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<div>[[Image:Henry de Montherlant.jpg|thumb|Henry de Montherlant]]<div style="margin-right: 25px; float: left;">__TOC__</div>'''Henry de Montherlant''' (* 20. April 1895, † 21. September 1972, both in Paris) was an important [[:Category:People: French|French]] [[:Category:People: Popular Authors|author]] of plays, essays, and novels, whose life and work bear the marks of his attraction to [[boy]]s.<br />
<br />
==Youth==<br />
<br />
Henry Marie Joseph Frédéric Expedite Millon de Montherlant was born in Paris on April 20, 1895 into a well-to-do family, which was catholic and royalist in a way that had already started to look antiquated. In particular his father, a mere ''inspecteur des finances'' sported a conspicious backwardness. He was, however, of little importance for his son, who associated intimately only with his mother and grandmother. His mother was gifted and cheerful. After giving birth to her only child she had to stay in bed until her early death in 1915. So her whole life revolved around her son. Once for instance, she read with him in the evening before bed-time, the novel "Quo vadis", a world-wide bestseller of the time, in a bowdlerized edition. The eight-year old was fascinated, particularly by the free-thinker Petronius.<br />
<br />
At first he was educated at home. In 1905, he entered the ''sixième'' of the lycée Janson-de-Sailly, where he befriended J.-N. Faure-Biguet. Both rivalled each other in the composition of little stories, which he lovingly copied and illustrated, complete with imprint, copyright and advertisment pages. During his life he would keep an interest in both the pecuniary and the aesthetic side of book production.<br />
<br />
In 1907 the family, grand-parents and six servants included, moved to a large house in Neuilly, near the Bois de Boulogne. For the next four years, Montherlant visited the cosy private school Saint-Pierre de Neuilly. Louis Aragon, who was his companion there remembers:<br />
<br />
<blockquote><br />
And then I can show Guy [Montherlant] what I had written, my verses. And he is surprised that I should have read more than he, in spite of his being twelve years old at that time, against my eleven, and he even sort of admires me, although it amuses him that I speak of Jean-Jacques Rousseau in the year that I prepare my First Communion. . . ''(Aragon, le Mentir-vrai, 37, quoted by Sipriot, I, 143)''<br />
</blockquote><br />
<br />
In these years he fell passionately in love with several fellow pupils, according to Faure-Biguet, who also writes that in his room at home the pictures on the wall showed nothing but children.<br />
<br />
During a stay at Bayonne, where he accompanied his grandmother on a pilgrimage to Lourdes, he sneaked away to attend a bull-fight, still sanguinary at the time, and a new lasting passion grew out of this. Later he would stay in Spain for a long vacation.<br />
<br />
In order to be better prepared for the final examinations, the ''baccalauréat'', a change of school was deemed necessary. Montherlant coaxed his mother (he was sick at the time) into allowing him to follow two fellow pupils he was endeared with to the "liberal" catholic collège Sainte-Croix de Neuilly. To compensate for the dangerously leftist climate at this institution he was given a particularly reactionary Jesuit as a confessor, who, it seems, more or less kept his friend Faure-Biguet informed about the following . . .<br />
<br />
The following time he would forever remember as his happiest. His old school had been familiar and intimate, but at the new one he soon discovered a secret underground world of forbidden and, as far as we knew, quite sensual friendships between younger and older pupils. He enjoyed his life there thoroughly, later in life regretting only that he had spent any time at all on his lessons.<br />
<br />
In March 1912, only a few months before the final examinations, Montherlant was expelled from school. His father, characteristically, would never be told; his mother and grandmother, however, were privy, to a degree, to his intimate life; he wrote, e.g., quite open letters to his grandmother. It was not unusual at this time to extend a certain tolerance in this respect, as Julien Green remembers with respect to his own first love.<br />
<br />
Now Montherlant experienced a great void; he took private tuition towards his exams, briefly tried university, worked as a clerk. Then his parents died and the war commenced. He managed partially to avoid it, but participated in it towards the end.<br />
<br />
His first book he wrote in the army. ''La relève du matin'' appeared in 1920, at first in a private edition, as nobody would publish it; but subsequently it was well received and soon a commercial publisher took it up. Montherlant had gotten a name. His subject: boys. Remember, the 'century of the child' was then barely twenty years old.<br />
<br />
==Les garçons==<br />
<br />
The novel ''Les garçons'' (Boys) was his last major work. Based, only half-autobiographically, on the story of his expulsion from Ste-Croix de Neuilly, it is central to his life and writing and one might consider it his closing gift to the world. In a first sketch, it dates back to 1914.<br />
<br />
In fact, one can distinguish four manuscript stages: of 1914, 1929 (printed in the notes for the critical edition, pp. 1377–1396), 1947 and the final revision, which took place from 1965–1969. When the novel was published in 1969, it was still bowdlerized; Michel Raymond, who prepared the critical edition for the ''Bibliothèque de la Pléiade'', gives a list of deletions in his notes, which make for an amusing reading.<br />
<br />
Montherlant also took up the challenge of developing the material into a play. The result is ''La ville dont le prince est un enfant'', which appeared in 1951. Characteristically, Montherlant for a long time withheld permission for its performance. But when it was given for the first time in Paris (1967–1971), it met with considerable success (400 performances, even 1000 according to other sources).<br />
<br />
Early on, however, the play had been staged abroad and by student companies. It also sold exceptionally well, and Montherlant devoted half of the 1967 edition of it (coll. Folio) to collect mostly appreciative voices from this period, "in case the wind changes." Although the play is not in any sense explicit, this very positive reception is a striking and nowadays almost unbelieveable fact.<br />
<br />
The French (state) television produced ''La ville'' as a prominent feature in 1997, directed by Christophe Malavoy who also played the major adult part, the Abbé de Pradts. It is a successful and faithful adaptation that is well played and also meticulously captures the character of the period. Of course, the "will not to know" is at work here, perhaps together with a cultural heritage that allows for some licence, albeit only on a strictly literary level.<br />
<br />
Both the play and the novel share the fundamental dramatic conflict: the intimate friendship of two pupils runs afoul of the love and jealousy of a teacher (the Abbé de Pradts). This happens in a catholic ''collège'' before the First World War. These ''collèges'' were then private establishments, and Montherlant, although not a believer, felt himself (as an old boy) very much attracted to the particular climate of these institutions.<br />
<br />
What is condensed to 36 hours in the play extends to a temporally and thematically far-reaching story in the novel. The major extensions are the description of the pederastic subculture (the ''protection''), the relationship between the boy Alban (Montherlant's alter ego) and his mother, the story of de Pradts, the boys' opponent, which is continued until his death, and the boys' romance, depicted with much discretion but also with considerable weight.<br />
<br />
<blockquote><br />
Ils prirent un fiacre. Serge enleva sa casquette, mit ses pieds sur le petit strapontin de devant, et ainsi, à demi étendu, un peu recroquevillé, s'appuya sur Alban. Il était à sa gauche, et le bras de son camarade l'entourait et l'enserrait avec force, tandis qu'il s'installait à petits coups, inoubliablement . . . « Mon petit corps ! Mon petit corps ! »<br />
<br />
Mais quand Alban commença de le baiser au visage et dans les cheveux, il eut d'abord, surpris peut-être par la violence de ces baisers, peut-être par cette même obscurité qui enhardissait son partenaire, ou bien comme s'il ne voulait voir ce qui se passait, un réflexe de gosselot de neuf ans, tout frais en ces choses : cachant sa figure sur ses petites pattes tachées d'encre, tout de même qu'un boxeur se couvre, ou qu'un jeune chat croise ses pattes par-dessus la sienne, avec un fou rire, le petit rire saccadé, ininterrompu et bête, de quelqu'un qui est mal à l'aise. Et peu à peu, dans un absolu silence, les mains levées s'abaissèrent et le rire cessa. Alors il s'étira, se poussa, s'encoigna, s'installa encore un peu plus, et Alban le serrait toujours davantage contre soi, remontant ses mèches, dénudant ce front imprévu, grattant le sommet de sa nuque, (mais quid de la célèbre bosse, révélatrice de lubricité infinie? Rien, il faut le dire, rien . . .), découvrant un nouveau visage, qu'on ne connaissait pas, qui n'était qu'à lui seul, et qui les lumières de l'avenue tantôt éclairaient, tantôt rejetaient dans l'ombre. "J'aurai enfin vu tourné vers moi ce visage que je ne jamais vu tourné que vers ce qui n'est pas moi" et c'était, pour l'un et pour l'autre, la première fois des gestes qu'ils allaient recommencer toute leur vie.<br />
<br />
Alban : Jamais je n'aurais cru que nous nous trouverions un jour dans cette situation.<br />
<br />
Serge : Moi non plus, jamais ! Et dire qu'il y a quinze jours, tu m'as dit que je te dégoûtais . . .<br />
[Les garçons, ''Romans II'', p.550) <br />
</blockquote><br />
<br />
<blockquote style="color: Maroon;"><br />
They took a carriage. Serge lifted his cap, put his feet on the little folding-seat in front of him, and thus, half-stretched and a bit crooked, he leaned against Alban. He sat on the left, and the arm of his companion embraced him and pulled him with strength while he adjusted himself in the seat with little jerks. Alban would never forget these movements . . . "This little body! This little body!"<br />
<br />
But when Alban started to kiss his face and hair he reacted in the first moment—perhaps surprised by the violence of these kisses or perhaps because of the darkness that made his partner bold or even in order not to see what happened—like a little boy of nine years, for whom this is all new: he hid his face in his small ink-stained fists, like a boxer who covers himself or a young cat who crosses its paws, and laughed the abrupt and silly and endless laughter of someone who feels not at ease. But slowly he became quiet, the raised hands sunk, the laughter stopped. Then he stretched himself, pushed against Alban, slid a little further into his corner. Alban pulled him even nearer, pushed his hair out of his eyes to see his forehead for the first time, rubbed his neck (but what about that famous bump, revealing an unlimited sensuality? Nothing, we have to admit, nothing . . .), discovered a new face, as yet unknown to him, a face only for him to behold, and which the lights of the avenue now illuminated, now threw back into darkness. "Finally I have seen this face looking at me, which I never saw but looking elsewhere." And both of them started those gestures that they would recommence for the rest of their lives.<br />
<br />
Alban: I would never have thought that we should find us some day in this situation.<br />
<br />
Serge: Nor did I, never! And to think that a fortnight ago you told me that I made you feel sick . . . <br />
</blockquote><br />
<br />
The novel ends with the death of the Abbé de Pradts. Dying, he looks back. Through the open window he hears the sound of boys playing soccer and on a wall that is covered with boys' photos he looks at those "who during his life had relieved one another—like the little pieces of cork that hold a fishing-net on the surface of the sea they had held him on the surface of his life."<br />
<br />
==Select Bibliography==<br />
<br />
===Some Works===<br />
<br />
* Montherlant's Œuvres appeared already during his lifetime in the Bibliothèque de la Pléiade in four volumes.<br />
* La relève du matin.-- Paris, 1920, Paris, 1973 (Coll. Folio) [text of the extended edition of 1963 ]<br />
* La ville dont le prince est un enfant. [Play] His oldest work, dating back to 1913. – Paris: Gallimard, 1951; 1957 [revised text, added appendixes]; 1967 [text revised for the Parisian performance] ; 1973 (coll. Folio). – The appendices contain material about the early performances and the reception of the play just in case the wind changed. (M.)<br />
* La ville dont le prince est un enfant. [movie] Directed by Christophe Malavoy (1997). See [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120453/combined IMDB]<br />
* Les Garçons. -- Paris, Gallimard, 1969 [bowdlerized text; complete for the first time in a luxury edition 1973] authoritative text in Romans II, edited by Michel Raimond (1982, Pléiade) pp. 429–842, notes and variants pp. 1360–1494. On pp. 1377–1396 the manuscript of 1929 is printed. The manuscript of 1947 is summarised; in addition Montherlant's deletions from the first edition are given, and make for amusing reading.<br />
* Boys : a novel / translated by Terence Kilmartin. – London : Weidenfeld and Nicolson, 1974. – xi, 281 p. ; 22 cm. – ISBN: 0297994174 (Translation of Les Garçons. — This is apparently the only edition; an expensive collector's item.) <br />
<br />
===Biographical===<br />
<br />
* Correspondance [letters] / Henry de Montherlant, Roger Peyrefitte. – Paris: Laffont, 1983<br />
* Pierre Sipriot: Montherlant sans masque. – Paris: Laffont. – 2 vols.: 1. L'enfant prodigue : 1895–1932., 1982; 2. Écris avec ton sang : 1932–1972.,1990. – Biography. Vol. 2 has an index.<br />
* Album Montherlant / iconographie réunie et commentée par Pierre Sipriot. – Paris: Gallimard, 1979. (Bibliothèque de la Pléiade)<br />
* Faure-Biguet, J.-N. (Jacques Napoléon): Les enfances de Montherlant. – Paris: Plon 1941; ²Paris: Lefebvre, 1948. — Reminiscences of a boyhood friend.<br />
* Peyrefitte, Roger: Propos secrets. – Paris: Laffont. – vol. 1.: 1977 ; vol. 2.: 1980 — Reminiscences of a longtime acquaintance. <br />
<br />
===Internet Resources===<br />
<br />
* [http://www.bautz.de/bbkl/m/montherlant_h.shtml Good article from a German encyclopedia (Bibliography)]<br />
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<div>[[Image:Henry de Montherlant.jpg|thumb|Henry de Montherlant]]<div style="margin-right: 25px; float: left;">__TOC__</div>'''Henry de Montherlant''' (* 20. April 1895, † 21. September 1972, both in Paris) was an important [[:Category:People: French|French]] [[:Category:People: Popular Authors|author]] of plays, essays, and novels, whose life and work bear the marks of his attraction to [[boy]]s.<br />
<br />
==Youth==<br />
<br />
Henry Marie Joseph Frédéric Expedite Millon de Montherlant was born in Paris on April 20, 1895 into a well-to-do family, which was catholic and royalist in a way that had already started to look antiquated. In particular his father, a mere ''inspecteur des finances'' sported a conspicious backwardness. He was, however, of little importance for his son, who associated intimately only with his mother and grandmother. His mother was gifted and cheerful. After giving birth to her only child she had to stay in bed until her early death in 1915. So her whole life revolved around her son. Once for instance, she read with him in the evening before bed-time, the novel "Quo vadis", a world-wide bestseller of the time, in a bowdlerized edition. The eight-year old was fascinated, particularly by the free-thinker Petronius.<br />
<br />
At first he was educated at home. In 1905, he entered the ''sixième'' of the lycée Janson-de-Sailly, where he befriended J.-N. Faure-Biguet. Both rivalled each other in the composition of little stories, which he lovingly copied and illustrated, complete with imprint, copyright and advertisment pages. During his life he would keep an interest in both the pecuniary and the aesthetic side of book production.<br />
<br />
In 1907 the family, grand-parents and six servants included, moved to a large house in Neuilly, near the Bois de Boulogne. For the next four years, Montherlant visited the cosy private school Saint-Pierre de Neuilly. Louis Aragon, who was his companion there remembers:<br />
<br />
<blockquote><br />
And then I can show Guy [Montherlant] what I had written, my verses. And he is surprised that I should have read more than he, in spite of his being twelve years old at that time, against my eleven, and he even sort of admires me, although it amuses him that I speak of Jean-Jacques Rousseau in the year that I prepare my First Communion. . . ''(Aragon, le Mentir-vrai, 37, quoted by Sipriot, I, 143)''<br />
</blockquote><br />
<br />
In these years he fell passionately in love with several fellow pupils, according to Faure-Biguet, who also writes that in his room at home the pictures on the wall showed nothing but children.<br />
<br />
During a stay at Bayonne, where he accompanied his grandmother on a pilgrimage to Lourdes, he sneaked away to attend a bull-fight, still sanguinary at the time, and a new lasting passion grew out of this. Later he would stay in Spain for a long vacation.<br />
<br />
In order to be better prepared for the final examinations, the ''baccalauréat'', a change of school was deemed necessary. Montherlant coaxed his mother (he was sick at the time) into allowing him to follow two fellow pupils he was endeared with to the "liberal" catholic collège Sainte-Croix de Neuilly. To compensate for the dangerously leftist climate at this institution he was given a particularly reactionary Jesuit as a confessor, who, it seems, more or less kept his friend Faure-Biguet informed about the following . . .<br />
<br />
The following time he would forever remember as his happiest. His old school had been familiar and intimate, but at the new one he soon discovered a secret underground world of forbidden and, as far as we knew, quite sensual friendships between younger and older pupils. He enjoyed his life there thoroughly, later in life regretting only that he had spent any time at all on his lessons.<br />
<br />
In March 1912, only a few months before the final examinations, Montherlant was expelled from school. His father, characteristically, would never be told; his mother and grandmother, however, were privy, to a degree, to his intimate life; he wrote, e.g., quite open letters to his grandmother. It was not unusual at this time to extend a certain tolerance in this respect, as Julien Green remembers with respect to his own first love.<br />
<br />
Now Montherlant experienced a great void; he took private tuition towards his exams, briefly tried university, worked as a clerk. Then his parents died and the war commenced. He managed partially to avoid it, but participated in it towards the end.<br />
<br />
His first book he wrote in the army. ''La relève du matin'' appeared in 1920, at first in a private edition, as nobody would publish it; but subsequently it was well received and soon a commercial publisher took it up. Montherlant had gotten a name. His subject: boys. Remember, the 'century of the child' was then barely twenty years old.<br />
<br />
==Les garçons==<br />
<br />
The novel ''Les garçons'' (Boys) was his last major work. Based, only half-autobiographically, on the story of his expulsion from Ste-Croix de Neuilly, it is central to his life and writing and one might consider it his closing gift to the world. In a first sketch, it dates back to 1914.<br />
<br />
In fact, one can distinguish four manuscript stages: of 1914, 1929 (printed in the notes for the critical edition, pp. 1377–1396), 1947 and the final revision, which took place from 1965–1969. When the novel was published in 1969, it was still bowdlerized; Michel Raymond, who prepared the critical edition for the ''Bibliothèque de la Pléiade'', gives a list of deletions in his notes, which make for an amusing reading.<br />
<br />
Montherlant also took up the challenge of developing the material into a play. The result is ''La ville dont le prince est un enfant'', which appeared in 1951. Characteristically, Montherlant for a long time withheld permission for its performance. But when it was given for the first time in Paris (1967–1971), it met with considerable success (400 performances, even 1000 according to other sources).<br />
<br />
Early on, however, the play had been staged abroad and by student companies. It also sold exceptionally well, and Montherlant devoted half of the 1967 edition of it (coll. Folio) to collect mostly appreciative voices from this period, "in case the wind changes." Although the play is not in any sense explicit, this very positive reception is a striking and nowadays almost unbelieveable fact.<br />
<br />
The French (state) television produced ''La ville'' as a prominent feature in 1997, directed by Christophe Malavoy who also played the major adult part, the Abbé de Pradts. It is a successful and faithful adaptation that is well played and also meticulously captures the character of the period. Of course, the "will not to know" is at work here, perhaps together with a cultural heritage that allows for some licence, albeit only on a strictly literary level.<br />
<br />
Both the play and the novel share the fundamental dramatic conflict: the intimate friendship of two pupils runs afoul of the love and jealousy of a teacher (the Abbé de Pradts). This happens in a catholic ''collège'' before the First World War. These ''collèges'' were then private establishments, and Montherlant, although not a believer, felt himself (as an old boy) very much attracted to the particular climate of these institutions.<br />
<br />
What is condensed to 36 hours in the play extends to a temporally and thematically far-reaching story in the novel. The major extensions are the description of the pederastic subculture (the ''protection''), the relationship between the boy Alban (Montherlant's alter ego) and his mother, the story of de Pradts, the boys' opponent, which is continued until his death, and the boys' romance, depicted with much discretion but also with considerable weight.<br />
<br />
<blockquote><br />
Ils prirent un fiacre. Serge enleva sa casquette, mit ses pieds sur le petit strapontin de devant, et ainsi, à demi étendu, un peu recroquevillé, s'appuya sur Alban. Il était à sa gauche, et le bras de son camarade l'entourait et l'enserrait avec force, tandis qu'il s'installait à petits coups, inoubliablement . . . « Mon petit corps ! Mon petit corps ! »<br />
<br />
Mais quand Alban commença de le baiser au visage et dans les cheveux, il eut d'abord, surpris peut-être par la violence de ces baisers, peut-être par cette même obscurité qui enhardissait son partenaire, ou bien comme s'il ne voulait voir ce qui se passait, un réflexe de gosselot de neuf ans, tout frais en ces choses : cachant sa figure sur ses petites pattes tachées d'encre, tout de même qu'un boxeur se couvre, ou qu'un jeune chat croise ses pattes par-dessus la sienne, avec un fou rire, le petit rire saccadé, ininterrompu et bête, de quelqu'un qui est mal à l'aise. Et peu à peu, dans un absolu silence, les mains levées s'abaissèrent et le rire cessa. Alors il s'étira, se poussa, s'encoigna, s'installa encore un peu plus, et Alban le serrait toujours davantage contre soi, remontant ses mèches, dénudant ce front imprévu, grattant le sommet de sa nuque, (mais quid de la célèbre bosse, révélatrice de lubricité infinie? Rien, il faut le dire, rien . . .), découvrant un nouveau visage, qu'on ne connaissait pas, qui n'était qu'à lui seul, et qui les lumières de l'avenue tantôt éclairaient, tantôt rejetaient dans l'ombre. "J'aurai enfin vu tourné vers moi ce visage que je ne jamais vu tourné que vers ce qui n'est pas moi" et c'était, pour l'un et pour l'autre, la première fois des gestes qu'ils allaient recommencer toute leur vie.<br />
<br />
Alban : Jamais je n'aurais cru que nous nous trouverions un jour dans cette situation.<br />
<br />
Serge : Moi non plus, jamais ! Et dire qu'il y a quinze jours, tu m'as dit que je te dégoûtais . . .<br />
[Les garçons, ''Romans II'', p.550) <br />
</blockquote><br />
<br />
<blockquote style="color: Maroon;"><br />
They took a carriage. Serge lifted his cap, put his feet on the little folding-seat in front of him, and thus, half-streched and a bit crooked, he leaned against Alban. He sat on the left, and the arm of his companion embraced him and pulled him with strength while he adjusted himself in the seat with little jerks. Alban would never forget these movements . . . "This little body! This little body!"<br />
<br />
But when Alban started to kiss his face and hair he reacted in the first moment—perhaps surprised by the violence of these kisses or perhaps because of the darkness that made his partner bold or even in order not to see what happened—like a little boy of nine years, for whom this is all new: he hid his face in his small ink-stained fists, like a boxer who covers himself or a young cat who crosses its paws, and laughed the abrupt and silly and endless laughter of someone who feels not at ease. But slowly he became quiet, the raised hands sunk, the laughter stopped. Then he strechted himself, pushed against Alban, slid a little further into his corner. Alban pulled him even nearer, pushed his hair out of his eyes to see his forehead for the first time, rubbed his neck (but what about that famous bump, revealing an unlimited sensuality? Nothing, we have to admit, nothing . . .), discovered a new face, as yet unknown to him, a face only for him to behold, and which the lights of the avenue now illuminated, now threw back into darkness. »Finally I have seen this face looking at me, which I never saw but looking elsewhere.» And both of them started those gestures that they would recommence for the rest of their lives.<br />
<br />
Alban: I would have never thought that we should find us some day in this situation.<br />
<br />
Serge: Nor did I, never! And to think that a fortnight ago you told me that I made you sick . . . <br />
</blockquote><br />
<br />
The novel ends with the death of the abbé de Pradts. Dying he looks back. Through the open window he hears the sound of boys playing soccer and on a wall that is covered with boys' photos he looks at those "who during his life had relieved one another—like the little pieces of cork that hold a fishing-net on the surface of the sea they had held him on the surface of his life."<br />
<br />
==Select Bibliography==<br />
<br />
===Some Works===<br />
<br />
* Montherlant's Œuvres appeared already during his lifetime in the Bibliothèque de la Pléiade in four volumes.<br />
* La relève du matin.-- Paris, 1920, Paris, 1973 (Coll. Folio) [text of the extended edition of 1963 ]<br />
* La ville dont le prince est un enfant. [Play] His oldest work, dating back to 1913. – Paris: Gallimard, 1951; 1957 [revised text, added appendixes]; 1967 [text revised for the Parisian performance] ; 1973 (coll. Folio). – The appendixes contain material about the early performances and the reception of the play just in case that the wind changes. (M.)<br />
* La ville dont le prince est un enfant. [movie] Directed by Christophe Malavoy (1997). See [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120453/combined IMDB]<br />
* Les Garçons. -- Paris, Gallimard, 1969 [bowdlerized text; complete for the first time in a luxury edition 1973] authoritative text in Romans II, edited by Michel Raimond (1982, Pléiade) pp. 429–842, notes and variants pp. 1360–1494. On pp. 1377–1396 the manuscript of 1929 is printed. The manuscript of 1947 is summarised; in addition Montherlant's deletions from the first edition are given, and make for amusing reading.<br />
* Boys : a novel / translated by Terence Kilmartin. – London : Weidenfeld and Nicolson, 1974. – xi, 281 p. ; 22 cm. – ISBN: 0297994174 (Translation of Les Garçons. — This is apparently the only edition; an expensive collector's item.) <br />
<br />
===Biographical===<br />
<br />
* Correspondance [letters] / Henry de Montherlant, Roger Peyrefitte. – Paris: Laffont, 1983<br />
* Pierre Sipriot: Montherlant sans masque. – Paris: Laffont. – 2 vols.: 1. L'enfant prodigue : 1895–1932., 1982; 2. Écris avec ton sang : 1932–1972.,1990. – Biography. Vol. 2 has an index.<br />
* Album Montherlant / iconographie réunie et commentée par Pierre Sipriot. – Paris: Gallimard, 1979. (Bibliothèque de la Pléiade)<br />
* Faure-Biguet, J.-N. (Jacques Napoléon): Les enfances de Montherlant. – Paris: Plon 1941; ²Paris: Lefebvre, 1948. — Reminiscences of a boyhood friend.<br />
* Peyrefitte, Roger: Propos secrets. – Paris: Laffont. – vol. 1.: 1977 ; vol. 2.: 1980 — Reminiscences of a longtime acquaintance. <br />
<br />
===Internet Resources===<br />
<br />
* [http://www.bautz.de/bbkl/m/montherlant_h.shtml Good article from a German encyclopedia (Bibliography)]<br />
<br />
[[Category:Official Encyclopedia]][[Category:People]][[Category:People: Artists and Poets]][[Category:People: Popular Authors]][[Category:People: French]][[Category:People: Deceased]][[Category:People: Historical minor-attracted figures]][[Category:History & Events]][[Category:History & Events: 1910s]][[Category:History & Events: 1960s]][[Category:History & Events: 1990s]][[Category:Art]]</div>Stephen Jameshttps://wiki.yesmap.net/wiki/index.php?title=Henry_de_Montherlant&diff=5483Henry de Montherlant2009-07-26T04:39:52Z<p>Stephen James: /* Les garçons */</p>
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<div>[[Image:Henry de Montherlant.jpg|thumb|Henry de Montherlant]]<div style="margin-right: 25px; float: left;">__TOC__</div>'''Henry de Montherlant''' (* 20. April 1895, † 21. September 1972, both in Paris) was an important [[:Category:People: French|French]] [[:Category:People: Popular Authors|author]] of plays, essays, and novels, whose life and work bear the marks of his attraction to [[boy]]s.<br />
<br />
==Youth==<br />
<br />
Henry Marie Joseph Frédéric Expedite Millon de Montherlant was born in Paris on April 20, 1895 into a well-to-do family, which was catholic and royalist in a way that had already started to look antiquated. In particular his father, a mere ''inspecteur des finances'' sported a conspicious backwardness. He was, however, of little importance for his son, who associated intimately only with his mother and grandmother. His mother was gifted and cheerful. After giving birth to her only child she had to stay in bed until her early death in 1915. So her whole life revolved around her son. Once for instance, she read with him in the evening before bed-time, the novel "Quo vadis", a world-wide bestseller of the time, in a bowdlerized edition. The eight-year old was fascinated, particularly by the free-thinker Petronius.<br />
<br />
At first he was educated at home. In 1905, he entered the ''sixième'' of the lycée Janson-de-Sailly, where he befriended J.-N. Faure-Biguet. Both rivalled each other in the composition of little stories, which he lovingly copied and illustrated, complete with imprint, copyright and advertisment pages. During his life he would keep an interest in both the pecuniary and the aesthetic side of book production.<br />
<br />
In 1907 the family, grand-parents and six servants included, moved to a large house in Neuilly, near the Bois de Boulogne. For the next four years, Montherlant visited the cosy private school Saint-Pierre de Neuilly. Louis Aragon, who was his companion there remembers:<br />
<br />
<blockquote><br />
And then I can show Guy [Montherlant] what I had written, my verses. And he is surprised that I should have read more than he, in spite of his being twelve years old at that time, against my eleven, and he even sort of admires me, although it amuses him that I speak of Jean-Jacques Rousseau in the year that I prepare my First Communion. . . ''(Aragon, le Mentir-vrai, 37, quoted by Sipriot, I, 143)''<br />
</blockquote><br />
<br />
In these years he fell passionately in love with several fellow pupils, according to Faure-Biguet, who also writes that in his room at home the pictures on the wall showed nothing but children.<br />
<br />
During a stay at Bayonne, where he accompanied his grandmother on a pilgrimage to Lourdes, he sneaked away to attend a bull-fight, still sanguinary at the time, and a new lasting passion grew out of this. Later he would stay in Spain for a long vacation.<br />
<br />
In order to be better prepared for the final examinations, the ''baccalauréat'', a change of school was deemed necessary. Montherlant coaxed his mother (he was sick at the time) into allowing him to follow two fellow pupils he was endeared with to the "liberal" catholic collège Sainte-Croix de Neuilly. To compensate for the dangerously leftist climate at this institution he was given a particularly reactionary Jesuit as a confessor, who, it seems, more or less kept his friend Faure-Biguet informed about the following . . .<br />
<br />
The following time he would forever remember as his happiest. His old school had been familiar and intimate, but at the new one he soon discovered a secret underground world of forbidden and, as far as we knew, quite sensual friendships between younger and older pupils. He enjoyed his life there thoroughly, later in life regretting only that he had spent any time at all on his lessons.<br />
<br />
In March 1912, only a few months before the final examinations, Montherlant was expelled from school. His father, characteristically, would never be told; his mother and grandmother, however, were privy, to a degree, to his intimate life; he wrote, e.g., quite open letters to his grandmother. It was not unusual at this time to extend a certain tolerance in this respect, as Julien Green remembers with respect to his own first love.<br />
<br />
Now Montherlant experienced a great void; he took private tuition towards his exams, briefly tried university, worked as a clerk. Then his parents died and the war commenced. He managed partially to avoid it, but participated in it towards the end.<br />
<br />
His first book he wrote in the army. ''La relève du matin'' appeared in 1920, at first in a private edition, as nobody would publish it; but subsequently it was well received and soon a commercial publisher took it up. Montherlant had gotten a name. His subject: boys. Remember, the 'century of the child' was then barely twenty years old.<br />
<br />
==Les garçons==<br />
<br />
The novel ''Les garçons'' (Boys) was his last major work. Based, only half-autobiographically, on the story of his expulsion from Ste-Croix de Neuilly, it is central to his life and writing and one might consider it his closing gift to the world. In a first sketch, it dates back to 1914.<br />
<br />
In fact, one can distinguish four manuscript stages: of 1914, 1929 (printed in the notes for the critical edition, pp. 1377–1396), 1947 and the final revision, which took place from 1965–1969. When the novel was published in 1969, it was still bowdlerized; Michel Raymond, who prepared the critical edition for the ''Bibliothèque de la Pléiade'', gives a list of deletions in his notes, which make for an amusing reading.<br />
<br />
Montherlant also took up the challenge of developing the material into a play. The result is ''La ville dont le prince est un enfant'', which appeared in 1951. Characteristically, Montherlant for a long time withheld permission for its performance. But when it was given for the first time in Paris (1967–1971), it met with considerable success (400 performances, even 1000 according to other sources).<br />
<br />
Early on, however, the play had been staged abroad and by student companies. It also sold exceptionally well, and Montherlant devoted half of the 1967 edition of it (coll. Folio) to collect mostly appreciative voices from this period, "in case the wind changes." Although the play is not in any sense explicit, this very positive reception is a striking and nowadays almost unbelieveable fact.<br />
<br />
The French (state) television produced ''La ville'' as a prominent feature in 1997, directed by Christophe Malavoy who also played the major adult part, the Abbé de Pradts. It is a successful and faithful adaptation that is well played and also meticulously captures the character of the period. Of course, the "will not to know" is at work here, perhaps together with a cultural heritage that allows for some licence, albeit only on a strictly literary level.<br />
<br />
Both the play and the novel share the fundamental dramatic conflict: the intimate friendship of two pupils runs afoul of the love and jealousy of a teacher (the Abbé de Pradts). This happens in a catholic ''collège'' before the First World War. These ''collèges'' were then private establishments, and Montherlant, although not a believer, felt himself (as an old boy) very much attracted to the particular climate of these institutions.<br />
<br />
What is condensed to 36 hours in the play extends to a temporally and thematically far-reaching story in the novel. The major extensions are the description of the pederastic subculture (the ''protection''), the relationship between the boy Alban (Montherlant's alter ego) and his mother, the story of de Pradts, the boys' opponent, which is continued until his death, and the boys' romance, depicted with much discretion but also with considerable weight.<br />
<br />
<blockquote><br />
Ils prirent un fiacre. Serge enleva sa casquette, mit ses pieds sur le petit strapontin de devant, et ainsi, à demi étendu, un peu recroquevillé, s'appuya sur Alban. Il était à sa gauche, et le bras de son camarade l'entourait et l'enserrait avec force, tandis qu'il s'installait à petits coups, inoubliablement . . . « Mon petit corps ! Mon petit corps ! »<br />
<br />
Mais quand Alban commença de le baiser au visage et dans les cheveux, il eut d'abord, surpris peut-être par la violence de ces baisers, peut-être par cette même obscurité qui enhardissait son partenaire, ou bien comme s'il ne voulait voir ce qui se passait, un réflexe de gosselot de neuf ans, tout frais en ces choses : cachant sa figure sur ses petites pattes tachées d'encre, tout de même qu'un boxeur se couvre, ou qu'un jeune chat croise ses pattes par-dessus la sienne, avec un fou rire, le petit rire saccadé, ininterrompu et bête, de quelqu'un qui est mal à l'aise. Et peu à peu, dans une absolu silence, les mains levées s'abaissèrent et le rire cessa. Alors il s'étira, se poussa, s'encoigna, s'installa encore un peu plus, et Alban le serrait toujours davantage contre soi, remontant ses mèches, dénudant ce front imprévu, grattant le sommet de sa nuque, (mais quid de la célèbre bosse, révélatrice de lubricité infinie ? Rien, il faut le dire, rien . . .), découvrant un nouveau visage, qu'on ne connaissait pas, qui n'était qu'à lui seul, et qui les lumières de l'avenue tantôt éclairaient, tantôt rejetaient dans l'ombre. « J'aurai enfin vu tourné vers moi ce visage que je ne jamais vu tourné que vers ce qui n'est pas moi. » et c'était, pour l'un et pour l'autre, la première fois des gestes qu'ils allaient recommencer toute leur vie.<br />
<br />
Alban : Jamais je n'aurais cru que nous nous trouverions un jour dans cette situation.<br />
<br />
Serge : Moi non plus, jamais ! Et dire qu'il y a quinze jours, tu m'as dit que je te dégoûtais . . .<br />
[Les garçons, ''Romans II'', p.550) <br />
</blockquote><br />
<br />
<blockquote style="color: Maroon;"><br />
They took a carriage. Serge lifted his cap, put his feet on the little folding-seat in front of him, and thus, half-streched and a bit crooked, he leaned against Alban. He sat on the left, and the arm of his companion embraced him and pulled him with strength while he adjusted himself in the seat with little jerks. Alban would never forget these movements . . . "This little body! This little body!"<br />
<br />
But when Alban started to kiss his face and hair he reacted in the first moment—perhaps surprised by the violence of these kisses or perhaps because of the darkness that made his partner bold or even in order not to see what happened—like a little boy of nine years, for whom this is all new: he hid his face in his small ink-stained fists, like a boxer who covers himself or a young cat who crosses its paws, and laughed the abrupt and silly and endless laughter of someone who feels not at ease. But slowly he became quiet, the raised hands sunk, the laughter stopped. Then he strechted himself, pushed against Alban, slid a little further into his corner. Alban pulled him even nearer, pushed his hair out of his eyes to see his forehead for the first time, rubbed his neck (but what about that famous bump, revealing an unlimited sensuality? Nothing, we have to admit, nothing . . .), discovered a new face, as yet unknown to him, a face only for him to behold, and which the lights of the avenue now illuminated, now threw back into darkness. »Finally I have seen this face looking at me, which I never saw but looking elsewhere.» And both of them started those gestures that they would recommence for the rest of their lives.<br />
<br />
Alban: I would have never thought that we should find us some day in this situation.<br />
<br />
Serge: Nor did I, never! And to think that a fortnight ago you told me that I made you sick . . . <br />
</blockquote><br />
<br />
The novel ends with the death of the abbé de Pradts. Dying he looks back. Through the open window he hears the sound of boys playing soccer and on a wall that is covered with boys' photos he looks at those "who during his life had relieved one another—like the little pieces of cork that hold a fishing-net on the surface of the sea they had held him on the surface of his life."<br />
<br />
==Select Bibliography==<br />
<br />
===Some Works===<br />
<br />
* Montherlant's Œuvres appeared already during his lifetime in the Bibliothèque de la Pléiade in four volumes.<br />
* La relève du matin.-- Paris, 1920, Paris, 1973 (Coll. Folio) [text of the extended edition of 1963 ]<br />
* La ville dont le prince est un enfant. [Play] His oldest work, dating back to 1913. – Paris: Gallimard, 1951; 1957 [revised text, added appendixes]; 1967 [text revised for the Parisian performance] ; 1973 (coll. Folio). – The appendixes contain material about the early performances and the reception of the play just in case that the wind changes. (M.)<br />
* La ville dont le prince est un enfant. [movie] Directed by Christophe Malavoy (1997). See [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120453/combined IMDB]<br />
* Les Garçons. -- Paris, Gallimard, 1969 [bowdlerized text; complete for the first time in a luxury edition 1973] authoritative text in Romans II, edited by Michel Raimond (1982, Pléiade) pp. 429–842, notes and variants pp. 1360–1494. On pp. 1377–1396 the manuscript of 1929 is printed. The manuscript of 1947 is summarised; in addition Montherlant's deletions from the first edition are given, and make for amusing reading.<br />
* Boys : a novel / translated by Terence Kilmartin. – London : Weidenfeld and Nicolson, 1974. – xi, 281 p. ; 22 cm. – ISBN: 0297994174 (Translation of Les Garçons. — This is apparently the only edition; an expensive collector's item.) <br />
<br />
===Biographical===<br />
<br />
* Correspondance [letters] / Henry de Montherlant, Roger Peyrefitte. – Paris: Laffont, 1983<br />
* Pierre Sipriot: Montherlant sans masque. – Paris: Laffont. – 2 vols.: 1. L'enfant prodigue : 1895–1932., 1982; 2. Écris avec ton sang : 1932–1972.,1990. – Biography. Vol. 2 has an index.<br />
* Album Montherlant / iconographie réunie et commentée par Pierre Sipriot. – Paris: Gallimard, 1979. (Bibliothèque de la Pléiade)<br />
* Faure-Biguet, J.-N. (Jacques Napoléon): Les enfances de Montherlant. – Paris: Plon 1941; ²Paris: Lefebvre, 1948. — Reminiscences of a boyhood friend.<br />
* Peyrefitte, Roger: Propos secrets. – Paris: Laffont. – vol. 1.: 1977 ; vol. 2.: 1980 — Reminiscences of a longtime acquaintance. <br />
<br />
===Internet Resources===<br />
<br />
* [http://www.bautz.de/bbkl/m/montherlant_h.shtml Good article from a German encyclopedia (Bibliography)]<br />
<br />
[[Category:Official Encyclopedia]][[Category:People]][[Category:People: Artists and Poets]][[Category:People: Popular Authors]][[Category:People: French]][[Category:People: Deceased]][[Category:People: Historical minor-attracted figures]][[Category:History & Events]][[Category:History & Events: 1910s]][[Category:History & Events: 1960s]][[Category:History & Events: 1990s]][[Category:Art]]</div>Stephen Jameshttps://wiki.yesmap.net/wiki/index.php?title=Henry_de_Montherlant&diff=5482Henry de Montherlant2009-07-25T02:50:41Z<p>Stephen James: Editing for style and minor errors</p>
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<div>[[Image:Henry de Montherlant.jpg|thumb|Henry de Montherlant]]<div style="margin-right: 25px; float: left;">__TOC__</div>'''Henry de Montherlant''' (* 20. April 1895, † 21. September 1972, both in Paris) was an important [[:Category:People: French|French]] [[:Category:People: Popular Authors|author]] of plays, essays, and novels, whose life and work bear the marks of his attraction to [[boy]]s.<br />
<br />
==Youth==<br />
<br />
Henry Marie Joseph Frédéric Expedite Millon de Montherlant was born in Paris on April 20, 1895 into a well-to-do family, which was catholic and royalist in a way that had already started to look antiquated. In particular his father, a mere ''inspecteur des finances'' sported a conspicious backwardness. He was, however, of little importance for his son, who associated intimately only with his mother and grandmother. His mother was gifted and cheerful. After giving birth to her only child she had to stay in bed until her early death in 1915. So her whole life revolved around her son. Once for instance, she read with him in the evening before bed-time, the novel "Quo vadis", a world-wide bestseller of the time, in a bowdlerized edition. The eight-year old was fascinated, particularly by the free-thinker Petronius.<br />
<br />
At first he was educated at home. In 1905, he entered the ''sixième'' of the lycée Janson-de-Sailly, where he befriended J.-N. Faure-Biguet. Both rivalled each other in the composition of little stories, which he lovingly copied and illustrated, complete with imprint, copyright and advertisment pages. During his life he would keep an interest in both the pecuniary and the aesthetic side of book production.<br />
<br />
In 1907 the family, grand-parents and six servants included, moved to a large house in Neuilly, near the Bois de Boulogne. For the next four years, Montherlant visited the cosy private school Saint-Pierre de Neuilly. Louis Aragon, who was his companion there remembers:<br />
<br />
<blockquote><br />
And then I can show Guy [Montherlant] what I had written, my verses. And he is surprised that I should have read more than he, in spite of his being twelve years old at that time, against my eleven, and he even sort of admires me, although it amuses him that I speak of Jean-Jacques Rousseau in the year that I prepare my First Communion. . . ''(Aragon, le Mentir-vrai, 37, quoted by Sipriot, I, 143)''<br />
</blockquote><br />
<br />
In these years he fell passionately in love with several fellow pupils, according to Faure-Biguet, who also writes that in his room at home the pictures on the wall showed nothing but children.<br />
<br />
During a stay at Bayonne, where he accompanied his grandmother on a pilgrimage to Lourdes, he sneaked away to attend a bull-fight, still sanguinary at the time, and a new lasting passion grew out of this. Later he would stay in Spain for a long vacation.<br />
<br />
In order to be better prepared for the final examinations, the ''baccalauréat'', a change of school was deemed necessary. Montherlant coaxed his mother (he was sick at the time) into allowing him to follow two fellow pupils he was endeared with to the "liberal" catholic collège Sainte-Croix de Neuilly. To compensate for the dangerously leftist climate at this institution he was given a particularly reactionary Jesuit as a confessor, who, it seems, more or less kept his friend Faure-Biguet informed about the following . . .<br />
<br />
The following time he would forever remember as his happiest. His old school had been familiar and intimate, but at the new one he soon discovered a secret underground world of forbidden and, as far as we knew, quite sensual friendships between younger and older pupils. He enjoyed his life there thoroughly, later in life regretting only that he had spent any time at all on his lessons.<br />
<br />
In March 1912, only a few months before the final examinations, Montherlant was expelled from school. His father, characteristically, would never be told; his mother and grandmother, however, were privy, to a degree, to his intimate life; he wrote, e.g., quite open letters to his grandmother. It was not unusual at this time to extend a certain tolerance in this respect, as Julien Green remembers with respect to his own first love.<br />
<br />
Now Montherlant experienced a great void; he took private tuition towards his exams, briefly tried university, worked as a clerk. Then his parents died and the war commenced. He managed partially to avoid it, but participated in it towards the end.<br />
<br />
His first book he wrote in the army. ''La relève du matin'' appeared in 1920, at first in a private edition, as nobody would publish it; but subsequently it was well received and soon a commercial publisher took it up. Montherlant had gotten a name. His subject: boys. Remember, the 'century of the child' was then barely twenty years old.<br />
<br />
==Les garçons==<br />
<br />
The novel ''Les garçons'' (Boys) was his last major work. Based, only half-autobiographically, on the story of his expulsion from Ste-Croix de Neuilly, it is central to his life and writing and one might consider it his closing gift to the world. In a first sketch, it dates back to 1914.<br />
<br />
In fact, one can distinguish four manuscript stages: of 1914, 1929 (printed in the notes for the critical edition, pp. 1377–1396), 1947 and the final revision, which took place from 1965–1969. When the novel was published in 1969, it was still bowdlerized; Michel Raymond, who prepared the critical edition for the ''Bibliothèque de la Pléiade'', gives a list of deletions in his notes, which make for an amusing reading.<br />
<br />
Montherlant also took up the challenge of developing the material into a play. The result is ''La ville dont le prince est un enfant'', which appeared in 1951. Characteristically, Montherlant for a long time withheld permission for its performance. But when it was given for the first time in Paris (1967–1971), it met with considerable success (400 performances, even 1000 according to other sources).<br />
<br />
Early on, however, the play had been staged abroad and by student companies. It also sold exceptionally well, and Montherlant devoted half of the 1967 edition of it (coll. Folio) to collect mostly appreciative voices from this period, "in case the wind changes." Although the play is not in any sense explicit, this very positive reception is a striking and nowadays almost unbelieveable fact.<br />
<br />
The French (state) television produced ''La ville'' as a prominent feature in 1997, directed by Christophe Malavoy who also played the major adult part, the Abbé de Pradts. It is a successful and faithful adaptation that is well played and also meticulously captures the character of the period. Of course, the "will not to know" is at work here, perhaps together with a cultural heritage that allows for some licence, albeit only on a strictly literary level.<br />
<br />
Both the play and the novel share the fundamental dramatic conflict: the intimate friendship of two pupils runs afoul of the love and jealousy of a teacher (the Abbé de Pradts). This happens in a catholic ''collège'' before the First World War. These ''collèges'' were then private establishments, and Montherlant, although not a believer, felt himself (as an old boy) very much attracted to the particular climate of these institutions.<br />
<br />
What is condensed to 36 hours in the play extends to a temporally and thematically far-reaching story in the novel. The major extensions are the description of the pederastic subculture (the ''protection''), the relationship between the boy Alban (Montherlant's alter ego) and his mother, the story of de Pradts, the boys' opponent, which is continued until his death, and the boys' romance, depicted with much discretion but also with considerable weight.<br />
<br />
<blockquote><br />
Ils prirent un fiacre. Serge enleva sa casquette, mit ses pieds sur le petit strapontin de devant, et ainsi, à demi étendu, un peu recroquevillé, s'appuya sur Alban. Il était à sa gauche, et le bras de son camarade l'entourait et l'enserrait avec force, tandis qu'il s'installait à petits coups, inoubliablement . . . « Mon petit corps ! Mon petit corps ! »<br />
<br />
Mais quand Alban commença de le baiser au visage et dans le cheveux, il eut d'abord, surpris peut-être par la violence de ces baisers, peut-être par cette même obscurité qui enhardissait son partenaire, ou bien comme s'il ne voulait voir ce qui se passait, un réflexe de gosselot de neuf ans, tout frais en ces choses : cachant sa figure sur ses petit pattes tachées d'encre, tout de même qu'un boxeur se couvre, ou qu'un jeune chat croise ses pattes par-dessus la sienne, avec un fou rire, le petit rire saccadé, ininterrompu et bête, de quelqu'un qui est mal à l'aise. Et peu à peu, dans une absolu silence, les main levées s'abaissèrent et le rire cessa. Alors il s'étira, se poussa, s'encoigna, s'installa encore un peu plus, et Alban le serrait toujours davantage contre soi, remontant ses mèches, dénudant ce front imprévu, grattant le sommet de sa nuque, (mais quid de la célèbre bosse, révélatrice de lubricité infinie ? Rien, il faut le dire, rien . . .), découvrant un nouveau visage, qu'on ne connaissait pas, qui n'était qu'à lui seul, et qui les lumières de l'avenue tantôt éclairaient, tantôt rejetaient dans l'ombre. « J'aurai enfin vu tourné vers moi ce visage que je ne jamais vu tourné que vers ce qui n'est pas moi. » et c'était, pour l'un et pour l'autre, la première fois des gestes qu'ils allaient recommencer toute leur vie.<br />
<br />
Alban : Jamais je n'aurais cru que nous nous trouverions un jour dans cette situation.<br />
<br />
Serge : Moi non plus, jamais ! Et dire qu'il y a quinze jours, tu m'as dit que je te dégoûtais . . .<br />
[Les garçons, ''Romans II'', p.550) <br />
</blockquote><br />
<br />
<blockquote style="color: Maroon;"><br />
They took a carriage. Serge lifted his cap, put his feet on the little folding-seat in front of him, and thus, half-streched and a bit crooked, he leaned against Alban. He sat on the left, and the arm of his companion embraced him and pulled him with strength while he adjusted himself in the seat with little jerks. Alban would never forget these movements . . . "This little body! This little body!"<br />
<br />
But when Alban started to kiss his face and hair he reacted in the first moment—perhaps surprised by the violence of these kisses or perhaps because of the darkness that made his partner bold or even in order not to see what happened—like a little boy of nine years, for whom this is all new: he hid his face in his small ink-stained fists, like a boxer who covers himself or a young cat who crosses its paws, and laughed the abrupt and silly and endless laughter of someone who feels not at ease. But slowly he became quiet, the raised hands sunk, the laughter stopped. Then he strechted himself, pushed against Alban, slid a little further into his corner. Alban pulled him even nearer, pushed his hair out of his eyes to see his forehead for the first time, rubbed his neck (but what about that famous bump, revealing an unlimited sensuality? Nothing, we have to admit, nothing . . .), discovered a new face, as yet unknown to him, a face only for him to behold, and which the lights of the avenue now illuminated, now threw back into darkness. »Finally I have seen this face looking at me, which I never saw but looking elsewhere.» And both of them started those gestures that they would recommence for the rest of their lives.<br />
<br />
Alban: I would have never thought that we should find us some day in this situation.<br />
<br />
Serge: Nor did I, never! And to think that a fortnight ago you told me that I made you sick . . . <br />
</blockquote><br />
<br />
The novel ends with the death of the abbé de Pradts. Dying he looks back. Through the open window he hears the sound of boys playing soccer and on a wall that is covered with boys' photos he looks at those "who during his life had relieved one another—like the little pieces of cork that hold a fishing-net on the surface of the sea they had held him on the surface of his life."<br />
<br />
==Select Bibliography==<br />
<br />
===Some Works===<br />
<br />
* Montherlant's Œuvres appeared already during his lifetime in the Bibliothèque de la Pléiade in four volumes.<br />
* La relève du matin.-- Paris, 1920, Paris, 1973 (Coll. Folio) [text of the extended edition of 1963 ]<br />
* La ville dont le prince est un enfant. [Play] His oldest work, dating back to 1913. – Paris: Gallimard, 1951; 1957 [revised text, added appendixes]; 1967 [text revised for the Parisian performance] ; 1973 (coll. Folio). – The appendixes contain material about the early performances and the reception of the play just in case that the wind changes. (M.)<br />
* La ville dont le prince est un enfant. [movie] Directed by Christophe Malavoy (1997). See [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120453/combined IMDB]<br />
* Les Garçons. -- Paris, Gallimard, 1969 [bowdlerized text; complete for the first time in a luxury edition 1973] authoritative text in Romans II, edited by Michel Raimond (1982, Pléiade) pp. 429–842, notes and variants pp. 1360–1494. On pp. 1377–1396 the manuscript of 1929 is printed. The manuscript of 1947 is summarised; in addition Montherlant's deletions from the first edition are given, and make for amusing reading.<br />
* Boys : a novel / translated by Terence Kilmartin. – London : Weidenfeld and Nicolson, 1974. – xi, 281 p. ; 22 cm. – ISBN: 0297994174 (Translation of Les Garçons. — This is apparently the only edition; an expensive collector's item.) <br />
<br />
===Biographical===<br />
<br />
* Correspondance [letters] / Henry de Montherlant, Roger Peyrefitte. – Paris: Laffont, 1983<br />
* Pierre Sipriot: Montherlant sans masque. – Paris: Laffont. – 2 vols.: 1. L'enfant prodigue : 1895–1932., 1982; 2. Écris avec ton sang : 1932–1972.,1990. – Biography. Vol. 2 has an index.<br />
* Album Montherlant / iconographie réunie et commentée par Pierre Sipriot. – Paris: Gallimard, 1979. (Bibliothèque de la Pléiade)<br />
* Faure-Biguet, J.-N. (Jacques Napoléon): Les enfances de Montherlant. – Paris: Plon 1941; ²Paris: Lefebvre, 1948. — Reminiscences of a boyhood friend.<br />
* Peyrefitte, Roger: Propos secrets. – Paris: Laffont. – vol. 1.: 1977 ; vol. 2.: 1980 — Reminiscences of a longtime acquaintance. <br />
<br />
===Internet Resources===<br />
<br />
* [http://www.bautz.de/bbkl/m/montherlant_h.shtml Good article from a German encyclopedia (Bibliography)]<br />
<br />
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<div>[[Image:Henry de Montherlant.jpg|thumb|Henry de Montherlant]]<div style="margin-right: 25px; float: left;">__TOC__</div>'''Henry de Montherlant''' (* 20. April 1895, † 21. September 1972, both in Paris) was an important [[:Category:People: French|French]] [[:Category:People: Popular Authors|author]] of plays, essays, and novels, whose life and work bear the marks of his attraction to [[boy]]s.<br />
<br />
==Youth==<br />
<br />
Henry Marie Joseph Frédéric Expedite Millon de Montherlant was born in Paris on April 20, 1895 into a well-to-do family, which was catholic and royalist in a way that had already started to look antiquated. In particular his father, a mere ''inspecteur des finances'' sported a conspicious backwardness. He was, however, of little importance for his son, who associated intimately only with his mother and grandmother. His mother was gifted and cheerful. After giving birth to her only child she had to stay in bed until her early death in 1915. So her whole life revolved around her son. Once for instance, she read with him in the evening before bed-time, the novel "Quo vadis", a world-wide bestseller of the time, in a bowdlerized edition. The eight-year old was fascinated, particularly by the free-thinker Petronius.<br />
<br />
At first he was educated at home. In 1905, he entered the ''sixième'' of the lycée Janson-de-Sailly, where he befriended J.-N. Faure-Biguet. Both rivalled each other in the composition of little stories, which he lovingly copied and illustrated, complete with imprint, copyright and advertisment pages. During his life he would keep an interest in both the pecuniary and the aesthetic side of book production.<br />
<br />
