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2022-11-25T07:49:40Z

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<Gallery>
File:Kate.png|Kate Winslet - Positive Memories (15 female with 28 male, straight sex (f-m))
File:ClarissaNew.png|Clarissa Dickson Wright - Consenting Juveniles (6/7 female with seaman, straight sex (f-m), masturbation, discovery, but absence of secondary harm)
File:Heather.png|Heather Corinna - Consenting Juveniles (15 female with 25 male, straight sex (f-m), partner's suicide caused by secondary harm)
File:Karin.png|Karin Spaink - Consenting Juveniles (13 female with 21 male, straight sex (f-m), minor took initiative)
File:faust.png|Beatrice Faust - Positive memories (minor female with adult male, straight sex (f-m))
File:Nikki.png|Nikki Prescott - Consenting Juveniles (15 female with 18 male, straight sex (f-m), ended in marriage despite adversity of investigation)
File:BethShort.png|Beth Kelly - Positive Memories (8 female with female (great aunt, widowed), lesbian sex, close, long-term relationship)
File:Ranveer.png|Ranveer Singh - Deccan Chronicles (12-16 male with older females, straight sex (m-f), saw it as status among his peers)
File:Roger.png|Roger Baldwin - Consenting Juveniles (12/13 male with female house maid, straight sex (m-f))
File:KirkD.png|Kirk Douglas - Consenting Juveniles (15 male with female teacher, straight sex (m-f), he cited a transformative effect upon his life)
File:IkeTurner.png|Ike Turner - Positive Memories (6-12 male with multiple older females, straight sex (m-f), including an initiation)
File:GeorgeHamilton.png|George Hamilton - Positive Memories (12 male with 28 female (stepmom), straight sex (m-f), never felt "dirty")
File:positive1.png|Jorge Gonzalez - Positive memories (13 male with 21 male, gay sex)
File:DanSavage3.png|Dan Savage - Consenting Juveniles (15 male with multiple males, gay sex, initiated by minor)
File:TomDriberg.png|Tom Driberg - Consenting Juveniles (13 and up male with multiple males, gay sex, initiated by lustful minor who became a politician)
File:HarryHayFinal.png|Harry Hay - Positive memories (14 male with older male, gay sex)
File:WilliamPercy.png|William A Percy - Consenting Juveniles (14-17 male with multiple males, gay sex, initiated by minor)
File:Ivo.png|Ivo Von Hove - Positive Memories (early teen male with older male, gay sex)
File:JamesDubro.png|James Dubro - Positive Memories (14 male with 22 male, gay sex) with a long-time [[Pederasty|pederast]] who he never knew to act abusively
File:KirkRead.png|Kirk Read - Positive Memories (13 male with adult male, gay sex - a relationship that helped him accept himself and convinced him that an age gap does not automatically mean abuse)
File:SameulDelaney.png|Samuel Delaney - JUMIMA (6 male with adult male, gay sex - an experience of non-penetrative sex)
File:MarkMedlock.png|Mark Medlock - JUMIMA (8 male with 32 male, gay sex - initiated by the minor himself who became a popular singer)
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2022-03-19T14:04:36Z

MAPCrusader: Kirk Read - Positive Memories

== Summary ==
Kirk Read - Positive Memories

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2022-03-19T13:30:21Z

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2022-03-19T13:29:57Z

MAPCrusader: James Dubro - Positive Memories

== Summary ==
James Dubro - Positive Memories

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2022-03-19T12:53:13Z

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2022-03-19T12:52:47Z

MAPCrusader: GeorgeHamilton - Positive Memories

== Summary ==
GeorgeHamilton - Positive Memories

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2022-03-15T11:29:58Z

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2022-03-15T11:29:21Z

MAPCrusader: Ike Turner - Positive Memories

== Summary ==
Ike Turner - Positive Memories

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2022-02-19T17:44:08Z

MAPCrusader: Good Touch, Bad touch

== Summary ==
Good Touch, Bad touch

2022-02-15T17:22:14Z

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<Gallery>
File:positive1.png|Jorge Gonzalez - Positive memories
File:faust.png|Beatrice Faust - Positive memories
File:HarryHayFinal.png|Harry Hay - Positive memories
File:Ivo.png|Ivo Von Hove - Positive Memories
File:Kate.png|Kate Winslet - Positive Memories
File:Roger.png|Roger Baldwin - Consenting Juveniles
File:Heather.png|Heather Corinna - Consenting Juveniles
File:Karin.png|Karin Spaink - Consenting Juveniles
File:Ranveer.png|Ranveer Singh - Deccan Chronicles
File:ClarissaNew.png|Clarissa Dickson Wright - Consenting Juveniles
File:Nikki.png|Nikki Prescott - Consenting Juveniles
File:DanSavage2.png|Dan Savage - Consenting Juveniles
File:Percy.png|William A Percy - Consenting Juveniles
File:Beth2.png|Beth Kelly - Positive Memories
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2022-02-15T15:44:49Z

