 4).</ref> The book collected women's fantasies through letters and tapes and personal interviews, and contains frank, non-condemnatory discussion of topics such as sadism, bestiality, childhood sex, and sexual fantasy from childhood to adulthood. For an example, see [[Testimony:_Adult_Female_with_Minor|the case of "Mona"]] - a sadist schoolteacher who derives sexual pleasure from "punishing" boys.

* In 1977, Penthouse magazine published an article titled "''[[Text_of_Incest:_The_Last_Taboo|Incest: The Last Taboo]]''." Self-censoring a large sample of 1,500 positively experienced sexual encounters between relatives:

::''"Dr. James Ramey, a sociologist with a multi-disciplinary Ph.D. from Columbia, has censored his own positive incest manuscript for the past four years. Fearing for his reputation and massive misunderstanding, Ramey hesitated to lead with an apparently permission-giving book on man’s oldest taboo. He refuses to discuss specifics but volunteers that only one incest family from his 1,500-plus interviews and questionnaires ever ran afoul of the law. “And that was a setup,” he adds. Feeling that others are bound to soften up the opposition before him, Ramey has opened negotiations for the book. But unless he can control the publication date, promotion, and jacket and advertising copy, he will not proceed. “You have to be careful when you do a taboo-bucking book,” he comments."''

:Whilst Ramey's book never saw publication, he discussed the difficulties researchers face in a SIECUS Report entitled “''Dealing with the Last Taboo''” ([https://siecus.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/7-5.pdf 1979]).

* In 1978, Canadian author [[Gerald Hannon]] and the gay liberation magazine at which he worked, The Body Politic came under fire after the publication of his article "Men loving boys loving men" which took a positive look on [[boylove]] leading to a legal battle that lasted many years.

* In a paper presented to the World Congress of Sexology, entitled "''Progress in Empirical Research on Children's Sexuality''"<ref>[https://siecus.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/12-2.pdf Borneman - Progress in Empirical Research on Children's Sexuality]</ref>, Sexologist [[Ernest Borneman]] outlines his findings after his research team had spent 40 years collecting a large community sample of over 4,000 taped conversations where children and adolescents discussed their everyday sex lives, largely hidden from and unknown to their parents, during which the researchers were arrested multiple times before changing their research method. As Borneman explains:

::''"Sooner or later, of course, the adults intervened, called the police or the park attendants, and asked what in the world we were up to. Most of us were arrested at least once and got used to carrying thick wallets full of documents identifying us as members of a research team. Despite the fact that we were in no way conducting a participant observation study, and were merely attempting to understand children’s sexual thinking, it was very difficult to communicate this distinction to authorities. The experiences were painful, and so we began to train children in handling tape recorders. This worked extremely well…"''

*In his short 1987 commentary ''On Having One's Research Seized''<ref>[https://www.jstor.org/stable/3812147 David Sonenschein]</ref>, former Kinsey researcher [[David Sonenschein]] documents multiple cases where researchers attempting to document the realities of "child pornography," or "kiddie porn," who were arrested, harassed or subjected to a hostile environment which created difficulty in testing the accuracy of sensationalist media claims.

:He writes:

::''"in September, 1984, my own 4-year accumulation of research on pedophilia and children's sexuality was seized. At this writing, nearly 2 years later, the materials (including illegally seized legal files and personal and political writings) are still held; it was over 7 months before American Civil Liberties Union lawyers and I were able to inventory the documents. The news media again helped directly in promoting the project as a "ring," and I was charged with "sexual performance of [sic] a child" for photocopying photo-graphs from commercial "kiddie porn" magazines for content analysis. I have been fined $5,000 and sentenced to 10 years in prison. The content analysis was not completed, and the project, an ethnographic study of child-adult sexual relationships, has been destroyed. Fragments will appear if materials are returned; only one historiographic paper has been published (Sonenschein, 1984). Comments by arresting officer Sgt. John Russell may be of interest to other investigators: "Your research is through. Your research is over. I have finished your research for you. You can research anything but this".''

* When [[Theo Sandfort]]'s research on sexual relationships between men and [[boy|boys]] in the Netherlands first appeared in English in the early 1980s, it was widely criticized and dismissed, even though critics had not actually read it (Bauserman 1990). A similar furore emerged after the publication of [[Daniel Tsang]]'s edited volume, [https://library.lol/main/E9CBDB46170B45354650BEFF403D8341 The Age Taboo] (Tsang 2005).

* In 1990, Cincinnati Contemporary Arts Center director Dennis Barrie is charged with violating obscenity laws for presenting "[[Wikipedia:The Perfect Moment|Robert Mapplethorpe: The Perfect Moment]]." He is acquitted by a jury. FBI and local police break into San Francisco photographer [[Wikipedia:Jock Sturges|Jock Sturges]]'s home to investigate a photo-lab tip that Sturges is a child pornographer. Ten months after confiscating most of his possessions, and destroying some of his film stock and records, charges had still not been filed. [[Wikipedia:Sally Mann|Sally Mann]] is another example of a photographer who faced similar controversy in the 90s.

* By the 1990's, books published by boylove-frendly publishers such as [[Acolyte Press]] were banned in several countries including New Zealand, Canada and Ireland. Independent researchers were also harassed when the police searched their houses and confiscated research material (books and articles) in the cases of Gerald P. Jones and [[Thomas O'Carroll|Tom O’Carroll]]. O'Carroll, as his article explains, has also been cancelled by publishing houses, in addition to the later Wordpress decision.

*In June 17, 1996 an article by [[Mary Eberstadt]] with the title "Pedophilia chic" appeared in Weekly Standard<ref>https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/weekly-standard/pedophilia-chic-2623</ref> outlining the public challenges to the [[taboo]] of [[pedophilia]]. This article further fuelled the censorship and intimidation attempts and a host of conservative organizations and journalists took the role of watchdogs, ready to denounce what they considered as "Inappropriate research".

* [[Chris Brand]], professor of psychology at Edinburgh University lost his position in 1997 after publicly defending Nobel Prize winner physicist [[Carleton Gajdusek|Daniel Gajdusek]] whom was facing a sentence for sexual relations with a boy.

* Another victim was David Buchanan, barrister in New South Wales, Australia, Richard Guilliatt, senior Writer in Sydney Morning Herald, Lex Watson, senior Lecturer in Government in University of Sydney and others whose papers were "purged" from Australian Insitute of Criminology publication Paedophilia: policy and prevention (1997). In their papers, Buchanan, Guilliatt, Watson and others challenged conventional wisdom regarding recovered memories of child abuse, sex between adults and adolescents, and the [[Age of Consent]].

* Ellis Hanson, professor of English at Cornell University who has been teaching a course on “The sexual child”, also offended the censors. In 1998, "Accuracy in Academia", a conservative group that, according to its mission statement “wants schools to return to their traditional mission-the quest for truth” called Cornell University to cancel the teaching of the course. Their evidence against Hanson was only their highly innacurate reading of the course's syllabus.

'''In the 21st Century, censorship has continued in this arena. Victims include:'''

* [[Bruce Rind]], from Temple University, [[Robert Bauserman]], psychologist at the State of Maryland and [[Philip Tromovitch]] a (then) PhD student, after the publication of Rind et al. (1998) article in American Psychological Association journal Psychological Bulletin. After the National Association for Research and Treatment of Homosexuality denounced the study in their website, radio-host Laura Schlessinger attacked the article as being "junk science" and finally, the U.S. Congress unanimously condemned the scientific article. Rind et al. (2000, 2001), however, exposed the political motivations of their critics and Lilienfeld (2002) identified the multiple errors of analysis, reasoning, and logic evident in the arguments of many of the more vocal of their public critics. In addition, one of the two congressmen whom abstained from condemning the article explained why the condemnation was ridiculous (Baird 2002).

* [[Bruce Rind]], from Temple University (again!) for his article "Pederasty: An Integration of Cross-Cultural, Cross-Species, and Empirical Data" in a special 2005 issue of the Journal of Homosexuality. The article was accepted for publication and appeared in the pre-publication list but was later withdrawn after pressure to its publisher, Haworth Press. In addition to the attacks to particular scientists and researchers, science came under attack when the Brongersma Foundation archive was seized by the Dutch police in 2000.

* The late [[Harris Mirkin]], Associate Professor of Political Science (University of Missouri, Kansas City) for publishing his article "The Pattern of Sexual Politics: [[Feminism]], [[Homosexuality]] and [[Pedophilia]]," in Journal of Homosexuality in 1999. The Missouri House of Representatives voted 102-29 to eliminate professor Harris Mirkin's salary from the higher education budget in the coming year.

* The late [[Vern Bullough]], Distinguished Professor of State University of New York and Emeritus Professor of California State University was attacked for being in Paidika's editorial board (Bullough 2000).

* [[Judith Levine]] for her book Harmful to Minors: the perils of protecting children from sex (2002). The book was turned down by several publishers, due to its controversial topic but finally was published by the prestigious University of Minnesota Press. The book was denounced by several religion fundamentalists months prior to its publication. Robert Knight the spokesperson of the anti-homosexual, anti-evolution and anti-abortion propaganda organization “Concerned Women for America” threatened that “if the Regents of the University of Minnesota do not act quickly to fire those responsible, the people of Minnesota and their elected representatives should move quickly to replace them.”

* Scott O. Lilienfeld, professor of psychology at Emory University for his article "When Worlds Collide: Social Science, Politics, and the Rind et al. (1998) Child Sexual Abuse Meta-Analysis". When Lilienfeld submitted the manuscript to American Psychologist (a journal of the American Psychological Association), the journal's editor overruled the ad hoc editor and its decision to publish the article because it did contain much criticism he personally didn't like. Under pressure from the scientific community, the article was eventually accepted for publication.

* The late [[Ralph Underwager]], psychologist member of the [[False Memory Syndrome Foundation]]. Ralph Underwager was attacked for giving an interview which was published in Paidika: The Journal of Paedophilia and was presented by reporters as "a known pedophile".

*According to Amin (2014),

::[A] ''"lengthy 1973 special issue of the journal Recherches edited by Félix Guattari and titled "Three Billion Perverts" ("Trois milliards de pervers"), ''[...]'' is composed of a combination of erotic photos and drawings, homosexual "détournements" of comics and illustrations from French Boy Scout novels, masturbatory autobiographic narratives, and transcribed conversations, along with more recognizably political declarations and analyses. ''[...]'' This erotic and, indeed, pornographic frankness is likely why Guattari was found guilty, as the editor, of affronting public decency: his apartment was searched, and the existing journal issues were confiscated. ''[...]'' The chapter on pedophilia ''[...]'' censored as recently as 2002 in the special issue’s online publication, opens with a transcribed dialogue between Max, a forty-year-old pederast who prefers adolescents but occasionally has sex with prepubescent boys, and his former boy beloveds, twenty-five-year-old Truc and nineteen-year-old Albert, both of whom are now heterosexual."<ref>[https://annas-archive.org/md5/a4bfa9ca1e6ff4fb00bf63cf570f0c2e Kadji Amin, ''Disturbing Attachments''] (2014), p. 86, p. 116. Amin adds: "In 2002, a password protected version adapted to the internet was published on the site of the French journal Critical Secret — this version was effectively censored, the “Pedophilia” chapter removed. See Genosko, “The Figure of the Arab in Three Billion Perverts,” 62. The link on the website is currently inactive." (footnote 22, p. 217). The citation is: “La pédophilie.” In “Trois milliards de pervers: Grande encyclopédie des homosexualités.”'' Special issue, Recherches 12 (1973), pp. 116–28.</ref>

* [[Richard Yuill]], who was awarded his PhD in Sociology from Glasgow University in December 2004. His research topic was “Male adult-youth relationships in the United Kingdom”. Reflecting on the difficulties in writing and publishing on the reality of intergenerational encounters, historian Rachel Hope Cleves summarizes Yuill's story in her 2020 book on once famous and influential pederast Norman Douglas [reviewed [[Norman_Douglas|here]]]. She writes: "When Yuill was a PhD candidate in sociology at Glasgow University writing his dissertation, “Male Age- Discrepant Intergenerational Sexualities and Relationships,” he was subjected to multiple investigations by his university, had his research materials reviewed by the police, was attacked repeatedly in the British press, and had his completed dissertation embargoed for five years." Yuill himself details these experiences in his 2010 scholarly article "''Interrogating the Essential: Moral Baselines on Adult-Child Sex''" (read [https://www.ipce.info/library/journal-article/interrogating-essential-moral-baselines-adult-child-sex here]), and documents attacks on researchers most fully in his 2013 [https://archive.org/details/censoringsexresearch/page/n3/mode/2up book chapter] "''Intergenerational Sexualities: A Case Study on the Colonization of Late Modern Sexual Subjects and Researcher Agendas''."

* Red Rose Stories was shut down by the FBI late 2005, and its owner sentenced in 2008.<ref>[https://www.xbiz.com/news/10680/red-rose-stories-closed-by-fbi XBIZ] and [https://www.computerworld.com/article/2533543/new-obscenity-charges-raise-questions-in-internet-age.html Computerworld]</ref>
::''"And in August, Karen Fletcher, a 56-year-old Pennsylvania woman, was sentenced to five years of probation, including six months of home detention, and forfeiture of her computer after pleading guilty to six counts of using an interactive computer service to distribute obscene materials. Fletcher owned and operated the Web site Red Rose Stories, which featured stories, but no pictures, describing sexual molestation and violence against children."''

* In 2006, an Australian was jailed for similar stories:
::''"In what is considered a Territory first, a man has been sent to jail for possessing fictional text stories about sex with children. Former senior public servant Nick Gill was sentenced to 14 days' jail, suspended on the rising of the court, and fined $3000 after being found guilty of having 66 stories, featuring mostly young boys, on his desktop computer. There were no images involved in the case."''<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20071114124530/www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,18748877-17001,00.html</ref>

* Later, even [[Lolita]] came under fire.<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20210717092249/https://www.wesh.com/article/lolita-could-be-pulled-from-library-s-shelves/4343666</ref>

* Also in 2006, [[Dieter Gieseking]] was fined for promoting the German version of nonfiction work [[Loving Boys]] by [[Edward Brongersma]] (ISBN 3-922257-71-2), although this was eventually overturned.<ref>[https://www.norbertdejonge.nl/misc/pdf/1999-04-15_Loving_Boys.pdf Loving Boys], [https://www.bzkj.de/bzkj/meta/en "By including them in the List of Media Harmful to Young Persons, data and telemedia are subject to extensive sales and distribution restrictions as well as an advertising ban. However, with a few exceptions, they may still be made available to adults."], [https://krumme13.org/text.php?s=list&kid=49 K13]</ref>

* In 2008, with no provocation, Dutch police intimidated and ousted the [[PNVD]] from a general anti-state demonstration.

*In 2009, reproductions of a famous photograph featuring [[Brooke Shields]] were removed from the Tate Modern gallery in the UK. Lawyers advised they would not meet the definition of obscenity, required by UK law, however.<ref>[https://time.com/archive/6948190/nude-brooke-shields-causes-a-flap-at-londons-tate/ TIME on Tate Modern controversy]</ref>

* In 2013, [[Wikipedia:Tom Flanagan (political scientist)#Child_pornography|Tom Flanagan]], a Canadian political strategist and academic was effectively erased from public life after suggesting (when deliberately provoked) that simple accessing of [[Child Pornography]] should not be punishable with prison time.<ref>[https://edmonton.ctvnews.ca/uproar-over-child-porn-comments-made-by-former-wildrose-campaign-manager-1.1175938 Uproar over child porn comments made by former Wildrose campaign manager] and [https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/video/1.441072 Flanagan's child porn comments], [https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/video/1.441024 Power Panel on Flanagan]</ref><ref>See videos from CBC and others at the time [https://fstube.net/w/6rBJyn1a4AE8D87xrWEAp3] and compare to [https://fstube.net/w/arywNiK1SDzAwXav2CUkbU] and [https://fstube.net/w/x16iuZxtPQ89b9H5ZYzpST] post-controversy.</ref>

* In 2019, author Yvan Godbout and editor Nycolas Doucet were prosecuted for stories:
::''"It is our understanding that the prosecution of the author and publisher in this case stems from the description, on one page of a 270-page horror novel, of the sexual assault of a young child."''<ref>https://ccla.org/letter-quebec-minister-justice-regarding-child-pornography-prosecution-authoreditor/</ref>

* Also in 2019, Thomas Alan Arthur (Mr. Double) was arrested for trafficking stories. In 2021, he was sentenced:
:''"A federal judge today sentenced 65-year-old Thomas Alan Arthur to 40 years in federal prison for operating a website dedicated to publishing writings that detailed the sexual abuse of children."''<ref>[https://abcu8.co/2021/01/22/thomas-alan-arthur-64-of-terlingua-ran-a-website-featuring-stories-about-child-sexual-abuse-it-was-his-sole-income-for-20-years/ 1], [https://www.cbs7.com/content/news/FBI-arrests-man-in-connection-to-website-that-trafficks-in-child-sex-abuse-stories-564860402.html 2], [https://www.justice.gov/usao-wdtx/pr/terlingua-man-sentenced-prison-running-child-obscenity-website 3]</ref>

* Some attacks focus on censorship of public spaces. In September 2019, an artist working for the Hermosa Beach Mural Project, California, was pressured to remove poet [[Allen Ginsberg]]'s image when repainting a public mural which featured him. Condemned by ''The National Coalition Against Censorship'' (NCAC), the new mural removed Ginsberg.