In 1907 the family, grand-parents and six servants included, moved to a large house in Neuilly, near the Bois de Boulogne. For the next four years, Montherlant visited the cosy private school Saint-Pierre de Neuilly. Louis Aragon, who was his companion there remembers:<br />
<br />
<blockquote><br />
And then I can show Guy [Montherlant] what I had written, my verses. And he is surprised that I should have read more than he, in spite of his being twelve years old at that time, against my eleven, and he even sort of admires me, although it amuses him that I speak of Jean-Jacques Rousseau in the year that I prepare my First Communion. . . ''(Aragon, le Mentir-vrai, 37, quoted by Sipriot, I, 143)''<br />
</blockquote><br />
<br />
In these years he fell passionately in love with several fellow pupils, according to Faure-Biguet, who also writes that in his room at home the pictures on the wall showed nothing but children.<br />
<br />
During a stay at Bayonne, where he accompanied his grandmother on a pilgrimage to Lourdes, he sneaked away to attend a bull-fight, still sanguinary at the time, and a new lasting passion grew out of this. Later he would stay in Spain for a long vacation.<br />
<br />
In order to be better prepared for the final examinations, the ''baccalauréat'', a change of school was deemed necessary. Montherlant coaxed his mother (he was sick at the time) into allowing him to follow two fellow pupils he was endeared with to the "liberal" catholic collège Sainte-Croix de Neuilly. To compensate for the dangerously leftist climate at this institution he was given a particularly reactionary Jesuit as a confessor, who, it seems, more or less kept his friend Faure-Biguet informed about the following . . .<br />
<br />
The following time he would forever remember as his happiest. His old school had been familiar and intimate, but at the new one he soon discovered a secret underground world of forbidden and, as far as we knew, quite sensual friendships between younger and older pupils. He enjoyed his life there thoroughly, later in life regretting only that he had spent any time at all on his lessons.<br />
<br />
In March 1912, only a few months before the final examinations, Montherlant was expelled from school. His father, characteristically, would never be told; his mother and grandmother, however, were privy, to a degree, to his intimate life; he wrote, e.g., quite open letters to his grandmother. It was not unusual at this time to extend a certain tolerance in this respect, as Julien Green remembers with respect to his own first love.<br />
<br />
Now Montherlant experienced a great void; he took private tuition towards his exams, briefly tried university, worked as a clerk. Then his parents died and the war commenced. He managed partially to avoid it, but participated in it towards the end.<br />
<br />
His first book he wrote in the army. ''La relève du matin'' appeared in 1920, at first in a private edition, as nobody would publish it; but subsequently it was well received and soon a commercial publisher took it up. Montherlant had gotten a name. His subject: boys. Remember, the 'century of the child' was then barely twenty years old.<br />
<br />
==Les garçons==<br />
<br />
The novel ''Les garçons'' (Boys) was his last major work. Based, only half-autobiographically, on the story of his expulsion from Ste-Croix de Neuilly, it is central to his life and writing and one might consider it his closing gift to the world. In a first sketch, it dates back to 1914.<br />
<br />
In fact, one can distinguish four manuscript stages: of 1914, 1929 (printed in the notes for the critical edition, pp. 1377–1396), 1947 and the final revision, which took place from 1965–1969. When the novel was published in 1969, it was still bowdlerized; Michel Raymond, who prepared the critical edition for the ''Bibliothèque de la Pléiade'', gives a list of deletions in his notes, which make for an amusing reading.<br />
<br />
It challenged Montherlant to make a play out of this stuff, too. The result is ''La ville dont le prince est un enfant'', which appeared in 1951. Characteristically, Montherlant withhold the permission for a theatralical performance for a long time. But when it was given for the first time in Paris, 1967–1971 it met with considerable success (400, according to other sources even 1000 performances).<br />
<br />
Early on, however, the play had been staged abroad and by student companies. It also sold exceptionally good, and Montherlant devoted half of the 1967 edition of it (coll. Folio) to collect mostly appreciative voices from this period, "in case the wind changes." Although the play is not in any sense explicit, this very positive reception is a striking and nowadays almost unbelieveable fact.<br />
<br />
The French (state) television produced La ville as a prominent feature in 1997, directed by Christophe Malavoy who also played the major adult part, the abbé de Pradts. It is a successful and faithful adaptation that is well played and also meticulously reproduces the period character. Of course, the "will not to know" is at work here, perhaps together with a cultural heritage that allows for some licence, albeit only on a strictly literary level.<br />
<br />
Both the play and the novel share the fundamental dramatic conflict: the intimate friendship of two pupils runs afoul of the love and jealousy of a teacher (the abbé de Pradts). This happens in a catholic collège before the First World War. These collèges were then private establishments, and Montherlant, although not a believer, felt himself (as an old boy) very much attracted to the particular climate of these institutions.<br />
<br />
What is condensed to 36 hours in the play grows to a temporarily and thematically far-reaching story in the novel. The major extensions are the description of the pederastic subculture (the ''protection''), the realtionship between the boy Alban (Montherlant's alter ego) and his mother, the story of de Pradts, the boys' opponent, which is continued until his death, and the boys' romance, described with much discretion but also with considerable weight.<br />
<br />
<blockquote><br />
Ils prirent un fiacre. Serge enleva sa casquette, mit ses pieds sur le petit strapontin de devant, et ainsi, à demi étendu, un peu recroquevillé, s'appuya sur Alban. Il était à sa gauche, et le bras de son camarade l'entourait et l'enserrait avec force, tandis qu'il s'installait à petits coups, inoubliablement . . . « Mon petit corps ! Mon petit corps ! »<br />
<br />
Mais quand Alban commença de le baiser au visage et dans le cheveux, il eut d'abord, surpris peut-être par la violence de ces baisers, peut-être par cette même obscurité qui enhardissait son partenaire, ou bien comme s'il ne voulait voir ce qui se passait, un réflexe de gosselot de neuf ans, tout frais en ces choses : cachant sa figure sur ses petit pattes tachées d'encre, tout de même qu'un boxeur se couvre, ou qu'un jeune chat croise ses pattes par-dessus la sienne, avec un fou rire, le petit rire saccadé, ininterrompu et bête, de quelqu'un qui est mal à l'aise. Et peu à peu, dans une absolu silence, les main levées s'abaissèrent et le rire cessa. Alors il s'étira, se poussa, s'encoigna, s'installa encore un peu plus, et Alban le serrait toujours davantage contre soi, remontant ses mèches, dénudant ce front imprévu, grattant le sommet de sa nuque, (mais quid de la célèbre bosse, révélatrice de lubricité infinie ? Rien, il faut le dire, rien . . .), découvrant un nouveau visage, qu'on ne connaissait pas, qui n'était qu'à lui seul, et qui les lumières de l'avenue tantôt éclairaient, tantôt rejetaient dans l'ombre. « J'aurai enfin vu tourné vers moi ce visage que je ne jamais vu tourné que vers ce qui n'est pas moi. » et c'était, pour l'un et pour l'autre, la première fois des gestes qu'ils allaient recommencer toute leur vie.<br />
<br />
Alban : Jamais je n'aurais cru que nous nous trouverions un jour dans cette situation.<br />
<br />
Serge : Moi non plus, jamais ! Et dire qu'il y a quinze jours, tu m'as dit que je te dégoûtais . . .<br />
[Les garçons, ''Romans II'', p.550) <br />
</blockquote><br />
<br />
<blockquote style="color: Maroon;"><br />
They took a carriage. Serge lifted his cap, put his feet on the little folding-seat in front of him, and thus, half-streched and a bit crooked, he leaned against Alban. He sat on the left, and the arm of his companion embraced him and pulled him with strength while he adjusted himself in the seat with little jerks. Alban would never forget these movements . . . "This little body! This little body!"<br />
<br />
But when Alban started to kiss his face and hair he reacted in the first moment—perhaps surprised by the violence of these kisses or perhaps because of the darkness that made his partner bold or even in order not to see what happened—like a little boy of nine years, for whom this is all new: he hid his face in his small ink-stained fists, like a boxer who covers himself or a young cat who crosses its paws, and laughed the abrupt and silly and endless laughter of someone who feels not at ease. But slowly he became quiet, the raised hands sunk, the laughter stopped. Then he strechted himself, pushed against Alban, slid a little further into his corner. Alban pulled him even nearer, pushed his hair out of his eyes to see his forehead for the first time, rubbed his neck (but what about that famous bump, revealing an unlimited sensuality? Nothing, we have to admit, nothing . . .), discovered a new face, as yet unknown to him, a face only for him to behold, and which the lights of the avenue now illuminated, now threw back into darkness. »Finally I have seen this face looking at me, which I never saw but looking elsewhere.» And both of them started those gestures that they would recommence for the rest of their lives.<br />
<br />
Alban: I would have never thought that we should find us some day in this situation.<br />
<br />
Serge: Nor did I, never! And to think that a fortnight ago you told me that I made you sick . . . <br />
</blockquote><br />
<br />
The novel ends with the death of the abbé de Pradts. Dying he looks back. Through the open window he hears the sound of boys playing soccer and on a wall that is covered with boys' photos he looks at those "who during his life had relieved one another—like the little pieces of cork that hold a fishing-net on the surface of the sea they had held him on the surface of his life."<br />
<br />
==Select Bibliography==<br />
<br />
===Some Works===<br />
<br />
* Montherlant's Œuvres appeared already during his lifetime in the Bibliothèque de la Pléiade in four volumes.<br />
* La relève du matin.-- Paris, 1920, Paris, 1973 (Coll. Folio) [text of the extended edition of 1963 ]<br />
* La ville dont le prince est un enfant. [Play] His oldest work, dating back to 1913. – Paris: Gallimard, 1951; 1957 [revised text, added appendixes]; 1967 [text revised for the Parisian performance] ; 1973 (coll. Folio). – The appendixes contain material about the early performances and the reception of the play just in case that the wind changes. (M.)<br />
* La ville dont le prince est un enfant. [movie] Directed by Christophe Malavoy (1997). See [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120453/combined IMDB]<br />
* Les Garçons. -- Paris, Gallimard, 1969 [bowdlerized text; complete for the first time in a luxury edition 1973] authoritative text in Romans II, edited by Michel Raimond (1982, Pléiade) pp. 429–842, notes and variants pp. 1360–1494. On pp. 1377–1396 the manuscript of 1929 is printed. The manuscript of 1947 is summarised; in addition Montherlant's deletions from the first edition are given, and make for amusing reading.<br />
* Boys : a novel / translated by Terence Kilmartin. – London : Weidenfeld and Nicolson, 1974. – xi, 281 p. ; 22 cm. – ISBN: 0297994174 (Translation of Les Garçons. — This is apparently the only edition; an expensive collector's item.) <br />
<br />
===Biographical===<br />
<br />
* Correspondance [letters] / Henry de Montherlant, Roger Peyrefitte. – Paris: Laffont, 1983<br />
* Pierre Sipriot: Montherlant sans masque. – Paris: Laffont. – 2 vols.: 1. L'enfant prodigue : 1895–1932., 1982; 2. Écris avec ton sang : 1932–1972.,1990. – Biography. Vol. 2 has an index.<br />
* Album Montherlant / iconographie réunie et commentée par Pierre Sipriot. – Paris: Gallimard, 1979. (Bibliothèque de la Pléiade)<br />
* Faure-Biguet, J.-N. (Jacques Napoléon): Les enfances de Montherlant. – Paris: Plon 1941; ²Paris: Lefebvre, 1948. — Reminiscences of a boyhood friend.<br />
* Peyrefitte, Roger: Propos secrets. – Paris: Laffont. – vol. 1.: 1977 ; vol. 2.: 1980 — Reminiscences of a longtime acquaintance. <br />
<br />
===Internet Resources===<br />
<br />
* [http://www.bautz.de/bbkl/m/montherlant_h.shtml Good article from a German encyclopedia (Bibliography)]<br />
<br />
[[Category:Official Encyclopedia]][[Category:People]][[Category:People: Artists and Poets]][[Category:People: Popular Authors]][[Category:People: French]][[Category:People: Deceased]][[Category:People: Historical minor-attracted figures]][[Category:History & Events]][[Category:History & Events: 1910s]][[Category:History & Events: 1960s]][[Category:History & Events: 1990s]][[Category:Art]]</div>Stephen Jameshttps://wiki.yesmap.net/wiki/index.php?title=Henry_de_Montherlant&diff=5480Henry de Montherlant2009-07-23T17:45:39Z<p>Stephen James: /* Youth */</p>
<hr />
<div>[[Image:Henry de Montherlant.jpg|thumb|Henry de Montherlant]]<div style="margin-right: 25px; float: left;">__TOC__</div>'''Henry de Montherlant''' (* 20. April 1895, † 21. September 1972, both in Paris) was an important [[:Category:People: French|French]] [[:Category:People: Popular Authors|author]] of plays, essays, and novels, whose life and work bear the marks of his attraction to [[boy]]s.<br />
<br />
==Youth==<br />
<br />
Henry Marie Joseph Frédéric Expedite Millon de Montherlant was born in Paris on April 20, 1895 into a well-to-do family, which was catholic and royalist in a way that had already started to look antiquated. In particular his father, a mere ''inspecteur des finances'' sported a conspicious backwardness. He was, however, of little importance for his son, who associated intimately only with his mother and grandmother. His mother was gifted and cheerful. After giving birth to her only child she had to stay in bed until her early death in 1915. So her whole life revolved around her son. Once for instance, she read with him in the evening before bed-time, the novel "Quo vadis", a world-wide bestseller of the time, in a bowdlerized edition. The eight-year old was fascinated, particularly by the free-thinker Petronius.<br />
<br />
At first he was educated at home. In 1905, he entered the ''sixième'' of the lycée Janson-de-Sailly, where he befriended J.-N. Faure-Biguet. Both rivalled each other in the composition of little stories, which he lovingly copied and illustrated, complete with imprint, copyright and advertisment pages. During his life he would keep an interest in both the pecuniary and the aesthetic side of book production.<br />
<br />
In 1907 the family, grand-parents and six servants included, moved to a large house in Neuilly, near the Bois de Boulogne. For the next four years, Montherlant visited the cosy private school Saint-Pierre de Neuilly. Louis Aragon, who was his companion there remembers:<br />
<br />
<blockquote><br />
And then I can show Guy [Montherlant] what I had written, my verses. And he is surprised that I should have read more than he, in spite of his being twelve years old at that time, against my eleven, and he even sort of admires me, although it amuses him that I speak of Jean-Jacques Rousseau in the year that I prepare my First Communion. . . ''(Aragon, le Mentir-vrai, 37, quoted by Sipriot, I, 143)''<br />
</blockquote><br />
<br />
In these years he fell passionately in love with several fellow pupils, according to Faure-Biguet, who also writes that in his room at home the pictures on the wall showed nothing but children.<br />
<br />
During a stay at Bayonne, where he accompanied his grandmother on a pilgrimage to Lourdes, he sneaked away to attend a bull-fight, still sanguinary at the time, and a new lasting passion grew out of this. Later he would stay in Spain for a long vacation.<br />
<br />
In order to be better prepared for the final examinations, the ''baccalauréat'', a change of school was deemed necessary. Montherlant coaxed his mother (he was sick at the time) into allowing him to follow two fellow pupils he was endeared with to the "liberal" catholic collège Sainte-Croix de Neuilly. To compensate for the dangerously leftist climate at this institution he was given a particularly reactionary Jesuit as a confessor, who, it seems, more or less kept his friend Faure-Biguet informed about the following . . .<br />
<br />
The following time he would forever remember as his happiest. His old school had been familiar and intimate, but at the new one he soon discovered a secret underground world of forbidden and, as far as we knew, quite sensual friendships between younger and older pupils. He enjoyed his life there thoroughly, later in life regretting only that he had spent any time at all on his lessons.<br />
<br />
In March 1912, only a few months before the final examinations, Montherlant was expelled from school. His father, characteristically, would never be told; his mother and grandmother, however, were privy, to a degree, to his intimate life; he wrote, e.g., quite open letters to his grandmother. It was not unusual at this time to extend a certain tolerance in this respect, as Julien Green remembers with respect to his own first love.<br />
<br />
Now Montherlant experienced a great void; he took private tuition towards his exams, briefly tried university, worked as a clerk. Then his parents died and the war commenced. He managed partially to avoid it, but participated in it towards the end.<br />
<br />
His first book he wrote in the army. ''La relève du matin'' appeared in 1920, at first in a private edition, as nobody would publish it; but subsequently it was well received and soon a commercial publisher took it up. Montherlant had gotten a name. His subject: boys. Remember, the ''century of the child'' was then barely twenty years old.<br />
<br />
==Les garçons==<br />
<br />
The novel ''Les garçons'' (Boys) was his last major work. Based, only half-autobiographically, on the story of his expulsion from Ste-Croix de Neuilly, it is central to his life and writing and one might consider it his closing gift to the world. In a first sketch, it dates back to 1914.<br />
<br />
In fact, one can distinguish four manuscript stages: of 1914, 1929 (printed in the notes for the critical edition, pp. 1377–1396), 1947 and the final revision, which took place from 1965–1969. When the novel was published in 1969, it was still bowdlerized; Michel Raymond, who prepared the critical edition for the ''Bibliothèque de la Pléiade'', gives a list of deletions in his notes, which make for an amusing reading.<br />
<br />
It challenged Montherlant to make a play out of this stuff, too. The result is ''La ville dont le prince est un enfant'', which appeared in 1951. Characteristically, Montherlant withhold the permission for a theatralical performance for a long time. But when it was given for the first time in Paris, 1967–1971 it met with considerable success (400, according to other sources even 1000 performances).<br />
<br />
Early on, however, the play had been staged abroad and by student companies. It also sold exceptionally good, and Montherlant devoted half of the 1967 edition of it (coll. Folio) to collect mostly appreciative voices from this period, "in case the wind changes." Although the play is not in any sense explicit, this very positive reception is a striking and nowadays almost unbelieveable fact.<br />
<br />
The French (state) television produced La ville as a prominent feature in 1997, directed by Christophe Malavoy who also played the major adult part, the abbé de Pradts. It is a successful and faithful adaptation that is well played and also meticulously reproduces the period character. Of course, the "will not to know" is at work here, perhaps together with a cultural heritage that allows for some licence, albeit only on a strictly literary level.<br />
<br />
Both the play and the novel share the fundamental dramatic conflict: the intimate friendship of two pupils runs afoul of the love and jealousy of a teacher (the abbé de Pradts). This happens in a catholic collège before the First World War. These collèges were then private establishments, and Montherlant, although not a believer, felt himself (as an old boy) very much attracted to the particular climate of these institutions.<br />
<br />
What is condensed to 36 hours in the play grows to a temporarily and thematically far-reaching story in the novel. The major extensions are the description of the pederastic subculture (the ''protection''), the realtionship between the boy Alban (Montherlant's alter ego) and his mother, the story of de Pradts, the boys' opponent, which is continued until his death, and the boys' romance, described with much discretion but also with considerable weight.<br />
<br />
<blockquote><br />
Ils prirent un fiacre. Serge enleva sa casquette, mit ses pieds sur le petit strapontin de devant, et ainsi, à demi étendu, un peu recroquevillé, s'appuya sur Alban. Il était à sa gauche, et le bras de son camarade l'entourait et l'enserrait avec force, tandis qu'il s'installait à petits coups, inoubliablement . . . « Mon petit corps ! Mon petit corps ! »<br />
<br />
Mais quand Alban commença de le baiser au visage et dans le cheveux, il eut d'abord, surpris peut-être par la violence de ces baisers, peut-être par cette même obscurité qui enhardissait son partenaire, ou bien comme s'il ne voulait voir ce qui se passait, un réflexe de gosselot de neuf ans, tout frais en ces choses : cachant sa figure sur ses petit pattes tachées d'encre, tout de même qu'un boxeur se couvre, ou qu'un jeune chat croise ses pattes par-dessus la sienne, avec un fou rire, le petit rire saccadé, ininterrompu et bête, de quelqu'un qui est mal à l'aise. Et peu à peu, dans une absolu silence, les main levées s'abaissèrent et le rire cessa. Alors il s'étira, se poussa, s'encoigna, s'installa encore un peu plus, et Alban le serrait toujours davantage contre soi, remontant ses mèches, dénudant ce front imprévu, grattant le sommet de sa nuque, (mais quid de la célèbre bosse, révélatrice de lubricité infinie ? Rien, il faut le dire, rien . . .), découvrant un nouveau visage, qu'on ne connaissait pas, qui n'était qu'à lui seul, et qui les lumières de l'avenue tantôt éclairaient, tantôt rejetaient dans l'ombre. « J'aurai enfin vu tourné vers moi ce visage que je ne jamais vu tourné que vers ce qui n'est pas moi. » et c'était, pour l'un et pour l'autre, la première fois des gestes qu'ils allaient recommencer toute leur vie.<br />
<br />
Alban : Jamais je n'aurais cru que nous nous trouverions un jour dans cette situation.<br />
<br />
Serge : Moi non plus, jamais ! Et dire qu'il y a quinze jours, tu m'as dit que je te dégoûtais . . .<br />
[Les garçons, ''Romans II'', p.550) <br />
</blockquote><br />
<br />
<blockquote style="color: Maroon;"><br />
They took a carriage. Serge lifted his cap, put his feet on the little folding-seat in front of him, and thus, half-streched and a bit crooked, he leaned against Alban. He sat on the left, and the arm of his companion embraced him and pulled him with strength while he adjusted himself in the seat with little jerks. Alban would never forget these movements . . . "This little body! This little body!"<br />
<br />
But when Alban started to kiss his face and hair he reacted in the first moment—perhaps surprised by the violence of these kisses or perhaps because of the darkness that made his partner bold or even in order not to see what happened—like a little boy of nine years, for whom this is all new: he hid his face in his small ink-stained fists, like a boxer who covers himself or a young cat who crosses its paws, and laughed the abrupt and silly and endless laughter of someone who feels not at ease. But slowly he became quiet, the raised hands sunk, the laughter stopped. Then he strechted himself, pushed against Alban, slid a little further into his corner. Alban pulled him even nearer, pushed his hair out of his eyes to see his forehead for the first time, rubbed his neck (but what about that famous bump, revealing an unlimited sensuality? Nothing, we have to admit, nothing . . .), discovered a new face, as yet unknown to him, a face only for him to behold, and which the lights of the avenue now illuminated, now threw back into darkness. »Finally I have seen this face looking at me, which I never saw but looking elsewhere.» And both of them started those gestures that they would recommence for the rest of their lives.<br />
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Alban: I would have never thought that we should find us some day in this situation.<br />
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Serge: Nor did I, never! And to think that a fortnight ago you told me that I made you sick . . . <br />
</blockquote><br />
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The novel ends with the death of the abbé de Pradts. Dying he looks back. Through the open window he hears the sound of boys playing soccer and on a wall that is covered with boys' photos he looks at those "who during his life had relieved one another—like the little pieces of cork that hold a fishing-net on the surface of the sea they had held him on the surface of his life."<br />
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==Select Bibliography==<br />
<br />
===Some Works===<br />
<br />
* Montherlant's Œuvres appeared already during his lifetime in the Bibliothèque de la Pléiade in four volumes.<br />
* La relève du matin.-- Paris, 1920, Paris, 1973 (Coll. Folio) [text of the extended edition of 1963 ]<br />
* La ville dont le prince est un enfant. [Play] His oldest work, dating back to 1913. – Paris: Gallimard, 1951; 1957 [revised text, added appendixes]; 1967 [text revised for the Parisian performance] ; 1973 (coll. Folio). – The appendixes contain material about the early performances and the reception of the play just in case that the wind changes. (M.)<br />
* La ville dont le prince est un enfant. [movie] Directed by Christophe Malavoy (1997). See [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120453/combined IMDB]<br />
* Les Garçons. -- Paris, Gallimard, 1969 [bowdlerized text; complete for the first time in a luxury edition 1973] authoritative text in Romans II, edited by Michel Raimond (1982, Pléiade) pp. 429–842, notes and variants pp. 1360–1494. On pp. 1377–1396 the manuscript of 1929 is printed. The manuscript of 1947 is summarised; in addition Montherlant's deletions from the first edition are given, and make for amusing reading.<br />
* Boys : a novel / translated by Terence Kilmartin. – London : Weidenfeld and Nicolson, 1974. – xi, 281 p. ; 22 cm. – ISBN: 0297994174 (Translation of Les Garçons. — This is apparently the only edition; an expensive collector's item.) <br />
<br />
===Biographical===<br />
<br />
* Correspondance [letters] / Henry de Montherlant, Roger Peyrefitte. – Paris: Laffont, 1983<br />
* Pierre Sipriot: Montherlant sans masque. – Paris: Laffont. – 2 vols.: 1. L'enfant prodigue : 1895–1932., 1982; 2. Écris avec ton sang : 1932–1972.,1990. – Biography. Vol. 2 has an index.<br />
* Album Montherlant / iconographie réunie et commentée par Pierre Sipriot. – Paris: Gallimard, 1979. (Bibliothèque de la Pléiade)<br />
* Faure-Biguet, J.-N. (Jacques Napoléon): Les enfances de Montherlant. – Paris: Plon 1941; ²Paris: Lefebvre, 1948. — Reminiscences of a boyhood friend.<br />
* Peyrefitte, Roger: Propos secrets. – Paris: Laffont. – vol. 1.: 1977 ; vol. 2.: 1980 — Reminiscences of a longtime acquaintance. <br />
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===Internet Resources===<br />
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* [http://www.bautz.de/bbkl/m/montherlant_h.shtml Good article from a German encyclopedia (Bibliography)]<br />
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<div>[[Image:Henry de Montherlant.jpg|thumb|Henry de Montherlant]]<div style="margin-right: 25px; float: left;">__TOC__</div>'''Henry de Montherlant''' (* 20. April 1895, † 21. September 1972, both in Paris) was an important [[:Category:People: French|French]] [[:Category:People: Popular Authors|author]] of plays, essays, and novels, whose life and work bear the marks of his attraction to [[boy]]s.<br />
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==Youth==<br />
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Henry Marie Joseph Frédéric Expedite Millon de Montherlant was born in Paris on April 20, 1895 into a well-to-do family, which was catholic and royalist in a way that had already started to look antiquated. In particular his father, a mere ''inspecteur des finances'' sported a conspicious backwardness. He was, however, of little importance for his son, who associated intimately only with his mother and grandmother. His mother was gifted and cheerful. After giving birth to her only child she had to stay in bed until her early death in 1915. So her whole life revolved around her son. Once for instance, she read with him in the evening before bed-time, the novel "Quo vadis", a world-wide bestseller of the time, in a bowdlerized edition. The eight-year old was fascinated, particularly by the free-thinker Petronius.<br />
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At first he was educated at home. In 1905, he entered the ''sixième'' of the lycée Janson-de-Sailly, where he befriended J.-N. Faure-Biguet. Both rivalled each other in the composition of little stories, which he lovingly copied and illustrated, complete with imprint, copyright and advertisment pages. During his life he would keep an interest in both the pecuniary and the aesthetic side of book production.<br />
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In 1907 the family, grand-parents and six servants included, moved to a large house in Neuilly, near the Bois de Boulogne. For the next four years, Montherlant visited the cosy private school Saint-Pierre de Neuilly. Louis Aragon, who was his companion there remembers:<br />
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And then I can show Guy [Montherlant] what I had written, my verses. And he is surprised that I should have read more than he, in spite of his being twelve years old at that time, against my eleven, and he even sort of admires me, although it amuses him that I speak of Jean-Jacques Rousseau in the year that I prepare my First Communion. . . ''(Aragon, le Mentir-vrai, 37, quoted by Sipriot, I, 143)''<br />
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In these years he fell passionately in love with several fellow pupils, according to Faure-Biguet, who also writes that in his room at home the pictures on the wall showed nothing but children.<br />
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During a stay at Bayonne, where he accompanied his grandmother on a pilgrimage to Lourdes, he sneaked away to attend a bull-fight, still sanguinary at the time, and a new lasting passion grew out of this. Later he would stay in Spain for a long vacation and make some experiences for himself.<br />
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In order to be better prepared for the final examinations, the ''baccalauréat'', a change of school was deemed necessary. Montherlant coaxed his mother (he was sick at the time) into allowing him to follow two fellow pupils he was endeared with to the "liberal" catholic collège Sainte-Croix de Neuilly. To compensate for the dangerously leftist climate at this institution he was given a particularly reactionary Jesuit as a confessor, who, it seems, more or less kept his friend Faure-Biguet informed about the following . . .<br />
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The following time he would forever remember as his happiest. His old school had been familiar and intimate, but at the new one he soon discovered a secret underground world of forbidden and, as far as we knew, quite sensual friendships between younger and older pupils. He enjoyed his life there thoroughly, later in life regretting only that he had spent any time at all on his lessons.<br />
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In March 1912, only a few months before the final examinations, Montherlant was expelled from school. His father, characteristically, would never been told; his mother and grand-mother, however, were privy, to a degree, to his intimate life; he wrote, e.g., quite open letters to his grand-mother. It is not unusual in this times to extend a certain tolerance in this respect, as Julien Green remembers with respect to his own first love.<br />
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Now Montherlant experienced a great void; he takes private tution towards his exams, shortly tries the university, works as a clerk. Then his parents die, the war commences. He managed half to avoid, half to partake in it remotely at the end.<br />
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His first book he wrote in the army. La relève du matin appeared 1920, at first in a private edition as nobody would publish him; but then it is favourably received and soon a commercial publisher took it up. Montherlant has gotten a name. His subject: boys. You remember, the ''century of the child'' is barely twenty years old.<br />
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==Les garçons==<br />
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The novel ''Les garçons'' (Boys) was his last major work. Based, only half-autobiographically, on the story of his expulsion from Ste-Croix de Neuilly, it is central to his life and writing and one might consider it his closing gift to the world. In a first sketch, it dates back to 1914.<br />
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In fact, one can distinguish four manuscript stages: of 1914, 1929 (printed in the notes for the critical edition, pp. 1377–1396), 1947 and the final revision, which took place from 1965–1969. When the novel was published in 1969, it was still bowdlerized; Michel Raymond, who prepared the critical edition for the ''Bibliothèque de la Pléiade'', gives a list of deletions in his notes, which make for an amusing reading.<br />
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It challenged Montherlant to make a play out of this stuff, too. The result is ''La ville dont le prince est un enfant'', which appeared in 1951. Characteristically, Montherlant withhold the permission for a theatralical performance for a long time. But when it was given for the first time in Paris, 1967–1971 it met with considerable success (400, according to other sources even 1000 performances).<br />
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Early on, however, the play had been staged abroad and by student companies. It also sold exceptionally good, and Montherlant devoted half of the 1967 edition of it (coll. Folio) to collect mostly appreciative voices from this period, "in case the wind changes." Although the play is not in any sense explicit, this very positive reception is a striking and nowadays almost unbelieveable fact.<br />
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The French (state) television produced La ville as a prominent feature in 1997, directed by Christophe Malavoy who also played the major adult part, the abbé de Pradts. It is a successful and faithful adaptation that is well played and also meticulously reproduces the period character. Of course, the "will not to know" is at work here, perhaps together with a cultural heritage that allows for some licence, albeit only on a strictly literary level.<br />
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Both the play and the novel share the fundamental dramatic conflict: the intimate friendship of two pupils runs afoul of the love and jealousy of a teacher (the abbé de Pradts). This happens in a catholic collège before the First World War. These collèges were then private establishments, and Montherlant, although not a believer, felt himself (as an old boy) very much attracted to the particular climate of these institutions.<br />
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What is condensed to 36 hours in the play grows to a temporarily and thematically far-reaching story in the novel. The major extensions are the description of the pederastic subculture (the ''protection''), the realtionship between the boy Alban (Montherlant's alter ego) and his mother, the story of de Pradts, the boys' opponent, which is continued until his death, and the boys' romance, described with much discretion but also with considerable weight.<br />
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Ils prirent un fiacre. Serge enleva sa casquette, mit ses pieds sur le petit strapontin de devant, et ainsi, à demi étendu, un peu recroquevillé, s'appuya sur Alban. Il était à sa gauche, et le bras de son camarade l'entourait et l'enserrait avec force, tandis qu'il s'installait à petits coups, inoubliablement . . . « Mon petit corps ! Mon petit corps ! »<br />
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Mais quand Alban commença de le baiser au visage et dans le cheveux, il eut d'abord, surpris peut-être par la violence de ces baisers, peut-être par cette même obscurité qui enhardissait son partenaire, ou bien comme s'il ne voulait voir ce qui se passait, un réflexe de gosselot de neuf ans, tout frais en ces choses : cachant sa figure sur ses petit pattes tachées d'encre, tout de même qu'un boxeur se couvre, ou qu'un jeune chat croise ses pattes par-dessus la sienne, avec un fou rire, le petit rire saccadé, ininterrompu et bête, de quelqu'un qui est mal à l'aise. Et peu à peu, dans une absolu silence, les main levées s'abaissèrent et le rire cessa. Alors il s'étira, se poussa, s'encoigna, s'installa encore un peu plus, et Alban le serrait toujours davantage contre soi, remontant ses mèches, dénudant ce front imprévu, grattant le sommet de sa nuque, (mais quid de la célèbre bosse, révélatrice de lubricité infinie ? Rien, il faut le dire, rien . . .), découvrant un nouveau visage, qu'on ne connaissait pas, qui n'était qu'à lui seul, et qui les lumières de l'avenue tantôt éclairaient, tantôt rejetaient dans l'ombre. « J'aurai enfin vu tourné vers moi ce visage que je ne jamais vu tourné que vers ce qui n'est pas moi. » et c'était, pour l'un et pour l'autre, la première fois des gestes qu'ils allaient recommencer toute leur vie.<br />
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Alban : Jamais je n'aurais cru que nous nous trouverions un jour dans cette situation.<br />
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Serge : Moi non plus, jamais ! Et dire qu'il y a quinze jours, tu m'as dit que je te dégoûtais . . .<br />
[Les garçons, ''Romans II'', p.550) <br />
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They took a carriage. Serge lifted his cap, put his feet on the little folding-seat in front of him, and thus, half-streched and a bit crooked, he leaned against Alban. He sat on the left, and the arm of his companion embraced him and pulled him with strength while he adjusted himself in the seat with little jerks. Alban would never forget these movements . . . "This little body! This little body!"<br />
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But when Alban started to kiss his face and hair he reacted in the first moment—perhaps surprised by the violence of these kisses or perhaps because of the darkness that made his partner bold or even in order not to see what happened—like a little boy of nine years, for whom this is all new: he hid his face in his small ink-stained fists, like a boxer who covers himself or a young cat who crosses its paws, and laughed the abrupt and silly and endless laughter of someone who feels not at ease. But slowly he became quiet, the raised hands sunk, the laughter stopped. Then he strechted himself, pushed against Alban, slid a little further into his corner. Alban pulled him even nearer, pushed his hair out of his eyes to see his forehead for the first time, rubbed his neck (but what about that famous bump, revealing an unlimited sensuality? Nothing, we have to admit, nothing . . .), discovered a new face, as yet unknown to him, a face only for him to behold, and which the lights of the avenue now illuminated, now threw back into darkness. »Finally I have seen this face looking at me, which I never saw but looking elsewhere.» And both of them started those gestures that they would recommence for the rest of their lives.<br />
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Alban: I would have never thought that we should find us some day in this situation.<br />
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Serge: Nor did I, never! And to think that a fortnight ago you told me that I made you sick . . . <br />
</blockquote><br />
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The novel ends with the death of the abbé de Pradts. Dying he looks back. Through the open window he hears the sound of boys playing soccer and on a wall that is covered with boys' photos he looks at those "who during his life had relieved one another—like the little pieces of cork that hold a fishing-net on the surface of the sea they had held him on the surface of his life."<br />
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==Select Bibliography==<br />
<br />
===Some Works===<br />
<br />
* Montherlant's Œuvres appeared already during his lifetime in the Bibliothèque de la Pléiade in four volumes.<br />
* La relève du matin.-- Paris, 1920, Paris, 1973 (Coll. Folio) [text of the extended edition of 1963 ]<br />
* La ville dont le prince est un enfant. [Play] His oldest work, dating back to 1913. – Paris: Gallimard, 1951; 1957 [revised text, added appendixes]; 1967 [text revised for the Parisian performance] ; 1973 (coll. Folio). – The appendixes contain material about the early performances and the reception of the play just in case that the wind changes. (M.)<br />
* La ville dont le prince est un enfant. [movie] Directed by Christophe Malavoy (1997). See [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120453/combined IMDB]<br />
* Les Garçons. -- Paris, Gallimard, 1969 [bowdlerized text; complete for the first time in a luxury edition 1973] authoritative text in Romans II, edited by Michel Raimond (1982, Pléiade) pp. 429–842, notes and variants pp. 1360–1494. On pp. 1377–1396 the manuscript of 1929 is printed. The manuscript of 1947 is summarised; in addition Montherlant's deletions from the first edition are given, and make for amusing reading.<br />
* Boys : a novel / translated by Terence Kilmartin. – London : Weidenfeld and Nicolson, 1974. – xi, 281 p. ; 22 cm. – ISBN: 0297994174 (Translation of Les Garçons. — This is apparently the only edition; an expensive collector's item.) <br />
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===Biographical===<br />
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* Correspondance [letters] / Henry de Montherlant, Roger Peyrefitte. – Paris: Laffont, 1983<br />
* Pierre Sipriot: Montherlant sans masque. – Paris: Laffont. – 2 vols.: 1. L'enfant prodigue : 1895–1932., 1982; 2. Écris avec ton sang : 1932–1972.,1990. – Biography. Vol. 2 has an index.<br />
* Album Montherlant / iconographie réunie et commentée par Pierre Sipriot. – Paris: Gallimard, 1979. (Bibliothèque de la Pléiade)<br />
* Faure-Biguet, J.-N. (Jacques Napoléon): Les enfances de Montherlant. – Paris: Plon 1941; ²Paris: Lefebvre, 1948. — Reminiscences of a boyhood friend.<br />
* Peyrefitte, Roger: Propos secrets. – Paris: Laffont. – vol. 1.: 1977 ; vol. 2.: 1980 — Reminiscences of a longtime acquaintance. <br />
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===Internet Resources===<br />
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* [http://www.bautz.de/bbkl/m/montherlant_h.shtml Good article from a German encyclopedia (Bibliography)]<br />
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<div>[[Image:C.A.Tripp.jpg|frame|Tripp]]'''Clarence A. Tripp''', Ph. D. (1919 - May 17, 2003) was a psychologist, photographer, therapist, writer, gay activist, and researcher for Dr. [[Alfred Kinsey]]. Born in 1919 in Denton, Texas, USA, Tripp studied at the Rochester Institute of Technology, and was a Naval Veteran.<br />
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After establishing himself as a photographer for Warner Bros, he went on to work in the same function with Alfred Kinsey at the [[Kinsey Institute]] for Research in Sex, Gender and Reproduction in Bloomington, Indiana from 1948 to 1956. He earned a Ph.D. in Clinical psychology from New York University. In ''The Intimate World of Abraham Lincoln,'' C. A. Tripp contends that Abraham Lincoln had erotic attractions and attachments to men throughout his life, from his youth to his presidency.<br />
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==On pedophilia==<br />
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Interviewed in Yorkshire Television's [[Kinsey's Paedophiles|unsympathetic "expose"]] of Kinsey's techniques, Tripp portrays quite frankly the realities of Kinsey's research and his subjects. It becomes clear that Tripp is untroubled by the sexual diversity uncovered in part by his research photography with Kinsey.<br />
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==External links==<br />
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*[http://www.williamapercy.com/wiki/index.php?title=C.A._Tripp William Percy Bio for Tripp]<br />
*[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpN_QTRcrVQ Kinsey's Paedophiles video (annotated)]<br />
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<div>'''Andreas Embiricos''' (1901-1975) was a Greek writer, psychoanalyst and photographer.<br />
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Embiricos was born in Raila, Romania by Greek parents and raised in Athens. After taking some time in the business ventures of his family in ship broking, he moved to Paris where he lived between 1926 and 1931 and met with Andre Breton and his surrealist circle. He published several collections of surrealist writings (poetry and prose): ''Ypsikaminos'' ("Blast-Furnace" 1935), ''Endochora'' ("Hinterland" 1945), ''Grapta, e Prosopike mythologia'' ("Writings, or Personal Mythology" 1960) and ''Argo, e plous aerostatou'' ("Argo, or the Voyage of a Balloon" 1964-65). Most of his works, however, including his sex-themed eight-volume novel ''O Megas Anatolikos'' ("The Great Eastern") appeared posthumously.<br />
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In parallel with his career as a writer, he began practicing in Greece the profession of psychoanalyst after he was accredited by the French Psychoanalytic Association, continuously until 1951. Embiricos also took an interest in photography and made his first retrospective exhibition in 1965 in Athens.<br />
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In 2001 the Greek Ministry of Culture, to commemorate 100 years from Embiricos' birth, declared that year as "The Year of Andreas Embiricos" and sponsored a number of events in Greece and abroad, including public lectures about ''The Great Eastern'' and the publication of a collection of photographs titled ''Fotofraktes'' ("Shutter" 2001).<br />
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==The Great Eastern==<br />
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''The Great Eastern'' is Embiricos' ''magnum opus'' novel, written in the 1940s and developed during the next decades as he read parts of the manuscripts to enthusiastic friends.<br />
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The novel recounts the sexual goings-on in "The Great Eastern", a steamship leaving England for the New World. In ''The Great Eastern'' all Embiricos' fantasies, doctrines and visions are developed under a formally polished style and archaic language. Full of literary references, his transgressive writting, which could put Marquis de Sade to shame, develops in several episodes of multi-level narrative, which features all the sexual taboos of his era, including [[homosexuality]], interacial sex, bestiality, sado-masochism and all four variants (man/boy, man/girl, woman/boy and woman/girl) of [[pedophilia]].<br />
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Embiricos must have based the characters of ''The Great Eastern'' on people he met during his experience as a psychoanalyst but also, as his correspondence reveals, in his study of sexual histories in sexological books. From his research, Embiricos knew well what went on in the sexual underground across Europe and the episodes in ''Great Eastern'', though sometimes parodically hilarious or exaggerated, do not sound completely unbelievable.<br />
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Embiricos himself wrote a note that he would like to see ''The Great Eastern'' published after his death uncensored. His only compromise would be the use of a pseudonym to avoid implications for his family. Nevertheless, the latter, which owns his estate, decided to publish it using his real name. The work, based on the unfinished manuscripts which Embricos continuously re-edited up to his death, came out in eight volumes from Agra Publications in Athens between 1990 and 1992 and surprisingly, given its content, there was little, if any, controversy. Surely the Greek literary community's unanimous endorsement and praise of the work as great fiction must have helped.<br />
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Even though the eight volume work is primarily preoccupied with heterosexual practices and [[girllove|man/girl pedophilia]], the book is of particular interest to [[boylovers]] in Greece, since there are several instances of sex between men and [[boy]]s. Consider the following extracts, originally written by Embiricos in English (which does not do justice to the stylish Greek language used in most of the book) about a woman secretly reading the narrative of a diary:<br />
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<blockquote>"The well-known novelist (he was a man of about 60), who has just read a letter delivered by a good-looking messenger boy of about 13 years old, was asking the boy his name and how old he was and telling him he thought he looked very handsome." (Vol. 3, Part 6, Chapter 65, pp. 71-72)</blockquote><br />
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The man makes a sexual advance, offering to pay the boy an extra half a crown. The boy reluctantly accepts the offer and scenes of mutual masturbation and oral sex follow.<br />
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==Photography==<br />
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As noted, Embiricos was also a prolific photographer. His early work includes surrealistic images of masks and other objects, while he later concentrated on portaiture and street photography. An important and much acclaimed aspect of his photographic work regards his candid and often erotic pictures of little [[girl]]s. His contemporaries, like Nobelist poet Odysseas Elytis wrote favorably of this fascination of his, while his photography of little girls has often been compared to that of [[Lewis Carroll]] (of ''Alice'' fame). Embriricos also took many pictures of boys, some of them in the nude, that, nevertheless, were never erotic (an example of which can be found at the ''Fotofraktes'' collection).<br />
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==External links==<br />
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[http://www.embiricos2001.gr Official "Embiricos 2001" website] by the Hellenic Ministry of Culture and the National Book Centre of Greece.<br />
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<div>__NOTOC__[[Image:Mcb.jpg|frame|Will McBride]]'''Will McBride''' (born 1931, St. Louis, Missouri) is a famous photographer, painter and sculptor who grew up in Chicago. His specialist education was at the Art Institute of Chicago, the Detroit Society of Arts and Crafts, and the National Academy of Design in New York, having also studied at the University of Vermont, graduating from Syracuse University in 1953. McBride took private lessons from Norman Rockwell. McBride served in the U.S. Army from 1953 to 1955 and was stationed in [[Germany]], where he decided to live as an expatriate artist. In 1955, he became a German citizen and began his career in [[Boys in photography|photography]]. McBride continues to live in Germany.<br />
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McBride rose to fame in the 1950s and 60s as a pre-eminent documentary photographer. His photo essays appeared regularly in various German magazines, and that work has established itself as a chronicle of the Kennedy and Adenauer years. He has always been a controversial artist. The 1975 sex education book ''[[Show Me]]'', for which he was photographer, was initially received positively in Europe and North America by educators. However, due to strict laws enacted in the U.S. in the 80s and 90s, it was withdrawn from publication there, and is now considered child pornography.<br />
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Solo exhibitions since 2000 have included: the Galleria d'Arte Moderna, Bologna; Dany Keller Galerie, Munich; and the Galerie argus fotokunst, Berlin. In 2004 McBride received the Dr. Erich Salomon Prize, which is bestowed by the German Photographic Association (Deutsche Gesellschaft für Photographie) and is the equivalent of a Nobel Prize for photography. <br />
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In his autobiographical photo-essay book entitled I, Will McBride, he wrote:<br />
<br />
:''"I am very interested in boys. Let there be no doubt about that.''<br />
<br />
:''But I don't meet them in train stations, nor in the men's lavatories. I don't go to places where I think there will be boys to see. ''<br />
<br />
:''I don't ask boys to come home with me for pay. But when I see a good-looking boy, or what I think is a good-looking boy; slim, with well-defined bones and muscles, an intelligent face with clear eyes and a full mouth, high cheekbones, a not too large nose, a flat somach, a full butt and long legs, big feet and big hands, then I am charged with a lot of excitement.''<br />
<br />
:''It is this excitement that makes me work. I don't make love to boys, I make pictures and sculptures of them, a different way of loving...''<br />
<br />
:''But to my complete amazement, I discover that not all people admire my sculpture. In fact, many people are disturbed by it, not because my boys are not beautiful, but because they have a strong sexual component. My boys have sex-appeal and this is especially disturbing to a lot of people...''<br />
<br />
:''My sculpture is made not only to show that boys are beautiful and that they should be protected and respected as such, but to show that they are also sexual creatures, bursting with power...''<br />
<br />
:''I do not do pornography (I don't think). But some people think so, and have called the photographs that I have made to inform and educate obscene. In the United States, my books have been banned. Now that I have turned to sculpture, have I been making sculptures that will be banned too? I'll wait and see."''<ref>http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/3895084522/qid=1124677971/sr=8-6/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i6_xgl14/002-8358990-4518415?v=glance&s=books&n=507846</ref><br />
<br />
== McBride's monographs ==<br />
<br />
*''Adenauer'' (Berlin: Josef Keller, 1965)<br />
*''The Sex Book: A Modern Pictorial Encyclopaedia'' (London: Herder & Herder, 1971)<br />
*''Show Me'' (New York: St. Martin’s Press, 1975)<br />
*''Foto-Tagebuch'' (Berlin: Frolich & Kaufmann, 1982)<br />
*''Siddhartha'' (Kehl on Rhine: Swan Verlag, 1982)<br />
*''Boys'' (Munich: Bucher, 1988)<br />
*''Zeig mal mehr!'' (Weinheim: Beltz, 1988), with text by Frank Herrath and Uwe Sieler. <br />
*''Situationen/Projekten/Ein Fotobuch'' (Aachen: Rimbaud, 1992)<br />
*''Will McBride'' (Frankfurt/Main: Editions Stemmle, 1992)<br />
*''My Sixties'' (Cologne: Taschen, 1994)<br />
*''I, Will McBride'' (Cologne: Könemann, 1997)<br />
*''Coming of Age'' (Millerton, NY: Aperture, 1999), with an introductory essay, "Ways of Being Human," by [[Guy Davenport]].<br />
*''Mein Italien'' (Munich: Knesebech Verlag, 2003)<br />
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==Commentary==<br />
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As [[Joseph Geraci]] notes, McBride's work "has the gritty, involved quality of 50s photographers such as Klein and van der Elsken. Their aesthetic was to break down the barrier between subject and artist, for the artist to become 'engaged' as was being argued by Sartre and the French Existentialists."<ref>http://www.xs4all.nl/~geraci/mcbride/mcbride.html</ref><br />
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==References==<br />
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{{reflist}}<br />
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==External links==<br />
* [http://www.will-mcbride-art.com/ Will McBride (official site)]<br />
* [http://artseal.citysearch.com/page/uy6j/Figurative__Portraiture__amp__Special_Exhibits/Will_McBride.html Will McBride "Coming of Age" Exhibition at Gendell Gallery]<br />
* [http://www.gallery-argus.com/cgi-bin/s2-en.php?McBride Will McBride's exhibitions in the argus fotokunst art gallery]<br />
* [http://www.amadelio.com/amadelio_vlog/archiv/archiv_vlog_rel/vlog_2006_mcbride.htm Interview with Will McBride, September 2006, by amadelio, vlog]<br />
* [http://www.artfacts.net/index.php/pageType/artistInfo/artist/9571/lang/1 Artfacts profile] - Since 2000.<br />
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[[Category:Official Encyclopedia]][[Category:People]][[Category:People: American]][[Category:People: German]][[Category:People: Artists and Poets]][[Category:Censorship]][[Category:Gay]][[Category:Art]][[Category:History & Events: Personal Scandals]]</div>Stephen Jameshttps://wiki.yesmap.net/wiki/index.php?title=Steve_Diamond&diff=5405Steve Diamond2009-07-09T10:46:12Z<p>Stephen James: /* Biography (2007) */</p>
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<div>'''Steve Diamond''' is known as a well-established internet [[boylover]] who writes and speaks on the issues of [[boylove]] and sexual attractions between adults and children.<br />
<br />
==Biography (2007)==<br />
<br />
In the summer of 1998, Steve Diamond (better known as "Steve-D") arrived in the online, [[boylove]] scene. Quickly taking to the existing community, which resided at a web chat board named [[BoyChat]], Steve spent several years writing and contributing as a supportive member of that community.<br />
<br />
Steve branched off into his own projects, including such web sites as "Steve-D's Midnight Zone" and "The Midnight Archives." Several other, personal projects existed (some remain online to this day) as well. He also branched off into different types of writing. One earlier phase found him writing several erotic stories, some of which were featured at a well known, online, "alternative" website that archives written erotica.<br />
<br />
In 2001, Steve was invited to join the BoyChat admin, as a moderator, also known as a "Cog". He remained in this post, and served in a few others, over the following two to three years. During this time, he also served as an admin member on a discussion board named "Close Encounters." (The offshoot of this board would become known as "Crossroads", or "The Crossroads Debate Forum.")<br />
<br />
For a brief period, Steve was appointed to the position of "assistant BoyChat webmaster", which was a newly created and undefined position at that time. In short, he was the back up person, to step in and be a public figurehead, when the current, serving webmaster was unavailable. Having been in a transition phase, the new, "webmaster" position, would not evolve into what it is today until a few years after Steve's departure.<br />
<br />
Steve also served for a period of about one year as a volunteer at the live community chat room, "Lifeline." This is a place for people to come to give and receive moral support. It is a place that those in crisis can turn to. After this point, with burn out plaguing him, Steve retired from the public eye, and took several months away, disassociating himself with the troubles and stress of the pro child love cause.<br />
<br />
On June 22nd, 2006, Steve returned to active status on the internet, with an entirely new project, which would be much deeper and personal, than anything he had done in the past. This was his first blog entitled, "In Self Defense...The Life and Times of an Atheist Boylover...". Steve would continue to write solidly and consistently, for nearly a year, on this and several other blogs.<br />
<br />
