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Hebephile

2009-05-30T00:37:00Z

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Nepiophile

2009-05-30T00:36:40Z

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Debate Guide: The kids do not want it

2009-05-30T00:31:45Z

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'''"Your arguments will only come into play, once children themselves start asking for sex. I have not heard a single one making such requests!"'''

Apathy is central to the oppression of many groups. The very definition of oppression is to undermine liberties with physical or mental tyranny. Minors, women and slaves would not be treated this way if they collectively stood up and challenged the status quo. In this sense, your argument could be used to justify the mistreatment of Arab women, and it is therefore unacceptable. It is worth noting that the process by which women and western children are silenced is exclusion and alienation from the civil rights discourse. Very few children have a concept of civil rights or activism, nor do they have the right to vote. Due to society's wishful denial of children's sexual appeal, youth are not driven to see themselves as sexually attractive and thus eligible. There is no way of asking for something that you are not even allowed to comprehend the existence of.

Expanding on this, a common argument is that the average child (in western societies) would struggle to express sexual feelings due to a lack of understanding sexuality. This, however, is not caused by merely age; rather, the environment. Continuing with the examples of women and slaves, this same concept can be found among individuals of all ages throughout history. When foreign powers would try to incite slave revolts in rival sovereignties, many a time they would face problems. Slaves would refuse to revolt, claiming their masters would not approve. These slaves lived their entire lives as subordinates to their masters; it is all they knew. They could not comprehend the concepts of liberty and freedom beyond what they could observe of their masters. When the feminist movement first began, most women were opposed to it. They, too, lived their whole lives as subordinates to men. And they, too, struggled to comprehend civil liberty. This inability was used by anti-feminism as a supporting argument as to why women should not be emancipated from men.

Likewise, child sexuality is repressed, and their exposure to information regarding sexuality is greatly limited. With the establishment of "adult content" filtration, children are hidden from the knowledge that would allow them to better understand sexuality. When they do gain enough information to ask, assuming they are not already whipped into fearing punishment upon asking, the answers are withheld, the child is presumed to have been "corrupted" or "abused" and often is even victimised.

Your argument is also illogical, because in removing legal ''restrictions'' and encouraging ''freedoms'' we do not require someone's explicit will to exercise those new freedoms. It is simply good enough that these freedoms are there instead of prohibitions and railroading of individual agents into behaviour patterns that appease the force of authority. On the other hand, you are advocating coercion (from sex). So unless the consensus in lawmaking has shifted from "what should we prohibit?" to "what should we allow?", it is you who needs to provide evidence that age of consent laws improve more people's lives on the whole.

Please also note that lists of [[Accounts and Testimonies|accounts]] and [[Research|studies]] partially disprove your claims of apathy. Too often, we simply do not listen to those who would challenge our preconceived biases.

[[Category:Debate]][[Category:Debating Points: Child/Minor]]

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Debate Guide: The kids do not want it

2009-05-30T00:28:44Z

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Debate Guide: The kids do not want it

2009-05-30T00:27:21Z

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Template:Research:MA

2009-05-28T08:46:45Z

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'''Crimes suggesting an attraction to minors...'''

*[[Research: Child Pornography]]: What is the nature of child pornography, and the effect of its use?

'''Clinical theories of minor-attracted people...'''

*[[Research: Cognitive Distortion]]: Is the evidence for a significant degree of distortion in the beliefs of pedophiles sound?
*[[Research: Psychopathy and abnormal psychology]]: Are pedophiles or ephebophiles suffering from a mental disorder/s?
*[[Research: Pedophilia as a sexual/erotic orientation]]: Does pedophilia constitute an orientation?
*[[Research: Nonsexual aspects]]: What are the nonsexual aspects of pedophilic attractions?

'''Prevalence and cure...'''

*[[Research: Prevalence]]: How common is pedophilia? How many pedophiles "act out"?
*[[Research: A "cure" for pedophilia?]]: To what extent is pedophilia a choice? Can it be "cured"?

Talk:BLogo

2009-05-21T20:27:17Z

Pantheadoros: /* LBLogo */ Typo fix

== LBLogo ==
I noticed that LBLogo was never written, and so I just replaced the link to it under 'See also' by moving the link to GLogo to the top. I am writing this here because I want to point out that I believe any mention of the LBLogo should be done within the BLogo page rather than having its own page since it really is little more than a distortion of the BLogo, and its meaning is practically the same. Certainly it is not significant enough on its own to call for a whole new page, is it? --[[User:Pantheadoros|Pantheadoros]] 20:24, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Talk:BLogo

2009-05-21T20:24:57Z

Pantheadoros: New page: == LBLogo == I noticed that LBLogo was never written, and so I just replaced the link to it under 'See also' by moving the link to GLogo to the top. I am writing this here because I want t...

== LBLogo ==
I noticed that LBLogo was never written, and so I just replaced the link to it under 'See also' by moving the link to GLogo to the top. I am writing this here because I want to point out that I believe any mention of the LBLogo should be done within the BLogo page rather than having its own section since it really is little more than a distortion of the BLogo, and its meaning is practically the same. Certainly it is not significant enough on its own to call for a whole new page, is it? --[[User:Pantheadoros|Pantheadoros]] 20:24, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

BLogo

2009-05-21T20:10:53Z

Pantheadoros: /* See also */ Removed link to non-existent LBLogo page and moved link to GLogo to the top for consistency with the BLogo link on the GLogo page

[[Image:blogo200.gif|frame|left|A BLogo]]__NOTOC__The '''BLogo''' is a graphic symbol for [[boylove]] that is widely used across the online boylove community. It consists of two blue intertwined triangles, one outer that symbolises the man, and one inner that symbolises the [[boy]] in a boylove relationship. Due to its shape, it is occasionally described as a "spirangle".

==Symbolism==

The triangle theme originated with the inverted pink triangle that known [[homosexuality|homosexuals]] were forced to wear in Nazi concentration camps during Germany's Third Reich period. [[Gay]] communities have adopted the upside down pink triangle as a symbol of gay pride. The BLogo designers took that symbology a step further, inverting the triangle and changing the color to blue. The BLogo is designed to be an easily recognizable and reproducible logo for [[boylovers]], while also being anonymous when the situation demands it. A large consideration in the design process was to make a symbol that could be easily drawn in the sand with a finger.

==History==

{{MAI}}The BLogo was designed in February 1997 by Kalos in response to a online design contest sponsored by Tygyr, a teenage boylover whose Tygyrnet website was very popular at the time. Various triangle designs had been proposed but none became popular with the BL communities of the day. When Kalos submitted his design, it struck an instant chord and was adapted very quickly by [[Free Spirits]] and by many other on-line boylover organizations.

There is an interesting personal story behind the design: Kalos did not actually do the artwork for the BLogo. He facilitated the design with his life partner of more than 20 years. Kalos and his partner the artist have been together since Kalos' partner was just 14 years old.

==See also==

*[[GLogo]]
*[[Childlove Media Activism Logo]]
*[[CLogo]]

==External links==

*[https://freespirits.org/blogo/ BLogo Official Site]

[[Category:Official Encyclopedia]] [[Category:Terminology]][[Category:Terminology: Childlove]][[Category:History & Events]][[Category:History & Events: 1990s]][[Category:Art]]

Uncommon Sense Edition 2

2009-05-16T04:38:46Z

Pantheadoros: New page: __NOTOC__Edition 2''Uncommon Sense Magazine'': A quarterly digest of subversive minor-adult sexuality. '''Edition 2, 16 May, 2009'''. To discu...

__NOTOC__[[Image:Uncommonsense-cover2.jpg|frame|Edition 2]]''Uncommon Sense Magazine'':

A quarterly digest of subversive minor-adult sexuality.

'''Edition 2, 16 May, 2009'''.

To discuss this edition, see [http://newgon.com/blog wordpress]. [[NewgonWiki:Uncommon Sense|Get involved]] in writing the next issue.

==This issue==

*[[#Editorials|Editorials]] - On Gieles' challenge.
*[[#State of the movement|State of the movement]] - Online progress, B4U-Act, Academia
*[[#News Digest|News Digest]] - US, UK, Canada, Germany, Sweden, Jamaica, Panama, Philippines, Ghana, Japan
*[[#Letters to the Editor|Letters to the Editor]] - Call for letters.
*[[#On the forums|On the forums]] - BoyChat and GirlChat.
*[[#This 3 months in anti-pedophilia|This 3 months in anti-pedophilia]] - Yvonne van Hertum arrest, attacks on NAMbLA.
*[[#Links and recommended reading|Links and recommended reading]] - Notes from Another Country.

Happy reading. - The Editors.

==Editorials==

===What can be done?===

'''On Gieles' challenge'''

''Minor-adult sexuality. There is no movement, lets start one.''

''By Newgon.com''.

In his 2008 article for Koinos, Dr Frans Gieles concluded that ''ideology'' overrides the lesser power of legitimate scientific enquiry. He is undoubtedly correct. Gieles then asks us "what can be done against such ideologies?" He knows the answer, but leaves the task of establishing its "what" and "how" to another author, or at least another day.

'''The need for political movement'''

To challenge and overthrow the prevailing ideology, we need more than a logical argument from legitimate, clean-cut science or philosophy. We need something that in his lifetime, Gieles has seen live, die, succeed and fail for different communities. We need a movement; specifically - a social-political movement for minor-adult sexuality. Firstly, our article will argue that ''there is no movement'' in this area, and then go on to assert that certain people in their online communities are entertaining a ''movement fallacy.'' We will then suggest, with emphasis on past failures, and present opportunities, ways of initiating political movement as a solution to Gieles' challenge.

Owing to its speculative nature, we will not be making detailed proposals as to exactly what form a core movement for minor-adult sexuality would or should take in the long-run. Instead, we will analyse our agenda/s, past and present, with emphasis on ''opportunities'' for future co-operation and development.

'''Who are "we"?'''

To understand our character, agenda, reputation and future as a potential collective movement, we must first answer this question. In answering this question, we also learn one very important thing, namely that in social-political terms, there ''is no present movement''.

So firstly, we must assess the organ of publication. [[Newgon.com]], on which this magazine is published, is a website founded to campaign for the right of two or more people, disparate in age, to experience erotic rapport free from prosecution. This campaign involves a diversity of parties, approaching the topic from a number of perspectives both personal and political. Even the site's greatest detractors have capitulated to describing its founder quite plainly as a "gay man".

''"Pedophiles"''

But this neglects the fact that a very large number, possibly a majority of our participants were solicited from communities that are explicitly identified by themselves and if not, by others as "pedophile". If we look at Gieles' most recent publication of choice, [[Koinos|a photography magazine with topical articles]], the only (allegedly) "mainstream" commentary comes from the characteristically self-important [[Stephanie Dallam]], vomiting the term "pedophile" into typefont as if she were already preparing to cleanse every orifice of her body after such an unsanitary exertion. Even rabid finger-pointers like Dallam are aware that the groups mentioned have given voice to those historical figures described as activist pedophiles - indeed dispassionately at the time, but more recently with a semantically incompetent, abusive fervour comparable to that of a 16th-century witch-hunting manual. We do, like-it-or-not, have society's "pedophiles" of choice among us, and we must therefore find legitimate ways of defending them. In fact, it is probably prudent to assume that this poisonous but definitive term could easily be used to describe all of us.

The fair and balanced (although by no means the consensus) definition of our agenda would describe a group of adults for:

*1. The legalisation of adult-minor erotics ... and/or

*2. The de-pathologisation and acceptance of adult attractions to minors.

Notable absences are minors' relationships with one another and their attractions to adults. Add to this the indispensable advocacy of young people and their eventual emancipation from the category known as ''children''. That these are not included is by no means a denunciation of such interests, but a frank admission that these key elements are absent or exceedingly rare at present.

'''There is no movement'''

Gieles asked what can be done for a very good reason. This is perhaps the same reason that when dozens of pedophiles were banned from a user-generated "online encyclopedia", the article "Childlove Movement" was renamed, reduced dramatically in size and then correctly altered to imply that there is no such movement in this present day.

Too many, but not enough of us hide behind screen-names, fearing (quite wisely) that we would be unsupported, seen as illegitimate and mercilessly harassed if we made our identities known. Those of us who since the fall of the wider, pre-90s social movements, have taken the step - forced or otherwise of "going alone" have seen mixed fortunes ranging from psychological ragdolling, thru apathetic public ostracism, to dematerialisation. At present, unless two or three private discussion groups and a number of anonymous peer-support societies can be classed as an ongoing political movement, no such thing can be said to exist on the fronts we identified. It is perhaps more likely that through a combination of good intentions, desperation, wishful thinking and egotism, some individuals who do little more than post on single-issue bulletin boards see themselves as political activists. From this delusion, and to some extent through the warping and aggrandisement of the peer support culture, we could even conclude that a social-political movement exists; a kind of ''movement fallacy''. This is an inconvenient concept that is to the space it begs to fill as Christopher Meloni is to ''[[Law and Order: SVU|Senior Detective]]''. Appealing in some cases, sometimes convincing (if only in its perversity), but ultimately a Trojan Horse that should never be taken for real.

With that said, there is no reason at all to suggest that what already exists has no use. The provision of peer-support and information resources is exactly what we require to recruit, inform and improve morale. The "community" and its senior elements will exist as a reference point for lessons learned, acting as the speck of dust from which bigger and better things germinate. But this should not be seen to justify idly waiting for others to accept our conditions before we move onwards in union. We have to spot potential allies and identify the intermediate issues whose resolution will enlighten the public to ours and ultimately make them debatable. We need to realise that initial progress may not equate to a radical analysis of underpinning factors, and that in such a vein, we can discreetly influence other, more successful groups, perhaps without pushing any other agenda for months or even years.

'''Past failures'''

Those old enough to remember will generally agree that the old movements for sexual reform (1960s, 70s and 80s), specifically the long-dead pedophile movement, died away because of a combination of factors. Clearly, the 1980s pedophile movement failed to adequately position itself as a suitable progressive movement for that point in time. However, it is in fact doubtful that there was at that time, any scope for pedophiles or similar movements to make considerable progress. Certainly, the fact that today's elite, "pro victim" bureaucrats - at the time just another progressive movement, sided more with protectionism and antisexualism, presented our forefathers with a near-impossible feat. Add to this the inevitable anti-erotic posturing on HIV-AIDS, cynical, government-exacerbated gay schism, previously unseen generation of wealth and government funding for the emerging "victim-offender" psychiatric and prison-industrial complexes, and it is unsurprising that under such circumstances, failure was the only option.

Whilst this can only serve to highlight the importance of knowing exactly why past movements were bound to fail, we should not neglect to critically analyse our own agenda. Ironically, one legitimate source of criticism comes from the [http://newgon.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=864 gay movement of the 1970s]. In reply to [[Thomas O'Carroll]], a well known pedophile trend-setter, Jamie Gough of the GayLeft collective asserted that "the starting point for the discussion should be a historical materialist analysis of the social oppression of children, and of its contradictions; and the perspective that this opens up for the liberation of children." O'Carroll is criticised for his naturalistic conception of childhood: "I think that this is simply the conventional view, which is at the centre of the oppression of children, that children do not and cannot know their own minds. The point here is not at all to understate the social power of adults to manipulate children. But precisely because that power is social, it has
cracks in it." In this spirit, it will be advisable for future movements to emphasize the similarities between old and young as well as the differences, settling for nothing less than equal rights in what are admittedly (and by no means atypically) unequal relationships. By emphasizing inequalities and set-in-stone chronological roles, the O'Carroll's and [[David Riegel|Riegel's]] of this world leave themselves open to anti-oppression critiques - the very bread and butter of the new social movements they should be aiming to emulate.

'''Present opportunities'''

As already mentioned, there exist a number of well-regarded political movements that we can ''discreetly'' influence. Although they do not openly admit it, our influence will be vital to their long-term survival and development. And with power and connections of the kind we have not seen for decades, these groups are offering us a free ride, with minimal concessions in the long-run.

''1. RSO Activism and the Family''.

"Registered Sex Offender Activism" is a growing movement that incorporates local groups of RSOs, their families and unregistered individuals who wish to abolish any form of restriction (registry or order) that distinguishes sex offenders from other classes of criminal. Central to the ''legitimacy'' and acceptability of such groups is the fact that they do not ''currently'' ask for laws against "sexual acts" to be abolished, as they have more pressing concerns in the form of basic rights violations. Overturning these undeniably harsh laws is the primary aim of RSO groups because they represent a lesser challenge that is ''preliminary'' to the reform of laws against sexual expression.

Central to the RSO movement are the families of Registered Sex Offenders, often cited as the unintended victims. However much some may dislike the nuclear family, no one is likely to lose an argument if their point of view serves its integrity.

''2. Youth Rights Movement''.

"Youth Rights" is another small but growing movement that is critically distinguished from child advocacy by its focus on enrichment primarily by emancipation instead of protection. Whilst historical examples include suffrage campaigns, the American movement's organisational history arguably began with the internet-based ''Americans for a Society Free of Age Restrictions'' (ASFAR), which gave birth to the now more active ''National Youth Rights Association'' (NYRA), which has a relatively large membership and conducts campaigns "in-real-life". Whilst unlike ASFAR, NYRA refuses to take a stand on the [[Age of Consent]], discussions among the group's membership indicate that nearly all of its members are pro-reform, with abolitionists well represented and not at all ostracised.

''3. Sexual Minorities''.

There exist many single issue sexual minority campaigns, which have either been rejected by gay culture or have sprung up independently. These groups have failed to co-operate with others, and will need to agree on a joint ethical philosophy if they are to attain an effective mass and appear less concerned with just their own fringe interests. Such groups, although largely ignorant of the factors that conspire against all sexual minorities, will need to converge in at least some form (for example, the Dutch [[NVSH]]) to be seen as something other than individual crank lobbies. Whilst this may not initially bear fruit, it will at least form the basis for a sustainable and effective social movement, and we should where possible, be there to help unite these forces and draw up the new philosophies.

''4. Anti-Psychiatry and Anti-Victimology''.

Anti-Psychiatry is a movement that incorporates many individuals who suffered from the mental health industry, in conjunction with psychiatrists such as Thomas Szasz, who wish to remove so-called mental illnesses from diagnostic manuals, where they fuel big pharma, legitimise electric shock treatments, etc. One of the core ideas is the fact that the DSM empathizes social norms, in effect medicalising morality. With help, Anti-Psychiatrists will be better equipped to campaign for the removal of paraphilias including pedophilia from the DSM and perhaps make institutes like [[Coalinga State Hospital]] obsolete.

Anti-Victimology - recognised this day as a narrow stream of academic thought in opposition to the "social science policing" of [[David Finkelhor|Finkelhor]]/[[Diana Russell|Russell]] type victimologists and the abuse-lit industry, is gaining wider acceptance, even among some feminists. Its key proponent in the area of adult-minor sexuality is Dr [[Bruce Rind]], a Philadelphia-based psychologist and statistician who has carried out studies on long-forgotten data, using his conclusions to argue against the assumption of [[intrinsic harm]].

Both of these spheres have the potential to be mainstreamed in the spirit of other once fringe academic arguments.

''5. Libertarianism and advocates for the Smaller State''.

Every establishment, it appears, has its chosen scapegoats. And for as long as this remains the case, said scapegoat groups will have a vested interest in discrediting and downsizing the political establishment. To this end, many despised social groups have chosen Libertarians and Anarchists as allies, working from the general premises of the state as at best a liberating force, thru necessary and even unnecessary evils. With an aim of reducing establishment powers, Libertarianism is an automatic ally of all the above mentioned groups. And as centre-right opposition to police-surveillance culture in the UK is showing, the relationship between minority groups their traditional allies is by no means straightforward.

'''Co-operation: When and why?'''

Initially, our associations with other groups need not be declared. At the same time, it would be foolish to ''force'', or more accurately ''fail to force'' the assimilation of such groups into a single body. With friendly contact and co-operation between potential allies, what integration we do need will come about ''naturally'' as a result of shared interests and new, intermediate initiatives. The only "should" for explorers of other political groups is that there should be no "shoulds" as to how the groups co-operate and integrate with one another.

What can not be doubted is that all of the groups listed above will eventually need support from others to continue their progress. For example, when sex offender law reform groups have accomplished their preliminary aims of liberalising supervision statutes and punishments, how will they survive, and what for? At said point in their development, it will be time for the RSO groups to address the underlying issues of stereotyping, scapegoating and antisexualism that have seen little (but critically, ''some'') attention from the leaders of RSO activism. For this, the groups will need new philosophies, new members and a new consensus to expand their operations and achieve their secondary aims.

Regardless of our potential allies' main aims, by influencing them at an early stage, we not only establish common cause but increase awareness of our issues, helping to smooth structural and ideological changes. Ultimately, this will be to the benefit of our (eventual) social-political movement and the wider lobby for human freedoms.

==State of the movement==

There has been little offline activism since the last issue. Online, however, development of a new [[Minor-attracted person|MAP]]-oriented social networking website is underway. This site aims to bring a more personal touch that tends to be lacking on the fora, and seeks to supplement the communities, providing members with the ability to profile and blog freely within the bounds of legality. Also, the flag project is still being worked on despite long delays. With these two projects, the fragmented communities will be more unified and the MAP identity strengthened.

In an important decision for activists, self-proclaimed Dutch "pedophile-hunter", Yvonne van Hertum, was convicted by a court in the Netherlands for libel. (See [[#This 3 months in anti-pedophilia|This 3 months in anti-pedophilia]] below.) However, those in the community remain under attack, as evidenced by the infiltration of popular website Boylover.net, a revelation which emerged when screencaps of the site's administrative board were circulated on an anti-pedophile site. It is to be hoped that the van Hertum conviction will serve as a useful precedent in future cases.

Meanwhile, Michael Melsheimer of B4U-Act (http://www.b4uact.org/) has struck back against notorious anti-pedophile organization Perverted Justice, using US mandatory tax reporting requirements to request information on the organization's structure and charitable status. (See [http://boychat.org/messages/1162409.htm BC:1162409] and [http://boychat.org/messages/1165691.htm BC:1165691].)

B4U-Act have themselves just issued a summary statement on their Spring 2009 Workshop - a meeting between 4 Minor-Attracted Persons (MAPs) and 17 mental health professionals, to discuss the needs and goals of MAPs entering into therapeutic relationships: [http://annabelleigh.net/messages/469588.htm GC:469588]. The Editors note that B4U-Act have ''not'', to date, adopted a public position on the question of de-pathologizing pedophilia as a 'mental disorder' or on its removal from the DSM.

===Academia===
[[Image:Janssen0.jpg|thumb|right|Diederik Janssen presented "Sexualities—Consentualities: Cross-Cultural Aspects."]]
The academic community has seen a flurry of anti-victimological activity over the past few months, mostly from familiar names.

In "The Social, Political, and Legal Construction of the Concept of Child Pornography," (''Journal of Homosexuality'', 2009; [http://pastebin.com/f7174d41a full text]) [[Harris Mirkin]] advocates for the legalization of child pornography possession on free speech grounds, refuting all of the standard arguments for its criminalization.

Another subversive paper by Spanish sexologist [[Agustín Malón]] awaits publication in ''Archives of Sexual Behavior''. The paper, "Onanism and Child Sexual Abuse: A Comparative Study of Two Hypotheses," ([http://pastebin.com/f48eda7a8 full text]) draws parallels between the moral panic over masturbation and the modern sexual abuse hysteria.

At the 2009 ''[http://www.inter-disciplinary.net/critical-issues/transformations/good-sex-bad-sex-sex-law-crime-and-ethics/conference-programme-abstracts-and-papers/ Good Sex, Bad Sex]'' conference, which took place between the 4th and 6th of May in Budapest, academics -- including [[Bruce Rind]] and [[Diederik Janssen]] -- debated the ethics of intergenerational sex and the age-of-consent. [[David White]]'s presentation, "Adult-Child Sexual Activity: Why It's Wrong & Morally Required Responses," rejected moral condemnations based on [[intrinsic harm]], [[informed consent]], and [[bonding theory]]. Instead, White argued that a "universal moral prohibition" of adult-child sex is justified only by the issue of [[Secondary Harm|secondary harm]], and that the morally required response to this issue is, among other things, a realization that adult-child sexual contacts are generally harmless. [[Richard Yuill]] responded to White.

The papers of [http://www.inter-disciplinary.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/gsbs1rind.pdf Bruce Rind] and [http://www.inter-disciplinary.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/gsbs1hubbard.pdf Thomas Hubbard] are posted in full on the conference website. The other papers are expected to be made available in the near future.

Additionally, [[Ray Blanchard]]'s suggestion that [[hebephilia]] be pathologized was met with a number of encouraging protests -- see [[#BoyChat|below]]. In his reply, [[Philip Tromovitch]] noted that pedophilia "appears to have entered the DSM as a "mental disorder" without any scientific or rational basis."

===Newgon.com===

Newgon.com has recently appointed a new administrator, [[Pantheadoros]]. A number of new members have signed up for the forum - some of them, well known veterans of other boards. In May, the forum rules were changed to combat a mini-epidemic of trivia threads and duplicate accounts.

On NewgonWiki, a new logo has been developed, user rights have been standardised to sysop and a French language translation of some of our content is underway thanks to a volunteer.

Administrators resolved to be [http://newgon.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=948 open] when it comes to linking this site on other forums. Indeed, we have been sympathetically linked at picture-sharing sites and [[Anontalk.com]] - a site that hosts many debates on our issues.

Finally, daily visiting figures have stabilised in the high 300s, well above the 300-averages of last year.

==News Digest==
News in the last three months shows a continuing increase in the attempt to impose Western 'cultural values' on non-Western parts of the world. Unsurprisingly, it is evident that the UK is also becoming ever-more authoritarian, while the US is still struggling to protect children from themselves.

===From the US - Sexting, Protectionism, SO Laws===
'''[http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=97115 Next on Senate agenda? 'Pedophile Protection Act']'''
:''"The leader of a pro-family organization says families across the nation need to contact their U.S. senators now to try to derail a legislative plan that already has passed the U.S. House and is being awaited by President Obama – after a Democrat confirmed it would protect "all 547 forms of sexual deviancy or 'paraphilias' listed by the American Psychiatric Association."''
:''WND columnist Janet Porter, who also heads the Faith2Action Christian ministry, today cited S. 909, dubbed the "Pedophile Protection Act," as an extreme danger to America. [...]''
:''The proposal, also called the Matthew Shepard Hate Crimes Prevention Act after a Wyoming homosexual who was killed in a horrific robbery and beating in 1998, creates a special class for homosexuals and others with alternative sexual lifestyles and provides them protections against so-called "hate." [...]''
:''Porter cited the amendment offering from Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa, in committee that was very simple:''
:''"The term sexual orientation as used in this act or any amendments to this act does not include pedophilia."''
:''But majority Democrats refused to accept it.''

'''Sexting'''

The media has maintained an interest in "sexting," prompting some criticism of child pornography laws. [http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29613192/ "Teen 'sexting': Youthful prank or sex crime?"] shows little real change: ''“Kids will be kids, but that doesn’t make them criminals. This problem needs to be solved as a social problem, not a criminal problem,” Walters said.''

[http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09085/958480-85.stm Another case] demonstrates the creativity of the judicial system; instead of jail time or community service, a district attorney attempted to force three girls to take a "re-education" program.

:''As part of the five-week, 10-hour program Mr. Skumanick recommended, girls would "[g]ain an understanding of how [their] actions were wrong," "gain an understanding of what it means to be a girl in today's society," and "[i]dentify non-traditional societal and job roles."''

In [http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/03/judge-bars-da-f/ later developments], the legal director for the ACLU of Pennsylvania argued that the pictures taken of the girls (two of three girls in bras and one with breasts exposed) were not child porn. (Interesting, considering [[Minimodels injustice|Brazil's conception]] of child pornography.)

[http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29912729/ Girl posts nude pics, is charged with kid porn], [http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2009/03/21/MN8A16HHFS.DTL Are lots of teens 'sexting'? Experts doubt it]

'''Sex Offender Laws'''
[[Image:Csh.PNG|thumb|left|[[Coalinga State Hospital]]]]

There have been several positive changes in sex offender laws, though they appear to be more concerned with finding a reasonable "line" for punishment than the effects of any changing perceptions.

The [[Coalinga State Hospital]] for "sexually violent predators" garnered [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/8004064.stm some media attention] in April, when Louis Theroux travelled there to produce the vacuous BBC documentary ''A Place for Paedophiles''.

[http://www.kansas.com/news/crime-courts/story/786659.html Sex offender signs are too harsh], [http://www.cfcoklahoma.org/New_Site/index.php?option=com_fireboard&Itemid=0&func=view&catid=35&id=1370 Sex offender class action lawsuit moves forward], [http://kdka.com/local/Sex.offender.ordinance.2.966154.html Judge Rules Against County Sex Offender Ordinance], [http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2009016971_childporn10m.html High court puts limits on child-porn charges], [http://www.independentmail.com/news/2009/mar/31/revamping-ga-sex-offender-crackdown-limbo/ Revamping of Ga. sex offender crackdown in limbo], [http://edition.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/04/03/scotus.sex.offenders/index.html Court blocks release of sex offenders due out of jail], [http://www.wsav.com/sav/news/state_regional/article/georgia_considers_changes_to_sex_offender_law/10620/ Georgia considers changes to sex offender law], [http://blog.nj.com/njv_guest_blog/2009/02/megans_law_doesnt_work_now_wha.html Megan's Law Doesn't Work. Now What?], [http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,499367,00.html Child Pornographer Must Pay $200G to Woman Photographed as Molested Child]

'''Protectionism'''

"Children's" sensibilities and innocence have continued to be items of much concern. [http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_12147241 Two 5th-graders who viewed porn could face charges], a ten year old walking alone is [http://freerangekids.wordpress.com/2009/03/18/a-mom-lets-her-son-walk-to-soccerand-the-police-come-calling/ intercepted by a police car], and an [http://www.zanesvilletimesrecorder.com/article/20090313/NEWS01/903130301 eleven-year-old girl is charged with rape].

===From the UK - IWF and Illegal Cartoons===
Continuing from the [[Virgin Killer controversies|Virgin Killer controversies]], the Internet Watch Foundation has since received "threats to their safety" and has taken measures to keep its staff safer out of fear.[http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/249612/iwf-staff-threatened-following-wikipedia-scandal.html]

'''[http://www.telegraph.co.uk/scienceandtechnology/technology/technologynews/5105519/Internet-records-to-be-stored-for-a-year.html Internet records to be stored for a year]'''
:''"Details of every email sent and website visited by people in Britain are to be stored for use by the state from tomorrow as part of what campaigners claim is a massive assault on privacy."''
:''Simon Davies, director of Privacy International, said: "I don't think people are aware of the implications of this move. It means that everything we do online or on the phone will be known to the authorities."''

In related news, a new [http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1161108/Fears-airport-chaos-Easter-Government-brings-new-security-holiday.html airport database] is being developed. ''"The database is designed to store records of every passenger entering or leaving the country, including the answers to 21 personal questions that must be provided when buying a ticket."''

'''[http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/03/17/cartoon_badness Put down your pens: Cartoons next on censor block]'''
:''"Proposals to make it a criminal offence to possess cartoons depicting certain forms of child abuse are heading back to the House of Commons, and elsewhere in the UK and across the atlantic, it's becoming clear there is an appetite in certain quarters for a much wider clampdown on freedom of expression.'' [[Image:Bettyboop.jpg|thumb|[http://www.comicbookalliance.org.uk/ The Comic Book Alliance] is fighting to keep comics protected]]

:''In the UK, debate on the cartoon law – ss49-55 of the Coroners and Justice Bill – took place a week ago. The bill, as it stands, would make it a criminal offence to possess (cartoon) pictures of children participating in sexual activities, or present whilst sexual activity took place. We did ask the Ministry for Justice whether this meant same frame, same page or even same story, but to date we have received no answer.''