* On the 30th of August 2020, the "Hocquenghem affair" saw a militant feminist pour fake blood on a plaque commemorating MAP ally queer theorist [[Guy Hocquenghem]]. The city administration removed the plaque a few days later.<ref>[https://girlhocquenghem.neocities.org/2020/09/29/reading-hocquenghem Reading Hocquenghem], ''Trou Noir'' 28 September 2020, September issue.</ref>

* On the 12th January, 2022, a man wielding a hammer climbed atop [[Eric Gill]]'s statue of Shakespeare characters Prospero & Ariel, and etched the hate-speech message: “Noose all paedos”. In response to negative media attention, the Ditchling Museum of Art and Craft in East Sussex, widely known as “the Eric Gill museum”, "for most of 2022 removed all trace of Gill, his work remaining in storage".

== Censorship on the web ==
[[File:Suspension.jpg|thumb|The perpetual cycle of suspension and rebirth of a [[Minor Attracted Person]] on [[MAP visibility on Twitter|X.com]]]]
Modern online censorship is now the norm for topics far less controversial than attraction to minors. Most of us have heard the well-publicised examples of Americans losing their jobs for supporting right-of-center political causes, and Australians being visited in their own homes after sharing anti-vaccine memes on Facebook. Therefore, it is unsurprising that simply questioning the [[trauma myth]] or [[Child Sexual Abuse]] orthodoxy is likely to result in permanent blocks from social media sites or [[Wikipedia censorship of MAP related topics|Wikipedia]] for example.

Major governments have attempted to censor legal sites via blocking; see [[Special Article: Adverse effects of hysteria#Censorship|Trojan Horse Censorship]], but most censorship is effectively outsourced to the private sector. [[Child Pornography]] details some of these infringements upon civil liberties.

===By government order===

* In 2022, Dutch Public Prosecutors ordered [[Brongersma.info]] (an information archive of quotes, old magazines and talking points that in and of itself violated no laws) removed from the internet. Months later, it reappeared outside of the jurisdiction, owing to preventative efforts by its former administrator, [[Marthijn Uittenbogaard]] and members of the [[Minor attracted community]].

===Private entities===

* It has been argued that stock photo repositories exclude images of 11-15 year old pubescent youths, opting for small children or young adults either side of this age range. While this claim needs investigating with detailed statistical analysis, excluding youth who are not mature, yet also not immature would appear to simplify matters for customers who rely on the marketing of "children" and "teen/young adult" as categories.
* YouTube (headquartered in [[California]]) is now firmly embedded in its policy of removing politically controversial content regarding [[minor-adult sex]] and [[pedophilia]], either by per-video censorship or complete removal of accounts. However, due to the size of the website, some have been allowed to prosper. Similar actions have been taken against [[Vigilantism|self-styled vigilantes]] who make death threats towards pedophiles, incite others to action or threaten and harass minors who appear to support those who they see as pedophiles.
* MCI Canada, upstream provider for [[Epifora]] (ISP for Free Spirits, operator of [[BoyChat]] and BoyWiki, among other sites) has sent Epifora a notice of termination on the grounds of violation of Verizon's acceptable use policy. (Verizon is the parent company of MCI Canada.) Epifora's president, Camper, has suggested that this action is due to pressure brought to bear on Verizon by the anti-pedophile vigilante organization Perverted Justice.<ref>http://www.boychat.org/messages/1033662.htm BC:1033662</ref>
* Media Design, once host of the Netherlands party Naastenliefde, Vrijheid en Diversiteit ([[PNVD]]), is ending its contract to host their website.<ref>http://www.boychat.org/messages/1003341.htm BC:1003341</ref>
* Search engine Ask.com is blocking searches containing terms pedophile, pedophilia, and child sexual abuse. Searches including terms bestiality and necrophilia are also blocked.<ref>http://www.boychat.org/messages/1007958.htm BC:1007958</ref><ref>http://web.archive.org/web/20061116103356/blog.outer-court.com/archive/2006-06-23-n12.html</ref>
* CafePress shut down a site established by [[Rookiee]] on the grounds that it violated their acceptable use policy.<ref>http://www.boychat.org/messages/1025920.htm BC:1025920</ref>
* [[Blogger censorship|Blogger]] deleted up to 50 blogs owned by pedophiles and supporters including [[Rookiee]], and also others which opposed incest or made available reliable data concerning the issue. The reasons for this were an organised campaign of complaints by [[Absolute Zero]], in conjunction with a flexible ToS. Some individuals tried to save the websites that were taken down. A similar purge was carried out at LiveJournal, a few months later.<ref>http://www.boychat.org/messages/1068180.htm BC:1068180</ref>
* [[Wikipedia censorship of MAP related topics|Wikipedia]] (headquartered in [[California]]) censor their articles by proxy of blocking any editor who focuses on [[Child Abuse]] topics and introduces either neutral or radical sourced information. They have also removed whole articles for reasons related to political correctness (see [[archive]]). One contact passed on this private comment from one of their less pleased site admins: "I don't believe that Wikipedia is going to have a paedophile related article that is neutral in the proper sense of the word now or in the forseeable future. It appears to be an editorial decision that the subject matter is too sensitive, and the risk of appearing to condone (that is, not to condemn but appear impartial) the practice is one that the Foundation, Board, etc. are not prepared to take.".
* '''Medium''' (headquartered in [[California]]) and other private entities will ban even [[Preventionism|preventionist]] authors such as '''Timothy N. Fury''', because they are pedophiles.<ref>https://tnf13stories.wordpress.com/2018/09/01/censorship-of-sex-abuse-preventionists/</ref><ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20200811002431/https://aboutpedophilia.com/2018/09/01/censorship-of-sex-abuse-preventionists/</ref>
* '''Wordpress''' (headquartered in [[California]]) has removed authors such as [[Thomas O'Carroll]] and the anti-contact [[Pediverse|Lecter]].
*In 2022, Neocities.org purged [[Media:Pedopunk.pdf|Pedopunk]] - a [https://fwucky.art/ Zine] posted at fwucky.neocities.org, after outrage following its posting on [[MAP visibility on Twitter|Twitter]].
*'''The Internet Archive''' (headquartered in [[California]]) regularly censors websites associated with MAPs. [[Newgon]](.com), [[BoyChat]], and [[FreeSpeechTube]] are among the victims. Even [[Scott De Orio]]'s thesis was removed, supposedly because it contained references to pedophilia and pedophile activist organizations.<ref>[https://archive.org/details/orio-punish De Orio's thesis removed from Archive.org] ([[Media:Sadeorio_1.pdf|local backup]])</ref>

=== Censorship-resistant sites ===

* Slashdot rarely removes user comments, relying instead on an algorithmic moderation system based on user ratings.<ref>http://www.boychat.org/messages/1000283.htm BC:1000283</ref> Comments critical of policy established for protection of children are frequently seen there. [[BoyChat]] poster ILGO successfully published a front-page story entitled State of Ohio Establishes "Pre-Crime" Registry, which recieved hundreds of user comments, many supportive of the boylover position.<ref>http://politics.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/09/03/2235250</ref><ref>http://www.boychat.org/messages/1025366.htm BC:1025366</ref> As of 2021, Slashdot still provides evidence for one of the first known uses of the term "[[Minor Attracted Person]]", as the author had copied it from his blog.<ref>https://slashdot.org/~Brian+Ribbon/journal</ref>
* Quora has been a useful place for MAPs to post articles and answers in the early 2020s.
* [[Pediverse|Fediverse]] (decentralized) sites are promising in this regard, since they are very hard to censor if users of each "instance" are in the same boat. MAPs have been [[Minor attracted community|seen in some numbers]] on Mastodon and Pleroma.

== References ==

* Baird, B. N. (2002) "Politics, Operant Conditioning, Galileo, and the American Psychological Association’s Response to Rind et al. (1998)," American Psychologist 57(3): 189-192.
* Bauserman, R. (1990) “Objectivity and ideology: criticism of Theo Sandfort’s research on man-boy sexual relations,” Journal of Homosexuality 20(1/2): 297-312.
* Bullough, V.L. (2000) "The Pedophile Smear," The Position: An online journal, June 12.
* Lilienfeld, S. O. (2002) "When worlds collide: social science, politics, and the Rind et al. (1998) child sexual abuse meta-analysis," American Psychologist 57(3): 176-188.
* Rind, B., Bauserman, R., and Tromovitch, P. (2000) "Science versus orthodoxy: Anatomy of the Congressional Condemnation of a Scientific Article and Reflections on Remedies for Future Ideological Attacks," Applied & Preventive Psychology 9: 211-225.
* Rind, B., Bauserman, R., and Tromovitch, P. (2001) "The Condemned Meta-Analysis on Child Sexual Abuse: Good science and long-overdue skepticism," Skeptical Inquirer 25(4): 68-72.
* Tsang, D. (2005) "Moral Panic and the Age Taboo," Paper presented at the International Association for the Study of Sexuality, Culture and Society conference.

==References==

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Agecuck

2026-04-04T00:26:53Z

JJ1: clarification

An '''agecuck''' is an individual who opposes romantic and/or sexual relationships to people, usually women, solely because their chronological age is lower than an arbitrarily decided duration (usually 18 years), disregarding their physical and mental maturity.

Agecucks are usually either men who subconsciously try to attack competing men because they are secretly attracted to the "minor" woman themselves, or older women who are trying to shame men for being attracted to women younger than themselves, to eliminate competition from the "dating pool".

Agecucks label men attracted to physically mature teenage women as "pedophiles" due to the high shock value of that word, even though "pedophilia" means attraction to prepubescent people. This is possible due to the social construct "age of majority", which labels people ranging from both toddlers and mature teenagers with the overarching umbrella term "minors", disregarding their differences in physical maturity.

It is natural for heterosexual couples to form where the woman is younger, given that women on average enter puberty earlier and mature faster than men, and women usually desire more mature and sexually experienced men.

Male agecucks are themselves usually secretly sexually attracted to physically mature reproductive teenage women who happen to be younger than 18 years, but do not admit it due to social implications.

The idea that romantic relationships and eroticism are traumatic by default to teenagers is a social construct. In males, sex during puberty does not cause permanent brain damage - the lack thereof does.<ref>[https://incels.wiki/w/Teen_love_pill Teen love pill - Incel Wiki]</ref> And women are constantly socially indoctrinated by agecucks that any "sex as a minor" is traumatic and abusive, until they start believing it (expectation bias), and women who were already sexually active as "minors" change their minds retroactively, even if they originally did not perceive it as such (see [[#Alanis Morissette]]).

== Case studies ==
=== Jax ===
One example for an agecuck is "Jax" on YouTube, who infantilizes mature teenage women in his video "Why Have There Been So Many Child Groomers Recently?", even refering to men dating or sleeping with women who have already become legal adults (18 years old) as "[[grooming|groomers]]", due to those women being close to being minors.<ref name="jax-video">[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dmFUOvAVig Why Have There Been So Many Child Groomers Recently?] - Jax (content warning: agecuck propaganda)</ref>

Here, Jax argues against using the law to determine morality, while ironically using the rigid and arbitrary number of years of age in the law to distinguish between "minors" and "adults":

<blockquote>
[03:09]
This guy, Charem, groomed somebody who was underage into being a participant into NSFW conversations and engagement as soon as they turned 18. Some freaks who believe the law determines morality believe this is OK for some reason, despite this literally being textbook grooming.
</blockquote>

Here, "Jax" fails to address the argument (because he couldn't) and resorted to an ad-hominem attack instead:

<blockquote>
[16:17]
He frequently attempted to manipulate the victim by talking about "maturity", and saying that "age doesn't matter, only maturity does", which is a common justification by predators such as this.
</blockquote>
<ref name="jax-video" />

=== Alanis Morissette ===
Canadian singer Alanis Morissette (born in 1974) became sexually active at the age of 15, meaning in the year 1989 or 1990. This is before 2008, where the age of consent in Canada was raised from 14 to 16, so the adult man who slept with her did not violate the law at that time.

She originally enjoyed intercourse with the adult man, but was thereafter patronized by the people around her that something horrible was done to her, until she started believing it:

<blockquote>
It took me years in therapy to even admit there had been any kind of victimization on my part. I would always say I was consenting, and then I'd be reminded like 'Hey, you were 15, you're not consenting at 15.' Now I'm like, 'Oh yeah, they're all pedophiles. It's all statutory rape.'
</blockquote>
<ref>[https://archive.today/2026.01.15-212257/https://web.archive.org/web/20250522001127/https://www.businessinsider.nl/alanis-morissette-says-she-was-raped-by-multiple-men-in-new-hbo-documentary-jagged/ Alanis Morissette says she was raped by multiple men in new HBO documentary ‘Jagged’ - Business Insider Nederland]</ref>

The erotic acts were not what traumatized her - it was the non-stop patronization by her social circle.

== References ==
<references />

== External links ==
* [https://incels.is/threads/the-agecuck-song-laszlo-ft-urlaubsinsel-parody.850399/ The agecuck song! - LASZLO ft. Urlaubsinsel (parody) | Incels.is - Involuntary Celibate Forum]
* [https://incels.is/threads/why-agecucks-are-opposed-to-adult-teen-couples.828623/ Why agecucks are opposed to adult-teen couples. | Incels.is - Involuntary Celibate Forum]
* [https://archive.org/details/MumkeysAnimeReviews/003.+B+Gata+H+Kei_+Yamada's+First+Time+-+Mumkey's+Anime+Reviews+%233.mp4 B Gata H Kei: Yamada's First Time - Mumkey's Anime Reviews] - Mumkey Jones (The video asks the viewer to guess which of the two women is 18 years old and which of them is 15, following by switching the ages around.)
* [https://theantifeminist.com/different-types-of-age-cuck-explained/ "Different Types of Age Cuck Explained" - The AntiFeminist]
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Agecuck

2026-04-04T00:14:25Z

JJ1: /* External links */ Added another high-value thread.

An '''agecuck''' is an individual who opposes romantic or sexual relationships to people, usually women, solely because their chronological age is lower than an arbitrarily decided number (usually 18), disregarding their physical and mental maturity.

Agecucks are usually either men who subconsciously try to attack competing men because they are secretly attracted to the "minor" woman themselves, or older women who are trying to shame men for being attracted to women younger than themselves, to eliminate competition from the "dating pool".

Agecucks label men attracted to physically mature teenage women as "pedophiles" due to the high shock value of that word, even though "pedophilia" means attraction to prepubescent people. This is possible due to the social construct "age of majority", which labels people ranging from both toddlers and mature teenagers with the overarching umbrella term "minors", disregarding their differences in physical maturity.

It is natural for heterosexual couples to form where the woman is younger, given that women on average enter puberty earlier and mature faster than men, and women usually desire more mature and sexually experienced men.

Male agecucks are themselves usually secretly sexually attracted to physically mature reproductive teenage women who happen to be younger than 18 years, but do not admit it due to social implications.

The idea that romantic relationships and eroticism are traumatic by default to teenagers is a social construct. In males, sex during puberty does not cause permanent brain damage - the lack thereof does.<ref>[https://incels.wiki/w/Teen_love_pill Teen love pill - Incel Wiki]</ref> And women are constantly socially indoctrinated by agecucks that any "sex as a minor" is traumatic and abusive, until they start believing it (expectation bias), and women who were already sexually active as "minors" change their minds retroactively, even if they originally did not perceive it as such (see [[#Alanis Morissette]]).