In early 2007, acting upon an old idea, Steve created "The EQ. Foundation". The charter for this resource, was to collect, preserve, archive and make available, "alternative" viewpoints, which are commonly stereotyped, stigmatized and refused a voice in the larger culture. It was Steve's firm belief that taboos and stigmas were only working to harm social unity and public safety, with grave consequences for many, and that it was time to break the deafening silence. Steve continues to write today and has been expanding into other areas.<br />
<br />
== YouTube ==<br />
<br />
Steve/EQF currently operates a [http://uk.youtube.com/user/EQFvideo YouTube video] channel.<br />
<br />
== External Links ==<br />
<br />
*[http://eqf.nfshost.com/ The EQ. Foundation]<br />
<br />
== See Also ==<br />
<br />
[[Newgon.com Support Team]]<br />
<br />
[[Category:Official Encyclopedia]] [[Category:People]][[Category:People: Sympathetic Activists]]<br />
[[Category:People: American]][[Category:People: Adult or Minor sexually attracted to or involved with the other]]</div>Stephen Jameshttps://wiki.yesmap.net/wiki/index.php?title=Steve_Diamond&diff=5403Steve Diamond2009-07-09T05:22:09Z<p>Stephen James: /* Biography (2007) */</p>
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<div>'''Steve Diamond''' is known as a well-established internet [[boylover]] who writes and speaks on the issues of [[boylove]] and sexual attractions between adults and children.<br />
<br />
==Biography (2007)==<br />
<br />
In the summer of 1998, Steve Diamond (better known as "Steve-D") arrived in the online, [[boylove]] scene. Quickly taking to the existing community, which resided at a web chat board named [[BoyChat]], Steve spent several years writing and contributing as a supportive member of that community.<br />
<br />
Steve branched off into his own projects, including such web sites as "Steve-D's Midnight Zone" and "The Midnight Archives." Several other, personal projects existed (some remain online to this day) as well. He also branched off into different types of writing. One earlier phase found him writing several erotic stories, some of which were featured at a well known, online, "alternative" website that archives written erotica.<br />
<br />
In 2001, Steve was invited to join the BoyChat admin, as a moderator, also known as a "Cog". He remained in this post, and served in a few others, over the following two to three years. During this time, he also served as an admin member on a discussion board named "Close Encounters." (The offshoot of this board would become known as "Crossroads", or "The Crossroads Debate Forum.")<br />
<br />
For a brief period, Steve was appointed to the position of "assistant BoyChat webmaster", which was a newly created and undefined position at that time. In short, he was the back up person, to step in and be a public figurehead, when the current, serving webmaster was unavailable. Having been in a transition phase, the new, "webmaster" position, would not evolve into what it is today until a few years after Steve's departure.<br />
<br />
Steve also served for a period of about one year as a volunteer at the live community chat room, "Lifeline." This is a place for people to come to give and receive moral support. It is a place that those in crisis can turn to. After this point, with burn out plaguing him, Steve retired from the public eye, and took several months away, disassociating himself with the troubles and stress of the pro child love cause.<br />
<br />
On June 22nd, 2006, Steve returned to active status on the internet, with an entirely new project, which would be much deeper and personal, than anything he had done in the past. This was his first blog entitled, "In Self Defense...The Life and Times of an Atheist Boylover...". Steve would continue to write solidly and consistently, for nearly a year, on this and several other blogs.<br />
<br />
In early 2007, acting upon an old idea, Steve created "The EQ. Foundation". The charter for this resource, was to collect, preserve, archive and make available, "alternative" viewpoints, which are commonly stereotyped, stigmatized and refused a voice in the larger culture. It was Steve's firm belief, that taboos and stigmas were only working to harm social unity and public safety, at grave consequence to many, and that it was time to break the deafening silence. Steve continues to write, today, and has been expanding into other areas.<br />
<br />
== YouTube ==<br />
<br />
Steve/EQF currently operates a [http://uk.youtube.com/user/EQFvideo YouTube video] channel.<br />
<br />
== External Links ==<br />
<br />
*[http://eqf.nfshost.com/ The EQ. Foundation]<br />
<br />
== See Also ==<br />
<br />
[[Newgon.com Support Team]]<br />
<br />
[[Category:Official Encyclopedia]] [[Category:People]][[Category:People: Sympathetic Activists]]<br />
[[Category:People: American]][[Category:People: Adult or Minor sexually attracted to or involved with the other]]</div>Stephen Jameshttps://wiki.yesmap.net/wiki/index.php?title=Michael_Ingram&diff=5396Michael Ingram2009-07-08T12:48:00Z<p>Stephen James: /* Trial and Death */</p>
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<div>__NOTOC__'''Father Michael Ingram, O.P.''', (ca. 1932&ndash;2000) was a Catholic priest and child [[psychology|psychologist]], who carried out an important study of a sample of 92 sexual contacts between men and boys.<ref> M. Ingram, A study of 92 cases of sexual contact between adult and child', British Journal of Sexual Medicine, Vol 6, No.44,January 1979, p, 22f(Part 1), and Vol 6, No.45, February 1979, p. 24f (Part 2).</ref> He was also briefly embroiled in controversies involving [[Paedophile Information Exchange|PIE]] in 1977.<br />
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==Views about pedophilia==<br />
<br />
While he did not defend [[pedophilia]] ''per se'', Ingram believed, on the basis of his experience and empirical studies, that [[child]]ren could benefit from the physical affection often shown in these relationships. He also believed that if and when they came to light, the processes of investigation and interrogation could often be more damaging to the child than the sexual contact itself. In general, Ingram was highly critical of those who appeared to think that sexual '[[sin|sins]]' were the only sins worth being concerned about.<br />
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==Involvement in PIE controversy==<br />
<br />
For the most part, 1977 was the year that the [[National Profile: Britain|British]] public became aware of PIE through several reports in national papers. While these were mostly hostile, a few were more balanced and these included discussions of the views of Michael Ingram as briefly outlined above. In September of that year, PIE held a public meeting at Conway Hall, London. They had intended to present Ingram as a 'mystery' guest speaker, but he had been prevented from attending by his church superiors, and so [[Tom O'Carroll]] read out his speech instead. The meeting was notable for the hysterical lynch mob atmosphere surrounding it, with furious and violent reactions shown to those trying to enter and leave by the crowd assembled outside. <br />
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== Trial and Death ==<br />
In 2000, Ingram, then 68 years old and living in Cambridge, was accused of having molested boys in the 1970s,<ref>Birmingham Post, Aug 1, 2000, “Michael Ingram (68) denied four charges of indecent assault, two of gross indecency and one of serious sexual assault from 1970 to 1978 against boys . . .” (via Google)</ref> when he was a parish priest in Leicester's Holy Cross Priory Church and active helping disadvantaged children.<ref> As reported in [http://www.adoption-net.co.uk/news/2000/aug/000817robbed.htm] and [http://www.adoption-net.co.uk/news/2000/aug/000817betray.htm] (from Google cache as of April 2009)</ref> He died August 26 in Leicester Prison,<ref>Birmingham Evening Mail, Aug 28, 2000, “Michael Ingram (68) originally from Cambridgeshire, died in the health care centre of Leicester Prison on Saturday night.” (via Google)</ref> after having been convicted at Leicester Crown Court two weeks earlier.<ref>The Mirror, Aug 15, 2000 “. . . convicted at Leicester of assaulting boys up to 30 years ago” (via Google)</ref> Prior to his Trial he had suffered severe injuries when driving his car into a wall.<ref>Daily Record, Aug 15, 2000 “But Roman Catholic Father Michael Ingram was in intensive care as the jury returned their verdicts, after driving his car into a wall at high speed.” (via Google)</ref><br />
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==References==<br />
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{{reflist}}<br />
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==External link==<br />
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[http://www.ipce.info/host/radicase/preface.htm ''Paedophilia: The Radical Case''] <br />
(Most of this article is based on O'Carroll's account.)<br />
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[[Category:Official Encyclopedia]][[Category:People]][[Category:People: Academics]][[Category:People: Critical Analysts]][[Category:People: Sympathetic Activists]][[Category:People: British]]</div>Stephen Jameshttps://wiki.yesmap.net/wiki/index.php?title=Testimony:_Adult_Male_with_Minor_Male&diff=5379Testimony: Adult Male with Minor Male2009-07-06T13:29:08Z<p>Stephen James: </p>
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*'''[http://dir.salon.com/story/mwt/feature/2002/07/22/coming_of_age/ Minor report] by David Tuller in Salon.com, July 22, 2002.'''<br />
**An aircraft maintenance worker describes his first experience at thirteen with a man of about 30 who had hired him to do yard work. After inviting him inside and showing him pictures of men wrestling, the man “started rubbing my crotch, and I was both nervous and really excited by it.” He went on to seek out other significantly older men. “I never felt used. I really wanted it, and except for the first time I always felt like the aggressor.” <br />
**Noted gay novelist Edmund White talks about picking up men at Chicago beaches and public restrooms from the age of 13 or 14. “I was very oversexed, absolutely driven wild by desire. ... The first one was a handsome architect, who actually had children older than me. I was absolutely fascinated by him, and I seduced him. I followed him to his car, walked right up to him and started talking to him. My mother was away and I said, ‘Come back to my apartment.’ And it was terrific.” <br />
** In an essay about sex between adolescents and adults, David Tuller relates his own desire as a 15-year-old "tormented homosexual wannabe." Upon seeing the movie Summer of '42, in which a young widow "pulls Hermie into her arms and, in her grief, into her bed," he says, "I cried while I watched, ... because I so yearned for the tender moments that Hermie found." <br />
**A gay healthcare professional in his 50s discusses how the relationship he pursued with a family friend in his early 20s helped him learn at the age of fifteen that men could care for each other. "It was clear that it certainly felt good to both of us. ... In some way it was a real lifesaver, because it made me feel that love and affection and closeness and sex would be possible in my life. ... when we were together, it was like a little oasis where we could be ourselves." <br />
** A businessman in Denver recounts his two-year relationship, from age fifteen, with his 29-year-old boss at the restaurant where he worked. "It was frightening and invigorating and I felt clumsy and awkward. But he was playful and fun and very gentle. I never felt coerced. As foreign as it was to me I was very open to it. Afterwards, I felt good, like I'd experienced something I'd wanted to for a long time." Speaking of how it affected his life at the time, he says, "I wasn't an awkward, out-of-place kid anymore. I felt appreciated for being gay, instead of being an outcast and made fun of. Suddenly I had this new self-confidence. I didn't have to hate myself for being gay." <br />
*'''[http://www.boychat.org/messages/932440.htm A long and varied career by Ambar] on BoyChat, July 2005.'''<br />
*:A man recounts his earliest sexual experiences, including with his best friend’s father at eight years old: “He became my second very, very, very best friend and so began a wonderful, loving relationship. I still adore that man :-)” <br />
*'''[http://newgon.com/CPP/HFP-072.htm Letter from John] in HFP Mailbag and [http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/13023005/ Sexual Abuse from a Victim] by John Tate, December 7, 2004.'''<br />
*:A 17-year-old reports on the anguish in his life stemming from sexual activity with his grandfather from age seven and attributes the worst aspects to society’s attitudes about it: “I think if this sort of thing was tolerated I would not have felt so fucking alienated, so hated, as a child, I would have not been an outcast.” <br />
*'''[http://www.boychat.org/messages/932397.htm count me IN !!! :))] by siao on BoyChat, July 2005. '''<br />
*:A man recounts his first experience of sex with an adult at seven years old: “suddenly fun was "in" … gosh, what was that twirling feeling which went all thru me ???” He also speaks of such encounters with many other men, saying, “NOT A SINGLE ONE EVER ABUSED ME ! I was free to say 'YES!!!!' and also knew how to say 'no' if there were ever anything I might not want.” <br />
*'''[http://www.bostonmagazine.com/articles/boy_crazy/ Boy Crazy] in Boston Magazine, May 2001'''<br />
**Famous poet Allen Ginsberg commented on the 1977 pedophilia scandal in Revere, Massachusetts, "I had sex when I was 8 with a man in the back of my grandfather’s candy store in Revere, and I turned out okay." <br />
**Best-selling Canadian author James Dubro was 14 in 1961 when he started having sex with a 22-year-old college student who remains his friend 40 years later. <br />
*'''[http://newgon.com/CPP/BC-146796.htm My Story: A story of a boy] by Elf on BoyChat, October 1998.'''<br />
*:A man in his mid-20s tells his story. When he was nine or ten years old, he responded willingly to the seduction of a 16- or 17-year-old neighbor boy. They had a passionate love affair for over a year until they were discovered and his father beat him savagely. The older boy’s family disappeared from town. This man wrote of that affair as the best thing that ever happened to him and attributed his deep problems at the time of writing to the brutal way it was torn away from him. <br />
*'''"[http://newgon.com/CPP/Spike/xaboutme.htm Spike]" on his website'''<br />
*:A 15-year-old boy writes about his adult lover: “When I was 10, I found myself a mentor, a wonderful old man that needed me as much as I needed him. … J has been the best thing that could ever have happened to me. Everything I am today I owe to J. He and Mom are both educated people who believe that I must prepare myself for adulthood by learning how to learn, how to think for myself, and how to believe in myself … Mom sees the results of my association with J, and she could not be more pleased.” <br />
*'''[http://newgon.com/CPP/Hoby-mod.htm Hoby] on his website'''<br />
*:A boy proclaims his interest in adult men and says, “You should be able to love whoever you want when you want and as long as you both happy it dont matter what anyone else thinks.” <br />
*'''''[http://newgon.com/CPP/Arlekin/complain-mod.htm My Complaints]'' by David Alejandro, December 1996, on his website.'''<br />
*:A 13-year-old boy makes an impassioned plea for sexual freedom: “I want to love and be loved by whom I want. For the last two years I have an older friend. I am not gay, I like girls. He doesn’t, but we understand each other very well. It is nobody’s business what we do or don’t do. … Stop protecting me, please!” (Note: His site history page indicated that he was 13 when he posted this page and 15½ in June 1999. The English index pages said that he lived in the “Land of the Incas.”)<br />
*'''[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voor_een_verloren_soldaat Voor Een Verloren Soldaat] (For A Lost Soldier), autobiographical novel by Rudi van Dantzig, 1986 and 1992 movie made from it'''<br />
*:Acclaimed ballet dancer and choreographer Rudi van Dantzig tells the story of his brief romance at twelve with a Canadian soldier at the end of World War II. <br />
*'''[http://newgon.com/CPP/Stefan/index.htm Stefan] on his webpage'''<br />
*:A 12-year-old in Holland says, “I will tell you about my BEST friend. He’s 28 and works at home. I love him the most in the world and he loves me. He says I’m the cutest boy in the world.” <br />
*'''[http://www.scottohara.com/obit.htm Scott O'Hara], quoted in his obituary at the Spirit of Stonewall Press Conference, New York City, June 24, 1994.'''<br />
*:The publisher of Steam magazine says, “When I was 12 and 13 years old I would have joined NAMBLA in a minute, because I knew I was gay and I wanted to go out and get laid, not just read The Gay Mystique all my life; I needed personal contact.” <br />
*'''Ik Wilde Meer! (“[http://www.martijn.org/info/Martijn/martijn02.pdf I Want More!]”) in Martijn (PDF, 6 Mb), December 1980, page 16-18, in Dutch.'''<br />
*:A married man reports on his 6-year-long relationship with a man who showed him erotic art and masturbated him. The relationship later turned platonic and the younger man was at the older’s deathbed 37 years later. <br />
*'''[http://www.boylover.net/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi/topic/10/194.html tribute to frank] by mick15 on BoyLover.net, December 7, 2005.'''<br />
*:A teenaged boy describes his loving, sexual relationship with his soccer mentor, who had recently died. <br />
*'''I want to speak out!!!!!!!! by “15 yr old boy” on BoyChat, September 2000.'''<br />
*:A 15-year-old boy writes about his adult lover: “He is the best thing that has ever happened to me. … I wish this world would just open its eyes and see that relationships like this are healthy and good for boys my age—but yes only if the boy wants the relationship.” <br />
*'''[http://newgon.com/CPP/Adam-mod.htm There is Magic Out There] by Joshua Adam on his website.'''<br />
*:A 13-year-old in the 10th grade writes about the emotional support he gets from his older friend, Angel, who is helping him overcome the hatred cast upon him by his family and school for liking other boys. Angel and Adam have never met in person and do not plan to do so. Their relationship is entirely nonsexual, although it is definitely one of love and mentorship.<br />
*'''Author [http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1588180395 Kirk Read]'''<br />
*: In his 2001 book, How I Learned to Snap, Kirk Read tells of his sexual experiences with adults starting at age 13, which he says saved his life. "Intergenerational sex saved my life", "American culture's only frame of reference for sex with minors is abuse. I don't deny that abuse occurs, but this should be addressed on a case-by-case basis. A blanket approach that criminalizes all sex between adults and minors undermines the fact that for many gay teenagers, sex with an adult can be a beautiful, life-changing experience. It was for me", "I sought out sex with older men time and time again as a teenager. I had fumbling sexual encounters with other kids as a preadolescent, but they always left me unsatisfied. None of us knew what we were doing, and our shame and fear overwhelmed any joy of discovery" (pp.57-59) [http://www.nambla.org/snap.htm Reviewed] by NAMbLA.<br />
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*'''[http://newgon.com/CPP/Shane-mod.htm Shane] on his website'''<br />
*:A 14-year-old gay boy in Australia says, “I have one really good adult friend that knows about my sexuality, … Steve has never tried anything sexual with me, although I often wish he would.” <br />
*'''[http://www.boychat.org/messages/932399.htm Under My House . Tent Sleeping . Neighbors Bedroom] by Linca on BoyChat, July 2005. '''<br />
*:A man recounts his first experiences of sex, including with an adult neighbor at 14: “[He] did with me … what he had been wanting to do with me since I was 8 years old. We are friends to this day.” <br />
*'''Two posts by hyacinth on BoyChat: [http://newgon.com/CPP/BC-663921.htm May 2002] [1] and [http://www.boychat.org/messages/932570.htm July 2005] [2]'''<br />
*:A man describes his childhood sexual experiences with adults. The first was anal sex with a benedictine monk at 14 years old: “I was't stupid, at 14 I knew my way around … He was very nice and very gentle, and I liked him alot.” [1] Next was a relationship that lasted for a year and a half with a man and his two sons. [2] <br />
*'''[http://newgon.com/CPP/Benjamin-LettersOfBoy.htm Letters of a Loving Boy--Excerpted letters and diaries of boys], edited by Jarod Benjamin, 1997.'''<br />
*:A 14-year-old boy wrote a series of love letters, unsuccessfully courting an adult friend for a more intimate relationship. <br />
*'''[http://newgon.com/CPP/Mogenic-LikeGreece.htm Just Like Greece? — Gay Teen Dates Septuagenarian], an interview of “:John ”: by Brandon K. Thorp in ''Mogenic'', June 2006.'''<br />
*:A 22-year-old man talks about the 67-year-old man he met at the museum where they were both volunteering when he was 13. A friendship emerged based on unusually common interests for such a pair. The relationship evolved into mentoring and eventually romance, which became sexual two years later. They remained occassionally intimate for five years while the teenager also began to explore relationships with his age peers. Looking back on the man’s death when he was 20, he says, “He enhanced the quality of my youth, and his influence will likely enhance the quality of my entire adult life. And I enhanced his old age. We both got something out of it.” <br />
*'''[http://newgon.com/CPP/Aaron/index.htm Aaron], on his website'''<br />
*:A 15-year-old boy talks about his adult lover on his website. <br />
*'''[http://www.nambla.org/boys.htm Boys Speak Out on Man/Boy Love], NAMBLA, 1981.'''<br />
*:NAMBLA published a book with first-person accounts of 29 boys about their relationships with older men. Titles include ''The Best Thing That Ever Happened to Me'' by Greg, 16, ''It Shouldn’t Be a Crime to Make Love'' by Bryan, 12, ''If It Wasn’t for Mark I’d Probably Be Dead Today'' by Carl, 14, ''I Need My Lovers'' by Tyrone, 16, and ''It Was Me Who Started It'' by Frank, 15. <br />
*'''The perspective of a loving boy in [http://newgon.com/CPP/Benjamin-BoysAndBoylovers.htm On Boys and Boylovers] by Jarod Benjamin, 1997.'''<br />
*:Jarod Benjamin’s 1997 study of male-male pedophilia includes a section that reports on pedophile relationships from the point of view of boys in them. Reference is also made to 620 quotes of boys in Edward Brongersma’s [http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1557410038 Loving Boys].<br />
*'''[http://www.thinkandask.com/2006/042106-john.html Baseball, Boys, One Man on Illegal Love]'''<br />
*:A boy happily participates in a sexual and emotional relationship with an older man beginning at age 12. "Jesse is less than half John's age and turned 15-years-old in April, but the boy is not his son. Jesse "is my lover," John said, "but the feelings are mutual, this is a consensual relationship." John met Jesse (not his real name) when the boy was homeless three years ago. [...] In Jesse's own words, "John knows me, he's here inside my head already, I mean all along. He is my dad, boyfriend, best friend, brother, all in one. He's great," he grins as he chats with a friend on the office computer. [...] "I brought it up and told him how I felt and offered to take care of him. That is when he said he was in love with me and never wanted to leave," John said."<br />
*'''[http://www.petertatchell.net/age%20of%20consent/14%20gay%20boyfriend.htm Lee]'''<br />
*:Gay sex at 8 / various illegal / all consenting "Lee is 14. He's been having sex with boys since the age of eight, and with men since he was 12. Lee has a serious problem. He wants a steady relationship and has been going out recently with a guy in his mid-twenties, who he met at the hairdressers. But in the eyes of the law, Lee's partner is a paedophile and Lee is a victim of child abuse. That's not, however, the way Lee sees it: "I want to have a boyfriend. It's my choice. No one's abusing me. Why should we be treated like criminals?". This is a live issue for Lee because he prefers relationships with older guys. "I don't get on with people my own age", says Lee. "They're too immature. I like men in their 20s or early 30s. They are more experienced and serious. With them, you can get into a closer relationship than with a teenager"."<br />
*'''[http://danpedo.sexualpolitik.se/english/davidgb.php#1 David]'''<br />
*:Gay sex at 13 with a man in his mid-30s. "[O]ne day he started telling me about all the boys he'd had, and.., we finally ended up in the next room. We had a good time. I actually thought it was a little funny; at one point I even started to laugh. I don't know why -- I just had this weird need to laugh. [...] It was all so new. It was exciting. [...] (Interviewer: It [your relationship] all sounds very rosy...) Yes, it's really, really great."<br />
*'''[http://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/vigilance-vital-to-keeping-vile-paedophiles-at-bay-57221.html Unnamed 13/14-year-old boy]'''<br />
*:Claims that he consented, but others saw it very differently! [username: as@df.com, p/w: asdf] "The young lad in question, who was 13 when his contact with these paedophiles began, claims that the sexual relationships he had with them were all consensual. In other words, he is stating that he was not raped, and that, to his mind at least, there was no abuse."<br />
*'''[http://www.logicalreality.com/openbb/read.php?TID=1785&page=4 Pat Kelly]'''<br />
*:Aged 5, he helped a boy, 17, masturbate; was grateful for his invitation (Forum down. Pat was the webmaster behind the rational humanist website LogicalReality.com and the associated forums. He claims to have enjoyed hiding in a garage and masturbating the other boy, much like a schoolboy would enjoy being allowed into the staffroom - the world of adults, with which he was so fascinated).<br />
*'''[http://www.martijn.org/info/OK41_EN_1.html Andre and Dennis]'''<br />
*:Educationalist on his relationship with a primary schoolboy. ". Actually, it really lasted quite a while before the sexual side of our relationship started to take shape; I did not dare begin with this so soon. André does feel a bit guilty towards Dennis' mother that he never brought up the sexuality. He asks himself if she may not have figured out after all, because every now and then she has made remarks that could point to that. She does know that Dennis and André have a very physical contact with each other and kiss each other. Basicly, he would like to talk about it, but, understandably, this is not easy. On being asked, Dennis had a clear opinion: 'She does not need to know!'"<br />
*'''"[http://www.martijn.org/page.php?id=1171983 11-year-old faggot]"'''<br />
*:Talks to NAMbLA. Boys speak out. Order: Nambla, P. O. Box 174, Midtown Sta. New York, NY10018 "My first statement is that I want to dispel the image that a child is an ''innocent little puppy dog''. Children have plenty of knowledge about life, the universe and everything. But adults tend not to listen to their children. This ''innocent puppy'' syndrome represses the child's social, sexual, political, economical, and emotional desires. Children are not taken seriously and are expected to conform to a society in which they can't question its validity. This has got to stop! [...] A child is a sexual being. Therefore, children should have the right to explore any aspect of sexuality they desire to engage in. Why do parents, politicians, and police (the 3 p's) feed guilt into children that are sexually active? [...] Many people have been destroyed because of intergenerational relationships, people who could offer the world a lot if they had just not been persecuted for being different. Burning witches is a pastime which is just regaining popularity in the States."<br />
*'''[http://www.p-loog.info/English/interview_3_b/johnny.htm Johnny]'''<br />
*:Maternally approved Gay sex at 12 "(Interviewer: What are the negative aspects of your contact with Ferdinand?) Tss ... There aren't any. [...except] to explain that to my family, or to keep his orientation hidden from them."<br />
*'''[http://www.p-loog.info/English/interview_3_b/peter.htm Peter]'''<br />
*:Happy with pedophile contacts from an early age (around ten) "(Interviewer: What are the negative aspects of your contact with Ferdinand?) I don't have any."<br />
*'''[http://www.p-loog.info/English/interview_3_b/stephan.htm Stephan]'''<br />
*:Descriptive account of yet another acceptable relationship, beginning at age 11. "Ferdinand really picked me up in a terrific way. I have learned lots from him, I've had many experiences and I've done lots of things with Ferdinand. I have learned something about human nature from Ferdinand. And other important things in society, responsibility, how to go about with money. I still don't do that very well, you know, it just didn't stick with me. But, you know, that sort of thing. The important things in life. Before Ferdinand I didn't know about any of these things and through him I have discovered them. Also, I always say, "I didn't have a childhood until I met Ferdinand. Then I received my childhood." And that is really how it was because before that I had so many problems. [...] (Interviewer: What are the negative aspects of your contact with Ferdinand?) Not one! That is very easy to say. Not one."<br />
*'''[http://web.archive.org/web/20040823204921/http://www.logicalreality.com/openbb/read.php?TID=164 Pluto]'''<br />
*:Emotional need for sex with a boy, at 56, after enjoying the reverse long ago. Pluto's early childhood experience involved showering with a grown man, and enjoying sexual contact. At the time of the act, it would have most certainly been disapproved of, but there was no moral panic in place to rob him of his self-worth. "Yes, I did have sex with an adult when I was very young--10, 11, 12 years old--and I treasure and cherish the memories... [...] I was not hurt in any way by it. i only wish there had been more times when he fooled around with me."<br />
*'''[http://www.ipce.info/host/sandfort_87/Appendix.htm Thijs and Joop]''' (in [[Theo Sandfort]]'s ''Boys on their contacts with men'')<br />
*:Befriended by a boylover at nine, and enjoying sex "(Interviewer: What do you find the unpleasant aspects of sex with Joop?) There aren't any. I don't know of any, at least. [...] (Interviewer: Can you say who starts it, when you have sex?) Either of us. Sometimes me, yeah, mostly me. But he, too, real often. [...] (Interviewer: What do you think your mother would feel about your having sex with Joop?) I guess she'd think it was dirty. She'd think a man doing that with a child wasn't normal, that you just shouldn't do it. That's what she'd say. (Interviewer: And how do you feel about her thinking that way?) Rotten stupid! Although I wouldn't tell her it was rotten stupid. I mean, what business is it of hers? It's my business what I do. [...] (Interviewer: How do you feel about your having sex with Joop?) It's just really nice. (Interviewer: It's no problem for you?) It's just like a man going to bed with a woman--I think it's exactly the same: nice. And the feelings and so on they have, I have too."<br />
*'''[http://www.freewebtown.com/newsstand/archive/0316.html Unnamed Indian Boy]'''<br />
*:Newspaper article about M8 + M19 sex and the victim syndrome "Once I was about 15, I grew familiar with terms like paedophilia and child abuse and started to realise what I had been through. This too had a downside. I found myself in 'the victim syndrome'. I started using this incident as an excuse to endear myself to people and constantly looked at myself as victimised in relationships and emotional circumstances. This persists even today but I try to rid myself of this misery."<br />
*'''[http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showpost.php?p=3730495&postcount=250 Sateryn]'''<br />
*:Got a 'kick' out of illegal sex play with adults, at five, but disliked the following investigation "you know the most traumatic part about being molested as a child? sitting in a room with your parents and a therapist staring at you, forcing you to take naked cloth dolls and use them to put on a puppet show to show the adults what happened to you. the physical act of it? the molestation itself? hell, it was interesting... i was 5, it was something new, and i lucked out in that it wasn't violent, just people getting their rocks off - and quite frankly i got a kick out of it, at the time."<br />
*'''[http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?p=3924233#post3924233 IIDB]'''<br />
*:Another member comments about their indifference, and expands later on. "I remember one incident when I was 9 or so and my uncles were 20 and 21. They brought me and a cousin who's about my age to their room and we engaged in oral sex. It was a one-time thing, but I didn't repress the memory, felt ashamed by it, or otherwise damaged by it. We didn't talk about it though, and it doesn't come to mind often. Is that counted as abuse? I had no strong feelings about it then or now. [...] I don't claim that it didn't affect me then, but it affected me in the way sexual activities affect us at that age - that of guilt of doing something I was taught is wrong or shameful. It's the same feeling I got then after masturbation and sexual experimentation with my friends, male and female."<br />
*'''[https://www.boychat.org/messages/967788.htm Hangtwenty]'''<br />
*:1950s boylove with an oversexed 12-year-old. "....The most intense affair happened between 1956 and 1958.... The boy, who was 12 when it started, not only told me that I was his 'best friend', but that I was his 'only friend'...! ....Since we both lived with our parents then, and both lived in the same apartment house, we were together alot... His intensity to be sexual with me was much stronger than mine was for him..!"<br />
*'''[http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,,1589948,00.html Prominent British men on fagging in their public schools]'''<br />
*:Article by the Guardian<br />
*'''[http://www.inquisition21.com/article~view~69~page_num~2.html Gerald]'''<br />
*:Convicted for loving sex with teenage boys, after they made unfortunate spousal choices.<br />
*'''[http://www.martijn.org/info/2000_002_EN.html Dirk Tieleman]'''<br />
*:A journalist claims that a slightly coercive relationship worked to his own benefit. "When I was thirteen, a boy of seventeen sexually used me for a period of time with slight coercion, but I never really felt bad about that. He jacked me off and forced me to jack him off, and at first I felt uncomfortable about that, but after a few times I began to enjoy it myself and the aspect of coercion trailed off. Off course, being a thirteen-year-old boy, I found it curious that I was doing such things with another boy, but I realize now that this first sexual experience has helped me approach girls - to whom I was far more attracted - confidently and without qualms later on. That first sexual experience with a boy was, to me, the perfect introduction to sexuality. [...] In the past years, since the Dutoux scandal, I've been hearing people say all the time that any form of sex with children would automatically lead to great disturbances and 'damage the innocent child's soul beyond repair', but I feel confident in stating with absolute certainty that I haven't suffered the least bit of damage from my first sexual experiences with that older boy - not as a child, and not now. On the contrary: I have always had a very normal and healthy sex life, perhaps even because of that first experience."<br />
*'''[http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/s_553687.html Kevin B. Johnson's Boyfriend]'''<br />
*:"The second boy [15/16?] described a sexual relationship with Johnson that began when the youth was a freshman in 2004 and continued until last month. He told police, "I am not a victim. I was a willing participant," according to the affidavit."<br />
*'''[http://www.ipce.info/booksreborn/martinson/infant/InfantAndChildSexuality.html Floyd Martinson in his book "Infant and Child Sexuality"]'''<br />
*:Martinson quotes another's experience: "My first homosexual experience came at the age of five or six, when I would play with this boy who was at that time about sixteen. He would ask me if I wanted to go into his house for something to eat, like some cookies or something. Of course I would go. Next he would ask me if I would go into the bedroom with him. Upon entering the bedroom, he would undress and ask me to do the same. I would, probably out of fright. I distinctly remember his body being very hairy, so perhaps I underestimated his age. Anyway, after undressing, he would tell me to bend over and then he would insert his erect penis into my anal region and start thrusting back and forth. He would then stimulate my penis and want me to do the same to him. We also masturbated each other, with him reaching orgasm and myself only being stimulated. I also spent some time in oral-genital contact. I did find the whole experience quite pleasing and continued to engage in these activities for a week or two. Then, and I don't recall why, we suddenly stopped doing it completely." <br />
*'''[http://home.wanadoo.nl/ipce/library_two/rind/rind_gay_boys_app.htm Bruce Rind, quoting accounts from Savin-Williams (1997).]'''<br />
*:[B: 13, M: 22] "Subject and adult brother often massaged each other. "This time, however, I got a little hard and then he noted I had grown so much since he last saw me naked. He asked me jokingly if he could suck my dick. I said 'yes' so we got off on each other. He did me and then I did him. He came all over me but I did not. This lasted a month until he headed back to work. I do miss him as a friend and a brother. Was nothing romantic." Subject added, "I liked it, ... felt good. I wanted to do it again and again. I already knew my brother was gay and that I was attracted to men so this did not prove or disprove that I was gay."<br />
*:[B: 15, M: 27] "[It was with] the mailman, honest to God! On and off for two years. The first time was when I came to the door to get a special delivery package in my sheer designer underwear, from American Male. I was changing to go back to school. He sprouted a boner, I got hard, he grabbed mine, I grabbed his, and we were off and running. Every day I'd come home for lunch; my mother worked. I had to be quick so he'd not get docked for late deliveries. He had a real thing for redheads like me. He was very forward, connected with me, and told me how hot I was. Talked about our backgrounds. It ended when he suddenly got transferred and contact became difficult. We visited each other and had sex, but it was hard and we agreed mutually because of the distance that it was better that we be friends and not lovers" (p. 172).<br />
*:[B: 12, M: 22] It lasted 9 months with his science teacher. "It developed over time and was great. We became friends and I invited him over once when my parents weren't home. I practically had to force sex on him because he was afraid about losing his job. Ended when I went away for the summer and he wasn't a teacher at my school no more" (p. 163). " <br />
*:[B: 12, M: 35] The man was a family friend; the sex was mutually initiated, oral, off and on for 10 years (a couple of times per month), and "physically great." It confused the subject that the man was married, yet was willing to have sex with him. "Eventually I fell in love with him; knew I was gay but did not broadcast this; I was curious because of the age difference. Mutual oral sex happened after he fondled me; it was the first orgasm I ever had." <br />
*:[B: 13, M: 38] "Family friend. I initiated on a camping trip; we were in same tent at state park; oral sex to orgasm for both of us; several times during the night; incredibly erotic, tremendous release, very pleasurable. Not real close; didn't enjoy kissing. Afterwards scary because I enjoyed it so much. Not wanting to be near him on the trip because afraid others would notice. Once per month for the next 4 years that I initiated; never talked about it; sex was all it was. Wished I was straight so the attractions would go away, because the sexual gratification was so strong." <br />
*:[B: 14, M: 26] "It was with a stranger; he initiated it; it involved oral and mutual masturbation, we did it 10 more times. I was excited, was loved and in love, got affection, but was not prepared for sex. It was not so l much that I wanted his affection; I was attracted to him. This relationship lasted a week then three months later we met again and we were sexual."<br />
<br />
*'''[[Bruce Rind]] - "The Problem with Consensus Morality", Archives of Sexual Behavior, Vol. 31, No. 6, December 2002'''<br />
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::"These are based on a sampling of interviews I recently conducted on individuals who learned about me from publicity surrounding my publications and contacted me to tell their stories. These cases, involving five men who had sex as boys around age 10 with men, dispute Schmidt’s claim that there can never be sexual consensus between prepubescents and adults. The cases are cross-national, coming from Australia, Canada, England, France, and the United States. The first three men are homosexual and the last two are heterosexual. All names have been altered to preserve confidentiality.<br />
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:*Case 1. Nathan, a 45-year-old Brit, began being intensely curious about adult male genitalia when he was 8. At this age, in attempt to satisfy this curiosity, he surreptitiously went into the room of his household’s sleeping man servant and fondled him under his bed covers. By age 10, his curiosity had turned into sexual arousal. He unsuccessfully tried to solicit sex from men in locker rooms. At age 11, he met a neighbor man, whom he worked on over many visits in attempt to initiate sex. Eventually, he succeeded. In his many repeats with the man over the next 2 years, Nathan reported that hewas the "conductor" - he controlled the sexual interactions. While still a boy, he had several other sexual relations with men, all of which he viewed as very positive. He thinks the sex helped his sexual self-confidence: as he matured, he knew exactly what he wanted in sex, while his peers were still searching.<br />
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:*Case 2. James, a 23-year-old Canadian, first felt sexually aroused by other males at age 6 and had his first sex at 8 with a peer. At 11, he befriended a neighbor man, towhom he gave many signals, hoping for sex to occur. Eventually, it did, which made him feel proud and closer to the man. Over the next 3 years, he visited the man regularly, often secretly to avoid the possibility of his parents ending the relationship. He saw the relationship as very positive and said it built his personality (e.g., greater self-confidence) and influenced many of his tastes (e.g., an appreciation for literature).<br />
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:*Case 3. Daniel, a 33-year-old Frenchman, was physically affectionate with his father starting at age 6. By 8, he became sexually attracted to him. At 10, he initiated sexual fondling with him, which the father accepted. In the sexual relationship, which lasted 4 years, Daniel always initiated the sex. In retrospect, he cherished the intimacy and described the relationship as "beautiful, pure, security, confidence, and love." He said it built his sexual self-confidence.<br />
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:*Case 4. At age 8, Dennis, a 21-year-old American, initiated sexual contact with a man friendly with his family, whom he suspected of being involved with his older brother. Sex occurred between them for the next 2 years. He said he usually initiated the encounters because he was always ready for sex. He described the relationship as the most positive he has ever had. He saw himself as having the upper hand, because he felt he had control over the man, who went to great lengths to fulfill his wishes. He felt that his adolescent and adult sexual relations went more smoothly because of the competence he got from these early experiences. Asked how a heterosexual male could have enjoyed homosexual relations, he answered that he was attracted to sex back then, not females or males per se.<br />
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:*Case 5. John, a 22-year-old Australian, first realized his sexual arousal to girls at age 8. By 9, he felt lonely and was bullied by older boys, when he met a male neighbor in his late teens. They quickly became friends, and John spent a lot of time at his house. The young man eventually initiated masturbatory sex with him. John was at first apprehensive that otherswould find out, but became comfortable with the sex once he felt safe from this concern. The relationship lasted 3 years. He was proud to be seen with the older male, saw him as his protector, and saw the intimacy they had as the highlight of his life. Asked if the relationship was consenting, he said yes, because he wanted it, the young man wanted it, he loved the young man, so consent meant, "Yes, do it.""<br />
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*'''[http://www.ipce.info/ipceweb/Library/01oct01c_my_father.htm My Father and I]'''<br />
*:Positive man-boy incest is interrupted by a mother. "My father molested me from the time I was two till I was 15. We would lie naked and he would play with my penis. Then he would give me oral sex. When I was old enough I then started sucking him too. He never hurt me or tried to have anal sex with me, even though I wanted him to. I had anal sex with him, a few times, once my father decided my penis was big enough. My father and I would plan things around the times where we could meet and make each other feel good. My mother found out and two months ago my father was sent to prison. What my father did to me was not rape, at all. He never hurt me. In fact, I looked forward to spending the time with him but my mother and the police don't seem to listen."<br />
*'''[http://www.ipce.info/ipceweb/Library/00dec18c_a_professor_speaks.htm William Percy]'''<br />
*:Article "UMASS professor advocates pederasty." William Armstrong Percy III says that when he was 14, he seduced a male soldier while traveling on a train. "I never got enough sex with an older man. I don't see that I was harmed at all, except being deprived of not having more," said Percy. "I was already the aggressor."<br />
*'''[http://www.ipce.info/library_3/files/tindall.htm The male adolescent involved with a pederast becomes an adult]'''<br />
*:Several accounts. "During his 11th year he began spending his spare time around a service station, where he became acquainted with a master mechanic who was then in his early 40s, married, and childless. [...] On a fishing trip, during a break on an island, they began talking about sex, which led to Denver's being fellated by the mechanic and to masturbation of the mechanic by Denver. For the next 5 years mutual fellatio occurred two or three times per week. Sexual activity with the mechanic ceased at about age 19, but a close relationship continued to exist until the mechanic's death. Denver is now 44 years of age. [...] Denver remarried and has been a valued mechanic with the same company for 20 years. He has a supervisory position and believes that his relationship with his mechanic friend helped him reach his goals. He says he would have approved a similar relationship for either of his sons, had he become aware of such a situation. He reports no desire to have sex with males since approximately age 20."<br />
*'''[http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/10/19/national/main2104978.shtml Mark Foley]'''<br />
*:Former American Republican, @13y/o. "The Rev. Anthony Mercieca, 72, described several encounters that he said Foley might perceive as sexually inappropriate, the Sarasota Herald-Tribune reported. They include massaging Foley while the boy was naked, skinny-dipping together at a secluded lake in Lake Worth and being nude in the same room on overnight trips. "Once maybe I touched him or so ... but I didn't, it's not something you call rape or penetration or anything like that," Mercieca told West Palm Beach station WPTV in a phone interview. "He seemed to like it, you know? So it was sort of more like a spontaneous thing". Mercieca said."<br />
*'''[http://richarddawkins.net/article,118,Religionrsquos-Real-Child-Abuse,Richard-Dawkins Richard Dawkins]'''<br />
*:From an article of his, that despite not being exactly sex - positive, goes as far as is 'acceptable' in playing down the impact of nonviolent, situational fondling of children by priests, whilst attacking the religious dogmas that sometimes cause so much shame after such encounters. "Being fondled by the Latin master in the Squash Court was a disagreeable sensation for a nine-year-old, a mixture of embarrassment and skin-crawling revulsion, but it was certainly not in the same league as being led to believe that I, or someone I knew, might go to everlasting fire. As soon as I could wriggle off his knee, I ran to tell my friends and we had a good laugh, our fellowship enhanced by the shared experience of the same sad pedophile. I do not believe that I, or they, suffered lasting, or even temporary damage from this disagreeable physical abuse of power. Given the Latin Master’s eventual suicide, maybe the damage was all on his side."<br />
*'''[http://www.ipce.info/ipceweb/Statements/factoids.htm Heinz Kohut]'''<br />
*:Strozier, quoting the Psychologist on his relationship as a child: "I had this private tutor, who was a very important person in my life. He would take me to museums and swimming and concerts and we had endless intellectual conversations and played complicated intellectual games and played chess together" They also did sexual things together, which they both enjoyed, but Kohut felt the sex was more or less incidental. The important thing for him was the relationship. He said "I was an only child. So it was in some way psychologically life-saving for me. I was very fond of this fellow." Heinz was about 10 or 11 at the time. He describes his years with his tutor as being perhaps the happiest ones in his life."<br />
*'''[http://news.scotsman.com/farrightineurope/Fortuyn-favoured-depraved.2326187.jp Pim Fortuyn]'''<br />
*:Populist, anti - immigration, homosexual Politician from the Netherlands (deceased): "Fortuyn's first experience occurred when he was five years old. "The Dutch soldier asks if I want to see his tent. That's what I want. I like it and they all are sleeping on the ground in a sleeping-bag. I ask if it is hard and cold to sleep on the ground. Oh no, come here. Together we crawl in his sleeping-bag. The soldier asks my name and I ask his name. “He is called Arie and he asks if I like that name. Yes, I think that's a nice name and I lie beside him, nice and warm." Fortuyn then described a close sexual encounter with the soldier before leaving his sleeping-bag "to go and play outside." He added: "Can I come back tomorrow? Yes, tomorrow I may come back, says Arie." A few pages later, he describes another incident: "I went to the park for a walk, it was very silent and the sun was shining. On the bench sat a young fellow. I stood still, curious." Fortuyn relates another sexual encounter - this time in explicit detail. He concludes: "I was frightened and ran away to my home, to my mother. Excited, I ran into the room. My mother looked at me searchingly and asked what had happened. Nothing, of course. Watch out, little man, was the only thing she said. A glass of lemonade made me calm down. Yes, that was exciting." Most telling is his appraisal of these memories. "In chapter 1 about the 1950s, I wrote about my early sexual experiences, experiences that I see as an enrichment. Today, an experience like that in the park could easily lead to a complaint by parents to the police because of paedophilia, and the relevant young man would be in trouble. But why? "He didn't do me any harm. On the contrary, he showed me something that was incomprehensibly exciting and I could feel and touch it, but today we are ready to interfere with complete teams of professionals. By interfering in such an irritating and grown-up way in the world of children, we make an enormous problem of something that for a child is no problem at all and is only exciting.""<br />
*'''[http://www.mwillett.org/Debate/viewtopic.php?p=121929#121929 Todd Nickerson]'''<br />
*:A self-declared pedophile writes: "I did have a single sexual encounter with an adult when I was a child, though I would hardly describe it as traumatic or even unpleasant. My memory of being touched—and that’s all it amounted to—is that it was, at most, a little confusing since I didn’t really understand what was taking place. Not that I really minded, though. In fact, after it occurred, I went immediately to a relative and bragged to her about it."<br />
*'''[http://www.boylover.net/ Boylover.net member on experiences as an 11-year-old boy]'''<br />
*:"We piled back into the limo and it drove us to Toronto where we went to a stage play. I don’t remember what we saw because my head was still spinning about the fact that this attractive man, one who could have any female he wanted, was in love with me and was doing all this to make this night as special as he could. After the play, we headed for home. Limo drivers must have orders to ignore whatever they see going on in the back because ours got quite an eyeful. He was treated to the sight of an eleven-year-old boy and a nineteen-year-old man acting like boyfriends. We kissed, we petted, and we worked each other into an erotic frenzy, a frenzy for which there could only be one consummation."<br />
*'''[http://www.boylover.net/ Boylover.net member on intercourse]'''<br />
*:"I was 10 and it was with an Adult Friend. I did not, nor do I now think I was abused. (well not by my AF anyway) I liked it. We only ever did the things I wanted to do."<br />
*'''[http://www.helping-people.info/Treatment/sot/offender.htm#3-6a_narrative_force Frans Gieles in an article of his]'''<br />
*:"Craisatie (1998, among others page 117) describes a client who, as a child, had frequented a group, which in the book was called 'a child pornography ring'. As a child, he never had seen this as being abuse. Contrarily, he said that he'd gotten a lot of love, comradeship and care, which he did not get at home. Craisatie describes it as an example of successful treatment that his client ultimately abandoned his feeling of being loved and changed it into the feeling of being abused although this occurred only gradually and very late in the treatment process [...] Ehrenreich (2004) describes a man who for nineteen years was held in a closed clinic. He denied his offense, thus refused to speak about it, thus he did not cooperate, thus year after year his stay was renewed. Then, he changed tack: he 'acknowledged' his offense, he spoke about it, he did exactly what the therapists ordered, and said that he benefited from their treatment. This was the only way to be released. The man has been released. Then it turned out that his accusers had lied about everything they had said, under high pressure of the police: there never had been an offense."<br />
*'''Boy in Dan Tsang (1981)''', "The age taboo". London: Gay Men's Press. <br />
*:"It's often not the man who goes out to seduce the boy, but the other way round. In my first experience, I did the seducing. . . . It is mostly the boys who go out in search of sexual satisfaction from men..."<br />
*'''[http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=bta8oOuDtoI (Man?) on YouTube]'''<br />
*:An extremely detailed account that was hindered by a voice concealer. Person had a positive relationship as youngster, and has met pedophiles.<br />
*'''[http://www.sunstar.com.ph/static/net/2007/10/19/orphans.admit.clown.fondled.them.html Carlock the Clown]'''<br />
*:Some young children pleaded with authorities not to press charges against a clown who played with them sexually. "Surprisingly though, when asked by American embassy officials if they wanted their "Kuya Paul" charged in court for abusing them, all the three kids pleaded with the officials not to file a case against Carlock. "Please don't file a case against Kuya Paul. He is a good man, he is a good man," the kids said. "The kids told me that they loved the man so much because he was so good to them. They said they treated the man as their father. Paul gave them candies, lollipops," Karasuyama said." The clown was eventually [http://illinoishomepage.net/content/fulltext/?cid=9747 tasered and killed by police].<br />
*'''[http://terrygeorge.co.uk/home/?topic=440 Terry George on "phone sex" with Michael Jackson]'''<br />
*:According to George, Michael Jackson engaged him in "phone sex" at the age of 13: "I do not feel like a victim and I never did feel like a victim," he said. See [http://terrygeorge.co.uk/home/?folder=13 directory] for other articles.<br />
*'''[http://www.freetimes.com/stories/13/43/confessions-of-a-proud-pedophile-phillip-distasio-says-getting-caught-was-all-part-of-his-plan Phillip Distasio]'''<br />
*:Imprisoned for life; a proud pedophile activist who had a relationship with an older man at 12. "Distasio describes himself as a second-generation pedophile: at the age of 12, he began a relationship with an older man, a swimming instructor named Charlie, at a boys' club in Massachusetts. He says he's known about his proclivity since age 9. "To me," he says, “it is as valid as any other sexual orientation.""<br />
*'''[http://www.broadbandreports.com/shownews/Cleaning-Up-Tor-82218 "Jay78" commenting on broadbandreports.com]'''<br />
*:"Also, when I was about 6 years of age I was sexually "used" without coercion by an adult family member in ways that today would have put that person in prison. I almost forgot about that seemingly anecdotal incident and memory until I was reminded of it by the current hysteria over that kind of thing. Compared with the other things I experienced, that was not even worth thinking of, I would never hurt that person who did that and have a good relationship with that person today."<br />
*'''[http://www.ipce.info/library_3/files/rivas_howard_miller.htm "Howard Miller" as told to Titus Rivas, Ipce]'''<br />
*:"We would zip our sleeping bags together and he would tickle and massage me all over. He would tell me dirty jokes while helping me with my homework and get me aroused. Then we would masturbate together. He satisfied me and then himself or we satisfied ourselves while watching each other. I thought that he was fascinating to look at and occasionally touch but not to satisfy. [...] I have only good feelings about what happened but am sad that most people will never be able to understand that. I also wish that we didn't have to worry about each other getting into trouble with the society over what happened. [...] Because I had such a positive experience as a child I believe that I can say with absolute certainty that sometimes such relationships can be very positive. Notice I don't say that they always will be, but heck more than 50% of marriages end in divorce. Most real child abuse occurs in families. Should then marriage be outlawed?"<br />
*'''[http://www.boylover.net/info/scrapbook/kolya_03.html Loren Robb and Kolya - Bulletin]'''<br />
*:A man tells of his loving relationship with a young native Arctic boy who he brought up in New Zealand.<br />
*'''[http://youfoundme.org/mylife.html My Life - Youfoundme.org]'''<br />
*:A very long testimony written by a person known to a contact of Newgon.com. "It was the end of that summer that I learned what real heartache felt like. Sex was never the dominating factor in my relationship with James. I wanted to fool around a lot more than he did but I just liked being with him. He knew so much about construction and getting things to work that it was like being at school all the time except it was fun. Like any kid who hears his dad tell the same joke all the time I got tired of hearing "plumbings easy boy, just remember shit flows down hill". What I really didn't want to hear was the day James told me we couldn't do the sex thing anymore. I don't recall his exact words but something to the effect "this just isn't right or this isn't normal". I was crushed. It (our friendship) seemed so normal and great to me that I didn't understand why he felt that way. My suffering didn't come from the hands of an abuser, my suffer came from the words of a man who feared for my wellbeing. I kept telling him I was okay with things and nothing needed to change. Change did come and even my begging wouldn't get him to monkey around with me. It happened once or twice after the big talk but it was never the same."<br />