:''Shadow Minister for Justice Edward Garnier MP put forward what looked suspiciously like a wrecking amendment, proposing that the law focus on the publication or distribution of such material, rather than mere possession of it. As a QC, he is almost certainly aware that such actions may well already be covered by the Obscene Publications Act."''

[http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05/11/police_unlawful_warrants/ Judges rap police over raid on paedo expert (Jim Bates)], [http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8022861.stm Are there women paedophiles?], [http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/latestnews/New-law-to-unmask-child.5230946.jp Scotland: New law to unmask child sex offenders], [http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/97803/Child-abuse-images-getting-worse- Child abuse images 'getting worse'], [http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/04/07/bt_cp_figures/ BT blocks up to 40,000 child porn pages per day], [http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2009/0327/1224243552402.html Electronic tags on sex offenders now likely], [http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/03/25/polygraph_trial/ Sex crime 'lie detector' pilot could prompt wider use], [http://www.telegraph.co.uk/scienceandtechnology/technology/google/5032900/Google-removes-picture-of-naked-child-from-Street-View.html Google removes picture of naked child from Street View], [http://www.christian.org.uk/news/20090319/scotland-drops-plans-to-legalise-teenage-oral-sex/ Scotland drops plans to legalise teenage oral sex], [http://www.expertreviews.co.uk/news/249655/home-office-clueless-over-its-own-antichild-porn-measures.html Home Office clueless over its own anti-child porn measures], [http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/labour/4949555/Harriet-Harman-under-attack-over-bid-to-water-down-child-pornography-law.html Harriet Harman under attack over bid to water down child pornography law]

===From Canada - SO Registry===
'''[http://www.nationalpost.com/todays-paper/story.html?id=1522185 Sex-Offender Registry Not Solved One Crime: Police]'''
:''"Canada's national sex-offender registry, created almost five years ago to enable police to track offenders after they leave jail, has not been responsible for solving a single sex crime, police say. A House of Commons committee heard yesterday that the database -- which keeps tabs on where offenders live and what they look like -- is failing to live up to expectations because it does not contain enough names or enough pertinent information to make a difference in investigating new crimes."''

'''[http://www.mcgilldaily.com/blog/1829/entry/19136-does-the-sex-offender-registry Does the Sex Offender Registry Offend Justice?]'''
:''"Our society is full of advocates: advocates for the poor, advocates for the homeless, advocates for minorities. But where are the advocates for the sex offenders?''
:''That’s a question that Dustin Shiers, a 20-year-old Saskatoon resident, may be asking himself right now. He was sentenced to a year in prison after downloading and sharing child pornography, and he is now waiting for a decision on whether his name will be added to a registry for sex offenders. Shiers was evaluated by a psychologist and scored very low on various intellectual tests, which is one factor that might convince the judge to leave him off the registry. But I’d like to take a slightly different approach.''
:''Last summer, at a philosophy conference, I attended a lecture on this issue by University of Alabama psychology professor Christopher Robinson. Among other things, he argued that the sex offender registry represents an arbitrary, double punishment of sex criminals and is applicable to too many offenses. For example, depending on the area, “sex offenders” can also include those guilty of streaking, burglary, surveillance, and kidnapping. Also, the fact that we register sex offenders but not, say, murderers, doesn’t make much sense. It might be explained by the strange taboo in society regarding sex, but that doesn’t make it any less irrational."''

Manitoba has become the first province in Canada to make it mandatory that anyone who suspects child pornography online, in books, photographs and other audio and visual material must immediately report it.[http://www2.canada.com/news/national/manitoba+first+province+make+child+porn+reporting+mandatory/1499899/story.html?id=1499899]

[http://www.thestarphoenix.com/news/Child+porn+addicts+live+shadows/1571295/story.html Child porn addicts live in shadows], [http://dailygleaner.canadaeast.com/front/article/654391&p=1 Offender: People should be able to view child porn]

===From Germany - CP crackdowns===
'''[http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,4185666,00.html Major German online companies agree to block child porn websites]'''
:''"German internet providers have grudgingly agreed to block websites containing child pornography. Critics say their deal with the government won't make much of a difference. [...] Notably absent in the agreement are 1&1, Freenet and other internet providers who service the remaining 25 percent of the German market. They say they do not want to take the risk of breaching the telecommunications secrecy law by blocking child pornography sites. They also argue that they only provide the technical capacity to distribute information and are not responsible for content that flows through their networks.''
:''Limiting access to information is a sensitive subject in Germany because of its Nazi past and East German Communist rule, but von der Leyen said protecting children was the priority.''
:''"The vulnerability and dignity of children is more important than mass communication," the family minister said. [...]''
:''"The new rules mean gaining access to child pornography will become more difficult, but it won't stop material from being published," says Otto Vollmers, who represents FSM, a German industry organization that advocates voluntary self-control of the internet. "Making access technically more difficult can actually arouse greater interest.""''

[http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8003129.stm Germany breaks up child porn ring], [http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/03/wikileaks-domai/ German Cops Raid Home of Wikileaks and Tor Volunteer]

===From Sweden===
'''[http://www.thelocal.se/18704/20090406/ Swedish national library reported for child porn]'''
:''"The Swedish national library will on Monday afternoon be reported to the police for the possession and distribution of child pornography.''
:''The existence of the National Library's collection of child pornography emerged after a visit by the writer Valentin Bart in November 2008. Bart, who spent a year working in a pornographic book shop in central Stockholm in the 1970s, told The Local that he wanted to see if the law which requires the library to archive a copy of everything printed in Sweden, also applied to child pornography. He found that not only did the library hold large quantities of pornography, featuring children as young as 10-years-old, but access to the material was straightforward.''
:''"All I did was sign up to check out books and send a letter explaining my reasons for wanting to view the material. Anyone could have done the same thing," Bart told The Local.
:''The large collection at the library was built up in the years between 1971, when the possession, distribution and display of child pornography was legalized in Sweden, and 1980, when the law was repealed.'' [...]
:''"One can also say, that we all know what a child's body looks like naked and we all know what sex is. Do we really need to view the pictures to learn about this," Holmberg added.''
:''Valentin Bart also pointed out the sensitive issue of the National Library - which is called 'Kungliga Biblioteket' or 'Royal Library' in Swedish - holding material that directly challenges the work of ECPAT - an international charity working against the exploitation of children, and whose patron is Queen Silvia.''

===From Jamaica, Panama, Philippines, Ghana, Japan - Imperialism===
'''Westernized Legislation'''

An imperialistic trend has been on the rise, with increased pressure on less hysterical countries (mostly in the global south) to enact more extreme legislation. A new [http://www.jis.gov.jm/justice/html/20090415T000000-0500_19214_JIS_PORNOGRAPHY_PREVENTION_BILL_FOR_PARLIAMENT.asp bill in Jamaica] would not only criminalize child pornography, but ''"anything that advocates using children for sexual activities,"'' including audio recordings.

Panama has recently come under criticism as well:
'''[http://www.laestrella.com.pa/mensual/2009/05/12/contenido/97738.asp Sexual crimes against children]'''
:''"Only 50 percent of Panamanians will tell the authorities that a minor has been sexually exploited by an adult according to a joint study of the International Labor Organization (ILO) and the International Program for the Eradication of Children Labor.''

:''The report also showed that only 20 percent of the population will do anything in the case of a commercial sexual transaction, which demonstrates a lack of social conscience among Panamanians.''
:''The study was conducted in seven different countries in Latin America: Guatemala, El Salvador, Honduras, Nicaragua, Costa Rica, Dominican Republic and Panama.''

:''It demonstrated that the main reason for the proliferation of sexually exploited minors is poverty, lack of education and family values.''

:''One of the most shocking findings is that the number of people denouncing criminals who commit sexual crimes against children has diminished over the last four years."''

[http://www.gmanews.tv/story/156666/Bill-vs-Hentai-close-to-becoming-law-in-RP Bill vs 'hentai' close to becoming law (Philippines)], [http://www.buzzle.com/articles/268545.html Japan under pressure to clamp down on child pornography]

'''Westernized Media'''

Countries in the global south are beginning to report events in a similar manner to the west:

'''[http://www.jamaica-star.com/thestar/20090306/news/news1.html KIDS' 'SEX PARTY' CRASHED - 8 naked primary students caught starting freaky act (Jamaica)]

:''"Eight Westmoreland kids, aged 10 and under, were recently prevented from being involved in an orgy when they were caught by a resident.''
:''THE WEEKEND STAR first heard rumours of the tale, but checks with the police proved it was more than just that.''
:Inspector Cassius Lennox of the Area One police admitted knowing of the episode. "It's not like they are criminals but they are definitely some rude kids. We wouldn't have a police report for that but it did happen," he said. "It was a group of young kids too, none passed 10 ... . Five of them were nine and the others were 10."''
:''Reports are that the incident occurred almost two weeks ago and involved eight primary-school children (four boys and four girls), who planned a secret rendezvous to have sex. [...] The police said the kids were questioned and it was found that they had been planning the event for quite some time.''
:''But that's not all, they were pretty much prepared to embark on their sexual plans as the boys all had condoms in their pockets and one of the girls was found with a pornographic magazine.''
:''The kids are reported to have said that they were going to try the things they had seen in the magazine.''
:''Inspector Lennox told THE WEEKEND STAR that the kids' parents were alerted and urged to seek counselling for them.''
:''"You could tell the parents were ashamed, they even tried to scold them right there but we intervened," he said."''

'''[http://www.peacefmonline.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=21234:beware-pedophiles-all-over&catid=1:latest&Itemid=18 Beware: Pedophiles All Over]'''
:''"The number of defilement cases in Ghana appears to be increasing, with a reported incident of forced sexual intercourse with a minor appearing almost daily in the media. Experts say the rampant cases of defilement across the country could pass as pedophilia, when assessed which is being disguised as defilement. The Acting Chief Psychiatrist of the Accra Psychiatric Hospital, Dr. Akwasi Osei told Public Agenda that although pedophilia is against the law in Ghana, it is not treated as such; instead it is treated as defilement.''

:''If we really realize that some of these people are actually pedophiles, then the first point of call should be somebody requiring psychiatric treatment, Dr. Osei emphasized."''

==Letters to the Editor==

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==On the forums==

===[[BoyChat]]===

*'''[http://boychat.org/messages/1160314.htm "Researchers" advocate pathologizing hebephilia]''' by [[Richard Kramer]].

:''"Abstract: The term pedophilia denotes the erotic preference for prepubescent children. The term hebephilia has been proposed to denote the erotic preference for pubescent children (roughly, ages 11 or 12–14), but it has not become widely used. The present study sought to validate the concept of hebephilia by examining the agreement between self-reported sexual interests and objectively recorded penile responses in the laboratory. The participants were 881 men who were referred for clinical assessment because of paraphilic, criminal, or otherwise problematic sexual behavior. Within-group comparisons showed that men who verbally reported maximum sexual attraction to pubescent children had greater penile responses to depictions of pubescent children than to depictions of younger or older persons. Between-groups comparisons showed that penile responding distinguished such men from those who reported maximum attraction to prepubescent children and from those who reported maximum attraction to fully grown persons. These results indicated that hebephilia exists as a discriminable erotic age-preference. The authors recommend various ways in which the DSM might be altered to accommodate the present findings. One possibility would be to replace the diagnosis of Pedophilia with Pedohebephilia and allow the clinician to specify one of three subtypes: Sexually Attracted to Children Younger than 11 (Pedophilic Type), Sexually Attracted to Children Age 11–14 (Hebephilic Type), or Sexually Attracted to Both (Pedohebephilic Type). We further recommend that the DSM-V encourage users to record the typical age of children who most attract the patient sexually as well as the gender of children who most attract the patient sexually."''

:Critical responses from professionals and BC included.

*'''[http://boychat.org/messages/1162109.htm Sexual abuse of children... pandemic proportions..]''' by Newshound.

:Part of a response by '''[http://boychat.org/messages/1162118.htm Enochian]''':

:''"Half of all American parents beat their children at least twice a week. In all US states, parents enjoy legal immunity for assaulting their children, with the standard for physical abuse being either "serious injury" or "deadly force." In 21 states, schools can beat children with boards, with teachers enjoying total legal immunity even when children are beaten black and blue. 80% of American children have been the victims of legal parental assault by the time they're 18.''

:''Where's the outrage there?."''

===GirlChat===

*'''[http://annabelleigh.net/messages/468850.htm Allies]''' by headwind:

:''"Defenses of childhood sexuality and pedophilia hide in the damndest places. Take, for instance, French feminist thought. The stuff is often very obscure or abstract. But here and there is a dim light... Beauvoir slept with students and signed a petition calling for the abolition of the age of consent; Foucault was going to write a book on childhood sexuality and signed that same petition; leading up to the general strike in 1968 in France, Reich's La Lutte Sexuelle des Jeuenes (Sexual Struggle of the Youth) was widely read.''

:''Or in leftist thought - Trotsky argued that the Russian Revolution could be judged by the freedom of youth. In Summerhill, the libertarian school in England, A.S. Neill wrote that he would have given teens birth control if it hadn't been for the fact that the government would have shut the school down. Anarchists and Trotskyists in the United States have written here and there a tiny bit in defense of teen (but not so much child) sexuality. Hell, there's even a report out by Human Rights Watch which accepts nearly every stupid assumption about sex offenders but argues that current punishments are unethical.''

:(...)

:''I also realize that much of the above is not immediately useful and has already been discussed by others. True, we must develop broad tactics. But how does knowing this help? The handful of people on this forum are powerless; all we can do for now is subsist."''

==This 3 months in anti-pedophilia==

[[Image:AZU.jpg|thumb|left|"Stop these predatory criminals!"]][[Image:Hertum.jpg|thumb|left|"But my [[Yvonne van Hertum|career]] must go on! Hail ze pedojaagster!"]][[Perverted Justice]] could almost be described as a sympathiser now. Why else would they choose to celebrate [[Alice Day]] by increasing teh number of evil peedos on the internet by a handsome figure in a stage-managed mass-expose? As with so many of these sites, direct links to [[Wikisposure]] are discouraged. In summary, some people's prurient "outrage" knows no bounds.

===NAMbLA false flagging===

In March, [[NAMbLA]] were accused by the New York Post and MSNBC of putting a $10,000 bounty on the head of Attorney General [[Andrew Cuomo]]. This followed an anonymous posting on usenet, made by someone claiming to represent NAMbLA, whilst advertising "$10,000 to shoot Andrew Cuomo in the face!". Apparently unaware or ignorant of the fact that such claims are made frequently, and in similar mocking-tones on newsgroups, where NAMbLA is the butt of numerous jokes, American authorities used this threat as the launchpad for a criminal investigation, inspiring [[Yellow journalism|gutter press]] journalists to defame a virtually defunct and cash-strapped organisation that would have been able to sue against such claims if it had $10,000 at its disposal. [http://www.nypost.com/seven/03092009/news/columnists/perv_group_puts_10g_hit_on_andy_158663.htm][http://www.edgeboston.com/index.php?ch=news&sc=&sc2=news&sc3=&id=88255][http://www.nypost.com/seven/03102009/news/regionalnews/probe_fails_to_keep_price_off_cuomos_hea_158910.htm][http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29593394]

But it's all for the children, of course.

===Yvonne van Hertum sentenced===
A court of appeals upheld the conviction of notorious Dutch "pedophile hunter" [[Yvonne van Hertum]] in May. The court converted her previous sentence of 60 hours community service to two-months jail time, plus two months of probation. Van Hertum had libelously accused a man of erotic chats with a minor, posting his name and photo to her website. She plans to appeal. [http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2009/05/paedophile_hunter_jailed_for_f.php][http://www.radionetherlands.nl/news/zijlijn/6293070/Antipaedophilia-activist-convicted-of-libel][http://www.gva.be/nieuws/buitenland/aid829958/celstraf-voor-pedofielenjaagster.aspx]

===Lunsford Foundation closes===
The [[Jessica Marie Lunsford Foundation]] closed in April following reports that [[Mark Lunsford]] was spending foundation funds unethically. [http://www.tampabay.com/news/courts/civil/article435712.ece]

==Links and recommended reading==

*[http://www.inquisition21.com/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&PAGE_id=20&MMN_position=19:17 Notes from another Country] - Excellent e.book on the current situation, with an interesting application of psychoanalysis.

*[http://www.somebodythinkofthechildren.com/ Somebodythinkofthechildren] - Moral panic and internet censorship in Australia.

*[http://www.comicbookalliance.org.uk/ Comic Book Alliance] - A group in the UK, opposed to the Coroners and Justice Bill.

*[http://www.solresearch.org/ SOLResearch] - Burns' research on Sex Offender Laws and their victims.

Nepiophilia

2009-05-16T04:36:07Z

Pantheadoros:

'''Nepiophilia''' (from Greek ''nepio-'', "infant," + ''-philia'', "love") is the erotic attraction to infants or toddlers. The term is commonly used in [[childlove]] communities to distinguish this attraction from an attraction to older prepubescent children (which is called [[pedophilia]]) and adolescents (which is called [[Ephebophilia|ephebophilia or hebephilia]]). The age range nepiophilia covers is generally 0 to 3 years old.

== See also ==
* [[Pedophilia]]
* [[Ephebophilia]]

[[Category:Official Encyclopedia]][[Category:Terminology]][[Category:Terminology: Childlove]]

Ephebophilia

2009-05-16T04:34:26Z

Pantheadoros: /* See also */ Added 'Girllove' to the list and rearranged to make more sense

'''Ephebophilia''' (also called '''hebephilia''') is a sexual preference for adolescents. It is often used to distinguish an attraction to teenagers from an attraction to prepubescent children (described as [[pedophilia]]). A person with such attactions is called an '''ephebophile''' (or '''hebephile''').

== See also ==
*[[Boylove]]
*[[Girllove]]
*[[Pedophilia]]
*[[Pederasty]]

[[Category:Official Encyclopedia]][[Category:Terminology]][[Category:Terminology: Childlove]][[Category:Facts of life]][[Category:Gay]][[Category:Youth]][[Category:Terminology: Academic]]

Talk:Ephebophilia

2009-05-16T04:33:06Z

Pantheadoros: /* Hebephilia Separation */

== Hebephilia Separation ==
I noticed that 'Hebephilia' redirects to this article, and this article mentions that ephebophilia is "also called hebephilia," however the whole description is very boylove oriented. The only mention of it being used for attraction to adolescent girls is "... but may be applied to all adolescents." However, it then goes on to explain how boylove communities use the term to distinguish between attraction to "teenagers" from attraction to "younger, pre-pubescent boys."

I want to make this more gender balanced, so I would either fix up this article to be less boylove oriented, or dedicate this article to attraction to adolescent boys and 'Hebephilia' to attraction to adolescent girls. I personally would lean toward the latter since 'ephebos' refers to adolescent boys while 'hebe' refers to the goddess (female) of youth. What do other editors think about this? --[[User:Pantheadoros|Pantheadoros]] 03:33, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
:I corrected the homosexism. As far as I am aware, no one else actually distinguishes between hebephilia and ephebophilia on gender lines. [[User:Jillium|Jillium]] 04:27, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
::Well, I know Visions of Alice has a board called 'Hebephilia', and my explanation as to why there would be a difference still stands. However, as long as it is balanced, it is better. Thank you. --[[User:Pantheadoros|Pantheadoros]] 04:33, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Nepiophilia

2009-05-16T04:01:40Z

Pantheadoros: New page: '''Nepiophilia''' (from Greek ''nepio-'', "infant," + ''-philia'', "love") is the erotic attraction to infants or toddlers. The term is commonly used in childlove communities to distin...

'''Nepiophilia''' (from Greek ''nepio-'', "infant," + ''-philia'', "love") is the erotic attraction to infants or toddlers. The term is commonly used in [[childlove]] communities to distinguish this attraction from an attraction to older prepubescent children (which is called [[pedophilia]]) and adolescents (which is called [[ephebophilia]] or [[hebephilia]]). The age range nepiophilia covers is generally 0 to 3 years old.

== See also ==
* [[Pedophilia]]
* [[Ephebophilia]]
* [[Hebephilia]]

[[Category:Official Encyclopedia]][[Category:Terminology]][[Category:Terminology: Childlove]]

Talk:Ephebophilia

2009-05-16T03:36:45Z

Pantheadoros: /* Hebephilia Separation */ Blasted typos; this and the last edit were fixing typos in my post

Talk:Ephebophilia

2009-05-16T03:35:06Z

Pantheadoros: /* Hebephilia Separation */

Talk:Ephebophilia

2009-05-16T03:33:48Z

Pantheadoros: Hebephilia Separation

AoA

2009-05-16T03:15:33Z

Pantheadoros: AoA is an abbreviation of Age of Attraction, and so redirects to that page

#REDIRECT [[Age_of_attraction]]

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Adult friend

2009-05-02T09:36:51Z

Pantheadoros:

In a relationship between a [[child]] and a [[childlover]], the childlover is sometimes called an '''adult friend'''. The term carries no sexual connotation.

This term is subject to the same ambiguity that lies around the term [[young friend]], in that the term is used to describe a variety of different relationships, ranging from passing familiarity to strong companionship. Some who consider themselves adult friends feel a desire to actively benefit the child, while others feel no more obligation to a young friend than to any other friend.

Many [[childlover]]s continue to consider themselves a person's adult friend long after he or she is no longer a child. Conversely, a childlover could still be called an adult friend even if he or she has not attained the age of majority where he or she lives.

The term "adult friend" evolved as a play on the terms ''boyfriend'' and ''girlfriend'' and is usually abbreviated as ''AF'' in writing.

== See also ==

*[[Young friend]]
*[[Boylove]]
*[[Girllove]]

[[Category:Official Encyclopedia]] [[Category:Terminology]][[Category:Terminology: Childlove]]

Young friend

2009-05-02T09:30:44Z

Pantheadoros: Further deviating from boylove bias in favour of gender balance

In a relationship between a [[child]] and a [[childlover]], the child is sometimes called a '''young friend'''.

Whilst some reserve the term for the younger friends who are closest to them, ongoing friendship with, and others use it more liberally to describe any child they have contact with. To avoid this ambiguity the variant '''special young friend''' is sometimes used to refer to a close friend. Neither term ''necessarily'' refers to a sexual relationship.

Many childlovers continue to consider a person their young friend long after they have grown into a [[adult]].

The term "young friend" evolved as a play on the terms ''boyfriend'' and ''girlfriend'' and is usually abbreviated as ''yf'' (or ''syf'' for "special young friend") in writing. Online, it has mostly replaced the older terms "boy" and "girl" because many felt the phrases "my boy" and "my girl" sounded more possessive than "my young friend."

== See also ==

*[[Adult friend]]
*[[Boy]]
*[[Girl]]
*[[Boylove]]
*[[Girllove]]

[[Category:Official Encyclopedia]][[Category:Terminology]][[Category:Terminology: Childlove]][[Category:Youth]]

Child advocate

2009-05-02T09:26:41Z

Pantheadoros: Originally biased toward boylove, though applies to all of childlove

A '''child advocate''' (or '''CA''') is, in its original definition, an individual who promotes the interests of children by helping to provide for their growth and protection. This definition is, however, inadequate to explain the current usage of the expression and its connotations among [[childlover|childlovers]].

Part of the difficulty is that the expression "child advocate" is entirely self-adopted -- that is to say, unlike professional terms such as "social worker" or "child psychologist," no certification or documentation of any sort is required for anyone to call themselves a "child advocate". This means that it is very easy for any individuals to call themselves child advocates, even if they have no interest whatsoever in promoting the interest of children or helping to provide for their growth. Thus, any discussion of this term must distinguish between what this expression is purported to mean, and what it seems to indicate in actual practice.

Ostensibly, a child advocate works towards the betterment of children in some specific form. Some may do so by working toward the cause of children's rights. Others may work to protect children from the harm that can arise from abuse. And others may dedicate themselves to arming parents and other important adults in children's lives with information about possible threats to the welfare of their children. In all cases, the goal of these activities is supposedly the best interest of the children. Using the this definition, of course, most childlovers are also child advocates.

Most child advocates, like the rest of society, hold a dim view of childlove and childlovers. The rise of online childlove communities was followed by the rise of a subclass of self-proclaimed "child advocates" who have decided the best interest of children means the eradication of childlovers. These individuals base their actions on sweeping and unfounded generalizations about childlove and the childlove community, such as equating childlovers with child molesters, stating that all childlovers are (or are trying to be) involved in sexual relationships with children, or otherwise assuming that the concept of childlove is in and of itself harmful to children.

Instead of helping children directly, this type of child advocate makes it their goal to fight against childlovers online, sometimes to obsessive extremes. People in the online childlove community are generally familiar with child advocates who engage directly with childlovers by participating in the forums as trolls, or are working tirelessly trying to out childlovers who communicate online or in real life. Childlovers are often warned against this, and urged to be careful in maintaining their anonymity. These child advocates, often humorously referred to as "sadvocates" by some childlovers, are ultimately out to harm childlovers (and sometimes their [[young friend|young friends]] directly or by consequence) in the name of "child advocacy."

==Usage==

In general, it can be assumed that when a childlover uses the term "child advocate," he is most likely referring to the more negative connotation of the term. This usage is so common in the community that when a childlover wishes to refer to the more positive pure definition of the expression, he often has to qualify himself by stating explicitly, "genuine child advocate" or some other affected construct. This should not be taken as a dismissal of the importance of those who are truly advocating the welfare of children, but rather as the unfortunate consequence of the bad name which the trolls and knee-jerk reactionaries have given to all child advocates.

When others (including child advocates themselves) use the term, one cannot assume so readily exactly to whom it refers, and responsible readers will search for other clues from the context (or, often, from the history of the person writing) to make a judgment call as to which connotation we should attach to the term.

In informal usage, especially on the chat forums, this term is often abbreviated "CA" (which should not be confused with El Castillo Azul, a [[Free Spirits]] chat forum in Spanish which is also abbreviated "CA").

[[Category:Official_Encyclopedia]][[Category:Child Advocacy]][[Category:Youth]][[Category:Terminology]][[Category:Terminology: Childlove]][[Category:Terminology: Popular]]

Flag proposal 2009

2009-05-01T18:33:28Z

Pantheadoros: /* Candidates */

<div style="margin-left: 25px; float: right;">__TOC__</div>A flag representing social movement for the understanding of erotic attractions and relationships involving youth and adults is currently being formed. Participants from the BL/GL (CL) communities and allies from non-oriented sites such as Newgon.com will use the flag (and the accompanying symbol, if viable) to spearhead the awareness campaign.

The '''Proposals Stage''' is nearing a conclusion, and the '''Voting Stage''' is next in line.

==Voting==

The submissions we have received are not final ideas, but concepts that will be worked on once they are chosen. In this sense, choosing a concept should be a matter of potential rather than superficial features (colour, finish, etc) of the blueprint. The concept will be chosen by a simple vote held on a number of related forums, with one vote and one reserve (tie-breaker) vote allocated to each registered screen name, and no one individual may vote on two or more different sites.

===Candidates===

These are the concepts which may be voted for. 