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2022-02-15T15:17:53Z

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2022-02-15T15:14:43Z

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2021-12-31T08:50:35Z

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__NOTOC__==Editorial limits==

Due to the growing size of this page, there will be the following editorial limits in place for the first three categories:

'''Trad Memes:''' 60 files (at limit, please replace/revise existing concepts!)
'''Troll type Memes:''' 12 file (5)
'''Infographics/Unironic Memes:''' 40 files

This means that when the limits are reached, each editor should remove some of their own material to make way for new material. Alternatively, they can work on/improve some of their own material and just replace. This does not place limits on presenting completed material here or on any such personal project page, where various merits and possibility of inclusion in this project may be discussed. We can review these limits after a year if we think there is some new material out there that merits inclusion for example. --[[User:The Admins|The Admins]] ([[User talk:The Admins|talk]]) 09:48, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

==Stonetoss==

Someone should study the mechanisms of the cartoonist Stonetoss and apply them to our subject - with or without a cartoon --[[User:JohnHolt|JohnHolt]] ([[User talk:JohnHolt|talk]]) 19:05, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

==Sketch==

Explaining "bad touch"

Teacher: Sooo... when you trip over and graze your knee, that's bad touch

Boy: yes

Teacher: When the intruder hits you in the head with a baseball bat, that's bad touch

Boy: I know

Teacher: Good. So when Uncle Chester touches you in your swimsuit area, that's ALSO bad touch

Boy: Why, it felt good last time he did it?

Teacher (with shrinking/disappearing text a la leftist meme):

You are unable to give informed consent due to an inherent power imbalance owing to your developmental deficiencies in relation to this individual. This makes the interaction not only morally wrong, but exploitative and in addition to that, an abuse of trust because established social boundaries have been contravened. Further, this action is imcopatible with various codependencies and attachment norms between the two individuals and may only produce long term traumas, thus being perceived as innocuous at the time by the victim. --[[User:JohnHolt|JohnHolt]] ([[User talk:JohnHolt|talk]]) 23:38, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

===Sketch 2===

A man is on a beach, giving a massage to a young teenage girl. Fat Karen is in the background.

Masseur: Oh, wait a minute. [Fat Karen is walking over]

Fat Karen: EXCUSE ME, but can you stop what you are doing please.

Masseur: Wh....

Fat Karen: You are triggering my personal memories of childhood sexual abuse, and I find it deeply traumatic!

Masseur: I'm sorry to hear that, but she is a high school track athlete and has a competition tomorrow. This is a physiotherapy treatment.

Fat Karen: BUT I AM A VICTIM OF SEXUAL ABUSE.

Masseur: But this is not sexual abuse, we are minding our own business.

Fat Karen (with disappearing leftist meme speech bubble):

I WILL NOT ACCEPT
that you are not sexually abusing this little girl
this is VILE and DEGENERATE sexual molestation going on in plain sight
and you do not understand the deeply traumatic nature of these acts and should be ashame...

[the girl is pictured running off into the distance without a bikini top, as two men in Fat Karen's group turn their heads appetitively]

===Sketch 3===

A MAP speaker and a LGBT are pictured in different panels speaking before their audience.

LGBT: "Welcome, fellow Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Non Binary, Two-spirit...

MAP: "Greetings, fellow MAPs, Yesmaps and NOMAPS...

'''Shared''' speech bubble: "Today is a special day to celebrate our history; our people. Fine people like Oscar Wilde, Alan Turing and Harry Hay... OUR people."

==OK==

So there is a lot of content now. Some of it has been successful in the Twitter campaign, and I will do more ordering to reflect that. It would be better at this point (re. common themes) to go through what content there is and look at ways of developing and improving it. What I am going to do is go over the page content with a stategic eye and remove some content, then create a gallery in here with pointers to how it could be improved.