*'''[http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2372/is_4_41/ai_n9488757/pg_1 Jessica L. Stanley (Researcher)]'''<br />
*:"One man, at 14 years old, researched the location of gay bars and met a man with whom he had a few sexual encounters and with whom he has maintained a friendship for nearly 20 years."<br />
*'''[http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2372/is_3_39/ai_94130312 Curtis Dolezal (Researcher)]'''<br />
*:"participant was 10 when he had sexual contact on 20 occasions over 3 months with a 25-year-old male neighbor. The events involved mutual masturbation and oral sex. The participant did not feel coerced or hurt and did not feel it was sexual abuse "because I seduced the neighbor."<br />
*'''[[Paedophilia: The radical case|O'Carroll 1980, p.83-84]]'''<br />
*:"As a boy he became sexually mature at age twelve-and-a-half. "It was like the world was beginning to make sense, to take on purpose and meaning. [...] I regard my meeting with Mr. S., then aged twenty-six, as a critical turning point in my love life. Until then, sex was fun, felt good and left me only moderately guilty. Once I approached Mr.S. (Yes, I approached him) with my thirteen-year-old impatience for intimacy, he told no one, responded positively to my shaky advances (didn't even laught at me!) and simply embraced me. [...] Here was a masculine adult man (happily married even), who was interested in doing with me what I was already finding exciting with my boy-friends. And through this relationship a new dimension was added to my experience which has not occurred to me before - tenderness, affection and love. (...) This affection was, in its way, just as satisfying as the ecstatic orgasms that punctuated our days and nights together. I regard this man, this relationship as a turning point because I was never the same after knowing him for two years - I was more in tune with myself after that...".<br />
*'''[[Sex met kinderen]], pages 75-76. (Untranslated - [[Frits Bernard]])'''<br />
*:A 25 year old man tells of a relationship struck up with a gay man when he was eight. They started having sex when he was ten, something that he enjoyed. The relationship lasts until he is 18.<br />
*'''"En me vriendje houdt van mij: 23 verhalen uit het leven gegrepen", edited by Ben Füss and Gorrit Goslinga (Eindhoven: Stichting Uitgeverij NVSH, 1981)'''<br />
*:"We had just moved and that was how I met a nice man, as a 13-year-old. We talked a lot, in his room. He was very interested in art and possessed a lot of books with pictures of works of art and sculptry. I had little interest for this but did not want to hurt Dick's feelings. Only the pictures that showed nudity captured my interest. I also tried to hide this. [...]" This interest was noticed by Dick and it led to Dick briefly caressing the boy's genitals. Dick was very cautious and tried to end it immediately. The boy was very eager to have additional sexual experiences and finally persuaded Dick to allow him a visit. One thing led to another and the end result was a tender sexual relationship that lasted for about six years. After the war he re-established a life-long friendship with Dick, though without the sexual aspect. He was there when Dick died at age 83. He adds: "The value of this relationship is something I continue to cherish till this very day."<br />
*'''[http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/15/science/15gajdusek.html "D. Carleton Gajdusek, Who Won Nobel for Work on Brain Disease, Is Dead at 85"]'''<br />
*:"D. Carleton Gajdusek, a virologist who won the 1976 Nobel Prize in medicine for his work on the mysterious epidemics now known as prion diseases, died last week in Tromso, Norway. [...] In later life, Dr. Gajdusek became notorious when he was charged with molesting the many young boys he had adopted in New Guinea and Micronesia and brought to live with him in Maryland. He pleaded guilty to one charge, served a year in prison and left the United States in 1998, dividing his time between Paris, Amsterdam and Tromso. [...] He also remained unrepentant about the sexual relationships with his adopted sons, Dr. Klitzman said. He considered American law prudish and pointed out that sex with young men was normal in the cultures he studied and in the classic Greek societies at the foundation of Western civilization. His legal assistant, Dorrie Runman, who was previously married to one of his sons, John Runman, said Dr. Gajdusek’s survivors included “his adopted sons and daughters, including Yavine Borimaand Jesse Mororui-Gajdusek in the United States, and two nephews, Karl Lawrence Gajdusek and Mark Terry.” His children were legally adopted, Ms. Runman said. He put several through college and graduate or medical school. Some of them, now in their 50s, supported him during his legal troubles, while one sibling testified against him."<br />
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*'''[http://www.jungsforum.net/politik/messages/159581.htm Anon, in Berliner Zeitung (Translation)]'''<br />
*:"Being 52 now, I got a relationship with a man at the age of 8-9 of whom I was told later that he was a paedophile. The relationship went on until I was about 14 years old and we were lucky that it remained undiscovered and free of police enquiries. Even today, so many years later, I remember my big friend with gratitude, as he made my coming out as a gay person later on – and many other things in my life - a lot easier for me. Since then, I have met numerous people who also had [consensual] sexual relationships with adults as children and teenagers and who are not ashamed of this. It is easy to understand why such people never get in touch with abuse counseling agencies, because they really don't need such help. That's how such centres get a completely one-sided view of so-called victims of abuse.".<br />
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*'''''Paedophilia - What It Means To The Child'' by [[Frits Bernard]], printed in [http://exitinterview.biz/rarities/panfull.htm PAN 3] (pp. 15 - 17)'''<br />
**"I was about 13 when I had my first paedophile experience. [...] The man who brought me into touch with homosexuality and whom I even loved physically was, and still is, one of my dearest friends. I remember what a wonderful feeling it was when he satisfied me for the first time. I was not troubled in the least by worries over having done 'perverted things', probably because I had no idea of what such things were. [...] The only trouble I have had over this was when I first told my fiancee about it."<br />
**"When I was seven I had contact with a man who was especially nice to me. He used to take me to his attic, sit me on his lap and play with me sexually. I thought it was very nice and enjoyed it. I always looked forward to Wednesday afternoons, the days when we saw each other. This went on for a long time. Later I had many contacts with other men, but never with boys my own age. One day I went with a waiter to his house. I was very interested and excited. We had unusually satisfying sex together. I must have been about 14. Back home I was restless and went to see him the very next day on my own initiative. We had intercourse about twenty times in the following period. [...] Now, after a good life, I can see these early contacts as very positive to my development. I would not like to have missed them and I do not envy the people who never had these opportunities."<br />
**"When I was about eight years old I got to know a man in the street who thought I played very nicely. He invited me out for a bicycle ride, and later to visit his home. [...] From him I recieved love, which actually I had never known (not, I mean, in the way I know it at present from my wife). [...] Later, when I was ten or eleven, we had sex with each other, something I always enjoyed."<br />
**Several further accounts involving slightly older minors are available in the article.<br />
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*'''Zimmerman, Ann (1994). "[http://www.dallasobserver.com/1994-11-17/news/tell-mama-why-you-cry-part-i/5 'Tell Mama Why You Cry' (Part I)]," ''Dallas Observer'', November 17.'''<br />
*:"The tape of Tim's interview could not be located, but according to Black's notes, Tim had seen his father touch his sister on her private parts on several occasions. "He stated his father tickles Lima on her private parts and she likes it. When questioned further, Tim revealed his father also touches him on his private parts...at his house...Tim stated he doesn't mind his father doing this."<br />
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*'''Leahy, Terry. (1992). "Positively Experienced Man/Boy Sex: The Discourse of Seduction and the Social Construction of Masculinity," ''Journal of Sociology'', 28(1), 71-88.'''<br />
*:A study of eight people who perceived their childhood (under 16) contacts with adults positively.<br />
*:"Derek describes his first sexual encounter with a man in the following way. He is at the park at six o’clock on the swing. A man rushes towards him and begins to strip off:<br />
*::I just sat there looking. I didn’t know what to do but sort of thrilling. I looked, gawked, sort of ... I didn’t mind, I just kept on swinging on the swing. And I wasn’t scared or anything and he just come up to me and said ’Oh, how are ya?’ and I said ’Oh, not too bad’. In other words, coming on to me. And he turned around and said, ’Oh, what’s your name?’ And I’d tell him my name ’cause I wasn’t scared or anything because it was in a park and it was about six o’clock, really early, six, you know what I mean. And he just said, ’Would you like a drink?’ and I said ’No’. Then I started getting a bit nervy, nervous sort of thing. I knew, I must ... I knew in a way that he’d do something. So I just sat there, you know, and he said, ’Oh, would you like to come for a drive?’ Well I rushed him! So I just went for a drive with him and there we got off. First time, we got off ... I wanted to try it out. So I tried it. It was a really good feeling. Ever since then I kept on going.<br />
*:Here the narrative of this event begins with Derek sitting innocently on the swing. A man appears with obvious sexual intentions. Derek is instantly thrilled and takes voyeuristic pleasure in seeing him undress. He is not scared to go with the man and in fact ’rushes’ him. The sex is great and he has an orgasm. Even anal sex, though a bit uncomfortable at first, is enjoyed. All this has happened because he wanted to try it out and having done so he is eager to repeat the experience. This is typical of the discourse of male adolescent sexuality - spontaneous, adventurous, sexual pleasure is guaranteed, and casual contact is exciting. Derek presents himself as an active and initiating party. The events that take place are in reponse to his emerging self constituted sexual desire. All this works against any interpretation of Derek as a victim of homosexual seduction. Summarising his attitude to these sexual encounters on another occasion he concludes:<br />
*::I mean to say, sex is sex, you gotta, you know, well ... The way I feel, what would you do without it? It’s just something normal. Sex is just normal for everybody. Not just for me, for everybody and to do without ... I reckon it would be pretty hard to do without it so you’re just going to have to think.<br />
*:[...]<br />
*:Christopher’s interview provides a thorough discussion of these issues. At the time when he was interviewed he was in his mid thirties. His relationship with an adult gay man, George, began when he was about nine years old and lasted till he was eighteen. In a wry comment on the discourse of seduction he offered this remark:<br />
*::So I suppose then, you want to know now if I’m fucked up now sexually because of this terrible trauma of my childhood? Well - no. Umm. My main thrust - pun! - is heterosexual but ahh, I still occasionally sleep with males but when I say occasionally I mean very occasionally.<br />
*:[...]<br />
*:In particular, in discussing the various sexual activities in which he was engaged, Christopher stresses the physical pleasures of various acts and argues that his initial reservations about particular practices (oral sex, anal sex) were broken down as he received physical pleasure from these activities and came to feel that it was only fair to reciprocate."<br />
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<div>'''Michael Ingram''', a Catholic priest and child psychologist, carried out an important study of a sample of 92 sexual contacts between men and boys.<ref> M. Ingram, A study of 92 cases of sexual contact between adult and child', British Journal of Sexual Medicine, Vol 6, No.44,January 1979, p, 22f(Part 1), and Vol 6, No.45, February 1979, p. 24f (Part 2).</ref> He was also briefly embroiled in controversies involving PIE in 1977.<br />
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==Views about pedophilia==<br />
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While he did not defend pedophilia ''per se'', Ingram believed, on the basis of his experience and empirical studies, that children could benefit from the physical affection often shown in these relationships. He also believed that if and when they came to light, the processes of investigation and interrogation could often be more damaging to the child than the sexual contact itself. In general, Ingram was highly critical of those who appeared to think that sexual 'sins' were the only sins worth being concerned about.<br />
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==Involvement in PIE controversy==<br />
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For the most part, 1977 was the year that the British public became aware of PIE through several reports in national papers. While these were mostly hostile, a few were more balanced and these included discussions of the views of Michael Ingram as briefly outlined above. In September of that year, PIE held a public meeting at Conway Hall, London. They had intended to present Ingram as a 'mystery' guest speaker, but he had been prevented from attending by his church superiors, and so Tom O'Carroll read out his speech instead. The meeting was notable for the hysterical lynch mob atmosphere surrounding it, with furious and violent reactions shown to those trying to enter and leave by the crowd assembled outside. <br />
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==References==<br />
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==External link==<br />
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[http://www.ipce.info/host/radicase/preface.htm ''Paedophilia: The Radical Case''] <br />
(Most of this article is based on O'Carroll's account.)<br />
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<div>'''Michael Ingram''', a Catholic priest and child psychologist, carried out an important study of a sample of 92 sexual contacts between men and boys.<ref> M. Ingram, A study of 92 cases of sexual contact between adult and child', British Journal of Sexual Medicine, Vol 6, No.44,January 1979, p, 22f(Part 1), and Vol 6, No.45, February 1979, p. 24f (Part 2).</ref> He was also briefly embroiled in controversies involving PIE in 1977.<br />
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==Views about pedophilia==<br />
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While he did not defend pedophilia ''per se'', Ingram believed, on the basis of his experience and empirical studies, that children could benefit from the physical affection often shown in these relationships. He also believed that if and when they came to light, the processes of investigation and interrogation could often be more damaging to the child than the sexual contact itself. In general,Ingram was highly critical of those who appeared to think that sexual 'sins' were the only sins worth being concerned about.<br />
<br />
==Involvement in PIE controversy==<br />
<br />
For the most part, 1977 was the year that the British public became aware of PIE through several reports in national papers. While these were mostly hostile, a few were more balanced and these included discussions of the views of Michael Ingram as briefly outlined above. In September of that year, PIE held a public meeting at Conway Hall, London. They had intended to present Ingram as a 'mystery' guest speaker, but he had been prevented from attending by his church superiors, and so Tom O'Carroll read out his speech instead. The meeting was notable for the hysterical lynch mob atmosphere surrounding it, with furious and violent reactions shown to those trying to enter and leave by the crowd assembled outside. <br />
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==References==<br />
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{{reflist}}<br />
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==External link==<br />
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[http://www.ipce.info/host/radicase/preface.htm ''Paedophilia: The Radical Case'']<br />
(Most of this article is based on O'Carroll's account.)<br />
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<div>'''Michael Ingram''', a Catholic priest and child psychologist, carried out an important study of a sample of 92 sexual contacts between men and boys.<ref> M. Ingram, A study of 92 cases of sexual contact between adult and child', British Journal of Sexual Medicine, Vol 6, No.44,January 1979, p, 22f(Part 1), and Vol 6, No.45, February 1979, p. 24f (Part 2).</ref> He was also briefly embroiled in controversies involving PIE in 1977.<br />
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==Views about pedophilia==<br />
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While he did not defend pedophilia ''per se'', Ingram believed, on the basis of his experience and empirical studies, that children could benefit from the physical affection often shown in these relationships. He also believed that if and when they came to light, the processes of investigation and interrogation could often be more damaging to the child than the sexual contact itself.<br />
<br />
==Involvement in PIE controversy==<br />
<br />
For the most part, 1977 was the year that the British public became aware of PIE through several reports in national papers. While these were mostly hostile, a few were more balanced and these included discussions of the views of Michael Ingram as briefly outlined above. In September of that year, PIE held a public meeting at Conway Hall, London. They had intended to present Ingram as a 'mystery' guest speaker, but he had been prevented from attending by his church superiors, and so Tom O'Carroll read out his speech instead. The meeting was notable for the hysterical lynch mob atmosphere surrounding it, with furious and violent reactions shown to those trying to enter and leave by the crowd assembled outside. <br />
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==References==<br />
<br />
{{reflist}}<br />
<br />
==External link==<br />
<br />
[http://www.ipce.info/host/radicase/preface.htm ''Paedophilia: The Radical Case'']<br />
(Most of this article is based on O'Carroll's account.)<br />
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[[Category:Official Encyclopedia]][[Category:People]][[Category:People: Academics]][[Category:People: Critical Analysts]][[Category:People: Sympathetic Activists]][[Category:People: British]]</div>Stephen Jameshttps://wiki.yesmap.net/wiki/index.php?title=Michael_Ingram&diff=5372Michael Ingram2009-07-05T15:26:39Z<p>Stephen James: </p>
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<div>'''Michael Ingram''', a Catholic priest and child psychologist, carried out an important study of a sample of 92 sexual contacts between men and boys.<ref> M. Ingram, A study of 92 cases of sexual contact between adult and child', British Journal of Sexual Medicine, Vol 6, No.44,January 1979, p, 22f(Part 1), and Vol 6, No.45, February 1979, p. 24f (Part 2).</ref> He was also briefly embroiled in controversies involving PIE in 1977.<br />
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==Views about pedophilia==<br />
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While he did not defend pedophilia ''per se'', Ingram believed, on the basis of his experience and empirical studies, that children could benefit from the physical affection often shown in these relationships. He also believed that if and when they came to light, the processes of investigation and interrogation could often be more damaging to the child than the sexual contact itself.<br />
<br />
==Involvement in PIE controversy==<br />
<br />
For the most part, 1977 was the year that the British public became aware of PIE through several reports in national papers. While these were mostly hostile, a few were more balanced and these included discussions of the views of Michael Ingram as briefly outlined above. In September of that year, PIE held a public meeting at Conway Hall, London. They had intended to present Ingram as a 'mystery' guest speaker, but he had been prevented from attending by his church superiors, and so Tom O'Carroll read out his speech instead. The meeting was notable for the hysterical lynch mob atmosphere surrounding it, with furious and violent reactions shown to those trying to enter and leave by the crowd assembled outside. <br />
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==References==<br />
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==External link==<br />
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[[Category:Official Encyclopedia]][[Category:People]][[Category:People: Academics]][[Category:People: Critical Analysts]][[Category:People: Sympathetic Activists]][[Category:People: British]]</div>Stephen Jameshttps://wiki.yesmap.net/wiki/index.php?title=Michael_Ingram&diff=5371Michael Ingram2009-07-05T15:10:03Z<p>Stephen James: </p>
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<div>'''Michael Ingram''', a Catholic priest and child psychologist, carried out an important study of a sample of 92 sexual contacts between men and boys.<ref> M. Ingram, A study of 92 cases of sexual contact between adult and child', British Journal of Sexual Medicine, Vol 6, No.44,January 1979, p, 22f(Part 1), and Vol 6, No.45, February 1979, p. 24f (Part 2).</ref> He was also briefly embroiled in controversies involving PIE in 1977.<br />
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==Views about pedophilia==<br />
<br />
While he did not defend pedophilia ''per se'', Ingram believed, on the basis of his experience and empirical studies, that children could benefit from the physical affection often shown in these relationships. He also believed that if and when they came to light, the processes of investigation and interrogation could often be more damaging to the child than the sexual contact itself.<br />
<br />
==Involvement in PIE controversy==<br />
<br />
1977 was the year that the British public became aware of PIE through several reports in national papers. While these were mostly hostile, a few were more balanced and these included discussions of the views of Michael Ingram as briefly outlined above. In September of that year, PIE held a public meeting at Conway Hall, London. <br />
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==References==<br />
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{{reflist}}<br />
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[[Category:Official Encyclopedia]][[Category:People]][[Category:People: Academics]][[Category:People: Critical Analysts]][[Category:People: Sympathetic Activists]][[Category:People: British]]</div>Stephen Jameshttps://wiki.yesmap.net/wiki/index.php?title=Michael_Ingram&diff=5366Michael Ingram2009-07-03T09:59:31Z<p>Stephen James: </p>
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<div>'''Michael Ingram''', a Catholic priest and child psychologist, carried out an important study of a sample of 92 sexual contacts between men and boys.<ref> M. Ingram, A study of 92 cases of sexual contact between adult and child', British Journal of Sexual Medicine, Vol 6, No.44,January 1979, p, 22f(Part 1), and Vol 6, No.45, February 1979, p. 24f (Part 2).</ref> He was also briefly embroiled in controversies involving PIE in 1977.<br />
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==Views about pedophilia==<br />
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While he did not defend pedophilia ''per se'', Ingram did feel, on the basis of his experience and empirical studies, that children could benefit from the physical affection often shown in these relationships. He also believed that if and when they came to light, the processes of investigation and interrogation could often be more damaging to the child than the sexual contact itself.<br />
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[[Category:Official Encyclopedia]][[Category:People]][[Category:People: Academics]][[Category:People: Critical Analysts]][[Category:People: Sympathetic Activists]][[Category:People: British]]</div>Stephen Jameshttps://wiki.yesmap.net/wiki/index.php?title=Michael_Ingram&diff=5365Michael Ingram2009-07-03T09:56:10Z<p>Stephen James: Just started this--to be continued!</p>
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<div>'''Michael Ingram''', a Catholic priest and child psychologist, carried out an important study of a sample of 92 sexual contacts between men and boys.<ref> M. Ingram, A study of 92 cases of sexual contact between adult and child', British Journal of Sexual Medicine, Vol 6, No.44,January 1979, p, 22f(Part 1), and Vol 6, No.45, February 1979, p. 24f (Part 2).</ref> He was also briefly embroiled in controversies involving PIE in 1977.<br />
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==Views about pedophilia==<br />
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While he did not defend pedophilia ''per se'', Ingram did feel, on the basis of his experience and empirical studies, that children could benefit from the physical affection often shown in these relationships. He also believed that if and when they came to light, the processes of investigation and interrogation could often be more damaging to the child than the sexual contact itself.<br />
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<div>'''Michael Ingram''', a Catholic priest and child psychologist, carried out an important study of a sample of 92 sexual contacts between men and boys.<ref> M. Ingram, A study of 92 cases of sexual contact between adult and child', British Journal of Sexual Medicine, Vol 6, No.44,January 1979, p, 22f(Part 1), and Vol 6, No.45, February 1979, p. 24f (Part 2).</ref> He was also briefly embroiled in controversies involving PIE in 1977.<br />
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{{reflist}}</div>Stephen Jameshttps://wiki.yesmap.net/wiki/index.php?title=Michael_Ingram&diff=5363Michael Ingram2009-07-03T09:42:40Z<p>Stephen James: New page: {{Underconstruction}} '''Michael Ingram''', a Catholic priest and child psychologist, carried out an important study of a sample of 92 sexual contacts between men and boys.<ref> M. Ingram...</p>
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'''Michael Ingram''', a Catholic priest and child psychologist, carried out an important study of a sample of 92 sexual contacts between men and boys.<ref> M. Ingram, A study of 92 cases of sexual contact between adult and child', British Journal of Sexual Medicine, Vol 6, No.44,January 1979, p, 22f(Part 1), and Vol 6, No.45, February 1979, p. 24f (Part 2).</ref> He was also briefly embroiled in controversies involving PIE in 1977.<br />
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{{reflist}}</div>Stephen Jameshttps://wiki.yesmap.net/wiki/index.php?title=Testimony:_Adult_Male_with_Minor_Male&diff=5354Testimony: Adult Male with Minor Male2009-07-01T09:45:45Z<p>Stephen James: </p>
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*'''[http://dir.salon.com/story/mwt/feature/2002/07/22/coming_of_age/ Minor report] by David Tuller in Salon.com, July 22, 2002.'''<br />
**An aircraft maintenance worker describes his first experience at thirteen with a man of about 30 who had hired him to do yard work. After inviting him inside and showing him pictures of men wrestling, the man “started rubbing my crotch, and I was both nervous and really excited by it.” He went on to seek out other significantly older men. “I never felt used. I really wanted it, and except for the first time I always felt like the aggressor.” <br />
**Noted gay novelist Edmund White talks about picking up men at Chicago beaches and public restrooms from the age of 13 or 14. “I was very oversexed, absolutely driven wild by desire. ... The first one was a handsome architect, who actually had children older than me. I was absolutely fascinated by him, and I seduced him. I followed him to his car, walked right up to him and started talking to him. My mother was away and I said, ‘Come back to my apartment.’ And it was terrific.” <br />
** In an essay about sex between adolescents and adults, David Tuller relates his own desire as a 15-year-old "tormented homosexual wannabe." Upon seeing the movie Summer of '42, in which a young widow "pulls Hermie into her arms and, in her grief, into her bed," he says, "I cried while I watched, ... because I so yearned for the tender moments that Hermie found." <br />
**A gay healthcare professional in his 50s discusses how the relationship he pursued with a family friend in his early 20s helped him learn at the age of fifteen that men could care for each other. "It was clear that it certainly felt good to both of us. ... In some way it was a real lifesaver, because it made me feel that love and affection and closeness and sex would be possible in my life. ... when we were together, it was like a little oasis where we could be ourselves." <br />
** A businessman in Denver recounts his two-year relationship, from age fifteen, with his 29-year-old boss at the restaurant where he worked. "It was frightening and invigorating and I felt clumsy and awkward. But he was playful and fun and very gentle. I never felt coerced. As foreign as it was to me I was very open to it. Afterwards, I felt good, like I'd experienced something I'd wanted to for a long time." Speaking of how it affected his life at the time, he says, "I wasn't an awkward, out-of-place kid anymore. I felt appreciated for being gay, instead of being an outcast and made fun of. Suddenly I had this new self-confidence. I didn't have to hate myself for being gay." <br />
*'''[http://www.boychat.org/messages/932440.htm A long and varied career by Ambar] on BoyChat, July 2005.'''<br />
*:A man recounts his earliest sexual experiences, including with his best friend’s father at eight years old: “He became my second very, very, very best friend and so began a wonderful, loving relationship. I still adore that man :-)” <br />
*'''[http://newgon.com/CPP/HFP-072.htm Letter from John] in HFP Mailbag and [http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/13023005/ Sexual Abuse from a Victim] by John Tate, December 7, 2004.'''<br />
*:A 17-year-old reports on the anguish in his life stemming from sexual activity with his grandfather from age seven and attributes the worst aspects to society’s attitudes about it: “I think if this sort of thing was tolerated I would not have felt so fucking alienated, so hated, as a child, I would have not been an outcast.” <br />
*'''[http://www.boychat.org/messages/932397.htm count me IN !!! :))] by siao on BoyChat, July 2005. '''<br />
*:A man recounts his first experience of sex with an adult at seven years old: “suddenly fun was "in" … gosh, what was that twirling feeling which went all thru me ???” He also speaks of such encounters with many other men, saying, “NOT A SINGLE ONE EVER ABUSED ME ! I was free to say 'YES!!!!' and also knew how to say 'no' if there were ever anything I might not want.” <br />
*'''[http://www.bostonmagazine.com/articles/boy_crazy/ Boy Crazy] in Boston Magazine, May 2001'''<br />
**Famous poet Allen Ginsberg commented on the 1977 pedophilia scandal in Revere, Massachusetts, "I had sex when I was 8 with a man in the back of my grandfather’s candy store in Revere, and I turned out okay." <br />
**Best-selling Canadian author James Dubro was 14 in 1961 when he started having sex with a 22-year-old college student who remains his friend 40 years later. <br />
*'''[http://newgon.com/CPP/BC-146796.htm My Story: A story of a boy] by Elf on BoyChat, October 1998.'''<br />
*:A man in his mid-20s tells his story. When he was nine or ten years old, he responded willingly to the seduction of a 16- or 17-year-old neighbor boy. They had a passionate love affair for over a year until they were discovered and his father beat him savagely. The older boy’s family disappeared from town. This man wrote of that affair as the best thing that ever happened to him and attributed his deep problems at the time of writing to the brutal way it was torn away from him. <br />
*'''"[http://newgon.com/CPP/Spike/xaboutme.htm Spike]" on his website'''<br />
*:A 15-year-old boy writes about his adult lover: “When I was 10, I found myself a mentor, a wonderful old man that needed me as much as I needed him. … J has been the best thing that could ever have happened to me. Everything I am today I owe to J. He and Mom are both educated people who believe that I must prepare myself for adulthood by learning how to learn, how to think for myself, and how to believe in myself … Mom sees the results of my association with J, and she could not be more pleased.” <br />
*'''[http://newgon.com/CPP/Hoby-mod.htm Hoby] on his website'''<br />
*:A boy proclaims his interest in adult men and says, “You should be able to love whoever you want when you want and as long as you both happy it dont matter what anyone else thinks.” <br />
*'''''[http://newgon.com/CPP/Arlekin/complain-mod.htm My Complaints]'' by David Alejandro, December 1996, on his website.'''<br />
*:A 13-year-old boy makes an impassioned plea for sexual freedom: “I want to love and be loved by whom I want. For the last two years I have an older friend. I am not gay, I like girls. He doesn’t, but we understand each other very well. It is nobody’s business what we do or don’t do. … Stop protecting me, please!” (Note: His site history page indicated that he was 13 when he posted this page and 15½ in June 1999. The English index pages said that he lived in the “Land of the Incas.”)<br />
*'''[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voor_een_verloren_soldaat Voor Een Verloren Soldaat] (For A Lost Soldier), autobiographical novel by Rudi van Dantzig, 1986 and 1992 movie made from it'''<br />
*:Acclaimed ballet dancer and choreographer Rudi van Dantzig tells the story of his brief romance at twelve with a Canadian soldier at the end of World War II. <br />
*'''[http://newgon.com/CPP/Stefan/index.htm Stefan] on his webpage'''<br />
*:A 12-year-old in Holland says, “I will tell you about my BEST friend. He’s 28 and works at home. I love him the most in the world and he loves me. He says I’m the cutest boy in the world.” <br />
*'''[http://www.scottohara.com/obit.htm Scott O'Hara], quoted in his obituary at the Spirit of Stonewall Press Conference, New York City, June 24, 1994.'''<br />
*:The publisher of Steam magazine says, “When I was 12 and 13 years old I would have joined NAMBLA in a minute, because I knew I was gay and I wanted to go out and get laid, not just read The Gay Mystique all my life; I needed personal contact.” <br />
*'''Ik Wilde Meer! (“[http://www.martijn.org/info/Martijn/martijn02.pdf I Want More!]”) in Martijn (PDF, 6 Mb), December 1980, page 16-18, in Dutch.'''<br />
*:A married man reports on his 6-year-long relationship with a man who showed him erotic art and masturbated him. The relationship later turned platonic and the younger man was at the older’s deathbed 37 years later. <br />
*'''[http://www.boylover.net/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi/topic/10/194.html tribute to frank] by mick15 on BoyLover.net, December 7, 2005.'''<br />
*:A teenaged boy describes his loving, sexual relationship with his soccer mentor, who had recently died. <br />
*'''I want to speak out!!!!!!!! by “15 yr old boy” on BoyChat, September 2000.'''<br />
*:A 15-year-old boy writes about his adult lover: “He is the best thing that has ever happened to me. … I wish this world would just open its eyes and see that relationships like this are healthy and good for boys my age—but yes only if the boy wants the relationship.” <br />
*'''[http://newgon.com/CPP/Adam-mod.htm There is Magic Out There] by Joshua Adam on his website.'''<br />
*:A 13-year-old in the 10th grade writes about the emotional support he gets from his older friend, Angel, who is helping him overcome the hatred cast upon him by his family and school for liking other boys. Angel and Adam have never met in person and do not plan to do so. Their relationship is entirely nonsexual, although it is definitely one of love and mentorship.<br />
*'''Author [http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1588180395 Kirk Read]'''<br />
*: In his 2001 book, How I Learned to Snap, Kirk Read tells of his sexual experiences with adults starting at age 13, which he says saved his life. "Intergenerational sex saved my life", "American culture's only frame of reference for sex with minors is abuse. I don't deny that abuse occurs, but this should be addressed on a case-by-case basis. A blanket approach that criminalizes all sex between adults and minors undermines the fact that for many gay teenagers, sex with an adult can be a beautiful, life-changing experience. It was for me", "I sought out sex with older men time and time again as a teenager. I had fumbling sexual encounters with other kids as a preadolescent, but they always left me unsatisfied. None of us knew what we were doing, and our shame and fear overwhelmed any joy of discovery" (pp.57-59) [http://www.nambla.org/snap.htm Reviewed] by NAMbLA.<br />
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*'''[http://newgon.com/CPP/Shane-mod.htm Shane] on his website'''<br />
*:A 14-year-old gay boy in Australia says, “I have one really good adult friend that knows about my sexuality, … Steve has never tried anything sexual with me, although I often wish he would.” <br />
*'''[http://www.boychat.org/messages/932399.htm Under My House . Tent Sleeping . Neighbors Bedroom] by Linca on BoyChat, July 2005. '''<br />
*:A man recounts his first experiences of sex, including with an adult neighbor at 14: “[He] did with me … what he had been wanting to do with me since I was 8 years old. We are friends to this day.” <br />
*'''Two posts by hyacinth on BoyChat: [http://newgon.com/CPP/BC-663921.htm May 2002] [1] and [http://www.boychat.org/messages/932570.htm July 2005] [2]'''<br />
*:A man describes his childhood sexual experiences with adults. The first was anal sex with a benedictine monk at 14 years old: “I was't stupid, at 14 I knew my way around … He was very nice and very gentle, and I liked him alot.” [1] Next was a relationship that lasted for a year and a half with a man and his two sons. [2] <br />
*'''[http://newgon.com/CPP/Benjamin-LettersOfBoy.htm Letters of a Loving Boy--Excerpted letters and diaries of boys], edited by Jarod Benjamin, 1997.'''<br />
*:A 14-year-old boy wrote a series of love letters, unsuccessfully courting an adult friend for a more intimate relationship. <br />
*'''[http://newgon.com/CPP/Mogenic-LikeGreece.htm Just Like Greece? — Gay Teen Dates Septuagenarian], an interview of “:John ”: by Brandon K. Thorp in ''Mogenic'', June 2006.'''<br />
*:A 22-year-old man talks about the 67-year-old man he met at the museum where they were both volunteering when he was 13. A friendship emerged based on unusually common interests for such a pair. The relationship evolved into mentoring and eventually romance, which became sexual two years later. They remained occassionally intimate for five years while the teenager also began to explore relationships with his age peers. Looking back on the man’s death when he was 20, he says, “He enhanced the quality of my youth, and his influence will likely enhance the quality of my entire adult life. And I enhanced his old age. We both got something out of it.” <br />
*'''[http://newgon.com/CPP/Aaron/index.htm Aaron], on his website'''<br />
*:A 15-year-old boy talks about his adult lover on his website. <br />
*'''[http://www.nambla.org/boys.htm Boys Speak Out on Man/Boy Love], NAMBLA, 1981.'''<br />
*:NAMBLA published a book with first-person accounts of 29 boys about their relationships with older men. Titles include ''The Best Thing That Ever Happened to Me'' by Greg, 16, ''It Shouldn’t Be a Crime to Make Love'' by Bryan, 12, ''If It Wasn’t for Mark I’d Probably Be Dead Today'' by Carl, 14, ''I Need My Lovers'' by Tyrone, 16, and ''It Was Me Who Started It'' by Frank, 15. <br />
*'''The perspective of a loving boy in [http://newgon.com/CPP/Benjamin-BoysAndBoylovers.htm On Boys and Boylovers] by Jarod Benjamin, 1997.'''<br />
*:Jarod Benjamin’s 1997 study of male-male pedophilia includes a section that reports on pedophile relationships from the point of view of boys in them. Reference is also made to 620 quotes of boys in Edward Brongersma’s [http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1557410038 Loving Boys].<br />
*'''[http://www.thinkandask.com/2006/042106-john.html Baseball, Boys, One Man on Illegal Love]'''<br />
*:A boy happily participates in a sexual and emotional relationship with an older man beginning at age 12. "Jesse is less than half John's age and turned 15-years-old in April, but the boy is not his son. Jesse "is my lover," John said, "but the feelings are mutual, this is a consensual relationship." John met Jesse (not his real name) when the boy was homeless three years ago. [...] In Jesse's own words, "John knows me, he's here inside my head already, I mean all along. He is my dad, boyfriend, best friend, brother, all in one. He's great," he grins as he chats with a friend on the office computer. [...] "I brought it up and told him how I felt and offered to take care of him. That is when he said he was in love with me and never wanted to leave," John said."<br />
*'''[http://www.petertatchell.net/age%20of%20consent/14%20gay%20boyfriend.htm Lee]'''<br />
*:Gay sex at 8 / various illegal / all consenting "Lee is 14. He's been having sex with boys since the age of eight, and with men since he was 12. Lee has a serious problem. He wants a steady relationship and has been going out recently with a guy in his mid-twenties, who he met at the hairdressers. But in the eyes of the law, Lee's partner is a paedophile and Lee is a victim of child abuse. That's not, however, the way Lee sees it: "I want to have a boyfriend. It's my choice. No one's abusing me. Why should we be treated like criminals?". This is a live issue for Lee because he prefers relationships with older guys. "I don't get on with people my own age", says Lee. "They're too immature. I like men in their 20s or early 30s. They are more experienced and serious. With them, you can get into a closer relationship than with a teenager"."<br />
*'''[http://danpedo.sexualpolitik.se/english/davidgb.php#1 David]'''<br />
*:Gay sex at 13 with a man in his mid-30s. "[O]ne day he started telling me about all the boys he'd had, and.., we finally ended up in the next room. We had a good time. I actually thought it was a little funny; at one point I even started to laugh. I don't know why -- I just had this weird need to laugh. [...] It was all so new. It was exciting. [...] (Interviewer: It [your relationship] all sounds very rosy...) Yes, it's really, really great."<br />
*'''[http://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/vigilance-vital-to-keeping-vile-paedophiles-at-bay-57221.html Unnamed 13/14-year-old boy]'''<br />
*:Claims that he consented, but others saw it very differently! [username: as@df.com, p/w: asdf] "The young lad in question, who was 13 when his contact with these paedophiles began, claims that the sexual relationships he had with them were all consensual. In other words, he is stating that he was not raped, and that, to his mind at least, there was no abuse."<br />
*'''[http://www.logicalreality.com/openbb/read.php?TID=1785&page=4 Pat Kelly]'''<br />
*:Aged 5, he helped a boy, 17, masturbate; was grateful for his invitation (Forum down. Pat was the webmaster behind the rational humanist website LogicalReality.com and the associated forums. He claims to have enjoyed hiding in a garage and masturbating the other boy, much like a schoolboy would enjoy being allowed into the staffroom - the world of adults, with which he was so fascinated).<br />
*'''[http://www.martijn.org/info/OK41_EN_1.html Andre and Dennis]'''<br />
*:Educationalist on his relationship with a primary schoolboy. ". Actually, it really lasted quite a while before the sexual side of our relationship started to take shape; I did not dare begin with this so soon. André does feel a bit guilty towards Dennis' mother that he never brought up the sexuality. He asks himself if she may not have figured out after all, because every now and then she has made remarks that could point to that. She does know that Dennis and André have a very physical contact with each other and kiss each other. Basicly, he would like to talk about it, but, understandably, this is not easy. On being asked, Dennis had a clear opinion: 'She does not need to know!'"<br />
*'''"[http://www.martijn.org/page.php?id=1171983 11-year-old faggot]"'''<br />
*:Talks to NAMbLA. Boys speak out. Order: Nambla, P. O. Box 174, Midtown Sta. New York, NY10018 "My first statement is that I want to dispel the image that a child is an ''innocent little puppy dog''. Children have plenty of knowledge about life, the universe and everything. But adults tend not to listen to their children. This ''innocent puppy'' syndrome represses the child's social, sexual, political, economical, and emotional desires. Children are not taken seriously and are expected to conform to a society in which they can't question its validity. This has got to stop! [...] A child is a sexual being. Therefore, children should have the right to explore any aspect of sexuality they desire to engage in. Why do parents, politicians, and police (the 3 p's) feed guilt into children that are sexually active? [...] Many people have been destroyed because of intergenerational relationships, people who could offer the world a lot if they had just not been persecuted for being different. Burning witches is a pastime which is just regaining popularity in the States."<br />
*'''[http://www.p-loog.info/English/interview_3_b/johnny.htm Johnny]'''<br />
*:Maternally approved Gay sex at 12 "(Interviewer: What are the negative aspects of your contact with Ferdinand?) Tss ... There aren't any. [...except] to explain that to my family, or to keep his orientation hidden from them."<br />
*'''[http://www.p-loog.info/English/interview_3_b/peter.htm Peter]'''<br />
*:Happy with pedophile contacts from an early age (around ten) "(Interviewer: What are the negative aspects of your contact with Ferdinand?) I don't have any."<br />
*'''[http://www.p-loog.info/English/interview_3_b/stephan.htm Stephan]'''<br />
*:Descriptive account of yet another acceptable relationship, beginning at age 11. "Ferdinand really picked me up in a terrific way. I have learned lots from him, I've had many experiences and I've done lots of things with Ferdinand. I have learned something about human nature from Ferdinand. And other important things in society, responsibility, how to go about with money. I still don't do that very well, you know, it just didn't stick with me. But, you know, that sort of thing. The important things in life. Before Ferdinand I didn't know about any of these things and through him I have discovered them. Also, I always say, "I didn't have a childhood until I met Ferdinand. Then I received my childhood." And that is really how it was because before that I had so many problems. [...] (Interviewer: What are the negative aspects of your contact with Ferdinand?) Not one! That is very easy to say. Not one."<br />
*'''[http://web.archive.org/web/20040823204921/http://www.logicalreality.com/openbb/read.php?TID=164 Pluto]'''<br />
*:Emotional need for sex with a boy, at 56, after enjoying the reverse long ago. Pluto's early childhood experience involved showering with a grown man, and enjoying sexual contact. At the time of the act, it would have most certainly been disapproved of, but there was no moral panic in place to rob him of his self-worth. "Yes, I did have sex with an adult when I was very young--10, 11, 12 years old--and I treasure and cherish the memories... [...] I was not hurt in any way by it. i only wish there had been more times when he fooled around with me."<br />
*'''[http://www.ipce.info/host/sandfort_87/Appendix.htm Thijs and Joop]''' (in [[Theo Sandfort]]'s ''Boys on their contacts with men'')<br />
*:Befriended by a boylover at nine, and enjoying sex "(Interviewer: What do you find the unpleasant aspects of sex with Joop?) There aren't any. I don't know of any, at least. [...] (Interviewer: Can you say who starts it, when you have sex?) Either of us. Sometimes me, yeah, mostly me. But he, too, real often. [...] (Interviewer: What do you think your mother would feel about your having sex with Joop?) I guess she'd think it was dirty. She'd think a man doing that with a child wasn't normal, that you just shouldn't do it. That's what she'd say. (Interviewer: And how do you feel about her thinking that way?) Rotten stupid! Although I wouldn't tell her it was rotten stupid. I mean, what business is it of hers? It's my business what I do. [...] (Interviewer: How do you feel about your having sex with Joop?) It's just really nice. (Interviewer: It's no problem for you?) It's just like a man going to bed with a woman--I think it's exactly the same: nice. And the feelings and so on they have, I have too."<br />
*'''[http://www.freewebtown.com/newsstand/archive/0316.html Unnamed Indian Boy]'''<br />
*:Newspaper article about M8 + M19 sex and the victim syndrome "Once I was about 15, I grew familiar with terms like paedophilia and child abuse and started to realise what I had been through. This too had a downside. I found myself in 'the victim syndrome'. I started using this incident as an excuse to endear myself to people and constantly looked at myself as victimised in relationships and emotional circumstances. This persists even today but I try to rid myself of this misery."<br />
*'''[http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showpost.php?p=3730495&postcount=250 Sateryn]'''<br />
*:Got a 'kick' out of illegal sex play with adults, at five, but disliked the following investigation "you know the most traumatic part about being molested as a child? sitting in a room with your parents and a therapist staring at you, forcing you to take naked cloth dolls and use them to put on a puppet show to show the adults what happened to you. the physical act of it? the molestation itself? hell, it was interesting... i was 5, it was something new, and i lucked out in that it wasn't violent, just people getting their rocks off - and quite frankly i got a kick out of it, at the time."<br />
*'''[http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?p=3924233#post3924233 IIDB]'''<br />
*:Another member comments about their indifference, and expands later on. "I remember one incident when I was 9 or so and my uncles were 20 and 21. They brought me and a cousin who's about my age to their room and we engaged in oral sex. It was a one-time thing, but I didn't repress the memory, felt ashamed by it, or otherwise damaged by it. We didn't talk about it though, and it doesn't come to mind often. Is that counted as abuse? I had no strong feelings about it then or now. [...] I don't claim that it didn't affect me then, but it affected me in the way sexual activities affect us at that age - that of guilt of doing something I was taught is wrong or shameful. It's the same feeling I got then after masturbation and sexual experimentation with my friends, male and female."<br />
*'''[https://www.boychat.org/messages/967788.htm Hangtwenty]'''<br />
*:1950s boylove with an oversexed 12-year-old. "....The most intense affair happened between 1956 and 1958.... The boy, who was 12 when it started, not only told me that I was his 'best friend', but that I was his 'only friend'...! ....Since we both lived with our parents then, and both lived in the same apartment house, we were together alot... His intensity to be sexual with me was much stronger than mine was for him..!"<br />
*'''[http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,,1589948,00.html Prominent British men on fagging in their public schools]'''<br />
*:Article by the Guardian<br />
*'''[http://www.inquisition21.com/article~view~69~page_num~2.html Gerald]'''<br />
*:Convicted for loving sex with teenage boys, after they made unfortunate spousal choices.<br />
*'''[http://www.martijn.org/info/2000_002_EN.html Dirk Tieleman]'''<br />
*:A journalist claims that a slightly coercive relationship worked to his own benefit. "When I was thirteen, a boy of seventeen sexually used me for a period of time with slight coercion, but I never really felt bad about that. He jacked me off and forced me to jack him off, and at first I felt uncomfortable about that, but after a few times I began to enjoy it myself and the aspect of coercion trailed off. Off course, being a thirteen-year-old boy, I found it curious that I was doing such things with another boy, but I realize now that this first sexual experience has helped me approach girls - to whom I was far more attracted - confidently and without qualms later on. That first sexual experience with a boy was, to me, the perfect introduction to sexuality. [...] In the past years, since the Dutoux scandal, I've been hearing people say all the time that any form of sex with children would automatically lead to great disturbances and 'damage the innocent child's soul beyond repair', but I feel confident in stating with absolute certainty that I haven't suffered the least bit of damage from my first sexual experiences with that older boy - not as a child, and not now. On the contrary: I have always had a very normal and healthy sex life, perhaps even because of that first experience."<br />
*'''[http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/s_553687.html Kevin B. Johnson's Boyfriend]'''<br />
*:"The second boy [15/16?] described a sexual relationship with Johnson that began when the youth was a freshman in 2004 and continued until last month. He told police, "I am not a victim. I was a willing participant," according to the affidavit."<br />
*'''[http://www.ipce.info/booksreborn/martinson/infant/InfantAndChildSexuality.html Floyd Martinson in his book "Infant and Child Sexuality"]'''<br />
*:Martinson quotes another's experience: "My first homosexual experience came at the age of five or six, when I would play with this boy who was at that time about sixteen. He would ask me if I wanted to go into his house for something to eat, like some cookies or something. Of course I would go. Next he would ask me if I would go into the bedroom with him. Upon entering the bedroom, he would undress and ask me to do the same. I would, probably out of fright. I distinctly remember his body being very hairy, so perhaps I underestimated his age. Anyway, after undressing, he would tell me to bend over and then he would insert his erect penis into my anal region and start thrusting back and forth. He would then stimulate my penis and want me to do the same to him. We also masturbated each other, with him reaching orgasm and myself only being stimulated. I also spent some time in oral-genital contact. I did find the whole experience quite pleasing and continued to engage in these activities for a week or two. Then, and I don't recall why, we suddenly stopped doing it completely." <br />
*'''[http://home.wanadoo.nl/ipce/library_two/rind/rind_gay_boys_app.htm Bruce Rind, quoting accounts from Savin-Williams (1997).]'''<br />
*:[B: 13, M: 22] "Subject and adult brother often massaged each other. "This time, however, I got a little hard and then he noted I had grown so much since he last saw me naked. He asked me jokingly if he could suck my dick. I said 'yes' so we got off on each other. He did me and then I did him. He came all over me but I did not. This lasted a month until he headed back to work. I do miss him as a friend and a brother. Was nothing romantic." Subject added, "I liked it, ... felt good. I wanted to do it again and again. I already knew my brother was gay and that I was attracted to men so this did not prove or disprove that I was gay."<br />
*:[B: 15, M: 27] "[It was with] the mailman, honest to God! On and off for two years. The first time was when I came to the door to get a special delivery package in my sheer designer underwear, from American Male. I was changing to go back to school. He sprouted a boner, I got hard, he grabbed mine, I grabbed his, and we were off and running. Every day I'd come home for lunch; my mother worked. I had to be quick so he'd not get docked for late deliveries. He had a real thing for redheads like me. He was very forward, connected with me, and told me how hot I was. Talked about our backgrounds. It ended when he suddenly got transferred and contact became difficult. We visited each other and had sex, but it was hard and we agreed mutually because of the distance that it was better that we be friends and not lovers" (p. 172).<br />
*:[B: 12, M: 22] It lasted 9 months with his science teacher. "It developed over time and was great. We became friends and I invited him over once when my parents weren't home. I practically had to force sex on him because he was afraid about losing his job. Ended when I went away for the summer and he wasn't a teacher at my school no more" (p. 163). " <br />
*:[B: 12, M: 35] The man was a family friend; the sex was mutually initiated, oral, off and on for 10 years (a couple of times per month), and "physically great." It confused the subject that the man was married, yet was willing to have sex with him. "Eventually I fell in love with him; knew I was gay but did not broadcast this; I was curious because of the age difference. Mutual oral sex happened after he fondled me; it was the first orgasm I ever had." <br />
*:[B: 13, M: 38] "Family friend. I initiated on a camping trip; we were in same tent at state park; oral sex to orgasm for both of us; several times during the night; incredibly erotic, tremendous release, very pleasurable. Not real close; didn't enjoy kissing. Afterwards scary because I enjoyed it so much. Not wanting to be near him on the trip because afraid others would notice. Once per month for the next 4 years that I initiated; never talked about it; sex was all it was. Wished I was straight so the attractions would go away, because the sexual gratification was so strong." <br />
*:[B: 14, M: 26] "It was with a stranger; he initiated it; it involved oral and mutual masturbation, we did it 10 more times. I was excited, was loved and in love, got affection, but was not prepared for sex. It was not so l much that I wanted his affection; I was attracted to him. This relationship lasted a week then three months later we met again and we were sexual."<br />
<br />
*'''[[Bruce Rind]] - "The Problem with Consensus Morality", Archives of Sexual Behavior, Vol. 31, No. 6, December 2002'''<br />
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::"These are based on a sampling of interviews I recently conducted on individuals who learned about me from publicity surrounding my publications and contacted me to tell their stories. These cases, involving five men who had sex as boys around age 10 with men, dispute Schmidt’s claim that there can never be sexual consensus between prepubescents and adults. The cases are cross-national, coming from Australia, Canada, England, France, and the United States. The first three men are homosexual and the last two are heterosexual. All names have been altered to preserve confidentiality.<br />
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:*Case 1. Nathan, a 45-year-old Brit, began being intensely curious about adult male genitalia when he was 8. At this age, in attempt to satisfy this curiosity, he surreptitiously went into the room of his household’s sleeping man servant and fondled him under his bed covers. By age 10, his curiosity had turned into sexual arousal. He unsuccessfully tried to solicit sex from men in locker rooms. At age 11, he met a neighbor man, whom he worked on over many visits in attempt to initiate sex. Eventually, he succeeded. In his many repeats with the man over the next 2 years, Nathan reported that hewas the "conductor" - he controlled the sexual interactions. While still a boy, he had several other sexual relations with men, all of which he viewed as very positive. He thinks the sex helped his sexual self-confidence: as he matured, he knew exactly what he wanted in sex, while his peers were still searching.<br />