{| width="100%" cellspacing="0" border="1" style="table-layout: fixed;"
! width="12%" | Name
! width="25%" | Design
! width="21%" | Description
! width="21%" | Pros
! width="21%" | Cons
|-
|align="center" | '''Abstract'''
|[[Image:Flag_Abs1.jpg|frame|center]]
|Abstract art does not depict objects in the natural world, but instead uses color and form in a non-representational way.
|
* Unique
|
* Not a very simple or easily recognisable concept
* Difficult to reproduce
|-
|align="center" | '''AmaroSymbol'''
|[[Image:Flag_Diamond1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
[[AP]]'s simple design was used extensively on his now offline websites, but rarely elsewhere. A diamond incorporating two equally sized triangles symbolises union between two divided groups of people.
|
* This simple and attractive design is easy to reproduce, and builds upon existing themes.
|
* Lacks symbolism beyond existent social groups
|-
|align="center" | '''CLogo'''
|[[Image:Flag_Butterfly1.jpg|frame|center]]
|The CLogo is a traditional childlove symbol. It depicts a butterfly whose wings are formed by four hearts. Two are larger than the other two representing the adult and the child. Two are pink and the other two blue representing the masculine and feminine.
|
* Symbol widely accepted as associated to childlove and past movements
|
* Already associated with a narrowly defined movement
* Difficult to reproduce
|-
|align="center" | '''Diagonal Stripes'''
|[[Image:Flag_Diagonal2.jpg|frame|center]]
|The tricolor diagonal stripe attempts to represent all aspects of the erotic. The color pink represents the feminine, blue for the masculine, and white both for the purity of these and for all those not included in the two categories of CL expression.
|
* Evolution on the tricolor design, more distinct and original.
* Simple to produce, and not affiliated with any symbolism that may cause conflict.
|
* May be too simple, stale or plain.
|-
|align="center" | '''Dolphin'''
|[[Image:Flag_Dolphin2.jpg|frame|center]]
|The dolphin is typically free spirited and thought to be very happy animals that have fun.
|
* A new and recognisable symbolism that embraces new perspectives.
* [http://nambla.org/dolphins.htm Appropriate], regarding the nature of dolphin-erotics.
|-
|align="center" | '''Five-Pointed Star'''
|[[Image:Flag_StarRibbon1.jpg|frame|center]]
|The golden five-pointed star, a five-pointed star with points of equal length and angles of 36° at each point, is a very common ideogram throughout the (especially Western) world. It could also represent the four cardinal directions plus up (toward the aether).
|
* Simple concept
|-
|align="center" | '''Heart'''
|[[Image:Flag_Heart1.jpg|frame|center]]
|The heart is commonly associated with love, and for a long time has referred to the spiritual, emotional, moral, and intellectual core of the human being.
|
* Easily recognised universally as a sign of love
* Covers love from all beings and in all forms rather than restricting to defined parametres of acceptance
|
* May be too general; not unique to our cause
* The heart may be considered slightly feminine by some and the girllove symbol uses hearts (as opposed to boylove's triangles)
|-
|align="center" | '''Horizontal Stripes'''
|[[Image:Flag_PinkBlueStripes1.jpg|frame|center]]
|The tricolor diagonal stripe attempts to represent all aspects of the erotic. The color pink represents the feminine, blue for the masculine, and white both for the purity of these and for all those not included in the two categories of CL expression. It is oriented horizontally with the aim being versatility.
|
* Great flexibility that allows for integration of almost any extra symbolism
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Human Embrace'''
|[[Image:Flag_HumanEmbrace.jpg|frame|center]]
|The focus of this design is a simple, cross-generational embrace.
|
* Can be interpreted as the beholder sees fit.
|
*Atypical design and production properties for a flag.
|-
|align="center" | '''Phoenix'''
|[[Image:Flag_Phoenix3.jpg|frame|center]]
|The phoenix is a mythical bird who lives up to a thousand years, near the end of which ignites into flames. The remaining ashes form a new, young phoenix, and the cycle goes on. The bird regenerates when wounded by a foe, thus being almost invincible. The tears of the phoenix can also heal a person and make them temporarily immune to death. Applied to the movement, it can be seen as a new era of freedom born from the ashes of the old via burning passion.
|
* Demonstrates the new rising up to replace the old
|
* Not a very simple or easily recognisable concept
* May be difficult to distinguish between phoenix and similar birds such as the eagle (a popular bird on several states' coats of arms)
* Could easily be misinterpretted as the "Chickenhawk" flag
|-
|align="center" | '''Rainbow'''
|[[Image:Flag_Rainbow1.jpg|frame|center]]
|The original Rainbow Flag was designed by the LGBT and has been used to convey one message: "diversity." The rainbow consists of many equal stripes of different colours across the visual spectrum, representing different individuals coming together harmoniously.
|
* Depicts similarity and relation to LGBT
* Buffs the message of "diversity" with more diversity
|
* Consists of many colours, making material production more expensive
* May increase tension between LGBT and our groups unless diplomatic solutions may be reached
* May be confused with LGBT, and not all of us identify as homosexual
|-
|align="center" | '''Rectangles'''
|[[Image:Flag_Rectangles1.jpg|frame|center]]
|A rectangle consists of four 90° angles, representing the four corners of a given space (e.g. the world). A rectangle can be divided equally into two triangles, which have their own symbolism.
|
* Simple concept
* Rectangles may appear stable
|
* Lacks much relevant meaning
* Rectangles may appear rigid
|-
|align="center" | '''Ribbon'''
|[[Image:Flag_Ribbon2.jpg|frame|center]]
|Pieces of ribbon are used as symbols of support or awareness for various social causes and are called "awareness ribbons."
|
* Fits in with other awareness ribbons
|
* Would probably work better as an actual ribbon object than an image on a flag
|-
|align="center" | '''Sea Star'''
|[[Image:Flag_SeaStar13.jpg|frame|center]]
|The starfish symbolises versatility and the replicating power of warmth and mentorship between the generations.
|
* A new and recognisable symbolism that embraces new perspectives
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Spiral'''
|[[Image:Flag_Greek2.jpg|frame|center]]
|A spiral is a curve which emanates from a central point, getting progressively farther away as it revolves around the point. It can symbolise a progressive cycle, evolution and continual change.
|
* Simple concept
|
* May be too simple, stale or plain
|-
|align="center" | '''Star & Stripes'''
|[[Image:Flag_StarAndStripes1.jpg|frame|center]]
|The four-pointed star represents the four cardinal directions; a sense of expansion. The two inner stripes represent masculine and feminine aspects while the outer stripes represent unity of said aspects.
|
* Demonstrates a fine balance of different perspectives
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Stuffed Bears'''
|[[Image:Flag_StuffedBears2.jpg|frame|center]]
|Stuffed bears are an enduring, traditional form of stuffed animal, often serving the purpose of comforting children.
|
* Associates with the comfort and care of children
|
* Not a very simple design for a flag
|-
|align="center" | '''Sun'''
|[[Image:Flag_Sun2.jpg|frame|center]]
|The Sun has long been revered as one of the most important entities in the world. It symbolises hope, power and the light of truth, sometimes being referred to as "the all-seeing."
|
* Simple concept
|
* Not an easily recognisable concept
|-
|align="center" | '''Taijitu'''
|[[Image:Flag_Taijitu.jpg|frame|center]]
|The Taijitu (literally "diagram of the supreme ultimate") is a well known Taoist symbol representing the principle of yin yang - seemingly opposing forces that are interconnected and interdependent in the natural world, giving rise to each other in turn.
|
* Demonstrates harmony between different aspects
|
* May be confused with traditional Taoist symbolism
* May cause the symbol to suffer the same fate as the swastika in the Western world
|-
|align="center" | '''Triangles'''
|[[Image:Flag_Triangles1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
Incorporating the spectrum of colour used to convey diversity, one triangle inside another symbolises inter-generational relationships.
|
* The symbol stands alone and can be easily developed into a flag.
* One possibility is a pennant design with more balance than the image used here.
|
* The symbolism could be seen as excluding, stereotyping and undermining the sexuality of youths.
* The boylove symbol uses triangles (as opposed to girllove's hearts).
|-
|align="center" | '''Vertical Stripes'''
|[[Image:Flag_ThreeStripes1.jpg|frame|center]]
|The vertical stripes attempt to represent all aspects of the erotic. The color pink represents the feminine, blue for the masculine, and white both for the purity of these and for all those who do not identify with a set category of expression.
|
* Simple to produce
|
* May be too simple, stale or plain
* Too similar to the flags of various countries, could lead to mistaken attribution
|}

===Variation Submissions===

Most of the concepts submitted already have two or more possible variations that the organisers will take into account when finalising the design.
<br style="clear: both;" />

<gallery>
Image:Flag_Diamond2.jpg|AmaroSymbol 2
Image:Flag_Diamond3.jpg|AmaroSymbol 3
Image:Flag_Biflag1.jpg|AmaroSymbol 4
Image:Flag_Diagonal1.jpg|Diagonal Stripes 2
Image:Flag_Diagonal3.jpg|Diagonal Stripes 3
Image:Flag_Dolphin1.jpg|Dolphin 2
Image:Flag_HeartCross1.jpg|Heart 2
Image:Flag_Heart3.jpg|Heart 3
Image:Flag_Heart4.jpg|Heart 4
Image:Flag_PinkBlueStripes2.jpg|Horizontal Stripes 2
Image:Flag_PinkBlueStripes2.jpg|Horizontal Stripes 3
Image:Flag_PinkBlueStripes3.jpg|Horizontal Stripes 4
Image:Flag_PinkBlueStripes4.jpg|Horizontal Stripes 5
Image:Flag_Phoenix1.jpg|Phoenix 1
Image:Flag_Phoenix2.jpg|Phoenix 2
Image:Flag_Phoenix3.jpg|Phoenix 3
Image:Flag_Phoenix4.jpg|Phoenix 4
Image:Flag_Phoenix5.jpg|Phoenix 5
Image:Flag_Phoenix6.jpg|Phoenix 6
Image:Flag_Rainbow2.jpg|Rainbow 2
Image:Flag_LGBTRainbowFlag.jpg|Rainbow 3
Image:Flag_Rectangles1.jpg|Rectangles 1
Image:Flag_Rectangles2.jpg|Rectangles 2
Image:Flag_Rectangles3.jpg|Rectangles 3
Image:Flag_Rectangles4.jpg|Rectangles 4
Image:Flag_Sea_Star1.jpg|Sea Star 2
Image:Flag_SeaStar2.jpg|Sea Star 3
Image:Flag_SeaStar3.jpg|Sea Star 4
Image:Flag_SeaStar4.jpg|Sea Star 5
Image:Flag_SeaStar5.jpg|Sea Star 6
Image:Flag_SeaStar6.jpg|Sea Star 7
Image:Flag_SeaStar7.jpg|Sea Star 8
Image:Flag_SeaStar8.jpg|Sea Star 9
Image:Flag_SeaStar9.jpg|Sea Star 10
Image:Flag_SeaStar10.jpg|Sea Star 11
Image:Flag_SeaStar11.jpg|Sea Star 12
Image:Flag_SeaStar12.jpg|Sea Star 13
Image:Flag_SeaStar14.jpg|Sea Star 14
Image:Flag_SeaStar15.jpg|Sea Star 15
Image:Flag_SeaStar16.jpg|Sea Star 16
Image:Flag_SeaStar17.jpg|Sea Star 17
Image:Flag_SeaStar18.jpg|Sea Star 18
Image:Flag_SeaStar19.jpg|Sea Star 19
Image:Flag_SeaStar20.jpg|Sea Star 20
Image:Flag_SeaStar21.jpg|Sea Star 21
Image:Flag_Greek1.jpg|Spiral 2
Image:Flag_StuffedBears1.jpg|Stuffed Bears 2
Image:Flag_StuffedBears3.jpg|Stuffed Bears 3
Image:Flag_Sun1.jpg|Sun 2
Image:Flag_Sun3.jpg|Sun 3
Image:Flag_Taijitu2.jpg|Taijitu 2
Image:Flag_Taijitu3.jpg|Taijitu 3
Image:Flag_Triflag1.jpg|Vertical Stripes 2
</gallery>

==Results==

The following online communities were, or will be consulted at each stage of the process:

*[[Ipce]]. Results:
*[[BoyChat]]. Results:
*[[GirlChat]] (annabelleigh.net). Results:
*[[Visions of Alice]]. Results:
*[[Littleboylover]]. Results:
*[[BoyLover.net]]. Results:
*[[BoyLove International Support Society]]. Results:
*[[BoyMoment]]. Results:

==The future==

'''1.''' It has been suggested that the chosen flag/symbol be used in forming a new website/awareness campaign. This website could act as a community portal, displaying links to websites who add a prominent link to their own site, using an icon developed from the flag. Whilst the homepage would only list websites that champion a political cause, participant communities would still be linked from a second index. The idea is to improve political awareness and participation.

'''1a.''' It has also been suggested that a website as described above would be particularly useful for increasing and sharing media and public liaison with admins of participant sites. It would allow administrators to better understand and organise the discussions taking place within their community and with other parties. It is possible that an invitation-only private forum could be developed for such a purpose.

Flag proposal 2009

2009-05-01T18:23:59Z

Pantheadoros: /* Variation Submissions */

<div style="margin-left: 25px; float: right;">__TOC__</div>A flag representing social movement for the understanding of erotic attractions and relationships involving youth and adults is currently being formed. Participants from the BL/GL (CL) communities and allies from non-oriented sites such as Newgon.com will use the flag (and the accompanying symbol, if viable) to spearhead the awareness campaign.

The '''Proposals Stage''' is nearing a conclusion, and the '''Voting Stage''' is next in line.

==Voting==

The submissions we have received are not final ideas, but concepts that will be worked on once they are chosen. In this sense, choosing a concept should be a matter of potential rather than superficial features (colour, finish, etc) of the blueprint. The concept will be chosen by a simple vote held on a number of related forums, with one vote and one reserve (tie-breaker) vote allocated to each registered screen name, and no one individual may vote on two or more different sites.

===Candidates===

These are the concepts which may be voted for. 

{| width="100%" cellspacing="0" border="1" style="table-layout: fixed;"
! width="12%" | Name
! width="25%" | Design
! width="21%" | Description
! width="21%" | Pros
! width="21%" | Cons
|-
|align="center" | '''Abstract'''
|[[Image:Flag_Abs1.jpg|frame|center]]
|Abstract art does not depict objects in the natural world, but instead uses color and form in a non-representational way.
|
* Unique
|
* Not a very simple or easily recognisable concept
* Difficult to reproduce
|-
|align="center" | '''AmaroSymbol'''
|[[Image:Flag_Diamond1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
[[AP]]'s simple design was used extensively on his now offline websites, but rarely elsewhere. A diamond incorporating two equally sized triangles symbolises union between two divided groups of people.
|
* This simple and attractive design is easy to reproduce, and builds upon existing themes.
|
* Lacks symbolism beyond existent social groups
|-
|align="center" | '''CLogo'''
|[[Image:Flag_Butterfly1.jpg|frame|center]]
|The CLogo is a traditional childlove symbol. It depicts a butterfly whose wings are formed by four hearts. Two are larger than the other two representing the adult and the child. Two are pink and the other two blue representing the masculine and feminine.
|
* Symbol widely accepted as associated to childlove and past movements
|
* Already associated with a narrowly defined movement
* Difficult to reproduce
|-
|align="center" | '''Diagonal Stripes'''
|[[Image:Flag_Diagonal2.jpg|frame|center]]
|The tricolor diagonal stripes attempts to represent all aspects of the erotic. The color pink represents the feminine, blue for the masculine, and white both for the purity of these and for all those not included in the two categories of CL expression.
|
* Evolution on the tricolor design, more distinct and original.
* Simple to produce, and not affiliated with any symbolism that may cause conflict.
|
* May be too simple, stale or plain.
|-
|align="center" | '''Dolphin'''
|[[Image:Flag_Dolphin2.jpg|frame|center]]
|The dolphin is typically free spirited and thought to be very happy animals that have fun.
|
* A new and recognisable symbolism that embraces new perspectives.
* [http://nambla.org/dolphins.htm Appropriate], regarding the nature of dolphin-erotics.
|-
|align="center" | '''Five-Pointed Star'''
|[[Image:Flag_StarRibbon1.jpg|frame|center]]
|The golden five-pointed star, a five-pointed star with points of equal length and angles of 36° at each point, is a very common ideogram throughout the (especially Western) world. It could also represent the four cardinal directions plus up (toward the aether).
|
* Simple concept
|-
|align="center" | '''Heart'''
|[[Image:Flag_Heart1.jpg|frame|center]]
|The heart is commonly associated with love, and for a long time has referred to the spiritual, emotional, moral, and intellectual core of the human being.
|
* Easily recognised universally as a sign of love
* Covers love from all beings and in all forms rather than restricting to defined parametres of acceptance
|
* May be too general; not unique to our cause
* The heart may be considered slightly feminine by some and the girllove symbol uses hearts (as opposed to boylove's triangles)
|-
|align="center" | '''Horizontal Stripes'''
|[[Image:Flag_PinkBlueStripes1.jpg|frame|center]]
|This concept takes the idea of three stripes to cover all perspectives of the erotic, and rotates it to orient horizontally with the aim being flexibility.
|
* Great flexibility that allows for integration of almost any extra symbolism
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Human Embrace'''
|[[Image:Flag_HumanEmbrace.jpg|frame|center]]
|The focus of this design is a simple, cross-generational embrace.
|
* Can be interpreted as the beholder sees fit.
|
*Atypical design and production properties for a flag.
|-
|align="center" | '''Phoenix'''
|[[Image:Flag_Phoenix3.jpg|frame|center]]
|The phoenix is a mythical bird who lives up to a thousand years, near the end of which ignites into flames. The remaining ashes form a new, young phoenix, and the cycle goes on. The bird regenerates when wounded by a foe, thus being almost invincible. The tears of the phoenix can also heal a person and make them temporarily immune to death. Applied to the movement, it can be seen as a new era of freedom born from the ashes of the old via burning passion.
|
* Demonstrates the new rising up to replace the old
|
* Not a very simple or easily recognisable concept
* May be difficult to distinguish between phoenix and similar birds such as the eagle (a popular bird on several states' coats of arms)
* Could easily be misinterpretted as the "Chickenhawk" flag
|-
|align="center" | '''Rainbow'''
|[[Image:Flag_Rainbow1.jpg|frame|center]]
|The original Rainbow Flag was designed by the LGBT and has been used to convey one message: "diversity." The rainbow consists of many equal stripes of different colours across the visual spectrum, representing different individuals coming together harmoniously.
|
* Depicts similarity and relation to LGBT
* Buffs the message of "diversity" with more diversity
|
* Consists of many colours, making material production more expensive
* May increase tension between LGBT and our groups unless diplomatic solutions may be reached
* May be confused with LGBT, and not all of us identify as homosexual
|-
|align="center" | '''Rectangles'''
|[[Image:Flag_Rectangles1.jpg|frame|center]]
|A rectangle consists of four 90° angles, representing the four corners of a given space (e.g. the world). A rectangle can be divided equally into two triangles, which have their own symbolism.
|
* Simple concept
* Rectangles may appear stable
|
* Lacks much relevant meaning
* Rectangles may appear rigid
|-
|align="center" | '''Ribbon'''
|[[Image:Flag_Ribbon2.jpg|frame|center]]
|Pieces of ribbon are used as symbols of support or awareness for various social causes and are called "awareness ribbons."
|
* Fits in with other awareness ribbons
|
* Would probably work better as an actual ribbon object than an image on a flag
|-
|align="center" | '''Sea Star'''
|[[Image:Flag_SeaStar13.jpg|frame|center]]
|The starfish symbolises versatility and the replicating power of warmth and mentorship between the generations.
|
* A new and recognisable symbolism that embraces new perspectives
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Spiral'''
|[[Image:Flag_Greek2.jpg|frame|center]]
|A spiral is a curve which emanates from a central point, getting progressively farther away as it revolves around the point. It can symbolise a progressive cycle, evolution and continual change.
|
* Simple concept
|
* May be too simple, stale or plain
|-
|align="center" | '''Star & Stripes'''
|[[Image:Flag_StarAndStripes1.jpg|frame|center]]
|The four-pointed star represents the four cardinal directions; a sense of expansion. The two inner stripes represent masculine and feminine aspects while the outer stripes represent unity of said aspects.
|
* Demonstrates a fine balance of different perspectives
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Stuffed Bears'''
|[[Image:Flag_StuffedBears2.jpg|frame|center]]
|Stuffed bears are an enduring, traditional form of stuffed animal, often serving the purpose of comforting children.
|
* Associates with the comfort and care of children
|
* Not a very simple design for a flag
|-
|align="center" | '''Sun'''
|[[Image:Flag_Sun2.jpg|frame|center]]
|The Sun has long been revered as one of the most important entities in the world. It symbolises hope, power and the light of truth, sometimes being referred to as "the all-seeing."
|
* Simple concept
|
* Not an easily recognisable concept
|-
|align="center" | '''Taijitu'''
|[[Image:Flag_Taijitu.jpg|frame|center]]
|The Taijitu (literally "diagram of the supreme ultimate") is a well known Taoist symbol representing the principle of yin yang - seemingly opposing forces that are interconnected and interdependent in the natural world, giving rise to each other in turn.
|
* Demonstrates harmony between different aspects
|
* May be confused with traditional Taoist symbolism
* May cause the symbol to suffer the same fate as the swastika in the Western world
|-
|align="center" | '''Triangles'''
|[[Image:Flag_Triangles1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
Incorporating the spectrum of colour used to convey diversity, one triangle inside another symbolises inter-generational relationships.
|
* The symbol stands alone and can be easily developed into a flag.
* One possibility is a pennant design with more balance than the image used here.
|
* The symbolism could be seen as excluding, stereotyping and undermining the sexuality of youths.
* The boylove symbol uses triangles (as opposed to girllove's hearts).
|-
|align="center" | '''Vertical Stripes'''
|[[Image:Flag_ThreeStripes1.jpg|frame|center]]
|The vertical stripes attempt to represent all aspects of the erotic. The color pink represents the feminine, blue for the masculine, and white both for the purity of these and for all those who do not identify with a set category of expression.
|
* Simple to produce
|
* May be too simple, stale or plain
* Too similar to the flags of various countries, could lead to mistaken attribution
|}

===Variation Submissions===

Most of the concepts submitted already have two or more possible variations that the organisers will take into account when finalising the design.
<br style="clear: both;" />

<gallery>
Image:Flag_Diamond2.jpg|AmaroSymbol 2
Image:Flag_Diamond3.jpg|AmaroSymbol 3
Image:Flag_Biflag1.jpg|AmaroSymbol 4
Image:Flag_Diagonal1.jpg|Diagonal Stripes 2
Image:Flag_Diagonal3.jpg|Diagonal Stripes 3
Image:Flag_Dolphin1.jpg|Dolphin 2
Image:Flag_HeartCross1.jpg|Heart 2
Image:Flag_Heart3.jpg|Heart 3
Image:Flag_Heart4.jpg|Heart 4
Image:Flag_PinkBlueStripes2.jpg|Horizontal Stripes 2
Image:Flag_PinkBlueStripes2.jpg|Horizontal Stripes 3
Image:Flag_PinkBlueStripes3.jpg|Horizontal Stripes 4
Image:Flag_PinkBlueStripes4.jpg|Horizontal Stripes 5
Image:Flag_Phoenix1.jpg|Phoenix 1
Image:Flag_Phoenix2.jpg|Phoenix 2
Image:Flag_Phoenix3.jpg|Phoenix 3
Image:Flag_Phoenix4.jpg|Phoenix 4
Image:Flag_Phoenix5.jpg|Phoenix 5
Image:Flag_Phoenix6.jpg|Phoenix 6
Image:Flag_Rainbow2.jpg|Rainbow 2
Image:Flag_LGBTRainbowFlag.jpg|Rainbow 3
Image:Flag_Rectangles1.jpg|Rectangles 1
Image:Flag_Rectangles2.jpg|Rectangles 2
Image:Flag_Rectangles3.jpg|Rectangles 3
Image:Flag_Rectangles4.jpg|Rectangles 4
Image:Flag_Sea_Star1.jpg|Sea Star 2
Image:Flag_SeaStar2.jpg|Sea Star 3
Image:Flag_SeaStar3.jpg|Sea Star 4
Image:Flag_SeaStar4.jpg|Sea Star 5
Image:Flag_SeaStar5.jpg|Sea Star 6
Image:Flag_SeaStar6.jpg|Sea Star 7
Image:Flag_SeaStar7.jpg|Sea Star 8
Image:Flag_SeaStar8.jpg|Sea Star 9
Image:Flag_SeaStar9.jpg|Sea Star 10
Image:Flag_SeaStar10.jpg|Sea Star 11
Image:Flag_SeaStar11.jpg|Sea Star 12
Image:Flag_SeaStar12.jpg|Sea Star 13
Image:Flag_SeaStar14.jpg|Sea Star 14
Image:Flag_SeaStar15.jpg|Sea Star 15
Image:Flag_SeaStar16.jpg|Sea Star 16
Image:Flag_SeaStar17.jpg|Sea Star 17
Image:Flag_SeaStar18.jpg|Sea Star 18
Image:Flag_SeaStar19.jpg|Sea Star 19
Image:Flag_SeaStar20.jpg|Sea Star 20
Image:Flag_SeaStar21.jpg|Sea Star 21
Image:Flag_Greek1.jpg|Spiral 2
Image:Flag_StuffedBears1.jpg|Stuffed Bears 2
Image:Flag_StuffedBears3.jpg|Stuffed Bears 3
Image:Flag_Sun1.jpg|Sun 2
Image:Flag_Sun3.jpg|Sun 3
Image:Flag_Taijitu2.jpg|Taijitu 2
Image:Flag_Taijitu3.jpg|Taijitu 3
Image:Flag_Triflag1.jpg|Vertical Stripes 2
</gallery>

==Results==

The following online communities were, or will be consulted at each stage of the process:

*[[Ipce]]. Results:
*[[BoyChat]]. Results:
*[[GirlChat]] (annabelleigh.net). Results:
*[[Visions of Alice]]. Results:
*[[Littleboylover]]. Results:
*[[BoyLover.net]]. Results:
*[[BoyLove International Support Society]]. Results:
*[[BoyMoment]]. Results:

==The future==

'''1.''' It has been suggested that the chosen flag/symbol be used in forming a new website/awareness campaign. This website could act as a community portal, displaying links to websites who add a prominent link to their own site, using an icon developed from the flag. Whilst the homepage would only list websites that champion a political cause, participant communities would still be linked from a second index. The idea is to improve political awareness and participation.

'''1a.''' It has also been suggested that a website as described above would be particularly useful for increasing and sharing media and public liaison with admins of participant sites. It would allow administrators to better understand and organise the discussions taking place within their community and with other parties. It is possible that an invitation-only private forum could be developed for such a purpose.

Flag proposal 2009

2009-05-01T18:08:50Z

Pantheadoros: /* Candidates */ Added 'Human Embrace' image as on the Newgon Forum thread

<div style="margin-left: 25px; float: right;">__TOC__</div>A flag representing social movement for the understanding of erotic attractions and relationships involving youth and adults is currently being formed. Participants from the BL/GL (CL) communities and allies from non-oriented sites such as Newgon.com will use the flag (and the accompanying symbol, if viable) to spearhead the awareness campaign.

The '''Proposals Stage''' is nearing a conclusion, and the '''Voting Stage''' is next in line.

==Voting==

The submissions we have received are not final ideas, but concepts that will be worked on once they are chosen. In this sense, choosing a concept should be a matter of potential rather than superficial features (colour, finish, etc) of the blueprint. The concept will be chosen by a simple vote held on a number of related forums, with one vote and one reserve (tie-breaker) vote allocated to each registered screen name, and no one individual may vote on two or more different sites.

===Candidates===

These are the concepts which may be voted for. 

{| width="100%" cellspacing="0" border="1" style="table-layout: fixed;"
! width="12%" | Name
! width="25%" | Design
! width="21%" | Description
! width="21%" | Pros
! width="21%" | Cons
|-
|align="center" | '''Abstract'''
|[[Image:Flag_Abs1.jpg|frame|center]]
|Abstract art does not depict objects in the natural world, but instead uses color and form in a non-representational way.
|
* Unique
|
* Not a very simple or easily recognisable concept
* Difficult to reproduce
|-
|align="center" | '''AmaroSymbol'''
|[[Image:Flag_Diamond1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
[[AP]]'s simple design was used extensively on his now offline websites, but rarely elsewhere. A diamond incorporating two equally sized triangles symbolises union between two divided groups of people.
|
* This simple and attractive design is easy to reproduce, and builds upon existing themes.
|
* Lacks symbolism beyond existent social groups
|-
|align="center" | '''CLogo'''
|[[Image:Flag_Butterfly1.jpg|frame|center]]
|The CLogo is a traditional childlove symbol. It depicts a butterfly whose wings are formed by four hearts. Two are larger than the other two representing the adult and the child. Two are pink and the other two blue representing the masculine and feminine.
|
* Symbol widely accepted as associated to childlove and past movements
|
* Already associated with a narrowly defined movement
* Difficult to reproduce
|-
|align="center" | '''Diagonal Stripes'''
|[[Image:Flag_Diagonal2.jpg|frame|center]]
|The tricolor diagonal stripes attempts to represent all aspects of the erotic. The color pink represents the feminine, blue for the masculine, and white both for the purity of these and for all those not included in the two categories of CL expression.
|
* Evolution on the tricolor design, more distinct and original.
* Simple to produce, and not affiliated with any symbolism that may cause conflict.
|
* May be too simple, stale or plain.
|-
|align="center" | '''Dolphin'''
|[[Image:Flag_Dolphin2.jpg|frame|center]]
|The dolphin is typically free spirited and thought to be very happy animals that have fun.
|
* A new and recognisable symbolism that embraces new perspectives.
* [http://nambla.org/dolphins.htm Appropriate], regarding the nature of dolphin-erotics.
|-
|align="center" | '''Five-Pointed Star'''
|[[Image:Flag_StarRibbon1.jpg|frame|center]]
|The golden five-pointed star, a five-pointed star with points of equal length and angles of 36° at each point, is a very common ideogram throughout the (especially Western) world. It could also represent the four cardinal directions plus up (toward the aether).
|
* Simple concept
|-
|align="center" | '''Heart'''
|[[Image:Flag_Heart1.jpg|frame|center]]
|The heart is commonly associated with love, and for a long time has referred to the spiritual, emotional, moral, and intellectual core of the human being.
|
* Easily recognised universally as a sign of love
* Covers love from all beings and in all forms rather than restricting to defined parametres of acceptance
|
* May be too general; not unique to our cause
* The heart may be considered slightly feminine by some and the girllove symbol uses hearts (as opposed to boylove's triangles)
|-
|align="center" | '''Horizontal Stripes'''
|[[Image:Flag_PinkBlueStripes1.jpg|frame|center]]
|This concept takes the idea of three stripes to cover all perspectives of the erotic, and rotates it to orient horizontally with the aim being flexibility.
|
* Great flexibility that allows for integration of almost any extra symbolism
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Human Embrace'''
|[[Image:Flag_HumanEmbrace.jpg|frame|center]]
|The focus of this design is a simple, cross-generational embrace.
|
* Can be interpreted as the beholder sees fit.
|
*Atypical design and production properties for a flag.
|-
|align="center" | '''Phoenix'''
|[[Image:Flag_Phoenix3.jpg|frame|center]]
|The phoenix is a mythical bird who lives up to a thousand years, near the end of which ignites into flames. The remaining ashes form a new, young phoenix, and the cycle goes on. The bird regenerates when wounded by a foe, thus being almost invincible. The tears of the phoenix can also heal a person and make them temporarily immune to death. Applied to the movement, it can be seen as a new era of freedom born from the ashes of the old via burning passion.
|
* Demonstrates the new rising up to replace the old
|
* Not a very simple or easily recognisable concept
* May be difficult to distinguish between phoenix and similar birds such as the eagle (a popular bird on several states' coats of arms)
* Could easily be misinterpretted as the "Chickenhawk" flag
|-
|align="center" | '''Rainbow'''
|[[Image:Flag_Rainbow1.jpg|frame|center]]
|The original Rainbow Flag was designed by the LGBT and has been used to convey one message: "diversity." The rainbow consists of many equal stripes of different colours across the visual spectrum, representing different individuals coming together harmoniously.
|
* Depicts similarity and relation to LGBT
* Buffs the message of "diversity" with more diversity
|
* Consists of many colours, making material production more expensive
* May increase tension between LGBT and our groups unless diplomatic solutions may be reached
* May be confused with LGBT, and not all of us identify as homosexual
|-
|align="center" | '''Rectangles'''
|[[Image:Flag_Rectangles1.jpg|frame|center]]
|A rectangle consists of four 90° angles, representing the four corners of a given space (e.g. the world). A rectangle can be divided equally into two triangles, which have their own symbolism.
|
* Simple concept
* Rectangles may appear stable
|
* Lacks much relevant meaning
* Rectangles may appear rigid
|-
|align="center" | '''Ribbon'''
|[[Image:Flag_Ribbon2.jpg|frame|center]]
|Pieces of ribbon are used as symbols of support or awareness for various social causes and are called "awareness ribbons."
|
* Fits in with other awareness ribbons
|
* Would probably work better as an actual ribbon object than an image on a flag
|-
|align="center" | '''Sea Star'''
|[[Image:Flag_SeaStar13.jpg|frame|center]]
|The starfish symbolises versatility and the replicating power of warmth and mentorship between the generations.
|
* A new and recognisable symbolism that embraces new perspectives
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Spiral'''
|[[Image:Flag_Greek2.jpg|frame|center]]
|A spiral is a curve which emanates from a central point, getting progressively farther away as it revolves around the point. It can symbolise a progressive cycle, evolution and continual change.
|
* Simple concept
|
* May be too simple, stale or plain
|-
|align="center" | '''Star & Stripes'''
|[[Image:Flag_StarAndStripes1.jpg|frame|center]]
|The four-pointed star represents the four cardinal directions; a sense of expansion. The two inner stripes represent masculine and feminine aspects while the outer stripes represent unity of said aspects.
|
* Demonstrates a fine balance of different perspectives
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Stuffed Bears'''
|[[Image:Flag_StuffedBears2.jpg|frame|center]]
|Stuffed bears are an enduring, traditional form of stuffed animal, often serving the purpose of comforting children.
|
* Associates with the comfort and care of children
|
* Not a very simple design for a flag
|-
|align="center" | '''Sun'''
|[[Image:Flag_Sun2.jpg|frame|center]]
|The Sun has long been revered as one of the most important entities in the world. It symbolises hope, power and the light of truth, sometimes being referred to as "the all-seeing."
|
* Simple concept
|
* Not an easily recognisable concept
|-
|align="center" | '''Taijitu'''
|[[Image:Flag_Taijitu.jpg|frame|center]]
|The Taijitu (literally "diagram of the supreme ultimate") is a well known Taoist symbol representing the principle of yin yang - seemingly opposing forces that are interconnected and interdependent in the natural world, giving rise to each other in turn.
|
* Demonstrates harmony between different aspects
|
* May be confused with traditional Taoist symbolism
* May cause the symbol to suffer the same fate as the swastika in the Western world
|-
|align="center" | '''Triangles'''
|[[Image:Flag_Triangles1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
Incorporating the spectrum of colour used to convey diversity, one triangle inside another symbolises inter-generational relationships.
|
* The symbol stands alone and can be easily developed into a flag.
* One possibility is a pennant design with more balance than the image used here.
|
* The symbolism could be seen as excluding, stereotyping and undermining the sexuality of youths.
* The boylove symbol uses triangles (as opposed to girllove's hearts).
|-
|align="center" | '''Vertical Stripes'''
|[[Image:Flag_ThreeStripes1.jpg|frame|center]]
|The vertical stripes attempt to represent all aspects of the erotic. The color pink represents the feminine, blue for the masculine, and white both for the purity of these and for all those who do not identify with a set category of expression.
|
* Simple to produce
|
* May be too simple, stale or plain
* Too similar to the flags of various countries, could lead to mistaken attribution
|}