== Case studies ==
=== Jax ===
One example for an agecuck is "Jax" on YouTube, who infantilizes mature teenage women in his video "Why Have There Been So Many Child Groomers Recently?", even refering to men dating or sleeping with women who have already become legal adults (18 years old) as "[[grooming|groomers]]", due to those women being close to being minors.<ref name="jax-video">[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dmFUOvAVig Why Have There Been So Many Child Groomers Recently?] - Jax (content warning: agecuck propaganda)</ref>

Here, Jax argues against using the law to determine morality, while ironically using the rigid and arbitrary number of years of age in the law to distinguish between "minors" and "adults":

<blockquote>
[03:09]
This guy, Charem, groomed somebody who was underage into being a participant into NSFW conversations and engagement as soon as they turned 18. Some freaks who believe the law determines morality believe this is OK for some reason, despite this literally being textbook grooming.
</blockquote>

Here, "Jax" fails to address the argument (because he couldn't) and resorted to an ad-hominem attack instead:

<blockquote>
[16:17]
He frequently attempted to manipulate the victim by talking about "maturity", and saying that "age doesn't matter, only maturity does", which is a common justification by predators such as this.
</blockquote>
<ref name="jax-video" />

=== Alanis Morissette ===
Canadian singer Alanis Morissette (born in 1974) became sexually active at the age of 15, meaning in the year 1989 or 1990. This is before 2008, where the age of consent in Canada was raised from 14 to 16, so the adult man who slept with her did not violate the law at that time.

She originally enjoyed intercourse with the adult man, but was thereafter patronized by the people around her that something horrible was done to her, until she started believing it:

<blockquote>
It took me years in therapy to even admit there had been any kind of victimization on my part. I would always say I was consenting, and then I'd be reminded like 'Hey, you were 15, you're not consenting at 15.' Now I'm like, 'Oh yeah, they're all pedophiles. It's all statutory rape.'
</blockquote>
<ref>[https://archive.today/2026.01.15-212257/https://web.archive.org/web/20250522001127/https://www.businessinsider.nl/alanis-morissette-says-she-was-raped-by-multiple-men-in-new-hbo-documentary-jagged/ Alanis Morissette says she was raped by multiple men in new HBO documentary ‘Jagged’ - Business Insider Nederland]</ref>

The erotic acts were not what traumatized her - it was the non-stop patronization by her social circle.

== References ==
<references />

== External links ==
* [https://incels.is/threads/the-agecuck-song-laszlo-ft-urlaubsinsel-parody.850399/ The agecuck song! - LASZLO ft. Urlaubsinsel (parody) | Incels.is - Involuntary Celibate Forum]
* [https://incels.is/threads/why-agecucks-are-opposed-to-adult-teen-couples.828623/ Why agecucks are opposed to adult-teen couples. | Incels.is - Involuntary Celibate Forum]
* [https://archive.org/details/MumkeysAnimeReviews/003.+B+Gata+H+Kei_+Yamada's+First+Time+-+Mumkey's+Anime+Reviews+%233.mp4 B Gata H Kei: Yamada's First Time - Mumkey's Anime Reviews] - Mumkey Jones (The video asks the viewer to guess which of the two women is 18 years old and which of them is 15, following by switching the ages around.)
* [https://theantifeminist.com/different-types-of-age-cuck-explained/ "Different Types of Age Cuck Explained" - The AntiFeminist]
[[Category:Terminology]]
__NOTOC__

Agecuck

2026-04-04T00:06:55Z

JJ1: Created page with "An '''agecuck''' is an individual who opposes romantic or sexual relationships to people, usually women, solely because their chronological age is lower than an arbitrarily decided number (usually 18), disregarding their physical and mental maturity. Agecucks are usually either men who subconsciously try to attack competing men because they are secretly attracted to the "minor" woman themselves, or older women who are trying to shame men for being attracted to women you..."

An '''agecuck''' is an individual who opposes romantic or sexual relationships to people, usually women, solely because their chronological age is lower than an arbitrarily decided number (usually 18), disregarding their physical and mental maturity.

Agecucks are usually either men who subconsciously try to attack competing men because they are secretly attracted to the "minor" woman themselves, or older women who are trying to shame men for being attracted to women younger than themselves, to eliminate competition from the "dating pool".

Agecucks label men attracted to physically mature teenage women as "pedophiles" due to the high shock value of that word, even though "pedophilia" means attraction to prepubescent people. This is possible due to the social construct "age of majority", which labels people ranging from both toddlers and mature teenagers with the overarching umbrella term "minors", disregarding their differences in physical maturity.

It is natural for heterosexual couples to form where the woman is younger, given that women on average enter puberty earlier and mature faster than men, and women usually desire more mature and sexually experienced men.

Male agecucks are themselves usually secretly sexually attracted to physically mature reproductive teenage women who happen to be younger than 18 years, but do not admit it due to social implications.

The idea that romantic relationships and eroticism are traumatic by default to teenagers is a social construct. In males, sex during puberty does not cause permanent brain damage - the lack thereof does.<ref>[https://incels.wiki/w/Teen_love_pill Teen love pill - Incel Wiki]</ref> And women are constantly socially indoctrinated by agecucks that any "sex as a minor" is traumatic and abusive, until they start believing it (expectation bias), and women who were already sexually active as "minors" change their minds retroactively, even if they originally did not perceive it as such (see [[#Alanis Morissette]]).

== Case studies ==
=== Jax ===
One example for an agecuck is "Jax" on YouTube, who infantilizes mature teenage women in his video "Why Have There Been So Many Child Groomers Recently?", even refering to men dating or sleeping with women who have already become legal adults (18 years old) as "[[grooming|groomers]]", due to those women being close to being minors.<ref name="jax-video">[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dmFUOvAVig Why Have There Been So Many Child Groomers Recently?] - Jax (content warning: agecuck propaganda)</ref>

Here, Jax argues against using the law to determine morality, while ironically using the rigid and arbitrary number of years of age in the law to distinguish between "minors" and "adults":

<blockquote>
[03:09]
This guy, Charem, groomed somebody who was underage into being a participant into NSFW conversations and engagement as soon as they turned 18. Some freaks who believe the law determines morality believe this is OK for some reason, despite this literally being textbook grooming.
</blockquote>

Here, "Jax" fails to address the argument (because he couldn't) and resorted to an ad-hominem attack instead:

<blockquote>
[16:17]
He frequently attempted to manipulate the victim by talking about "maturity", and saying that "age doesn't matter, only maturity does", which is a common justification by predators such as this.
</blockquote>
<ref name="jax-video" />

=== Alanis Morissette ===
Canadian singer Alanis Morissette (born in 1974) became sexually active at the age of 15, meaning in the year 1989 or 1990. This is before 2008, where the age of consent in Canada was raised from 14 to 16, so the adult man who slept with her did not violate the law at that time.

She originally enjoyed intercourse with the adult man, but was thereafter patronized by the people around her that something horrible was done to her, until she started believing it:

<blockquote>
It took me years in therapy to even admit there had been any kind of victimization on my part. I would always say I was consenting, and then I'd be reminded like 'Hey, you were 15, you're not consenting at 15.' Now I'm like, 'Oh yeah, they're all pedophiles. It's all statutory rape.'
</blockquote>
<ref>[https://archive.today/2026.01.15-212257/https://web.archive.org/web/20250522001127/https://www.businessinsider.nl/alanis-morissette-says-she-was-raped-by-multiple-men-in-new-hbo-documentary-jagged/ Alanis Morissette says she was raped by multiple men in new HBO documentary ‘Jagged’ - Business Insider Nederland]</ref>

The erotic acts were not what traumatized her - it was the non-stop patronization by her social circle.

== References ==
<references />

== External links ==
* [https://incels.is/threads/the-agecuck-song-laszlo-ft-urlaubsinsel-parody.850399/ The agecuck song! - LASZLO ft. Urlaubsinsel (parody) | Incels.is - Involuntary Celibate Forum]
* [https://archive.org/details/MumkeysAnimeReviews/003.+B+Gata+H+Kei_+Yamada's+First+Time+-+Mumkey's+Anime+Reviews+%233.mp4 B Gata H Kei: Yamada's First Time - Mumkey's Anime Reviews] - Mumkey Jones (The video asks the viewer to guess which of the two women is 18 years old and which of them is 15, following by switching the ages around.)
* [https://theantifeminist.com/different-types-of-age-cuck-explained/ "Different Types of Age Cuck Explained" - The AntiFeminist]
[[Category:Terminology]]
__NOTOC__

California

2026-04-03T19:23:59Z

JJ1: /* International impact */ added trojan horse meme.

'''California''' is a state located at the western coast of the United States. It is known for being one of the regions with the strictest [[age of consent]] laws in the world.

The age of consent in California is 18 years with no exception for close-in-age sexual partners.<ref>[https://www.age-of-consent.info/california What is the California Legal Age of Consent in 2026?] - "The close-in-age rule in California (3 years) do not provide an exception nor provide any defense; it merely lowers the crime to a misdemeanor."</ref>

== Legal mine field ==
Culturally, any attraction to a person below the social construct "age of majority" is strongly frowned upon, even if that person is physically mature and able to reproduce and looks physically indistinguishable from a slightly older legal adult, given that they are socially infantilized with the label of "minor" that is applied equally to both toddlers and mature teenagers.

Even romantic relationships without intercourse between adults and teenagers are strongly discouraged in the United States.<ref>[https://archive.today/2025.08.28-095740/https://answers.justia.com/question/2019/05/29/can-a-minor-date-an-adult-without-any-se-693922 Can a minor date an adult without any sexual relationship and still be legal? - Nebraska Criminal Law Questions & Answers - Justia Ask A Lawyer]</ref> As usual in the United States, violators of sexuality-related laws are often publicly pillorized on a sex offender registry, no matter how minimal the violation was, for example intercourse with a person one day away from becoming a legal adult.

This makes it a legal mine field for young adults to date and sleep with people at a similar age. There is a risk that one of the partners lies about their age, so people sometimes ask each other for government identification, which can become an unromantic formality.<ref>[https://archive.today/2025.07.01-011740/https://www.reddit.com/r/NoStupidQuestions/comments/8ol8d8/should_you_ask_to_see_a_girls_id_before_sleeping/ Should you ask to see a girls ID before sleeping with her? : NoStupidQuestions] - Reddit</ref>

== International impact ==
Californian culture reaches out internationally, given that all large social media platforms (YouTube, Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, Reddit) and also some other widely used knowledge services including Google, Wikipedia, and OpenAI are headquartered there.

[[File:Trojan horse.jpg|thumb|right|160px|"Child protection" is a political trojan horse.]]
California was also the first state to pass operating system age verification into law, allowing any online service to query the age provided by the user. Here, "child protection" is used as a political trojan horse to get people to accept mass surveillance.<ref>[https://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2026/03/msg00000.html On the unfortunate need for an "age verification" API for legal compliance reasons in some U.S. states - lists.debian.org]</ref><ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adCMNAVBGSQ OS Age Verification: Millions Of Evil People With GPS In Your Kid's Pocket, Required By Law!] - Jody Bruchon</ref>
<div style="float:none; clear:both;"></div>

== References ==
<references />

== External links ==
* [https://incels.is/threads/why-mainstream-social-media-is-agecucked.779054/ Why mainstream social media is agecucked. | Incels.is - Involuntary Celibate Forum]

[[Category:Countries and Cultures]]
[[Category:Anti-Pedophile culture]]
[[Category:Law/Crime: American]]
__NOTOC__

Talk:Main Page

2026-04-03T17:13:56Z

JJ1: Licensing question

=2009=
==Categories==
<categorytree>Official Encyclopedia</categorytree>

It seems to automatically install on all the category pages. On my computer, I get no numbers and just a loading message on expand, but that is probably my problem.

I'm thinking about a brighter, more Wikipedia-like presentation for this page, now that it is basically the home of "Explore" Newgon.com. [[User:Daniel|Daniel]] 10:58, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
:Fixed. For future reference, the problems were at:
:*Line 83 of http://newgon.com/w/skins/common/ajax.js, which should reference newgon.com, not wgServer.
:*Line 683 of CategoryTreeFunctions.php, which escapes necessary apostrophes. [[User:Jillium|Jillium]] 21:20, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

==Nav/search/toolbox tabs==
Can't find them anywhere in the stylesheets. Need them in yellow, and will be redesigning the shoddy logo. [[User:Rez|Rez (The Administrators - anonym)]] 02:06, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
:All of the custom styling is done from [[MediaWiki:Monobook.css]]. The navigation headers are "#p-navigation h5," etc. [[User:Jillium|Jillium]] 03:04, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

==That's good==
I think there are extensions for ordering subcategories within categories. The predictive search function would be another useful extension. [[User:The Admins|The Admins]] 00:18, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
:The predictive search is installed. I don't understand what you mean by the other. [[User:Jillium|Jillium]] 19:35, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

==Space saving==
Is it possible to get all text above the language link/s to justify left of the logo, thus raising more content links to eye level? [[User:The Admins|The Admins]] 14:59, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

==Flags link==
Here the picture with US flag and the word "English": [[Image:Enlink.png]]
See [[Page Principale]]

I have the same picture in french version to replace [[Image:Frlink.PNG]] if you want.

I have the SVG format.

What about [[Image:English-1.PNG]], which uses the Egotism font and includes a british flag? [[User:The Admins|The Admins]] 01:43, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Here a new proposition : [[Image:English-2.png]] and [[Image:French-1.png]] --[[User:Boeotia|Boeotia]] 22:59, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
:I actually have no preference, as both systems will have to be replaced with a more compact, one (probably just small flag links) when we are soliciting editors in multiple laguages. [[User:The Admins|The Admins]] 00:35, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
::Ok, after, we could have a more compact picture and perhaps a CSS/js popup to display the world. ----

=2021=

A proposal: If someone of the ability of Jillium or similar admin comes back to the project, could we look at the possibility of floating this two column format on a mobile device, so on very small screens, column 2 falls below column 1? I have looked at documentation and simply cannot grasp how this could ever be done. --[[User:The Admins|The Admins]] ([[User talk:The Admins|talk]]) 22:36, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

=2026=
== Licensing question ==
Under which license is the content on Newgon released? Is it in the [https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/ public domain (CC0 1.0)]? [[User:JJ1|JJ1]] ([[User talk:JJ1|talk]]) 17:13, 3 April 2026 (UTC)

FreeSpeechTube

2026-04-03T16:05:35Z

JJ1: Added :File:FreeSpeechTube logo.zip.

[[File:Fst logo.jpg|thumb|Logo of the first incarnation FST. See [[File:FreeSpeechTube logo.zip]] for a vector version.]]__NOTOC__
'''FreeSpeechTube''' ('''fstube.net''' aka '''FST''') is a free-speech tolerant, independent video hosting platform and archive, founded 10 March, 2019 by [[Norbert de Jonge]]. It was closed in mid-February, 2023, following an attack, and then replaced with the present PeerTube site.

===FST and online celebrities===

FST is particularly well known for supporting [[Minor Attracted Person|MAPs]] in their quest for a safer, [[censorship]]-free online space. Early on in its existence, it was known as a hangout for [[Amos Yee]], swelling its viewership figures considerably. In its first iteration's later years, FST was known for hosting the Dutch activist, [[Nelson Maatman]] among others.

The second (PeerTube) iteration of FST saw a dramatic increase in users in 2025, rising from 60 monthly users to above 150. This was partly due to a YouTube [[Anti]] influencer, SlyBoy, attempting to dox users of the [[Pediverse]], which FST is often considered part of by its MAP users.

==FST v1.0==

Early on in its life, restrictions had to be imposed against NSFW "NN" type content. This material was determined to be posing an existential threat to the site, due to moderation demands, and the general [[censorship]] liability.

Over the years, viewership faded, and De Jonge left the project in 2022, owing to his personal situation. This left FST with no technical support, moderation, or other contingencies, barring a secure hosting arrangement. The original FST nevertheless persisted for almost a year, until it began to face some issues with Pakistani commercial spammers and then an unsophisticated [["Pedophile Activism" hoaxes|sock farm pushing rape apologia]]. The latter operation was thought by many casual observers to be started by, or related to an [[Operation Underground Railroad|aggressive group of American Mormons]] who were at the time planning an online documentary about Maatman (and, it was assumed, seeking to misrepresent the [[MAP Movement]] by engaging in online astro-turfing and disruption).

Following its closure, FST was delisted from the Internet Archive within 2 months.

==FST v2.0 phoenix project==
[[File:Rhgbgbyut.png|thumb|Screenshot of the light skin of FST v2.0]]
Following the technical outage, FreeSpeechTube is being reconstructed using a federated video sharing model (PeerTube). The content policy is intended to mirror the minimum legal requirements of its host jurisdiction (Sweden).

Ownership of the FreeSpeechTube domain and name is yet to be secured by the project, however an archive of the site's videos is now in the hands of project co-ordinators and needs to be integrated with collated metadata salvaged from archives. It is thought the transition to [[Wikipedia:Fediverse|Fediverse]] will allow technical updates to continue for the foreseeable future.

===FST v2.0===

*[http://fstube.net FST] relaunched as a PeerTube site, and will not contain the material formerly hosted on FST until it has been thoroughly tested. Many former users of the first site have since taken this into their own hands by reuploading their most treasured content. This project is independent of [[Norbert de Jonge]].