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:*Case 2. James, a 23-year-old Canadian, first felt sexually aroused by other males at age 6 and had his first sex at 8 with a peer. At 11, he befriended a neighbor man, towhom he gave many signals, hoping for sex to occur. Eventually, it did, which made him feel proud and closer to the man. Over the next 3 years, he visited the man regularly, often secretly to avoid the possibility of his parents ending the relationship. He saw the relationship as very positive and said it built his personality (e.g., greater self-confidence) and influenced many of his tastes (e.g., an appreciation for literature).<br />
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:*Case 3. Daniel, a 33-year-old Frenchman, was physically affectionate with his father starting at age 6. By 8, he became sexually attracted to him. At 10, he initiated sexual fondling with him, which the father accepted. In the sexual relationship, which lasted 4 years, Daniel always initiated the sex. In retrospect, he cherished the intimacy and described the relationship as "beautiful, pure, security, confidence, and love." He said it built his sexual self-confidence.<br />
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:*Case 4. At age 8, Dennis, a 21-year-old American, initiated sexual contact with a man friendly with his family, whom he suspected of being involved with his older brother. Sex occurred between them for the next 2 years. He said he usually initiated the encounters because he was always ready for sex. He described the relationship as the most positive he has ever had. He saw himself as having the upper hand, because he felt he had control over the man, who went to great lengths to fulfill his wishes. He felt that his adolescent and adult sexual relations went more smoothly because of the competence he got from these early experiences. Asked how a heterosexual male could have enjoyed homosexual relations, he answered that he was attracted to sex back then, not females or males per se.<br />
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:*Case 5. John, a 22-year-old Australian, first realized his sexual arousal to girls at age 8. By 9, he felt lonely and was bullied by older boys, when he met a male neighbor in his late teens. They quickly became friends, and John spent a lot of time at his house. The young man eventually initiated masturbatory sex with him. John was at first apprehensive that otherswould find out, but became comfortable with the sex once he felt safe from this concern. The relationship lasted 3 years. He was proud to be seen with the older male, saw him as his protector, and saw the intimacy they had as the highlight of his life. Asked if the relationship was consenting, he said yes, because he wanted it, the young man wanted it, he loved the young man, so consent meant, "Yes, do it.""<br />
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*'''[http://www.ipce.info/ipceweb/Library/01oct01c_my_father.htm My Father and I]'''<br />
*:Positive man-boy incest is interrupted by a mother. "My father molested me from the time I was two till I was 15. We would lie naked and he would play with my penis. Then he would give me oral sex. When I was old enough I then started sucking him too. He never hurt me or tried to have anal sex with me, even though I wanted him to. I had anal sex with him, a few times, once my father decided my penis was big enough. My father and I would plan things around the times where we could meet and make each other feel good. My mother found out and two months ago my father was sent to prison. What my father did to me was not rape, at all. He never hurt me. In fact, I looked forward to spending the time with him but my mother and the police don't seem to listen."<br />
*'''[http://www.ipce.info/ipceweb/Library/00dec18c_a_professor_speaks.htm William Percy]'''<br />
*:Article "UMASS professor advocates pederasty" William Armstrong Percy III says that when he was 14, he seduced a male soldier while traveling on a train. "I never got enough sex with an older man. I don't see that I was harmed at all, except being deprived of not having more," said Percy. "I was already the aggressor."<br />
*'''[http://www.ipce.info/library_3/files/tindall.htm The male adolescent involved with a pederast becomes an adult]'''<br />
*:Several accounts. "During his 11th year he began spending his spare time around a service station, where he became acquainted with a master mechanic who was then in his early 40s, married, and childless. [...] On a fishing trip, during a break on an island, they began talking about sex, which led to Denver's being fellated by the mechanic and to masturbation of the mechanic by Denver. For the next 5 years mutual fellatio occurred two or three times per week. Sexual activity with the mechanic ceased at about age 19, but a close relationship continued to exist until the mechanic's death. Denver is now 44 years of age. [...] Denver remarried and has been a valued mechanic with the same company for 20 years. He has a supervisory position and believes that his relationship with his mechanic friend helped him reach his goals. He says he would have approved a similar relationship for either of his sons, had he become aware of such a situation. He reports no desire to have sex with males since approximately age 20."<br />
*'''[http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/10/19/national/main2104978.shtml Mark Foley]'''<br />
*:Former American Republican, @13y/o. "The Rev. Anthony Mercieca, 72, described several encounters that he said Foley might perceive as sexually inappropriate, the Sarasota Herald-Tribune reported. They include massaging Foley while the boy was naked, skinny-dipping together at a secluded lake in Lake Worth and being nude in the same room on overnight trips. "Once maybe I touched him or so ... but I didn't, it's not something you call rape or penetration or anything like that," Mercieca told West Palm Beach station WPTV in a phone interview. "He seemed to like it, you know? So it was sort of more like a spontaneous thing". Mercieca said."<br />
*'''[http://richarddawkins.net/article,118,Religionrsquos-Real-Child-Abuse,Richard-Dawkins Richard Dawkins]'''<br />
*:From an article of his, that despite not being exactly sex - positive, goes as far as is 'acceptable' in playing down the impact of nonviolent, situational fondling of children by priests, whilst attacking the religious dogmas that sometimes cause so much shame after such encounters. "Being fondled by the Latin master in the Squash Court was a disagreeable sensation for a nine-year-old, a mixture of embarrassment and skin-crawling revulsion, but it was certainly not in the same league as being led to believe that I, or someone I knew, might go to everlasting fire. As soon as I could wriggle off his knee, I ran to tell my friends and we had a good laugh, our fellowship enhanced by the shared experience of the same sad pedophile. I do not believe that I, or they, suffered lasting, or even temporary damage from this disagreeable physical abuse of power. Given the Latin Master’s eventual suicide, maybe the damage was all on his side."<br />
*'''[http://www.ipce.info/ipceweb/Statements/factoids.htm Heinz Kohut]'''<br />
*:Strozier, quoting the Psychologist on his relationship as a child: "I had this private tutor, who was a very important person in my life. He would take me to museums and swimming and concerts and we had endless intellectual conversations and played complicated intellectual games and played chess together" They also did sexual things together, which they both enjoyed, but Kohut felt the sex was more or less incidental. The important thing for him was the relationship. He said "I was an only child. So it was in some way psychologically life-saving for me. I was very fond of this fellow." Heinz was about 10 or 11 at the time. He describes his years with his tutor as being perhaps the happiest ones in his life."<br />
*'''[http://news.scotsman.com/farrightineurope/Fortuyn-favoured-depraved.2326187.jp Pim Fortuyn]'''<br />
*:Populist, anti - immigration, homosexual Politician from the Netherlands (deceased): "Fortuyn's first experience occurred when he was five years old. "The Dutch soldier asks if I want to see his tent. That's what I want. I like it and they all are sleeping on the ground in a sleeping-bag. I ask if it is hard and cold to sleep on the ground. Oh no, come here. Together we crawl in his sleeping-bag. The soldier asks my name and I ask his name. “He is called Arie and he asks if I like that name. Yes, I think that's a nice name and I lie beside him, nice and warm." Fortuyn then described a close sexual encounter with the soldier before leaving his sleeping-bag "to go and play outside." He added: "Can I come back tomorrow? Yes, tomorrow I may come back, says Arie." A few pages later, he describes another incident: "I went to the park for a walk, it was very silent and the sun was shining. On the bench sat a young fellow. I stood still, curious." Fortuyn relates another sexual encounter - this time in explicit detail. He concludes: "I was frightened and ran away to my home, to my mother. Excited, I ran into the room. My mother looked at me searchingly and asked what had happened. Nothing, of course. Watch out, little man, was the only thing she said. A glass of lemonade made me calm down. Yes, that was exciting." Most telling is his appraisal of these memories. "In chapter 1 about the 1950s, I wrote about my early sexual experiences, experiences that I see as an enrichment. Today, an experience like that in the park could easily lead to a complaint by parents to the police because of paedophilia, and the relevant young man would be in trouble. But why? "He didn't do me any harm. On the contrary, he showed me something that was incomprehensibly exciting and I could feel and touch it, but today we are ready to interfere with complete teams of professionals. By interfering in such an irritating and grown-up way in the world of children, we make an enormous problem of something that for a child is no problem at all and is only exciting.""<br />
*'''[http://www.mwillett.org/Debate/viewtopic.php?p=121929#121929 Todd Nickerson]'''<br />
*:A self-declared pedophile writes: "I did have a single sexual encounter with an adult when I was a child, though I would hardly describe it as traumatic or even unpleasant. My memory of being touched—and that’s all it amounted to—is that it was, at most, a little confusing since I didn’t really understand what was taking place. Not that I really minded, though. In fact, after it occurred, I went immediately to a relative and bragged to her about it."<br />
*'''[http://www.boylover.net/ Boylover.net member on experiences as an 11-year-old boy]'''<br />
*:"We piled back into the limo and it drove us to Toronto where we went to a stage play. I don’t remember what we saw because my head was still spinning about the fact that this attractive man, one who could have any female he wanted, was in love with me and was doing all this to make this night as special as he could. After the play, we headed for home. Limo drivers must have orders to ignore whatever they see going on in the back because ours got quite an eyeful. He was treated to the sight of an eleven-year-old boy and a nineteen-year-old man acting like boyfriends. We kissed, we petted, and we worked each other into an erotic frenzy, a frenzy for which there could only be one consummation."<br />
*'''[http://www.boylover.net/ Boylover.net member on intercourse]'''<br />
*:"I was 10 and it was with an Adult Friend. I did not, nor do I now think I was abused. (well not by my AF anyway) I liked it. We only ever did the things I wanted to do."<br />
*'''[http://www.helping-people.info/Treatment/sot/offender.htm#3-6a_narrative_force Frans Gieles in an article of his]'''<br />
*:"Craisatie (1998, among others page 117) describes a client who, as a child, had frequented a group, which in the book was called 'a child pornography ring'. As a child, he never had seen this as being abuse. Contrarily, he said that he'd gotten a lot of love, comradeship and care, which he did not get at home. Craisatie describes it as an example of successful treatment that his client ultimately abandoned his feeling of being loved and changed it into the feeling of being abused although this occurred only gradually and very late in the treatment process [...] Ehrenreich (2004) describes a man who for nineteen years was held in a closed clinic. He denied his offense, thus refused to speak about it, thus he did not cooperate, thus year after year his stay was renewed. Then, he changed tack: he 'acknowledged' his offense, he spoke about it, he did exactly what the therapists ordered, and said that he benefited from their treatment. This was the only way to be released. The man has been released. Then it turned out that his accusers had lied about everything they had said, under high pressure of the police: there never had been an offense."<br />
*'''Boy in Dan Tsang (1981)''', "The age taboo". London: Gay Men's Press. <br />
*:"It's often not the man who goes out to seduce the boy, but the other way round. In my first experience, I did the seducing. . . . It is mostly the boys who go out in search of sexual satisfaction from men..."<br />
*'''[http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=bta8oOuDtoI (Man?) on YouTube]'''<br />
*:An extremely detailed account that was hindered by a voice concealer. Person had a positive relationship as youngster, and has met pedophiles.<br />
*'''[http://www.sunstar.com.ph/static/net/2007/10/19/orphans.admit.clown.fondled.them.html Carlock the Clown]'''<br />
*:Some young children pleaded with authorities not to press charges against a clown who played with them sexually. "Surprisingly though, when asked by American embassy officials if they wanted their "Kuya Paul" charged in court for abusing them, all the three kids pleaded with the officials not to file a case against Carlock. "Please don't file a case against Kuya Paul. He is a good man, he is a good man," the kids said. "The kids told me that they loved the man so much because he was so good to them. They said they treated the man as their father. Paul gave them candies, lollipops," Karasuyama said." The clown was eventually [http://illinoishomepage.net/content/fulltext/?cid=9747 tasered and killed by police].<br />
*'''[http://terrygeorge.co.uk/home/?topic=440 Terry George on "phone sex" with Michael Jackson]'''<br />
*:According to George, Michael Jackson engaged him in "phone sex" at the age of 13: "I do not feel like a victim and I never did feel like a victim," he said. See [http://terrygeorge.co.uk/home/?folder=13 directory] for other articles.<br />
*'''[http://www.freetimes.com/stories/13/43/confessions-of-a-proud-pedophile-phillip-distasio-says-getting-caught-was-all-part-of-his-plan Phillip Distasio]'''<br />
*:Imprisoned for life; a proud pedophile activist who had a relationship with an older man at 12. "Distasio describes himself as a second-generation pedophile: at the age of 12, he began a relationship with an older man, a swimming instructor named Charlie, at a boys' club in Massachusetts. He says he's known about his proclivity since age 9. "To me," he says, “it is as valid as any other sexual orientation.""<br />
*'''[http://www.broadbandreports.com/shownews/Cleaning-Up-Tor-82218 "Jay78" commenting on broadbandreports.com]'''<br />
*:"Also, when I was about 6 years of age I was sexually "used" without coercion by an adult family member in ways that today would have put that person in prison. I almost forgot about that seemingly anecdotal incident and memory until I was reminded of it by the current hysteria over that kind of thing. Compared with the other things I experienced, that was not even worth thinking of, I would never hurt that person who did that and have a good relationship with that person today."<br />
*'''[http://www.ipce.info/library_3/files/rivas_howard_miller.htm "Howard Miller" as told to Titus Rivas, Ipce]'''<br />
*:"We would zip our sleeping bags together and he would tickle and massage me all over. He would tell me dirty jokes while helping me with my homework and get me aroused. Then we would masturbate together. He satisfied me and then himself or we satisfied ourselves while watching each other. I thought that he was fascinating to look at and occasionally touch but not to satisfy. [...] I have only good feelings about what happened but am sad that most people will never be able to understand that. I also wish that we didn't have to worry about each other getting into trouble with the society over what happened. [...] Because I had such a positive experience as a child I believe that I can say with absolute certainty that sometimes such relationships can be very positive. Notice I don't say that they always will be, but heck more than 50% of marriages end in divorce. Most real child abuse occurs in families. Should then marriage be outlawed?"<br />
*'''[http://www.boylover.net/info/scrapbook/kolya_03.html Loren Robb and Kolya - Bulletin]'''<br />
*:A man tells of his loving relationship with a young native Arctic boy who he brought up in New Zealand.<br />
*'''[http://youfoundme.org/mylife.html My Life - Youfoundme.org]'''<br />
*:A very long testimony written by a person known to a contact of Newgon.com. "It was the end of that summer that I learned what real heartache felt like. Sex was never the dominating factor in my relationship with James. I wanted to fool around a lot more than he did but I just liked being with him. He knew so much about construction and getting things to work that it was like being at school all the time except it was fun. Like any kid who hears his dad tell the same joke all the time I got tired of hearing "plumbings easy boy, just remember shit flows down hill". What I really didn't want to hear was the day James told me we couldn't do the sex thing anymore. I don't recall his exact words but something to the effect "this just isn't right or this isn't normal". I was crushed. It (our friendship) seemed so normal and great to me that I didn't understand why he felt that way. My suffering didn't come from the hands of an abuser, my suffer came from the words of a man who feared for my wellbeing. I kept telling him I was okay with things and nothing needed to change. Change did come and even my begging wouldn't get him to monkey around with me. It happened once or twice after the big talk but it was never the same."<br />
*'''[http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2372/is_4_41/ai_n9488757/pg_1 Jessica L. Stanley (Researcher)]'''<br />
*:"One man, at 14 years old, researched the location of gay bars and met a man with whom he had a few sexual encounters and with whom he has maintained a friendship for nearly 20 years."<br />
*'''[http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2372/is_3_39/ai_94130312 Curtis Dolezal (Researcher)]'''<br />
*:"participant was 10 when he had sexual contact on 20 occasions over 3 months with a 25-year-old male neighbor. The events involved mutual masturbation and oral sex. The participant did not feel coerced or hurt and did not feel it was sexual abuse "because I seduced the neighbor."<br />
*'''[[Paedophilia: The radical case|O'Carroll 1980, p.83-84]]'''<br />
*:"As a boy he became sexually mature at age twelve-and-a-half. "It was like the world was beginning to make sense, to take on purpose and meaning. [...] I regard my meeting with Mr. S., then aged twenty-six, as a critical turning point in my love life. Until then, sex was fun, felt good and left me only moderately guilty. Once I approached Mr.S. (Yes, I approached him) with my thirteen-year-old impatience for intimacy, he told no one, responded positively to my shaky advances (didn't even laught at me!) and simply embraced me. [...] Here was a masculine adult man (happily married even), who was interested in doing with me what I was already finding exciting with my boy-friends. And through this relationship a new dimension was added to my experience which has not occurred to me before - tenderness, affection and love. (...) This affection was, in its way, just as satisfying as the ecstatic orgasms that punctuated our days and nights together. I regard this man, this relationship as a turning point because I was never the same after knowing him for two years - I was more in tune with myself after that...".<br />
*'''[[Sex met kinderen]], pages 75-76. (Untranslated - [[Frits Bernard]])'''<br />
*:A 25 year old man tells of a relationship struck up with a gay man when he was eight. They started having sex when he was ten, something that he enjoyed. The relationship lasts until he is 18.<br />
*'''"En me vriendje houdt van mij: 23 verhalen uit het leven gegrepen", edited by Ben Füss and Gorrit Goslinga (Eindhoven: Stichting Uitgeverij NVSH, 1981)'''<br />
*:"We had just moved and that was how I met a nice man, as a 13-year-old. We talked a lot, in his room. He was very interested in art and possessed a lot of books with pictures of works of art and sculptry. I had little interest for this but did not want to hurt Dick's feelings. Only the pictures that showed nudity captured my interest. I also tried to hide this. [...]" This interest was noticed by Dick and it led to Dick briefly caressing the boy's genitals. Dick was very cautious and tried to end it immediately. The boy was very eager to have additional sexual experiences and finally persuaded Dick to allow him a visit. One thing led to another and the end result was a tender sexual relationship that lasted for about six years. After the war he re-established a life-long friendship with Dick, though without the sexual aspect. He was there when Dick died at age 83. He adds: "The value of this relationship is something I continue to cherish till this very day."<br />
*'''[http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/15/science/15gajdusek.html "D. Carleton Gajdusek, Who Won Nobel for Work on Brain Disease, Is Dead at 85"]'''<br />
*:"D. Carleton Gajdusek, a virologist who won the 1976 Nobel Prize in medicine for his work on the mysterious epidemics now known as prion diseases, died last week in Tromso, Norway. [...] In later life, Dr. Gajdusek became notorious when he was charged with molesting the many young boys he had adopted in New Guinea and Micronesia and brought to live with him in Maryland. He pleaded guilty to one charge, served a year in prison and left the United States in 1998, dividing his time between Paris, Amsterdam and Tromso. [...] He also remained unrepentant about the sexual relationships with his adopted sons, Dr. Klitzman said. He considered American law prudish and pointed out that sex with young men was normal in the cultures he studied and in the classic Greek societies at the foundation of Western civilization. His legal assistant, Dorrie Runman, who was previously married to one of his sons, John Runman, said Dr. Gajdusek’s survivors included “his adopted sons and daughters, including Yavine Borimaand Jesse Mororui-Gajdusek in the United States, and two nephews, Karl Lawrence Gajdusek and Mark Terry.” His children were legally adopted, Ms. Runman said. He put several through college and graduate or medical school. Some of them, now in their 50s, supported him during his legal troubles, while one sibling testified against him."<br />
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*'''[http://www.jungsforum.net/politik/messages/159581.htm Anon, in Berliner Zeitung (Translation)]'''<br />
*:"Being 52 now, I got a relationship with a man at the age of 8-9 of whom I was told later that he was a paedophile. The relationship went on until I was about 14 years old and we were lucky that it remained undiscovered and free of police enquiries. Even today, so many years later, I remember my big friend with gratitude, as he made my coming out as a gay person later on – and many other things in my life - a lot easier for me. Since then, I have met numerous people who also had [consensual] sexual relationships with adults as children and teenagers and who are not ashamed of this. It is easy to understand why such people never get in touch with abuse counseling agencies, because they really don't need such help. That's how such centres get a completely one-sided view of so-called victims of abuse.".<br />
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*'''''Paedophilia - What It Means To The Child'' by [[Frits Bernard]], printed in [http://exitinterview.biz/rarities/panfull.htm PAN 3] (pp. 15 - 17)'''<br />
**"I was about 13 when I had my first paedophile experience. [...] The man who brought me into touch with homosexuality and whom I even loved physically was, and still is, one of my dearest friends. I remember what a wonderful feeling it was when he satisfied me for the first time. I was not troubled in the least by worries over having done 'perverted things', probably because I had no idea of what such things were. [...] The only trouble I have had over this was when I first told my fiancee about it."<br />
**"When I was seven I had contact with a man who was especially nice to me. He used to take me to his attic, sit me on his lap and play with me sexually. I thought it was very nice and enjoyed it. I always looked forward to Wednesday afternoons, the days when we saw each other. This went on for a long time. Later I had many contacts with other men, but never with boys my own age. One day I went with a waiter to his house. I was very interested and excited. We had unusually satisfying sex together. I must have been about 14. Back home I was restless and went to see him the very next day on my own initiative. We had intercourse about twenty times in the following period. [...] Now, after a good life, I can see these early contacts as very positive to my development. I would not like to have missed them and I do not envy the people who never had these opportunities."<br />
**"When I was about eight years old I got to know a man in the street who thought I played very nicely. He invited me out for a bicycle ride, and later to visit his home. [...] From him I recieved love, which actually I had never known (not, I mean, in the way I know it at present from my wife). [...] Later, when I was ten or eleven, we had sex with each other, something I always enjoyed."<br />
**Several further accounts involving slightly older minors are available in the article.<br />
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*'''Zimmerman, Ann (1994). "[http://www.dallasobserver.com/1994-11-17/news/tell-mama-why-you-cry-part-i/5 'Tell Mama Why You Cry' (Part I)]," ''Dallas Observer'', November 17.'''<br />
*:"The tape of Tim's interview could not be located, but according to Black's notes, Tim had seen his father touch his sister on her private parts on several occasions. "He stated his father tickles Lima on her private parts and she likes it. When questioned further, Tim revealed his father also touches him on his private parts...at his house...Tim stated he doesn't mind his father doing this."<br />
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*'''Leahy, Terry. (1992). "Positively Experienced Man/Boy Sex: The Discourse of Seduction and the Social Construction of Masculinity," ''Journal of Sociology'', 28(1), 71-88.'''<br />
*:A study of eight people who perceived their childhood (under 16) contacts with adults positively.<br />
*:"Derek describes his first sexual encounter with a man in the following way. He is at the park at six o’clock on the swing. A man rushes towards him and begins to strip off:<br />
*::I just sat there looking. I didn’t know what to do but sort of thrilling. I looked, gawked, sort of ... I didn’t mind, I just kept on swinging on the swing. And I wasn’t scared or anything and he just come up to me and said ’Oh, how are ya?’ and I said ’Oh, not too bad’. In other words, coming on to me. And he turned around and said, ’Oh, what’s your name?’ And I’d tell him my name ’cause I wasn’t scared or anything because it was in a park and it was about six o’clock, really early, six, you know what I mean. And he just said, ’Would you like a drink?’ and I said ’No’. Then I started getting a bit nervy, nervous sort of thing. I knew, I must ... I knew in a way that he’d do something. So I just sat there, you know, and he said, ’Oh, would you like to come for a drive?’ Well I rushed him! So I just went for a drive with him and there we got off. First time, we got off ... I wanted to try it out. So I tried it. It was a really good feeling. Ever since then I kept on going.<br />
*:Here the narrative of this event begins with Derek sitting innocently on the swing. A man appears with obvious sexual intentions. Derek is instantly thrilled and takes voyeuristic pleasure in seeing him undress. He is not scared to go with the man and in fact ’rushes’ him. The sex is great and he has an orgasm. Even anal sex, though a bit uncomfortable at first, is enjoyed. All this has happened because he wanted to try it out and having done so he is eager to repeat the experience. This is typical of the discourse of male adolescent sexuality - spontaneous, adventurous, sexual pleasure is guaranteed, and casual contact is exciting. Derek presents himself as an active and initiating party. The events that take place are in reponse to his emerging self constituted sexual desire. All this works against any interpretation of Derek as a victim of homosexual seduction. Summarising his attitude to these sexual encounters on another occasion he concludes:<br />
*::I mean to say, sex is sex, you gotta, you know, well ... The way I feel, what would you do without it? It’s just something normal. Sex is just normal for everybody. Not just for me, for everybody and to do without ... I reckon it would be pretty hard to do without it so you’re just going to have to think.<br />
*:[...]<br />
*:Christopher’s interview provides a thorough discussion of these issues. At the time when he was interviewed he was in his mid thirties. His relationship with an adult gay man, George, began when he was about nine years old and lasted till he was eighteen. In a wry comment on the discourse of seduction he offered this remark:<br />
*::So I suppose then, you want to know now if I’m fucked up now sexually because of this terrible trauma of my childhood? Well - no. Umm. My main thrust - pun! - is heterosexual but ahh, I still occasionally sleep with males but when I say occasionally I mean very occasionally.<br />
*:[...]<br />
*:In particular, in discussing the various sexual activities in which he was engaged, Christopher stresses the physical pleasures of various acts and argues that his initial reservations about particular practices (oral sex, anal sex) were broken down as he received physical pleasure from these activities and came to feel that it was only fair to reciprocate."<br />
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*'''[http://dir.salon.com/story/mwt/feature/2002/07/22/coming_of_age/ Minor report] by David Tuller in Salon.com, July 22, 2002.'''<br />
**An aircraft maintenance worker describes his first experience at thirteen with a man of about 30 who had hired him to do yard work. After inviting him inside and showing him pictures of men wrestling, the man “started rubbing my crotch, and I was both nervous and really excited by it.” He went on to seek out other significantly older men. “I never felt used. I really wanted it, and except for the first time I always felt like the aggressor.” <br />
**Noted gay novelist Edmund White talks about picking up men at Chicago beaches and public restrooms from the age of 13 or 14. “I was very oversexed, absolutely driven wild by desire. ... The first one was a handsome architect, who actually had children older than me. I was absolutely fascinated by him, and I seduced him. I followed him to his car, walked right up to him and started talking to him. My mother was away and I said, ‘Come back to my apartment.’ And it was terrific.” <br />
** In an essay about sex between adolescents and adults, David Tuller relates his own desire as a 15-year-old "tormented homosexual wannabe." Upon seeing the movie Summer of '42, in which a young widow "pulls Hermie into her arms and, in her grief, into her bed," he says, "I cried while I watched, ... because I so yearned for the tender moments that Hermie found." <br />
**A gay healthcare professional in his 50s discusses how the relationship he pursued with a family friend in his early 20s helped him learn at the age of fifteen that men could care for each other. "It was clear that it certainly felt good to both of us. ... In some way it was a real lifesaver, because it made me feel that love and affection and closeness and sex would be possible in my life. ... when we were together, it was like a little oasis where we could be ourselves." <br />
** A businessman in Denver recounts his two-year relationship, from age fifteen, with his 29-year-old boss at the restaurant where he worked. "It was frightening and invigorating and I felt clumsy and awkward. But he was playful and fun and very gentle. I never felt coerced. As foreign as it was to me I was very open to it. Afterwards, I felt good, like I'd experienced something I'd wanted to for a long time." Speaking of how it affected his life at the time, he says, "I wasn't an awkward, out-of-place kid anymore. I felt appreciated for being gay, instead of being an outcast and made fun of. Suddenly I had this new self-confidence. I didn't have to hate myself for being gay." <br />
*'''[http://www.boychat.org/messages/932440.htm A long and varied career by Ambar] on BoyChat, July 2005.'''<br />
*:A man recounts his earliest sexual experiences, including with his best friend’s father at eight years old: “He became my second very, very, very best friend and so began a wonderful, loving relationship. I still adore that man :-)” <br />
*'''[http://newgon.com/CPP/HFP-072.htm Letter from John] in HFP Mailbag and [http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/13023005/ Sexual Abuse from a Victim] by John Tate, December 7, 2004.'''<br />
*:A 17-year-old reports on the anguish in his life stemming from sexual activity with his grandfather from age seven and attributes the worst aspects to society’s attitudes about it: “I think if this sort of thing was tolerated I would not have felt so fucking alienated, so hated, as a child, I would have not been an outcast.” <br />
*'''[http://www.boychat.org/messages/932397.htm count me IN !!! :))] by siao on BoyChat, July 2005. '''<br />
*:A man recounts his first experience of sex with an adult at seven years old: “suddenly fun was "in" … gosh, what was that twirling feeling which went all thru me ???” He also speaks of such encounters with many other men, saying, “NOT A SINGLE ONE EVER ABUSED ME ! I was free to say 'YES!!!!' and also knew how to say 'no' if there were ever anything I might not want.” <br />
*'''[http://www.bostonmagazine.com/articles/boy_crazy/ Boy Crazy] in Boston Magazine, May 2001'''<br />
**Famous poet Allen Ginsberg commented on the 1977 pedophilia scandal in Revere, Massachusetts, "I had sex when I was 8 with a man in the back of my grandfather’s candy store in Revere, and I turned out okay." <br />
**Best-selling Canadian author James Dubro was 14 in 1961 when he started having sex with a 22-year-old college student who remains his friend 40 years later. <br />
*'''[http://newgon.com/CPP/BC-146796.htm My Story: A story of a boy] by Elf on BoyChat, October 1998.'''<br />
*:A man in his mid-20s tells his story. When he was nine or ten years old, he responded willingly to the seduction of a 16- or 17-year-old neighbor boy. They had a passionate love affair for over a year until they were discovered and his father beat him savagely. The older boy’s family disappeared from town. This man wrote of that affair as the best thing that ever happened to him and attributed his deep problems at the time of writing to the brutal way it was torn away from him. <br />
*'''"[http://newgon.com/CPP/Spike/xaboutme.htm Spike]" on his website'''<br />
*:A 15-year-old boy writes about his adult lover: “When I was 10, I found myself a mentor, a wonderful old man that needed me as much as I needed him. … J has been the best thing that could ever have happened to me. Everything I am today I owe to J. He and Mom are both educated people who believe that I must prepare myself for adulthood by learning how to learn, how to think for myself, and how to believe in myself … Mom sees the results of my association with J, and she could not be more pleased.” <br />
*'''[http://newgon.com/CPP/Hoby-mod.htm Hoby] on his website'''<br />
*:A boy proclaims his interest in adult men and says, “You should be able to love whoever you want when you want and as long as you both happy it dont matter what anyone else thinks.” <br />
*'''''[http://newgon.com/CPP/Arlekin/complain-mod.htm My Complaints]'' by David Alejandro, December 1996, on his website.'''<br />
*:A 13-year-old boy makes an impassioned plea for sexual freedom: “I want to love and be loved by whom I want. For the last two years I have an older friend. I am not gay, I like girls. He doesn’t, but we understand each other very well. It is nobody’s business what we do or don’t do. … Stop protecting me, please!” (Note: His site history page indicated that he was 13 when he posted this page and 15½ in June 1999. The English index pages said that he lived in the “Land of the Incas.”)<br />
*'''[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voor_een_verloren_soldaat Voor Een Verloren Soldaat] (For A Lost Soldier), autobiographical novel by Rudi van Dantzig, 1986 and 1992 movie made from it'''<br />
*:Acclaimed ballet dancer and choreographer Rudi van Dantzig tells the story of his brief romance at twelve with a Canadian soldier at the end of World War II. <br />
*'''[http://newgon.com/CPP/Stefan/index.htm Stefan] on his webpage'''<br />
*:A 12-year-old in Holland says, “I will tell you about my BEST friend. He’s 28 and works at home. I love him the most in the world and he loves me. He says I’m the cutest boy in the world.” <br />
*'''[http://www.scottohara.com/obit.htm Scott O'Hara], quoted in his obituary at the Spirit of Stonewall Press Conference, New York City, June 24, 1994.'''<br />
*:The publisher of Steam magazine says, “When I was 12 and 13 years old I would have joined NAMBLA in a minute, because I knew I was gay and I wanted to go out and get laid, not just read The Gay Mystique all my life; I needed personal contact.” <br />
*'''Ik Wilde Meer! (“[http://www.martijn.org/info/Martijn/martijn02.pdf I Want More!]”) in Martijn (PDF, 6 Mb), December 1980, page 16-18, in Dutch.'''<br />
*:A married man reports on his 6-year-long relationship with a man who showed him erotic art and masturbated him. The relationship later turned platonic and the younger man was at the older’s deathbed 37 years later. <br />
*'''[http://www.boylover.net/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi/topic/10/194.html tribute to frank] by mick15 on BoyLover.net, December 7, 2005.'''<br />
*:A teenaged boy describes his loving, sexual relationship with his soccer mentor, who had recently died. <br />
*'''I want to speak out!!!!!!!! by “15 yr old boy” on BoyChat, September 2000.'''<br />
*:A 15-year-old boy writes about his adult lover: “He is the best thing that has ever happened to me. … I wish this world would just open its eyes and see that relationships like this are healthy and good for boys my age—but yes only if the boy wants the relationship.” <br />
*'''[http://newgon.com/CPP/Adam-mod.htm There is Magic Out There] by Joshua Adam on his website.'''<br />
*:A 13-year-old in the 10th grade writes about the emotional support he gets from his older friend, Angel, who is helping him overcome the hatred cast upon him by his family and school for liking other boys. Angel and Adam have never met in person and do not plan to do so. Their relationship is entirely nonsexual, although it is definitely one of love and mentorship.<br />
*'''Author [http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1588180395 Kirk Read]'''<br />
*: In his 2001 book, How I Learned to Snap, Kirk Read tells of his sexual experiences with adults starting at age 13, which he says saved his life. "Intergenerational sex saved my life", "American culture's only frame of reference for sex with minors is abuse. I don't deny that abuse occurs, but this should be addressed on a case-by-case basis. A blanket approach that criminalizes all sex between adults and minors undermines the fact that for many gay teenagers, sex with an adult can be a beautiful, life-changing experience. It was for me", "I sought out sex with older men time and time again as a teenager. I had fumbling sexual encounters with other kids as a preadolescent, but they always left me unsatisfied. None of us knew what we were doing, and our shame and fear overwhelmed any joy of discovery" (pp.57-59) [http://www.nambla.org/snap.htm Reviewed] by NAMbLA.<br />
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*'''[http://newgon.com/CPP/Shane-mod.htm Shane] on his website'''<br />
*:A 14-year-old gay boy in Australia says, “I have one really good adult friend that knows about my sexuality, … Steve has never tried anything sexual with me, although I often wish he would.” <br />
*'''[http://www.boychat.org/messages/932399.htm Under My House . Tent Sleeping . Neighbors Bedroom] by Linca on BoyChat, July 2005. '''<br />
*:A man recounts his first experiences of sex, including with an adult neighbor at 14: “[He] did with me … what he had been wanting to do with me since I was 8 years old. We are friends to this day.” <br />
*'''Two posts by hyacinth on BoyChat: [http://newgon.com/CPP/BC-663921.htm May 2002] [1] and [http://www.boychat.org/messages/932570.htm July 2005] [2]'''<br />
*:A man describes his childhood sexual experiences with adults. The first was anal sex with a benedictine monk at 14 years old: “I was't stupid, at 14 I knew my way around … He was very nice and very gentle, and I liked him alot.” [1] Next was a relationship that lasted for a year and a half with a man and his two sons. [2] <br />
*'''[http://newgon.com/CPP/Benjamin-LettersOfBoy.htm Letters of a Loving Boy--Excerpted letters and diaries of boys], edited by Jarod Benjamin, 1997.'''<br />
*:A 14-year-old boy wrote a series of love letters, unsuccessfully courting an adult friend for a more intimate relationship. <br />
*'''[http://newgon.com/CPP/Mogenic-LikeGreece.htm Just Like Greece? — Gay Teen Dates Septuagenarian], an interview of “:John ”: by Brandon K. Thorp in ''Mogenic'', June 2006.'''<br />
*:A 22-year-old man talks about the 67-year-old man he met at the museum where they were both volunteering when he was 13. A friendship emerged based on unusually common interests for such a pair. The relationship evolved into mentoring and eventually romance, which became sexual two years later. They remained occassionally intimate for five years while the teenager also began to explore relationships with his age peers. Looking back on the man’s death when he was 20, he says, “He enhanced the quality of my youth, and his influence will likely enhance the quality of my entire adult life. And I enhanced his old age. We both got something out of it.” <br />
*'''[http://newgon.com/CPP/Aaron/index.htm Aaron], on his website'''<br />
*:A 15-year-old boy talks about his adult lover on his website. <br />
*'''[http://www.nambla.org/boys.htm Boys Speak Out on Man/Boy Love], NAMBLA, 1981.'''<br />
*:NAMBLA published a book with first-person accounts of 29 boys about their relationships with older men. Titles include ''The Best Thing That Ever Happened to Me'' by Greg, 16, ''It Shouldn’t Be a Crime to Make Love'' by Bryan, 12, ''If It Wasn’t for Mark I’d Probably Be Dead Today'' by Carl, 14, ''I Need My Lovers'' by Tyrone, 16, and ''It Was Me Who Started It'' by Frank, 15. <br />
*'''The perspective of a loving boy in [http://newgon.com/CPP/Benjamin-BoysAndBoylovers.htm On Boys and Boylovers] by Jarod Benjamin, 1997.'''<br />
*:Jarod Benjamin’s 1997 study of male-male pedophilia includes a section that reports on pedophile relationships from the point of view of boys in them. Reference is also made to 620 quotes of boys in Edward Brongersma’s [http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1557410038 Loving Boys].<br />
*'''[http://www.thinkandask.com/2006/042106-john.html Baseball, Boys, One Man on Illegal Love]'''<br />
*:A boy happily participates in a sexual and emotional relationship with an older man beginning at age 12. "Jesse is less than half John's age and turned 15-years-old in April, but the boy is not his son. Jesse "is my lover," John said, "but the feelings are mutual, this is a consensual relationship." John met Jesse (not his real name) when the boy was homeless three years ago. [...] In Jesse's own words, "John knows me, he's here inside my head already, I mean all along. He is my dad, boyfriend, best friend, brother, all in one. He's great," he grins as he chats with a friend on the office computer. [...] "I brought it up and told him how I felt and offered to take care of him. That is when he said he was in love with me and never wanted to leave," John said."<br />
*'''[http://www.petertatchell.net/age%20of%20consent/14%20gay%20boyfriend.htm Lee]'''<br />
*:Gay sex at 8 / various illegal / all consenting "Lee is 14. He's been having sex with boys since the age of eight, and with men since he was 12. Lee has a serious problem. He wants a steady relationship and has been going out recently with a guy in his mid-twenties, who he met at the hairdressers. But in the eyes of the law, Lee's partner is a paedophile and Lee is a victim of child abuse. That's not, however, the way Lee sees it: "I want to have a boyfriend. It's my choice. No one's abusing me. Why should we be treated like criminals?". This is a live issue for Lee because he prefers relationships with older guys. "I don't get on with people my own age", says Lee. "They're too immature. I like men in their 20s or early 30s. They are more experienced and serious. With them, you can get into a closer relationship than with a teenager"."<br />
*'''[http://danpedo.sexualpolitik.se/english/davidgb.php#1 David]'''<br />
*:Gay sex at 13 with a man in his mid-30s. "[O]ne day he started telling me about all the boys he'd had, and.., we finally ended up in the next room. We had a good time. I actually thought it was a little funny; at one point I even started to laugh. I don't know why -- I just had this weird need to laugh. [...] It was all so new. It was exciting. [...] (Interviewer: It [your relationship] all sounds very rosy...) Yes, it's really, really great."<br />
*'''[http://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/vigilance-vital-to-keeping-vile-paedophiles-at-bay-57221.html Unnamed 13/14-year-old boy]'''<br />
*:Claims that he consented, but others saw it very differently! [username: as@df.com, p/w: asdf] "The young lad in question, who was 13 when his contact with these paedophiles began, claims that the sexual relationships he had with them were all consensual. In other words, he is stating that he was not raped, and that, to his mind at least, there was no abuse."<br />
*'''[http://www.logicalreality.com/openbb/read.php?TID=1785&page=4 Pat Kelly]'''<br />
*:Aged 5, he helped a boy, 17, masturbate; was grateful for his invitation (Forum down. Pat was the webmaster behind the rational humanist website LogicalReality.com and the associated forums. He claims to have enjoyed hiding in a garage and masturbating the other boy, much like a schoolboy would enjoy being allowed into the staffroom - the world of adults, with which he was so fascinated).<br />
*'''[http://www.martijn.org/info/OK41_EN_1.html Andre and Dennis]'''<br />
*:Educationalist on his relationship with a primary schoolboy. ". Actually, it really lasted quite a while before the sexual side of our relationship started to take shape; I did not dare begin with this so soon. André does feel a bit guilty towards Dennis' mother that he never brought up the sexuality. He asks himself if she may not have figured out after all, because every now and then she has made remarks that could point to that. She does know that Dennis and André have a very physical contact with each other and kiss each other. Basicly, he would like to talk about it, but, understandably, this is not easy. On being asked, Dennis had a clear opinion: 'She does not need to know!'"<br />
*'''"[http://www.martijn.org/page.php?id=1171983 11-year-old faggot]"'''<br />
*:Talks to NAMbLA. Boys speak out. Order: Nambla, P. O. Box 174, Midtown Sta. New York, NY10018 "My first statement is that I want to dispel the image that a child is an ''innocent little puppy dog''. Children have plenty of knowledge about life, the universe and everything. But adults tend not to listen to their children. This ''innocent puppy'' syndrome represses the child's social, sexual, political, economical, and emotional desires. Children are not taken seriously and are expected to conform to a society in which they can't question its validity. This has got to stop! [...] A child is a sexual being. Therefore, children should have the right to explore any aspect of sexuality they desire to engage in. Why do parents, politicians, and police (the 3 p's) feed guilt into children that are sexually active? [...] Many people have been destroyed because of intergenerational relationships, people who could offer the world a lot if they had just not been persecuted for being different. Burning witches is a pastime which is just regaining popularity in the States."<br />
*'''[http://www.p-loog.info/English/interview_3_b/johnny.htm Johnny]'''<br />
*:Maternally approved Gay sex at 12 "(Interviewer: What are the negative aspects of your contact with Ferdinand?) Tss ... There aren't any. [...except] to explain that to my family, or to keep his orientation hidden from them."<br />
*'''[http://www.p-loog.info/English/interview_3_b/peter.htm Peter]'''<br />
*:Happy with pedophile contacts from an early age (around ten) "(Interviewer: What are the negative aspects of your contact with Ferdinand?) I don't have any."<br />
*'''[http://www.p-loog.info/English/interview_3_b/stephan.htm Stephan]'''<br />
*:Descriptive account of yet another acceptable relationship, beginning at age 11. "Ferdinand really picked me up in a terrific way. I have learned lots from him, I've had many experiences and I've done lots of things with Ferdinand. I have learned something about human nature from Ferdinand. And other important things in society, responsibility, how to go about with money. I still don't do that very well, you know, it just didn't stick with me. But, you know, that sort of thing. The important things in life. Before Ferdinand I didn't know about any of these things and through him I have discovered them. Also, I always say, "I didn't have a childhood until I met Ferdinand. Then I received my childhood." And that is really how it was because before that I had so many problems. [...] (Interviewer: What are the negative aspects of your contact with Ferdinand?) Not one! That is very easy to say. Not one."<br />
*'''[http://web.archive.org/web/20040823204921/http://www.logicalreality.com/openbb/read.php?TID=164 Pluto]'''<br />
*:Emotional need for sex with a boy, at 56, after enjoying the reverse long ago. Pluto's early childhood experience involved showering with a grown man, and enjoying sexual contact. At the time of the act, it would have most certainly been disapproved of, but there was no moral panic in place to rob him of his self-worth. "Yes, I did have sex with an adult when I was very young--10, 11, 12 years old--and I treasure and cherish the memories... [...] I was not hurt in any way by it. i only wish there had been more times when he fooled around with me."<br />
*'''[http://www.ipce.info/host/sandfort_87/Appendix.htm Thijs and Joop]''' (in [[Theo Sandfort]]'s ''Boys on their contacts with men'')<br />
*:Befriended by a boylover at nine, and enjoying sex "(Interviewer: What do you find the unpleasant aspects of sex with Joop?) There aren't any. I don't know of any, at least. [...] (Interviewer: Can you say who starts it, when you have sex?) Either of us. Sometimes me, yeah, mostly me. But he, too, real often. [...] (Interviewer: What do you think your mother would feel about your having sex with Joop?) I guess she'd think it was dirty. She'd think a man doing that with a child wasn't normal, that you just shouldn't do it. That's what she'd say. (Interviewer: And how do you feel about her thinking that way?) Rotten stupid! Although I wouldn't tell her it was rotten stupid. I mean, what business is it of hers? It's my business what I do. [...] (Interviewer: How do you feel about your having sex with Joop?) It's just really nice. (Interviewer: It's no problem for you?) It's just like a man going to bed with a woman--I think it's exactly the same: nice. And the feelings and so on they have, I have too."<br />
*'''[http://www.freewebtown.com/newsstand/archive/0316.html Unnamed Indian Boy]'''<br />
*:Newspaper article about M8 + M19 sex and the victim syndrome "Once I was about 15, I grew familiar with terms like paedophilia and child abuse and started to realise what I had been through. This too had a downside. I found myself in 'the victim syndrome'. I started using this incident as an excuse to endear myself to people and constantly looked at myself as victimised in relationships and emotional circumstances. This persists even today but I try to rid myself of this misery."<br />
*'''[http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showpost.php?p=3730495&postcount=250 Sateryn]'''<br />
*:Got a 'kick' out of illegal sex play with adults, at five, but disliked the following investigation "you know the most traumatic part about being molested as a child? sitting in a room with your parents and a therapist staring at you, forcing you to take naked cloth dolls and use them to put on a puppet show to show the adults what happened to you. the physical act of it? the molestation itself? hell, it was interesting... i was 5, it was something new, and i lucked out in that it wasn't violent, just people getting their rocks off - and quite frankly i got a kick out of it, at the time."<br />
*'''[http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?p=3924233#post3924233 IIDB]'''<br />
*:Another member comments about their indifference, and expands later on. "I remember one incident when I was 9 or so and my uncles were 20 and 21. They brought me and a cousin who's about my age to their room and we engaged in oral sex. It was a one-time thing, but I didn't repress the memory, felt ashamed by it, or otherwise damaged by it. We didn't talk about it though, and it doesn't come to mind often. Is that counted as abuse? I had no strong feelings about it then or now. [...] I don't claim that it didn't affect me then, but it affected me in the way sexual activities affect us at that age - that of guilt of doing something I was taught is wrong or shameful. It's the same feeling I got then after masturbation and sexual experimentation with my friends, male and female."<br />
*'''[https://www.boychat.org/messages/967788.htm Hangtwenty]'''<br />
*:1950s boylove with an oversexed 12-year-old. "....The most intense affair happened between 1956 and 1958.... The boy, who was 12 when it started, not only told me that I was his 'best friend', but that I was his 'only friend'...! ....Since we both lived with our parents then, and both lived in the same apartment house, we were together alot... His intensity to be sexual with me was much stronger than mine was for him..!"<br />
*'''[http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,,1589948,00.html Prominent British men on fagging in their public schools]'''<br />
*:Article by the Guardian<br />
*'''[http://www.inquisition21.com/article~view~69~page_num~2.html Gerald]'''<br />
*:Convicted for loving sex with teenage boys, after they made unfortunate spousal choices.<br />
*'''[http://www.martijn.org/info/2000_002_EN.html Dirk Tieleman]'''<br />
*:A journalist claims that a slightly coercive relationship worked to his own benefit. "When I was thirteen, a boy of seventeen sexually used me for a period of time with slight coercion, but I never really felt bad about that. He jacked me off and forced me to jack him off, and at first I felt uncomfortable about that, but after a few times I began to enjoy it myself and the aspect of coercion trailed off. Off course, being a thirteen-year-old boy, I found it curious that I was doing such things with another boy, but I realize now that this first sexual experience has helped me approach girls - to whom I was far more attracted - confidently and without qualms later on. That first sexual experience with a boy was, to me, the perfect introduction to sexuality. [...] In the past years, since the Dutoux scandal, I've been hearing people say all the time that any form of sex with children would automatically lead to great disturbances and 'damage the innocent child's soul beyond repair', but I feel confident in stating with absolute certainty that I haven't suffered the least bit of damage from my first sexual experiences with that older boy - not as a child, and not now. On the contrary: I have always had a very normal and healthy sex life, perhaps even because of that first experience."<br />
*'''[http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/s_553687.html Kevin B. Johnson's Boyfriend]'''<br />
*:"The second boy [15/16?] described a sexual relationship with Johnson that began when the youth was a freshman in 2004 and continued until last month. He told police, "I am not a victim. I was a willing participant," according to the affidavit."<br />
*'''[http://www.ipce.info/booksreborn/martinson/infant/InfantAndChildSexuality.html Floyd Martinson in his book "Infant and Child Sexuality"]'''<br />
*:Martinson quotes another's experience: "My first homosexual experience came at the age of five or six, when I would play with this boy who was at that time about sixteen. He would ask me if I wanted to go into his house for something to eat, like some cookies or something. Of course I would go. Next he would ask me if I would go into the bedroom with him. Upon entering the bedroom, he would undress and ask me to do the same. I would, probably out of fright. I distinctly remember his body being very hairy, so perhaps I underestimated his age. Anyway, after undressing, he would tell me to bend over and then he would insert his erect penis into my anal region and start thrusting back and forth. He would then stimulate my penis and want me to do the same to him. We also masturbated each other, with him reaching orgasm and myself only being stimulated. I also spent some time in oral-genital contact. I did find the whole experience quite pleasing and continued to engage in these activities for a week or two. Then, and I don't recall why, we suddenly stopped doing it completely." <br />
*'''[http://home.wanadoo.nl/ipce/library_two/rind/rind_gay_boys_app.htm Bruce Rind, quoting accounts from Savin-Williams (1997).]'''<br />
*:[B: 13, M: 22] "Subject and adult brother often massaged each other. "This time, however, I got a little hard and then he noted I had grown so much since he last saw me naked. He asked me jokingly if he could suck my dick. I said 'yes' so we got off on each other. He did me and then I did him. He came all over me but I did not. This lasted a month until he headed back to work. I do miss him as a friend and a brother. Was nothing romantic." Subject added, "I liked it, ... felt good. I wanted to do it again and again. I already knew my brother was gay and that I was attracted to men so this did not prove or disprove that I was gay."<br />
*:[B: 15, M: 27] "[It was with] the mailman, honest to God! On and off for two years. The first time was when I came to the door to get a special delivery package in my sheer designer underwear, from American Male. I was changing to go back to school. He sprouted a boner, I got hard, he grabbed mine, I grabbed his, and we were off and running. Every day I'd come home for lunch; my mother worked. I had to be quick so he'd not get docked for late deliveries. He had a real thing for redheads like me. He was very forward, connected with me, and told me how hot I was. Talked about our backgrounds. It ended when he suddenly got transferred and contact became difficult. We visited each other and had sex, but it was hard and we agreed mutually because of the distance that it was better that we be friends and not lovers" (p. 172).<br />
*:[B: 12, M: 22] It lasted 9 months with his science teacher. "It developed over time and was great. We became friends and I invited him over once when my parents weren't home. I practically had to force sex on him because he was afraid about losing his job. Ended when I went away for the summer and he wasn't a teacher at my school no more" (p. 163). " <br />
*:[B: 12, M: 35] The man was a family friend; the sex was mutually initiated, oral, off and on for 10 years (a couple of times per month), and "physically great." It confused the subject that the man was married, yet was willing to have sex with him. "Eventually I fell in love with him; knew I was gay but did not broadcast this; I was curious because of the age difference. Mutual oral sex happened after he fondled me; it was the first orgasm I ever had." <br />