===Variation Submissions===

Most of the concepts submitted already have two or more possible variations that the organisers will take into account when finalising the design.
<br style="clear: both;" />

<gallery>
Image:Flag_Diamond2.jpg|AmaroSymbol 2
Image:Flag_Diamond3.jpg|AmaroSymbol 3
Image:Flag_Biflag1.jpg|AmaroSymbol 4
Image:Flag_Diagonal1.jpg|Diagonal Stripes 2
Image:Flag_Diagonal3.jpg|Diagonal Stripes 3
Image:Flag_Dolphin1.jpg|Dolphin 2
Image:Flag_HeartCross1.jpg|Heart 2
Image:Flag_Heart3.jpg|Heart 3
Image:Flag_Heart4.jpg|Heart 4
Image:Flag_PinkBlueStripes2.jpg|Horisontal Stripes 2
Image:Flag_PinkBlueStripes2.jpg|Horisontal Stripes 3
Image:Flag_PinkBlueStripes3.jpg|Horisontal Stripes 4
Image:Flag_PinkBlueStripes4.jpg|Horisontal Stripes 5
Image:Flag_Phoenix1.jpg|Phoenix 1
Image:Flag_Phoenix2.jpg|Phoenix 2
Image:Flag_Phoenix3.jpg|Phoenix 3
Image:Flag_Phoenix4.jpg|Phoenix 4
Image:Flag_Phoenix5.jpg|Phoenix 5
Image:Flag_Phoenix6.jpg|Phoenix 6
Image:Flag_Rainbow2.jpg|Rainbow 2
Image:Flag_LGBTRainbowFlag.jpg|Rainbow 3
Image:Flag_Rectangles1.jpg|Rectangles 1
Image:Flag_Rectangles2.jpg|Rectangles 2
Image:Flag_Rectangles3.jpg|Rectangles 3
Image:Flag_Rectangles4.jpg|Rectangles 4
Image:Flag_Sea_Star1.jpg|Sea Star 2
Image:Flag_SeaStar2.jpg|Sea Star 3
Image:Flag_SeaStar3.jpg|Sea Star 4
Image:Flag_SeaStar4.jpg|Sea Star 5
Image:Flag_SeaStar5.jpg|Sea Star 6
Image:Flag_SeaStar6.jpg|Sea Star 7
Image:Flag_SeaStar7.jpg|Sea Star 8
Image:Flag_SeaStar8.jpg|Sea Star 9
Image:Flag_SeaStar9.jpg|Sea Star 10
Image:Flag_SeaStar10.jpg|Sea Star 11
Image:Flag_SeaStar11.jpg|Sea Star 12
Image:Flag_SeaStar12.jpg|Sea Star 13
Image:Flag_SeaStar14.jpg|Sea Star 14
Image:Flag_SeaStar15.jpg|Sea Star 15
Image:Flag_SeaStar16.jpg|Sea Star 16
Image:Flag_SeaStar17.jpg|Sea Star 17
Image:Flag_SeaStar18.jpg|Sea Star 18
Image:Flag_SeaStar19.jpg|Sea Star 19
Image:Flag_SeaStar20.jpg|Sea Star 20
Image:Flag_SeaStar21.jpg|Sea Star 21
Image:Flag_Greek1.jpg|Spiral 2
Image:Flag_StuffedBears1.jpg|Stuffed Bears 2
Image:Flag_StuffedBears3.jpg|Stuffed Bears 3
Image:Flag_Sun1.jpg|Sun 2
Image:Flag_Sun3.jpg|Sun 3
Image:Flag_Taijitu2.jpg|Taijitu 2
Image:Flag_Taijitu3.jpg|Taijitu 3
Image:Flag_Triflag1.jpg|Vertical Stripes 2
</gallery>

==Results==

The following online communities were, or will be consulted at each stage of the process:

*[[Ipce]]. Results:
*[[BoyChat]]. Results:
*[[GirlChat]] (annabelleigh.net). Results:
*[[Visions of Alice]]. Results:
*[[Littleboylover]]. Results:
*[[BoyLover.net]]. Results:
*[[BoyLove International Support Society]]. Results:
*[[BoyMoment]]. Results:

==The future==

'''1.''' It has been suggested that the chosen flag/symbol be used in forming a new website/awareness campaign. This website could act as a community portal, displaying links to websites who add a prominent link to their own site, using an icon developed from the flag. Whilst the homepage would only list websites that champion a political cause, participant communities would still be linked from a second index. The idea is to improve political awareness and participation.

'''1a.''' It has also been suggested that a website as described above would be particularly useful for increasing and sharing media and public liaison with admins of participant sites. It would allow administrators to better understand and organise the discussions taking place within their community and with other parties. It is possible that an invitation-only private forum could be developed for such a purpose.

File:Flag HumanEmbrace.jpg

2009-05-01T18:04:36Z

Pantheadoros:

Flag proposal 2009

2009-05-01T09:29:54Z

Pantheadoros: Added Philist's "Pink Blue Flag" as Horisontal Stripes, and added Horistonal Stripes variations

A flag representing social movement for the understanding of erotic attractions and relationships involving youth and adults is currently being formed. Participants from the BL/GL (CL) communities and allies from non-oriented sites such as Newgon.com will use the flag (and the accompanying symbol, if viable) to spearhead the awareness campaign.

The '''Proposals Stage''' is nearing a conclusion, and the '''Voting Stage''' is next in line.

==Voting==

The submissions we have received are not final ideas, but concepts that will be worked on once they are chosen. In this sense, choosing a concept should be a matter of potential rather than superficial features (colour, finish, etc) of the blueprint. The concept will be chosen by a simple vote held on a number of related forums, with one vote and one reserve (tie-breaker) vote allocated to each registered screen name, and no one individual may vote on two or more different sites.

===Candidates===

These are the concepts which may be voted for. 

{| width="100%" cellspacing="0" border="1" style="table-layout: fixed;"
! width="12%" | Name
! width="25%" | Design
! width="21%" | Description
! width="21%" | Pros
! width="21%" | Cons
|-
|align="center" | '''Abstract'''
|[[Image:Flag_Abs1.jpg|frame|center]]
|Abstract art does not depict objects in the natural world, but instead uses color and form in a non-representational way.
|
* Unique
|
* Not a very simple or easily recognisable concept
* Difficult to reproduce
|-
|align="center" | '''AmaroSymbol'''
|[[Image:Flag_Diamond1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
[[AP]]'s simple design was used extensively on his now offline websites, but rarely elsewhere. A diamond incorporating two equally sized triangles symbolises union between two divided groups of people.
|
* This simple and attractive design is easy to reproduce, and builds upon existing themes.
|
* Lacks symbolism beyond existent social groups
|-
|align="center" | '''CLogo'''
|[[Image:Flag_Butterfly1.jpg|frame|center]]
|The CLogo is a traditional childlove symbol. It depicts a butterfly whose wings are formed by four hearts. Two are larger than the other two representing the adult and the child. Two are pink and the other two blue representing the masculine and feminine.
|
* Symbol widely accepted as associated to childlove and past movements
|
* Already associated with a narrowly defined movement
* Difficult to reproduce
|-
|align="center" | '''Diagonal Stripes'''
|[[Image:Flag_Diagonal2.jpg|frame|center]]
|The tricolor diagonal stripes attempts to represent all aspects of the erotic. The color pink represents the feminine, blue for the masculine, and white both for the purity of these and for all those not included in the two categories of CL expression.
|
* Evolution on the tricolor design, more distinct and original.
* Simple to produce, and not affiliated with any symbolism that may cause conflict.
|
* May be too simple, stale or plain.
|-
|align="center" | '''Dolphin'''
|[[Image:Flag_Dolphin2.jpg|frame|center]]
|The dolphin is typically free spirited and thought to be very happy animals that have fun.
|
* A new and recognisable symbolism that embraces new perspectives
|-
|align="center" | '''Five-Pointed Star'''
|[[Image:Flag_StarRibbon1.jpg|frame|center]]
|The golden five-pointed star, a five-pointed star with points of equal length and angles of 36° at each point, is a very common ideogram throughout the (especially Western) world. It could also represent the four cardinal directions plus up (toward the aether).
|
* Simple concept
|-
|align="center" | '''Heart'''
|[[Image:Flag_Heart1.jpg|frame|center]]
|The heart is commonly associated with love, and for a long time has referred to the spiritual, emotional, moral, and intellectual core of the human being.
|
* Easily recognised universally as a sign of love
* Covers love from all beings and in all forms rather than restricting to defined parametres of acceptance
|
* May be too general; not unique to our cause
* The heart may be considered slightly feminine by some and the girllove symbol uses hearts (as opposed to boylove's triangles)
|-
|align="center" | '''Horisontal Stripes'''
|[[Image:Flag_PinkBlueStripes1.jpg|frame|center]]
|This concept takes the idea of three stripes to cover all perspectives of the erotic, and rotates it to orient horisontally with the aim being flexibility.
|
* Great flexibility that allows for integration of almost any extra symbolism
|

|-
|align="center" | '''Phoenix'''
|[[Image:Flag_Phoenix3.jpg|frame|center]]
|The phoenix is a mythical bird who lives up to a thousand years, near the end of which ignites into flames. The remaining ashes form a new, young phoenix, and the cycle goes on. The bird regenerates when wounded by a foe, thus being almost invincible. The tears of the phoenix can also heal a person and make them temporarily immune to death. Applied to the movement, it can be seen as a new era of freedom born from the ashes of the old via burning passion.
|
* Demonstrates the new rising up to replace the old
|
* Not a very simple or easily recognisable concept
* May be difficult to distinguish between phoenix and similar birds such as the eagle (a popular bird on several states' coats of arms)
* Could easily be misinterpretted as the "Chickenhawk" flag
|-
|align="center" | '''Rainbow'''
|[[Image:Flag_Rainbow1.jpg|frame|center]]
|The original Rainbow Flag was designed by the LGBT and has been used to convey one message: "diversity." The rainbow consists of many equal stripes of different colours across the visual spectrum, representing different individuals coming together harmoniously.
|
* Depicts similarity and relation to LGBT
* Buffs the message of "diversity" with more diversity
|
* Consists of many colours, making material production more expensive
* May increase tension between LGBT and our groups unless diplomatic solutions may be reached
* May be confused with LGBT, and not all of us identify as homosexual
|-
|align="center" | '''Rectangles'''
|[[Image:Flag_Rectangles1.jpg|frame|center]]
|A rectangle consists of four 90° angles, representing the four corners of a given space (e.g. the world). A rectangle can be divided equally into two triangles, which have their own symbolism.
|
* Simple concept
* Rectangles may appear stable
|
* Lacks much relevant meaning
* Rectangles may appear rigid
|-
|align="center" | '''Ribbon'''
|[[Image:Flag_Ribbon2.jpg|frame|center]]
|Pieces of ribbon are used as symbols of support or awareness for various social causes and are called "awareness ribbons."
|
* Fits in with other awareness ribbons
|
* Would probably work better as an actual ribbon object than an image on a flag
|-
|align="center" | '''Sea Star'''
|[[Image:Flag_SeaStar13.jpg|frame|center]]
|The starfish symbolises versatility and the replicating power of warmth and mentorship between the generations.
|
* A new and recognisable symbolism that embraces new perspectives
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Spiral'''
|[[Image:Flag_Greek2.jpg|frame|center]]
|A spiral is a curve which emanates from a central point, getting progressively farther away as it revolves around the point. It can symbolise a progressive cycle, evolution and continual change.
|
* Simple concept
|
* May be too simple, stale or plain
|-
|align="center" | '''Star & Stripes'''
|[[Image:Flag_StarAndStripes1.jpg|frame|center]]
|The four-pointed star represents the four cardinal directions; a sense of expansion. The two inner stripes represent masculine and feminine aspects while the outer stripes represent unity of said aspects.
|
* Demonstrates a fine balance of different perspectives
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Stuffed Bears'''
|[[Image:Flag_StuffedBears2.jpg|frame|center]]
|Stuffed bears are an enduring, traditional form of stuffed animal, often serving the purpose of comforting children.
|
* Associates with the comfort and care of children
|
* Not a very simple design for a flag
|-
|align="center" | '''Sun'''
|[[Image:Flag_Sun2.jpg|frame|center]]
|The Sun has long been revered as one of the most important entities in the world. It symbolises hope, power and the light of truth, sometimes being referred to as "the all-seeing."
|
* Simple concept
|
* Not an easily recognisable concept
|-
|align="center" | '''Taijitu'''
|[[Image:Flag_Taijitu.jpg|frame|center]]
|The Taijitu (literally "diagram of the supreme ultimate") is a well known Taoist symbol representing the principle of yin yang - seemingly opposing forces that are interconnected and interdependent in the natural world, giving rise to each other in turn.
|
* Demonstrates harmony between different aspects
|
* May be confused with traditional Taoist symbolism
* May cause the symbol to suffer the same fate as the swastika in the Western world
|-
|align="center" | '''Triangles'''
|[[Image:Flag_Triangles1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
Incorporating the spectrum of colour used to convey diversity, one triangle inside another symbolises inter-generational relationships.
|
* The symbol stands alone and can be easily developed into a flag.
* One possibility is a pennant design with more balance than the image used here.
|
* The symbolism could be seen as excluding, stereotyping and undermining the sexuality of youths.
* The boylove symbol uses triangles (as opposed to girllove's hearts).
|-
|align="center" | '''Vertical Stripes'''
|[[Image:Flag_ThreeStripes1.jpg|frame|center]]
|The vertical stripes attempt to represent all aspects of the erotic. The color pink represents the feminine, blue for the masculine, and white both for the purity of these and for all those who do not identify with a set category of expression.
|
* Simple to produce
|
* May be too simple, stale or plain
* Too similar to the flags of various countries, could lead to mistaken attribution
|}

===Variation Submissions===

Most of the concepts submitted already have two or more possible variations that the organisers will take into account when finalising the design.
<br style="clear: both;" />

<gallery>
Image:Flag_Diamond2.jpg|AmaroSymbol 2
Image:Flag_Diamond3.jpg|AmaroSymbol 3
Image:Flag_Biflag1.jpg|AmaroSymbol 4
Image:Flag_Diagonal1.jpg|Diagonal Stripes 2
Image:Flag_Diagonal3.jpg|Diagonal Stripes 3
Image:Flag_Dolphin1.jpg|Dolphin 2
Image:Flag_HeartCross1.jpg|Heart 2
Image:Flag_Heart3.jpg|Heart 3
Image:Flag_Heart4.jpg|Heart 4
Image:Flag_PinkBlueStripes2.jpg|Horisontal Stripes 2
Image:Flag_PinkBlueStripes2.jpg|Horisontal Stripes 3
Image:Flag_PinkBlueStripes3.jpg|Horisontal Stripes 4
Image:Flag_PinkBlueStripes4.jpg|Horisontal Stripes 5
Image:Flag_Phoenix1.jpg|Phoenix 1
Image:Flag_Phoenix2.jpg|Phoenix 2
Image:Flag_Phoenix3.jpg|Phoenix 3
Image:Flag_Phoenix4.jpg|Phoenix 4
Image:Flag_Phoenix5.jpg|Phoenix 5
Image:Flag_Phoenix6.jpg|Phoenix 6
Image:Flag_Rainbow2.jpg|Rainbow 2
Image:Flag_LGBTRainbowFlag.jpg|Rainbow 3
Image:Flag_Rectangles1.jpg|Rectangles 1
Image:Flag_Rectangles2.jpg|Rectangles 2
Image:Flag_Rectangles3.jpg|Rectangles 3
Image:Flag_Rectangles4.jpg|Rectangles 4
Image:Flag_Sea_Star1.jpg|Sea Star 2
Image:Flag_SeaStar2.jpg|Sea Star 3
Image:Flag_SeaStar3.jpg|Sea Star 4
Image:Flag_SeaStar4.jpg|Sea Star 5
Image:Flag_SeaStar5.jpg|Sea Star 6
Image:Flag_SeaStar6.jpg|Sea Star 7
Image:Flag_SeaStar7.jpg|Sea Star 8
Image:Flag_SeaStar8.jpg|Sea Star 9
Image:Flag_SeaStar9.jpg|Sea Star 10
Image:Flag_SeaStar10.jpg|Sea Star 11
Image:Flag_SeaStar11.jpg|Sea Star 12
Image:Flag_SeaStar12.jpg|Sea Star 13
Image:Flag_SeaStar14.jpg|Sea Star 14
Image:Flag_SeaStar15.jpg|Sea Star 15
Image:Flag_SeaStar16.jpg|Sea Star 16
Image:Flag_SeaStar17.jpg|Sea Star 17
Image:Flag_SeaStar18.jpg|Sea Star 18
Image:Flag_SeaStar19.jpg|Sea Star 19
Image:Flag_SeaStar20.jpg|Sea Star 20
Image:Flag_SeaStar21.jpg|Sea Star 21
Image:Flag_Greek1.jpg|Spiral 2
Image:Flag_StuffedBears1.jpg|Stuffed Bears 2
Image:Flag_StuffedBears3.jpg|Stuffed Bears 3
Image:Flag_Sun1.jpg|Sun 2
Image:Flag_Sun3.jpg|Sun 3
Image:Flag_Taijitu2.jpg|Taijitu 2
Image:Flag_Taijitu3.jpg|Taijitu 3
Image:Flag_Triflag1.jpg|Vertical Stripes 2
</gallery>

==Results==

The following online communities were, or will be consulted at each stage of the process:

*[[Ipce]]. Results:
*[[BoyChat]]. Results:
*[[GirlChat]] (annabelleigh.net). Results:
*[[Visions of Alice]]. Results:
*[[Littleboylover]]. Results:
*[[BoyLover.net]]. Results:
*[[BoyLove International Support Society]]. Results:
*[[BoyMoment]]. Results:

==The future==

'''1.''' It has been suggested that the chosen flag/symbol be used in forming a new website/awareness campaign. This website could act as a community portal, displaying links to websites who add a prominent link to their own site, using an icon developed from the flag. Whilst the homepage would only list websites that champion a political cause, participant communities would still be linked from a second index. The idea is to improve political awareness and participation.

'''1a.''' It has also been suggested that a website as described above would be particularly useful for increasing and sharing media and public liaison with admins of participant sites. It would allow administrators to better understand and organise the discussions taking place within their community and with other parties. It is possible that an invitation-only private forum could be developed for such a purpose.

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2009-05-01T09:18:51Z

Pantheadoros:

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2009-05-01T09:18:22Z

Pantheadoros:

File:Flag PinkBlueStripes3.jpg

2009-05-01T09:17:50Z

Pantheadoros:

File:Flag PinkBlueStripes2.jpg

2009-05-01T09:17:12Z

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2009-05-01T09:15:38Z

Pantheadoros:

Flag proposal 2009

2009-05-01T09:05:13Z

Pantheadoros: /* Variation Submissions */ Consistency fix (Swirl 2 -> Spiral 2)

A flag representing social movement for the understanding of erotic attractions and relationships involving youth and adults is currently being formed. Participants from the BL/GL (CL) communities and allies from non-oriented sites such as Newgon.com will use the flag (and the accompanying symbol, if viable) to spearhead the awareness campaign.

The '''Proposals Stage''' is nearing a conclusion, and the '''Voting Stage''' is next in line.

==Voting==

The submissions we have received are not final ideas, but concepts that will be worked on once they are chosen. In this sense, choosing a concept should be a matter of potential rather than superficial features (colour, finish, etc) of the blueprint. The concept will be chosen by a simple vote held on a number of related forums, with one vote and one reserve (tie-breaker) vote allocated to each registered screen name, and no one individual may vote on two or more different sites.

===Candidates===

These are the concepts which may be voted for. 

{| width="100%" cellspacing="0" border="1" style="table-layout: fixed;"
! width="12%" | Name
! width="25%" | Design
! width="21%" | Description
! width="21%" | Pros
! width="21%" | Cons
|-
|align="center" | '''Abstract'''
|[[Image:Flag_Abs1.jpg|frame|center]]
|Abstract art does not depict objects in the natural world, but instead uses color and form in a non-representational way.
|
* Unique
|
* Not a very simple or easily recognisable concept
* Difficult to reproduce
|-
|align="center" | '''AmaroSymbol'''
|[[Image:Flag_Diamond1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
[[AP]]'s simple design was used extensively on his now offline websites, but rarely elsewhere. A diamond incorporating two equally sized triangles symbolises union between two divided groups of people.
|
* This simple and attractive design is easy to reproduce, and builds upon existing themes.
|
* Lacks symbolism beyond existent social groups
|-
|align="center" | '''CLogo'''
|[[Image:Flag_Butterfly1.jpg|frame|center]]
|The CLogo is a traditional childlove symbol. It depicts a butterfly whose wings are formed by four hearts. Two are larger than the other two representing the adult and the child. Two are pink and the other two blue representing the masculine and feminine.
|
* Symbol widely accepted as associated to childlove and past movements
|
* Already associated with a narrowly defined movement
* Difficult to reproduce
|-
|align="center" | '''Diagonal Stripes'''
|[[Image:Flag_Diagonal2.jpg|frame|center]]
|The tricolor diagonal stripes attempts to represent all aspects of the erotic. The color pink represents the feminine, blue for the masculine, and white both for the purity of these and for all those not included in the two categories of CL expression.
|
* Evolution on the tricolor design, more distinct and original.
* Simple to produce, and not affiliated with any symbolism that may cause conflict.
|
* May be too simple, stale or plain.
|-
|align="center" | '''Dolphin'''
|[[Image:Flag_Dolphin2.jpg|frame|center]]
|The dolphin is typically free spirited and thought to be very happy animals that have fun.
|
* A new and recognisable symbolism that embraces new perspectives
|-
|align="center" | '''Five-Pointed Star'''
|[[Image:Flag_StarRibbon1.jpg|frame|center]]
|The golden five-pointed star, a five-pointed star with points of equal length and angles of 36° at each point, is a very common ideogram throughout the (especially Western) world. It could also represent the four cardinal directions plus up (toward the aether).
|
* Simple concept
|-
|align="center" | '''Heart'''
|[[Image:Flag_Heart1.jpg|frame|center]]
|The heart is commonly associated with love, and for a long time has referred to the spiritual, emotional, moral, and intellectual core of the human being.
|
* Easily recognised universally as a sign of love
* Covers love from all beings and in all forms rather than restricting to defined parametres of acceptance
|
* May be too general; not unique to our cause
* The heart may be considered slightly feminine by some and the girllove symbol uses hearts (as opposed to boylove's triangles)
|-
|align="center" | '''Phoenix'''
|[[Image:Flag_Phoenix3.jpg|frame|center]]
|The phoenix is a mythical bird who lives up to a thousand years, near the end of which ignites into flames. The remaining ashes form a new, young phoenix, and the cycle goes on. The bird regenerates when wounded by a foe, thus being almost invincible. The tears of the phoenix can also heal a person and make them temporarily immune to death. Applied to the movement, it can be seen as a new era of freedom born from the ashes of the old via burning passion.
|
* Demonstrates the new rising up to replace the old
|
* Not a very simple or easily recognisable concept
* May be difficult to distinguish between phoenix and similar birds such as the eagle (a popular bird on several states' coats of arms)
* Could easily be misinterpretted as the "Chickenhawk" flag
|-
|align="center" | '''Rainbow'''
|[[Image:Flag_Rainbow1.jpg|frame|center]]
|The original Rainbow Flag was designed by the LGBT and has been used to convey one message: "diversity." The rainbow consists of many equal stripes of different colours across the visual spectrum, representing different individuals coming together harmoniously.
|
* Depicts similarity and relation to LGBT
* Buffs the message of "diversity" with more diversity
|
* Consists of many colours, making material production more expensive
* May increase tension between LGBT and our groups unless diplomatic solutions may be reached
* May be confused with LGBT, and not all of us identify as homosexual
|-
|align="center" | '''Rectangles'''
|[[Image:Flag_Rectangles1.jpg|frame|center]]
|A rectangle consists of four 90° angles, representing the four corners of a given space (e.g. the world). A rectangle can be divided equally into two triangles, which have their own symbolism.
|
* Simple concept
* Rectangles may appear stable
|
* Lacks much relevant meaning
* Rectangles may appear rigid
|-
|align="center" | '''Ribbon'''
|[[Image:Flag_Ribbon2.jpg|frame|center]]
|Pieces of ribbon are used as symbols of support or awareness for various social causes and are called "awareness ribbons."
|
* Fits in with other awareness ribbons
|
* Would probably work better as an actual ribbon object than an image on a flag
|-
|align="center" | '''Sea Star'''
|[[Image:Flag_SeaStar13.jpg|frame|center]]
|The starfish symbolises versatility and the replicating power of warmth and mentorship between the generations.
|
* A new and recognisable symbolism that embraces new perspectives
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Spiral'''
|[[Image:Flag_Greek2.jpg|frame|center]]
|A spiral is a curve which emanates from a central point, getting progressively farther away as it revolves around the point. It can symbolise a progressive cycle, evolution and continual change.
|
* Simple concept
|
* May be too simple, stale or plain
|-
|align="center" | '''Star & Stripes'''
|[[Image:Flag_StarAndStripes1.jpg|frame|center]]
|The four-pointed star represents the four cardinal directions; a sense of expansion. The two inner stripes represent masculine and feminine aspects while the outer stripes represent unity of said aspects.
|
* Demonstrates a fine balance of different perspectives
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Stuffed Bears'''
|[[Image:Flag_StuffedBears2.jpg|frame|center]]
|Stuffed bears are an enduring, traditional form of stuffed animal, often serving the purpose of comforting children.
|
* Associates with the comfort and care of children
|
* Not a very simple design for a flag
|-
|align="center" | '''Sun'''
|[[Image:Flag_Sun2.jpg|frame|center]]
|The Sun has long been revered as one of the most important entities in the world. It symbolises hope, power and the light of truth, sometimes being referred to as "the all-seeing."
|
* Simple concept
|
* Not an easily recognisable concept
|-
|align="center" | '''Taijitu'''
|[[Image:Flag_Taijitu.jpg|frame|center]]
|The Taijitu (literally "diagram of the supreme ultimate") is a well known Taoist symbol representing the principle of yin yang - seemingly opposing forces that are interconnected and interdependent in the natural world, giving rise to each other in turn.
|
* Demonstrates harmony between different aspects
|
* May be confused with traditional Taoist symbolism
* May cause the symbol to suffer the same fate as the swastika in the Western world
|-
|align="center" | '''Three Stripes'''
|[[Image:Flag_ThreeStripes1.jpg|frame|center]]
|The tricolor stripes attempts to represent all aspects of the erotic. The color pink represents the feminine, blue for the masculine, and white both for the purity of these and for all those who do not identify with a set category of expression.
|
* Simple to produce
|
* May be too simple, stale or plain
* Too similar to the flags of various countries, could lead to mistaken attribution
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Triangles'''
|[[Image:Flag_Triangles1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
Incorporating the spectrum of colour used to convey diversity, one triangle inside another symbolises inter-generational relationships.
|
* The symbol stands alone and can be easily developed into a flag.
* One possibility is a pennant design with more balance than the image used here.
|
* The symbolism could be seen as excluding, stereotyping and undermining the sexuality of youths.
* The boylove symbol uses triangles (as opposed to girllove's hearts).
|}

===Variation Submissions===

Most of the concepts submitted already have two or more possible variations that the organisers will take into account when finalising the design.
<br style="clear: both;" />

<gallery>
Image:Flag_Diamond2.jpg|AmaroSymbol 2
Image:Flag_Diamond3.jpg|AmaroSymbol 3
Image:Flag_Biflag1.jpg|AmaroSymbol 4
Image:Flag_Diagonal1.jpg|Diagonal Stripes 2
Image:Flag_Diagonal3.jpg|Diagonal Stripes 3
Image:Flag_Dolphin1.jpg|Dolphin 2
Image:Flag_HeartCross1.jpg|Heart 2
Image:Flag_Heart3.jpg|Heart 3
Image:Flag_Heart4.jpg|Heart 4
Image:Flag_Phoenix1.jpg|Phoenix 1
Image:Flag_Phoenix2.jpg|Phoenix 2
Image:Flag_Phoenix3.jpg|Phoenix 3
Image:Flag_Phoenix4.jpg|Phoenix 4
Image:Flag_Phoenix5.jpg|Phoenix 5
Image:Flag_Phoenix6.jpg|Phoenix 6
Image:Flag_Rainbow2.jpg|Rainbow 2
Image:Flag_LGBTRainbowFlag.jpg|Rainbow 3
Image:Flag_Rectangles1.jpg|Rectangles 1
Image:Flag_Rectangles2.jpg|Rectangles 2
Image:Flag_Rectangles3.jpg|Rectangles 3
Image:Flag_Rectangles4.jpg|Rectangles 4
Image:Flag_Sea_Star1.jpg|Sea Star 2
Image:Flag_SeaStar2.jpg|Sea Star 3
Image:Flag_SeaStar3.jpg|Sea Star 4
Image:Flag_SeaStar4.jpg|Sea Star 5
Image:Flag_SeaStar5.jpg|Sea Star 6
Image:Flag_SeaStar6.jpg|Sea Star 7
Image:Flag_SeaStar7.jpg|Sea Star 8
Image:Flag_SeaStar8.jpg|Sea Star 9
Image:Flag_SeaStar9.jpg|Sea Star 10
Image:Flag_SeaStar10.jpg|Sea Star 11
Image:Flag_SeaStar11.jpg|Sea Star 12
Image:Flag_SeaStar12.jpg|Sea Star 13
Image:Flag_SeaStar14.jpg|Sea Star 14
Image:Flag_SeaStar15.jpg|Sea Star 15
Image:Flag_SeaStar16.jpg|Sea Star 16
Image:Flag_SeaStar17.jpg|Sea Star 17
Image:Flag_SeaStar18.jpg|Sea Star 18
Image:Flag_SeaStar19.jpg|Sea Star 19
Image:Flag_SeaStar20.jpg|Sea Star 20
Image:Flag_SeaStar21.jpg|Sea Star 21
Image:Flag_Greek1.jpg|Spiral 2
Image:Flag_StuffedBears1.jpg|Stuffed Bears 2
Image:Flag_StuffedBears3.jpg|Stuffed Bears 3
Image:Flag_Sun1.jpg|Sun 2
Image:Flag_Sun3.jpg|Sun 3
Image:Flag_Taijitu2.jpg|Taijitu 2
Image:Flag_Taijitu3.jpg|Taijitu 3
Image:Flag_Triflag1.jpg|Three Stripes 2
</gallery>

==Results==

The following online communities were, or will be consulted at each stage of the process:

*[[Ipce]]. Results:
*[[BoyChat]]. Results:
*[[GirlChat]] (annabelleigh.net). Results:
*[[Visions of Alice]]. Results:
*[[Littleboylover]]. Results:
*[[BoyLover.net]]. Results:
*[[BoyLove International Support Society]]. Results:
*[[BoyMoment]]. Results:

==The future==

'''1.''' It has been suggested that the chosen flag/symbol be used in forming a new website/awareness campaign. This website could act as a community portal, displaying links to websites who add a prominent link to their own site, using an icon developed from the flag. Whilst the homepage would only list websites that champion a political cause, participant communities would still be linked from a second index. The idea is to improve political awareness and participation.