==External links==

*[http://freespeechtube.org FST (the old domain, which is under offer)]
*[https://web.archive.org/web/20220117050106/https://www.sfstube.nl/SFSTube/ Stichting FreeSpeechTube] - Website explaining the site's mission

Various news stories can be found concerning FST:

*[https://web.archive.org/web/20200407110919/https://www.telegraaf.nl/nieuws/1769411969/onderzoek-om-naar-website-met-martijn-video-s Dutch Article concerning FST]

[[Category:Official Encyclopedia]][[Category:Censorship]][[Category:Cyber Activism]][[Category:TV & Media]][[Category:Websites]][[Category:Websites: MAP]][[Category:Websites: Sympathetic]]

File:FreeSpeechTube logo.zip

2026-04-03T16:03:26Z

JJ1: Original URL was: https://web.archive.org/web/20210207160700/https://www.freespeechtube.org/zip/FreeSpeechTube_logo.zip Downloaded from the Wayback Machine before they blocked the site.

== Summary ==
Original URL was: https://web.archive.org/web/20210207160700/https://www.freespeechtube.org/zip/FreeSpeechTube_logo.zip
Downloaded from the Wayback Machine before they blocked the site.

California

2026-04-03T15:56:10Z

JJ1: Added some categories, NOTOC tag to bottom.

'''California''' is a state located at the western coast of the United States. It is known for being one of the regions with the strictest [[age of consent]] laws in the world.

The age of consent in California is 18 years with no exception for close-in-age sexual partners.<ref>[https://www.age-of-consent.info/california What is the California Legal Age of Consent in 2026?] - "The close-in-age rule in California (3 years) do not provide an exception nor provide any defense; it merely lowers the crime to a misdemeanor."</ref>

== Legal mine field ==
Culturally, any attraction to a person below the social construct "age of majority" is strongly frowned upon, even if that person is physically mature and able to reproduce and looks physically indistinguishable from a slightly older legal adult, given that they are socially infantilized with the label of "minor" that is applied equally to both toddlers and mature teenagers.

Even romantic relationships without intercourse between adults and teenagers are strongly discouraged in the United States.<ref>[https://archive.today/2025.08.28-095740/https://answers.justia.com/question/2019/05/29/can-a-minor-date-an-adult-without-any-se-693922 Can a minor date an adult without any sexual relationship and still be legal? - Nebraska Criminal Law Questions & Answers - Justia Ask A Lawyer]</ref> As usual in the United States, violators of sexuality-related laws are often publicly pillorized on a sex offender registry, no matter how minimal the violation was, for example intercourse with a person one day away from becoming a legal adult.

This makes it a legal mine field for young adults to date and sleep with people at a similar age. There is a risk that one of the partners lies about their age, so people sometimes ask each other for government identification, which can become an unromantic formality.<ref>[https://archive.today/2025.07.01-011740/https://www.reddit.com/r/NoStupidQuestions/comments/8ol8d8/should_you_ask_to_see_a_girls_id_before_sleeping/ Should you ask to see a girls ID before sleeping with her? : NoStupidQuestions] - Reddit</ref>

== International impact ==
Californian culture reaches out internationally, given that all large social media platforms (YouTube, Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, Reddit) and also some other widely used knowledge services including Google, Wikipedia, and OpenAI are headquartered there.

California was also the first state to pass operating system age verification into law, allowing any online service to query the age provided by the user. Here, "child protection" is used as a political trojan horse to get people to accept mass surveillance.<ref>[https://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2026/03/msg00000.html On the unfortunate need for an "age verification" API for legal compliance reasons in some U.S. states - lists.debian.org]</ref><ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adCMNAVBGSQ OS Age Verification: Millions Of Evil People With GPS In Your Kid's Pocket, Required By Law!] - Jody Bruchon</ref>

== References ==
<references />

== External links ==
* [https://incels.is/threads/why-mainstream-social-media-is-agecucked.779054/ Why mainstream social media is agecucked. | Incels.is - Involuntary Celibate Forum]

[[Category:Countries and Cultures]]
[[Category:Anti-Pedophile culture]]
[[Category:Law/Crime: American]]
__NOTOC__

California

2026-04-02T22:22:02Z

JJ1: +source, sections

'''California''' is a state located at the western coast of the United States. It is known for being one of the regions with the strictest [[age of consent]] laws in the world.

The age of consent in California is 18 years with no exception for close-in-age sexual partners.<ref>[https://www.age-of-consent.info/california What is the California Legal Age of Consent in 2026?] - "The close-in-age rule in California (3 years) do not provide an exception nor provide any defense; it merely lowers the crime to a misdemeanor."</ref>

== Legal mine field ==
Culturally, any attraction to a person below the social construct "age of majority" is strongly frowned upon, even if that person is physically mature and able to reproduce and looks physically indistinguishable from a slightly older legal adult, given that they are socially infantilized with the label of "minor" that is applied equally to both toddlers and mature teenagers.

Even romantic relationships without intercourse between adults and teenagers are strongly discouraged in the United States.<ref>[https://archive.today/2025.08.28-095740/https://answers.justia.com/question/2019/05/29/can-a-minor-date-an-adult-without-any-se-693922 Can a minor date an adult without any sexual relationship and still be legal? - Nebraska Criminal Law Questions & Answers - Justia Ask A Lawyer]</ref> As usual in the United States, violators of sexuality-related laws are publicly pillorized on a sex offender registry, no matter how minimal the violation was, for example intercourse with a person one day away from becoming a legal adult.

This makes it a legal mine field for young adults to date and sleep with people at a similar age. There is a risk that one of the partners lies about their age, so people sometimes ask each other for government identification, which can become an unromantic formality.<ref>[https://archive.today/2025.07.01-011740/https://www.reddit.com/r/NoStupidQuestions/comments/8ol8d8/should_you_ask_to_see_a_girls_id_before_sleeping/ Should you ask to see a girls ID before sleeping with her? : NoStupidQuestions] - Reddit</ref>

== International impact ==
Californian culture reaches out internationally, given that all large social media platforms (YouTube, Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, Reddit) and also some other widely used knowledge services including Google, Wikipedia, and OpenAI are headquartered there.

California was also the first state to pass operating system age verification into law, allowing any online service to query the age provided by the user. Here, "child protection" is used as a political trojan horse to get people to accept mass surveillance.<ref>[https://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2026/03/msg00000.html On the unfortunate need for an "age verification" API for legal compliance reasons in some U.S. states - lists.debian.org]</ref><ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adCMNAVBGSQ OS Age Verification: Millions Of Evil People With GPS In Your Kid's Pocket, Required By Law!] - Jody Bruchon</ref>

== References ==
<references />

== External links ==
* [https://incels.is/threads/why-mainstream-social-media-is-agecucked.779054/ Why mainstream social media is agecucked. | Incels.is - Involuntary Celibate Forum]

California

2026-04-02T22:14:42Z

JJ1: legal mine field

'''California''' is a state located at the western coast of the United States. It is known for being one of the regions with the strictest [[age of consent]] laws in the world.

The age of consent in California is 18 years with no exception for close-in-age sexual partners.<ref>[https://www.age-of-consent.info/california What is the California Legal Age of Consent in 2026?] - "The close-in-age rule in California (3 years) do not provide an exception nor provide any defense; it merely lowers the crime to a misdemeanor."</ref>

Culturally, any attraction to a person below the social construct "age of majority" is strongly frowned upon, even if that person is physically mature and able to reproduce and looks physically indistinguishable from a slightly older legal adult, given that they are socially infantilized with the label of "minor" that is applied equally to both toddlers and mature teenagers.

Even romantic relationships without intercourse between adults and teenagers are strongly discouraged. As usual in the United States, violators of sexuality-related laws are publicly pillorized on a sex offender registry, no matter how minimal the violation was, for example intercourse with a person one day away from becoming a legal adult.

This makes it a legal mine field for young adults to date and sleep with people at a similar age. There is a risk that one of the partners lies about their age, so people sometimes ask each other for government identification, which can become an unromantic formality.<ref>[https://archive.today/2025.07.01-011740/https://www.reddit.com/r/NoStupidQuestions/comments/8ol8d8/should_you_ask_to_see_a_girls_id_before_sleeping/ Should you ask to see a girls ID before sleeping with her? : NoStupidQuestions] - Reddit</ref>

Californian culture reaches out internationally, given that all large social media platforms (YouTube, Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, Reddit) and also some other widely used knowledge services including Google, Wikipedia, and OpenAI are headquartered there.

California was also the first state to pass operating system age verification into law, allowing any online service to query the age provided by the user. Here, "child protection" is used as a political trojan horse to get people to accept mass surveillance.<ref>[https://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2026/03/msg00000.html On the unfortunate need for an "age verification" API for legal compliance reasons in some U.S. states - lists.debian.org]</ref><ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adCMNAVBGSQ OS Age Verification: Millions Of Evil People With GPS In Your Kid's Pocket, Required By Law!] - Jody Bruchon</ref>

== References ==
<references />

== External links ==
* [https://incels.is/threads/why-mainstream-social-media-is-agecucked.779054/ Why mainstream social media is agecucked. | Incels.is - Involuntary Celibate Forum]

California

2026-04-02T22:05:58Z

JJ1: elaborated on OS age verification

California

2026-04-02T22:02:15Z

JJ1: People are attracted to bodies, not numbers.

California

2026-04-02T21:58:52Z

JJ1: Actually, Jody has changed the video title.

Testimony: Adult Male with Minor Female

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This page, we have made some effort to organize chronologically. It therefore compliments in a far more natural way, the existing research projects on [[Research: Intergenerational Relationships in History|historical]] and [[Research: Nonwestern Intergenerational Relationships|nonwestern]] societies, both of which, along with some of our testimony project, will eventually be compiled into a social and historical compendium of adult-minor sexual contacts.

==1770s==
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marie-Anne_Pierrette_Paulze Madame Lavoisier]: At the age of thirteen Marie-Anne received a marriage proposal from the Count d’Amerval, who was nearly three times her age. Jacques Paulze tried to object to the union, but received threats about losing his job with the Ferme Générale. To indirectly thwart the marriage, Jacque Paulze made an offer to one of his colleagues to ask for his daughter’s hand instead. This colleague was Antoine Lavoisier, a French nobleman and scientist. Lavoisier accepted the proposition, and he and Marie-Anne were married on 16 December 1771. Lavoisier was about 28.

==1830s==
*'''Edgar Allen Poe, and his 13-year-old wife, Virginia'''
*:Returning to Baltimore, Poe secretly married Virginia, his cousin, on September 22, 1835. She was 13 at the time, though she is listed on the marriage certificate as being 21. Reinstated by White after promising good behaviour, Poe went back to Richmond with Virginia and her mother. He remained at the ''Messenger'' until January 1837. During this period, Poe claimed that its circulation increased from 700 to 3,500. He published several poems, book reviews, critiques, and stories in the paper. On May 16, 1836, he had a second wedding ceremony in Richmond with Virginia Clemm, this time in public. One evening in January 1842, Virginia showed the first signs of consumption, now known as [[tuberculosis]], while singing and playing the piano. Poe described it as breaking a blood vessel in her throat. She only partially recovered. References: (Meyers, 1992, ''Edgar Allan Poe: His Life and Legacy''. Silverman, 1991, ''Edgar A. Poe: Mournful and Never-Ending Remembrance''. Hervey, 1927, ''The Works of Edgar Allan Poe'').

==1850s==
Charles Lutwidge Dodgson and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_Carroll#Alice Alice Lidell]

==1950s==
*While in Friedberg, Elvis Presley met 14-year-old Priscilla Beaulieu. They would eventually marry after a seven-and-a-half-year courtship

==1970s==
*'''[http://www.ipce.info/booksreborn/martinson/infant/InfantAndChildSexuality.html Floyd Martinson in his book "Infant and Child Sexuality"] 1973'''
*:Martinson quotes another's experience: "There was only one bed in our hotel room, a double one which I shared with my father that night. As it turned out, my father came back very late that night, after drinking quite heavily. I had never seen him drunk before. He got ready for bed and warned me before he got in that he was used to sleeping with mother and that he hoped he would not bother me. He started to make love to me, not knowing what he was doing. I did, however, but liked the sensation and I let it continue for awhile--it seemed like hours, but it was only a matter of minutes. One way that it affected me was to cause me to wish again to have the same sensations I had that night which led me to masturbation."

==1980s==
*'''Two accounts from the research of [[Frits Bernard]], as quoted in ''[[Paedophilia: The Radical Case]]''[http://www.ipce.info/host/radicase/chap04.htm] '''1980'''
**"Perhaps you cannot imagine this but when I was 12 I was very much in love with a man of 50 and he with me. I don't know who made the first move but we stroked each other and experienced sexuality together. It relaxed me wonderfully. One day my parents found out and the police were called in. The examination was terrible; I denied it and denied it again. Then I gave in. My older friend was arrested. My parents, after my forced confession, made out a formal complaint. Nothing could be of help any more. I have never been able to forget this. It wasn't just. It could have been such a beautiful memory. I am married and have four children. I would not object to their having sexual contacts with adults. I regard it as positive." (This account was presented at the [[International Conference on Love and Attraction]], and is reprinted in ''Love and attraction: an international conference'', p. 501.)
**"I had an experience with an adult man when I was hardly twelve years old but the circumstances were not such that I look back on them with horror. On the contrary, I have very fine memories of the first, though rather bizarre, acquaintance with sex, and what happened eight years ago has had no bad consequences. I have no trauma about it and have become neither oversexed nor frigid. All that happened was that I learned, at a very early age, how a man and girl can satisfy each other, and obtained practical sexual instruction by means of which I did not have to learn from a book what a naked man looks like, how he gets an erection, ejaculation, masturbation, and so on. In the circumstances that surrounded my case there was no question of rape. He was a darling, and as we say, "opportunity made the thief" and I instinctively made use of my art of seduction (although, naturally, I did not understand this until afterwards) which is decidedly a challenging attitude demonstrated by us women at an early age, especially when at that age, you spot that a man looks at you as though you were no longer a child. [...] I look back on it now as an odd but fine first experience; in fact I liked it so much that, when I went home, I asked if I could come and "play Eva" (as he called it) again. [...] It certainly has done me no harm."

*'''Sexologist [[Joan A. Nelson]] in ''Children and Sex'', on her relationship at 8 years of age, December, 1981'''
*:Nelson's relationship marked "the happiest period of [her] life." "When I was a child I experienced an ongoing incestuous relationship that seemed to me to be caring and beneficial in nature. There were love and healthy self-actualization in what I perceived to be a safe environment. Suddenly one day I discerned from playground talk at school that what I was doing might be "bad". Fearing that I might, indeed, be a "bad" person, I went to my mother for reassurance. The ensuing traumatic incidents of that day inaugurated a 30-year period of psychological and emotional dysfunction that reduced family communication to mere utilitarian process and established severe limits on my subsequent developmental journey."
*:Full citation: Nelson, J. A. (1982). [https://gwern.net/doc/psychiatry/1981-nelson.pdf "The impact of incest: Factors in self-evaluation,"] in L. L. Constantine & F. M. Martinson (Eds.), ''[https://annas-archive.org/md5/a9a11dea785281b872ffe39d85d0a002 Children and Sex]]: New Findings, New Perspectives''. Boston: Little, Brown & Co. Quoted in [[PAN]] 11, p. 31, and [http://www.asa3.org/ASA/PSCF/1981/JASA12-81McCauley.html here] and [http://www.simona.com/bimbi/bimbi7.html here]

*'''[http://www.newgon.net/prd/lib/Inciardi1984.html Little Girls and Sex: A Glimpse at the World of the "Baby Pro"] by J.A. Inciardi February 21, 1985'''
*:Reports testimony of pre-pubescent sex workers in the United States:
**11 year-old Julie: "A hand job takes less than two minutes. The old fart is usually already hard when I go in there, and it isn't long before they shoot their load. Twenty bucks for a two-minute "local" [masturbating a male client] isn't a bad deal."
**10 year-old Laura: "Giving head isn't the most fun thing I ever did, but it was never scary either. Someone was always there to see that nothing went wrong and so that nobody would hurt me, and then I'd get some nice presents or get taken out somewhere so it was worth it. Now I'm used to it and the spending money is real nice."
**8 year-old Chris: "Her primary activity has been oral sex, which she says she enjoys."