*:[B: 13, M: 38] "Family friend. I initiated on a camping trip; we were in same tent at state park; oral sex to orgasm for both of us; several times during the night; incredibly erotic, tremendous release, very pleasurable. Not real close; didn't enjoy kissing. Afterwards scary because I enjoyed it so much. Not wanting to be near him on the trip because afraid others would notice. Once per month for the next 4 years that I initiated; never talked about it; sex was all it was. Wished I was straight so the attractions would go away, because the sexual gratification was so strong." <br />
*:[B: 14, M: 26] "It was with a stranger; he initiated it; it involved oral and mutual masturbation, we did it 10 more times. I was excited, was loved and in love, got affection, but was not prepared for sex. It was not so l much that I wanted his affection; I was attracted to him. This relationship lasted a week then three months later we met again and we were sexual."<br />
<br />
*'''[[Bruce Rind]] - "The Problem with Consensus Morality", Archives of Sexual Behavior, Vol. 31, No. 6, December 2002'''<br />
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::"These are based on a sampling of interviews I recently conducted on individuals who learned about me from publicity surrounding my publications and contacted me to tell their stories. These cases, involving five men who had sex as boys around age 10 with men, dispute Schmidt’s claim that there can never be sexual consensus between prepubescents and adults. The cases are cross-national, coming from Australia, Canada, England, France, and the United States. The first three men are homosexual and the last two are heterosexual. All names have been altered to preserve confidentiality.<br />
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:*Case 1. Nathan, a 45-year-old Brit, began being intensely curious about adult male genitalia when he was 8. At this age, in attempt to satisfy this curiosity, he surreptitiously went into the room of his household’s sleeping man servant and fondled him under his bed covers. By age 10, his curiosity had turned into sexual arousal. He unsuccessfully tried to solicit sex from men in locker rooms. At age 11, he met a neighbor man, whom he worked on over many visits in attempt to initiate sex. Eventually, he succeeded. In his many repeats with the man over the next 2 years, Nathan reported that hewas the "conductor" - he controlled the sexual interactions. While still a boy, he had several other sexual relations with men, all of which he viewed as very positive. He thinks the sex helped his sexual self-confidence: as he matured, he knew exactly what he wanted in sex, while his peers were still searching.<br />
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:*Case 2. James, a 23-year-old Canadian, first felt sexually aroused by other males at age 6 and had his first sex at 8 with a peer. At 11, he befriended a neighbor man, towhom he gave many signals, hoping for sex to occur. Eventually, it did, which made him feel proud and closer to the man. Over the next 3 years, he visited the man regularly, often secretly to avoid the possibility of his parents ending the relationship. He saw the relationship as very positive and said it built his personality (e.g., greater self-confidence) and influenced many of his tastes (e.g., an appreciation for literature).<br />
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:*Case 3. Daniel, a 33-year-old Frenchman, was physically affectionate with his father starting at age 6. By 8, he became sexually attracted to him. At 10, he initiated sexual fondling with him, which the father accepted. In the sexual relationship, which lasted 4 years, Daniel always initiated the sex. In retrospect, he cherished the intimacy and described the relationship as "beautiful, pure, security, confidence, and love." He said it built his sexual self-confidence.<br />
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:*Case 4. At age 8, Dennis, a 21-year-old American, initiated sexual contact with a man friendly with his family, whom he suspected of being involved with his older brother. Sex occurred between them for the next 2 years. He said he usually initiated the encounters because he was always ready for sex. He described the relationship as the most positive he has ever had. He saw himself as having the upper hand, because he felt he had control over the man, who went to great lengths to fulfill his wishes. He felt that his adolescent and adult sexual relations went more smoothly because of the competence he got from these early experiences. Asked how a heterosexual male could have enjoyed homosexual relations, he answered that he was attracted to sex back then, not females or males per se.<br />
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:*Case 5. John, a 22-year-old Australian, first realized his sexual arousal to girls at age 8. By 9, he felt lonely and was bullied by older boys, when he met a male neighbor in his late teens. They quickly became friends, and John spent a lot of time at his house. The young man eventually initiated masturbatory sex with him. John was at first apprehensive that otherswould find out, but became comfortable with the sex once he felt safe from this concern. The relationship lasted 3 years. He was proud to be seen with the older male, saw him as his protector, and saw the intimacy they had as the highlight of his life. Asked if the relationship was consenting, he said yes, because he wanted it, the young man wanted it, he loved the young man, so consent meant, "Yes, do it.""<br />
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*'''[http://www.ipce.info/ipceweb/Library/01oct01c_my_father.htm My Father and I]'''<br />
*:Positive man-boy incest is interrupted by a mother. "My father molested me from the time I was two till I was 15. We would lie naked and he would play with my penis. Then he would give me oral sex. When I was old enough I then started sucking him too. He never hurt me or tried to have anal sex with me, even though I wanted him to. I had anal sex with him, a few times, once my father decided my penis was big enough. My father and I would plan things around the times where we could meet and make each other feel good. My mother found out and two months ago my father was sent to prison. What my father did to me was not rape, at all. He never hurt me. In fact, I looked forward to spending the time with him but my mother and the police don't seem to listen."<br />
*'''[http://www.ipce.info/ipceweb/Library/00dec18c_a_professor_speaks.htm William Percy]'''<br />
*:Article "UMASS professor advocates pederasty" William Armstrong Percy III says that when he was 14, he seduced a male soldier while traveling on a train. "I never got enough sex with an older man. I don't see that I was harmed at all, except being deprived of not having more," said Percy. "I was already the aggressor."<br />
*'''[http://www.ipce.info/library_3/files/tindall.htm The male adolescent involved with a pederast becomes an adult]'''<br />
*:Several accounts. "During his 11th year he began spending his spare time around a service station, where he became acquainted with a master mechanic who was then in his early 40s, married, and childless. [...] On a fishing trip, during a break on an island, they began talking about sex, which led to Denver's being fellated by the mechanic and to masturbation of the mechanic by Denver. For the next 5 years mutual fellatio occurred two or three times per week. Sexual activity with the mechanic ceased at about age 19, but a close relationship continued to exist until the mechanic's death. Denver is now 44 years of age. [...] Denver remarried and has been a valued mechanic with the same company for 20 years. He has a supervisory position and believes that his relationship with his mechanic friend helped him reach his goals. He says he would have approved a similar relationship for either of his sons, had he become aware of such a situation. He reports no desire to have sex with males since approximately age 20."<br />
*'''[http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/10/19/national/main2104978.shtml Mark Foley]'''<br />
*:Former American Republican, @13y/o. "The Rev. Anthony Mercieca, 72, described several encounters that he said Foley might perceive as sexually inappropriate, the Sarasota Herald-Tribune reported. They include massaging Foley while the boy was naked, skinny-dipping together at a secluded lake in Lake Worth and being nude in the same room on overnight trips. "Once maybe I touched him or so ... but I didn't, it's not something you call rape or penetration or anything like that," Mercieca told West Palm Beach station WPTV in a phone interview. "He seemed to like it, you know? So it was sort of more like a spontaneous thing". Mercieca said."<br />
*'''[http://richarddawkins.net/article,118,Religionrsquos-Real-Child-Abuse,Richard-Dawkins Richard Dawkins]'''<br />
*:From an article of his, that despite not being exactly sex - positive, goes as far as is 'acceptable' in playing down the impact of nonviolent, situational fondling of children by priests, whilst attacking the religious dogmas that sometimes cause so much shame after such encounters. "Being fondled by the Latin master in the Squash Court was a disagreeable sensation for a nine-year-old, a mixture of embarrassment and skin-crawling revulsion, but it was certainly not in the same league as being led to believe that I, or someone I knew, might go to everlasting fire. As soon as I could wriggle off his knee, I ran to tell my friends and we had a good laugh, our fellowship enhanced by the shared experience of the same sad pedophile. I do not believe that I, or they, suffered lasting, or even temporary damage from this disagreeable physical abuse of power. Given the Latin Master’s eventual suicide, maybe the damage was all on his side."<br />
*'''[http://www.ipce.info/ipceweb/Statements/factoids.htm Heinz Kohut]'''<br />
*:Strozier, quoting the Psychologist on his relationship as a child: "I had this private tutor, who was a very important person in my life. He would take me to museums and swimming and concerts and we had endless intellectual conversations and played complicated intellectual games and played chess together" They also did sexual things together, which they both enjoyed, but Kohut felt the sex was more or less incidental. The important thing for him was the relationship. He said "I was an only child. So it was in some way psychologically life-saving for me. I was very fond of this fellow." Heinz was about 10 or 11 at the time. He describes his years with his tutor as being perhaps the happiest ones in his life."<br />
*'''[http://news.scotsman.com/farrightineurope/Fortuyn-favoured-depraved.2326187.jp Pim Fortuyn]'''<br />
*:Populist, anti - immigration, homosexual Politician from the Netherlands (deceased): "Fortuyn's first experience occurred when he was five years old. "The Dutch soldier asks if I want to see his tent. That's what I want. I like it and they all are sleeping on the ground in a sleeping-bag. I ask if it is hard and cold to sleep on the ground. Oh no, come here. Together we crawl in his sleeping-bag. The soldier asks my name and I ask his name. “He is called Arie and he asks if I like that name. Yes, I think that's a nice name and I lie beside him, nice and warm." Fortuyn then described a close sexual encounter with the soldier before leaving his sleeping-bag "to go and play outside." He added: "Can I come back tomorrow? Yes, tomorrow I may come back, says Arie." A few pages later, he describes another incident: "I went to the park for a walk, it was very silent and the sun was shining. On the bench sat a young fellow. I stood still, curious." Fortuyn relates another sexual encounter - this time in explicit detail. He concludes: "I was frightened and ran away to my home, to my mother. Excited, I ran into the room. My mother looked at me searchingly and asked what had happened. Nothing, of course. Watch out, little man, was the only thing she said. A glass of lemonade made me calm down. Yes, that was exciting." Most telling is his appraisal of these memories. "In chapter 1 about the 1950s, I wrote about my early sexual experiences, experiences that I see as an enrichment. Today, an experience like that in the park could easily lead to a complaint by parents to the police because of paedophilia, and the relevant young man would be in trouble. But why? "He didn't do me any harm. On the contrary, he showed me something that was incomprehensibly exciting and I could feel and touch it, but today we are ready to interfere with complete teams of professionals. By interfering in such an irritating and grown-up way in the world of children, we make an enormous problem of something that for a child is no problem at all and is only exciting.""<br />
*'''[http://www.mwillett.org/Debate/viewtopic.php?p=121929#121929 Todd Nickerson]'''<br />
*:A self-declared pedophile writes: "I did have a single sexual encounter with an adult when I was a child, though I would hardly describe it as traumatic or even unpleasant. My memory of being touched—and that’s all it amounted to—is that it was, at most, a little confusing since I didn’t really understand what was taking place. Not that I really minded, though. In fact, after it occurred, I went immediately to a relative and bragged to her about it."<br />
*'''[http://www.boylover.net/ Boylover.net member on experiences as an 11-year-old boy]'''<br />
*:"We piled back into the limo and it drove us to Toronto where we went to a stage play. I don’t remember what we saw because my head was still spinning about the fact that this attractive man, one who could have any female he wanted, was in love with me and was doing all this to make this night as special as he could. After the play, we headed for home. Limo drivers must have orders to ignore whatever they see going on in the back because ours got quite an eyeful. He was treated to the sight of an eleven-year-old boy and a nineteen-year-old man acting like boyfriends. We kissed, we petted, and we worked each other into an erotic frenzy, a frenzy for which there could only be one consummation."<br />
*'''[http://www.boylover.net/ Boylover.net member on intercourse]'''<br />
*:"I was 10 and it was with an Adult Friend. I did not, nor do I now think I was abused. (well not by my AF anyway) I liked it. We only ever did the things I wanted to do."<br />
*'''[http://www.helping-people.info/Treatment/sot/offender.htm#3-6a_narrative_force Frans Gieles in an article of his]'''<br />
*:"Craisatie (1998, among others page 117) describes a client who, as a child, had frequented a group, which in the book was called 'a child pornography ring'. As a child, he never had seen this as being abuse. Contrarily, he said that he'd gotten a lot of love, comradeship and care, which he did not get at home. Craisatie describes it as an example of successful treatment that his client ultimately abandoned his feeling of being loved and changed it into the feeling of being abused although this occurred only gradually and very late in the treatment process [...] Ehrenreich (2004) describes a man who for nineteen years was held in a closed clinic. He denied his offense, thus refused to speak about it, thus he did not cooperate, thus year after year his stay was renewed. Then, he changed tack: he 'acknowledged' his offense, he spoke about it, he did exactly what the therapists ordered, and said that he benefited from their treatment. This was the only way to be released. The man has been released. Then it turned out that is accusers had lied about everything they had said, under high pressure of the police: there never had been an offense."<br />
*'''Boy in Dan Tsang (1981)''', "The age taboo". London: Gay Men's Press. <br />
*:"It's often not the man who goes out to seduce the boy, but the other way round. In my first experience, I did the seducing. . . . It is mostly the boys who go out in search of sexual satisfaction from men..."<br />
*'''[http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=bta8oOuDtoI (Man?) on YouTube]'''<br />
*:An extremely detailed account that was hindered by a voice concealer. Person had a positive relationship as youngster, and has met pedophiles.<br />
*'''[http://www.sunstar.com.ph/static/net/2007/10/19/orphans.admit.clown.fondled.them.html Carlock the Clown]'''<br />
*:Some young children pleaded with authorities not to press charges against a clown who played with them sexually. "Surprisingly though, when asked by American embassy officials if they wanted their "Kuya Paul" charged in court for abusing them, all the three kids pleaded with the officials not to file a case against Carlock. "Please don't file a case against Kuya Paul. He is a good man, he is a good man," the kids said. "The kids told me that they loved the man so much because he was so good to them. They said they treated the man as their father. Paul gave them candies, lollipops," Karasuyama said." The clown was eventually [http://illinoishomepage.net/content/fulltext/?cid=9747 tasered and killed by police].<br />
*'''[http://terrygeorge.co.uk/home/?topic=440 Terry George on "phone sex" with Michael Jackson]'''<br />
*:According to George, Michael Jackson engaged him in "phone sex" at the age of 13: "I do not feel like a victim and I never did feel like a victim," he said. See [http://terrygeorge.co.uk/home/?folder=13 directory] for other articles.<br />
*'''[http://www.freetimes.com/stories/13/43/confessions-of-a-proud-pedophile-phillip-distasio-says-getting-caught-was-all-part-of-his-plan Phillip Distasio]'''<br />
*:Imprisoned for life; a proud pedophile activist who had a relationship with an older man at 12. "Distasio describes himself as a second-generation pedophile: at the age of 12, he began a relationship with an older man, a swimming instructor named Charlie, at a boys' club in Massachusetts. He says he's known about his proclivity since age 9. "To me," he says, “it is as valid as any other sexual orientation.""<br />
*'''[http://www.broadbandreports.com/shownews/Cleaning-Up-Tor-82218 "Jay78" commenting on broadbandreports.com]'''<br />
*:"Also, when I was about 6 years of age I was sexually "used" without coercion by an adult family member in ways that today would have put that person in prison. I almost forgot about that seemingly anecdotal incident and memory until I was reminded of it by the current hysteria over that kind of thing. Compared with the other things I experienced, that was not even worth thinking of, I would never hurt that person who did that and have a good relationship with that person today."<br />
*'''[http://www.ipce.info/library_3/files/rivas_howard_miller.htm "Howard Miller" as told to Titus Rivas, Ipce]'''<br />
*:"We would zip our sleeping bags together and he would tickle and massage me all over. He would tell me dirty jokes while helping me with my homework and get me aroused. Then we would masturbate together. He satisfied me and then himself or we satisfied ourselves while watching each other. I thought that he was fascinating to look at and occasionally touch but not to satisfy. [...] I have only good feelings about what happened but am sad that most people will never be able to understand that. I also wish that we didn't have to worry about each other getting into trouble with the society over what happened. [...] Because I had such a positive experience as a child I believe that I can say with absolute certainty that sometimes such relationships can be very positive. Notice I don't say that they always will be, but heck more than 50% of marriages end in divorce. Most real child abuse occurs in families. Should then marriage be outlawed?"<br />
*'''[http://www.boylover.net/info/scrapbook/kolya_03.html Loren Robb and Kolya - Bulletin]'''<br />
*:A man tells of his loving relationship with a young native Arctic boy who he brought up in New Zealand.<br />
*'''[http://youfoundme.org/mylife.html My Life - Youfoundme.org]'''<br />
*:A very long testimony written by a person known to a contact of Newgon.com. "It was the end of that summer that I learned what real heartache felt like. Sex was never the dominating factor in my relationship with James. I wanted to fool around a lot more than he did but I just liked being with him. He knew so much about construction and getting things to work that it was like being at school all the time except it was fun. Like any kid who hears his dad tell the same joke all the time I got tired of hearing "plumbings easy boy, just remember shit flows down hill". What I really didn't want to hear was the day James told me we couldn't do the sex thing anymore. I don't recall his exact words but something to the effect "this just isn't right or this isn't normal". I was crushed. It (our friendship) seemed so normal and great to me that I didn't understand why he felt that way. My suffering didn't come from the hands of an abuser, my suffer came from the words of a man who feared for my wellbeing. I kept telling him I was okay with things and nothing needed to change. Change did come and even my begging wouldn't get him to monkey around with me. It happened once or twice after the big talk but it was never the same."<br />
*'''[http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2372/is_4_41/ai_n9488757/pg_1 Jessica L. Stanley (Researcher)]'''<br />
*:"One man, at 14 years old, researched the location of gay bars and met a man with whom he had a few sexual encounters and with whom he has maintained a friendship for nearly 20 years."<br />
*'''[http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2372/is_3_39/ai_94130312 Curtis Dolezal (Researcher)]'''<br />
*:"participant was 10 when he had sexual contact on 20 occasions over 3 months with a 25-year-old male neighbor. The events involved mutual masturbation and oral sex. The participant did not feel coerced or hurt and did not feel it was sexual abuse "because I seduced the neighbor."<br />
*'''[[Paedophilia: The radical case|O'Carroll 1980, p.83-84]]'''<br />
*:"As a boy he became sexually mature at age twelve-and-a-half. "It was like the world was beginning to make sense, to take on purpose and meaning. [...] I regard my meeting with Mr. S., then aged twenty-six, as a critical turning point in my love life. Until then, sex was fun, felt good and left me only moderately guilty. Once I approached Mr.S. (Yes, I approached him) with my thirteen-year-old impatience for intimacy, he told no one, responded positively to my shaky advances (didn't even laught at me!) and simply embraced me. [...] Here was a masculine adult man (happily married even), who was interested in doing with me what I was already finding exciting with my boy-friends. And through this relationship a new dimension was added to my experience which has not occurred to me before - tenderness, affection and love. (...) This affection was, in its way, just as satisfying as the ecstatic orgasms that punctuated our days and nights together. I regard this man, this relationship as a turning point because I was never the same after knowing him for two years - I was more in tune with myself after that...".<br />
*'''[[Sex met kinderen]], pages 75-76. (Untranslated - [[Frits Bernard]])'''<br />
*:A 25 year old man tells of a relationship struck up with a gay man when he was eight. They started having sex when he was ten, something that he enjoyed. The relationship lasts until he is 18.<br />
*'''"En me vriendje houdt van mij: 23 verhalen uit het leven gegrepen", edited by Ben Füss and Gorrit Goslinga (Eindhoven: Stichting Uitgeverij NVSH, 1981)'''<br />
*:"We had just moved and that was how I met a nice man, as a 13-year-old. We talked a lot, in his room. He was very interested in art and possessed a lot of books with pictures of works of art and sculptry. I had little interest for this but did not want to hurt Dick's feelings. Only the pictures that showed nudity captured my interest. I also tried to hide this. [...]" This interest was noticed by Dick and it led to Dick briefly caressing the boy's genitals. Dick was very cautious and tried to end it immediately. The boy was very eager to have additional sexual experiences and finally persuaded Dick to allow him a visit. One thing led to another and the end result was a tender sexual relationship that lasted for about six years. After the war he re-established a life-long friendship with Dick, though without the sexual aspect. He was there when Dick died at age 83. He adds: "The value of this relationship is something I continue to cherish till this very day."<br />
*'''[http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/15/science/15gajdusek.html "D. Carleton Gajdusek, Who Won Nobel for Work on Brain Disease, Is Dead at 85"]'''<br />
*:"D. Carleton Gajdusek, a virologist who won the 1976 Nobel Prize in medicine for his work on the mysterious epidemics now known as prion diseases, died last week in Tromso, Norway. [...] In later life, Dr. Gajdusek became notorious when he was charged with molesting the many young boys he had adopted in New Guinea and Micronesia and brought to live with him in Maryland. He pleaded guilty to one charge, served a year in prison and left the United States in 1998, dividing his time between Paris, Amsterdam and Tromso. [...] He also remained unrepentant about the sexual relationships with his adopted sons, Dr. Klitzman said. He considered American law prudish and pointed out that sex with young men was normal in the cultures he studied and in the classic Greek societies at the foundation of Western civilization. His legal assistant, Dorrie Runman, who was previously married to one of his sons, John Runman, said Dr. Gajdusek’s survivors included “his adopted sons and daughters, including Yavine Borimaand Jesse Mororui-Gajdusek in the United States, and two nephews, Karl Lawrence Gajdusek and Mark Terry.” His children were legally adopted, Ms. Runman said. He put several through college and graduate or medical school. Some of them, now in their 50s, supported him during his legal troubles, while one sibling testified against him."<br />
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*'''[http://www.jungsforum.net/politik/messages/159581.htm Anon, in Berliner Zeitung (Translation)]'''<br />
*:"Being 52 now, I got a relationship with a man at the age of 8-9 of whom I was told later that he was a paedophile. The relationship went on until I was about 14 years old and we were lucky that it remained undiscovered and free of police enquiries. Even today, so many years later, I remember my big friend with gratitude, as he made my coming out as a gay person later on – and many other things in my life - a lot easier for me. Since then, I have met numerous people who also had [consensual] sexual relationships with adults as children and teenagers and who are not ashamed of this. It is easy to understand why such people never get in touch with abuse counseling agencies, because they really don't need such help. That's how such centres get a completely one-sided view of so-called victims of abuse.".<br />
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*'''''Paedophilia - What It Means To The Child'' by [[Frits Bernard]], printed in [http://exitinterview.biz/rarities/panfull.htm PAN 3] (pp. 15 - 17)'''<br />
**"I was about 13 when I had my first paedophile experience. [...] The man who brought me into touch with homosexuality and whom I even loved physically was, and still is, one of my dearest friends. I remember what a wonderful feeling it was when he satisfied me for the first time. I was not troubled in the least by worries over having done 'perverted things', probably because I had no idea of what such things were. [...] The only trouble I have had over this was when I first told my fiancee about it."<br />
**"When I was seven I had contact with a man who was especially nice to me. He used to take me to his attic, sit me on his lap and play with me sexually. I thought it was very nice and enjoyed it. I always looked forward to Wednesday afternoons, the days when we saw each other. This went on for a long time. Later I had many contacts with other men, but never with boys my own age. One day I went with a waiter to his house. I was very interested and excited. We had unusually satisfying sex together. I must have been about 14. Back home I was restless and went to see him the very next day on my own initiative. We had intercourse about twenty times in the following period. [...] Now, after a good life, I can see these early contacts as very positive to my development. I would not like to have missed them and I do not envy the people who never had these opportunities."<br />
**"When I was about eight years old I got to know a man in the street who thought I played very nicely. He invited me out for a bicycle ride, and later to visit his home. [...] From him I recieved love, which actually I had never known (not, I mean, in the way I know it at present from my wife). [...] Later, when I was ten or eleven, we had sex with each other, something I always enjoyed."<br />
**Several further accounts involving slightly older minors are available in the article.<br />
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*'''Zimmerman, Ann (1994). "[http://www.dallasobserver.com/1994-11-17/news/tell-mama-why-you-cry-part-i/5 'Tell Mama Why You Cry' (Part I)]," ''Dallas Observer'', November 17.'''<br />
*:"The tape of Tim's interview could not be located, but according to Black's notes, Tim had seen his father touch his sister on her private parts on several occasions. "He stated his father tickles Lima on her private parts and she likes it. When questioned further, Tim revealed his father also touches him on his private parts...at his house...Tim stated he doesn't mind his father doing this."<br />
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*'''Leahy, Terry. (1992). "Positively Experienced Man/Boy Sex: The Discourse of Seduction and the Social Construction of Masculinity," ''Journal of Sociology'', 28(1), 71-88.'''<br />
*:A study of eight people who perceived their childhood (under 16) contacts with adults positively.<br />
*:"Derek describes his first sexual encounter with a man in the following way. He is at the park at six o’clock on the swing. A man rushes towards him and begins to strip off:<br />
*::I just sat there looking. I didn’t know what to do but sort of thrilling. I looked, gawked, sort of ... I didn’t mind, I just kept on swinging on the swing. And I wasn’t scared or anything and he just come up to me and said ’Oh, how are ya?’ and I said ’Oh, not too bad’. In other words, coming on to me. And he turned around and said, ’Oh, what’s your name?’ And I’d tell him my name ’cause I wasn’t scared or anything because it was in a park and it was about six o’clock, really early, six, you know what I mean. And he just said, ’Would you like a drink?’ and I said ’No’. Then I started getting a bit nervy, nervous sort of thing. I knew, I must ... I knew in a way that he’d do something. So I just sat there, you know, and he said, ’Oh, would you like to come for a drive?’ Well I rushed him! So I just went for a drive with him and there we got off. First time, we got off ... I wanted to try it out. So I tried it. It was a really good feeling. Ever since then I kept on going.<br />
*:Here the narrative of this event begins with Derek sitting innocently on the swing. A man appears with obvious sexual intentions. Derek is instantly thrilled and takes voyeuristic pleasure in seeing him undress. He is not scared to go with the man and in fact ’rushes’ him. The sex is great and he has an orgasm. Even anal sex, though a bit uncomfortable at first, is enjoyed. All this has happened because he wanted to try it out and having done so he is eager to repeat the experience. This is typical of the discourse of male adolescent sexuality - spontaneous, adventurous, sexual pleasure is guaranteed, and casual contact is exciting. Derek presents himself as an active and initiating party. The events that take place are in reponse to his emerging self constituted sexual desire. All this works against any interpretation of Derek as a victim of homosexual seduction. Summarising his attitude to these sexual encounters on another occasion he concludes:<br />
*::I mean to say, sex is sex, you gotta, you know, well ... The way I feel, what would you do without it? It’s just something normal. Sex is just normal for everybody. Not just for me, for everybody and to do without ... I reckon it would be pretty hard to do without it so you’re just going to have to think.<br />
*:[...]<br />
*:Christopher’s interview provides a thorough discussion of these issues. At the time when he was interviewed he was in his mid thirties. His relationship with an adult gay man, George, began when he was about nine years old and lasted till he was eighteen. In a wry comment on the discourse of seduction he offered this remark:<br />
*::So I suppose then, you want to know now if I’m fucked up now sexually because of this terrible trauma of my childhood? Well - no. Umm. My main thrust - pun! - is heterosexual but ahh, I still occasionally sleep with males but when I say occasionally I mean very occasionally.<br />
*:[...]<br />
*:In particular, in discussing the various sexual activities in which he was engaged, Christopher stresses the physical pleasures of various acts and argues that his initial reservations about particular practices (oral sex, anal sex) were broken down as he received physical pleasure from these activities and came to feel that it was only fair to reciprocate."<br />
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*'''[http://dir.salon.com/story/mwt/feature/2002/07/22/coming_of_age/ Minor report] by David Tuller in Salon.com, July 22, 2002.'''<br />
**An aircraft maintenance worker describes his first experience at thirteen with a man of about 30 who had hired him to do yard work. After inviting him inside and showing him pictures of men wrestling, the man “started rubbing my crotch, and I was both nervous and really excited by it.” He went on to seek out other significantly older men. “I never felt used. I really wanted it, and except for the first time I always felt like the aggressor.” <br />
**Noted gay novelist Edmund White talks about picking up men at Chicago beaches and public restrooms from the age of 13 or 14. “I was very oversexed, absolutely driven wild by desire. ... The first one was a handsome architect, who actually had children older than me. I was absolutely fascinated by him, and I seduced him. I followed him to his car, walked right up to him and started talking to him. My mother was away and I said, ‘Come back to my apartment.’ And it was terrific.” <br />
** In an essay about sex between adolescents and adults, David Tuller relates his own desire as a 15-year-old "tormented homosexual wannabe." Upon seeing the movie Summer of '42, in which a young widow "pulls Hermie into her arms and, in her grief, into her bed," he says, "I cried while I watched, ... because I so yearned for the tender moments that Hermie found." <br />
**A gay healthcare professional in his 50s discusses how the relationship he pursued with a family friend in his early 20s helped him learn at the age of fifteen that men could care for each other. "It was clear that it certainly felt good to both of us. ... In some way it was a real lifesaver, because it made me feel that love and affection and closeness and sex would be possible in my life. ... when we were together, it was like a little oasis where we could be ourselves." <br />
** A businessman in Denver recounts his two-year relationship, from age fifteen, with his 29-year-old boss at the restaurant where he worked. "It was frightening and invigorating and I felt clumsy and awkward. But he was playful and fun and very gentle. I never felt coerced. As foreign as it was to me I was very open to it. Afterwards, I felt good, like I'd experienced something I'd wanted to for a long time." Speaking of how it affected his life at the time, he says, "I wasn't an awkward, out-of-place kid anymore. I felt appreciated for being gay, instead of being an outcast and made fun of. Suddenly I had this new self-confidence. I didn't have to hate myself for being gay." <br />
*'''[http://www.boychat.org/messages/932440.htm A long and varied career by Ambar] on BoyChat, July 2005.'''<br />
*:A man recounts his earliest sexual experiences, including with his best friend’s father at eight years old: “He became my second very, very, very best friend and so began a wonderful, loving relationship. I still adore that man :-)” <br />
*'''[http://newgon.com/CPP/HFP-072.htm Letter from John] in HFP Mailbag and [http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/13023005/ Sexual Abuse from a Victim] by John Tate, December 7, 2004.'''<br />
*:A 17-year-old reports on the anguish in his life stemming from sexual activity with his grandfather from age seven and attributes the worst aspects to society’s attitudes about it: “I think if this sort of thing was tolerated I would not have felt so fucking alienated, so hated, as a child, I would have not been an outcast.” <br />
*'''[http://www.boychat.org/messages/932397.htm count me IN !!! :))] by siao on BoyChat, July 2005. '''<br />
*:A man recounts his first experience of sex with an adult at seven years old: “suddenly fun was "in" … gosh, what was that twirling feeling which went all thru me ???” He also speaks of such encounters with many other men, saying, “NOT A SINGLE ONE EVER ABUSED ME ! I was free to say 'YES!!!!' and also knew how to say 'no' if there were ever anything I might not want.” <br />
*'''[http://www.bostonmagazine.com/articles/boy_crazy/ Boy Crazy] in Boston Magazine, May 2001'''<br />
**Famous poet Allen Ginsberg commented on the 1977 pedophilia scandal in Revere, Massachusetts, "I had sex when I was 8 with a man in the back of my grandfather’s candy store in Revere, and I turned out okay." <br />
**Best-selling Canadian author James Dubro was 14 in 1961 when he started having sex with a 22-year-old college student who remains his friend 40 years later. <br />
*'''[http://newgon.com/CPP/BC-146796.htm My Story: A story of a boy] by Elf on BoyChat, October 1998.'''<br />
*:A man in his mid-20s tells his story. When he was nine or ten years old, he responded willingly to the seduction of a 16- or 17-year-old neighbor boy. They had a passionate love affair for over a year until they were discovered and his father beat him savagely. The older boy’s family disappeared from town. This man wrote of that affair as the best thing that ever happened to him and attributed his deep problems at the time of writing to the brutal way it was torn away from him. <br />
*'''"[http://newgon.com/CPP/Spike/xaboutme.htm Spike]" on his website'''<br />
*:A 15-year-old boy writes about his adult lover: “When I was 10, I found myself a mentor, a wonderful old man that needed me as much as I needed him. … J has been the best thing that could ever have happened to me. Everything I am today I owe to J. He and Mom are both educated people who believe that I must prepare myself for adulthood by learning how to learn, how to think for myself, and how to believe in myself … Mom sees the results of my association with J, and she could not be more pleased.” <br />
*'''[http://newgon.com/CPP/Hoby-mod.htm Hoby] on his website'''<br />
*:A boy proclaims his interest in adult men and says, “You should be able to love whoever you want when you want and as long as you both happy it dont matter what anyone else thinks.” <br />
*'''''[http://newgon.com/CPP/Arlekin/complain-mod.htm My Complaints]'' by David Alejandro, December 1996, on his website.'''<br />
*:A 13-year-old boy makes an impassioned plea for sexual freedom: “I want to love and be loved by whom I want. For the last two years I have an older friend. I am not gay, I like girls. He doesn’t, but we understand each other very well. It is nobody’s business what we do or don’t do. … Stop protecting me, please!” (Note: His site history page indicated that he was 13 when he posted this page and 15½ in June 1999. The English index pages said that he lived in the “Land of the Incas.”)<br />
*'''[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voor_een_verloren_soldaat Voor Een Verloren Soldaat] (For A Lost Soldier), autobiographical novel by Rudi van Dantzig, 1986 and 1992 movie made from it'''<br />
*:Acclaimed ballet dancer and choreographer Rudi van Dantzig tells the story of his brief romance at twelve with a Canadian soldier at the end of World War II. <br />
*'''[http://newgon.com/CPP/Stefan/index.htm Stefan] on his webpage'''<br />
*:A 12-year-old in Holland says, “I will tell you about my BEST friend. He’s 28 and works at home. I love him the most in the world and he loves me. He says I’m the cutest boy in the world.” <br />
*'''[http://www.scottohara.com/obit.htm Scott O'Hara], quoted in his obituary at the Spirit of Stonewall Press Conference, New York City, June 24, 1994.'''<br />
*:The publisher of Steam magazine says, “When I was 12 and 13 years old I would have joined NAMBLA in a minute, because I knew I was gay and I wanted to go out and get laid, not just read The Gay Mystique all my life; I needed personal contact.” <br />
*'''Ik Wilde Meer! (“[http://www.martijn.org/info/Martijn/martijn02.pdf I Want More!]”) in Martijn (PDF, 6 Mb), December 1980, page 16-18, in Dutch.'''<br />
*:A married man reports on his 6-year-long relationship with a man who showed him erotic art and masturbated him. The relationship later turned platonic and the younger man was at the older’s deathbed 37 years later. <br />
*'''[http://www.boylover.net/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi/topic/10/194.html tribute to frank] by mick15 on BoyLover.net, December 7, 2005.'''<br />
*:A teenaged boy describes his loving, sexual relationship with his soccer mentor, who had recently died. <br />
*'''I want to speak out!!!!!!!! by “15 yr old boy” on BoyChat, September 2000.'''<br />
*:A 15-year-old boy writes about his adult lover: “He is the best thing that has ever happened to me. … I wish this world would just open its eyes and see that relationships like this are healthy and good for boys my age—but yes only if the boy wants the relationship.” <br />
*'''[http://newgon.com/CPP/Adam-mod.htm There is Magic Out There] by Joshua Adam on his website.'''<br />
*:A 13-year-old in the 10th grade writes about the emotional support he gets from his older friend, Angel, who is helping him overcome the hatred cast upon him by his family and school for liking other boys. Angel and Adam have never met in person and do not plan to do so. Their relationship is entirely nonsexual, although it is definitely one of love and mentorship.<br />
*'''Author [http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1588180395 Kirk Read]'''<br />
*: In his 2001 book, How I Learned to Snap, Kirk Read tells of his sexual experiences with adults starting at age 13, which he says saved his life. "Intergenerational sex saved my life", "American culture's only frame of reference for sex with minors is abuse. I don't deny that abuse occurs, but this should be addressed on a case-by-case basis. A blanket approach that criminalizes all sex between adults and minors undermines the fact that for many gay teenagers, sex with an adult can be a beautiful, life-changing experience. It was for me", "I sought out sex with older men time and time again as a teenager. I had fumbling sexual encounters with other kids as a preadolescent, but they always left me unsatisfied. None of us knew what we were doing, and our shame and fear overwhelmed any joy of discovery" (pp.57-59) [http://www.nambla.org/snap.htm Reviewed] by NAMbLA.<br />
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*'''[http://newgon.com/CPP/Shane-mod.htm Shane] on his website'''<br />
*:A 14-year-old gay boy in Australia says, “I have one really good adult friend that knows about my sexuality, … Steve has never tried anything sexual with me, although I often wish he would.” <br />
*'''[http://www.boychat.org/messages/932399.htm Under My House . Tent Sleeping . Neighbors Bedroom] by Linca on BoyChat, July 2005. '''<br />
*:A man recounts his first experiences of sex, including with an adult neighbor at 14: “[He] did with me … what he had been wanting to do with me since I was 8 years old. We are friends to this day.” <br />
*'''Two posts by hyacinth on BoyChat: [http://newgon.com/CPP/BC-663921.htm May 2002] [1] and [http://www.boychat.org/messages/932570.htm July 2005] [2]'''<br />
*:A man describes his childhood sexual experiences with adults. The first was anal sex with a benedictine monk at 14 years old: “I was't stupid, at 14 I knew my way around … He was very nice and very gentle, and I liked him alot.” [1] Next was a relationship that lasted for a year and a half with a man and his two sons. [2] <br />
*'''[http://newgon.com/CPP/Benjamin-LettersOfBoy.htm Letters of a Loving Boy--Excerpted letters and diaries of boys], edited by Jarod Benjamin, 1997.'''<br />
*:A 14-year-old boy wrote a series of love letters, unsuccessfully courting an adult friend for a more intimate relationship. <br />
*'''[http://newgon.com/CPP/Mogenic-LikeGreece.htm Just Like Greece? — Gay Teen Dates Septuagenarian], an interview of “:John ”: by Brandon K. Thorp in ''Mogenic'', June 2006.'''<br />
*:A 22-year-old man talks about the 67-year-old man he met at the museum where they were both volunteering when he was 13. A friendship emerged based on unusually common interests for such a pair. The relationship evolved into mentoring and eventually romance, which became sexual two years later. They remained occassionally intimate for five years while the teenager also began to explore relationships with his age peers. Looking back on the man’s death when he was 20, he says, “He enhanced the quality of my youth, and his influence will likely enhance the quality of my entire adult life. And I enhanced his old age. We both got something out of it.” <br />
*'''[http://newgon.com/CPP/Aaron/index.htm Aaron], on his website'''<br />
*:A 15-year-old boy talks about his adult lover on his website. <br />
*'''[http://www.nambla.org/boys.htm Boys Speak Out on Man/Boy Love], NAMBLA, 1981.'''<br />
*:NAMBLA published a book with first-person accounts of 29 boys about their relationships with older men. Titles include ''The Best Thing That Ever Happened to Me'' by Greg, 16, ''It Shouldn’t Be a Crime to Make Love'' by Bryan, 12, ''If It Wasn’t for Mark I’d Probably Be Dead Today'' by Carl, 14, ''I Need My Lovers'' by Tyrone, 16, and ''It Was Me Who Started It'' by Frank, 15. <br />
*'''The perspective of a loving boy in [http://newgon.com/CPP/Benjamin-BoysAndBoylovers.htm On Boys and Boylovers] by Jarod Benjamin, 1997.'''<br />
*:Jarod Benjamin’s 1997 study of male-male pedophilia includes a section that reports on pedophile relationships from the point of view of boys in them. Reference is also made to 620 quotes of boys in Edward Brongersma’s [http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1557410038 Loving Boys].<br />
*'''[http://www.thinkandask.com/2006/042106-john.html Baseball, Boys, One Man on Illegal Love]'''<br />
*:A boy happily participates in a sexual and emotional relationship with an older man beginning at age 12. "Jesse is less than half John's age and turned 15-years-old in April, but the boy is not his son. Jesse "is my lover," John said, "but the feelings are mutual, this is a consensual relationship." John met Jesse (not his real name) when the boy was homeless three years ago. [...] In Jesse's own words, "John knows me, he's here inside my head already, I mean all along. He is my dad, boyfriend, best friend, brother, all in one. He's great," he grins as he chats with a friend on the office computer. [...] "I brought it up and told him how I felt and offered to take care of him. That is when he said he was in love with me and never wanted to leave," John said."<br />
*'''[http://www.petertatchell.net/age%20of%20consent/14%20gay%20boyfriend.htm Lee]'''<br />
*:Gay sex at 8 / various illegal / all consenting "Lee is 14. He's been having sex with boys since the age of eight, and with men since he was 12. Lee has a serious problem. He wants a steady relationship and has been going out recently with a guy in his mid-twenties, who he met at the hairdressers. But in the eyes of the law, Lee's partner is a paedophile and Lee is a victim of child abuse. That's not, however, the way Lee sees it: "I want to have a boyfriend. It's my choice. No one's abusing me. Why should we be treated like criminals?". This is a live issue for Lee because he prefers relationships with older guys. "I don't get on with people my own age", says Lee. "They're too immature. I like men in their 20s or early 30s. They are more experienced and serious. With them, you can get into a closer relationship than with a teenager"."<br />
*'''[http://danpedo.sexualpolitik.se/english/davidgb.php#1 David]'''<br />
*:Gay sex at 13 with a man in his mid-30s. "[O]ne day he started telling me about all the boys he'd had, and.., we finally ended up in the next room. We had a good time. I actually thought it was a little funny; at one point I even started to laugh. I don't know why -- I just had this weird need to laugh. [...] It was all so new. It was exciting. [...] (Interviewer: It [your relationship] all sounds very rosy...) Yes, it's really, really great."<br />
*'''[http://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/vigilance-vital-to-keeping-vile-paedophiles-at-bay-57221.html Unnamed 13/14-year-old boy]'''<br />
*:Claims that he consented, but others saw it very differently! [username: as@df.com, p/w: asdf] "The young lad in question, who was 13 when his contact with these paedophiles began, claims that the sexual relationships he had with them were all consensual. In other words, he is stating that he was not raped, and that, to his mind at least, there was no abuse."<br />
*'''[http://www.logicalreality.com/openbb/read.php?TID=1785&page=4 Pat Kelly]'''<br />
*:Aged 5, he helped a boy, 17, masturbate; was grateful for his invitation (Forum down. Pat was the webmaster behind the rational humanist website LogicalReality.com and the associated forums. He claims to have enjoyed hiding in a garage and masturbating the other boy, much like a schoolboy would enjoy being allowed into the staffroom - the world of adults, with which he was so fascinated).<br />
*'''[http://www.martijn.org/info/OK41_EN_1.html Andre and Dennis]'''<br />
*:Educationalist on his relationship with a primary schoolboy. ". Actually, it really lasted quite a while before the sexual side of our relationship started to take shape; I did not dare begin with this so soon. André does feel a bit guilty towards Dennis' mother that he never brought up the sexuality. He asks himself if she may not have figured out after all, because every now and then she has made remarks that could point to that. She does know that Dennis and André have a very physical contact with each other and kiss each other. Basicly, he would like to talk about it, but, understandably, this is not easy. On being asked, Dennis had a clear opinion: 'She does not need to know!'"<br />
*'''"[http://www.martijn.org/page.php?id=1171983 11-year-old faggot]"'''<br />
*:Talks to NAMbLA. Boys speak out. Order: Nambla, P. O. Box 174, Midtown Sta. New York, NY10018 "My first statement is that I want to dispel the image that a child is an ''innocent little puppy dog''. Children have plenty of knowledge about life, the universe and everything. But adults tend not to listen to their children. This ''innocent puppy'' syndrome represses the child's social, sexual, political, economical, and emotional desires. Children are not taken seriously and are expected to conform to a society in which they can't question its validity. This has got to stop! [...] A child is a sexual being. Therefore, children should have the right to explore any aspect of sexuality they desire to engage in. Why do parents, politicians, and police (the 3 p's) feed guilt into children that are sexually active? [...] Many people have been destroyed because of intergenerational relationships, people who could offer the world a lot if they had just not been persecuted for being different. Burning witches is a pastime which is just regaining popularity in the States."<br />
*'''[http://www.p-loog.info/English/interview_3_b/johnny.htm Johnny]'''<br />
*:Maternally approved Gay sex at 12 "(Interviewer: What are the negative aspects of your contact with Ferdinand?) Tss ... There aren't any. [...except] to explain that to my family, or to keep his orientation hidden from them."<br />
*'''[http://www.p-loog.info/English/interview_3_b/peter.htm Peter]'''<br />
*:Happy with pedophile contacts from an early age (around ten) "(Interviewer: What are the negative aspects of your contact with Ferdinand?) I don't have any."<br />
*'''[http://www.p-loog.info/English/interview_3_b/stephan.htm Stephan]'''<br />
*:Descriptive account of yet another acceptable relationship, beginning at age 11. "Ferdinand really picked me up in a terrific way. I have learned lots from him, I've had many experiences and I've done lots of things with Ferdinand. I have learned something about human nature from Ferdinand. And other important things in society, responsibility, how to go about with money. I still don't do that very well, you know, it just didn't stick with me. But, you know, that sort of thing. The important things in life. Before Ferdinand I didn't know about any of these things and through him I have discovered them. Also, I always say, "I didn't have a childhood until I met Ferdinand. Then I received my childhood." And that is really how it was because before that I had so many problems. [...] (Interviewer: What are the negative aspects of your contact with Ferdinand?) Not one! That is very easy to say. Not one."<br />
*'''[http://web.archive.org/web/20040823204921/http://www.logicalreality.com/openbb/read.php?TID=164 Pluto]'''<br />
*:Emotional need for sex with a boy, at 56, after enjoying the reverse long ago. Pluto's early childhood experience involved showering with a grown man, and enjoying sexual contact. At the time of the act, it would have most certainly been disapproved of, but there was no moral panic in place to rob him of his self-worth. "Yes, I did have sex with an adult when I was very young--10, 11, 12 years old--and I treasure and cherish the memories... [...] I was not hurt in any way by it. i only wish there had been more times when he fooled around with me."<br />
*'''[http://www.ipce.info/host/sandfort_87/Appendix.htm Thijs and Joop]''' (in [[Theo Sandfort]]'s ''Boys on their contacts with men'')<br />
*:Befriended by a boylover at nine, and enjoying sex "(Interviewer: What do you find the unpleasant aspects of sex with Joop?) There aren't any. I don't know of any, at least. [...] (Interviewer: Can you say who starts it, when you have sex?) Either of us. Sometimes me, yeah, mostly me. But he, too, real often. [...] (Interviewer: What do you think your mother would feel about your having sex with Joop?) I guess she'd think it was dirty. She'd think a man doing that with a child wasn't normal, that you just shouldn't do it. That's what she'd say. (Interviewer: And how do you feel about her thinking that way?) Rotten stupid! Although I wouldn't tell her it was rotten stupid. I mean, what business is it of hers? It's my business what I do. [...] (Interviewer: How do you feel about your having sex with Joop?) It's just really nice. (Interviewer: It's no problem for you?) It's just like a man going to bed with a woman--I think it's exactly the same: nice. And the feelings and so on they have, I have too."<br />
*'''[http://www.freewebtown.com/newsstand/archive/0316.html Unnamed Indian Boy]'''<br />
*:Newspaper article about M8 + M19 sex and the victim syndrome "Once I was about 15, I grew familiar with terms like paedophilia and child abuse and started to realise what I had been through. This too had a downside. I found myself in 'the victim syndrome'. I started using this incident as an excuse to endear myself to people and constantly looked at myself as victimised in relationships and emotional circumstances. This persists even today but I try to rid myself of this misery."<br />
*'''[http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showpost.php?p=3730495&postcount=250 Sateryn]'''<br />
*:Got a 'kick' out of illegal sex play with adults, at five, but disliked the following investigation "you know the most traumatic part about being molested as a child? sitting in a room with your parents and a therapist staring at you, forcing you to take naked cloth dolls and use them to put on a puppet show to show the adults what happened to you. the physical act of it? the molestation itself? hell, it was interesting... i was 5, it was something new, and i lucked out in that it wasn't violent, just people getting their rocks off - and quite frankly i got a kick out of it, at the time."<br />
*'''[http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?p=3924233#post3924233 IIDB]'''<br />
*:Another member comments about their indifference, and expands later on. "I remember one incident when I was 9 or so and my uncles were 20 and 21. They brought me and a cousin who's about my age to their room and we engaged in oral sex. It was a one-time thing, but I didn't repress the memory, felt ashamed by it, or otherwise damaged by it. We didn't talk about it though, and it doesn't come to mind often. Is that counted as abuse? I had no strong feelings about it then or now. [...] I don't claim that it didn't affect me then, but it affected me in the way sexual activities affect us at that age - that of guilt of doing something I was taught is wrong or shameful. It's the same feeling I got then after masturbation and sexual experimentation with my friends, male and female."<br />
*'''[https://www.boychat.org/messages/967788.htm Hangtwenty]'''<br />
*:1950s boylove with an oversexed 12-year-old. "....The most intense affair happened between 1956 and 1958.... The boy, who was 12 when it started, not only told me that I was his 'best friend', but that I was his 'only friend'...! ....Since we both lived with our parents then, and both lived in the same apartment house, we were together alot... His intensity to be sexual with me was much stronger than mine was for him..!"<br />
*'''[http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,,1589948,00.html Prominent British men on fagging in their public schools]'''<br />
*:Article by the Guardian<br />
*'''[http://www.inquisition21.com/article~view~69~page_num~2.html Gerald]'''<br />
*:Convicted for loving sex with teenage boys, after they made unfortunate spousal choices.<br />
*'''[http://www.martijn.org/info/2000_002_EN.html Dirk Tieleman]'''<br />
*:A journalist claims that a slightly coercive relationship worked to his own benefit. "When I was thirteen, a boy of seventeen sexually used me for a period of time with slight coercion, but I never really felt bad about that. He jacked me off and forced me to jack him off, and at first I felt uncomfortable about that, but after a few times I began to enjoy it myself and the aspect of coercion trailed off. Off course, being a thirteen-year-old boy, I found it curious that I was doing such things with another boy, but I realize now that this first sexual experience has helped me approach girls - to whom I was far more attracted - confidently and without qualms later on. That first sexual experience with a boy was, to me, the perfect introduction to sexuality. [...] In the past years, since the Dutoux scandal, I've been hearing people say all the time that any form of sex with children would automatically lead to great disturbances and 'damage the innocent child's soul beyond repair', but I feel confident in stating with absolute certainty that I haven't suffered the least bit of damage from my first sexual experiences with that older boy - not as a child, and not now. On the contrary: I have always had a very normal and healthy sex life, perhaps even because of that first experience."<br />
*'''[http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/s_553687.html Kevin B. Johnson's Boyfriend]'''<br />
*:"The second boy [15/16?] described a sexual relationship with Johnson that began when the youth was a freshman in 2004 and continued until last month. He told police, "I am not a victim. I was a willing participant," according to the affidavit."<br />
*'''[http://www.ipce.info/booksreborn/martinson/infant/InfantAndChildSexuality.html Floyd Martinson in his book "Infant and Child Sexuality"]'''<br />
*:Martinson quotes another's experience: "My first homosexual experience came at the age of five or six, when I would play with this boy who was at that time about sixteen. He would ask me if I wanted to go into his house for something to eat, like some cookies or something. Of course I would go. Next he would ask me if I would go into the bedroom with him. Upon entering the bedroom, he would undress and ask me to do the same. I would, probably out of fright. I distinctly remember his body being very hairy, so perhaps I underestimated his age. Anyway, after undressing, he would tell me to bend over and then he would insert his erect penis into my anal region and start thrusting back and forth. He would then stimulate my penis and want me to do the same to him. We also masturbated each other, with him reaching orgasm and myself only being stimulated. I also spent some time in oral-genital contact. I did find the whole experience quite pleasing and continued to engage in these activities for a week or two. Then, and I don't recall why, we suddenly stopped doing it completely." <br />