'''1a.''' It has also been suggested that a website as described above would be particularly useful for increasing and sharing media and public liaison with admins of participant sites. It would allow administrators to better understand and organise the discussions taking place within their community and with other parties. It is possible that an invitation-only private forum could be developed for such a purpose.

Flag proposal 2009

2009-05-01T09:03:52Z

Pantheadoros: /* Candidates */ Filled in much of the missing information

A flag representing social movement for the understanding of erotic attractions and relationships involving youth and adults is currently being formed. Participants from the BL/GL (CL) communities and allies from non-oriented sites such as Newgon.com will use the flag (and the accompanying symbol, if viable) to spearhead the awareness campaign.

The '''Proposals Stage''' is nearing a conclusion, and the '''Voting Stage''' is next in line.

==Voting==

The submissions we have received are not final ideas, but concepts that will be worked on once they are chosen. In this sense, choosing a concept should be a matter of potential rather than superficial features (colour, finish, etc) of the blueprint. The concept will be chosen by a simple vote held on a number of related forums, with one vote and one reserve (tie-breaker) vote allocated to each registered screen name, and no one individual may vote on two or more different sites.

===Candidates===

These are the concepts which may be voted for. 

{| width="100%" cellspacing="0" border="1" style="table-layout: fixed;"
! width="12%" | Name
! width="25%" | Design
! width="21%" | Description
! width="21%" | Pros
! width="21%" | Cons
|-
|align="center" | '''Abstract'''
|[[Image:Flag_Abs1.jpg|frame|center]]
|Abstract art does not depict objects in the natural world, but instead uses color and form in a non-representational way.
|
* Unique
|
* Not a very simple or easily recognisable concept
* Difficult to reproduce
|-
|align="center" | '''AmaroSymbol'''
|[[Image:Flag_Diamond1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
[[AP]]'s simple design was used extensively on his now offline websites, but rarely elsewhere. A diamond incorporating two equally sized triangles symbolises union between two divided groups of people.
|
* This simple and attractive design is easy to reproduce, and builds upon existing themes.
|
* Lacks symbolism beyond existent social groups
|-
|align="center" | '''CLogo'''
|[[Image:Flag_Butterfly1.jpg|frame|center]]
|The CLogo is a traditional childlove symbol. It depicts a butterfly whose wings are formed by four hearts. Two are larger than the other two representing the adult and the child. Two are pink and the other two blue representing the masculine and feminine.
|
* Symbol widely accepted as associated to childlove and past movements
|
* Already associated with a narrowly defined movement
* Difficult to reproduce
|-
|align="center" | '''Diagonal Stripes'''
|[[Image:Flag_Diagonal2.jpg|frame|center]]
|The tricolor diagonal stripes attempts to represent all aspects of the erotic. The color pink represents the feminine, blue for the masculine, and white both for the purity of these and for all those not included in the two categories of CL expression.
|
* Evolution on the tricolor design, more distinct and original.
* Simple to produce, and not affiliated with any symbolism that may cause conflict.
|
* May be too simple, stale or plain.
|-
|align="center" | '''Dolphin'''
|[[Image:Flag_Dolphin2.jpg|frame|center]]
|The dolphin is typically free spirited and thought to be very happy animals that have fun.
|
* A new and recognisable symbolism that embraces new perspectives
|-
|align="center" | '''Five-Pointed Star'''
|[[Image:Flag_StarRibbon1.jpg|frame|center]]
|The golden five-pointed star, a five-pointed star with points of equal length and angles of 36° at each point, is a very common ideogram throughout the (especially Western) world. It could also represent the four cardinal directions plus up (toward the aether).
|
* Simple concept
|-
|align="center" | '''Heart'''
|[[Image:Flag_Heart1.jpg|frame|center]]
|The heart is commonly associated with love, and for a long time has referred to the spiritual, emotional, moral, and intellectual core of the human being.
|
* Easily recognised universally as a sign of love
* Covers love from all beings and in all forms rather than restricting to defined parametres of acceptance
|
* May be too general; not unique to our cause
* The heart may be considered slightly feminine by some and the girllove symbol uses hearts (as opposed to boylove's triangles)
|-
|align="center" | '''Phoenix'''
|[[Image:Flag_Phoenix3.jpg|frame|center]]
|The phoenix is a mythical bird who lives up to a thousand years, near the end of which ignites into flames. The remaining ashes form a new, young phoenix, and the cycle goes on. The bird regenerates when wounded by a foe, thus being almost invincible. The tears of the phoenix can also heal a person and make them temporarily immune to death. Applied to the movement, it can be seen as a new era of freedom born from the ashes of the old via burning passion.
|
* Demonstrates the new rising up to replace the old
|
* Not a very simple or easily recognisable concept
* May be difficult to distinguish between phoenix and similar birds such as the eagle (a popular bird on several states' coats of arms)
* Could easily be misinterpretted as the "Chickenhawk" flag
|-
|align="center" | '''Rainbow'''
|[[Image:Flag_Rainbow1.jpg|frame|center]]
|The original Rainbow Flag was designed by the LGBT and has been used to convey one message: "diversity." The rainbow consists of many equal stripes of different colours across the visual spectrum, representing different individuals coming together harmoniously.
|
* Depicts similarity and relation to LGBT
* Buffs the message of "diversity" with more diversity
|
* Consists of many colours, making material production more expensive
* May increase tension between LGBT and our groups unless diplomatic solutions may be reached
* May be confused with LGBT, and not all of us identify as homosexual
|-
|align="center" | '''Rectangles'''
|[[Image:Flag_Rectangles1.jpg|frame|center]]
|A rectangle consists of four 90° angles, representing the four corners of a given space (e.g. the world). A rectangle can be divided equally into two triangles, which have their own symbolism.
|
* Simple concept
* Rectangles may appear stable
|
* Lacks much relevant meaning
* Rectangles may appear rigid
|-
|align="center" | '''Ribbon'''
|[[Image:Flag_Ribbon2.jpg|frame|center]]
|Pieces of ribbon are used as symbols of support or awareness for various social causes and are called "awareness ribbons."
|
* Fits in with other awareness ribbons
|
* Would probably work better as an actual ribbon object than an image on a flag
|-
|align="center" | '''Sea Star'''
|[[Image:Flag_SeaStar13.jpg|frame|center]]
|The starfish symbolises versatility and the replicating power of warmth and mentorship between the generations.
|
* A new and recognisable symbolism that embraces new perspectives
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Spiral'''
|[[Image:Flag_Greek2.jpg|frame|center]]
|A spiral is a curve which emanates from a central point, getting progressively farther away as it revolves around the point. It can symbolise a progressive cycle, evolution and continual change.
|
* Simple concept
|
* May be too simple, stale or plain
|-
|align="center" | '''Star & Stripes'''
|[[Image:Flag_StarAndStripes1.jpg|frame|center]]
|The four-pointed star represents the four cardinal directions; a sense of expansion. The two inner stripes represent masculine and feminine aspects while the outer stripes represent unity of said aspects.
|
* Demonstrates a fine balance of different perspectives
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Stuffed Bears'''
|[[Image:Flag_StuffedBears2.jpg|frame|center]]
|Stuffed bears are an enduring, traditional form of stuffed animal, often serving the purpose of comforting children.
|
* Associates with the comfort and care of children
|
* Not a very simple design for a flag
|-
|align="center" | '''Sun'''
|[[Image:Flag_Sun2.jpg|frame|center]]
|The Sun has long been revered as one of the most important entities in the world. It symbolises hope, power and the light of truth, sometimes being referred to as "the all-seeing."
|
* Simple concept
|
* Not an easily recognisable concept
|-
|align="center" | '''Taijitu'''
|[[Image:Flag_Taijitu.jpg|frame|center]]
|The Taijitu (literally "diagram of the supreme ultimate") is a well known Taoist symbol representing the principle of yin yang - seemingly opposing forces that are interconnected and interdependent in the natural world, giving rise to each other in turn.
|
* Demonstrates harmony between different aspects
|
* May be confused with traditional Taoist symbolism
* May cause the symbol to suffer the same fate as the swastika in the Western world
|-
|align="center" | '''Three Stripes'''
|[[Image:Flag_ThreeStripes1.jpg|frame|center]]
|The tricolor stripes attempts to represent all aspects of the erotic. The color pink represents the feminine, blue for the masculine, and white both for the purity of these and for all those who do not identify with a set category of expression.
|
* Simple to produce
|
* May be too simple, stale or plain
* Too similar to the flags of various countries, could lead to mistaken attribution
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Triangles'''
|[[Image:Flag_Triangles1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
Incorporating the spectrum of colour used to convey diversity, one triangle inside another symbolises inter-generational relationships.
|
* The symbol stands alone and can be easily developed into a flag.
* One possibility is a pennant design with more balance than the image used here.
|
* The symbolism could be seen as excluding, stereotyping and undermining the sexuality of youths.
* The boylove symbol uses triangles (as opposed to girllove's hearts).
|}

===Variation Submissions===

Most of the concepts submitted already have two or more possible variations that the organisers will take into account when finalising the design.
<br style="clear: both;" />

<gallery>
Image:Flag_Diamond2.jpg|AmaroSymbol 2
Image:Flag_Diamond3.jpg|AmaroSymbol 3
Image:Flag_Biflag1.jpg|AmaroSymbol 4
Image:Flag_Diagonal1.jpg|Diagonal Stripes 2
Image:Flag_Diagonal3.jpg|Diagonal Stripes 3
Image:Flag_Dolphin1.jpg|Dolphin 2
Image:Flag_HeartCross1.jpg|Heart 2
Image:Flag_Heart3.jpg|Heart 3
Image:Flag_Heart4.jpg|Heart 4
Image:Flag_Phoenix1.jpg|Phoenix 1
Image:Flag_Phoenix2.jpg|Phoenix 2
Image:Flag_Phoenix3.jpg|Phoenix 3
Image:Flag_Phoenix4.jpg|Phoenix 4
Image:Flag_Phoenix5.jpg|Phoenix 5
Image:Flag_Phoenix6.jpg|Phoenix 6
Image:Flag_Rainbow2.jpg|Rainbow 2
Image:Flag_LGBTRainbowFlag.jpg|Rainbow 3
Image:Flag_Rectangles1.jpg|Rectangles 1
Image:Flag_Rectangles2.jpg|Rectangles 2
Image:Flag_Rectangles3.jpg|Rectangles 3
Image:Flag_Rectangles4.jpg|Rectangles 4
Image:Flag_Sea_Star1.jpg|Sea Star 2
Image:Flag_SeaStar2.jpg|Sea Star 3
Image:Flag_SeaStar3.jpg|Sea Star 4
Image:Flag_SeaStar4.jpg|Sea Star 5
Image:Flag_SeaStar5.jpg|Sea Star 6
Image:Flag_SeaStar6.jpg|Sea Star 7
Image:Flag_SeaStar7.jpg|Sea Star 8
Image:Flag_SeaStar8.jpg|Sea Star 9
Image:Flag_SeaStar9.jpg|Sea Star 10
Image:Flag_SeaStar10.jpg|Sea Star 11
Image:Flag_SeaStar11.jpg|Sea Star 12
Image:Flag_SeaStar12.jpg|Sea Star 13
Image:Flag_SeaStar14.jpg|Sea Star 14
Image:Flag_SeaStar15.jpg|Sea Star 15
Image:Flag_SeaStar16.jpg|Sea Star 16
Image:Flag_SeaStar17.jpg|Sea Star 17
Image:Flag_SeaStar18.jpg|Sea Star 18
Image:Flag_SeaStar19.jpg|Sea Star 19
Image:Flag_SeaStar20.jpg|Sea Star 20
Image:Flag_SeaStar21.jpg|Sea Star 21
Image:Flag_StuffedBears1.jpg|Stuffed Bears 2
Image:Flag_StuffedBears3.jpg|Stuffed Bears 3
Image:Flag_Sun1.jpg|Sun 2
Image:Flag_Sun3.jpg|Sun 3
Image:Flag_Greek1.jpg|Swirl 2
Image:Flag_Taijitu2.jpg|Taijitu 2
Image:Flag_Taijitu3.jpg|Taijitu 3
Image:Flag_Triflag1.jpg|Three Stripes 2
</gallery>

==Results==

The following online communities were, or will be consulted at each stage of the process:

*[[Ipce]]. Results:
*[[BoyChat]]. Results:
*[[GirlChat]] (annabelleigh.net). Results:
*[[Visions of Alice]]. Results:
*[[Littleboylover]]. Results:
*[[BoyLover.net]]. Results:
*[[BoyLove International Support Society]]. Results:
*[[BoyMoment]]. Results:

==The future==

'''1.''' It has been suggested that the chosen flag/symbol be used in forming a new website/awareness campaign. This website could act as a community portal, displaying links to websites who add a prominent link to their own site, using an icon developed from the flag. Whilst the homepage would only list websites that champion a political cause, participant communities would still be linked from a second index. The idea is to improve political awareness and participation.

'''1a.''' It has also been suggested that a website as described above would be particularly useful for increasing and sharing media and public liaison with admins of participant sites. It would allow administrators to better understand and organise the discussions taking place within their community and with other parties. It is possible that an invitation-only private forum could be developed for such a purpose.

Flag proposal 2009

2009-03-24T11:34:48Z

Pantheadoros: /* The future */ Typo fix; "sybmol"->"symbol"

A flag representing social movement for the understanding of erotic attractions and relationships involving youth and adults is currently being formed. Participants from the BL/GL (CL) communities and allies from non-oriented sites such as Newgon.com will use the flag (and the accompanying symbol, if viable) to spearhead the awareness campaign.

The '''Proposals Stage''' is nearing a conclusion, and the '''Voting Stage''' is next in line.

==Voting==

The submissions we have received are not final ideas, but concepts that will be worked on once they are chosen. In this sense, choosing a concept should be a matter of potential rather than superficial features (colour, finish, etc) of the blueprint. The concept will be chosen by a simple vote held on a number of related forums, with one vote and one reserve (tie-breaker) vote allocated to each registered screen name, and no one individual may vote on two or more different sites.

===Candidates===

These are the concepts which may be voted for. 

{| width="100%" cellspacing="0" border="1" style="table-layout: fixed;"
! width="12%" | Name
! width="25%" | Design
! width="21%" | Description
! width="21%" | Pros
! width="21%" | Cons
|-
|align="center" | '''Abstract'''
|[[Image:Flag_Abs1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''AmaroSymbol'''
|[[Image:Flag_Diamond1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
[[AP]]'s simple design was used extensively on his now offline websites, but rarely elsewhere. A diamond incorporating two equally sized triangles symbolises union between two divided groups of people.
|
* This simple and attractive design is easy to reproduce, and builds upon existing themes.
|
* Lacks symbolism beyond existent social groups.
|-
|align="center" | '''CLogo'''
|[[Image:Flag_Butterfly1.jpg|frame|center]]
|The CLogo is a traditional childlove symbol. It depicts a butterfly whose wings are formed by four hearts. Two are larger than the other two representing the adult and the child. Two are pink and the other two blue representing the masculine and feminine.
|
* Symbol widely accepted as associated to childlove and past movements.
|
* Already associated with a narrowly defined movement, hard to reproduce.
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Diagonal Stripes'''
|[[Image:Flag_Diagonal2.jpg|frame|center]]
|The tricolor diagonal stripes attempts to represent all aspects of the erotic. The color pink represents the feminine, blue for the masculine, and white both for the purity of these and for all those not included in the two categories of CL expression.
|
* Evolution on the tricolor design, more distinct and original.
* Simple to produce, and not affiliated with any symbolism that may cause conflict.
|
* May be too simple, stale or plain.
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Dolphin'''
|[[Image:Flag_Dolphin2.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Heart'''
|[[Image:Flag_Heart1.jpg|frame|center]]
|The heart is commonly associated with love, and for a long time has referred to the spiritual, emotional, moral, and intellectual core of the human being.
|
* Easily recognised universally as a sign of love
* Covers love from all beings and in all forms rather than restricting to defined parametres of acceptance
|
* May be too general; not unique to our cause
* The heart may be considered slightly feminine by some and the girllove symbol uses hearts (as opposed to boylove's triangles)
|-
|align="center" | '''Phoenix'''
|[[Image:Flag_Phoenix3.jpg|frame|center]]
|The phoenix is a mythical bird who lives up to a thousand years, near the end of which ignites into flames. The remaining ashes form a new, young phoenix, and the cycle goes on. The bird regenerates when wounded by a foe, thus being almost invincible. The tears of the phoenix can also heal a person and make them temporarily immune to death. Applied to the movement, it can be seen as a new era of freedom born from the ashes of the old via burning passion.
|
|
* Not a very simple or easily recognisable concept
* May be difficult to distinguish between phoenix and similar birds such as the eagle (a popular bird on several states' coats of arms)
* Could easily be misinterpretted as the "Chickenhawk" flag.
|-
|align="center" | '''Rainbow'''
|[[Image:Flag_Rainbow1.jpg|frame|center]]
|The original Rainbow Flag was designed by the LGBT and has been used to convey one message: "diversity." The rainbow consists of many equal stripes of different colours across the visual spectrum, representing different individuals coming together harmoniously.
|
* Depicts similarity and relation to LGBT
* Buffs the message of "diversity" with more diversity
|
* Consists of many colours, making material production more expensive
* May increase tension between LGBT and our groups unless diplomatic solutions may be reached
* May be confused with LGBT, and not all of us identify as homosexual
|-
|align="center" | '''Rectangles'''
|[[Image:Flag_Rectangles1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Ribbon'''
|[[Image:Flag_Ribbon2.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Sea Star'''
|[[Image:Flag_SeaStar13.jpg|frame|center]]
|The starfish symbolises versatility and the replicating power of warmth and mentorship between the generations.
|
* A new and recognisable symbolism that embraces new perspectives
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Star & Stripes'''
|[[Image:Flag_StarAndStripes1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Star Ribbon'''
|[[Image:Flag_StarRibbon1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Stuffed Bears'''
|[[Image:Flag_StuffedBears2.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Sun'''
|[[Image:Flag_Sun2.jpg|frame|center]]
|The Sun has long been revered as one of the most important entities in the world. It symbolises hope, power and the light of truth, sometimes being referred to as "the all-seeing."
|
* A new and recognisable symbolism that embraces new perspectives
* Simple design
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Swirl'''
|[[Image:Flag_Greek2.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Taijitu'''
|[[Image:Flag_Taijitu.jpg|frame|center]]
|The Taijitu (literally "diagram of the supreme ultimate") is a well known Taoist symbol representing the principle of yin yang - seemingly opposing forces that are interconnected and interdependent in the natural world, giving rise to each other in turn.
|
|
* May be confused with traditional Taoist symbolism
* May cause the symbol to suffer the same fate as the swastika in the Western world
|-
|align="center" | '''Three Stripes'''
|[[Image:Flag_ThreeStripes1.jpg|frame|center]]
|The tricolor stripes attempts to represent all aspects of the erotic. The color pink represents the feminine, blue for the masculine, and white both for the purity of these and for all those who do not identify with a set category of expression.
|
* Simple to produce, and not affiliated with any symbolism that may cause conflict.
|
* May be too simple, stale or plain.
* Too similar to the flags of various countries, could lead to mistaken attribution.
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Triangles'''
|[[Image:Flag_Triangles1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
Incorporating the spectrum of colour used to convey diversity, one triangle inside another symbolises inter-generational relationships.
|
*The symbol stands alone and can be easily developed into a flag.
*One possibility is a pennant design with more balance than the image used here.
|
*The symbolism could be seen as excluding, stereotyping and undermining the sexuality of youths.
|}

===Variation Submissions===

Most of the concepts submitted already have two or more possible variations that the organisers will take into account when finalising the design.
<br style="clear: both;" />

<gallery>
Image:Flag_Diamond2.jpg|AmaroSymbol 2
Image:Flag_Diamond3.jpg|AmaroSymbol 3
Image:Flag_Biflag1.jpg|AmaroSymbol 4
Image:Flag_Diagonal1.jpg|Diagonal Stripes 2
Image:Flag_Diagonal3.jpg|Diagonal Stripes 3
Image:Flag_Dolphin1.jpg|Dolphin 2
Image:Flag_HeartCross1.jpg|Heart 2
Image:Flag_Heart3.jpg|Heart 3
Image:Flag_Heart4.jpg|Heart 4
Image:Flag_Phoenix1.jpg|Phoenix 1
Image:Flag_Phoenix2.jpg|Phoenix 2
Image:Flag_Phoenix3.jpg|Phoenix 3
Image:Flag_Phoenix4.jpg|Phoenix 4
Image:Flag_Phoenix5.jpg|Phoenix 5
Image:Flag_Phoenix6.jpg|Phoenix 6
Image:Flag_Rainbow2.jpg|Rainbow 2
Image:Flag_LGBTRainbowFlag.jpg|Rainbow 3
Image:Flag_Rectangles1.jpg|Rectangles 1
Image:Flag_Rectangles2.jpg|Rectangles 2
Image:Flag_Rectangles3.jpg|Rectangles 3
Image:Flag_Rectangles4.jpg|Rectangles 4
Image:Flag_Sea_Star1.jpg|Sea Star 2
Image:Flag_SeaStar2.jpg|Sea Star 3
Image:Flag_SeaStar3.jpg|Sea Star 4
Image:Flag_SeaStar4.jpg|Sea Star 5
Image:Flag_SeaStar5.jpg|Sea Star 6
Image:Flag_SeaStar6.jpg|Sea Star 7
Image:Flag_SeaStar7.jpg|Sea Star 8
Image:Flag_SeaStar8.jpg|Sea Star 9
Image:Flag_SeaStar9.jpg|Sea Star 10
Image:Flag_SeaStar10.jpg|Sea Star 11
Image:Flag_SeaStar11.jpg|Sea Star 12
Image:Flag_SeaStar12.jpg|Sea Star 13
Image:Flag_SeaStar14.jpg|Sea Star 14
Image:Flag_SeaStar15.jpg|Sea Star 15
Image:Flag_SeaStar16.jpg|Sea Star 16
Image:Flag_SeaStar17.jpg|Sea Star 17
Image:Flag_SeaStar18.jpg|Sea Star 18
Image:Flag_SeaStar19.jpg|Sea Star 19
Image:Flag_SeaStar20.jpg|Sea Star 20
Image:Flag_SeaStar21.jpg|Sea Star 21
Image:Flag_StuffedBears1.jpg|Stuffed Bears 2
Image:Flag_StuffedBears3.jpg|Stuffed Bears 3
Image:Flag_Sun1.jpg|Sun 2
Image:Flag_Sun3.jpg|Sun 3
Image:Flag_Greek1.jpg|Swirl 2
Image:Flag_Taijitu2.jpg|Taijitu 2
Image:Flag_Taijitu3.jpg|Taijitu 3
Image:Flag_Triflag1.jpg|Three Stripes 2
</gallery>

==Results==

The following online communities were, or will be consulted at each stage of the process:

*[[Ipce]]. Results:
*[[BoyChat]]. Results:
*[[GirlChat]] (annabelleigh.net). Results:
*[[Visions of Alice]]. Results:
*[[Littleboylover]]. Results:
*[[BoyLover.net]]. Results:
*[[BoyLove International Support Society]]. Results:
*[[BoyMoment]]. Results:

==The future==

'''1.''' It has been suggested that the chosen flag/symbol be used in forming a new website/awareness campaign. This website could act as a community portal, displaying links to websites who add a prominent link to their own site, using an icon developed from the flag. Whilst the homepage would only list websites that champion a political cause, participant communities would still be linked from a second index. The idea is to improve political awareness and participation.

'''1a.''' It has also been suggested that a website as described above would be particularly useful for increasing and sharing media and public liaison with admins of participant sites. It would allow administrators to better understand and organise the discussions taking place within their community and with other parties. It is possible that an invitation-only private forum could be developed for such a purpose.

Flag proposal 2009

2009-03-14T22:56:11Z

Pantheadoros: /* Candidates */ Added information about Phoenix and made some minor tweaks

A flag representing social movement for the understanding of erotic attractions and relationships involving youth and adults is currently being formed. Participants from the BL/GL (CL) communities and allies from non-oriented sites such as Newgon.com will use the flag (and the accompanying symbol, if viable) to spearhead the awareness campaign.

The '''Proposals Stage''' is nearing a conclusion, and the '''Voting Stage''' is next in line.

==Voting==

The submissions we have received are not final ideas, but concepts that will be worked on once they are chosen. In this sense, choosing a concept should be a matter of potential rather than superficial features (colour, finish, etc) of the blueprint. The concept will be chosen by a simple vote held on a number of related forums, with one vote and one reserve (tie-breaker) vote allocated to each registered screen name, and no one individual may vote on two or more different sites.

===Candidates===

These are the concepts which may be voted for. 

{| width="100%" cellspacing="0" border="1" style="table-layout: fixed;"
! width="12%" | Name
! width="25%" | Design
! width="21%" | Description
! width="21%" | Pros
! width="21%" | Cons
|-
|align="center" | '''Abstract'''
|[[Image:Flag_Abs1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''AmaroSymbol'''
|[[Image:Flag_Diamond1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
[[AP]]'s simple design was used extensively on his now offline websites, but rarely elsewhere. A diamond incorporating two equally sized triangles symbolises union between two divided groups of people.
|
* This simple and attractive design is easy to reproduce, and builds upon existing themes.
|
* Lacks symbolism beyond existent social groups.
|-
|align="center" | '''CLogo'''
|[[Image:Flag_Butterfly1.jpg|frame|center]]
|The CLogo is a traditional childlove symbol. It depicts a butterfly whose wings are formed by four hearts. Two are larger than the other two representing the adult and the child. Two are pink and the other two blue representing the masculine and feminine.
|
* Symbol widely accepted as associated to childlove and past movements.
|
* Already associated with a narrowly defined movement, hard to reproduce.
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Diagonal Stripes'''
|[[Image:Flag_Diagonal2.jpg|frame|center]]
|The tricolor diagonal stripes attempts to represent all aspects of the erotic. The color pink represents the feminine, blue for the masculine, and white both for the purity of these and for all those not included in the two categories of CL expression.
|
* Evolution on the tricolor design, more distinct and original.
* Simple to produce, and not affiliated with any symbolism that may cause conflict.
|
* May be too simple, stale or plain.
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Dolphin'''
|[[Image:Flag_Dolphin2.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Heart'''
|[[Image:Flag_Heart1.jpg|frame|center]]
|The heart is commonly associated with love, and for a long time has referred to the spiritual, emotional, moral, and intellectual core of the human being.
|
* Easily recognised universally as a sign of love
* Covers love from all beings and in all forms rather than restricting to defined parametres of acceptance
|
* May be too general; not unique to our cause
* The heart may be considered slightly feminine by some and the girllove symbol uses hearts (as opposed to boylove's triangles)
|-
|align="center" | '''Phoenix'''
|[[Image:Flag_Phoenix3.jpg|frame|center]]
|The phoenix is a mythical bird who lives up to a thousand years, near the end of which ignites into flames. The remaining ashes form a new, young phoenix, and the cycle goes on. The bird regenerates when wounded by a foe, thus being almost invincible. The tears of the phoenix can also heal a person and make them temporarily immune to death. Applied to the movement, it can be seen as a new era of freedom born from the ashes of the old via burning passion.
|
|
* Not a very simple or easily recognisable concept
* May be difficult to distinguish between phoenix and similar birds such as the eagle (a popular bird on several states' coats of arms)
|-
|align="center" | '''Rainbow'''
|[[Image:Flag_Rainbow1.jpg|frame|center]]
|The original Rainbow Flag was designed by the LGBT and has been used to convey one message: "diversity." The rainbow consists of many equal stripes of different colours across the visual spectrum, representing different individuals coming together harmoniously.
|
* Depicts similarity and relation to LGBT
* Buffs the message of "diversity" with more diversity
|
* Consists of many colours, making material production more expensive
* May increase tension between LGBT and our groups unless diplomatic solutions may be reached
* May be confused with LGBT, and not all of us identify as homosexual
|-
|align="center" | '''Rectangles'''
|[[Image:Flag_Rectangles1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Ribbon'''
|[[Image:Flag_Ribbon2.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Sea Star'''
|[[Image:Flag_SeaStar13.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
* A new and recognisable symbolism that embraces new perspectives
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Star & Stripes'''
|[[Image:Flag_StarAndStripes1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Star Ribbon'''
|[[Image:Flag_StarRibbon1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Stuffed Bears'''
|[[Image:Flag_StuffedBears2.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Sun'''
|[[Image:Flag_Sun2.jpg|frame|center]]
|The Sun has long been revered as one of the most important entities in the world. It symbolises hope, power and the light of truth, sometimes being referred to as "the all-seeing."
|
* A new and recognisable symbolism that embraces new perspectives
* Simple design
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Swirl'''
|[[Image:Flag_Greek2.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Taijitu'''
|[[Image:Flag_Taijitu.jpg|frame|center]]
|The Taijitu (literally "diagram of the supreme ultimate") is a well known Taoist symbol representing the principle of yin yang - seemingly opposing forces that are interconnected and interdependent in the natural world, giving rise to each other in turn.
|
|
* May be confused with traditional Taoist symbolism
* May cause the symbol to suffer the same fate as the swastika in the Western world
|-
|align="center" | '''Three Stripes'''
|[[Image:Flag_ThreeStripes1.jpg|frame|center]]
|The tricolor stripes attempts to represent all aspects of the erotic. The color pink represents the feminine, blue for the masculine, and white both for the purity of these and for all those who do not identify with a set category of expression.
|
* Simple to produce, and not affiliated with any symbolism that may cause conflict.
|
* May be too simple, stale or plain.
* Too similar to the flags of various countries, could lead to mistaken attribution.
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Triangles'''
|[[Image:Flag_Triangles1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
Incorporating the spectrum of colour used to convey diversity, one triangle inside another symbolises inter-generational relationships.
|
*The symbol stands alone and can be easily developed into a flag.
*One possibility is a pennant design with more balance than the image used here.
|
*The symbolism could be seen as excluding, stereotyping and undermining the sexuality of youths.
|}

===Variation Submissions===

Most of the concepts submitted already have two or more possible variations that the organisers will take into account when finalising the design.
<br style="clear: both;" />

<gallery>
Image:Flag_Diamond2.jpg|AmaroSymbol 2
Image:Flag_Diamond3.jpg|AmaroSymbol 3
Image:Flag_Biflag1.jpg|AmaroSymbol 4
Image:Flag_Diagonal1.jpg|Diagonal Stripes 2
Image:Flag_Diagonal3.jpg|Diagonal Stripes 3
Image:Flag_Dolphin1.jpg|Dolphin 2
Image:Flag_HeartCross1.jpg|Heart 2
Image:Flag_Heart3.jpg|Heart 3
Image:Flag_Heart4.jpg|Heart 4
Image:Flag_Phoenix1.jpg|Phoenix 1
Image:Flag_Phoenix2.jpg|Phoenix 2
Image:Flag_Phoenix3.jpg|Phoenix 3
Image:Flag_Phoenix4.jpg|Phoenix 4
Image:Flag_Phoenix5.jpg|Phoenix 5
Image:Flag_Phoenix6.jpg|Phoenix 6
Image:Flag_Rainbow2.jpg|Rainbow 2
Image:Flag_LGBTRainbowFlag.jpg|Rainbow 3
Image:Flag_Rectangles1.jpg|Rectangles 1
Image:Flag_Rectangles2.jpg|Rectangles 2
Image:Flag_Rectangles3.jpg|Rectangles 3
Image:Flag_Rectangles4.jpg|Rectangles 4
Image:Flag_Sea_Star1.jpg|Sea Star 2
Image:Flag_SeaStar2.jpg|Sea Star 3
Image:Flag_SeaStar3.jpg|Sea Star 4
Image:Flag_SeaStar4.jpg|Sea Star 5
Image:Flag_SeaStar5.jpg|Sea Star 6
Image:Flag_SeaStar6.jpg|Sea Star 7
Image:Flag_SeaStar7.jpg|Sea Star 8
Image:Flag_SeaStar8.jpg|Sea Star 9
Image:Flag_SeaStar9.jpg|Sea Star 10
Image:Flag_SeaStar10.jpg|Sea Star 11
Image:Flag_SeaStar11.jpg|Sea Star 12
Image:Flag_SeaStar12.jpg|Sea Star 13
Image:Flag_SeaStar14.jpg|Sea Star 14
Image:Flag_SeaStar15.jpg|Sea Star 15
Image:Flag_SeaStar16.jpg|Sea Star 16
Image:Flag_SeaStar17.jpg|Sea Star 17
Image:Flag_SeaStar18.jpg|Sea Star 18
Image:Flag_SeaStar19.jpg|Sea Star 19
Image:Flag_SeaStar20.jpg|Sea Star 20
Image:Flag_SeaStar21.jpg|Sea Star 21
Image:Flag_StuffedBears1.jpg|Stuffed Bears 2
Image:Flag_StuffedBears3.jpg|Stuffed Bears 3
Image:Flag_Sun1.jpg|Sun 2
Image:Flag_Sun3.jpg|Sun 3
Image:Flag_Greek1.jpg|Swirl 2
Image:Flag_Taijitu2.jpg|Taijitu 2
Image:Flag_Taijitu3.jpg|Taijitu 3
Image:Flag_Triflag1.jpg|Three Stripes 2
</gallery>

==Results==

The following online communities were, or will be consulted at each stage of the process:

*[[Ipce]]. Results:
*[[BoyChat]]. Results:
*[[GirlChat]] (annabelleigh.net). Results:
*[[Visions of Alice]]. Results:
*[[Littleboylover]]. Results:
*[[BoyLover.net]]. Results:
*[[BoyLove International Support Society]]. Results:
*[[BoyMoment]]. Results:

==The future==

'''1.''' It has been suggested that the chosen flag/sybmol be used in forming a new website/awareness campaign. This website could act as a community portal, displaying links to websites who add a prominent link to their own site, using an icon developed from the flag. Whilst the homepage would only list websites that champion a political cause, participant communities would still be linked from a second index. The idea is to improve political awareness and participation.