*'''[http://www.ipce.info/booksreborn/brong_1.pdf Loving Boys, Volume One] 1986'''
**"In the archives of the Brongersma Foundation there is one tape recording made by a man during intimate play between himself and a twelve-year-old, and a second, recorded later, with an eight-year-old girl-friend. It is evident that the children enjoy this play very much; one can hear how they insist on more advanced sexual activities and implore the man to insert his penis, which he refuses to do." (p. 58)
**"A fourteen-year-old French girl wrote in her diary in 1978, after having slept with a 47-year-old man, 'This was the most marvellous day of my life, the most beautiful Christmas gift. Everything I did was deliberate, and everything that happened was at my initiative.' Unfortunately the girl's parents, after reading these pages, succeeded in having the man who gave their daughter this wonderful experience sent to prison. The feelings of the child were of no importance." (p. 58)

==1990s==

*'''R. Andrew Nilsen. (1992). Intergenerational Intimacy, in Empathy, Volume 3, Number 1, pp. 95-97.'''
*: "A girl of 10 with a man of 39 said: "I love seeing his body, he's so powerful and I enjoy kissing him all over." (p. 95).<ref>[[:File:Intergenerational Intimacy by Andrew Nilsen.pdf|Nilsen: Intergenerational Intimacy (internal link)]]</ref>

* '''[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blanche_d%27Alpuget Blanche D'Alpuget], (January 1993). The Taboo of Child Sexuality, in ''Australian Magazine'', 30-31, p. 14.''' Feminist author [[Beatrice_Faust|Beatrice Faust]] (1995, p. 82) describes D'Alpuget's experience, the writer and wife to longest-serving Australian Labor Prime Minister Bob Hawke, as follows:
*:"Blanche D'Alpuget, one of the very few women to discuss her experience without adopting a victim posture, says that it was both good and bad. [...] D'Alpuget's relationship began when she was 12 and the man was 54; since he was a friend of the family, she was not in his power; the non-violent relationship was limited to kissing and masturbation. Apart from the age differential, the relationship lacked most of the features associated with intense suffering in girl[s]".

*'''Leahy, Terry (1994). "Taking up a Position: Discourses of Femininity and Adolescence in the Context of Man/Girl Relationships," ''Gender & Society'', 8(1), 48-72.
*:"This article is based on a small-scale interview study (N = 19) of the experiences of girls who were or had been in sexual relationships with adults. It is confined to relationships that were considered by the young parties to have been voluntary and, in general, positive. [...] The interviewees wanted to make their positive experiences of such relationships public in view of the widespread opinion that all such events are harmful to the younger parties involved. The interviews were taped and transcribed. [...]
*:Wendy met Paul when she was 12 years old. He was in his mid-20s. [...]
*:From her account there is little doubt that Paul was in love with Wendy and showed this affection by his emotional support and understanding of her emotional needs at the time. A statement that stands as a summary of their relationship is the following:
*::He was just really ... he was much more sensitive than most people I've known. He's much more concerned. He just had ... the cup runneth over with love and affection. He was really attentive all the time and that sort of attention I've not had from, really from anybody. Just the depth of sensitivity and asking me how I felt about things all the time. [...]
*:Wendy's account fits this theme; she claims that Paul and his friends encouraged her to see herself as capable of undertaking university study and that this had a major impact on her life. [...]
*:Wendy and Paul's sexual relationship did not include penetration but was confined to tongue kissing and petting. [...] In her account, Wendy describes Paul's behavior in these terms:
*::I mean he did want to. He wanted to be sexual, he wanted to be physically close and I felt that. I remember rubbing against him when he had a hard on and things like that but most of the time it felt like he just wanted to be really close and warm. ... We used to cuddle a lot and kiss and things. It got vaguely sexual for a while. Tongue kissing ... a great wet beard. He was really really really gentle. More gentle than I think anyone else I've ever known as far as that goes. He was obviously being really careful. [...]
*:At one point she comments on the feeling of protection she felt when Paul carried her in his arms. [...]
*:Whereas conservative romantic texts require that the male leads and the female follows, Wendy suggests that she prized and insisted on an equality of authority in relationship. She did not hesitate to oppose Paul.
*:[...]
*:Bobbie, the last interviewee in this set of narratives, was introduced to her uncle when she was 11. [...] Bobbie has no doubts about her uncle's genuine fondness for her, and indicates a concern for her on his part which is consonant with the model of romance offered by conservative romantic texts:
*::It was so caring and considerate, I s'pose, which most adult sexual relations aren't because there's more of an equal, supposedly there's more of an equal power base so you don't ... I've never found that sort of catering for again but I treasure having been, not nurtured, but having been cared for that much and eased into it slowly and all those sorts of things. [...]
*::The experiences I had with an uncle whom I liked a lot and with whom I had a very important intellectual relationship were really important in terms of the development of my sexuality, like in terms of educating me basically."

*'''[http://www.ipce.info/host/rivas/girls_men/hilde_dillen.htm Hilde Dillen], a Belgian writer'' May-June 1997'''
*:In Zizo, a magazine for gay and bisexual men and women, Mark Sargeant published an article entitled ‘Ik rouw van jou - Jeugdschrijfster Hilde Dillen’. A few quotes from Hilde Dillen: 'At first I had intended to write about a very beautiful love relationship I used to have with a man who was 17 years older when I was a child of 13-14. But I think one should not be too revealing about such things, because it won't do you any good and it won't do your book any good either.' 'There's a lot of personal stuff in this work, based on my own life as a child and as a developing adult. Because of the relationship I experienced some situations in which I was dissected and rejected, at school, in your immediate environment... I think it is good for parents to realise that 12- to 13-year-old teenagers - who are supposed to be neither children nor adults - can sometimes be very intensively involved in erotic relations.'

*'''[http://www.newgon.net/CPP/WhyGuilty.htm Why Should I Feel Guilty If I Liked It?] by Rachel in All About Sex, 1998.'''
*:A woman in her twenties tells of a sexual relationship she had with an adult male neighbor from the age of six for at least six years. She writes, “Why should I feel guilty about the wonderful relationship I had with that man … right up until his death?”

*'''[https://www.perthnow.com.au/entertainment/celebrity/lily-allens-dad-called-cops-on-her-after-she-lost-her-virginity-aged-12-c-11613847 Lily Allen]''' (with males of uncertain but probably much greater age)
*:"She told comedian Alan Carr, 47, on his Life’s a Beach podcast about how her father thought she had gone missing when she was really having sex with a boy she was having a secret summer fling with: “I actually went missing. I lost my virginity to a guy called Fernando in Brazil. When I was about 12, no I am (not) joking”. [...] Allen added she “slept in the next day”, and said: “I woke up and there was police all over the hotel. They were literally combing the beach and had T-shirts (asking), ‘Is this what she was wearing?’ I didn’t have the heart to say, ‘No, I was just losing my virginity’”. [...] Allen said in 2018 she had sex with her dad’s friend when she was 14."

==2000-2005==
*'''[https://fstube.net/w/dLVC3k8EJbZwPkpLUNe1sL Video: Why I Remained Loyal To My 23yo Boyfriend When I Was 13]'''
*:Editor: In this video, a woman shares her positive testimony of resisting social norms while an adolescent herself.

*'''[https://web.archive.org/web/20090930044204/http://www.scarletletters.com/current/2001_rage.shtml Rage of Consent] by Heather Corinna in Soapbox Girls, July 2001.'''
**Sex activist Heather Corinna talks about the adult lovers she had when she was a teenager, including a 23-year-old man when she was 15. "...this was also by far the most wonderful and intimate relationship of my teen years. He was more respectful of my sexual boundaries than all of my same-age peers. He held me in higher esteem, and treated me with more respect, care and love than others my age. That may be because he was older, that may be because he was who he was — there really is no telling."
**A 16-year-old girl talks about her adult lovers. "When I have been with adults, I’ve always felt much more comfortable. … I felt less inhibited when I was with a man in his twenties.”
**A young woman talks about her year-long relationship with 25-year-old man when she was 16. “I look back at it with fondness. I still understand very well why I fell in love and lust with him."
**A grown woman talks about the adult lovers from her teenage years, including a 35-year-old man when she was 17. "They helped to expand my intellectual horizons, teach me more advanced social interactions and give me a different perspective on things from the point of view of a different generation."

*'''[http://web.archive.org/web/20050325114700/http://logicalreality.com/openbb/read.php?TID=424&page=1 Hannah] June 20, 2003'''
*:Prepubescent sex play becomes full intercourse with an adult. "[I]t was June, about a week after my seventh birthday [...] I'd been wandering around the different paths, maybe a little too far out into the fields, imagining I was exploring somewhere, when I suddenly came across a man lying down in the grass. At first I thought he must be hurt or something, but at the same time couldn't have not noticed he had his erect cock out. [...] I was really pleased with myself for having 'found' him, and when he asked If I'd like to meet again the next day to learn more I was over the moon. Well that meeting happened, and many more followed. His name was David and he was always very gentle and kind to me, and in the course of the next few weeks I was happily trying out all kinds of sex with him. [...] There are also very many women that I've talked to where they weren't discovered, and almost universally they have good feelings (or at the very worst, ambivalence) about the experience. There was a girl who joined my junior school when I was ten who had been in a relationship with a neighbour since she was 8 and at the time told me it was the most special and wonderful thing in her life. I hope no-one has found out and persuaded her otherwise since. There were two girls when I was about twelve that became great friends when we discovered we all had lovers who were in their thirties. One had been having sex as long as she could remember, the other for only about 3 months, but none of us were ever discovered and we all went on to be popular, go university, got decent jobs, and two of us have families, without any apparent psychological or physical trauma from the experience."

*'''[http://www.newgon.net/CPP/HFP-103.htm Once against — now supporting by "C".] in HFP Mailbag, April 2005.'''
*:An 18-year-old writes about being raped as a child, as well as her consensual relationship with a 19-year-old when she was twelve: "I was in complete agreement with all that went on in that relationship, and I was not at all manipulated."

*'''[http://www.newgon.net/CPP/HFP-c001.htm When Fairy Lost her Virginity] by "Fairy" in HFP Testimonies, November 2005.'''
*:The sex this 18-year-old had with a college freshman when she was twelve was not a positive experience, but she says it could have been and should have been, had she been taught better. "Someone should have told me, my family should have not ignored the possibility of me having sex. I realized that they did not care enough to ever prepare me for … the most important aspect of life."

==2006+==
*'''Award winning poet [[Delphine Lecompte]] (2021)'''.
::On May 6th, 2021, the Dutch Newspaper "Propria Cures," latin for "Mind Your Own Business," published an issue in their newspaper on free speech, specifically in relation to [[pedophilia]].<ref>[https://brongersma.info/PROPRIA_CURES_-_6_May_2021 Propria Cures English Translation (available for PDF viewing or download)], ''Brongersma.info''.</ref> Lecompte's contribution was number 8, titled "The gardener and the five-year-old child," which appears to be an account of Lecompte's [[Research:_Prevalence_of_Harm_and_Negative_Outcomes|own positively experienced sexual feelings and age-gap sex in childhood]]. Among other things, she wrote (retaining her original formatting):

<blockquote>
''As a five-year-old child, I was courted by my grandparents' sturdy weathered half-Bretan gardener. But actually I seduced him.'' [...]

''I stroked the gardener's stiff apron and asked him to show me around his world.''

''The gardener chased me away grimly. He didn't like children.'' [...]

''I knew I couldn't seduce the gardener with words, but maybe the swing would do the trick.''

''If I rocked very high he could see my panties, but he never looked at me, the rocking child. Let alone the panties. His back was always proudly and stubbornly turned to the swing.''

''Nevertheless, every Friday I wore my tightest cutest panties in the hope that the gardener would ever glance at them. After six months, I gave up.''

''I needed to be bolder. I devised a plan: on Thursday night, I would sneak down to my grandparents' basement to disguise a bottle of gin and a goblet of apricots in syrup, and I would then gobble up this rich, irresistible feast with the gardener the next day.'' [...]

''At first I watched the gardener like a horny sneaky voyeur: I gaped unabashedly at the sagging pants and at the sweaty slit leading to the anus.'' [...]

''The gardener turned around and caught me. But he was not annoyed, rather amused.''

''He called me to him, patted my crown and told me I could tip out the wheelbarrow full of weeds in that corner over there.''

''But the wheelbarrow was too heavy and the gardener came up behind me and put his hands on my hands and pressed his blissfully hard midsection against my back, and I thought I was going to cum.'' [...]

''The next Friday was the day: without swing, without gin, and without apricots I went to my goal.''

''I said to the gardener, "Caress me in the bushes, I need it. I've been waiting so long."''

''The gardener seemed moved, and he obeyed, thank God.''

''He tenderly laid me on a tarp between two conifers. He carefully removed my clothes and groped my small limbs with his dirty warm fingers. It was delicious! He built it up heavenly slowly and I almost didn't last, but finally he reached my vagina.'' [...]

''We experienced two years of fun, nay ecstasy. I spoiled him too, his penis in my mouth. Tricky it was not, on the contrary.''

''Even the penetration was much less painful than expected.'' [...]

''We were never caught, never booed, never stoned.''

''But one day his sister died and the gardener was able to get a better job: detective in Newport.''

''In my poems I regularly introduce the gardener as a character. I then invariably call him "the pedophile gardener," but that's not right. We were a couple, a vulgar blind foolish happy in love innocent couple.''

''It was beautiful and it was not perverse. Or if there was perversion involved it came from me.''<ref>For more detail not captured in this excerpt, please read the full story as printed in ''Propria Cures''.</ref>
</blockquote>

*'''[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wFp8vh2pQ0 kimxxxyyy at 12 with her adult male partner] February 7, 2008''' (YouTube, deleted from platform as of 2026). She was an adult at the time of recording the video. (This video, originally titled "Re: My actual viewpoints on pedophilia" and 5:50 long, was deleted from YouTube at some point after 2018 and is now lost media. Please re-upload it and add the link here if you have saved it, for archival purposes. [[Talk:Testimony:_Adult_Male_with_Minor_Female#Deleted_video_by_kimxxxyyy|More details]].)
*:"I never once thought anything wrong or bad, or that I was doing anything wrong or bad [...] We had a normal relationship...I saw nothing wrong with it, and I still see nothing wrong with it".
*'''[https://fstube.net/w/c2kvyEyUXSe5DwRn33vgUS kimxxxyyy at a later point].

*'''[http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/westcoastnews/story.html?id=a43431bd-1bba-48b5-b530-ae50e39b7cd4 Girl (15) and Leo Poncelet] February 26, 2008'''
*:"Society might find it distasteful -- even morally reprehensible -- but a 40-year-old cowboy's sexual relationship with a 15-year-old girl was not criminal, a B.C. Supreme Court judge has ruled. In written reasons released earlier this month, Justice Daphne Smith acquitted Leo Poncelet of sexual exploitation charges, saying the man did not hold a position of authority or trust over the teen, even though he was her riding coach the summer the two became romantically and sexually involved. Smith said the emotional attachment between the two was mutual and the sex consensual, the result of a bond that formed between the two over the course of months."

*'''[http://www.thecourierexpress.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=20018936&brd=2758&pag&nr=1&nostat=1 Girls ?? & 14 with accused adult male] August 15, 2008'''
*:"One of the victims, a 14-year-old girl, told police that she, Lyle and a friend were in a bedroom at the residence. Lyle told the friend that if he had sex with him, he would give her a pack of cigarettes. The girl said she would only do it if the 14 year-old would too. The victim said she had sex with Lyle first and then her friend did. She said it was consensual and they were drinking that night. The victim also said she didn't want to pursue criminal charges. The second victim told police the same story but added that she was drunk that night and felt hung over the next day."

*'''[https://web.archive.org/web/20040603193432/http://www.freep.com/news/locoak/diary23_20040323.htm Oakland youth in sex diary case found dead] March 23, 2004'''
*:"In May 2002, at age 18, Fawcett was one of four young men charged with statutory rape for having sex with a 14-year-old Andover High School student. The girl's diary later revealed she had been sneaking out of her parents' Bloomfield Township home in the middle of the night to have oral and anal sex with 22 boys and men. In a May 2002 interview with the Free Press, the girl conceded that she was a predator and a victim: "I declare I am both. Yes, I'm a victim. I was a victim who was deceived by my own emotions and ignorance, of misplaced confidence, a victim of my own fantasies . . . Yes, predator for I chase people who themselves were victims of misplaced confidence.""

*'''[https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1347173/Obsessed-polo-player-45-jailed-illicit-affair-schoolgirl-horse-rider.html Obsessed polo player, 45, caught having illicit affair with schoolgirl horse rider, 15] 14 Jan, 2011, and [https://www.northwichguardian.co.uk/news/8778594.trial-day-four-businessman-accused-of-sex-acts-with-girl-15/ Trial day four: Businessman accused of sex acts with girl, 15] 8 Jan, 2011'''
*:“We were kissing, touching and hugging each other. Then he took my jeans off and I was just touching him and kissing. I was OK with that and I didn't tell him to stop or anything. I trusted him, I thought I loved him. We kept it a secret from everyone.” (<1st article | 2nd article>) "Mr Bold added that when the victim was being taken to the police station she was screaming and shouting saying she didn’t want to go. Later on in proceedings the alleged victim’s mother confirmed this."