*'''[http://home.wanadoo.nl/ipce/library_two/rind/rind_gay_boys_app.htm Bruce Rind, quoting accounts from Savin-Williams (1997).]'''<br />
*:[B: 13, M: 22] "Subject and adult brother often massaged each other. "This time, however, I got a little hard and then he noted I had grown so much since he last saw me naked. He asked me jokingly if he could suck my dick. I said 'yes' so we got off on each other. He did me and then I did him. He came all over me but I did not. This lasted a month until he headed back to work. I do miss him as a friend and a brother. Was nothing romantic." Subject added, "I liked it, ... felt good. I wanted to do it again and again. I already knew my brother was gay and that I was attracted to men so this did not prove or disprove that I was gay."<br />
*:[B: 15, M: 27] "[It was with] the mailman, honest to God! On and off for two years. The first time was when I came to the door to get a special delivery package in my sheer designer underwear, from American Male. I was changing to go back to school. He sprouted a boner, I got hard, he grabbed mine, I grabbed his, and we were off and running. Every day I'd come home for lunch; my mother worked. I had to be quick so he'd not get docked for late deliveries. He had a real thing for redheads like me. He was very forward, connected with me, and told me how hot I was. Talked about our backgrounds. It ended when he suddenly got transferred and contact became difficult. We visited each other and had sex, but it was hard and we agreed mutually because of the distance that it was better that we be friends and not lovers" (p. 172).<br />
*:[B: 12, M: 22] It lasted 9 months with his science teacher. "It developed over time and was great. We became friends and I invited him over once when my parents weren't home. I practically had to force sex on him because he was afraid about losing his job. Ended when I went away for the summer and he wasn't a teacher at my school no more" (p. 163). " <br />
*:[B: 12, M: 35] The man was a family friend; the sex was mutually initiated, oral, off and on for 10 years (a couple of times per month), and "physically great." It confused the subject that the man was married, yet was willing to have sex with him. "Eventually I fell in love with him; knew I was gay but did not broadcast this; I was curious because of the age difference. Mutual oral sex happened after he fondled me; it was the first orgasm I ever had." <br />
*:[B: 13, M: 38] "Family friend. I initiated on a camping trip; we were in same tent at state park; oral sex to orgasm for both of us; several times during the night; incredibly erotic, tremendous release, very pleasurable. Not real close; didn't enjoy kissing. Afterwards scary because I enjoyed it so much. Not wanting to be near him on the trip because afraid others would notice. Once per month for the next 4 years that I initiated; never talked about it; sex was all it was. Wished I was straight so the attractions would go away, because the sexual gratification was so strong." <br />
*:[B: 14, M: 26] "It was with a stranger; he initiated it; it involved oral and mutual masturbation, we did it 10 more times. I was excited, was loved and in love, got affection, but was not prepared for sex. It was not so l much that I wanted his affection; I was attracted to him. This relationship lasted a week then three months later we met again and we were sexual."<br />
<br />
*'''[[Bruce Rind]] - "The Problem with Consensus Morality", Archives of Sexual Behavior, Vol. 31, No. 6, December 2002'''<br />
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::"These are based on a sampling of interviews I recently conducted on individuals who learned about me from publicity surrounding my publications and contacted me to tell their stories. These cases, involving five men who had sex as boys around age 10 with men, dispute Schmidt’s claim that there can never be sexual consensus between prepubescents and adults. The cases are cross-national, coming from Australia, Canada, England, France, and the United States. The first three men are homosexual and the last two are heterosexual. All names have been altered to preserve confidentiality.<br />
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:*Case 1. Nathan, a 45-year-old Brit, began being intensely curious about adult male genitalia when he was 8. At this age, in attempt to satisfy this curiosity, he surreptitiously went into the room of his household’s sleeping man servant and fondled him under his bed covers. By age 10, his curiosity had turned into sexual arousal. He unsuccessfully tried to solicit sex from men in locker rooms. At age 11, he met a neighbor man, whom he worked on over many visits in attempt to initiate sex. Eventually, he succeeded. In his many repeats with the man over the next 2 years, Nathan reported that hewas the "conductor" - he controlled the sexual interactions. While still a boy, he had several other sexual relations with men, all of which he viewed as very positive. He thinks the sex helped his sexual self-confidence: as he matured, he knew exactly what he wanted in sex, while his peers were still searching.<br />
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:*Case 2. James, a 23-year-old Canadian, first felt sexually aroused by other males at age 6 and had his first sex at 8 with a peer. At 11, he befriended a neighbor man, towhom he gave many signals, hoping for sex to occur. Eventually, it did, which made him feel proud and closer to the man. Over the next 3 years, he visited the man regularly, often secretly to avoid the possibility of his parents ending the relationship. He saw the relationship as very positive and said it built his personality (e.g., greater self-confidence) and influenced many of his tastes (e.g., an appreciation for literature).<br />
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:*Case 3. Daniel, a 33-year-old Frenchman, was physically affectionate with his father starting at age 6. By 8, he became sexually attracted to him. At 10, he initiated sexual fondling with him, which the father accepted. In the sexual relationship, which lasted 4 years, Daniel always initiated the sex. In retrospect, he cherished the intimacy and described the relationship as "beautiful, pure, security, confidence, and love." He said it built his sexual self-confidence.<br />
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:*Case 4. At age 8, Dennis, a 21-year-old American, initiated sexual contact with a man friendly with his family, whom he suspected of being involved with his older brother. Sex occurred between them for the next 2 years. He said he usually initiated the encounters because he was always ready for sex. He described the relationship as the most positive he has ever had. He saw himself as having the upper hand, because he felt he had control over the man, who went to great lengths to fulfill his wishes. He felt that his adolescent and adult sexual relations went more smoothly because of the competence he got from these early experiences. Asked how a heterosexual male could have enjoyed homosexual relations, he answered that he was attracted to sex back then, not females or males per se.<br />
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:*Case 5. John, a 22-year-old Australian, first realized his sexual arousal to girls at age 8. By 9, he felt lonely and was bullied by older boys, when he met a male neighbor in his late teens. They quickly became friends, and John spent a lot of time at his house. The young man eventually initiated masturbatory sex with him. John was at first apprehensive that otherswould find out, but became comfortable with the sex once he felt safe from this concern. The relationship lasted 3 years. He was proud to be seen with the older male, saw him as his protector, and saw the intimacy they had as the highlight of his life. Asked if the relationship was consenting, he said yes, because he wanted it, the young man wanted it, he loved the young man, so consent meant, "Yes, do it.""<br />
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*'''[http://www.ipce.info/ipceweb/Library/01oct01c_my_father.htm My Father and I]'''<br />
*:Positive man-boy incest is interrupted by a mother. "My father molested me from the time I was two till I was 15. We would lie naked and he would play with my penis. Then he would give me oral sex. When I was old enough I then started sucking him too. He never hurt me or tried to have anal sex with me, even though I wanted him to. I had anal sex with him, a few times, once my father decided my penis was big enough. My father and I would plan things around the times where we could meet and make each other feel good. My mother found out and two months ago my father was sent to prison. What my father did to me was not rape, at all. He never hurt me. In fact, I looked forward to spending the time with him but my mother and the police don't seem to listen."<br />
*'''[http://www.ipce.info/ipceweb/Library/00dec18c_a_professor_speaks.htm William Percy]'''<br />
*:Article "UMASS professor advocates pederasty" William Armstrong Percy III says that when he was 14, he seduced a male soldier while traveling on a train. "I never got enough sex with an older man. I don't see that I was harmed at all, except being deprived of not having more," said Percy. "I was already the aggressor."<br />
*'''[http://www.ipce.info/library_3/files/tindall.htm The male adolescent involved with a pederast becomes an adult]'''<br />
*:Several accounts. "During his 11th year he began spending his spare time around a service station, where he became acquainted with a master mechanic who was then in his early 40s, married, and childless. [...] On a fishing trip, during a break on an island, they began talking about sex, which led to Denver's being fellated by the mechanic and to masturbation of the mechanic by Denver. For the next 5 years mutual fellatio occurred two or three times per week. Sexual activity with the mechanic ceased at about age 19, but a close relationship continued to exist until the mechanic's death. Denver is now 44 years of age. [...] Denver remarried and has been a valued mechanic with the same company for 20 years. He has a supervisory position and believes that his relationship with his mechanic friend helped him reach his goals. He says he would have approved a similar relationship for either of his sons, had he become aware of such a situation. He reports no desire to have sex with males since approximately age 20."<br />
*'''[http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/10/19/national/main2104978.shtml Mark Foley]'''<br />
*:Former American Republican, @13y/o. "The Rev. Anthony Mercieca, 72, described several encounters that he said Foley might perceive as sexually inappropriate, the Sarasota Herald-Tribune reported. They include massaging Foley while the boy was naked, skinny-dipping together at a secluded lake in Lake Worth and being nude in the same room on overnight trips. "Once maybe I touched him or so ... but I didn't, it's not something you call rape or penetration or anything like that," Mercieca told West Palm Beach station WPTV in a phone interview. "He seemed to like it, you know? So it was sort of more like a spontaneous thing". Mercieca said."<br />
*'''[http://richarddawkins.net/article,118,Religionrsquos-Real-Child-Abuse,Richard-Dawkins Richard Dawkins]'''<br />
*:From an article of his, that despite not being exactly sex - positive, goes as far as is 'acceptable' in playing down the impact of nonviolent, situational fondling of children by priests, whilst attacking the religious dogmas that sometimes cause so much shame after such encounters. "Being fondled by the Latin master in the Squash Court was a disagreeable sensation for a nine-year-old, a mixture of embarrassment and skin-crawling revulsion, but it was certainly not in the same league as being led to believe that I, or someone I knew, might go to everlasting fire. As soon as I could wriggle off his knee, I ran to tell my friends and we had a good laugh, our fellowship enhanced by the shared experience of the same sad pedophile. I do not believe that I, or they, suffered lasting, or even temporary damage from this disagreeable physical abuse of power. Given the Latin Master’s eventual suicide, maybe the damage was all on his side."<br />
*'''[http://www.ipce.info/ipceweb/Statements/factoids.htm Heinz Kohut]'''<br />
*:Strozier, quoting the Psychologist on his relationship as a child: "I had this private tutor, who was a very important person in my life. He would take me to museums and swimming and concerts and we had endless intellectual conversations and played complicated intellectual games and played chess together" They also did sexual things together, which they both enjoyed, but Kohut felt the sex was more or less incidental. The important thing for him was the relationship. He said "I was an only child. So it was in some way psychologically life-saving for me. I was very fond of this fellow." Heinz was about 10 or 11 at the time. He describes his years with his tutor as being perhaps the happiest ones in his life."<br />
*'''[http://news.scotsman.com/farrightineurope/Fortuyn-favoured-depraved.2326187.jp Pim Fortuyn]'''<br />
*:Populist, anti - immigration, homosexual Politician from the Netherlands (deceased): "Fortuyn's first experience occurred when he was five years old. "The Dutch soldier asks if I want to see his tent. That's what I want. I like it and they all are sleeping on the ground in a sleeping-bag. I ask if it is hard and cold to sleep on the ground. Oh no, come here. Together we crawl in his sleeping-bag. The soldier asks my name and I ask his name. “He is called Arie and he asks if I like that name. Yes, I think that's a nice name and I lie beside him, nice and warm." Fortuyn then described a close sexual encounter with the soldier before leaving his sleeping-bag "to go and play outside." He added: "Can I come back tomorrow? Yes, tomorrow I may come back, says Arie." A few pages later, he describes another incident: "I went to the park for a walk, it was very silent and the sun was shining. On the bench sat a young fellow. I stood still, curious." Fortuyn relates another sexual encounter - this time in explicit detail. He concludes: "I was frightened and ran away to my home, to my mother. Excited, I ran into the room. My mother looked at me searchingly and asked what had happened. Nothing, of course. Watch out, little man, was the only thing she said. A glass of lemonade made me calm down. Yes, that was exciting." Most telling is his appraisal of these memories. "In chapter 1 about the 1950s, I wrote about my early sexual experiences, experiences that I see as an enrichment. Today, an experience like that in the park could easily lead to a complaint by parents to the police because of paedophilia, and the relevant young man would be in trouble. But why? "He didn't do me any harm. On the contrary, he showed me something that was incomprehensibly exciting and I could feel and touch it, but today we are ready to interfere with complete teams of professionals. By interfering in such an irritating and grown-up way in the world of children, we make an enormous problem of something that for a child is no problem at all and is only exciting.""<br />
*'''[http://www.mwillett.org/Debate/viewtopic.php?p=121929#121929 Todd Nickerson]'''<br />
*:A self-declared pedophile writes: "I did have a single sexual encounter with an adult when I was a child, though I would hardly describe it as traumatic or even unpleasant. My memory of being touched—and that’s all it amounted to—is that it was, at most, a little confusing since I didn’t really understand what was taking place. Not that I really minded, though. In fact, after it occurred, I went immediately to a relative and bragged to her about it."<br />
*'''[http://www.boylover.net/ Boylover.net member on experiences as an 11-year-old boy]'''<br />
*:"We piled back into the limo and it drove us to Toronto where we went to a stage play. I don’t remember what we saw because my head was still spinning about the fact that this attractive man, one who could have any female he wanted, was in love with me and was doing all this to make this night as special as he could. After the play, we headed for home. Limo drivers must have orders to ignore whatever they see going on in the back because ours got quite an eyeful. He was treated to the sight of an eleven-year-old boy and a nineteen-year-old man acting like boyfriends. We kissed, we petted, and we worked each other into an erotic frenzy, a frenzy for which there could only be one consummation."<br />
*'''[http://www.boylover.net/ Boylover.net member on intercourse]'''<br />
*:"I was 10 and it was with an Adult Friend. I did not, nor do I now think I was abused. (well not by my AF anyway) I liked it. We only ever did the things I wanted to do."<br />
*'''[http://www.helping-people.info/Treatment/sot/offender.htm#3-6a_narrative_force Frans Gieles in an article of his]'''<br />
*:"Craisatie (1998, among others page 117) describes a client who, as a child, had frequented a group, which in the book was called 'a child pornography ring'. As a child, he never had seen this as being abuse. Contrarily, he said that he'd gotten a lot of love, comradeship and care, which he did not get at home. Craisatie describes it as an example of successful treatment that his client ultimately abandoned his feeling of being loved and changed it into the feeling of being abused although this occurred only gradually and very late in the treatment process [...] Ehrenreich (2004) describes a man who for nineteen years was held in a closed clinic. He denied his offense, thus refused to speak about it, thus he did not cooperate, thus year after year his stay was renewed. Then, he changed tack: he 'acknowledged' his offense, he spoke about it, he did exactly what the therapists ordered, and said that he benefited from their treatment. This was the only way to be released. The man has been released. Then it turned out that is accusers had lied about everything they had said, under high pressure of the police: there never had been an offense."<br />
*'''Boy in Dan Tsang (1981)''', "The age taboo". London: Gay Men's Press. <br />
*:"It's often not the man who goes out to seduce the boy, but the other way round. In my first experience, I did the seducing. . . . It is mostly the boys who go out in search of sexual satisfaction from men..."<br />
*'''[http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=bta8oOuDtoI (Man?) on YouTube]'''<br />
*:An extremely detailed account that was hindered by a voice concealer. Person had a positive relationship as youngster, and has met pedophiles.<br />
*'''[http://www.sunstar.com.ph/static/net/2007/10/19/orphans.admit.clown.fondled.them.html Carlock the Clown]'''<br />
*:Some young children plead with authorities not to press charges against a clown who played with them sexually. "Surprisingly though, when asked by American embassy officials if they wanted their "Kuya Paul" charged in court for abusing them, all the three kids pleaded with the officials not to file a case against Carlock. "Please don't file a case against Kuya Paul. He is a good man, he is a good man," the kids said. "The kids told me that they loved the man so much because he was so good to them. They said they treated the man as their father. Paul gave them candies, lollipops," Karasuyama said." The clown was eventually [http://illinoishomepage.net/content/fulltext/?cid=9747 tasered and killed by police].<br />
*'''[http://terrygeorge.co.uk/home/?topic=440 Terry George on "phone sex" with Michael Jackson]'''<br />
*:According to George, Michael Jackson engaged him in "phone sex" at the age of 13: "I do not feel like a victim and I never did feel like a victim," he said. See [http://terrygeorge.co.uk/home/?folder=13 directory] for other articles.<br />
*'''[http://www.freetimes.com/stories/13/43/confessions-of-a-proud-pedophile-phillip-distasio-says-getting-caught-was-all-part-of-his-plan Phillip Distasio]'''<br />
*:Imprisoned for life; a proud pedophile activist who had a relationship with an older man at 12. "Distasio describes himself as a second-generation pedophile: at the age of 12, he began a relationship with an older man, a swimming instructor named Charlie, at a boys' club in Massachusetts. He says he's known about his proclivity since age 9. "To me," he says, “it is as valid as any other sexual orientation.""<br />
*'''[http://www.broadbandreports.com/shownews/Cleaning-Up-Tor-82218 "Jay78" commenting on broadbandreports.com]'''<br />
*:"Also, when I was about 6 years of age I was sexually "used" without coercion by an adult family member in ways that today would have put that person in prison. I almost forgot about that seemingly anecdotal incident and memory until I was reminded of it by the current hysteria over that kind of thing. Compared with the other things I experienced, that was not even worth thinking of, I would never hurt that person who did that and have a good relationship with that person today."<br />
*'''[http://www.ipce.info/library_3/files/rivas_howard_miller.htm "Howard Miller" as told to Titus Rivas, Ipce]'''<br />
*:"We would zip our sleeping bags together and he would tickle and massage me all over. He would tell me dirty jokes while helping me with my homework and get me aroused. Then we would masturbate together. He satisfied me and then himself or we satisfied ourselves while watching each other. I thought that he was fascinating to look at and occasionally touch but not to satisfy. [...] I have only good feelings about what happened but am sad that most people will never be able to understand that. I also wish that we didn't have to worry about each other getting into trouble with the society over what happened. [...] Because I had such a positive experience as a child I believe that I can say with absolute certainty that sometimes such relationships can be very positive. Notice I don't say that they always will be, but heck more than 50% of marriages end in divorce. Most real child abuse occurs in families. Should then marriage be outlawed?"<br />
*'''[http://www.boylover.net/info/scrapbook/kolya_03.html Loren Robb and Kolya - Bulletin]'''<br />
*:A man tells of his loving relationship with a young native Arctic boy who he brought up in New Zealand.<br />
*'''[http://youfoundme.org/mylife.html My Life - Youfoundme.org]'''<br />
*:A very long testimony written by a person known to a contact of Newgon.com. "It was the end of that summer that I learned what real heartache felt like. Sex was never the dominating factor in my relationship with James. I wanted to fool around a lot more than he did but I just liked being with him. He knew so much about construction and getting things to work that it was like being at school all the time except it was fun. Like any kid who hears his dad tell the same joke all the time I got tired of hearing "plumbings easy boy, just remember shit flows down hill". What I really didn't want to hear was the day James told me we couldn't do the sex thing anymore. I don't recall his exact words but something to the effect "this just isn't right or this isn't normal". I was crushed. It (our friendship) seemed so normal and great to me that I didn't understand why he felt that way. My suffering didn't come from the hands of an abuser, my suffer came from the words of a man who feared for my wellbeing. I kept telling him I was okay with things and nothing needed to change. Change did come and even my begging wouldn't get him to monkey around with me. It happened once or twice after the big talk but it was never the same."<br />
*'''[http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2372/is_4_41/ai_n9488757/pg_1 Jessica L. Stanley (Researcher)]'''<br />
*:"One man, at 14 years old, researched the location of gay bars and met a man with whom he had a few sexual encounters and with whom he has maintained a friendship for nearly 20 years."<br />
*'''[http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2372/is_3_39/ai_94130312 Curtis Dolezal (Researcher)]'''<br />
*:"participant was 10 when he had sexual contact on 20 occasions over 3 months with a 25-year-old male neighbor. The events involved mutual masturbation and oral sex. The participant did not feel coerced or hurt and did not feel it was sexual abuse "because I seduced the neighbor."<br />
*'''[[Paedophilia: The radical case|O'Carroll 1980, p.83-84]]'''<br />
*:"As a boy he became sexually mature at age twelve-and-a-half. "It was like the world was beginning to make sense, to take on purpose and meaning. [...] I regard my meeting with Mr. S., then aged twenty-six, as a critical turning point in my love life. Until then, sex was fun, felt good and left me only moderately guilty. Once I approached Mr.S. (Yes, I approached him) with my thirteen-year-old impatience for intimacy, he told no one, responded positively to my shaky advances (didn't even laught at me!) and simply embraced me. [...] Here was a masculine adult man (happily married even), who was interested in doing with me what I was already finding exciting with my boy-friends. And through this relationship a new dimension was added to my experience which has not occurred to me before - tenderness, affection and love. (...) This affection was, in its way, just as satisfying as the ecstatic orgasms that punctuated our days and nights together. I regard this man, this relationship as a turning point because I was never the same after knowing him for two years - I was more in tune with myself after that...".<br />
*'''[[Sex met kinderen]], pages 75-76. (Untranslated - [[Frits Bernard]])'''<br />
*:A 25 year old man tells of a relationship struck up with a gay man when he was eight. They started having sex when he was ten, something that he enjoyed. The relationship lasts until he is 18.<br />
*'''"En me vriendje houdt van mij: 23 verhalen uit het leven gegrepen", edited by Ben Füss and Gorrit Goslinga (Eindhoven: Stichting Uitgeverij NVSH, 1981)'''<br />
*:"We had just moved and that was how I met a nice man, as a 13-year-old. We talked a lot, in his room. He was very interested in art and possessed a lot of books with pictures of works of art and sculptry. I had little interest for this but did not want to hurt Dick's feelings. Only the pictures that showed nudity captured my interest. I also tried to hide this. [...]" This interest was noticed by Dick and it led to Dick briefly caressing the boy's genitals. Dick was very cautious and tried to end it immediately. The boy was very eager to have additional sexual experiences and finally persuaded Dick to allow him a visit. One thing led to another and the end result was a tender sexual relationship that lasted for about six years. After the war he re-established a life-long friendship with Dick, though without the sexual aspect. He was there when Dick died at age 83. He adds: "The value of this relationship is something I continue to cherish till this very day."<br />
*'''[http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/15/science/15gajdusek.html "D. Carleton Gajdusek, Who Won Nobel for Work on Brain Disease, Is Dead at 85"]'''<br />
*:"D. Carleton Gajdusek, a virologist who won the 1976 Nobel Prize in medicine for his work on the mysterious epidemics now known as prion diseases, died last week in Tromso, Norway. [...] In later life, Dr. Gajdusek became notorious when he was charged with molesting the many young boys he had adopted in New Guinea and Micronesia and brought to live with him in Maryland. He pleaded guilty to one charge, served a year in prison and left the United States in 1998, dividing his time between Paris, Amsterdam and Tromso. [...] He also remained unrepentant about the sexual relationships with his adopted sons, Dr. Klitzman said. He considered American law prudish and pointed out that sex with young men was normal in the cultures he studied and in the classic Greek societies at the foundation of Western civilization. His legal assistant, Dorrie Runman, who was previously married to one of his sons, John Runman, said Dr. Gajdusek’s survivors included “his adopted sons and daughters, including Yavine Borimaand Jesse Mororui-Gajdusek in the United States, and two nephews, Karl Lawrence Gajdusek and Mark Terry.” His children were legally adopted, Ms. Runman said. He put several through college and graduate or medical school. Some of them, now in their 50s, supported him during his legal troubles, while one sibling testified against him."<br />
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*'''[http://www.jungsforum.net/politik/messages/159581.htm Anon, in Berliner Zeitung (Translation)]'''<br />
*:"Being 52 now, I got a relationship with a man at the age of 8-9 of whom I was told later that he was a paedophile. The relationship went on until I was about 14 years old and we were lucky that it remained undiscovered and free of police enquiries. Even today, so many years later, I remember my big friend with gratitude, as he made my coming out as a gay person later on – and many other things in my life - a lot easier for me. Since then, I have met numerous people who also had [consensual] sexual relationships with adults as children and teenagers and who are not ashamed of this. It is easy to understand why such people never get in touch with abuse counseling agencies, because they really don't need such help. That's how such centres get a completely one-sided view of so-called victims of abuse.".<br />
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*'''''Paedophilia - What It Means To The Child'' by [[Frits Bernard]], printed in [http://exitinterview.biz/rarities/panfull.htm PAN 3] (pp. 15 - 17)'''<br />
**"I was about 13 when I had my first paedophile experience. [...] The man who brought me into touch with homosexuality and whom I even loved physically was, and still is, one of my dearest friends. I remember what a wonderful feeling it was when he satisfied me for the first time. I was not troubled in the least by worries over having done 'perverted things', probably because I had no idea of what such things were. [...] The only trouble I have had over this was when I first told my fiancee about it."<br />
**"When I was seven I had contact with a man who was especially nice to me. He used to take me to his attic, sit me on his lap and play with me sexually. I thought it was very nice and enjoyed it. I always looked forward to Wednesday afternoons, the days when we saw each other. This went on for a long time. Later I had many contacts with other men, but never with boys my own age. One day I went with a waiter to his house. I was very interested and excited. We had unusually satisfying sex together. I must have been about 14. Back home I was restless and went to see him the very next day on my own initiative. We had intercourse about twenty times in the following period. [...] Now, after a good life, I can see these early contacts as very positive to my development. I would not like to have missed them and I do not envy the people who never had these opportunities."<br />
**"When I was about eight years old I got to know a man in the street who thought I played very nicely. He invited me out for a bicycle ride, and later to visit his home. [...] From him I recieved love, which actually I had never known (not, I mean, in the way I know it at present from my wife). [...] Later, when I was ten or eleven, we had sex with each other, something I always enjoyed."<br />
**Several further accounts involving slightly older minors are available in the article.<br />
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*'''Zimmerman, Ann (1994). "[http://www.dallasobserver.com/1994-11-17/news/tell-mama-why-you-cry-part-i/5 'Tell Mama Why You Cry' (Part I)]," ''Dallas Observer'', November 17.'''<br />
*:"The tape of Tim's interview could not be located, but according to Black's notes, Tim had seen his father touch his sister on her private parts on several occasions. "He stated his father tickles Lima on her private parts and she likes it. When questioned further, Tim revealed his father also touches him on his private parts...at his house...Tim stated he doesn't mind his father doing this."<br />
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*'''Leahy, Terry. (1992). "Positively Experienced Man/Boy Sex: The Discourse of Seduction and the Social Construction of Masculinity," ''Journal of Sociology'', 28(1), 71-88.'''<br />
*:A study of eight people who perceived their childhood (under 16) contacts with adults positively.<br />
*:"Derek describes his first sexual encounter with a man in the following way. He is at the park at six o’clock on the swing. A man rushes towards him and begins to strip off:<br />
*::I just sat there looking. I didn’t know what to do but sort of thrilling. I looked, gawked, sort of ... I didn’t mind, I just kept on swinging on the swing. And I wasn’t scared or anything and he just come up to me and said ’Oh, how are ya?’ and I said ’Oh, not too bad’. In other words, coming on to me. And he turned around and said, ’Oh, what’s your name?’ And I’d tell him my name ’cause I wasn’t scared or anything because it was in a park and it was about six o’clock, really early, six, you know what I mean. And he just said, ’Would you like a drink?’ and I said ’No’. Then I started getting a bit nervy, nervous sort of thing. I knew, I must ... I knew in a way that he’d do something. So I just sat there, you know, and he said, ’Oh, would you like to come for a drive?’ Well I rushed him! So I just went for a drive with him and there we got off. First time, we got off ... I wanted to try it out. So I tried it. It was a really good feeling. Ever since then I kept on going.<br />
*:Here the narrative of this event begins with Derek sitting innocently on the swing. A man appears with obvious sexual intentions. Derek is instantly thrilled and takes voyeuristic pleasure in seeing him undress. He is not scared to go with the man and in fact ’rushes’ him. The sex is great and he has an orgasm. Even anal sex, though a bit uncomfortable at first, is enjoyed. All this has happened because he wanted to try it out and having done so he is eager to repeat the experience. This is typical of the discourse of male adolescent sexuality - spontaneous, adventurous, sexual pleasure is guaranteed, and casual contact is exciting. Derek presents himself as an active and initiating party. The events that take place are in reponse to his emerging self constituted sexual desire. All this works against any interpretation of Derek as a victim of homosexual seduction. Summarising his attitude to these sexual encounters on another occasion he concludes:<br />
*::I mean to say, sex is sex, you gotta, you know, well ... The way I feel, what would you do without it? It’s just something normal. Sex is just normal for everybody. Not just for me, for everybody and to do without ... I reckon it would be pretty hard to do without it so you’re just going to have to think.<br />
*:[...]<br />
*:Christopher’s interview provides a thorough discussion of these issues. At the time when he was interviewed he was in his mid thirties. His relationship with an adult gay man, George, began when he was about nine years old and lasted till he was eighteen. In a wry comment on the discourse of seduction he offered this remark:<br />
*::So I suppose then, you want to know now if I’m fucked up now sexually because of this terrible trauma of my childhood? Well - no. Umm. My main thrust - pun! - is heterosexual but ahh, I still occasionally sleep with males but when I say occasionally I mean very occasionally.<br />
*:[...]<br />
*:In particular, in discussing the various sexual activities in which he was engaged, Christopher stresses the physical pleasures of various acts and argues that his initial reservations about particular practices (oral sex, anal sex) were broken down as he received physical pleasure from these activities and came to feel that it was only fair to reciprocate."<br />
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*'''[http://dir.salon.com/story/mwt/feature/2002/07/22/coming_of_age/ Minor report] by David Tuller in Salon.com, July 22, 2002.'''<br />
**An aircraft maintenance worker describes his first experience at thirteen with a man of about 30 who had hired him to do yard work. After inviting him inside and showing him pictures of men wrestling, the man “started rubbing my crotch, and I was both nervous and really excited by it.” He went on to seek out other significantly older men. “I never felt used. I really wanted it, and except for the first time I always felt like the aggressor.” <br />
**Noted gay novelist Edmund White talks about picking up men at Chicago beaches and public restrooms from the age of 13 or 14. “I was very oversexed, absolutely driven wild by desire. ... The first one was a handsome architect, who actually had children older than me. I was absolutely fascinated by him, and I seduced him. I followed him to his car, walked right up to him and started talking to him. My mother was away and I said, ‘Come back to my apartment.’ And it was terrific.” <br />
** In an essay about sex between adolescents and adults, David Tuller relates his own desire as a 15-year-old "tormented homosexual wannabe." Upon seeing the movie Summer of '42, in which a young widow "pulls Hermie into her arms and, in her grief, into her bed," he says, "I cried while I watched, ... because I so yearned for the tender moments that Hermie found." <br />
**A gay healthcare professional in his 50s discusses how the relationship he pursued with a family friend in his early 20s helped him learn at the age of fifteen that men could care for each other. "It was clear that it certainly felt good to both of us. ... In some way it was a real lifesaver, because it made me feel that love and affection and closeness and sex would be possible in my life. ... when we were together, it was like a little oasis where we could be ourselves." <br />
** A businessman in Denver recounts his two-year relationship, from age fifteen, with his 29-year-old boss at the restaurant where he worked. "It was frightening and invigorating and I felt clumsy and awkward. But he was playful and fun and very gentle. I never felt coerced. As foreign as it was to me I was very open to it. Afterwards, I felt good, like I'd experienced something I'd wanted to for a long time." Speaking of how it affected his life at the time, he says, "I wasn't an awkward, out-of-place kid anymore. I felt appreciated for being gay, instead of being an outcast and made fun of. Suddenly I had this new self-confidence. I didn't have to hate myself for being gay." <br />
*'''[http://www.boychat.org/messages/932440.htm A long and varied career by Ambar] on BoyChat, July 2005.'''<br />
*:A man recounts his earliest sexual experiences, including with his best friend’s father at eight years old: “He became my second very, very, very best friend and so began a wonderful, loving relationship. I still adore that man :-)” <br />
*'''[http://newgon.com/CPP/HFP-072.htm Letter from John] in HFP Mailbag and [http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/13023005/ Sexual Abuse from a Victim] by John Tate, December 7, 2004.'''<br />
*:A 17-year-old reports on the anguish in his life stemming from sexual activity with his grandfather from age seven and attributes the worst aspects to society’s attitudes about it: “I think if this sort of thing was tolerated I would not have felt so fucking alienated, so hated, as a child, I would have not been an outcast.” <br />
*'''[http://www.boychat.org/messages/932397.htm count me IN !!! :))] by siao on BoyChat, July 2005. '''<br />
*:A man recounts his first experience of sex with an adult at seven years old: “suddenly fun was "in" … gosh, what was that twirling feeling which went all thru me ???” He also speaks of such encounters with many other men, saying, “NOT A SINGLE ONE EVER ABUSED ME ! I was free to say 'YES!!!!' and also knew how to say 'no' if there were ever anything I might not want.” <br />
*'''[http://www.bostonmagazine.com/articles/boy_crazy/ Boy Crazy] in Boston Magazine, May 2001'''<br />
**Famous poet Allen Ginsberg commented on the 1977 pedophilia scandal in Revere, Massachusetts, "I had sex when I was 8 with a man in the back of my grandfather’s candy store in Revere, and I turned out okay." <br />
**Best-selling Canadian author James Dubro was 14 in 1961 when he started having sex with a 22-year-old college student who remains his friend 40 years later. <br />
*'''[http://newgon.com/CPP/BC-146796.htm My Story: A story of a boy] by Elf on BoyChat, October 1998.'''<br />
*:A man in his mid-20s tells his story. When he was nine or ten years old, he responded willingly to the seduction of a 16- or 17-year-old neighbor boy. They had a passionate love affair for over a year until they were discovered and his father beat him savagely. The older boy’s family disappeared from town. This man wrote of that affair as the best thing that ever happened to him and attributed his deep problems at the time of writing to the brutal way it was torn away from him. <br />
*'''"[http://newgon.com/CPP/Spike/xaboutme.htm Spike]" on his website'''<br />
*:A 15-year-old boy writes about his adult lover: “When I was 10, I found myself a mentor, a wonderful old man that needed me as much as I needed him. … J has been the best thing that could ever have happened to me. Everything I am today I owe to J. He and Mom are both educated people who believe that I must prepare myself for adulthood by learning how to learn, how to think for myself, and how to believe in myself … Mom sees the results of my association with J, and she could not be more pleased.” <br />
*'''[http://newgon.com/CPP/Hoby-mod.htm Hoby] on his website'''<br />
*:A boy proclaims his interest in adult men and says, “You should be able to love whoever you want when you want and as long as you both happy it dont matter what anyone else thinks.” <br />
*'''''[http://newgon.com/CPP/Arlekin/complain-mod.htm My Complaints]'' by David Alejandro, December 1996, on his website.'''<br />
*:A 13-year-old boy makes an impassioned plea for sexual freedom: “I want to love and be loved by whom I want. For the last two years I have an older friend. I am not gay, I like girls. He doesn’t, but we understand each other very well. It is nobody’s business what we do or don’t do. … Stop protecting me, please!” (Note: His site history page indicated that he was 13 when he posted this page and 15½ in June 1999. The English index pages said that he lived in the “Land of the Incas.”)<br />
*'''[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voor_een_verloren_soldaat Voor Een Verloren Soldaat] (For A Lost Soldier), autobiographical novel by Rudi van Dantzig, 1986 and 1992 movie made from it'''<br />
*:Acclaimed ballet dancer and choreographer Rudi van Dantzig tells the story of his brief romance at twelve with a Canadian soldier at the end of World War II. <br />
*'''[http://newgon.com/CPP/Stefan/index.htm Stefan] on his webpage'''<br />
*:A 12-year-old in Holland says, “I will tell you about my BEST friend. He’s 28 and works at home. I love him the most in the world and he loves me. He says I’m the cutest boy in the world.” <br />
*'''[http://www.scottohara.com/obit.htm Scott O'Hara], quoted in his obituary at the Spirit of Stonewall Press Conference, New York City, June 24, 1994.'''<br />
*:The publisher of Steam magazine says, “When I was 12 and 13 years old I would have joined NAMBLA in a minute, because I knew I was gay and I wanted to go out and get laid, not just read The Gay Mystique all my life; I needed personal contact.” <br />
*'''Ik Wilde Meer! (“[http://www.martijn.org/info/Martijn/martijn02.pdf I Want More!]”) in Martijn (PDF, 6 Mb), December 1980, page 16-18, in Dutch.'''<br />
*:A married man reports on his 6-year-long relationship with a man who showed him erotic art and masturbated him. The relationship later turned platonic and the younger man was at the older’s deathbed 37 years later. <br />
*'''[http://www.boylover.net/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi/topic/10/194.html tribute to frank] by mick15 on BoyLover.net, December 7, 2005.'''<br />
*:A teenaged boy describes his loving, sexual relationship with his soccer mentor, who had recently died. <br />
*'''I want to speak out!!!!!!!! by “15 yr old boy” on BoyChat, September 2000.'''<br />
*:A 15-year-old boy writes about his adult lover: “He is the best thing that has ever happened to me. … I wish this world would just open its eyes and see that relationships like this are healthy and good for boys my age—but yes only if the boy wants the relationship.” <br />
*'''[http://newgon.com/CPP/Adam-mod.htm There is Magic Out There] by Joshua Adam on his website.'''<br />
*:A 13-year-old in the 10th grade writes about the emotional support he gets from his older friend, Angel, who is helping him overcome the hatred cast upon him by his family and school for liking other boys. Angel and Adam have never met in person and do not plan to do so. Their relationship is entirely nonsexual, although it is definitely one of love and mentorship.<br />
*'''Author [http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1588180395 Kirk Read]'''<br />
*: In his 2001 book, How I Learned to Snap, Kirk Read tells of his sexual experiences with adults starting at age 13, which he says saved his life. "Intergenerational sex saved my life", "American culture's only frame of reference for sex with minors is abuse. I don't deny that abuse occurs, but this should be addressed on a case-by-case basis. A blanket approach that criminalizes all sex between adults and minors undermines the fact that for many gay teenagers, sex with an adult can be a beautiful, life-changing experience. It was for me", "I sought out sex with older men time and time again as a teenager. I had fumbling sexual encounters with other kids as a preadolescent, but they always left me unsatisfied. None of us knew what we were doing, and our shame and fear overwhelmed any joy of discovery" (pp.57-59) [http://www.nambla.org/snap.htm Reviewed] by NAMbLA.<br />
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*'''[http://newgon.com/CPP/Shane-mod.htm Shane] on his website'''<br />
*:A 14-year-old gay boy in Australia says, “I have one really good adult friend that knows about my sexuality, … Steve has never tried anything sexual with me, although I often wish he would.” <br />
*'''[http://www.boychat.org/messages/932399.htm Under My House . Tent Sleeping . Neighbors Bedroom] by Linca on BoyChat, July 2005. '''<br />
*:A man recounts his first experiences of sex, including with an adult neighbor at 14: “[He] did with me … what he had been wanting to do with me since I was 8 years old. We are friends to this day.” <br />
*'''Two posts by hyacinth on BoyChat: [http://newgon.com/CPP/BC-663921.htm May 2002] [1] and [http://www.boychat.org/messages/932570.htm July 2005] [2]'''<br />
*:A man describes his childhood sexual experiences with adults. The first was anal sex with a benedictine monk at 14 years old: “I was't stupid, at 14 I knew my way around … He was very nice and very gentle, and I liked him alot.” [1] Next was a relationship that lasted for a year and a half with a man and his two sons. [2] <br />
*'''[http://newgon.com/CPP/Benjamin-LettersOfBoy.htm Letters of a Loving Boy--Excerpted letters and diaries of boys], edited by Jarod Benjamin, 1997.'''<br />
*:A 14-year-old boy wrote a series of love letters, unsuccessfully courting an adult friend for a more intimate relationship. <br />
*'''[http://newgon.com/CPP/Mogenic-LikeGreece.htm Just Like Greece? — Gay Teen Dates Septuagenarian], an interview of “:John ”: by Brandon K. Thorp in ''Mogenic'', June 2006.'''<br />
*:A 22-year-old man talks about the 67-year-old man he met at the museum where they were both volunteering when he was 13. A friendship emerged based on unusually common interests for such a pair. The relationship evolved into mentoring and eventually romance, which became sexual two years later. They remained occassionally intimate for five years while the teenager also began to explore relationships with his age peers. Looking back on the man’s death when he was 20, he says, “He enhanced the quality of my youth, and his influence will likely enhance the quality of my entire adult life. And I enhanced his old age. We both got something out of it.” <br />
*'''[http://newgon.com/CPP/Aaron/index.htm Aaron], on his website'''<br />
*:A 15-year-old boy talks about his adult lover on his website. <br />
*'''[http://www.nambla.org/boys.htm Boys Speak Out on Man/Boy Love], NAMBLA, 1981.'''<br />
*:NAMBLA published a book with first-person accounts of 29 boys about their relationships with older men. Titles include ''The Best Thing That Ever Happened to Me'' by Greg, 16, ''It Shouldn’t Be a Crime to Make Love'' by Bryan, 12, ''If It Wasn’t for Mark I’d Probably Be Dead Today'' by Carl, 14, ''I Need My Lovers'' by Tyrone, 16, and ''It Was Me Who Started It'' by Frank, 15. <br />
*'''The perspective of a loving boy in [http://newgon.com/CPP/Benjamin-BoysAndBoylovers.htm On Boys and Boylovers] by Jarod Benjamin, 1997.'''<br />
*:Jarod Benjamin’s 1997 study of male-male pedophilia includes a section that reports on pedophile relationships from the point of view of boys in them. Reference is also made to 620 quotes of boys in Edward Brongersma’s [http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1557410038 Loving Boys].<br />
*'''[http://www.thinkandask.com/2006/042106-john.html Baseball, Boys, One Man on Illegal Love]'''<br />
*:A boy happily participates in a sexual and emotional relationship with an older man beginning at age 12. "Jesse is less than half John's age and turned 15-years-old in April, but the boy is not his son. Jesse "is my lover," John said, "but the feelings are mutual, this is a consensual relationship." John met Jesse (not his real name) when the boy was homeless three years ago. [...] In Jesse's own words, "John knows me, he's here inside my head already, I mean all along. He is my dad, boyfriend, best friend, brother, all in one. He's great," he grins as he chats with a friend on the office computer. [...] "I brought it up and told him how I felt and offered to take care of him. That is when he said he was in love with me and never wanted to leave," John said."<br />
*'''[http://www.petertatchell.net/age%20of%20consent/14%20gay%20boyfriend.htm Lee]'''<br />
*:Gay sex at 8 / various illegal / all consenting "Lee is 14. He's been having sex with boys since the age of eight, and with men since he was 12. Lee has a serious problem. He wants a steady relationship and has been going out recently with a guy in his mid-twenties, who he met at the hairdressers. But in the eyes of the law, Lee's partner is a paedophile and Lee is a victim of child abuse. That's not, however, the way Lee sees it: "I want to have a boyfriend. It's my choice. No one's abusing me. Why should we be treated like criminals?". This is a live issue for Lee because he prefers relationships with older guys. "I don't get on with people my own age", says Lee. "They're too immature. I like men in their 20s or early 30s. They are more experienced and serious. With them, you can get into a closer relationship than with a teenager"."<br />
*'''[http://danpedo.sexualpolitik.se/english/davidgb.php#1 David]'''<br />
*:Gay sex at 13 with a man in his mid-30s. "[O]ne day he started telling me about all the boys he'd had, and.., we finally ended up in the next room. We had a good time. I actually thought it was a little funny; at one point I even started to laugh. I don't know why -- I just had this weird need to laugh. [...] It was all so new. It was exciting. [...] (Interviewer: It [your relationship] all sounds very rosy...) Yes, it's really, really great."<br />
*'''[http://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/vigilance-vital-to-keeping-vile-paedophiles-at-bay-57221.html Unnamed 13/14-year-old boy]'''<br />
*:Claims that he consented, but others saw it very differently! [username: as@df.com, p/w: asdf] "The young lad in question, who was 13 when his contact with these paedophiles began, claims that the sexual relationships he had with them were all consensual. In other words, he is stating that he was not raped, and that, to his mind at least, there was no abuse."<br />
*'''[http://www.logicalreality.com/openbb/read.php?TID=1785&page=4 Pat Kelly]'''<br />
*:Aged 5, he helped a boy, 17, masturbate; was grateful for his invitation (Forum down. Pat was the webmaster behind the rational humanist website LogicalReality.com and the associated forums. He claims to have enjoyed hiding in a garage and masturbating the other boy, much like a schoolboy would enjoy being allowed into the staffroom - the world of adults, with which he was so fascinated).<br />
*'''[http://www.martijn.org/info/OK41_EN_1.html Andre and Dennis]'''<br />
*:Educationalist on his relationship with a primary schoolboy. ". Actually, it really lasted quite a while before the sexual side of our relationship started to take shape; I did not dare begin with this so soon. André does feel a bit guilty towards Dennis' mother that he never brought up the sexuality. He asks himself if she may not have figured out after all, because every now and then she has made remarks that could point to that. She does know that Dennis and André have a very physical contact with each other and kiss each other. Basicly, he would like to talk about it, but, understandably, this is not easy. On being asked, Dennis had a clear opinion: 'She does not need to know!'"<br />
*'''"[http://www.martijn.org/page.php?id=1171983 11-year-old faggot]"'''<br />
*:Talks to NAMbLA. Boys speak out. Order: Nambla, P. O. Box 174, Midtown Sta. New York, NY10018 "My first statement is that I want to dispel the image that a child is an ''innocent little puppy dog''. Children have plenty of knowledge about life, the universe and everything. But adults tend not to listen to their children. This ''innocent puppy'' syndrome represses the child's social, sexual, political, economical, and emotional desires. Children are not taken seriously and are expected to conform to a society in which they can't question its validity. This has got to stop! [...] A child is a sexual being. Therefore, children should have the right to explore any aspect of sexuality they desire to engage in. Why do parents, politicians, and police (the 3 p's) feed guilt into children that are sexually active? [...] Many people have been destroyed because of intergenerational relationships, people who could offer the world a lot if they had just not been persecuted for being different. Burning witches is a pastime which is just regaining popularity in the States."<br />
*'''[http://www.p-loog.info/English/interview_3_b/johnny.htm Johnny]'''<br />
*:Maternally approved Gay sex at 12 "(Interviewer: What are the negative aspects of your contact with Ferdinand?) Tss ... There aren't any. [...except] to explain that to my family, or to keep his orientation hidden from them."<br />
*'''[http://www.p-loog.info/English/interview_3_b/peter.htm Peter]'''<br />
*:Happy with pedophile contacts from an early age (around ten) "(Interviewer: What are the negative aspects of your contact with Ferdinand?) I don't have any."<br />
*'''[http://www.p-loog.info/English/interview_3_b/stephan.htm Stephan]'''<br />
*:Descriptive account of yet another acceptable relationship, beginning at age 11. "Ferdinand really picked me up in a terrific way. I have learned lots from him, I've had many experiences and I've done lots of things with Ferdinand. I have learned something about human nature from Ferdinand. And other important things in society, responsibility, how to go about with money. I still don't do that very well, you know, it just didn't stick with me. But, you know, that sort of thing. The important things in life. Before Ferdinand I didn't know about any of these things and through him I have discovered them. Also, I always say, "I didn't have a childhood until I met Ferdinand. Then I received my childhood." And that is really how it was because before that I had so many problems. [...] (Interviewer: What are the negative aspects of your contact with Ferdinand?) Not one! That is very easy to say. Not one."<br />
*'''[http://web.archive.org/web/20040823204921/http://www.logicalreality.com/openbb/read.php?TID=164 Pluto]'''<br />
*:Emotional need for sex with a boy, at 56, after enjoying the reverse long ago. Pluto's early childhood experience involved showering with a grown man, and enjoying sexual contact. At the time of the act, it would have most certainly been disapproved of, but there was no moral panic in place to rob him of his self-worth. "Yes, I did have sex with an adult when I was very young--10, 11, 12 years old--and I treasure and cherish the memories... [...] I was not hurt in any way by it. i only wish there had been more times when he fooled around with me."<br />
*'''[http://www.ipce.info/host/sandfort_87/Appendix.htm Thijs and Joop]''' (in [[Theo Sandfort]]'s ''Boys on their contacts with men'')<br />
*:Befriended by a boylover at nine, and enjoying sex "(Interviewer: What do you find the unpleasant aspects of sex with Joop?) There aren't any. I don't know of any, at least. [...] (Interviewer: Can you say who starts it, when you have sex?) Either of us. Sometimes me, yeah, mostly me. But he, too, real often. [...] (Interviewer: What do you think your mother would feel about your having sex with Joop?) I guess she'd think it was dirty. She'd think a man doing that with a child wasn't normal, that you just shouldn't do it. That's what she'd say. (Interviewer: And how do you feel about her thinking that way?) Rotten stupid! Although I wouldn't tell her it was rotten stupid. I mean, what business is it of hers? It's my business what I do. [...] (Interviewer: How do you feel about your having sex with Joop?) It's just really nice. (Interviewer: It's no problem for you?) It's just like a man going to bed with a woman--I think it's exactly the same: nice. And the feelings and so on they have, I have too."<br />
*'''[http://www.freewebtown.com/newsstand/archive/0316.html Unnamed Indian Boy]'''<br />
*:Newspaper article about M8 + M19 sex and the victim syndrome "Once I was about 15, I grew familiar with terms like paedophilia and child abuse and started to realise what I had been through. This too had a downside. I found myself in 'the victim syndrome'. I started using this incident as an excuse to endear myself to people and constantly looked at myself as victimised in relationships and emotional circumstances. This persists even today but I try to rid myself of this misery."<br />
*'''[http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showpost.php?p=3730495&postcount=250 Sateryn]'''<br />
*:Got a 'kick' out of illegal sex play with adults, at five, but disliked the following investigation "you know the most traumatic part about being molested as a child? sitting in a room with your parents and a therapist staring at you, forcing you to take naked cloth dolls and use them to put on a puppet show to show the adults what happened to you. the physical act of it? the molestation itself? hell, it was interesting... i was 5, it was something new, and i lucked out in that it wasn't violent, just people getting their rocks off - and quite frankly i got a kick out of it, at the time."<br />
*'''[http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?p=3924233#post3924233 IIDB]'''<br />
*:Another member comments about their indifference, and expands later on. "I remember one incident when I was 9 or so and my uncles were 20 and 21. They brought me and a cousin who's about my age to their room and we engaged in oral sex. It was a one-time thing, but I didn't repress the memory, felt ashamed by it, or otherwise damaged by it. We didn't talk about it though, and it doesn't come to mind often. Is that counted as abuse? I had no strong feelings about it then or now. [...] I don't claim that it didn't affect me then, but it affected me in the way sexual activities affect us at that age - that of guilt of doing something I was taught is wrong or shameful. It's the same feeling I got then after masturbation and sexual experimentation with my friends, male and female."<br />
*'''[https://www.boychat.org/messages/967788.htm Hangtwenty]'''<br />
*:1950s boylove with an oversexed 12-year-old. "....The most intense affair happened between 1956 and 1958.... The boy, who was 12 when it started, not only told me that I was his 'best friend', but that I was his 'only friend'...! ....Since we both lived with our parents then, and both lived in the same apartment house, we were together alot... His intensity to be sexual with me was much stronger than mine was for him..!"<br />