'''1a.''' It has also been suggested that a website as described above would be particularly useful for increasing and sharing media and public liaison with admins of participant sites. It would allow administrators to better understand and organise the discussions taking place within their community and with other parties. It is possible that an invitation-only private forum could be developed for such a purpose.

Flag proposal 2009

2009-03-14T03:50:25Z

Pantheadoros: /* Candidates */ Added description for Sun and removed the Sun pro point referring to colours (which are not part of the concept itself)

A flag representing social movement for the understanding of erotic attractions and relationships involving youth and adults is currently being formed. Participants from the BL/GL communities and allies from non-oriented sites such as Newgon.com will use the flag (and the accompanying symbol, if viable) to spearhead the awareness campaign.

The '''Proposals Stage''' is nearing a conclusion, and the '''Voting Stage''' is next in line.

==Voting==

The submissions we have received are not final ideas, but concepts that will be worked on once they are chosen. In this sense, choosing a concept should be a matter of potential rather than superficial features (colour, finish, etc) of the blueprint. The concept will be chosen by a simple vote held on a number of related forums, with one vote and one reserve (tie-breaker) vote allocated to each registered screen name, and no one individual may vote on two or more different sites.

===Candidates===

These are the concepts which may be voted for. 

{| width="100%" cellspacing="0" border="1" style="table-layout: fixed;"
! width="12%" | Name
! width="25%" | Design
! width="21%" | Description
! width="21%" | Pros
! width="21%" | Cons
|-
|align="center" | '''Abstract'''
|[[Image:Flag_Abs1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''AmaroSymbol'''
|[[Image:Flag_Diamond1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
[[AP]]'s simple design was used extensively on his now offline websites, but rarely elsewhere. A diamond incorporating two equally sized triangles symbolises union between two divided groups of people. Here, we submit it for a community vote.
|
*This simple and attractive design is easy to reproduce, and builds upon existing themes.
|
*It lacks symbolism beyond existent social groups.
|-
|align="center" | '''CLogo'''
|[[Image:Flag_Butterfly1.jpg|frame|center]]
|The CLogo is a traditional childlove symbol. It depicts a butterfly whose wings are formed by four hearts. Two are larger than the other two representing the adult and the child. Two are pink and the other two blue representing the masculine and feminine.
|
* Symbol widely accepted as associated to childlove and past movements.
|
* Already associated with a narrowly defined movement, hard to reproduce.
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Diagonal Stripes'''
|[[Image:Flag_Diagonal2.jpg|frame|center]]
|The tricolor diagonal stripes attempts to represent all aspects of CL. The color pink represents the feminine, blue for the masculine, and white both for the purity of these and for all those not included in the two categories of CL expression.
|
* Evolution on the tricolor design, more distinct and original.
* Simple to produce, and not affiliated with any symbolism that may cause conflict.
|
* May be too simple, stale or plain, not instantly recognizable as CL.
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Dolphin'''
|[[Image:Flag_Dolphin2.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Heart'''
|[[Image:Flag_Heart1.jpg|frame|center]]
|The heart is commonly associated with love, and for a long time has referred to the spiritual, emotional, moral, and intellectual core of the human being.
|
* Easily recognised universally as a sign of love
* Covers love from all beings and in all forms rather than restricting to defined parametres of acceptance
|
* May be too general; not unique to childlove
* The heart is slightly feminine and the GirlLove symbol uses hearts (as opposed to BoyLove's triangles).
|-
|align="center" | '''Phoenix'''
|[[Image:Flag_Phoenix3.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Rainbow'''
|[[Image:Flag_Rainbow1.jpg|frame|center]]
|The original Rainbow Flag was designed by the LGBT and has been used to convey one message: "diversity." The rainbow consists of many equal stripes of different colours across the visual spectrum, representing different individuals coming together harmoniously.
|
* Depicts similarity and relation to LGBT
* Buffs the message of "diversity" with more diversity
|
* Consists of many colours, making physical production more expensive
* May increase tension between LGBT and CL unless diplomatic solutions may be reached
* May be confused with LGBT, and not all CLs identify as homosexual
|-
|align="center" | '''Rectangles'''
|[[Image:Flag_Rectangles1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Ribbon'''
|[[Image:Flag_Ribbon2.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Sea Star'''
|[[Image:Flag_SeaStar13.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
* A new and recognizable symbolism that is not affiliated with CL's past, embraces new perspectives
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Star & Stripes'''
|[[Image:Flag_StarAndStripes1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Star Ribbon'''
|[[Image:Flag_StarRibbon1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Stuffed Bears'''
|[[Image:Flag_StuffedBears2.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Sun'''
|[[Image:Flag_Sun2.jpg|frame|center]]
|The Sun has long been revered as (one of) the most important entity in the world. It symbolises hope, power and the light of truth, sometimes being referred to as "the all-seeing."
|
* A new and recognizable symbolism that embraces new perspectives
* Simple design
|
* The symbolism may be too "child-like" and potentially not representative of older youth.
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Swirl'''
|[[Image:Flag_Greek2.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Taijitu'''
|[[Image:Flag_Taijitu.jpg|frame|center]]
|The Taijitu (literally "diagram of the supreme ultimate") is a well known Taoist symbol representing the principle of yin yang - seemingly opposing forces that are interconnected and interdependent in the natural world, giving rise to each other in turn.
|
|
* May be confused with traditional Taoist symbolism
* May cause the symbol to suffer the same fate as the swastika in the Western world
|-
|align="center" | '''Three Stripes'''
|[[Image:Flag_ThreeStripes1.jpg|frame|center]]
|The tricolor stripes attempts to represent all aspects of CL. The color pink represents the feminine, blue for the masculine, and white both for the purity of these and for all those not included in the two categories of CL expression.
|
* Simple to produce, and not affiliated with any symbolism that may cause conflict.
|
* May be too simple, stale or plain, not instantly recognizable as CL.
* Too similar to the flags of various countries, could lead to mistaken attribution.
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Triangles'''
|[[Image:Flag_Triangles1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
Incorporating the spectrum of colour used to convey diversity, one triangle inside another symbolises inter-generational relationships.
|
*The symbol stands alone and can be easily developed into a flag.
*One possibility is a pennant design with more balance than the image used here.
|
*The symbolism could be seen as excluding, stereotyping and undermining the sexuality of youths.
|}

===Variation Submissions===

Most of the concepts submitted already have two or more possible variations that the organisers will take into account when finalising the design.
<br style="clear: both;" />

<gallery>
Image:Flag_Diamond2.jpg|AmaroSymbol 2
Image:Flag_Diamond3.jpg|AmaroSymbol 3
Image:Flag_Biflag1.jpg|AmaroSymbol 4
Image:Flag_Diagonal1.jpg|Diagonal Stripes 2
Image:Flag_Diagonal3.jpg|Diagonal Stripes 3
Image:Flag_Dolphin1.jpg|Dolphin 2
Image:Flag_HeartCross1.jpg|Heart 2
Image:Flag_Heart3.jpg|Heart 3
Image:Flag_Heart4.jpg|Heart 4
Image:Flag_Phoenix1.jpg|Phoenix 1
Image:Flag_Phoenix2.jpg|Phoenix 2
Image:Flag_Phoenix3.jpg|Phoenix 3
Image:Flag_Phoenix4.jpg|Phoenix 4
Image:Flag_Phoenix5.jpg|Phoenix 5
Image:Flag_Phoenix6.jpg|Phoenix 6
Image:Flag_Rainbow2.jpg|Rainbow 2
Image:Flag_LGBTRainbowFlag.jpg|Rainbow 3
Image:Flag_Rectangles1.jpg|Rectangles 1
Image:Flag_Rectangles2.jpg|Rectangles 2
Image:Flag_Rectangles3.jpg|Rectangles 3
Image:Flag_Rectangles4.jpg|Rectangles 4
Image:Flag_Sea_Star1.jpg|Sea Star 2
Image:Flag_SeaStar2.jpg|Sea Star 3
Image:Flag_SeaStar3.jpg|Sea Star 4
Image:Flag_SeaStar4.jpg|Sea Star 5
Image:Flag_SeaStar5.jpg|Sea Star 6
Image:Flag_SeaStar6.jpg|Sea Star 7
Image:Flag_SeaStar7.jpg|Sea Star 8
Image:Flag_SeaStar8.jpg|Sea Star 9
Image:Flag_SeaStar9.jpg|Sea Star 10
Image:Flag_SeaStar10.jpg|Sea Star 11
Image:Flag_SeaStar11.jpg|Sea Star 12
Image:Flag_SeaStar12.jpg|Sea Star 13
Image:Flag_SeaStar14.jpg|Sea Star 14
Image:Flag_SeaStar15.jpg|Sea Star 15
Image:Flag_SeaStar16.jpg|Sea Star 16
Image:Flag_SeaStar17.jpg|Sea Star 17
Image:Flag_SeaStar18.jpg|Sea Star 18
Image:Flag_SeaStar19.jpg|Sea Star 19
Image:Flag_SeaStar20.jpg|Sea Star 20
Image:Flag_SeaStar21.jpg|Sea Star 21
Image:Flag_StuffedBears1.jpg|Stuffed Bears 2
Image:Flag_StuffedBears3.jpg|Stuffed Bears 3
Image:Flag_Sun1.jpg|Sun 2
Image:Flag_Sun3.jpg|Sun 3
Image:Flag_Greek1.jpg|Swirl 2
Image:Flag_Taijitu2.jpg|Taijitu 2
Image:Flag_Taijitu3.jpg|Taijitu 3
Image:Flag_Triflag1.jpg|Three Stripes 2
</gallery>

==Results==

The following online communities were, or will be consulted at each stage of the process:

*[[Ipce]]. Results:
*[[BoyChat]]. Results:
*[[GirlChat]] (annabelleigh.net). Results:
*[[Visions of Alice]]. Results:
*[[Littleboylover]]. Results:
*[[BoyLover.net]]. Results:
*[[BoyLove International Support Society]]. Results:
*[[BoyMoment]]. Results:

==The future==

'''1.''' It has been suggested that the chosen flag/sybmol be used in forming a new website/awareness campaign. This website could act as a community portal, displaying links to websites who add a prominent link to their own site, using an icon developed from the flag. Whilst the homepage would only list websites that champion a political cause, participant communities would still be linked from a second index. The idea is to improve political awareness and participation.

'''1a.''' It has also been suggested that a website as described above would be particularly useful for increasing and sharing media and public liaison with admins of participant sites. It would allow administrators to better understand and organise the discussions taking place within their community and with other parties. It is possible that an invitation-only private forum could be developed for such a purpose.

Flag proposal 2009

2009-03-14T03:32:07Z

Pantheadoros: Removed Multiflag making Biflag a variation of AmaroSymbol and Triflag a variation of Three Stripes.

A flag representing social movement for the understanding of erotic attractions and relationships involving youth and adults is currently being formed. Participants from the BL/GL communities and allies from non-oriented sites such as Newgon.com will use the flag (and the accompanying symbol, if viable) to spearhead the awareness campaign.

The '''Proposals Stage''' is nearing a conclusion, and the '''Voting Stage''' is next in line.

==Voting==

The submissions we have received are not final ideas, but concepts that will be worked on once they are chosen. In this sense, choosing a concept should be a matter of potential rather than superficial features (colour, finish, etc) of the blueprint. The concept will be chosen by a simple vote held on a number of related forums, with one vote and one reserve (tie-breaker) vote allocated to each registered screen name, and no one individual may vote on two or more different sites.

===Candidates===

These are the concepts which may be voted for. 

{| width="100%" cellspacing="0" border="1" style="table-layout: fixed;"
! width="12%" | Name
! width="25%" | Design
! width="21%" | Description
! width="21%" | Pros
! width="21%" | Cons
|-
|align="center" | '''Abstract'''
|[[Image:Flag_Abs1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''AmaroSymbol'''
|[[Image:Flag_Diamond1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
[[AP]]'s simple design was used extensively on his now offline websites, but rarely elsewhere. A diamond incorporating two equally sized triangles symbolises union between two divided groups of people. Here, we submit it for a community vote.
|
*This simple and attractive design is easy to reproduce, and builds upon existing themes.
|
*It lacks symbolism beyond existent social groups.
|-
|align="center" | '''CLogo'''
|[[Image:Flag_Butterfly1.jpg|frame|center]]
|The CLogo is a traditional childlove symbol. It depicts a butterfly whose wings are formed by four hearts. Two are larger than the other two representing the adult and the child. Two are pink and the other two blue representing the masculine and feminine.
|
* Symbol widely accepted as associated to childlove and past movements.
|
* Already associated with a narrowly defined movement, hard to reproduce.
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Diagonal Stripes'''
|[[Image:Flag_Diagonal2.jpg|frame|center]]
|The tricolor diagonal stripes attempts to represent all aspects of CL. The color pink represents the feminine, blue for the masculine, and white both for the purity of these and for all those not included in the two categories of CL expression.
|
* Evolution on the tricolor design, more distinct and original.
* Simple to produce, and not affiliated with any symbolism that may cause conflict.
|
* May be too simple, stale or plain, not instantly recognizable as CL.
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Dolphin'''
|[[Image:Flag_Dolphin2.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Heart'''
|[[Image:Flag_Heart1.jpg|frame|center]]
|The heart is commonly associated with love, and for a long time has referred to the spiritual, emotional, moral, and intellectual core of the human being.
|
* Easily recognised universally as a sign of love
* Covers love from all beings and in all forms rather than restricting to defined parametres of acceptance
|
* May be too general; not unique to childlove
* The heart is slightly feminine and the GirlLove symbol uses hearts (as opposed to BoyLove's triangles).
|-
|align="center" | '''Phoenix'''
|[[Image:Flag_Phoenix3.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Rainbow'''
|[[Image:Flag_Rainbow1.jpg|frame|center]]
|The original Rainbow Flag was designed by the LGBT and has been used to convey one message: "diversity." The rainbow consists of many equal stripes of different colours across the visual spectrum, representing different individuals coming together harmoniously.
|
* Depicts similarity and relation to LGBT
* Buffs the message of "diversity" with more diversity
|
* Consists of many colours, making physical production more expensive
* May increase tension between LGBT and CL unless diplomatic solutions may be reached
* May be confused with LGBT, and not all CLs identify as homosexual
|-
|align="center" | '''Rectangles'''
|[[Image:Flag_Rectangles1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Ribbon'''
|[[Image:Flag_Ribbon2.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Sea Star'''
|[[Image:Flag_SeaStar13.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
* A new and recognizable symbolism that is not affiliated with CL's past, embraces new perspectives
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Star & Stripes'''
|[[Image:Flag_StarAndStripes1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Star Ribbon'''
|[[Image:Flag_StarRibbon1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Stuffed Bears'''
|[[Image:Flag_StuffedBears2.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Sun'''
|[[Image:Flag_Sun2.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
* A new and recognizable symbolism that embraces new perspectives
* Still incorporates the colors currently representative of CL
* Simple to produce.
|
* The symbolism may be too "child-like" and potentially not representative of older youth.
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Swirl'''
|[[Image:Flag_Greek2.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Taijitu'''
|[[Image:Flag_Taijitu.jpg|frame|center]]
|The Taijitu (literally "diagram of the supreme ultimate") is a well known Taoist symbol representing the principle of yin yang - seemingly opposing forces that are interconnected and interdependent in the natural world, giving rise to each other in turn.
|
|
* May be confused with traditional Taoist symbolism
* May cause the symbol to suffer the same fate as the swastika in the Western world
|-
|align="center" | '''Three Stripes'''
|[[Image:Flag_ThreeStripes1.jpg|frame|center]]
|The tricolor stripes attempts to represent all aspects of CL. The color pink represents the feminine, blue for the masculine, and white both for the purity of these and for all those not included in the two categories of CL expression.
|
* Simple to produce, and not affiliated with any symbolism that may cause conflict.
|
* May be too simple, stale or plain, not instantly recognizable as CL.
* Too similar to the flags of various countries, could lead to mistaken attribution.
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Triangles'''
|[[Image:Flag_Triangles1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
Incorporating the spectrum of colour used to convey diversity, one triangle inside another symbolises inter-generational relationships.
|
*The symbol stands alone and can be easily developed into a flag.
*One possibility is a pennant design with more balance than the image used here.
|
*The symbolism could be seen as excluding, stereotyping and undermining the sexuality of youths.
|}

===Variation Submissions===

Most of the concepts submitted already have two or more possible variations that the organisers will take into account when finalising the design.
<br style="clear: both;" />

<gallery>
Image:Flag_Diamond2.jpg|AmaroSymbol 2
Image:Flag_Diamond3.jpg|AmaroSymbol 3
Image:Flag_Biflag1.jpg|AmaroSymbol 4
Image:Flag_Diagonal1.jpg|Diagonal Stripes 2
Image:Flag_Diagonal3.jpg|Diagonal Stripes 3
Image:Flag_Dolphin1.jpg|Dolphin 2
Image:Flag_HeartCross1.jpg|Heart 2
Image:Flag_Heart3.jpg|Heart 3
Image:Flag_Heart4.jpg|Heart 4
Image:Flag_Phoenix1.jpg|Phoenix 1
Image:Flag_Phoenix2.jpg|Phoenix 2
Image:Flag_Phoenix3.jpg|Phoenix 3
Image:Flag_Phoenix4.jpg|Phoenix 4
Image:Flag_Phoenix5.jpg|Phoenix 5
Image:Flag_Phoenix6.jpg|Phoenix 6
Image:Flag_Rainbow2.jpg|Rainbow 2
Image:Flag_LGBTRainbowFlag.jpg|Rainbow 3
Image:Flag_Rectangles1.jpg|Rectangles 1
Image:Flag_Rectangles2.jpg|Rectangles 2
Image:Flag_Rectangles3.jpg|Rectangles 3
Image:Flag_Rectangles4.jpg|Rectangles 4
Image:Flag_Sea_Star1.jpg|Sea Star 2
Image:Flag_SeaStar2.jpg|Sea Star 3
Image:Flag_SeaStar3.jpg|Sea Star 4
Image:Flag_SeaStar4.jpg|Sea Star 5
Image:Flag_SeaStar5.jpg|Sea Star 6
Image:Flag_SeaStar6.jpg|Sea Star 7
Image:Flag_SeaStar7.jpg|Sea Star 8
Image:Flag_SeaStar8.jpg|Sea Star 9
Image:Flag_SeaStar9.jpg|Sea Star 10
Image:Flag_SeaStar10.jpg|Sea Star 11
Image:Flag_SeaStar11.jpg|Sea Star 12
Image:Flag_SeaStar12.jpg|Sea Star 13
Image:Flag_SeaStar14.jpg|Sea Star 14
Image:Flag_SeaStar15.jpg|Sea Star 15
Image:Flag_SeaStar16.jpg|Sea Star 16
Image:Flag_SeaStar17.jpg|Sea Star 17
Image:Flag_SeaStar18.jpg|Sea Star 18
Image:Flag_SeaStar19.jpg|Sea Star 19
Image:Flag_SeaStar20.jpg|Sea Star 20
Image:Flag_SeaStar21.jpg|Sea Star 21
Image:Flag_StuffedBears1.jpg|Stuffed Bears 2
Image:Flag_StuffedBears3.jpg|Stuffed Bears 3
Image:Flag_Sun1.jpg|Sun 2
Image:Flag_Sun3.jpg|Sun 3
Image:Flag_Greek1.jpg|Swirl 2
Image:Flag_Taijitu2.jpg|Taijitu 2
Image:Flag_Taijitu3.jpg|Taijitu 3
Image:Flag_Triflag1.jpg|Three Stripes 2
</gallery>

==Results==

The following online communities were, or will be consulted at each stage of the process:

*[[Ipce]]. Results:
*[[BoyChat]]. Results:
*[[GirlChat]] (annabelleigh.net). Results:
*[[Visions of Alice]]. Results:
*[[Littleboylover]]. Results:
*[[BoyLover.net]]. Results:
*[[BoyLove International Support Society]]. Results:
*[[BoyMoment]]. Results:

==The future==

'''1.''' It has been suggested that the chosen flag/sybmol be used in forming a new website/awareness campaign. This website could act as a community portal, displaying links to websites who add a prominent link to their own site, using an icon developed from the flag. Whilst the homepage would only list websites that champion a political cause, participant communities would still be linked from a second index. The idea is to improve political awareness and participation.

'''1a.''' It has also been suggested that a website as described above would be particularly useful for increasing and sharing media and public liaison with admins of participant sites. It would allow administrators to better understand and organise the discussions taking place within their community and with other parties. It is possible that an invitation-only private forum could be developed for such a purpose.

Flag proposal 2009

2009-03-12T23:39:01Z

Pantheadoros: /* Candidates */

A flag representing social movement for the understanding of erotic attractions and relationships involving youth and adults is currently being formed. Participants from the BL/GL communities and allies from non-oriented sites such as Newgon.com will use the flag to spearhead the awareness campaign.

The '''Proposals Stage''' is nearing a conclusion, and the '''Voting Stage''' is next in line.

==Voting==

The submissions we have received are not final ideas, but concepts that will be worked on once they are chosen. In this sense, choosing a concept should be a matter of potential rather than superficial features (colour, finish, etc) of the blueprint. The concept will be chosen by a simple vote held on a number of related forums, with one vote and one reserve (tie-breaker) vote allocated to each registered screen name, and no one individual may vote on two or more different sites.

===Candidates===

These are the concepts which may be voted for. 

{| width="100%" cellspacing="0" border="1" style="table-layout: fixed;"
! width="12%" | Name
! width="25%" | Design
! width="21%" | Description
! width="21%" | Pros
! width="21%" | Cons
|-
|align="center" | '''Abstract'''
|[[Image:Flag_Abs1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''AmaroSymbol'''
|[[Image:Flag_Diamond1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
[[AP]]'s simple design was used extensively on his now offline websites, but rarely elsewhere. A diamond incorporating two equally sized triangles symbolises union between two divided groups of people. Here, we submit it for a community vote.
|
*This simple and attractive design is easy to reproduce, and builds upon existing themes.
|
*It lacks symbolism beyond existent social groups and may be seen as restricting discourse to said groups - almost entirely composed of adults.
|-
|align="center" | '''CLogo'''
|[[Image:Flag_Butterfly1.jpg|frame|center]]
|The CLogo is a traditional childlove symbol. It depicts a butterfly whose wings are formed by four hearts. Two are larger than the other two representing the adult and the child. Two are pink and the other two blue representing the masculine and feminine.
|
* Symbol widely accepted as associated to childlove and past movements.
|
* Already associated with a narrowly defined movement, hard to reproduce.
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Diagonal Stripes'''
|[[Image:Flag_Diagonal2.jpg|frame|center]]
|The tricolor diagonal stripes attempts to represent all aspects of CL. The color pink represents the feminine, blue for the masculine, and white both for the purity of these and for all those not included in the two categories of CL expression.
|
* Evolution on the tricolor design, more distinct and original.
* Simple to produce, and not affiliated with any symbolism that may cause conflict.
|
* May be too simple, stale or plain, not instantly recognizable as CL.
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Dolphin'''
|[[Image:Flag_Dolphin2.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Heart'''
|[[Image:Flag_Heart1.jpg|frame|center]]
|The heart is commonly associated with love, and for a long time has referred to the spiritual, emotional, moral, and intellectual core of the human being.
|
* Easily recognised universally as a sign of love
* Covers love from all beings and in all forms rather than restricting to defined parametres of acceptance
|
* May be too general; not unique to childlove
* The heart is slightly feminine and the GirlLove symbol uses hearts (as opposed to BoyLove's triangles).
|-
|align="center" | '''Multiflag'''
|[[Image:Flag_Biflag1.jpg|frame|center]]
|A possible 3d representation of the AmaroSymbol. Instead of having to choose a background color and assemble the flag thusly, it could simply be mounted by the spine, thus creating a double flag.
|
|
*It lacks symbolism beyond existent social groups and may be seen as restricting discourse to said groups - almost entirely composed of adults.
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Phoenix'''
|[[Image:Flag_Phoenix3.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Rainbow'''
|[[Image:Flag_Rainbow1.jpg|frame|center]]
|The original Rainbow Flag was designed by the LGBT and has been used to convey one message: "diversity." The rainbow consists of many equal stripes of different colours across the visual spectrum, representing different individuals coming together harmoniously.
|
* Depicts similarity and relation to LGBT
* Buffs the message of "diversity" with more diversity
|
* Consists of many colours, making physical production more expensive
* May increase tension between LGBT and CL unless diplomatic solutions may be reached
* May be confused with LGBT, and not all CLs identify as homosexual
|-
|align="center" | '''Rectangles'''
|[[Image:Flag_Rectangles1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Ribbon'''
|[[Image:Flag_Ribbon2.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Sea Star'''
|[[Image:Flag_SeaStar13.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
* A new and recognizable symbolism that is not affiliated with CL's past, embraces new perspectives
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Star & Stripes'''
|[[Image:Flag_StarAndStripes1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Star Ribbon'''
|[[Image:Flag_StarRibbon1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Stuffed Bears'''
|[[Image:Flag_StuffedBears2.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Sun'''
|[[Image:Flag_Sun2.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
* A new and recognizable symbolism that embraces new perspectives
* Still incorporates the colors currently representative of CL
* Simple to produce.
|
* The symbolism may be too "child-like" and potentially not representative of older youth.
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Swirl'''
|[[Image:Flag_Greek2.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Taijitu'''
|[[Image:Flag_Taijitu.jpg|frame|center]]
|The Taijitu (literally "diagram of the supreme ultimate") is a well known Taoist symbol representing the principle of yin yang - seemingly opposing forces that are interconnected and interdependent in the natural world, giving rise to each other in turn.
|
|
* May be confused with traditional Taoist symbolism
* May cause the symbol to suffer the same fate as the swastika in the Western world
|-
|align="center" | '''Three Stripes'''
|[[Image:Flag_ThreeStripes1.jpg|frame|center]]
|The tricolor stripes attempts to represent all aspects of CL. The color pink represents the feminine, blue for the masculine, and white both for the purity of these and for all those not included in the two categories of CL expression.
|
* Simple to produce, and not affiliated with any symbolism that may cause conflict.
|
* May be too simple, stale or plain, not instantly recognizable as CL.
* Too similar to the flags of various countries, could lead to mistaken attribution.
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Triangles'''
|[[Image:Flag_Triangles1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
Incorporating the spectrum of colour used to convey diversity, one triangle inside another symbolises inter-generational relationships.
|
*The symbol stands alone and can be easily developed into a flag.
*One possibility is a pennant design with more balance than the image used here.
|
*The symbolism could be seen as excluding, stereotyping and undermining the sexuality of youths.
|}

===Variation Submissions===

Most of the concepts submitted already have two or more possible variations that the organisers will take into account when finalising the design.
<br style="clear: both;" />

<gallery>
Image:Flag_Diamond2.jpg|AmaroSymbol 2
Image:Flag_Diamond3.jpg|AmaroSymbol 3
Image:Flag_Diagonal1.jpg|Diagonal Stripes 2
Image:Flag_Diagonal3.jpg|Diagonal Stripes 3
Image:Flag_Dolphin1.jpg|Dolphin 2
Image:Flag_HeartCross1.jpg|Heart 2
Image:Flag_Heart3.jpg|Heart 3
Image:Flag_Heart4.jpg|Heart 4
Image:Flag_Triflag1.jpg|Multiflag 2
Image:Flag_Phoenix1.jpg|Phoenix 1
Image:Flag_Phoenix2.jpg|Phoenix 2
Image:Flag_Phoenix3.jpg|Phoenix 3
Image:Flag_Phoenix4.jpg|Phoenix 4
Image:Flag_Phoenix5.jpg|Phoenix 5
Image:Flag_Phoenix6.jpg|Phoenix 6
Image:Flag_Rainbow2.jpg|Rainbow 2
Image:Flag_LGBTRainbowFlag.jpg|Rainbow 3
Image:Flag_Rectangles1.jpg|Rectangles 1
Image:Flag_Rectangles2.jpg|Rectangles 2
Image:Flag_Rectangles3.jpg|Rectangles 3
Image:Flag_Rectangles4.jpg|Rectangles 4
Image:Flag_Sea_Star1.jpg|Sea Star 2
Image:Flag_SeaStar2.jpg|Sea Star 3
Image:Flag_SeaStar3.jpg|Sea Star 4
Image:Flag_SeaStar4.jpg|Sea Star 5
Image:Flag_SeaStar5.jpg|Sea Star 6
Image:Flag_SeaStar6.jpg|Sea Star 7
Image:Flag_SeaStar7.jpg|Sea Star 8
Image:Flag_SeaStar8.jpg|Sea Star 9
Image:Flag_SeaStar9.jpg|Sea Star 10
Image:Flag_SeaStar10.jpg|Sea Star 11
Image:Flag_SeaStar11.jpg|Sea Star 12
Image:Flag_SeaStar12.jpg|Sea Star 13
Image:Flag_SeaStar14.jpg|Sea Star 14
Image:Flag_SeaStar15.jpg|Sea Star 15
Image:Flag_SeaStar16.jpg|Sea Star 16
Image:Flag_SeaStar17.jpg|Sea Star 17
Image:Flag_SeaStar18.jpg|Sea Star 18
Image:Flag_SeaStar19.jpg|Sea Star 19
Image:Flag_SeaStar20.jpg|Sea Star 20
Image:Flag_SeaStar21.jpg|Sea Star 21
Image:Flag_StuffedBears1.jpg|Stuffed Bears 2
Image:Flag_StuffedBears3.jpg|Stuffed Bears 3
Image:Flag_Sun1.jpg|Sun 2
Image:Flag_Sun3.jpg|Sun 3
Image:Flag_Greek1.jpg|Swirl 2
Image:Flag_Taijitu2.jpg|Taijitu 2
Image:Flag_Taijitu3.jpg|Taijitu 3
</gallery>

==Results==

The following online communities were, or will be consulted at each stage of the process:

*[[Ipce]]. Results:
*[[BoyChat]]. Results:
*[[GirlChat]] (annabelleigh.net). Results:
*[[Visions of Alice]]. Results:
*[[Littleboylover]]. Results:
*[[BoyLover.net]]. Results:
*[[BoyLove International Support Society]]. Results:
*[[BoyMoment]]. Results:

Flag proposal 2009

2009-03-11T19:50:03Z

Pantheadoros: /* Variation Submissions */ Swirl 2 moved to keep alphabetical order.