As for things such as testimony graphics and research/fact-led information, we can push on. I'll do an update soon. --[[User:The Admins|The Admins]] ([[User talk:The Admins|talk]]) 10:31, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

A lot of this is unnecessary use of "child" where it could refer to a broader group (teens, minors, underage, youth, or kids - although that sounds like "child" to an American). Most Americans think of small children - prepubes when you say "child", so this is easily misunderstood. The material needs to be directed more towards the age groups documented in the accounts and testimonies section, and our research. Our own position on AoC is 12-16, see [[Ethos of Newgon|ethos]] so why push "child"? "Child" can be used in certain situations, such as referring to innocence or when dealing with mindfuck type scenarios such as the landmine meme I suspended below. Using "child" all the time is just counterproductive. More below...

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File:boynature.png|Good meme, but unnecessarry use of "child"
File:BioExu2.png|Unnecessarry use of "child" in 1 instance. Should be "juvenile". (Updated and uploaded)
File:ModernWhiteMan.png|Just put "age gap", "youth" or "older-younger". Child is unnecessary. (Updated and uploaded)
File:Kidsnt.png|This needs to be completely reworked I think, with reference to age of majority rather than "children" or "kids". It requires discussion.
File:Sor12.png|Unnecessary reference to child
File:Sor33.png|Unnecessary reference to child
File:SRape.png|Now there is a combined version of these, I removed to save space
File:LieAboutAge1.png|Now there is a combined version of these, I removed to save space
File:Statutory.png|Now there is a combined version of these, I removed to save space [consider linking them from the statutory rape combined file, as alternative versions, or even deleting and reuploading as alterversions]
</gallery>

===Trad memes===

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File:Post.png|This is a more strategic use of small kids as it addresses hysteria over exposure of flesh rather than going on about them being able to consent etc. It's still in the article.
File:LandMine.png|Concept/graphic needs polish/removed to create more room (working on it)
File:Bbobssuck2.png|This is the right idea... maybe open a discussion on the wording.
File:hire.jpg|This is potentially a good application of the cartoon. But it needs to start from the premise "So who is writing our explainer on the effects of CSA?", then progress through "I studied under David Finkelhor", "5 Years at Mayo Clinic", "My teacher sucked me o..."
File:chat.png|Taken to create space... think there's a betetr meme making the same point
</gallery>

===New Content===
I will be adding all the new content here, as we want to set the limits on the main meme/graphics page. Whichever content you find suitable, you can pick up and put it up there on the main page.
<gallery>
File:boring78.png|CSA story, audience sleep
File:divorce.jpg|Add thiss or similar when we have space
File:shotdead.png|Do we have an example?? (We had examples, but that would make the flyer too much filled with content)
File:Trojan_horse.jpg|CSA trojan to breach encryption laws
File:birdorplane.png|Is it bird or plane, no its CSA
File:LoveisLove.png|Meant to trigger/anger antis
File:MurderNoOneKilled.png|It is theft, even if nothing was stolen
File:LoveQuote.png|Love Quote with adult-teen [unfortunately all these graphics repositories have pics of adults being intimate with kids in what appears to be a parental role. As a result, they focus on a pretty big age gap and kids who look like they barely hit puberty]
File:SRcombined.png|Statutory rape with 3 reasons
File:Time2bomb.png|Bomb on the crotch - new version
File:matthew.png|Priest with Kids and Matthew 19:14
File:whataboutism2.png|Whataboutism : MAP vs Gay
File:mathsbywest.png|No mathematical operations on numbers below 18
</gallery>

===Discussion===
Right, so now I've gone through the whole thing, we '''still''' have a section which is highly biased towards prepubescent children, so this needs addressing. Prepubescent children can be useful when attacking concepts such as innocence, moral hysteria and the trauma myth (in very limited and carefully controlled ways, such as "molesting a toddler's genitals when you clean them/change it's nappy is not traumatic"). However, nothing is to be gained by making unsourced statements/opinions in relation to very young children. No firsthand testimony? No expert opinion to verify consent/disprove trauma? No elongated and elaborate argument (scholarship level critical analysis)? If so, you are just going to lose by repeatedly mentioning prepubescent children as if proving they can consent is your hobbyhorse. Also, by repeating this kind of focus, we do the same kind of thing as the NAMBLA bulletin in the 80s, and just play into this idea of being a pedophile liberation organization. It's a lose-lose.

==Next few days ==

What I'm going to do is go through this (content kept on talk) and delete anything that's not worth having on the site - so please save anything you have not kept copies of. Then we should probably do a post on FST and BC, and ask for feedback, particularly re. quality, and whether there is anything unusual about the focus of the material. I am pretty sure some ideas work very well, but would want to seek feedback about others.