*'''[https://fstube.net/w/e4QHVgNdFUxjTyNP5V9Tmz Excerpt from the documentary "Are All Men Pedophiles", where a woman reports her positive relationship at the age of 13 with her 18-year-old boyfriend Willem and the frictions caused by her father's intolerance.] 2 March, 2012'''
*:“He was sweet, cool, a little bit macho. My whole family approved of this relationship, except my father. One day, we were kissing in my room, and my dad found out. He began to shout "Get out of my ouse, and never come back! [...] Despite everything, I loved him, and I don't think what we did was wrong, or pedophilia. He is, and will always be, my first love."

*'''[https://fstube.net/w/hLwyic387rQwvFxXpHWvrr Lola Benvenutti (11) with adult man (30)] May 23, 2014'''
*:The ex-prostitute from the age of 17 to the age of 22, model, sex ed instructor, writer and feminist activist Lola Benvenutti says how, when she was 11, she pretended to be 16-17 years old to have sex with a 30 year old man:
*::'''Interviewer''': "You said rape, but it wasn’t rape?"
*::'''Lola''': "Of course not, I wanted to, I even think I wanted more than him. Actually, I forced him. I was eager to have an experience, and I liked that guy. For me, it was super cool, I discovered myself as a woman. So it was nothing traumatic, quite the opposite."

*'''[https://fstube.net/w/vPtYsz7bu6XWwToNCkaHC5 Excerpt from RTV Channel 38] January 19, 2016'''
*:Testimony of a 13-year-old girl for RTV Channel 38 defending her boyfriend after he was accused of rape of the vulnerable because of the consensual relationship between the two. The fact happened in Apucarana, PR, Brazil.

*'''[https://fstube.net/w/vPtYsz7bu6XWwToNCkaHC5 Excerpt from Juruá Online channel] June 20, 2013'''
*:Excerpt from the report of the Juruá Online channel shows a 13-year-old girl dissatisfied for being forced by the Justice to separate from her boyfriend with whom she had been in a relationship for seven months.

==Assorted Iatrogeny and secondary harm==

Iatrogenic harm (caused by medicine, e.g. therapy) is a frequent theme in male-female relationships, regardless of age. This helps demonstrate some of the misogynistic underpinnings of social reactions to girls sexual debut.

Many other cases document the secondary harms of legal and "moral" intervention by outsiders.

*'''[https://www.huffpost.com/entry/80s-rock-stars-teenager-sexual-assault_n_6409fd57e4b039f62db5ff38 I Was 15 When I Started Partying With Rock Stars. I Told No One What They Did To Me — Until Now] (2023)'''
*:"In the early years after the assaults by those famous men, I had little insight into how they had affected me. I didn’t even recognize I had been assaulted until I landed in that therapist’s office."

*'''[https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/02/german-court-rules-parents-of-15-year-old-girl-cannot-stop-her-h/ German court rules parents of 15-year-old girl cannot stop her having sexual relationship with uncle, 47]'''
*:"When the couple were discovered in the south of France, Josephine told police she had run away voluntarily and was in love with the older man, who was her uncle by marriage. In common with several other European countries, the age of sexual consent in Germany is 14. Josephine’s parents sought a court order to prevent her being in contact with her uncle, on the grounds that the relationship was endangering her welfare. [...] The court case was the culmination of months of strife between the girl and her parents. When they forbade her from seeing her uncle on her return from France, she left home, stopped attending school and tried to stay in a government shelter. Her parents later had her admitted to a psychiatric hospital for five months. She refused to tell her parents the whereabouts of her uncle. The 47-year-old has children of his own, and has also been a foster parent."

*'''[https://people.com/tv/paris-hilton-says-she-dated-her-8th-grade-teacher/ Paris Hilton]''' - ''People'' interview re teacher relationship aged 13/14, in ''Paris: The Memoir''.
*:"all the girls in my class were crushing on this handsome young teacher" [who had a] "very Abercrombie" [look] "Everyone loved him, including the nuns" / "I've got a crush on you." [he said] / "He made me feel noticed in an important, grown-up way" / "He flattered and teased me and said that all the other girls were talking about me behind my back because they were jealous." / "and we talked for hours about how amazingly mature, beautiful, and intelligent I was, how sensual, misunderstood, and special" / "I climbed into the passenger seat. Teacher pulled me into his arms and kissed me" [her parents then came home and saw Hilton and her teacher in the driveway] / "Somehow, people [at school] seemed to know." / "I don't know if there were any repercussions to the teacher or if there was any attempt to prevent him from choosing another little girl," / "My parents never volunteered any information, and I never asked, but I assume the fear of bad publicity would have prevented them from making a scene or pressing charges." / "I never allowed myself to talk or even think about what it really was or why I climbed out the window to kiss that stupid pedophile. It took decades for me to actually speak the word pedophile," / "Casting him in the role of child molester meant casting myself in the role of victim, and I just couldn't go there." / [what hurt her was] "the fact that I had enjoyed something that was, in reality, utterly vile." / "Even now, knowing in my grown-up mind that no child is ever to blame for inappropriate adult behavior, my face is literally burning as I sit here telling you this terrible secret," / "I'm not sure I'll ever be able to fully shake it off. But it's a key part of my story."

*'''[https://www.cosmopolitan.com/uk/reports/a9949676/schoolgirl-flees-to-france-with-teacher-2017-update/ "Gemma Grant"]''' - The anonymous girlfriend of "Paedophile Abductor" Jeremy Forrest tells of her relationship, from age 14, which led to the manhunt.
*:"We first got close on a school trip to LA in February 2012 when I was 14 and in year 10. I would hang back from the group to chat to him, as we appeared to have so much in common – we liked the same bands and would compare our favourite Nirvana lyrics. I thought he was so cool; he had a tattoo of a blue star on his arm and performed at local gigs. On the flight home, I sat between him and a female teacher and clung on to their hands to help my fear of flying – but I didn’t want to let go of Jeremy’s when we landed. [...] And soon enough, it did – just a few days after my 15th birthday in June. As we walked along the seafront, we finally kissed. After that we met more regularly – I’d tell my mum I was at my friend Louise’s* – we even kissed in empty classrooms at school. [...] Everybody at school seemed so narrow-minded, but suddenly I had a man in front of me with his own opinions, someone who I could have a real, intelligent discussion with. He had so much life experience and I loved hearing about it. He would show me messages from his wife where they were arguing, and insisted that they were separated, despite still living together (their flat had two bedrooms). I chose to believe him. It was in his spare room that we had sex for the first time, a little over a month after that first kiss. He didn’t know I was a virgin. Later, when I’d told him the truth, it would sometimes put him off having sex with me. [...] As soon as I stepped through the school gates to begin year 11, the atmosphere had changed. Rumours had begun to circulate after a girl I’d been on a summer work placement with saw me getting into Jeremy’s car. She told her boyfriend, who told another teacher. But I was so in love I didn’t want to stop the whispers. When people asked me, I’d just reply, “We’re close, but so what?” [...] Teachers suspected something, too. A week into term, one even dragged Jeremy out of the canteen when he saw me enter; the general feeling seemed to be that I was putting a decent man’s career at risk. Every day, kids in my year would shout ‘slut’ as I walked down the halls. It hurt. Was that what I was? And was I actually ruining his life? I began to have panic attacks. I’d shut myself in the school toilets, unable to breath, and try to count slowly to 10 to stay calm. Jeremy was feeling the strain, too. We continued to speak and see one another as much as we could, but it felt like the walls were closing in. The worst thing was, there was no one to turn to. After the school trip to LA, I tried broaching the subject with my mum by explaining there were rumours at school that I was too friendly with Jeremy, as people had spotted us looking close on the plane. Her response was a very clear and sharp, “That had better not be true.” I felt her judgement heavy on my shoulders, and knew if I told the truth, I’d be banned from seeing the man who’d become the centre of my world. [...] When Jeremy asked what I wanted to do, I replied, “Run away.” I wanted us to be free. [...] We were oblivious to the media frenzy back home, to the headlines screeching ‘Paedophile teacher abducts innocent school girl.’ [...] Despite our best efforts, just over a week after our arrival in France, on 28th September, as we walked hand-in-hand towards a pub where Jeremy had been invited for a trial shift, a man in regular clothes jumped out and grabbed him. I began screaming – begging passers-by for help, thinking he was being mugged. Then my arms were pushed behind me. I couldn’t breathe and the only word I understood was ‘police’. Jeremy was handcuffed and pushed onto a bench. [...] The first question they asked when I arrived at the French police station was, “Did you have sex?” and then, “Did you willingly go over to France?” I replied “yes” to both. I wanted the lies to be over. [...] I wrapped myself in his cardigan on the plane journey home – it smelled of his Hugo Boss aftershave. The police saw it as a black-and-white case of a man taking advantage of some silly girl. But, to me, Jeremy was my boyfriend and he’d been torn away from me."

*'''[https://web.archive.org/web/20130820120245/http://members.chello.nl/o.van.buuren/The%20Age%20of%20Consent,%20Radio%20Netherlands%201993.mp3 Gonnie (mp3 audio)] date unknown'''
*:Mother of 8y/o girl involved with an adult man. Audio account - please wait for it to load, and fastforward to 22:50. The daughter showed no problems until her older partner ended their relationship for his girlfriend, which emphasized the wrongness (infidelity) of it to her and caused a lot of guilt.

*'''[http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-369937/When-Gary-touched-I-thought-playing.html Tran Thi Truc Diem] November 28, 2005'''
*:A 10 year old Vietnamese girl, on contacts with Paul 'Gary Glitter' Gadd. "I liked Uncle Gary at first," said Diem, "but now that my mother has told me that what he did was very wrong I hate him. I thought he was just playing when he touched me but my mother said he should never have done that." "He started tickling me all around my body. He was doing it for a little while and then Aunt Oanh came in and saw him. "My mother has told me it was very, very bad so now I hate Uncle Gary. I don't want to see him ever again".

*'''[https://www.businessinsider.nl/alanis-morissette-says-she-was-raped-by-multiple-men-in-new-hbo-documentary-jagged/ Alanis Morissette]'''
*:Morissette says in the movie. "It took me years in therapy to even admit there had been any kind of victimization on my part. I would always say I was consenting, and then I'd be reminded like 'Hey, you were 15, you're not consenting at 15.' Now I'm like, 'Oh yeah, they're all pedophiles. It's all statutory rape."

*'''[http://www.just-well.dk/leth.htm Germaine Greer] in "Seduction is a four-letter word"'' 1980-88'''
*:"From the child´s point of view and from the commonsense point of view, there is an enormous difference between intercourse with a willing little girl and the forcible penetration of the small vagina of a terrified child. One woman I know enjoyed sex with an uncle all through her childhood, and never realized that anything was unusual until she went away to school. What disturbed her then was not what her uncle had done but the attitude of her teachers and the school psychiatrist. They assumed that she must have been traumatized and disgusted and therefore in need of very special help. In order to capitulate their expectations, she began to fake symptoms that she did not feel, until at length she began to feel truely guilty about not having been guilty. She ended up judging herself very harshly for this innate lechery."

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==Access?==

Atalay Yorukoglu and John P. Kemph, (1966) Children not severely damaged by incest with a parent, in Journal of the American Academy of Child Psychiatry, 5, pp. 111-124

Describes two cases of incest, one mother-son and one father-daughter, where the younger party did not manifest psychological disturbance. --[[User:The Admins|The Admins]] ([[User talk:The Admins|talk]]) 00:56, 22 September 2021 (CEST)

== Deleted video by kimxxxyyy ==

A video listed in this article, ''[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wFp8vh2pQ0 Re: My actual viewpoints on pedophilia]'' by ''kimxxxyyy'' (channel later retitled to ''transhumanistxxyy''), was deleted from YouTube. There is a chance someone has saved it in the over 10 years it was on YouTube.

If anyone has a backup of it, I suggest uploading it onto [https://fstube.net/ FreeSpeechTube]. Thank you. [[User:JJ1|JJ1]] ([[User talk:JJ1|talk]]) 23:13, 1 April 2026 (UTC)

According to [https://web.archive.org/web/20180726084649/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wFp8vh2pQ0 this archive] (watch page only, unfortunately not the actual video), the original video was 5 minutes and 50 seconds long. [https://fstube.net/w/c2kvyEyUXSe5DwRn33vgUS This reuploaded video on fstube] is 11 minutes long, so it can't be the exact same video. This seems to be a video by kimxxxyyy recorded at a later point.

If anyone has the original video from 2008, or other early videos by her, please upload them and provide a link here.

This seems to be by far not the only video of her deleted from YouTube. A video from December 2007 is "[https://web.archive.org/web/20170723045638/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZxTTirMCgQ age of consent]" (4:11 long), with a description stating "the age of consent is a bad law, it only hurts people today who just happen to be of a grater or lesser age, people should not be judged on there age, people are humans not cans of food with dates". Another one is "[https://web.archive.org/web/20130829122101/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CEGqTtweNM pediphillia my ass]" (8:26 long), also from 2007. Both had over ten thousand views and were on YouTube for over a decade, so there is a slight chance someone has preserved them. These archive links don't contain the actual videos, only the watch pages. [[User:JJ1|JJ1]] ([[User talk:JJ1|talk]]) 20:54, 2 April 2026 (UTC)

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Describes two cases of incest, one mother-son and one father-daughter, where the younger party did not manifest psychological disturbance. --[[User:The Admins|The Admins]] ([[User talk:The Admins|talk]]) 00:56, 22 September 2021 (CEST)

== Deleted video by kimxxxyyy ==

A video listed in this article, ''[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wFp8vh2pQ0 Re: My actual viewpoints on pedophilia]'' by ''kimxxxyyy'' (channel later retitled to ''transhumanistxxyy''), was deleted from YouTube. There is a chance someone has saved it in the over 10 years it was on YouTube.

If anyone has a backup of it, I suggest uploading it onto [https://fstube.net/ FreeSpeechTube]. Thank you. [[User:JJ1|JJ1]] ([[User talk:JJ1|talk]]) 23:13, 1 April 2026 (UTC)

According to [https://web.archive.org/web/20180726084649/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wFp8vh2pQ0 this archive] (watch page only, unfortunately not the actual video), the original video was 5 minutes and 50 seconds long. [https://fstube.net/w/c2kvyEyUXSe5DwRn33vgUS This reuploaded video on fstube] is 11 minutes long, so it can't be the exact same video. This seems to be a video by kimxxxyyy recorded at a later point.

If anyone has the original video from 2008, or other early videos by her, please upload it and provide a link here.

This seems to be by far not the only video of her deleted from YouTube. A video from December 2007 is "[https://web.archive.org/web/20170723045638/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZxTTirMCgQ age of consent]" (4:11 long), with a description stating "the age of consent is a bad law, it only hurts people today who just happen to be of a grater or lesser age, people should not be judged on there age, people are humans not cans of food with dates". Another one is "[https://web.archive.org/web/20130829122101/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CEGqTtweNM pediphillia my ass]" (8:26 long), also from 2007. Both had over ten thousand views and were on YouTube for over a decade, so there is a slight chance someone has preserved them. These archive links don't contain the actual videos, only the watch pages. [[User:JJ1|JJ1]] ([[User talk:JJ1|talk]]) 20:54, 2 April 2026 (UTC)

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This page, we have made some effort to organize chronologically. It therefore compliments in a far more natural way, the existing research projects on [[Research: Intergenerational Relationships in History|historical]] and [[Research: Nonwestern Intergenerational Relationships|nonwestern]] societies, both of which, along with some of our testimony project, will eventually be compiled into a social and historical compendium of adult-minor sexual contacts.

==1770s==
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marie-Anne_Pierrette_Paulze Madame Lavoisier]: At the age of thirteen Marie-Anne received a marriage proposal from the Count d’Amerval, who was nearly three times her age. Jacques Paulze tried to object to the union, but received threats about losing his job with the Ferme Générale. To indirectly thwart the marriage, Jacque Paulze made an offer to one of his colleagues to ask for his daughter’s hand instead. This colleague was Antoine Lavoisier, a French nobleman and scientist. Lavoisier accepted the proposition, and he and Marie-Anne were married on 16 December 1771. Lavoisier was about 28.

==1830s==
*'''Edgar Allen Poe, and his 13-year-old wife, Virginia'''
*:Returning to Baltimore, Poe secretly married Virginia, his cousin, on September 22, 1835. She was 13 at the time, though she is listed on the marriage certificate as being 21. Reinstated by White after promising good behaviour, Poe went back to Richmond with Virginia and her mother. He remained at the ''Messenger'' until January 1837. During this period, Poe claimed that its circulation increased from 700 to 3,500. He published several poems, book reviews, critiques, and stories in the paper. On May 16, 1836, he had a second wedding ceremony in Richmond with Virginia Clemm, this time in public. One evening in January 1842, Virginia showed the first signs of consumption, now known as [[tuberculosis]], while singing and playing the piano. Poe described it as breaking a blood vessel in her throat. She only partially recovered. References: (Meyers, 1992, ''Edgar Allan Poe: His Life and Legacy''. Silverman, 1991, ''Edgar A. Poe: Mournful and Never-Ending Remembrance''. Hervey, 1927, ''The Works of Edgar Allan Poe'').