A flag representing the childlove movement is currently being formed. Childlovers and allies will use the flag to spearhead the awareness campaign.

The '''Proposals Stage''' is nearing a conclusion, and the '''Voting Stage''' is next in line.

==Voting==

The submissions we have received are not final ideas, but concepts that will be worked on once they are chosen. In this sense, choosing a concept should be a matter of potential rather than superficial features (colour, finish, etc) of the blueprint. The concept will be chosen by a simple vote held on a number of related forums, with one vote and one reserve (tie-breaker) vote allocated to each registered screen name, and no one individual may vote on two or more different sites.

===Candidates===

These are the concepts which may be voted for. 

{| width="100%" cellspacing="0" border="1" style="table-layout: fixed;"
! width="12%" | Name
! width="25%" | Design
! width="21%" | Description
! width="21%" | Pros
! width="21%" | Cons
|-
|align="center" | '''Abstract'''
|[[Image:Flag_Abs1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''AmaroSymbol'''
|[[Image:Flag_Diamond1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''CLogo'''
|[[Image:Flag_Butterfly1.jpg|frame|center]]
|The CLogo is a traditional childlove symbol. It depicts a butterfly whose wings are formed by four hearts. Two are larger than the other two representing the adult and the child. Two are pink and the other two blue representing the masculine and feminine.
|
* Symbol widely accepted as associated to childlove and past movements
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Diagonal Stripes'''
|[[Image:Flag_Diagonal2.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Dolphin'''
|[[Image:Flag_Dolphin2.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Heart'''
|[[Image:Flag_Heart1.jpg|frame|center]]
|The heart is commonly associated with love, and for a long time has referred to the spiritual, emotional, moral, and intellectual core of the human being.
|
* Easily recognised universally as a sign of love
* Covers love from all beings and in all forms rather than restricting to defined parametres of acceptance
|
* May be too general; not unique to childlove
|-
|align="center" | '''Multiflag'''
|[[Image:Flag_Biflag1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Phoenix'''
|[[Image:Flag_Phoenix3.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Rainbow'''
|[[Image:Flag_Rainbow1.jpg|frame|center]]
|The original Rainbow Flag was designed by the LGBT and has been used to convey one message: "diversity." The rainbow consists of many equal stripes of different colours across the visual spectrum, representing different individuals coming together harmoniously.
|
* Depicts similarity and relation to LGBT
* Buffs the message of "diversity" with more diversity
|
* Consists of many colours, making physical production more expensive
* May increase tension between LGBT and CL unless diplomatic solutions may be reached
|-
|align="center" | '''Rectangles'''
|[[Image:Flag_Rectangles1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Ribbon'''
|[[Image:Flag_Ribbon2.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Sea Star'''
|[[Image:Flag_SeaStar13.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Star & Stripes'''
|[[Image:Flag_StarAndStripes1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Star Ribbon'''
|[[Image:Flag_StarRibbon1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Stuffed Bears'''
|[[Image:Flag_StuffedBears2.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Sun'''
|[[Image:Flag_Sun2.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Swirl'''
|[[Image:Flag_Greek2.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Taijitu'''
|[[Image:Flag_Taijitu.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Three Stripes'''
|[[Image:Flag_ThreeStripes1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Triangles'''
|[[Image:Flag_Triangles1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|}

===Variation Submissions===

Most of the concepts submitted already have two or more possible variations that the organisers will take into account when finalising the design.
<br style="clear: both;" />

<gallery>
Image:Flag_Diamond2.jpg|AmaroSymbol 2
Image:Flag_Diamond3.jpg|AmaroSymbol 3
Image:Flag_Diagonal1.jpg|Diagonal Stripes 2
Image:Flag_Diagonal3.jpg|Diagonal Stripes 3
Image:Flag_Dolphin1.jpg|Dolphin 2
Image:Flag_HeartCross1.jpg|Heart 2
Image:Flag_Heart3.jpg|Heart 3
Image:Flag_Heart4.jpg|Heart 4
Image:Flag_Triflag1.jpg|Multiflag 2
Image:Flag_Phoenix1.jpg|Phoenix 1
Image:Flag_Phoenix2.jpg|Phoenix 2
Image:Flag_Phoenix3.jpg|Phoenix 3
Image:Flag_Phoenix4.jpg|Phoenix 4
Image:Flag_Phoenix5.jpg|Phoenix 5
Image:Flag_Phoenix6.jpg|Phoenix 6
Image:Flag_Rainbow2.jpg|Rainbow 2
Image:Flag_LGBTRainbowFlag.jpg|Rainbow 3
Image:Flag_Rectangles1.jpg|Rectangles 1
Image:Flag_Rectangles2.jpg|Rectangles 2
Image:Flag_Rectangles3.jpg|Rectangles 3
Image:Flag_Rectangles4.jpg|Rectangles 4
Image:Flag_Sea_Star1.jpg|Sea Star 2
Image:Flag_SeaStar2.jpg|Sea Star 3
Image:Flag_SeaStar3.jpg|Sea Star 4
Image:Flag_SeaStar4.jpg|Sea Star 5
Image:Flag_SeaStar5.jpg|Sea Star 6
Image:Flag_SeaStar6.jpg|Sea Star 7
Image:Flag_SeaStar7.jpg|Sea Star 8
Image:Flag_SeaStar8.jpg|Sea Star 9
Image:Flag_SeaStar9.jpg|Sea Star 10
Image:Flag_SeaStar10.jpg|Sea Star 11
Image:Flag_SeaStar11.jpg|Sea Star 12
Image:Flag_SeaStar12.jpg|Sea Star 13
Image:Flag_SeaStar14.jpg|Sea Star 14
Image:Flag_SeaStar15.jpg|Sea Star 15
Image:Flag_SeaStar16.jpg|Sea Star 16
Image:Flag_SeaStar17.jpg|Sea Star 17
Image:Flag_SeaStar18.jpg|Sea Star 18
Image:Flag_SeaStar19.jpg|Sea Star 19
Image:Flag_SeaStar20.jpg|Sea Star 20
Image:Flag_SeaStar21.jpg|Sea Star 21
Image:Flag_StuffedBears1.jpg|Stuffed Bears 2
Image:Flag_StuffedBears3.jpg|Stuffed Bears 3
Image:Flag_Sun1.jpg|Sun 2
Image:Flag_Sun3.jpg|Sun 3
Image:Flag_Greek1.jpg|Swirl 2
Image:Flag_Taijitu2.jpg|Taijitu 2
Image:Flag_Taijitu3.jpg|Taijitu 3
</gallery>

Flag proposal 2009

2009-03-11T19:48:49Z

Pantheadoros: /* Variation Submissions */ AmaroSymbol and Diagonal Stripes variations switched places for alphabetical order.

A flag representing the childlove movement is currently being formed. Childlovers and allies will use the flag to spearhead the awareness campaign.

The '''Proposals Stage''' is nearing a conclusion, and the '''Voting Stage''' is next in line.

==Voting==

The submissions we have received are not final ideas, but concepts that will be worked on once they are chosen. In this sense, choosing a concept should be a matter of potential rather than superficial features (colour, finish, etc) of the blueprint. The concept will be chosen by a simple vote held on a number of related forums, with one vote and one reserve (tie-breaker) vote allocated to each registered screen name, and no one individual may vote on two or more different sites.

===Candidates===

These are the concepts which may be voted for. 

{| width="100%" cellspacing="0" border="1" style="table-layout: fixed;"
! width="12%" | Name
! width="25%" | Design
! width="21%" | Description
! width="21%" | Pros
! width="21%" | Cons
|-
|align="center" | '''Abstract'''
|[[Image:Flag_Abs1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''AmaroSymbol'''
|[[Image:Flag_Diamond1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''CLogo'''
|[[Image:Flag_Butterfly1.jpg|frame|center]]
|The CLogo is a traditional childlove symbol. It depicts a butterfly whose wings are formed by four hearts. Two are larger than the other two representing the adult and the child. Two are pink and the other two blue representing the masculine and feminine.
|
* Symbol widely accepted as associated to childlove and past movements
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Diagonal Stripes'''
|[[Image:Flag_Diagonal2.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Dolphin'''
|[[Image:Flag_Dolphin2.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Heart'''
|[[Image:Flag_Heart1.jpg|frame|center]]
|The heart is commonly associated with love, and for a long time has referred to the spiritual, emotional, moral, and intellectual core of the human being.
|
* Easily recognised universally as a sign of love
* Covers love from all beings and in all forms rather than restricting to defined parametres of acceptance
|
* May be too general; not unique to childlove
|-
|align="center" | '''Multiflag'''
|[[Image:Flag_Biflag1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Phoenix'''
|[[Image:Flag_Phoenix3.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Rainbow'''
|[[Image:Flag_Rainbow1.jpg|frame|center]]
|The original Rainbow Flag was designed by the LGBT and has been used to convey one message: "diversity." The rainbow consists of many equal stripes of different colours across the visual spectrum, representing different individuals coming together harmoniously.
|
* Depicts similarity and relation to LGBT
* Buffs the message of "diversity" with more diversity
|
* Consists of many colours, making physical production more expensive
* May increase tension between LGBT and CL unless diplomatic solutions may be reached
|-
|align="center" | '''Rectangles'''
|[[Image:Flag_Rectangles1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Ribbon'''
|[[Image:Flag_Ribbon2.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Sea Star'''
|[[Image:Flag_SeaStar13.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Star & Stripes'''
|[[Image:Flag_StarAndStripes1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Star Ribbon'''
|[[Image:Flag_StarRibbon1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Stuffed Bears'''
|[[Image:Flag_StuffedBears2.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Sun'''
|[[Image:Flag_Sun2.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Swirl'''
|[[Image:Flag_Greek2.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Taijitu'''
|[[Image:Flag_Taijitu.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Three Stripes'''
|[[Image:Flag_ThreeStripes1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Triangles'''
|[[Image:Flag_Triangles1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|}

===Variation Submissions===

Most of the concepts submitted already have two or more possible variations that the organisers will take into account when finalising the design.
<br style="clear: both;" />

<gallery>
Image:Flag_Diamond2.jpg|AmaroSymbol 2
Image:Flag_Diamond3.jpg|AmaroSymbol 3
Image:Flag_Diagonal1.jpg|Diagonal Stripes 2
Image:Flag_Diagonal3.jpg|Diagonal Stripes 3
Image:Flag_Dolphin1.jpg|Dolphin 2
Image:Flag_Greek1.jpg|Swirl 2
Image:Flag_HeartCross1.jpg|Heart 2
Image:Flag_Heart3.jpg|Heart 3
Image:Flag_Heart4.jpg|Heart 4
Image:Flag_Triflag1.jpg|Multiflag 2
Image:Flag_Phoenix1.jpg|Phoenix 1
Image:Flag_Phoenix2.jpg|Phoenix 2
Image:Flag_Phoenix3.jpg|Phoenix 3
Image:Flag_Phoenix4.jpg|Phoenix 4
Image:Flag_Phoenix5.jpg|Phoenix 5
Image:Flag_Phoenix6.jpg|Phoenix 6
Image:Flag_Rainbow2.jpg|Rainbow 2
Image:Flag_LGBTRainbowFlag.jpg|Rainbow 3
Image:Flag_Rectangles1.jpg|Rectangles 1
Image:Flag_Rectangles2.jpg|Rectangles 2
Image:Flag_Rectangles3.jpg|Rectangles 3
Image:Flag_Rectangles4.jpg|Rectangles 4
Image:Flag_Sea_Star1.jpg|Sea Star 2
Image:Flag_SeaStar2.jpg|Sea Star 3
Image:Flag_SeaStar3.jpg|Sea Star 4
Image:Flag_SeaStar4.jpg|Sea Star 5
Image:Flag_SeaStar5.jpg|Sea Star 6
Image:Flag_SeaStar6.jpg|Sea Star 7
Image:Flag_SeaStar7.jpg|Sea Star 8
Image:Flag_SeaStar8.jpg|Sea Star 9
Image:Flag_SeaStar9.jpg|Sea Star 10
Image:Flag_SeaStar10.jpg|Sea Star 11
Image:Flag_SeaStar11.jpg|Sea Star 12
Image:Flag_SeaStar12.jpg|Sea Star 13
Image:Flag_SeaStar14.jpg|Sea Star 14
Image:Flag_SeaStar15.jpg|Sea Star 15
Image:Flag_SeaStar16.jpg|Sea Star 16
Image:Flag_SeaStar17.jpg|Sea Star 17
Image:Flag_SeaStar18.jpg|Sea Star 18
Image:Flag_SeaStar19.jpg|Sea Star 19
Image:Flag_SeaStar20.jpg|Sea Star 20
Image:Flag_SeaStar21.jpg|Sea Star 21
Image:Flag_StuffedBears1.jpg|Stuffed Bears 2
Image:Flag_StuffedBears3.jpg|Stuffed Bears 3
Image:Flag_Sun1.jpg|Sun 2
Image:Flag_Sun3.jpg|Sun 3
Image:Flag_Taijitu2.jpg|Taijitu 2
Image:Flag_Taijitu3.jpg|Taijitu 3
</gallery>

Flag proposal 2009

2009-03-11T19:47:24Z

Pantheadoros: /* Candidates */ Removed Abstract 2 on request of creator.

A flag representing the childlove movement is currently being formed. Childlovers and allies will use the flag to spearhead the awareness campaign.

The '''Proposals Stage''' is nearing a conclusion, and the '''Voting Stage''' is next in line.

==Voting==

The submissions we have received are not final ideas, but concepts that will be worked on once they are chosen. In this sense, choosing a concept should be a matter of potential rather than superficial features (colour, finish, etc) of the blueprint. The concept will be chosen by a simple vote held on a number of related forums, with one vote and one reserve (tie-breaker) vote allocated to each registered screen name, and no one individual may vote on two or more different sites.

===Candidates===

These are the concepts which may be voted for. 

{| width="100%" cellspacing="0" border="1" style="table-layout: fixed;"
! width="12%" | Name
! width="25%" | Design
! width="21%" | Description
! width="21%" | Pros
! width="21%" | Cons
|-
|align="center" | '''Abstract'''
|[[Image:Flag_Abs1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''AmaroSymbol'''
|[[Image:Flag_Diamond1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''CLogo'''
|[[Image:Flag_Butterfly1.jpg|frame|center]]
|The CLogo is a traditional childlove symbol. It depicts a butterfly whose wings are formed by four hearts. Two are larger than the other two representing the adult and the child. Two are pink and the other two blue representing the masculine and feminine.
|
* Symbol widely accepted as associated to childlove and past movements
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Diagonal Stripes'''
|[[Image:Flag_Diagonal2.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Dolphin'''
|[[Image:Flag_Dolphin2.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Heart'''
|[[Image:Flag_Heart1.jpg|frame|center]]
|The heart is commonly associated with love, and for a long time has referred to the spiritual, emotional, moral, and intellectual core of the human being.
|
* Easily recognised universally as a sign of love
* Covers love from all beings and in all forms rather than restricting to defined parametres of acceptance
|
* May be too general; not unique to childlove
|-
|align="center" | '''Multiflag'''
|[[Image:Flag_Biflag1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Phoenix'''
|[[Image:Flag_Phoenix3.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Rainbow'''
|[[Image:Flag_Rainbow1.jpg|frame|center]]
|The original Rainbow Flag was designed by the LGBT and has been used to convey one message: "diversity." The rainbow consists of many equal stripes of different colours across the visual spectrum, representing different individuals coming together harmoniously.
|
* Depicts similarity and relation to LGBT
* Buffs the message of "diversity" with more diversity
|
* Consists of many colours, making physical production more expensive
* May increase tension between LGBT and CL unless diplomatic solutions may be reached
|-
|align="center" | '''Rectangles'''
|[[Image:Flag_Rectangles1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Ribbon'''
|[[Image:Flag_Ribbon2.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Sea Star'''
|[[Image:Flag_SeaStar13.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Star & Stripes'''
|[[Image:Flag_StarAndStripes1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Star Ribbon'''
|[[Image:Flag_StarRibbon1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Stuffed Bears'''
|[[Image:Flag_StuffedBears2.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Sun'''
|[[Image:Flag_Sun2.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Swirl'''
|[[Image:Flag_Greek2.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Taijitu'''
|[[Image:Flag_Taijitu.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Three Stripes'''
|[[Image:Flag_ThreeStripes1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Triangles'''
|[[Image:Flag_Triangles1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|}

===Variation Submissions===

Most of the concepts submitted already have two or more possible variations that the organisers will take into account when finalising the design.
<br style="clear: both;" />

<gallery>
Image:Flag_Diagonal1.jpg|Diagonal Stripes 2
Image:Flag_Diagonal3.jpg|Diagonal Stripes 3
Image:Flag_Diamond2.jpg|AmaroSymbol 2
Image:Flag_Diamond3.jpg|AmaroSymbol 3
Image:Flag_Dolphin1.jpg|Dolphin 2
Image:Flag_Greek1.jpg|Swirl 2
Image:Flag_HeartCross1.jpg|Heart 2
Image:Flag_Heart3.jpg|Heart 3
Image:Flag_Heart4.jpg|Heart 4
Image:Flag_Triflag1.jpg|Multiflag 2
Image:Flag_Phoenix1.jpg|Phoenix 1
Image:Flag_Phoenix2.jpg|Phoenix 2
Image:Flag_Phoenix3.jpg|Phoenix 3
Image:Flag_Phoenix4.jpg|Phoenix 4
Image:Flag_Phoenix5.jpg|Phoenix 5
Image:Flag_Phoenix6.jpg|Phoenix 6
Image:Flag_Rainbow2.jpg|Rainbow 2
Image:Flag_LGBTRainbowFlag.jpg|Rainbow 3
Image:Flag_Rectangles1.jpg|Rectangles 1
Image:Flag_Rectangles2.jpg|Rectangles 2
Image:Flag_Rectangles3.jpg|Rectangles 3
Image:Flag_Rectangles4.jpg|Rectangles 4
Image:Flag_Sea_Star1.jpg|Sea Star 2
Image:Flag_SeaStar2.jpg|Sea Star 3
Image:Flag_SeaStar3.jpg|Sea Star 4
Image:Flag_SeaStar4.jpg|Sea Star 5
Image:Flag_SeaStar5.jpg|Sea Star 6
Image:Flag_SeaStar6.jpg|Sea Star 7
Image:Flag_SeaStar7.jpg|Sea Star 8
Image:Flag_SeaStar8.jpg|Sea Star 9
Image:Flag_SeaStar9.jpg|Sea Star 10
Image:Flag_SeaStar10.jpg|Sea Star 11
Image:Flag_SeaStar11.jpg|Sea Star 12
Image:Flag_SeaStar12.jpg|Sea Star 13
Image:Flag_SeaStar14.jpg|Sea Star 14
Image:Flag_SeaStar15.jpg|Sea Star 15
Image:Flag_SeaStar16.jpg|Sea Star 16
Image:Flag_SeaStar17.jpg|Sea Star 17
Image:Flag_SeaStar18.jpg|Sea Star 18
Image:Flag_SeaStar19.jpg|Sea Star 19
Image:Flag_SeaStar20.jpg|Sea Star 20
Image:Flag_SeaStar21.jpg|Sea Star 21
Image:Flag_StuffedBears1.jpg|Stuffed Bears 2
Image:Flag_StuffedBears3.jpg|Stuffed Bears 3
Image:Flag_Sun1.jpg|Sun 2
Image:Flag_Sun3.jpg|Sun 3
Image:Flag_Taijitu2.jpg|Taijitu 2
Image:Flag_Taijitu3.jpg|Taijitu 3
</gallery>

Flag proposal 2009

2009-03-09T11:48:26Z

Pantheadoros: /* Candidates */ Added some information to the table.

A flag representing the childlove movement is currently being formed. Childlovers and allies will use the flag to spearhead the awareness campaign.

The '''Proposals Stage''' is nearing a conclusion, and the '''Voting Stage''' is next in line.

==Voting==

The submissions we have received are not final ideas, but concepts that will be worked on once they are chosen. In this sense, choosing a concept should be a matter of potential rather than superficial features (colour, finish, etc) of the blueprint. The concept will be chosen by a simple vote held on a number of related forums, with one vote and one reserve (tie-breaker) vote allocated to each registered screen name, and no one individual may vote on two or more different sites.

===Candidates===

These are the concepts which may be voted for. 

{| width="100%" cellspacing="0" border="1" style="table-layout: fixed;"
! width="12%" | Name
! width="25%" | Design
! width="21%" | Description
! width="21%" | Pros
! width="21%" | Cons
|-
|align="center" | '''Abstract 1'''
|[[Image:Flag_Abs1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Abstract 2'''
|[[Image:Flag_Labour1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''AmaroSymbol'''
|[[Image:Flag_Diamond1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''CLogo'''
|[[Image:Flag_Butterfly1.jpg|frame|center]]
|The CLogo is a traditional childlove symbol. It depicts a butterfly whose wings are formed by four hearts. Two are larger than the other two representing the adult and the child. Two are pink and the other two blue representing the masculine and feminine.
|
* Symbol widely accepted as associated to childlove and past movements
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Diagonal Stripes'''
|[[Image:Flag_Diagonal2.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Dolphin'''
|[[Image:Flag_Dolphin2.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Heart'''
|[[Image:Flag_Heart1.jpg|frame|center]]
|The heart is commonly associated with love, and for a long time has referred to the spiritual, emotional, moral, and intellectual core of the human being.
|
* Easily recognised universally as a sign of love
* Covers love from all beings and in all forms rather than restricting to defined parametres of acceptance
|
* May be too general; not unique to childlove
|-
|align="center" | '''Multiflag'''
|[[Image:Flag_Biflag1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Phoenix'''
|[[Image:Flag_Phoenix3.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Rainbow'''
|[[Image:Flag_Rainbow1.jpg|frame|center]]
|The original Rainbow Flag was designed by the LGBT and has been used to convey one message: "diversity." The rainbow consists of many equal stripes of different colours across the visual spectrum, representing different individuals coming together harmoniously.
|
* Depicts similarity and relation to LGBT
* Buffs the message of "diversity" with more diversity
|
* Consists of many colours, making physical production more expensive
* May increase tension between LGBT and CL unless diplomatic solutions may be reached
|-
|align="center" | '''Rectangles'''
|[[Image:Flag_Rectangles1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Ribbon'''
|[[Image:Flag_Ribbon2.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Sea Star'''
|[[Image:Flag_SeaStar13.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Star & Stripes'''
|[[Image:Flag_StarAndStripes1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Star Ribbon'''
|[[Image:Flag_StarRibbon1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Stuffed Bears'''
|[[Image:Flag_StuffedBears2.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
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|-
|align="center" | '''Sun'''
|[[Image:Flag_Sun2.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
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|-
|align="center" | '''Swirl'''
|[[Image:Flag_Greek2.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Taijitu'''
|[[Image:Flag_Taijitu.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Three Stripes'''
|[[Image:Flag_ThreeStripes1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Triangles'''
|[[Image:Flag_Triangles1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|}

===Variation Submissions===

Most of the concepts submitted already have two or more possible variations that the organisers will take into account when finalising the design.
<br style="clear: both;" />

<gallery>
Image:Flag_Diagonal1.jpg|Diagonal Stripes 2
Image:Flag_Diagonal3.jpg|Diagonal Stripes 3
Image:Flag_Diamond2.jpg|AmaroSymbol 2
Image:Flag_Diamond3.jpg|AmaroSymbol 3
Image:Flag_Dolphin1.jpg|Dolphin 2
Image:Flag_Greek1.jpg|Swirl 2
Image:Flag_HeartCross1.jpg|Heart 2
Image:Flag_Heart3.jpg|Heart 3
Image:Flag_Heart4.jpg|Heart 4
Image:Flag_Triflag1.jpg|Multiflag 2
Image:Flag_Phoenix1.jpg|Phoenix 1
Image:Flag_Phoenix2.jpg|Phoenix 2
Image:Flag_Phoenix3.jpg|Phoenix 3
Image:Flag_Phoenix4.jpg|Phoenix 4
Image:Flag_Phoenix5.jpg|Phoenix 5
Image:Flag_Phoenix6.jpg|Phoenix 6
Image:Flag_Rainbow2.jpg|Rainbow 2
Image:Flag_LGBTRainbowFlag.jpg|Rainbow 3
Image:Flag_Rectangles1.jpg|Rectangles 1
Image:Flag_Rectangles2.jpg|Rectangles 2
Image:Flag_Rectangles3.jpg|Rectangles 3
Image:Flag_Rectangles4.jpg|Rectangles 4
Image:Flag_Sea_Star1.jpg|Sea Star 2
Image:Flag_SeaStar2.jpg|Sea Star 3
Image:Flag_SeaStar3.jpg|Sea Star 4
Image:Flag_SeaStar4.jpg|Sea Star 5
Image:Flag_SeaStar5.jpg|Sea Star 6
Image:Flag_SeaStar6.jpg|Sea Star 7
Image:Flag_SeaStar7.jpg|Sea Star 8
Image:Flag_SeaStar8.jpg|Sea Star 9
Image:Flag_SeaStar9.jpg|Sea Star 10
Image:Flag_SeaStar10.jpg|Sea Star 11
Image:Flag_SeaStar11.jpg|Sea Star 12
Image:Flag_SeaStar12.jpg|Sea Star 13
Image:Flag_SeaStar14.jpg|Sea Star 14
Image:Flag_SeaStar15.jpg|Sea Star 15
Image:Flag_SeaStar16.jpg|Sea Star 16
Image:Flag_SeaStar17.jpg|Sea Star 17
Image:Flag_SeaStar18.jpg|Sea Star 18
Image:Flag_SeaStar19.jpg|Sea Star 19
Image:Flag_SeaStar20.jpg|Sea Star 20
Image:Flag_SeaStar21.jpg|Sea Star 21
Image:Flag_StuffedBears1.jpg|Stuffed Bears 2
Image:Flag_StuffedBears3.jpg|Stuffed Bears 3
Image:Flag_Sun1.jpg|Sun 2
Image:Flag_Sun3.jpg|Sun 3
Image:Flag_Taijitu2.jpg|Taijitu 2
Image:Flag_Taijitu3.jpg|Taijitu 3
</gallery>

Flag proposal 2009

2009-03-05T22:58:47Z

Pantheadoros: Polyflag->Multiflag for consistency with Latin prefixes

A flag representing the childlove movement is currently being formed. Childlovers and allies will use the flag to spearhead the awareness campaign.

The '''Proposals Stage''' is nearing a conclusion, and the '''Voting Stage''' is next in line.

==Voting==

The submissions we have received are not final ideas, but concepts that will be worked on once they are chosen. In this sense, choosing a concept should be a matter of potential rather than superficial features (colour, finish, etc) of the blueprint. The concept will be chosen by a simple vote held on a number of related forums, with one vote and one reserve (tie-breaker) vote allocated to each registered screen name, and no one individual may vote on two or more different sites.

===Candidates===

These are the concepts which may be voted for.



{| width="100%" cellspacing="0" border="1" style="table-layout: fixed;"
! width="14%" | Name
! width="25%" | Design
! width="21%" | Description
! width="21%" | Pros
! width="21%" | Cons
|-
|align="center" | '''Abstract 1'''
|[[Image:Flag_Abs1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Abstract 2'''
|[[Image:Flag_Labour1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''AmaroSymbol'''
|[[Image:Flag_Diamond1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''CLogo'''
|[[Image:Flag_Butterfly1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Diagonal Stripes'''
|[[Image:Flag_Diagonal2.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Dolphin'''
|[[Image:Flag_Dolphin2.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Heart'''
|[[Image:Flag_Heart1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Multiflag'''
|[[Image:Flag_Biflag1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Phoenix'''
|[[Image:Flag_Phoenix3.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Rainbow'''
|[[Image:Flag_Rainbow1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Rectangles'''
|[[Image:Flag_Rectangles1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Ribbon'''
|[[Image:Flag_Ribbon2.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Sea Star'''
|[[Image:Flag_SeaStar13.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Star & Stripes'''
|[[Image:Flag_StarAndStripes1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Star Ribbon'''
|[[Image:Flag_StarRibbon1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Stuffed Bears'''
|[[Image:Flag_StuffedBears2.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Sun'''
|[[Image:Flag_Sun2.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Swirl'''
|[[Image:Flag_Greek2.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Taijitu'''
|[[Image:Flag_Taijitu.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Three Stripes'''
|[[Image:Flag_ThreeStripes1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Triangles'''
|[[Image:Flag_Triangles1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|}

===Variation Submissions===

Most of the concepts submitted already have two or more possible variations that the organisers will take into account when finalising the design.
<br style="clear: both;" />

<gallery>
Image:Flag_Diagonal1.jpg|Diagonal Stripes 2
Image:Flag_Diagonal3.jpg|Diagonal Stripes 3
Image:Flag_Diamond2.jpg|AmaroSymbol 2
Image:Flag_Diamond3.jpg|AmaroSymbol 3
Image:Flag_Dolphin1.jpg|Dolphin 2
Image:Flag_Greek1.jpg|Swirl 2
Image:Flag_HeartCross1.jpg|Heart 2
Image:Flag_Heart3.jpg|Heart 3
Image:Flag_Heart4.jpg|Heart 4
Image:Flag_Triflag1.jpg|Multiflag 2
Image:Flag_Phoenix1.jpg|Phoenix 1
Image:Flag_Phoenix2.jpg|Phoenix 2
Image:Flag_Phoenix3.jpg|Phoenix 3
Image:Flag_Phoenix4.jpg|Phoenix 4
Image:Flag_Phoenix5.jpg|Phoenix 5
Image:Flag_Phoenix6.jpg|Phoenix 6
Image:Flag_Rainbow2.jpg|Rainbow 2
Image:Flag_LGBTRainbowFlag.jpg|Rainbow 3
Image:Flag_Rectangles1.jpg|Rectangles 1
Image:Flag_Rectangles2.jpg|Rectangles 2
Image:Flag_Rectangles3.jpg|Rectangles 3
Image:Flag_Rectangles4.jpg|Rectangles 4
Image:Flag_Sea_Star1.jpg|Sea Star 2
Image:Flag_SeaStar2.jpg|Sea Star 3
Image:Flag_SeaStar3.jpg|Sea Star 4
Image:Flag_SeaStar4.jpg|Sea Star 5
Image:Flag_SeaStar5.jpg|Sea Star 6
Image:Flag_SeaStar6.jpg|Sea Star 7
Image:Flag_SeaStar7.jpg|Sea Star 8
Image:Flag_SeaStar8.jpg|Sea Star 9
Image:Flag_SeaStar9.jpg|Sea Star 10
Image:Flag_SeaStar10.jpg|Sea Star 11
Image:Flag_SeaStar11.jpg|Sea Star 12
Image:Flag_SeaStar12.jpg|Sea Star 13
Image:Flag_SeaStar14.jpg|Sea Star 14
Image:Flag_SeaStar15.jpg|Sea Star 15
Image:Flag_SeaStar16.jpg|Sea Star 16
Image:Flag_SeaStar17.jpg|Sea Star 17
Image:Flag_SeaStar18.jpg|Sea Star 18
Image:Flag_SeaStar19.jpg|Sea Star 19
Image:Flag_SeaStar20.jpg|Sea Star 20
Image:Flag_SeaStar21.jpg|Sea Star 21
Image:Flag_StuffedBears1.jpg|Stuffed Bears 2
Image:Flag_StuffedBears3.jpg|Stuffed Bears 3
Image:Flag_Sun1.jpg|Sun 2
Image:Flag_Sun3.jpg|Sun 3
Image:Flag_Taijitu2.jpg|Taijitu 2
Image:Flag_Taijitu3.jpg|Taijitu 3
</gallery>

Flag proposal 2009

2009-03-05T22:11:29Z

Pantheadoros: Heart Cross moved into Heart category

A flag representing the childlove movement is currently being formed. Childlovers and allies will use the flag to spearhead the awareness campaign.