==1850s==
Charles Lutwidge Dodgson and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_Carroll#Alice Alice Lidell]

==1950s==
*While in Friedberg, Elvis Presley met 14-year-old Priscilla Beaulieu. They would eventually marry after a seven-and-a-half-year courtship

==1970s==
*'''[http://www.ipce.info/booksreborn/martinson/infant/InfantAndChildSexuality.html Floyd Martinson in his book "Infant and Child Sexuality"] 1973'''
*:Martinson quotes another's experience: "There was only one bed in our hotel room, a double one which I shared with my father that night. As it turned out, my father came back very late that night, after drinking quite heavily. I had never seen him drunk before. He got ready for bed and warned me before he got in that he was used to sleeping with mother and that he hoped he would not bother me. He started to make love to me, not knowing what he was doing. I did, however, but liked the sensation and I let it continue for awhile--it seemed like hours, but it was only a matter of minutes. One way that it affected me was to cause me to wish again to have the same sensations I had that night which led me to masturbation."

==1980s==
*'''Two accounts from the research of [[Frits Bernard]], as quoted in ''[[Paedophilia: The Radical Case]]''[http://www.ipce.info/host/radicase/chap04.htm] '''1980'''
**"Perhaps you cannot imagine this but when I was 12 I was very much in love with a man of 50 and he with me. I don't know who made the first move but we stroked each other and experienced sexuality together. It relaxed me wonderfully. One day my parents found out and the police were called in. The examination was terrible; I denied it and denied it again. Then I gave in. My older friend was arrested. My parents, after my forced confession, made out a formal complaint. Nothing could be of help any more. I have never been able to forget this. It wasn't just. It could have been such a beautiful memory. I am married and have four children. I would not object to their having sexual contacts with adults. I regard it as positive." (This account was presented at the [[International Conference on Love and Attraction]], and is reprinted in ''Love and attraction: an international conference'', p. 501.)
**"I had an experience with an adult man when I was hardly twelve years old but the circumstances were not such that I look back on them with horror. On the contrary, I have very fine memories of the first, though rather bizarre, acquaintance with sex, and what happened eight years ago has had no bad consequences. I have no trauma about it and have become neither oversexed nor frigid. All that happened was that I learned, at a very early age, how a man and girl can satisfy each other, and obtained practical sexual instruction by means of which I did not have to learn from a book what a naked man looks like, how he gets an erection, ejaculation, masturbation, and so on. In the circumstances that surrounded my case there was no question of rape. He was a darling, and as we say, "opportunity made the thief" and I instinctively made use of my art of seduction (although, naturally, I did not understand this until afterwards) which is decidedly a challenging attitude demonstrated by us women at an early age, especially when at that age, you spot that a man looks at you as though you were no longer a child. [...] I look back on it now as an odd but fine first experience; in fact I liked it so much that, when I went home, I asked if I could come and "play Eva" (as he called it) again. [...] It certainly has done me no harm."

*'''Sexologist [[Joan A. Nelson]] in ''Children and Sex'', on her relationship at 8 years of age, December, 1981'''
*:Nelson's relationship marked "the happiest period of [her] life." "When I was a child I experienced an ongoing incestuous relationship that seemed to me to be caring and beneficial in nature. There were love and healthy self-actualization in what I perceived to be a safe environment. Suddenly one day I discerned from playground talk at school that what I was doing might be "bad". Fearing that I might, indeed, be a "bad" person, I went to my mother for reassurance. The ensuing traumatic incidents of that day inaugurated a 30-year period of psychological and emotional dysfunction that reduced family communication to mere utilitarian process and established severe limits on my subsequent developmental journey."
*:Full citation: Nelson, J. A. (1982). [https://gwern.net/doc/psychiatry/1981-nelson.pdf "The impact of incest: Factors in self-evaluation,"] in L. L. Constantine & F. M. Martinson (Eds.), ''[https://annas-archive.org/md5/a9a11dea785281b872ffe39d85d0a002 Children and Sex]]: New Findings, New Perspectives''. Boston: Little, Brown & Co. Quoted in [[PAN]] 11, p. 31, and [http://www.asa3.org/ASA/PSCF/1981/JASA12-81McCauley.html here] and [http://www.simona.com/bimbi/bimbi7.html here]

*'''[http://www.newgon.net/prd/lib/Inciardi1984.html Little Girls and Sex: A Glimpse at the World of the "Baby Pro"] by J.A. Inciardi February 21, 1985'''
*:Reports testimony of pre-pubescent sex workers in the United States:
**11 year-old Julie: "A hand job takes less than two minutes. The old fart is usually already hard when I go in there, and it isn't long before they shoot their load. Twenty bucks for a two-minute "local" [masturbating a male client] isn't a bad deal."
**10 year-old Laura: "Giving head isn't the most fun thing I ever did, but it was never scary either. Someone was always there to see that nothing went wrong and so that nobody would hurt me, and then I'd get some nice presents or get taken out somewhere so it was worth it. Now I'm used to it and the spending money is real nice."
**8 year-old Chris: "Her primary activity has been oral sex, which she says she enjoys."

*'''[http://www.ipce.info/booksreborn/brong_1.pdf Loving Boys, Volume One] 1986'''
**"In the archives of the Brongersma Foundation there is one tape recording made by a man during intimate play between himself and a twelve-year-old, and a second, recorded later, with an eight-year-old girl-friend. It is evident that the children enjoy this play very much; one can hear how they insist on more advanced sexual activities and implore the man to insert his penis, which he refuses to do." (p. 58)
**"A fourteen-year-old French girl wrote in her diary in 1978, after having slept with a 47-year-old man, 'This was the most marvellous day of my life, the most beautiful Christmas gift. Everything I did was deliberate, and everything that happened was at my initiative.' Unfortunately the girl's parents, after reading these pages, succeeded in having the man who gave their daughter this wonderful experience sent to prison. The feelings of the child were of no importance." (p. 58)

==1990s==

*'''R. Andrew Nilsen. (1992). Intergenerational Intimacy, in Empathy, Volume 3, Number 1, pp. 95-97.'''
*: "A girl of 10 with a man of 39 said: "I love seeing his body, he's so powerful and I enjoy kissing him all over." (p. 95).<ref>[[:File:Intergenerational Intimacy by Andrew Nilsen.pdf|Nilsen: Intergenerational Intimacy (internal link)]]</ref>

* '''[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blanche_d%27Alpuget Blanche D'Alpuget], (January 1993). The Taboo of Child Sexuality, in ''Australian Magazine'', 30-31, p. 14.''' Feminist author [[Beatrice_Faust|Beatrice Faust]] (1995, p. 82) describes D'Alpuget's experience, the writer and wife to longest-serving Australian Labor Prime Minister Bob Hawke, as follows:
*:"Blanche D'Alpuget, one of the very few women to discuss her experience without adopting a victim posture, says that it was both good and bad. [...] D'Alpuget's relationship began when she was 12 and the man was 54; since he was a friend of the family, she was not in his power; the non-violent relationship was limited to kissing and masturbation. Apart from the age differential, the relationship lacked most of the features associated with intense suffering in girl[s]".

*'''Leahy, Terry (1994). "Taking up a Position: Discourses of Femininity and Adolescence in the Context of Man/Girl Relationships," ''Gender & Society'', 8(1), 48-72.
*:"This article is based on a small-scale interview study (N = 19) of the experiences of girls who were or had been in sexual relationships with adults. It is confined to relationships that were considered by the young parties to have been voluntary and, in general, positive. [...] The interviewees wanted to make their positive experiences of such relationships public in view of the widespread opinion that all such events are harmful to the younger parties involved. The interviews were taped and transcribed. [...]
*:Wendy met Paul when she was 12 years old. He was in his mid-20s. [...]
*:From her account there is little doubt that Paul was in love with Wendy and showed this affection by his emotional support and understanding of her emotional needs at the time. A statement that stands as a summary of their relationship is the following:
*::He was just really ... he was much more sensitive than most people I've known. He's much more concerned. He just had ... the cup runneth over with love and affection. He was really attentive all the time and that sort of attention I've not had from, really from anybody. Just the depth of sensitivity and asking me how I felt about things all the time. [...]
*:Wendy's account fits this theme; she claims that Paul and his friends encouraged her to see herself as capable of undertaking university study and that this had a major impact on her life. [...]
*:Wendy and Paul's sexual relationship did not include penetration but was confined to tongue kissing and petting. [...] In her account, Wendy describes Paul's behavior in these terms:
*::I mean he did want to. He wanted to be sexual, he wanted to be physically close and I felt that. I remember rubbing against him when he had a hard on and things like that but most of the time it felt like he just wanted to be really close and warm. ... We used to cuddle a lot and kiss and things. It got vaguely sexual for a while. Tongue kissing ... a great wet beard. He was really really really gentle. More gentle than I think anyone else I've ever known as far as that goes. He was obviously being really careful. [...]
*:At one point she comments on the feeling of protection she felt when Paul carried her in his arms. [...]
*:Whereas conservative romantic texts require that the male leads and the female follows, Wendy suggests that she prized and insisted on an equality of authority in relationship. She did not hesitate to oppose Paul.
*:[...]
*:Bobbie, the last interviewee in this set of narratives, was introduced to her uncle when she was 11. [...] Bobbie has no doubts about her uncle's genuine fondness for her, and indicates a concern for her on his part which is consonant with the model of romance offered by conservative romantic texts:
*::It was so caring and considerate, I s'pose, which most adult sexual relations aren't because there's more of an equal, supposedly there's more of an equal power base so you don't ... I've never found that sort of catering for again but I treasure having been, not nurtured, but having been cared for that much and eased into it slowly and all those sorts of things. [...]
*::The experiences I had with an uncle whom I liked a lot and with whom I had a very important intellectual relationship were really important in terms of the development of my sexuality, like in terms of educating me basically."

*'''[http://www.ipce.info/host/rivas/girls_men/hilde_dillen.htm Hilde Dillen], a Belgian writer'' May-June 1997'''
*:In Zizo, a magazine for gay and bisexual men and women, Mark Sargeant published an article entitled ‘Ik rouw van jou - Jeugdschrijfster Hilde Dillen’. A few quotes from Hilde Dillen: 'At first I had intended to write about a very beautiful love relationship I used to have with a man who was 17 years older when I was a child of 13-14. But I think one should not be too revealing about such things, because it won't do you any good and it won't do your book any good either.' 'There's a lot of personal stuff in this work, based on my own life as a child and as a developing adult. Because of the relationship I experienced some situations in which I was dissected and rejected, at school, in your immediate environment... I think it is good for parents to realise that 12- to 13-year-old teenagers - who are supposed to be neither children nor adults - can sometimes be very intensively involved in erotic relations.'

*'''[http://www.newgon.net/CPP/WhyGuilty.htm Why Should I Feel Guilty If I Liked It?] by Rachel in All About Sex, 1998.'''
*:A woman in her twenties tells of a sexual relationship she had with an adult male neighbor from the age of six for at least six years. She writes, “Why should I feel guilty about the wonderful relationship I had with that man … right up until his death?”

*'''[https://www.perthnow.com.au/entertainment/celebrity/lily-allens-dad-called-cops-on-her-after-she-lost-her-virginity-aged-12-c-11613847 Lily Allen]''' (with males of uncertain but probably much greater age)
*:"She told comedian Alan Carr, 47, on his Life’s a Beach podcast about how her father thought she had gone missing when she was really having sex with a boy she was having a secret summer fling with: “I actually went missing. I lost my virginity to a guy called Fernando in Brazil. When I was about 12, no I am (not) joking”. [...] Allen added she “slept in the next day”, and said: “I woke up and there was police all over the hotel. They were literally combing the beach and had T-shirts (asking), ‘Is this what she was wearing?’ I didn’t have the heart to say, ‘No, I was just losing my virginity’”. [...] Allen said in 2018 she had sex with her dad’s friend when she was 14."

==2000-2005==
*'''[https://fstube.net/w/dLVC3k8EJbZwPkpLUNe1sL Video: Why I Remained Loyal To My 23yo Boyfriend When I Was 13]'''
*:Editor: In this video, a woman shares her positive testimony of resisting social norms while an adolescent herself.

*'''[https://web.archive.org/web/20090930044204/http://www.scarletletters.com/current/2001_rage.shtml Rage of Consent] by Heather Corinna in Soapbox Girls, July 2001.'''
**Sex activist Heather Corinna talks about the adult lovers she had when she was a teenager, including a 23-year-old man when she was 15. "...this was also by far the most wonderful and intimate relationship of my teen years. He was more respectful of my sexual boundaries than all of my same-age peers. He held me in higher esteem, and treated me with more respect, care and love than others my age. That may be because he was older, that may be because he was who he was — there really is no telling."
**A 16-year-old girl talks about her adult lovers. "When I have been with adults, I’ve always felt much more comfortable. … I felt less inhibited when I was with a man in his twenties.”
**A young woman talks about her year-long relationship with 25-year-old man when she was 16. “I look back at it with fondness. I still understand very well why I fell in love and lust with him."
**A grown woman talks about the adult lovers from her teenage years, including a 35-year-old man when she was 17. "They helped to expand my intellectual horizons, teach me more advanced social interactions and give me a different perspective on things from the point of view of a different generation."

*'''[http://web.archive.org/web/20050325114700/http://logicalreality.com/openbb/read.php?TID=424&page=1 Hannah] June 20, 2003'''
*:Prepubescent sex play becomes full intercourse with an adult. "[I]t was June, about a week after my seventh birthday [...] I'd been wandering around the different paths, maybe a little too far out into the fields, imagining I was exploring somewhere, when I suddenly came across a man lying down in the grass. At first I thought he must be hurt or something, but at the same time couldn't have not noticed he had his erect cock out. [...] I was really pleased with myself for having 'found' him, and when he asked If I'd like to meet again the next day to learn more I was over the moon. Well that meeting happened, and many more followed. His name was David and he was always very gentle and kind to me, and in the course of the next few weeks I was happily trying out all kinds of sex with him. [...] There are also very many women that I've talked to where they weren't discovered, and almost universally they have good feelings (or at the very worst, ambivalence) about the experience. There was a girl who joined my junior school when I was ten who had been in a relationship with a neighbour since she was 8 and at the time told me it was the most special and wonderful thing in her life. I hope no-one has found out and persuaded her otherwise since. There were two girls when I was about twelve that became great friends when we discovered we all had lovers who were in their thirties. One had been having sex as long as she could remember, the other for only about 3 months, but none of us were ever discovered and we all went on to be popular, go university, got decent jobs, and two of us have families, without any apparent psychological or physical trauma from the experience."

*'''[http://www.newgon.net/CPP/HFP-103.htm Once against — now supporting by "C".] in HFP Mailbag, April 2005.'''
*:An 18-year-old writes about being raped as a child, as well as her consensual relationship with a 19-year-old when she was twelve: "I was in complete agreement with all that went on in that relationship, and I was not at all manipulated."

*'''[http://www.newgon.net/CPP/HFP-c001.htm When Fairy Lost her Virginity] by "Fairy" in HFP Testimonies, November 2005.'''
*:The sex this 18-year-old had with a college freshman when she was twelve was not a positive experience, but she says it could have been and should have been, had she been taught better. "Someone should have told me, my family should have not ignored the possibility of me having sex. I realized that they did not care enough to ever prepare me for … the most important aspect of life."

==2006+==
*'''Award winning poet [[Delphine Lecompte]] (2021)'''.
::On May 6th, 2021, the Dutch Newspaper "Propria Cures," latin for "Mind Your Own Business," published an issue in their newspaper on free speech, specifically in relation to [[pedophilia]].<ref>[https://brongersma.info/PROPRIA_CURES_-_6_May_2021 Propria Cures English Translation (available for PDF viewing or download)], ''Brongersma.info''.</ref> Lecompte's contribution was number 8, titled "The gardener and the five-year-old child," which appears to be an account of Lecompte's [[Research:_Prevalence_of_Harm_and_Negative_Outcomes|own positively experienced sexual feelings and age-gap sex in childhood]]. Among other things, she wrote (retaining her original formatting):

<blockquote>
''As a five-year-old child, I was courted by my grandparents' sturdy weathered half-Bretan gardener. But actually I seduced him.'' [...]

''I stroked the gardener's stiff apron and asked him to show me around his world.''

''The gardener chased me away grimly. He didn't like children.'' [...]

''I knew I couldn't seduce the gardener with words, but maybe the swing would do the trick.''

''If I rocked very high he could see my panties, but he never looked at me, the rocking child. Let alone the panties. His back was always proudly and stubbornly turned to the swing.''

''Nevertheless, every Friday I wore my tightest cutest panties in the hope that the gardener would ever glance at them. After six months, I gave up.''

''I needed to be bolder. I devised a plan: on Thursday night, I would sneak down to my grandparents' basement to disguise a bottle of gin and a goblet of apricots in syrup, and I would then gobble up this rich, irresistible feast with the gardener the next day.'' [...]

''At first I watched the gardener like a horny sneaky voyeur: I gaped unabashedly at the sagging pants and at the sweaty slit leading to the anus.'' [...]

''The gardener turned around and caught me. But he was not annoyed, rather amused.''

''He called me to him, patted my crown and told me I could tip out the wheelbarrow full of weeds in that corner over there.''

''But the wheelbarrow was too heavy and the gardener came up behind me and put his hands on my hands and pressed his blissfully hard midsection against my back, and I thought I was going to cum.'' [...]

''The next Friday was the day: without swing, without gin, and without apricots I went to my goal.''

''I said to the gardener, "Caress me in the bushes, I need it. I've been waiting so long."''

''The gardener seemed moved, and he obeyed, thank God.''

''He tenderly laid me on a tarp between two conifers. He carefully removed my clothes and groped my small limbs with his dirty warm fingers. It was delicious! He built it up heavenly slowly and I almost didn't last, but finally he reached my vagina.'' [...]

''We experienced two years of fun, nay ecstasy. I spoiled him too, his penis in my mouth. Tricky it was not, on the contrary.''

''Even the penetration was much less painful than expected.'' [...]

''We were never caught, never booed, never stoned.''

''But one day his sister died and the gardener was able to get a better job: detective in Newport.''

''In my poems I regularly introduce the gardener as a character. I then invariably call him "the pedophile gardener," but that's not right. We were a couple, a vulgar blind foolish happy in love innocent couple.''

''It was beautiful and it was not perverse. Or if there was perversion involved it came from me.''<ref>For more detail not captured in this excerpt, please read the full story as printed in ''Propria Cures''.</ref>
</blockquote>

*'''[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wFp8vh2pQ0 kimxxxyyy (YouTube) at 12 with her adult male partner] February 7, 2008'''. She was an adult at the time of recording the video. (This video, titled "Re: My actual viewpoints on pedophilia", was deleted from YouTube and is now lost media. Please re-upload and add the link here if you have saved it, for archival purposes. [[Talk:Testimony:_Adult_Male_with_Minor_Female#Deleted_video_by_kimxxxyyy|More details]].)
*:"I never once thought anything wrong or bad, or that I was doing anything wrong or bad [...] We had a normal relationship...I saw nothing wrong with it, and I still see nothing wrong with it".

*'''[http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/westcoastnews/story.html?id=a43431bd-1bba-48b5-b530-ae50e39b7cd4 Girl (15) and Leo Poncelet] February 26, 2008'''
*:"Society might find it distasteful -- even morally reprehensible -- but a 40-year-old cowboy's sexual relationship with a 15-year-old girl was not criminal, a B.C. Supreme Court judge has ruled. In written reasons released earlier this month, Justice Daphne Smith acquitted Leo Poncelet of sexual exploitation charges, saying the man did not hold a position of authority or trust over the teen, even though he was her riding coach the summer the two became romantically and sexually involved. Smith said the emotional attachment between the two was mutual and the sex consensual, the result of a bond that formed between the two over the course of months."

*'''[http://www.thecourierexpress.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=20018936&brd=2758&pag&nr=1&nostat=1 Girls ?? & 14 with accused adult male] August 15, 2008'''
*:"One of the victims, a 14-year-old girl, told police that she, Lyle and a friend were in a bedroom at the residence. Lyle told the friend that if he had sex with him, he would give her a pack of cigarettes. The girl said she would only do it if the 14 year-old would too. The victim said she had sex with Lyle first and then her friend did. She said it was consensual and they were drinking that night. The victim also said she didn't want to pursue criminal charges. The second victim told police the same story but added that she was drunk that night and felt hung over the next day."

*'''[https://web.archive.org/web/20040603193432/http://www.freep.com/news/locoak/diary23_20040323.htm Oakland youth in sex diary case found dead] March 23, 2004'''
*:"In May 2002, at age 18, Fawcett was one of four young men charged with statutory rape for having sex with a 14-year-old Andover High School student. The girl's diary later revealed she had been sneaking out of her parents' Bloomfield Township home in the middle of the night to have oral and anal sex with 22 boys and men. In a May 2002 interview with the Free Press, the girl conceded that she was a predator and a victim: "I declare I am both. Yes, I'm a victim. I was a victim who was deceived by my own emotions and ignorance, of misplaced confidence, a victim of my own fantasies . . . Yes, predator for I chase people who themselves were victims of misplaced confidence.""

*'''[https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1347173/Obsessed-polo-player-45-jailed-illicit-affair-schoolgirl-horse-rider.html Obsessed polo player, 45, caught having illicit affair with schoolgirl horse rider, 15] 14 Jan, 2011, and [https://www.northwichguardian.co.uk/news/8778594.trial-day-four-businessman-accused-of-sex-acts-with-girl-15/ Trial day four: Businessman accused of sex acts with girl, 15] 8 Jan, 2011'''
*:“We were kissing, touching and hugging each other. Then he took my jeans off and I was just touching him and kissing. I was OK with that and I didn't tell him to stop or anything. I trusted him, I thought I loved him. We kept it a secret from everyone.” (<1st article | 2nd article>) "Mr Bold added that when the victim was being taken to the police station she was screaming and shouting saying she didn’t want to go. Later on in proceedings the alleged victim’s mother confirmed this."

*'''[https://fstube.net/w/e4QHVgNdFUxjTyNP5V9Tmz Excerpt from the documentary "Are All Men Pedophiles", where a woman reports her positive relationship at the age of 13 with her 18-year-old boyfriend Willem and the frictions caused by her father's intolerance.] 2 March, 2012'''
*:“He was sweet, cool, a little bit macho. My whole family approved of this relationship, except my father. One day, we were kissing in my room, and my dad found out. He began to shout "Get out of my ouse, and never come back! [...] Despite everything, I loved him, and I don't think what we did was wrong, or pedophilia. He is, and will always be, my first love."

*'''[https://fstube.net/w/hLwyic387rQwvFxXpHWvrr Lola Benvenutti (11) with adult man (30)] May 23, 2014'''
*:The ex-prostitute from the age of 17 to the age of 22, model, sex ed instructor, writer and feminist activist Lola Benvenutti says how, when she was 11, she pretended to be 16-17 years old to have sex with a 30 year old man:
*::'''Interviewer''': "You said rape, but it wasn’t rape?"
*::'''Lola''': "Of course not, I wanted to, I even think I wanted more than him. Actually, I forced him. I was eager to have an experience, and I liked that guy. For me, it was super cool, I discovered myself as a woman. So it was nothing traumatic, quite the opposite."

*'''[https://fstube.net/w/vPtYsz7bu6XWwToNCkaHC5 Excerpt from RTV Channel 38] January 19, 2016'''
*:Testimony of a 13-year-old girl for RTV Channel 38 defending her boyfriend after he was accused of rape of the vulnerable because of the consensual relationship between the two. The fact happened in Apucarana, PR, Brazil.

*'''[https://fstube.net/w/vPtYsz7bu6XWwToNCkaHC5 Excerpt from Juruá Online channel] June 20, 2013'''
*:Excerpt from the report of the Juruá Online channel shows a 13-year-old girl dissatisfied for being forced by the Justice to separate from her boyfriend with whom she had been in a relationship for seven months.

==Assorted Iatrogeny and secondary harm==

Iatrogenic harm (caused by medicine, e.g. therapy) is a frequent theme in male-female relationships, regardless of age. This helps demonstrate some of the misogynistic underpinnings of social reactions to girls sexual debut.

Many other cases document the secondary harms of legal and "moral" intervention by outsiders.

*'''[https://www.huffpost.com/entry/80s-rock-stars-teenager-sexual-assault_n_6409fd57e4b039f62db5ff38 I Was 15 When I Started Partying With Rock Stars. I Told No One What They Did To Me — Until Now] (2023)'''
*:"In the early years after the assaults by those famous men, I had little insight into how they had affected me. I didn’t even recognize I had been assaulted until I landed in that therapist’s office."

*'''[https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/02/german-court-rules-parents-of-15-year-old-girl-cannot-stop-her-h/ German court rules parents of 15-year-old girl cannot stop her having sexual relationship with uncle, 47]'''
*:"When the couple were discovered in the south of France, Josephine told police she had run away voluntarily and was in love with the older man, who was her uncle by marriage. In common with several other European countries, the age of sexual consent in Germany is 14. Josephine’s parents sought a court order to prevent her being in contact with her uncle, on the grounds that the relationship was endangering her welfare. [...] The court case was the culmination of months of strife between the girl and her parents. When they forbade her from seeing her uncle on her return from France, she left home, stopped attending school and tried to stay in a government shelter. Her parents later had her admitted to a psychiatric hospital for five months. She refused to tell her parents the whereabouts of her uncle. The 47-year-old has children of his own, and has also been a foster parent."

*'''[https://people.com/tv/paris-hilton-says-she-dated-her-8th-grade-teacher/ Paris Hilton]''' - ''People'' interview re teacher relationship aged 13/14, in ''Paris: The Memoir''.
*:"all the girls in my class were crushing on this handsome young teacher" [who had a] "very Abercrombie" [look] "Everyone loved him, including the nuns" / "I've got a crush on you." [he said] / "He made me feel noticed in an important, grown-up way" / "He flattered and teased me and said that all the other girls were talking about me behind my back because they were jealous." / "and we talked for hours about how amazingly mature, beautiful, and intelligent I was, how sensual, misunderstood, and special" / "I climbed into the passenger seat. Teacher pulled me into his arms and kissed me" [her parents then came home and saw Hilton and her teacher in the driveway] / "Somehow, people [at school] seemed to know." / "I don't know if there were any repercussions to the teacher or if there was any attempt to prevent him from choosing another little girl," / "My parents never volunteered any information, and I never asked, but I assume the fear of bad publicity would have prevented them from making a scene or pressing charges." / "I never allowed myself to talk or even think about what it really was or why I climbed out the window to kiss that stupid pedophile. It took decades for me to actually speak the word pedophile," / "Casting him in the role of child molester meant casting myself in the role of victim, and I just couldn't go there." / [what hurt her was] "the fact that I had enjoyed something that was, in reality, utterly vile." / "Even now, knowing in my grown-up mind that no child is ever to blame for inappropriate adult behavior, my face is literally burning as I sit here telling you this terrible secret," / "I'm not sure I'll ever be able to fully shake it off. But it's a key part of my story."

*'''[https://www.cosmopolitan.com/uk/reports/a9949676/schoolgirl-flees-to-france-with-teacher-2017-update/ "Gemma Grant"]''' - The anonymous girlfriend of "Paedophile Abductor" Jeremy Forrest tells of her relationship, from age 14, which led to the manhunt.
*:"We first got close on a school trip to LA in February 2012 when I was 14 and in year 10. I would hang back from the group to chat to him, as we appeared to have so much in common – we liked the same bands and would compare our favourite Nirvana lyrics. I thought he was so cool; he had a tattoo of a blue star on his arm and performed at local gigs. On the flight home, I sat between him and a female teacher and clung on to their hands to help my fear of flying – but I didn’t want to let go of Jeremy’s when we landed. [...] And soon enough, it did – just a few days after my 15th birthday in June. As we walked along the seafront, we finally kissed. After that we met more regularly – I’d tell my mum I was at my friend Louise’s* – we even kissed in empty classrooms at school. [...] Everybody at school seemed so narrow-minded, but suddenly I had a man in front of me with his own opinions, someone who I could have a real, intelligent discussion with. He had so much life experience and I loved hearing about it. He would show me messages from his wife where they were arguing, and insisted that they were separated, despite still living together (their flat had two bedrooms). I chose to believe him. It was in his spare room that we had sex for the first time, a little over a month after that first kiss. He didn’t know I was a virgin. Later, when I’d told him the truth, it would sometimes put him off having sex with me. [...] As soon as I stepped through the school gates to begin year 11, the atmosphere had changed. Rumours had begun to circulate after a girl I’d been on a summer work placement with saw me getting into Jeremy’s car. She told her boyfriend, who told another teacher. But I was so in love I didn’t want to stop the whispers. When people asked me, I’d just reply, “We’re close, but so what?” [...] Teachers suspected something, too. A week into term, one even dragged Jeremy out of the canteen when he saw me enter; the general feeling seemed to be that I was putting a decent man’s career at risk. Every day, kids in my year would shout ‘slut’ as I walked down the halls. It hurt. Was that what I was? And was I actually ruining his life? I began to have panic attacks. I’d shut myself in the school toilets, unable to breath, and try to count slowly to 10 to stay calm. Jeremy was feeling the strain, too. We continued to speak and see one another as much as we could, but it felt like the walls were closing in. The worst thing was, there was no one to turn to. After the school trip to LA, I tried broaching the subject with my mum by explaining there were rumours at school that I was too friendly with Jeremy, as people had spotted us looking close on the plane. Her response was a very clear and sharp, “That had better not be true.” I felt her judgement heavy on my shoulders, and knew if I told the truth, I’d be banned from seeing the man who’d become the centre of my world. [...] When Jeremy asked what I wanted to do, I replied, “Run away.” I wanted us to be free. [...] We were oblivious to the media frenzy back home, to the headlines screeching ‘Paedophile teacher abducts innocent school girl.’ [...] Despite our best efforts, just over a week after our arrival in France, on 28th September, as we walked hand-in-hand towards a pub where Jeremy had been invited for a trial shift, a man in regular clothes jumped out and grabbed him. I began screaming – begging passers-by for help, thinking he was being mugged. Then my arms were pushed behind me. I couldn’t breathe and the only word I understood was ‘police’. Jeremy was handcuffed and pushed onto a bench. [...] The first question they asked when I arrived at the French police station was, “Did you have sex?” and then, “Did you willingly go over to France?” I replied “yes” to both. I wanted the lies to be over. [...] I wrapped myself in his cardigan on the plane journey home – it smelled of his Hugo Boss aftershave. The police saw it as a black-and-white case of a man taking advantage of some silly girl. But, to me, Jeremy was my boyfriend and he’d been torn away from me."

*'''[https://web.archive.org/web/20130820120245/http://members.chello.nl/o.van.buuren/The%20Age%20of%20Consent,%20Radio%20Netherlands%201993.mp3 Gonnie (mp3 audio)] date unknown'''
*:Mother of 8y/o girl involved with an adult man. Audio account - please wait for it to load, and fastforward to 22:50. The daughter showed no problems until her older partner ended their relationship for his girlfriend, which emphasized the wrongness (infidelity) of it to her and caused a lot of guilt.

*'''[http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-369937/When-Gary-touched-I-thought-playing.html Tran Thi Truc Diem] November 28, 2005'''
*:A 10 year old Vietnamese girl, on contacts with Paul 'Gary Glitter' Gadd. "I liked Uncle Gary at first," said Diem, "but now that my mother has told me that what he did was very wrong I hate him. I thought he was just playing when he touched me but my mother said he should never have done that." "He started tickling me all around my body. He was doing it for a little while and then Aunt Oanh came in and saw him. "My mother has told me it was very, very bad so now I hate Uncle Gary. I don't want to see him ever again".

*'''[https://www.businessinsider.nl/alanis-morissette-says-she-was-raped-by-multiple-men-in-new-hbo-documentary-jagged/ Alanis Morissette]'''
*:Morissette says in the movie. "It took me years in therapy to even admit there had been any kind of victimization on my part. I would always say I was consenting, and then I'd be reminded like 'Hey, you were 15, you're not consenting at 15.' Now I'm like, 'Oh yeah, they're all pedophiles. It's all statutory rape."

*'''[http://www.just-well.dk/leth.htm Germaine Greer] in "Seduction is a four-letter word"'' 1980-88'''
*:"From the child´s point of view and from the commonsense point of view, there is an enormous difference between intercourse with a willing little girl and the forcible penetration of the small vagina of a terrified child. One woman I know enjoyed sex with an uncle all through her childhood, and never realized that anything was unusual until she went away to school. What disturbed her then was not what her uncle had done but the attitude of her teachers and the school psychiatrist. They assumed that she must have been traumatized and disgusted and therefore in need of very special help. In order to capitulate their expectations, she began to fake symptoms that she did not feel, until at length she began to feel truely guilty about not having been guilty. She ended up judging herself very harshly for this innate lechery."

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