The '''Proposals Stage''' is nearing a conclusion, and the '''Voting Stage''' is next in line.

==Voting==

The submissions we have received are not final ideas, but concepts that will be worked on once they are chosen. In this sense, choosing a concept should be a matter of potential rather than superficial features (colour, finish, etc) of the blueprint. The concept will be chosen by a simple vote held on a number of related forums, with one vote and one reserve (tie-breaker) vote allocated to each registered screen name, and no one individual may vote on two or more different sites.

===Candidates===

These are the concepts which may be voted for.



{| width="100%" cellspacing="0" border="1" style="table-layout: fixed;"
! width="11%" | Name
! width="25%" | Design
! width="22%" | Description
! width="22%" | Pros
! width="22%" | Cons
|-
|align="center" | '''Abstract 1'''
|[[Image:Flag_Abs1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Abstract 2'''
|[[Image:Flag_Labour1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Amaro'''
|[[Image:Flag_Diamond1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''CLogo'''
|[[Image:Flag_Butterfly1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Diagonal Stripes'''
|[[Image:Flag_Diagonal2.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Dolphin'''
|[[Image:Flag_Dolphin2.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Heart'''
|[[Image:Flag_Heart1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Polyflag'''
|[[Image:Flag_Biflag1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Phoenix'''
|[[Image:Flag_Phoenix3.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Rainbow'''
|[[Image:Flag_Rainbow1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Rectangles'''
|[[Image:Flag_Rectangles1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Ribbon'''
|[[Image:Flag_Ribbon2.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Sea Star'''
|[[Image:Flag_SeaStar13.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Star & Stripes'''
|[[Image:Flag_StarAndStripes1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Star Ribbon'''
|[[Image:Flag_StarRibbon1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Stuffed Bears'''
|[[Image:Flag_StuffedBears2.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Sun'''
|[[Image:Flag_Sun2.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Swirl'''
|[[Image:Flag_Greek2.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Taijitu'''
|[[Image:Flag_Taijitu.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Three Stripes'''
|[[Image:Flag_ThreeStripes1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Triangles'''
|[[Image:Flag_Triangles1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|}

===Variation Submissions===

Most of the concepts submitted already have two or more possible variations that the organisers will take into account when finalising the design.
<br style="clear: both;" />

<gallery>
Image:Flag_Diagonal1.jpg|Diagonal Stripes 2
Image:Flag_Diagonal3.jpg|Diagonal Stripes 3
Image:Flag_Diamond2.jpg|Amaro 2
Image:Flag_Diamond3.jpg|Amaro 3
Image:Flag_Dolphin1.jpg|Dolphin 2
Image:Flag_Greek1.jpg|Swirl 2
Image:Flag_HeartCross1.jpg|Heart 2
Image:Flag_Heart3.jpg|Heart 3
Image:Flag_Heart4.jpg|Heart 4
Image:Flag_Phoenix1.jpg|Phoenix 1
Image:Flag_Phoenix2.jpg|Phoenix 2
Image:Flag_Phoenix3.jpg|Phoenix 3
Image:Flag_Phoenix4.jpg|Phoenix 4
Image:Flag_Phoenix5.jpg|Phoenix 5
Image:Flag_Phoenix6.jpg|Phoenix 6
Image:Flag_Triflag1.jpg|Polyflag 2
Image:Flag_Rainbow2.jpg|Rainbow 2
Image:Flag_LGBTRainbowFlag.jpg|Rainbow 3
Image:Flag_Rectangles1.jpg|Rectangles 1
Image:Flag_Rectangles2.jpg|Rectangles 2
Image:Flag_Rectangles3.jpg|Rectangles 3
Image:Flag_Rectangles4.jpg|Rectangles 4
Image:Flag_Sea_Star1.jpg|Sea Star 2
Image:Flag_SeaStar2.jpg|Sea Star 3
Image:Flag_SeaStar3.jpg|Sea Star 4
Image:Flag_SeaStar4.jpg|Sea Star 5
Image:Flag_SeaStar5.jpg|Sea Star 6
Image:Flag_SeaStar6.jpg|Sea Star 7
Image:Flag_SeaStar7.jpg|Sea Star 8
Image:Flag_SeaStar8.jpg|Sea Star 9
Image:Flag_SeaStar9.jpg|Sea Star 10
Image:Flag_SeaStar10.jpg|Sea Star 11
Image:Flag_SeaStar11.jpg|Sea Star 12
Image:Flag_SeaStar12.jpg|Sea Star 13
Image:Flag_SeaStar14.jpg|Sea Star 14
Image:Flag_SeaStar15.jpg|Sea Star 15
Image:Flag_SeaStar16.jpg|Sea Star 16
Image:Flag_SeaStar17.jpg|Sea Star 17
Image:Flag_SeaStar18.jpg|Sea Star 18
Image:Flag_SeaStar19.jpg|Sea Star 19
Image:Flag_SeaStar20.jpg|Sea Star 20
Image:Flag_SeaStar21.jpg|Sea Star 21
Image:Flag_StuffedBears1.jpg|Stuffed Bears 2
Image:Flag_StuffedBears3.jpg|Stuffed Bears 3
Image:Flag_Sun1.jpg|Sun 2
Image:Flag_Sun3.jpg|Sun 3
Image:Flag_Taijitu2.jpg|Taijitu 2
Image:Flag_Taijitu3.jpg|Taijitu 3
</gallery>

Flag proposal 2009

2009-03-05T22:02:55Z

Pantheadoros: /* Variation Submissions */ Added Flag_Sun1.jpg as Sun 2 and Flag_Sun3.jpg as Sun 3

A flag representing the childlove movement is currently being formed. Childlovers and allies will use the flag to spearhead the awareness campaign.

The '''Proposals Stage''' is nearing a conclusion, and the '''Voting Stage''' is next in line.

==Voting==

The submissions we have received are not final ideas, but concepts that will be worked on once they are chosen. In this sense, choosing a concept should be a matter of potential rather than superficial features (colour, finish, etc) of the blueprint. The concept will be chosen by a simple vote held on a number of related forums, with one vote and one reserve (tie-breaker) vote allocated to each registered screen name, and no one individual may vote on two or more different sites.

===Candidates===

These are the concepts which may be voted for.



{| width="100%" cellspacing="0" border="1" style="table-layout: fixed;"
! width="11%" | Name
! width="25%" | Design
! width="22%" | Description
! width="22%" | Pros
! width="22%" | Cons
|-
|align="center" | '''Abstract 1'''
|[[Image:Flag_Abs1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Abstract 2'''
|[[Image:Flag_Labour1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Amaro'''
|[[Image:Flag_Diamond1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''CLogo'''
|[[Image:Flag_Butterfly1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Diagonal Stripes'''
|[[Image:Flag_Diagonal2.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Dolphin'''
|[[Image:Flag_Dolphin2.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Heart'''
|[[Image:Flag_Heart1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Heart Cross'''
|[[Image:Flag_HeartCross1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Polyflag'''
|[[Image:Flag_Biflag1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Phoenix'''
|[[Image:Flag_Phoenix3.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Rainbow'''
|[[Image:Flag_Rainbow1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Rectangles'''
|[[Image:Flag_Rectangles1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Ribbon'''
|[[Image:Flag_Ribbon2.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Sea Star'''
|[[Image:Flag_SeaStar13.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Star & Stripes'''
|[[Image:Flag_StarAndStripes1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Star Ribbon'''
|[[Image:Flag_StarRibbon1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Stuffed Bears'''
|[[Image:Flag_StuffedBears2.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Sun'''
|[[Image:Flag_Sun2.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Swirl'''
|[[Image:Flag_Greek2.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Taijitu'''
|[[Image:Flag_Taijitu.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Three Stripes'''
|[[Image:Flag_ThreeStripes1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Triangles'''
|[[Image:Flag_Triangles1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|}

===Variation Submissions===

Most of the concepts submitted already have two or more possible variations that the organisers will take into account when finalising the design.
<br style="clear: both;" />

<gallery>
Image:Flag_Diagonal1.jpg|Diagonal Stripes 2
Image:Flag_Diagonal3.jpg|Diagonal Stripes 3
Image:Flag_Diamond2.jpg|Amaro 2
Image:Flag_Diamond3.jpg|Amaro 3
Image:Flag_Dolphin1.jpg|Dolphin 2
Image:Flag_Greek1.jpg|Swirl 2
Image:Flag_Heart3.jpg|Heart with Stripes 1
Image:Flag_Heart4.jpg|Heart with Stripes 2
Image:Flag_Phoenix1.jpg|Phoenix 1
Image:Flag_Phoenix2.jpg|Phoenix 2
Image:Flag_Phoenix3.jpg|Phoenix 3
Image:Flag_Phoenix4.jpg|Phoenix 4
Image:Flag_Phoenix5.jpg|Phoenix 5
Image:Flag_Phoenix6.jpg|Phoenix 6
Image:Flag_Triflag1.jpg|Polyflag 2
Image:Flag_Rainbow2.jpg|Rainbow 2
Image:Flag_LGBTRainbowFlag.jpg|Rainbow 3
Image:Flag_Rectangles1.jpg|Rectangles 1
Image:Flag_Rectangles2.jpg|Rectangles 2
Image:Flag_Rectangles3.jpg|Rectangles 3
Image:Flag_Rectangles4.jpg|Rectangles 4
Image:Flag_Sea_Star1.jpg|Sea Star 2
Image:Flag_SeaStar2.jpg|Sea Star 3
Image:Flag_SeaStar3.jpg|Sea Star 4
Image:Flag_SeaStar4.jpg|Sea Star 5
Image:Flag_SeaStar5.jpg|Sea Star 6
Image:Flag_SeaStar6.jpg|Sea Star 7
Image:Flag_SeaStar7.jpg|Sea Star 8
Image:Flag_SeaStar8.jpg|Sea Star 9
Image:Flag_SeaStar9.jpg|Sea Star 10
Image:Flag_SeaStar10.jpg|Sea Star 11
Image:Flag_SeaStar11.jpg|Sea Star 12
Image:Flag_SeaStar12.jpg|Sea Star 13
Image:Flag_SeaStar14.jpg|Sea Star 14
Image:Flag_SeaStar15.jpg|Sea Star 15
Image:Flag_SeaStar16.jpg|Sea Star 16
Image:Flag_SeaStar17.jpg|Sea Star 17
Image:Flag_SeaStar18.jpg|Sea Star 18
Image:Flag_SeaStar19.jpg|Sea Star 19
Image:Flag_SeaStar20.jpg|Sea Star 20
Image:Flag_SeaStar21.jpg|Sea Star 21
Image:Flag_StuffedBears1.jpg|Stuffed Bears 2
Image:Flag_StuffedBears3.jpg|Stuffed Bears 3
Image:Flag_Sun1.jpg|Sun 2
Image:Flag_Sun3.jpg|Sun 3
Image:Flag_Taijitu2.jpg|Taijitu 2
Image:Flag_Taijitu3.jpg|Taijitu 3
</gallery>

Flag proposal 2009

2009-03-05T21:59:22Z

Pantheadoros:

A flag representing the childlove movement is currently being formed. Childlovers and allies will use the flag to spearhead the awareness campaign.

The '''Proposals Stage''' is nearing a conclusion, and the '''Voting Stage''' is next in line.

==Voting==

The submissions we have received are not final ideas, but concepts that will be worked on once they are chosen. In this sense, choosing a concept should be a matter of potential rather than superficial features (colour, finish, etc) of the blueprint. The concept will be chosen by a simple vote held on a number of related forums, with one vote and one reserve (tie-breaker) vote allocated to each registered screen name, and no one individual may vote on two or more different sites.

===Candidates===

These are the concepts which may be voted for.



{| width="100%" cellspacing="0" border="1" style="table-layout: fixed;"
! width="11%" | Name
! width="25%" | Design
! width="22%" | Description
! width="22%" | Pros
! width="22%" | Cons
|-
|align="center" | '''Abstract 1'''
|[[Image:Flag_Abs1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Abstract 2'''
|[[Image:Flag_Labour1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Amaro'''
|[[Image:Flag_Diamond1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''CLogo'''
|[[Image:Flag_Butterfly1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Diagonal Stripes'''
|[[Image:Flag_Diagonal2.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Dolphin'''
|[[Image:Flag_Dolphin2.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Heart'''
|[[Image:Flag_Heart1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Heart Cross'''
|[[Image:Flag_HeartCross1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Polyflag'''
|[[Image:Flag_Biflag1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Phoenix'''
|[[Image:Flag_Phoenix3.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Rainbow'''
|[[Image:Flag_Rainbow1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Rectangles'''
|[[Image:Flag_Rectangles1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Ribbon'''
|[[Image:Flag_Ribbon2.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Sea Star'''
|[[Image:Flag_SeaStar13.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Star & Stripes'''
|[[Image:Flag_StarAndStripes1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Star Ribbon'''
|[[Image:Flag_StarRibbon1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Stuffed Bears'''
|[[Image:Flag_StuffedBears2.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Sun'''
|[[Image:Flag_Sun2.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Swirl'''
|[[Image:Flag_Greek2.jpg|frame|center]]
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|
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|-
|align="center" | '''Taijitu'''
|[[Image:Flag_Taijitu.jpg|frame|center]]
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|-
|align="center" | '''Three Stripes'''
|[[Image:Flag_ThreeStripes1.jpg|frame|center]]
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|-
|align="center" | '''Triangles'''
|[[Image:Flag_Triangles1.jpg|frame|center]]
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|}

===Variation Submissions===

Most of the concepts submitted already have two or more possible variations that the organisers will take into account when finalising the design.
<br style="clear: both;" />

<gallery>
Image:Flag_Diagonal1.jpg|Diagonal Stripes 2
Image:Flag_Diagonal3.jpg|Diagonal Stripes 3
Image:Flag_Diamond2.jpg|Amaro 2
Image:Flag_Diamond3.jpg|Amaro 3
Image:Flag_Dolphin1.jpg|Dolphin 2
Image:Flag_Greek1.jpg|Swirl 2
Image:Flag_Heart3.jpg|Heart with Stripes 1
Image:Flag_Heart4.jpg|Heart with Stripes 2
Image:Flag_SameSex1.jpg|Homosexuality
Image:Flag_Phoenix1.jpg|Phoenix 1
Image:Flag_Phoenix2.jpg|Phoenix 2
Image:Flag_Phoenix3.jpg|Phoenix 3
Image:Flag_Phoenix4.jpg|Phoenix 4
Image:Flag_Phoenix5.jpg|Phoenix 5
Image:Flag_Phoenix6.jpg|Phoenix 6
Image:Flag_Triflag1.jpg|Polyflag 2
Image:Flag_Rainbow2.jpg|Rainbow 2
Image:Flag_LGBTRainbowFlag.jpg|Rainbow 3
Image:Flag_Rectangles1.jpg|Rectangles 1
Image:Flag_Rectangles2.jpg|Rectangles 2
Image:Flag_Rectangles3.jpg|Rectangles 3
Image:Flag_Rectangles4.jpg|Rectangles 4
Image:Flag_Sea_Star1.jpg|Sea Star 2
Image:Flag_SeaStar2.jpg|Sea Star 3
Image:Flag_SeaStar3.jpg|Sea Star 4
Image:Flag_SeaStar4.jpg|Sea Star 5
Image:Flag_SeaStar5.jpg|Sea Star 6
Image:Flag_SeaStar6.jpg|Sea Star 7
Image:Flag_SeaStar7.jpg|Sea Star 8
Image:Flag_SeaStar8.jpg|Sea Star 9
Image:Flag_SeaStar9.jpg|Sea Star 10
Image:Flag_SeaStar10.jpg|Sea Star 11
Image:Flag_SeaStar11.jpg|Sea Star 12
Image:Flag_SeaStar12.jpg|Sea Star 13
Image:Flag_SeaStar14.jpg|Sea Star 14
Image:Flag_SeaStar15.jpg|Sea Star 15
Image:Flag_SeaStar16.jpg|Sea Star 16
Image:Flag_SeaStar17.jpg|Sea Star 17
Image:Flag_SeaStar18.jpg|Sea Star 18
Image:Flag_SeaStar19.jpg|Sea Star 19
Image:Flag_SeaStar20.jpg|Sea Star 20
Image:Flag_SeaStar21.jpg|Sea Star 21
Image:Flag_StuffedBears1.jpg|Stuffed Bears 2
Image:Flag_StuffedBears3.jpg|Stuffed Bears 3
Image:Flag_Sun2.jpg|Sun
Image:Flag_Taijitu2.jpg|Taijitu 2
Image:Flag_Taijitu3.jpg|Taijitu 3
</gallery>

Flag proposal 2009

2009-03-04T20:41:43Z

Pantheadoros:

A flag representing the childlove movement is currently being formed. Childlovers and allies will use the flag to spearhead the awareness campaign.

The '''Proposals Stage''' is nearing a conclusion, and the '''Voting Stage''' is next in line.

==Voting==

The submissions we have received are not final ideas, but concepts that will be worked on once they are chosen. In this sense, choosing a concept should be a matter of potential rather than superficial features (colour, finish, etc) of the blueprint. The concept will be chosen by a simple vote held on a number of related forums, with one vote and one reserve (tie-breaker) vote allocated to each registered screen name, and no one individual may vote on two or more different sites.

===Candidates===

These are the concepts which may be voted for.



{| width="100%" cellspacing="0" border="1" style="table-layout: fixed;"
! width="11%" | Name
! width="25%" | Design
! width="22%" | Description
! width="22%" | Pros
! width="22%" | Cons
|-
|align="center" | '''Abstract 1'''
|[[Image:Flag_Abs1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Abstract 2'''
|[[Image:Flag_Labour1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Biflag'''
|[[Image:Flag_Biflag1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''CLogo'''
|[[Image:Flag_Butterfly1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Diagonal Stripes'''
|[[Image:Flag_Diagonal2.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Dolphin'''
|[[Image:Flag_Dolphin2.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Heart'''
|[[Image:Flag_Heart1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Heart Cross'''
|[[Image:Flag_HeartCross1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Phoenix'''
|[[Image:Flag_Phoenix3.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Extended Rainbow'''
|[[Image:Flag_Rainbow1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Ribbon'''
|[[Image:Flag_Ribbon2.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Star & Stripes'''
|[[Image:Flag_StarAndStripes1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Star Ribbon'''
|[[Image:Flag_StarRibbon1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Stuffed Bears'''
|[[Image:Flag_StuffedBears2.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Sun'''
|[[Image:Flag_Sun2.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Taijitu'''
|[[Image:Flag_Taijitu.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Three Stripes'''
|[[Image:Flag_ThreeStripes1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Triflag'''
|[[Image:Flag_Triflag1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Triangles'''
|[[Image:Flag_Triangles1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|}

===Extended gallery===

Most of the concepts submitted already have two or more possible variations that the organisers will take into account when finalising the design.
<br style="clear: both;" />

<gallery>
Image:Flag_Abs1.jpg|Abstract 1
Image:Flag_Labour1.jpg|Abstract 2
Image:Flag_Biflag1.jpg|Biflag
Image:Flag_Butterfly1.jpg|Clogo
Image:Flag_Diagonal1.jpg|Diagonal 1
Image:Flag_Diagonal2.jpg|Diagonal 2
Image:Flag_Diagonal3.jpg|Diagonal 3
Image:Flag_Diamond1.jpg|AmaroSymbol
Image:Flag_Diamond2.jpg|AmaroModified 1
Image:Flag_Diamond3.jpg|AmaroModified 2
Image:Flag_Dolphin1.jpg|Dolphin 1
Image:Flag_Dolphin2.jpg|Dolphin 2
Image:Flag_Greek1.jpg|Greek 1
Image:Flag_Greek2.jpg|Greek 2
Image:Flag_Heart1.jpg|Heart
Image:Flag_HeartCross1.jpg|Heart Cross
Image:Flag_Heart3.jpg|Heart with Stripes 1
Image:Flag_Heart4.jpg|Heart with Stripes 2
Image:Flag_SameSex1.jpg|Homosexuality
Image:Flag_LGBTRainbowFlag.jpg|LGBT Rainbow Flag
Image:Flag_Phoenix1.jpg|Phoenix 1
Image:Flag_Phoenix2.jpg|Phoenix 2
Image:Flag_Phoenix3.jpg|Phoenix 3
Image:Flag_Phoenix4.jpg|Phoenix 4
Image:Flag_Phoenix5.jpg|Phoenix 5
Image:Flag_Phoenix6.jpg|Phoenix 6
Image:Flag_Rainbow1.jpg|Rainbow 1
Image:Flag_Rainbow2.jpg|Rainbow 2
Image:Flag_Rectangles1.jpg|Rectangles 1
Image:Flag_Rectangles2.jpg|Rectangles 2
Image:Flag_Rectangles3.jpg|Rectangles 3
Image:Flag_Rectangles4.jpg|Rectangles 4
Image:Flag_Ribbon2.jpg|Ribbon
Image:Flag_Sea_Star1.jpg|Sea Star 1
Image:Flag_SeaStar2.jpg|Sea Star 2
Image:Flag_SeaStar3.jpg|Sea Star 3
Image:Flag_SeaStar4.jpg|Sea Star 4
Image:Flag_SeaStar5.jpg|Sea Star 5
Image:Flag_SeaStar6.jpg|Sea Star 6
Image:Flag_SeaStar7.jpg|Sea Star 7
Image:Flag_SeaStar8.jpg|Sea Star 8
Image:Flag_SeaStar9.jpg|Sea Star 9
Image:Flag_SeaStar10.jpg|Sea Star 10
Image:Flag_SeaStar11.jpg|Sea Star 11
Image:Flag_SeaStar12.jpg|Sea Star 12
Image:Flag_SeaStar13.jpg|Sea Star 13
Image:Flag_SeaStar14.jpg|Sea Star 14
Image:Flag_SeaStar15.jpg|Sea Star 15
Image:Flag_SeaStar16.jpg|Sea Star 16
Image:Flag_SeaStar17.jpg|Sea Star 17
Image:Flag_SeaStar18.jpg|Sea Star 18
Image:Flag_SeaStar19.jpg|Sea Star 19
Image:Flag_SeaStar20.jpg|Sea Star 20
Image:Flag_SeaStar21.jpg|Sea Star 21
Image:Flag_StarAndStripes1.jpg|Star & Stripes
Image:Flag_StarRibbon1.jpg|Star Ribbon
Image:Flag_StuffedBears2.jpg|Stuffed Bears
Image:Flag_StuffedBears1.jpg|Stuffed Bears with CLogo
Image:Flag_StuffedBears3.jpg|Stuffed Bears with CLogo & LBLogo
Image:Flag_Sun2.jpg|Sun
Image:Flag_Taijitu.jpg|Taijitu 1
Image:Flag_Taijitu2.jpg|Taijitu 2
Image:Flag_Taijitu3.jpg|Taijitu 3
Image:Flag_ThreeStripes1.jpg|Three Stripes
Image:Flag_Triangles1.jpg|Triangles
Image:Flag_Triflag1.jpg|Triflag 1
</gallery>

Flag proposal 2009

2009-03-04T07:23:44Z

Pantheadoros:

A flag representing the childlove movement is currently being formed. Childlovers and allies will use the flag to spearhead the message to the public.

The '''Proposals Stage''' is nearing a conclusion, and the '''Voting Stage''' is next in line.

==Voting==

The submissions we have received are not final ideas, but concepts that will be worked on once they are chosen. In this sense, choosing a concept should be a matter of potential rather than superficial features (colour, finish, etc) of the blueprint. The concept will be chosen by a simple vote held on a number of related forums, with one vote and one reserve (tie-breaker) vote allocated to each registered screen name, and no one individual may vote on two or more different sites.

===Candidates===

These are the concepts which may be voted for.



{| width="100%" cellspacing="0" border="1" style="table-layout: fixed;"
! width="11%" | Name
! width="25%" | Design
! width="22%" | Description
! width="22%" | Pros
! width="22%" | Cons
|-
|align="center" | '''Abstract 1'''
|[[Image:Flag_Abs1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Abstract 2'''
|[[Image:Flag_Labour1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Biflag'''
|[[Image:Flag_Biflag1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''CLogo'''
|[[Image:Flag_Butterfly1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Heart'''
|[[Image:Flag_Heart1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Heart Cross'''
|[[Image:Flag_HeartCross1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Ribbon'''
|[[Image:Flag_Ribbon2.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Star & Stripes'''
|[[Image:Flag_StarAndStripes1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Star Ribbon'''
|[[Image:Flag_StarRibbon1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Stuffed Bears'''
|[[Image:Flag_StuffedBears2.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Sun'''
|[[Image:Flag_Sun2.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Taijitu'''
|[[Image:Flag_Taijitu.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Triflag'''
|[[Image:Flag_Triflag1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|-
|align="center" | '''Triangles'''
|[[Image:Flag_Triangles1.jpg|frame|center]]
|
|
|
|}

===Extended gallery===

Most of the concepts submitted already have two or more possible variations that the organisers will take into account when finalising the design.
<br style="clear: both;" />

<gallery>
Image:Flag_Abs1.jpg|Abstract 1
Image:Flag_Labour1.jpg|Abstract 2
Image:Flag_Biflag1.jpg|Biflag
Image:Flag_Butterfly1.jpg|Clogo
Image:Flag_Diagonal1.jpg|Diagonal 1
Image:Flag_Diagonal2.jpg|Diagonal 2
Image:Flag_Diagonal3.jpg|Diagonal 3
Image:Flag_Diamond1.jpg|AmaroSymbol
Image:Flag_Diamond2.jpg|AmaroModified 1
Image:Flag_Diamond3.jpg|AmaroModified 2
Image:Flag_Dolphin1.jpg|Dolphin 1
Image:Flag_Dolphin2.jpg|Dolphin 2
Image:Flag_Greek1.jpg|Greek 1
Image:Flag_Greek2.jpg|Greek 2
Image:Flag_Heart1.jpg|Heart
Image:Flag_HeartCross1.jpg|Heart Cross
Image:Flag_Heart3.jpg|Heart with Stripes 1
Image:Flag_Heart4.jpg|Heart with Stripes 2
Image:Flag_SameSex1.jpg|Homosexuality
Image:Flag_LGBTRainbowFlag.jpg|LGBT Rainbow Flag
Image:Flag_Phoenix1.jpg|Phoenix 1
Image:Flag_Phoenix2.jpg|Phoenix 2
Image:Flag_Phoenix3.jpg|Phoenix 3
Image:Flag_Phoenix4.jpg|Phoenix 4
Image:Flag_Phoenix5.jpg|Phoenix 5
Image:Flag_Phoenix6.jpg|Phoenix 6
Image:Flag_Rainbow1.jpg|Rainbow 1
Image:Flag_Rainbow2.jpg|Rainbow 2
Image:Flag_Rectangles1.jpg|Rectangles 1
Image:Flag_Rectangles2.jpg|Rectangles 2
Image:Flag_Rectangles3.jpg|Rectangles 3
Image:Flag_Rectangles4.jpg|Rectangles 4
Image:Flag_Ribbon2.jpg|Ribbon
Image:Flag_Sea_Star1.jpg|Sea Star 1
Image:Flag_SeaStar2.jpg|Sea Star 2
Image:Flag_SeaStar3.jpg|Sea Star 3
Image:Flag_SeaStar4.jpg|Sea Star 4
Image:Flag_SeaStar5.jpg|Sea Star 5
Image:Flag_SeaStar6.jpg|Sea Star 6
Image:Flag_SeaStar7.jpg|Sea Star 7
Image:Flag_SeaStar8.jpg|Sea Star 8
Image:Flag_SeaStar9.jpg|Sea Star 9
Image:Flag_SeaStar10.jpg|Sea Star 10
Image:Flag_SeaStar11.jpg|Sea Star 11
Image:Flag_SeaStar12.jpg|Sea Star 12
Image:Flag_SeaStar13.jpg|Sea Star 13
Image:Flag_SeaStar14.jpg|Sea Star 14
Image:Flag_SeaStar15.jpg|Sea Star 15
Image:Flag_SeaStar16.jpg|Sea Star 16
Image:Flag_SeaStar17.jpg|Sea Star 17
Image:Flag_SeaStar18.jpg|Sea Star 18
Image:Flag_SeaStar19.jpg|Sea Star 19
Image:Flag_SeaStar20.jpg|Sea Star 20
Image:Flag_SeaStar21.jpg|Sea Star 21
Image:Flag_StarAndStripes1.jpg|Star & Stripes
Image:Flag_StarRibbon1.jpg|Star Ribbon
Image:Flag_StuffedBears2.jpg|Stuffed Bears
Image:Flag_StuffedBears1.jpg|Stuffed Bears with CLogo
Image:Flag_StuffedBears3.jpg|Stuffed Bears with CLogo & LBLogo
Image:Flag_Sun2.jpg|Sun
Image:Flag_Taijitu.jpg|Taijitu 1
Image:Flag_Taijitu2.jpg|Taijitu 2
Image:Flag_Taijitu3.jpg|Taijitu 3
Image:Flag_ThreeStripes1.jpg|Three Stripes 1
Image:Flag_Triangles1.jpg|Triangles
Image:Flag_Triflag1.jpg|Triflag 1
</gallery>