*'''[http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,,1589948,00.html Prominent British men on fagging in their public schools]'''<br />
*:Article by the Guardian<br />
*'''[http://www.inquisition21.com/article~view~69~page_num~2.html Gerald]'''<br />
*:Convicted for loving sex with teenage boys, after they made unfortunate spousal choices.<br />
*'''[http://www.martijn.org/info/2000_002_EN.html Dirk Tieleman]'''<br />
*:A journalist claims that a slightly coercive relationship worked to his own benefit. "When I was thirteen, a boy of seventeen sexually used me for a period of time with slight coercion, but I never really felt bad about that. He jacked me off and forced me to jack him off, and at first I felt uncomfortable about that, but after a few times I began to enjoy it myself and the aspect of coercion trailed off. Off course, being a thirteen-year-old boy, I found it curious that I was doing such things with another boy, but I realize now that this first sexual experience has helped me approach girls - to whom I was far more attracted - confidently and without qualms later on. That first sexual experience with a boy was, to me, the perfect introduction to sexuality. [...] In the past years, since the Dutoux scandal, I've been hearing people say all the time that any form of sex with children would automatically lead to great disturbances and 'damage the innocent child's soul beyond repair', but I feel confident in stating with absolute certainty that I haven't suffered the least bit of damage from my first sexual experiences with that older boy - not as a child, and not now. On the contrary: I have always had a very normal and healthy sex life, perhaps even because of that first experience."<br />
*'''[http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/s_553687.html Kevin B. Johnson's Boyfriend]'''<br />
*:"The second boy [15/16?] described a sexual relationship with Johnson that began when the youth was a freshman in 2004 and continued until last month. He told police, "I am not a victim. I was a willing participant," according to the affidavit."<br />
*'''[http://www.ipce.info/booksreborn/martinson/infant/InfantAndChildSexuality.html Floyd Martinson in his book "Infant and Child Sexuality"]'''<br />
*:Martinson quotes another's experience: "My first homosexual experience came at the age of five or six, when I would play with this boy who was at that time about sixteen. He would ask me if I wanted to go into his house for something to eat, like some cookies or something. Of course I would go. Next he would ask me if I would go into the bedroom with him. Upon entering the bedroom, he would undress and ask me to do the same. I would, probably out of fright. I distinctly remember his body being very hairy, so perhaps I underestimated his age. Anyway, after undressing, he would tell me to bend over and then he would insert his erect penis into my anal region and start thrusting back and forth. He would then stimulate my penis and want me to do the same to him. We also masturbated each other, with him reaching orgasm and myself only being stimulated. I also spent some time in oral-genital contact. I did find the whole experience quite pleasing and continued to engage in these activities for a week or two. Then, and I don't recall why, we suddenly stopped doing it completely." <br />
*'''[http://home.wanadoo.nl/ipce/library_two/rind/rind_gay_boys_app.htm Bruce Rind, quoting accounts from Savin-Williams (1997).]'''<br />
*:[B: 13, M: 22] "Subject and adult brother often massaged each other. "This time, however, I got a little hard and then he noted I had grown so much since he last saw me naked. He asked me jokingly if he could suck my dick. I said 'yes' so we got off on each other. He did me and then I did him. He came all over me but I did not. This lasted a month until he headed back to work. I do miss him as a friend and a brother. Was nothing romantic." Subject added, "I liked it, ... felt good. I wanted to do it again and again. I already knew my brother was gay and that I was attracted to men so this did not prove or disprove that I was gay."<br />
*:[B: 15, M: 27] "[It was with] the mailman, honest to God! On and off for two years. The first time was when I came to the door to get a special delivery package in my sheer designer underwear, from American Male. I was changing to go back to school. He sprouted a boner, I got hard, he grabbed mine, I grabbed his, and we were off and running. Every day I'd come home for lunch; my mother worked. I had to be quick so he'd not get docked for late deliveries. He had a real thing for redheads like me. He was very forward, connected with me, and told me how hot I was. Talked about our backgrounds. It ended when he suddenly got transferred and contact became difficult. We visited each other and had sex, but it was hard and we agreed mutually because of the distance that it was better that we be friends and not lovers" (p. 172).<br />
*:[B: 12, M: 22] It lasted 9 months with his science teacher. "It developed over time and was great. We became friends and I invited him over once when my parents weren't home. I practically had to force sex on him because he was afraid about losing his job. Ended when I went away for the summer and he wasn't a teacher at my school no more" (p. 163). " <br />
*:[B: 12, M: 35] The man was a family friend; the sex was mutually initiated, oral, off and on for 10 years (a couple of times per month), and "physically great." It confused the subject that the man was married, yet was willing to have sex with him. "Eventually I fell in love with him; knew I was gay but did not broadcast this; I was curious because of the age difference. Mutual oral sex happened after he fondled me; it was the first orgasm I ever had." <br />
*:[B: 13, M: 38] "Family friend. I initiated on a camping trip; we were in same tent at state park; oral sex to orgasm for both of us; several times during the night; incredibly erotic, tremendous release, very pleasurable. Not real close; didn't enjoy kissing. Afterwards scary because I enjoyed it so much. Not wanting to be near him on the trip because afraid others would notice. Once per month for the next 4 years that I initiated; never talked about it; sex was all it was. Wished I was straight so the attractions would go away, because the sexual gratification was so strong." <br />
*:[B: 14, M: 26] "It was with a stranger; he initiated it; it involved oral and mutual masturbation, we did it 10 more times. I was excited, was loved and in love, got affection, but was not prepared for sex. It was not so l much that I wanted his affection; I was attracted to him. This relationship lasted a week then three months later we met again and we were sexual."<br />
<br />
*'''[[Bruce Rind]] - "The Problem with Consensus Morality", Archives of Sexual Behavior, Vol. 31, No. 6, December 2002'''<br />
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::"These are based on a sampling of interviews I recently conducted on individuals who learned about me from publicity surrounding my publications and contacted me to tell their stories. These cases, involving five men who had sex as boys around age 10 with men, dispute Schmidt’s claim that there can never be sexual consensus between prepubescents and adults. The cases are cross-national, coming from Australia, Canada, England, France, and the United States. The first three men are homosexual and the last two are heterosexual. All names have been altered to preserve confidentiality.<br />
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:*Case 1. Nathan, a 45-year-old Brit, began being intensely curious about adult male genitalia when he was 8. At this age, in attempt to satisfy this curiosity, he surreptitiously went into the room of his household’s sleeping man servant and fondled him under his bed covers. By age 10, his curiosity had turned into sexual arousal. He unsuccessfully tried to solicit sex from men in locker rooms. At age 11, he met a neighbor man, whom he worked on over many visits in attempt to initiate sex. Eventually, he succeeded. In his many repeats with the man over the next 2 years, Nathan reported that hewas the "conductor" - he controlled the sexual interactions. While still a boy, he had several other sexual relations with men, all of which he viewed as very positive. He thinks the sex helped his sexual self-confidence: as he matured, he knew exactly what he wanted in sex, while his peers were still searching.<br />
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:*Case 2. James, a 23-year-old Canadian, first felt sexually aroused by other males at age 6 and had his first sex at 8 with a peer. At 11, he befriended a neighbor man, towhom he gave many signals, hoping for sex to occur. Eventually, it did, which made him feel proud and closer to the man. Over the next 3 years, he visited the man regularly, often secretly to avoid the possibility of his parents ending the relationship. He saw the relationship as very positive and said it built his personality (e.g., greater self-confidence) and influenced many of his tastes (e.g., an appreciation for literature).<br />
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:*Case 3. Daniel, a 33-year-old Frenchman, was physically affectionate with his father starting at age 6. By 8, he became sexually attracted to him. At 10, he initiated sexual fondling with him, which the father accepted. In the sexual relationship, which lasted 4 years, Daniel always initiated the sex. In retrospect, he cherished the intimacy and described the relationship as "beautiful, pure, security, confidence, and love." He said it built his sexual self-confidence.<br />
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:*Case 4. At age 8, Dennis, a 21-year-old American, initiated sexual contact with a man friendly with his family, whom he suspected of being involved with his older brother. Sex occurred between them for the next 2 years. He said he usually initiated the encounters because he was always ready for sex. He described the relationship as the most positive he has ever had. He saw himself as having the upper hand, because he felt he had control over the man, who went to great lengths to fulfill his wishes. He felt that his adolescent and adult sexual relations went more smoothly because of the competence he got from these early experiences. Asked how a heterosexual male could have enjoyed homosexual relations, he answered that he was attracted to sex back then, not females or males per se.<br />
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:*Case 5. John, a 22-year-old Australian, first realized his sexual arousal to girls at age 8. By 9, he felt lonely and was bullied by older boys, when he met a male neighbor in his late teens. They quickly became friends, and John spent a lot of time at his house. The young man eventually initiated masturbatory sex with him. John was at first apprehensive that otherswould find out, but became comfortable with the sex once he felt safe from this concern. The relationship lasted 3 years. He was proud to be seen with the older male, saw him as his protector, and saw the intimacy they had as the highlight of his life. Asked if the relationship was consenting, he said yes, because he wanted it, the young man wanted it, he loved the young man, so consent meant, "Yes, do it.""<br />
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*'''[http://www.ipce.info/ipceweb/Library/01oct01c_my_father.htm My Father and I]'''<br />
*:Positive man-boy incest is interrupted by a mother. "My father molested me from the time I was two till I was 15. We would lie naked and he would play with my penis. Then he would give me oral sex. When I was old enough I then started sucking him too. He never hurt me or tried to have anal sex with me, even though I wanted him to. I had anal sex with him, a few times, once my father decided my penis was big enough. My father and I would plan things around the times where we could meet and make each other feel good. My mother found out and two months ago my father was sent to prison. What my father did to me was not rape, at all. He never hurt me. In fact, I looked forward to spending the time with him but my mother and the police don't seem to listen."<br />
*'''[http://www.ipce.info/ipceweb/Library/00dec18c_a_professor_speaks.htm William Percy]'''<br />
*:Article "UMASS professor advocates pederasty" William Armstrong Percy III says that when he was 14, he seduced a male soldier while traveling on a train. "I never got enough sex with an older man. I don't see that I was harmed at all, except being deprived of not having more," said Percy. "I was already the aggressor."<br />
*'''[http://www.ipce.info/library_3/files/tindall.htm The male adolescent involved with a pederast becomes an adult]'''<br />
*:Several accounts. "During his 11th year he began spending his spare time around a service station, where he became acquainted with a master mechanic who was then in his early 40s, married, and childless. [...] On a fishing trip, during a break on an island, they began talking about sex, which led to Denver's being fellated by the mechanic and to masturbation of the mechanic by Denver. For the next 5 years mutual fellatio occurred two or three times per week. Sexual activity with the mechanic ceased at about age 19, but a close relationship continued to exist until the mechanic's death. Denver is now 44 years of age. [...] Denver remarried and has been a valued mechanic with the same company for 20 years. He has a supervisory position and believes that his relationship with his mechanic friend helped him reach his goals. He says he would have approved a similar relationship for either of his sons, had he become aware of such a situation. He reports no desire to have sex with males since approximately age 20."<br />
*'''[http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/10/19/national/main2104978.shtml Mark Foley]'''<br />
*:Former American Republican, @13y/o. "The Rev. Anthony Mercieca, 72, described several encounters that he said Foley might perceive as sexually inappropriate, the Sarasota Herald-Tribune reported. They include massaging Foley while the boy was naked, skinny-dipping together at a secluded lake in Lake Worth and being nude in the same room on overnight trips. "Once maybe I touched him or so ... but I didn't, it's not something you call rape or penetration or anything like that," Mercieca told West Palm Beach station WPTV in a phone interview. "He seemed to like it, you know? So it was sort of more like a spontaneous thing". Mercieca said."<br />
*'''[http://richarddawkins.net/article,118,Religionrsquos-Real-Child-Abuse,Richard-Dawkins Richard Dawkins]'''<br />
*:From an article of his, that despite not being exactly sex - positive, goes as far as is 'acceptable' in playing down the impact of nonviolent, situational fondling of children by priests, whilst attacking the religious dogmas that sometimes cause so much shame after such encounters. "Being fondled by the Latin master in the Squash Court was a disagreeable sensation for a nine-year-old, a mixture of embarrassment and skin-crawling revulsion, but it was certainly not in the same league as being led to believe that I, or someone I knew, might go to everlasting fire. As soon as I could wriggle off his knee, I ran to tell my friends and we had a good laugh, our fellowship enhanced by the shared experience of the same sad pedophile. I do not believe that I, or they, suffered lasting, or even temporary damage from this disagreeable physical abuse of power. Given the Latin Master’s eventual suicide, maybe the damage was all on his side."<br />
*'''[http://www.ipce.info/ipceweb/Statements/factoids.htm Heinz Kohut]'''<br />
*:Strozier, quoting the Psychologist on his relationship as a child: "I had this private tutor, who was a very important person in my life. He would take me to museums and swimming and concerts and we had endless intellectual conversations and played complicated intellectual games and played chess together" They also did sexual things together, which they both enjoyed, but Kohut felt the sex was more or less incidental. The important thing for him was the relationship. He said "I was an only child. So it was in some way psychologically life-saving for me. I was very fond of this fellow." Heinz was about 10 or 11 at the time. He describes his years with his tutor as being perhaps the happiest ones in his life."<br />
*'''[http://news.scotsman.com/farrightineurope/Fortuyn-favoured-depraved.2326187.jp Pim Fortuyn]'''<br />
*:Populist, anti - immigration, homosexual Politician from the Netherlands (deceased): "Fortuyn's first experience occurred when he was five years old. "The Dutch soldier asks if I want to see his tent. That's what I want. I like it and they all are sleeping on the ground in a sleeping-bag. I ask if it is hard and cold to sleep on the ground. Oh no, come here. Together we crawl in his sleeping-bag. The soldier asks my name and I ask his name. “He is called Arie and he asks if I like that name. Yes, I think that's a nice name and I lie beside him, nice and warm." Fortuyn then described a close sexual encounter with the soldier before leaving his sleeping-bag "to go and play outside." He added: "Can I come back tomorrow? Yes, tomorrow I may come back, says Arie." A few pages later, he describes another incident: "I went to the park for a walk, it was very silent and the sun was shining. On the bench sat a young fellow. I stood still, curious." Fortuyn relates another sexual encounter - this time in explicit detail. He concludes: "I was frightened and ran away to my home, to my mother. Excited, I ran into the room. My mother looked at me searchingly and asked what had happened. Nothing, of course. Watch out, little man, was the only thing she said. A glass of lemonade made me calm down. Yes, that was exciting." Most telling is his appraisal of these memories. "In chapter 1 about the 1950s, I wrote about my early sexual experiences, experiences that I see as an enrichment. Today, an experience like that in the park could easily lead to a complaint by parents to the police because of paedophilia, and the relevant young man would be in trouble. But why? "He didn't do me any harm. On the contrary, he showed me something that was incomprehensibly exciting and I could feel and touch it, but today we are ready to interfere with complete teams of professionals. By interfering in such an irritating and grown-up way in the world of children, we make an enormous problem of something that for a child is no problem at all and is only exciting.""<br />
*'''[http://www.mwillett.org/Debate/viewtopic.php?p=121929#121929 Todd Nickerson]'''<br />
*:A self-declared pedophile writes: "I did have a single sexual encounter with an adult when I was a child, though I would hardly describe it as traumatic or even unpleasant. My memory of being touched—and that’s all it amounted to—is that it was, at most, a little confusing since I didn’t really understand what was taking place. Not that I really minded, though. In fact, after it occurred, I went immediately to a relative and bragged to her about it."<br />
*'''[http://www.boylover.net/ Boylover.net member on experiences as an 11-year-old boy]'''<br />
*:"We piled back into the limo and it drove us to Toronto where we went to a stage play. I don’t remember what we saw because my head was still spinning about the fact that this attractive man, one who could have any female he wanted, was in love with me and was doing all this to make this night as special as he could. After the play, we headed for home. Limo drivers must have orders to ignore whatever they see going on in the back because ours got quite an eyeful. He was treated to the sight of an eleven-year-old boy and a nineteen-year-old man acting like boyfriends. We kissed, we petted, and we worked each other into an erotic frenzy, a frenzy for which there could only be one consummation."<br />
*'''[http://www.boylover.net/ Boylover.net member on intercourse]'''<br />
*:"I was 10 and it was with an Adult Friend. I did not, nor do I now think I was abused. (well not by my AF anyway) I liked it. We only ever did the things I wanted to do."<br />
*'''[http://www.helping-people.info/Treatment/sot/offender.htm#3-6a_narrative_force Frans Gieles in an article of his]'''<br />
*:"Craisatie (1998, among others page 117) describes a client who, as a child, had frequented a group, which in the book was called 'a child pornography ring'. As a child, he never had seen this as being abuse. Contrarily, he said that he'd gotten a lot of love, comradeship and care, which he did not get at home. Craisatie describes it as an example of successful treatment that his client ultimately abandoned his feeling of being loved and changed it into the feeling of being abused although this occurred only gradually and very late in the treatment process [...] Ehrenreich (2004) describes a man who for nineteen years was held in a closed clinic. He denied his offense, thus refused to speak about it, thus he did not cooperate, thus year after year his stay was renewed. Then, he changed tack: he 'acknowledged' his offense, he spoke about it, he did exactly what the therapists ordered, and said that he benefited from their treatment. This was the only way to be released. The man has been released. Then it turned out that is accusers had lied about everything they had said, under high pressure of the police: there never had been an offense."<br />
*'''Boy in Dan Tsang (1981)''', "The age taboo". London: Gay Men's Press. <br />
*:"It's often not the man who goes out to seduce the boy, but the other way round. In my first experience, I did the seducing. . . . It is mostly the boys who go out in search of sexual satisfaction from men..."<br />
*'''[http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=bta8oOuDtoI (Man?) on YouTube]'''<br />
*:An extremely detailed account that was hindered by a voice concealer. Person had a positive relationship as youngster, and has met pedophiles.<br />
*'''[http://www.sunstar.com.ph/static/net/2007/10/19/orphans.admit.clown.fondled.them.html Carlock the Clown]'''<br />
*:Some young children plead with authorities not to press charges against a clown who played with them sexually. "Surprisingly though, when asked by American embassy officials if they wanted their "Kuya Paul" charged in court for abusing them, all the three kids pleaded with the officials not to file a case against Carlock. "Please don't file a case against Kuya Paul. He is a good man, he is a good man," the kids said. "The kids told me that they loved the man so much because he was so good to them. They said they treated the man as their father. Paul gave them candies, lollipops," Karasuyama said." The clown was eventually [http://illinoishomepage.net/content/fulltext/?cid=9747 tasered and killed by police].<br />
*'''[http://terrygeorge.co.uk/home/?topic=440 Terry George on "phone sex" with Michael Jackson]'''<br />
*:According to George, Michael Jackson engaged him in "phone sex" at the age of 13: "I do not feel like a victim and I never did feel like a victim," he said. See [http://terrygeorge.co.uk/home/?folder=13 directory] for other articles.<br />
*'''[http://www.freetimes.com/stories/13/43/confessions-of-a-proud-pedophile-phillip-distasio-says-getting-caught-was-all-part-of-his-plan Phillip Distasio]'''<br />
*:Imprisoned for life; a proud pedophile activist who had a relationship with an older man at 12. "Distasio describes himself as a second-generation pedophile: at the age of 12, he began a relationship with an older man, a swimming instructor named Charlie, at a boys club in Massachusetts. He says he's known about his proclivity since age 9. "To me, he says, “it is as valid as any other sexual orientation.""<br />
*'''[http://www.broadbandreports.com/shownews/Cleaning-Up-Tor-82218 "Jay78" commenting on broadbandreports.com]'''<br />
*:"Also, when I was about 6 years of age I was sexually "used" without coercion by an adult family member in ways that today would have put that person in prison. I almost forgot about that seemingly anecdotal incident and memory until I was reminded of it by the current hysteria over that kind of thing. Compared with the other things I experienced, that was not even worth thinking of, I would never hurt that person who did that and have a good relationship with that person today."<br />
*'''[http://www.ipce.info/library_3/files/rivas_howard_miller.htm "Howard Miller" as told to Titus Rivas, Ipce]'''<br />
*:"We would zip our sleeping bags together and he would tickle and massage me all over. He would tell me dirty jokes while helping me with my homework and get me aroused. Then we would masturbate together. He satisfied me and then himself or we satisfied ourselves while watching each other. I thought that he was fascinating to look at and occasionally touch but not to satisfy. [...] I have only good feelings about what happened but am sad that most people will never be able to understand that. I also wish that we didn't have to worry about each other getting into trouble with the society over what happened. [...] Because I had such a positive experience as a child I believe that I can say with absolute certainty that sometimes such relationships can be very positive. Notice I don't say that they always will be, but heck more than 50% of marriages end in divorce. Most real child abuse occurs in families. Should then marriage be outlawed?"<br />
*'''[http://www.boylover.net/info/scrapbook/kolya_03.html Loren Robb and Kolya - Bulletin]'''<br />
*:A man tells of his loving relationship with a young native Arctic boy who he brought up in New Zealand.<br />
*'''[http://youfoundme.org/mylife.html My Life - Youfoundme.org]'''<br />
*:A very long testimony written by a person known to a contact of Newgon.com. "It was the end of that summer that I learned what real heartache felt like. Sex was never the dominating factor in my relationship with James. I wanted to fool around a lot more than he did but I just liked being with him. He knew so much about construction and getting things to work that it was like being at school all the time except it was fun. Like any kid who hears his dad tell the same joke all the time I got tired of hearing "plumbings easy boy, just remember shit flows down hill". What I really didn't want to hear was the day James told me we couldn't do the sex thing anymore. I don't recall his exact words but something to the effect "this just isn't right or this isn't normal". I was crushed. It (our friendship) seemed so normal and great to me that I didn't understand why he felt that way. My suffering didn't come from the hands of an abuser, my suffer came from the words of a man who feared for my wellbeing. I kept telling him I was okay with things and nothing needed to change. Change did come and even my begging wouldn't get him to monkey around with me. It happened once or twice after the big talk but it was never the same."<br />
*'''[http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2372/is_4_41/ai_n9488757/pg_1 Jessica L. Stanley (Researcher)]'''<br />
*:"One man, at 14 years old, researched the location of gay bars and met a man with whom he had a few sexual encounters and with whom he has maintained a friendship for nearly 20 years."<br />
*'''[http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2372/is_3_39/ai_94130312 Curtis Dolezal (Researcher)]'''<br />
*:"participant was 10 when he had sexual contact on 20 occasions over 3 months with a 25-year-old male neighbor. The events involved mutual masturbation and oral sex. The participant did not feel coerced or hurt and did not feel it was sexual abuse "because I seduced the neighbor."<br />
*'''[[Paedophilia: The radical case|O'Carroll 1980, p.83-84]]'''<br />
*:"As a boy he became sexually mature at age twelve-and-a-half. "It was like the world was beginning to make sense, to take on purpose and meaning. [...] I regard my meeting with Mr. S., then aged twenty-six, as a critical turning point in my love life. Until then, sex was fun, felt good and left me only moderately guilty. Once I approached Mr.S. (Yes, I approached him) with my thirteen-year-old impatience for intimacy, he told no one, responded positively to my shaky advances (didn't even laught at me!) and simply embraced me. [...] Here was a masculine adult man (happily married even), who was interested in doing with me what I was already finding exciting with my boy-friends. And through this relationship a new dimension was added to my experience which has not occurred to me before - tenderness, affection and love. (...) This affection was, in its way, just as satisfying as the ecstatic orgasms that punctuated our days and nights together. I regard this man, this relationship as a turning point because I was never the same after knowing him for two years - I was more in tune with myself after that...".<br />
*'''[[Sex met kinderen]], pages 75-76. (Untranslated - [[Frits Bernard]])'''<br />
*:A 25 year old man tells of a relationship struck up with a gay man when he was eight. They started having sex when he was ten, something that he enjoyed. The relationship lasts until he is 18.<br />
*'''"En me vriendje houdt van mij: 23 verhalen uit het leven gegrepen", edited by Ben Füss and Gorrit Goslinga (Eindhoven: Stichting Uitgeverij NVSH, 1981)'''<br />
*:"We had just moved and that was how I met a nice man, as a 13-year-old. We talked a lot, in his room. He was very interested in art and possessed a lot of books with pictures of works of art and sculptry. I had little interest for this but did not want to hurt Dick's feelings. Only the pictures that showed nudity captured my interest. I also tried to hide this. [...]" This interest was noticed by Dick and it led to Dick briefly caressing the boy's genitals. Dick was very cautious and tried to end it immediately. The boy was very eager to have additional sexual experiences and finally persuaded Dick to allow him a visit. One thing led to another and the end result was a tender sexual relationship that lasted for about six years. After the war he re-established a life-long friendship with Dick, though without the sexual aspect. He was there when Dick died at age 83. He adds: "The value of this relationship is something I continue to cherish till this very day."<br />
*'''[http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/15/science/15gajdusek.html "D. Carleton Gajdusek, Who Won Nobel for Work on Brain Disease, Is Dead at 85"]'''<br />
*:"D. Carleton Gajdusek, a virologist who won the 1976 Nobel Prize in medicine for his work on the mysterious epidemics now known as prion diseases, died last week in Tromso, Norway. [...] In later life, Dr. Gajdusek became notorious when he was charged with molesting the many young boys he had adopted in New Guinea and Micronesia and brought to live with him in Maryland. He pleaded guilty to one charge, served a year in prison and left the United States in 1998, dividing his time between Paris, Amsterdam and Tromso. [...] He also remained unrepentant about the sexual relationships with his adopted sons, Dr. Klitzman said. He considered American law prudish and pointed out that sex with young men was normal in the cultures he studied and in the classic Greek societies at the foundation of Western civilization. His legal assistant, Dorrie Runman, who was previously married to one of his sons, John Runman, said Dr. Gajdusek’s survivors included “his adopted sons and daughters, including Yavine Borimaand Jesse Mororui-Gajdusek in the United States, and two nephews, Karl Lawrence Gajdusek and Mark Terry.” His children were legally adopted, Ms. Runman said. He put several through college and graduate or medical school. Some of them, now in their 50s, supported him during his legal troubles, while one sibling testified against him."<br />
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*'''[http://www.jungsforum.net/politik/messages/159581.htm Anon, in Berliner Zeitung (Translation)]'''<br />
*:"Being 52 now, I got a relationship with a man at the age of 8-9 of whom I was told later that he was a paedophile. The relationship went on until I was about 14 years old and we were lucky that it remained undiscovered and free of police enquiries. Even today, so many years later, I remember my big friend with gratitude, as he made my coming out as a gay person later on – and many other things in my life - a lot easier for me. Since then, I have met numerous people who also had [consensual] sexual relationships with adults as children and teenagers and who are not ashamed of this. It is easy to understand why such people never get in touch with abuse counseling agencies, because they really don't need such help. That's how such centres get a completely one-sided view of so-called victims of abuse.".<br />
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*'''''Paedophilia - What It Means To The Child'' by [[Frits Bernard]], printed in [http://exitinterview.biz/rarities/panfull.htm PAN 3] (pp. 15 - 17)'''<br />
**"I was about 13 when I had my first paedophile experience. [...] The man who brought me into touch with homosexuality and whom I even loved physically was, and still is, one of my dearest friends. I remember what a wonderful feeling it was when he satisfied me for the first time. I was not troubled in the least by worries over having done 'perverted things', probably because I had no idea of what such things were. [...] The only trouble I have had over this was when I first told my fiancee about it."<br />
**"When I was seven I had contact with a man who was especially nice to me. He used to take me to his attic, sit me on his lap and play with me sexually. I thought it was very nice and enjoyed it. I always looked forward to Wednesday afternoons, the days when we saw each other. This went on for a long time. Later I had many contacts with other men, but never with boys my own age. One day I went with a waiter to his house. I was very interested and excited. We had unusually satisfying sex together. I must have been about 14. Back home I was restless and went to see him the very next day on my own initiative. We had intercourse about twenty times in the following period. [...] Now, after a good life, I can see these early contacts as very positive to my development. I would not like to have missed them and I do not envy the people who never had these opportunities."<br />
**"When I was about eight years old I got to know a man in the street who thought I played very nicely. He invited me out for a bicycle ride, and later to visit his home. [...] From him I recieved love, which actually I had never known (not, I mean, in the way I know it at present from my wife). [...] Later, when I was ten or eleven, we had sex with each other, something I always enjoyed."<br />
**Several further accounts involving slightly older minors are available in the article.<br />
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*'''Zimmerman, Ann (1994). "[http://www.dallasobserver.com/1994-11-17/news/tell-mama-why-you-cry-part-i/5 'Tell Mama Why You Cry' (Part I)]," ''Dallas Observer'', November 17.'''<br />
*:"The tape of Tim's interview could not be located, but according to Black's notes, Tim had seen his father touch his sister on her private parts on several occasions. "He stated his father tickles Lima on her private parts and she likes it. When questioned further, Tim revealed his father also touches him on his private parts...at his house...Tim stated he doesn't mind his father doing this."<br />
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*'''Leahy, Terry. (1992). "Positively Experienced Man/Boy Sex: The Discourse of Seduction and the Social Construction of Masculinity," ''Journal of Sociology'', 28(1), 71-88.'''<br />
*:A study of eight people who perceived their childhood (under 16) contacts with adults positively.<br />
*:"Derek describes his first sexual encounter with a man in the following way. He is at the park at six o’clock on the swing. A man rushes towards him and begins to strip off:<br />
*::I just sat there looking. I didn’t know what to do but sort of thrilling. I looked, gawked, sort of ... I didn’t mind, I just kept on swinging on the swing. And I wasn’t scared or anything and he just come up to me and said ’Oh, how are ya?’ and I said ’Oh, not too bad’. In other words, coming on to me. And he turned around and said, ’Oh, what’s your name?’ And I’d tell him my name ’cause I wasn’t scared or anything because it was in a park and it was about six o’clock, really early, six, you know what I mean. And he just said, ’Would you like a drink?’ and I said ’No’. Then I started getting a bit nervy, nervous sort of thing. I knew, I must ... I knew in a way that he’d do something. So I just sat there, you know, and he said, ’Oh, would you like to come for a drive?’ Well I rushed him! So I just went for a drive with him and there we got off. First time, we got off ... I wanted to try it out. So I tried it. It was a really good feeling. Ever since then I kept on going.<br />
*:Here the narrative of this event begins with Derek sitting innocently on the swing. A man appears with obvious sexual intentions. Derek is instantly thrilled and takes voyeuristic pleasure in seeing him undress. He is not scared to go with the man and in fact ’rushes’ him. The sex is great and he has an orgasm. Even anal sex, though a bit uncomfortable at first, is enjoyed. All this has happened because he wanted to try it out and having done so he is eager to repeat the experience. This is typical of the discourse of male adolescent sexuality - spontaneous, adventurous, sexual pleasure is guaranteed, and casual contact is exciting. Derek presents himself as an active and initiating party. The events that take place are in reponse to his emerging self constituted sexual desire. All this works against any interpretation of Derek as a victim of homosexual seduction. Summarising his attitude to these sexual encounters on another occasion he concludes:<br />
*::I mean to say, sex is sex, you gotta, you know, well ... The way I feel, what would you do without it? It’s just something normal. Sex is just normal for everybody. Not just for me, for everybody and to do without ... I reckon it would be pretty hard to do without it so you’re just going to have to think.<br />
*:[...]<br />
*:Christopher’s interview provides a thorough discussion of these issues. At the time when he was interviewed he was in his mid thirties. His relationship with an adult gay man, George, began when he was about nine years old and lasted till he was eighteen. In a wry comment on the discourse of seduction he offered this remark:<br />
*::So I suppose then, you want to know now if I’m fucked up now sexually because of this terrible trauma of my childhood? Well - no. Umm. My main thrust - pun! - is heterosexual but ahh, I still occasionally sleep with males but when I say occasionally I mean very occasionally.<br />
*:[...]<br />
*:In particular, in discussing the various sexual activities in which he was engaged, Christopher stresses the physical pleasures of various acts and argues that his initial reservations about particular practices (oral sex, anal sex) were broken down as he received physical pleasure from these activities and came to feel that it was only fair to reciprocate."<br />
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[[fr:Témoignages: Adulte mâle avec mineur mâle]]</div>Stephen Jameshttps://wiki.yesmap.net/wiki/index.php?title=Phillip_John_Eide&diff=5347Phillip John Eide2009-06-30T05:45:01Z<p>Stephen James: /* Lawsuits */</p>
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<div>[[Image:Eide.PNG|thumb|Phillip Eide during his marathon confrontation with a reporter]]'''Phillip John Eide''' ("Xavier von Erck") is the self-styled leader of Portland based cyber-vigilante organisation [[Perverted Justice]].<br />
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==Motivation==<br />
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<div style="margin-right: 25px; float: left;">__TOC__</div>During an IM conversation with a 16 year old girl, Eide admitted that his organisation does not have as its primary concern, the protection of children.<br />
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:''"My goal is not to protect minors. It’s to go after pedophiles ... [what do you mean? Don’t you go after pedophiles specifically to protect kids? otherwise there’s no point] ... No, it’s because pedophiles are disgusting people. Like you. That’s why we go after them. Protecting kids is just a side benefit."''<ref>http://www.attractedtochildren.org/miscellaneous/xavier-von-erck</ref><br />
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Eide made an almost identical statement on his blog at <nowiki>http://www.evilvigilante.com/?archive=148</nowiki>:<br />
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:''"Back when I started PeeJ, those idiots at DanPedo made the mistake of taunting me. They thought my resolve to push forward with the re-launching of PeeJ simply wasn't there. And it wasn't. But they taunted me. The last thing anyone should do is try to mock, attack, or engage me aggressively. All I do, mentally, is go "Oh yeah? Well fuck you." That's why PeeJ is here. It wouldn't be here if it weren't for disgusting pedophiles thinking that they could mouth off to me in mid-2003. It just wouldn't be around.''<br />
:''My motivation in running PeeJ is very simple. It's not your typical motivation of someone who fights against internet predators and the pedophilia community that supports them. Most anti-predators are stay-at-home mothers who worry about their kids. No offense to those people, I like them plenty, they're just not bulldogs. They're not used to initiating aggressive confrontation and controversial action. They're the type that will focus on educating kids, talking amongst themselves, y'know, all fine things.''<br />
:''People like me, whose primary motivation is that pedophiles and what they wish to do are absolutely appalling and disgusting are the types that are going to go out there and aggressively confront those seeking to do evil. '''I'm not in this to protect children, it's a nice side benefit sure, but my motivation is to make life a living hell for predators and pedophiles online.''' Anyone who has observed their organizations, their posts and their attempts to promote their child-raping agenda is sickened by it. All you have to do is pay attention. It is the most disgusting shit online. I want to see them arrested, I want to see them kicked off internet services for promoting illicit acts, I want to see them stamping their feet and whining and crying that oh, those meanies at PeeJ are after us!"''<br />
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==[http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=mjwtmw_sAk0 Reporter confrontation]==<br />
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Eide's relationship with the media is rather simple; he seems able to cope when his "expertise" is held in high regard by the staff involved. For a contrary example, see [http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=mjwtmw_sAk0 this] video.<br />
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==Lawsuits==<br />
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Despite his claim to being a publicly-accountable "director of operations", Eide has been incredibly hard to trace down. In 2007, a combination of this and his general evasiveness led to a default judgement being passed against Eide after a lawsuit involving one of his organisation's harassment victims.<ref>http://www.corrupted-justice.com/article23.html</ref><br />
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Other lawsuits involving Eide's organisation can be found at our [[Perverted Justice]], [[To Catch a Predator]] and [[Wikisposure]] articles.<br />
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==Suspicious behaviour==<br />
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Eide aroused suspicion in 2008, when he refused to allow investigators to copy the hard drive of a computer he used to entrap a victim:<br />
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:''"According to court documents, the decoy, Perverted Justice founder Xavier Von Erck, recently told prosecutors the hard drive from the computer he used to chat with Wolin "experienced a complete failure" in February 2007 and cannot be copied."''<ref>http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20081225/NEWS/812250364</ref><br />
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In 2009, Eide was ordered to bring the hard drive to court, after failing to adequately justify its failure.<ref>http://newgon.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=8014#p8014</ref><br />
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==Wikipedia==<br />
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Eide has taken part in and been banned from [[Wikipedia]]. On August 14, 2007, after months of harassing other editors and biasing the [[Perverted Justice]] article, his XavierVE account was banned. This followed an incident in which he described the user [[Tyciol]] as a pedophile.<br />
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==References==<br />
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[[Image:Glawson.jpg|thumb|Peter Glawson]]'''Peter Glawson''' was the screen name of one of the most prominent of the models in the [[Lyric International]] stable. Blond, handsome, and charismatic, he appeared in the feature film ''The Genesis Children'', and recycled pictures of him have earned him an enduring Usenet cult status.<br />
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==Born in Texas==<br />
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Mr. Glawson is most easily dated by his appearance in ''The Genesis Children''. Released in August 1972, the movie must have been filmed at least a year earlier, presumably during the summer of 1971. In that movie Peter is an adolescent, while in the short film ''Swim Party'', filmed before the fall of Lyric in 1973, he is clearly a young man.<br />
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An "incomplete and unofficial" biography of Peter was posted on Usenet in January 1999 by Boyhowdy [http://groups.google.com/group/alt.svens/msg/01f24ba9e68f2618], who that same month posted a series of published photos of Peter, along with commentary which survives on Google Groups. He states that Mr. Glawson was "born in the mid-1950s (probably 1955 or 56)." That would make him 15 or 16 in ''The Genesis Children'', and 17 or 18 in the last Lyric films.<br />
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Boyhowdy goes on to say that Peter "spent his early years in Texas with his older brother, Rick and younger half-brother, Maxey". [[Billy Byars, Jr.]], who founded Lyric, was raised in Tyler, Texas, and a Lyric film shot in Texas, ''Sandy Hill'', features a younger Peter. Another Lyric film, ''Summer Freedom'', shot on Padre Island National Seashore in Texas, may also include Peter. The same Usenet post also says that, "the earliest published photos of Peter that we know of are the ones of him and Maxey and Billy Marshall and the other boys on the Gulf Coast of Texas (playing along the beach). Peter is 12 in these photos."<br />
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Peter appears in ''The Genesis Childen'' wearing a Tyler YMCA T-shirt.<br />
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==Peter in California==<br />
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Boyhowdy’s "incomplete and unofficial" biography says that, "When Peter was around 12 … he and Maxey moved from Texas to California to live with their Uncle Terry." Terry’s status as "Uncle" is discussed elsewhere. Other sources describe Maxey as the actor Max Adams of ''The Genesis Children''. One of those involved in the scandal, a Lyric producer, said in a 1975 interview that police coerced an accusation from the younger brother of a boy who lived with him. The younger brother, 13 at the time, would have been born in 1960. This scarcely identifies Maxey and Peter, for having a brother is only somewhat rarer than having a mother. The producer also says that the younger boy came on weekends to stay with his brother, and mentions an alcoholic father, all of which would suggest that his houseguest’s family was close by, and not in Texas.<br />
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The producer also denied that the boy was his lover, but acknowledged that many – including the younger brother – believed that to be the case at the time. He also said that at the time of the interview, the older boy was in the Army.<br />
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An anonymous online source who claims to have known Peter says:<br />
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"I would say that he was totally straight and not a nudist but a 'financed boy' who was resident with an older person. He liked being looked at but I would doubt that he was that keen on looking. He was brought into the big city from the country and I would say that it was his practical nature rather than anything else that kept him there." [http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.prettyboy/msg/9600bca3cb3239ce]<br />
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==Among the Lyric models==<br />
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Peter appears in Lyric’s magazines and films over what is clearly a period of years, from pre-adolescence to young manhood. Others of the boys in ''The Genesis Children'' are also clearly identifiable, however. In Usenet afterlife, Mr. Glawson is the most prominent of the Lyric models. Was he preeminent at the time? In ''The Genesis Children'', he supposedly has only a single line of dialog. However, one of the films, ''Peter and the Desert Riders'' has his name in the title.<br />
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Also, the Hollywood magazine ''Zipper'' had in its June-July 1972 issue, along with a review of ''The Genesis Children'', an item called “Zipper's Roommate of the Month: Peter Glawson (Young Star of "The Genesis Children")." Perhaps he was regarded as something special even then. An August 27, 2006 eBay listing for a copy of the issue says it contains "an exclusive interview via telephone with young Peter Glawson, star of ''Genesis Children'' entitled ''Genesis Child'' (with six tasteful photographs, including centerfold)."<br />
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He appears to have been a frequent presence at the Lyric studio and ''the pool with the cinderblock walls'', also Mr. Byars’s house, in the Hollywood Hills. One of Lyric's early magazines, ''Coq d'Or'', says "Peter rarely wears clothes around the studio."<br />
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==Heterosexuality==<br />
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Usenet posts by those who claim to know Mr. Glawson uniformly declare him to be heterosexual. None of the Lyric International films or magazines show him in sexual activity; indeed Lyric produced nothing showing anyone in sexual activity. Lyric produced only “physique” photos, although Guy Strait, associated in a distribution operation called DOM/Lyric, did produce pornography including child pornography.<br />
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The Lyric producer mentioned above did confirm that Lyric used as models some boys who also worked as call boys. The highly unreliable Robin Lloyd affirms that a "Peter, a thirteen-year-old and one of Byars's favorites, still commands a high price in the chicken market" (Lloyd, Robin, ''For Money or Love: Boy Prostitution in America'', Ballantine Books, NY, 1976, p. 79). On the same page he affirms that ''The Genesis Children'' includes a Hawaiian boy named Guy Sommers, which can be disproved by consulting IMDB or the picture on the cover of the VHS tape.<br />
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There is even a published story that two of the Lyric boys participated in a tryst with J. Edgar Hoover and his assistant. [http://newgon.com/wiki/Billy_Byars%2C_Jr.#J._Edgar_Hoover_and_the_Lyric_boys].<br />
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That incident involved a boy who was 15 in 1969, and “another boy”, and again the source is unreliable, in this case the same man who circulated the tale of Hoover dressing up in drag. There is simply no evidence that Mr. Glawson did any more in front of Lyric’s cameras than take off his clothes. Nor is there reason to believe that anyone else ever did. While there were young men known to Lyric that did engage in sex for pay, there is no reason to believe that Mr. Glawson was among them, and those who seem to know him declare that he was not.<br />
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==Peter Today==<br />
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Boyhowdy’s 1999 post declares of Peter that<br />
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We do know for a fact that he is still alive, and in fact was the benefactor of Harlan 'Slim' Pfeiffer's estate, including (sources say) having acquired most all of Slim's collection of negatives and photos from the Lyric days. It is also reported that he bought up, or otherwise acquired, the rights to all the nudist stuff, including the films, most of it which was owned by Falcon Studios, and the remainder by a couple of photographers. It is our understanding that Peter is still in contact with the Dom and they remain friends. <br />
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Peter Glawson has made some appearances as an adult, including on some cable TV talk show a few years ago. He apparently is unwilling to say much about his childhood stardom or give out information about any of the other boys, possibly to protect their privacy. He did acknowledge his acquisition of the original photos and indicated that ''The Genesis Children'', as well as videos of the home movies, were to be re-released, which has in fact happened. <br />
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Some of what Boyhowdy has to say is verifiably incorrect: he merges the three separate figures of "the DOM" who was Guy Strait; Billy Byars, Jr.; and the Lyric producer referred to but not named here.<br />
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Other Usenet posts from 2001 describe Mr. Glawson as happily married with children, and having no regrets about his early career in photography.<br />
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==See also==<br />
* [[Lyric International]]<br />
* [[Billy Byars, Jr.]]<br />
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<div>__NOTOC__<br />
[[Image:Glawson.jpg|thumb|Peter Glawson]]'''Peter Glawson''' was the screen name of one of the most prominent of the models in the [[Lyric International]] stable. Blond, handsome, and charismatic, he appeared in the feature film ''The Genesis Children'', and recycled pictures of him have earned him an enduring Usenet cult status.<br />
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==Born in Texas==<br />
<br />
Mr. Glawson is most easily dated by his appearance in ''The Genesis Children''. Released in August 1972, the movie must have been filmed at least a year earlier, presumably during the summer of 1971. In that movie Peter is an adolescent, while in the short film ''Swim Party'', filmed before the fall of Lyric in 1973, he is clearly a young man.<br />
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An "incomplete and unofficial" biography of Peter was posted on Usenet in January 1999 by Boyhowdy [http://groups.google.com/group/alt.svens/msg/01f24ba9e68f2618], who that same month posted a series of published photos of Peter, along with commentary which survives on Google Groups. He states that Mr. Glawson was "born in the mid-1950s (probably 1955 or 56)." That would make him 15 or 16 in ''The Genesis Children'', and 17 or 18 in the last Lyric films.<br />
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Boyhowdy goes on to say that Peter "spent his early years in Texas with his older brother, Rick and younger half-brother, Maxey". [[Billy Byars, Jr.]], who founded Lyric, was raised in Tyler, Texas, and a Lyric film shot in Texas, ''Sandy Hill'', features a younger Peter. Another Lyric film, ''Summer Freedom'', shot on Padre Island National Seashore in Texas, may also include Peter. The same Usenet post also says that, "the earliest published photos of Peter that we know of are the ones of him and Maxey and Billy Marshall and the other boys on the Gulf Coast of Texas (playing along the beach). Peter is 12 in these photos."<br />
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Peter appears in ''The Genesis Childen'' wearing a Tyler YMCA T-shirt.<br />
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==Peter in California==<br />
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Boyhowdy’s "incomplete and unofficial" biography says that, "When Peter was around 12 … he and Maxey moved from Texas to California to live with their Uncle Terry." Terry’s status as "Uncle" is discussed elsewhere. Other sources describe Maxey as the actor Max Adams of ''The Genesis Children''. One of those involved in the scandal, a Lyric producer, said in a 1975 interview that police coerced an accusation from the younger brother of a boy who lived with him. The younger brother, 13 at the time, would have been born in 1960. This scarcely identifies Maxey and Peter, for having a brother is only somewhat rarer than having a mother. The producer also says that the younger boy came on weekends to stay with his brother, and mentions an alcoholic father, all of which would suggest that his houseguest’s family was close by, and not in Texas.<br />
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The producer also denied that the boy was his lover, but acknowledged that many – including the younger brother – believed that to be the case at the time. He also said that at the time of the interview, the older boy was in the Army.<br />
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An anonymous online source who claims to have known Peter says:<br />
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"I would say that he was totally straight and not a nudist but a 'financed boy' who was resident with an older person. He liked being looked at but I would doubt that he was that keen on looking. He was brought into the big city from the country and I would say that it was his practical nature rather than anything else that kept him there." [http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.prettyboy/msg/9600bca3cb3239ce]<br />
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==Among the Lyric models==<br />
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Peter appears in Lyric’s magazines and films over what is clearly a period of years, from pre-adolescence to young manhood. Others of the boys in ''The Genesis Children'' are also clearly identifiable, however. In Usenet afterlife, Mr. Glawson is the most prominent of the Lyric models. Was he preeminent at the time? In ''The Genesis Children'', he supposedly has only a single line of dialog. However, one of the films, ''Peter and the Desert Riders'' has his name in the title.<br />
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Also, the Hollywood magazine ''Zipper'' had in its June-July 1972 issue, along with a review of ''The Genesis Children'', an item called “Zipper's Roommate of the Month: Peter Glawson (Young Star of "The Genesis Children")." Perhaps he was regarded as something special even then. An August 27, 2006 eBay listing for a copy of the issue says it contains "an exclusive interview via telephone with young Peter Glawson, star of ''Genesis Children'' entitled ''Genesis Child'' (with six tasteful photographs, including centerfold)."<br />
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He appears to have been a frequent presence at the Lyric studio and ''the pool with the cinderblock walls'', also Mr. Byars’s house, in the Hollywood Hills. One of Lyric's early magazines, ''Coq d'Or'', says "Peter rarely wears clothes around the studio."<br />
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==Heterosexuality==<br />
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Usenet posts by those who claim to know Mr. Glawson uniformly declare him to be heterosexual. None of the Lyric International films or magazines show him in sexual activity; indeed Lyric produced nothing showing anyone in sexual activity. Lyric produced only “physique” photos, although Guy Strait, associated in a distribution operation called DOM/Lyric, did produce pornography including child pornography.<br />
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The Lyric producer mentioned above did confirm that Lyric used as models some boys who also worked as call boys. The highly unreliable Robin Lloyd affirms that a "Peter, a thirteen-year-old and one of Byars's favorites, still commands a high price in the chicken market" (Lloyd, Robin, ''For Money or Love: Boy Prostitution in America'', Ballantine Books, NY, 1976, p. 79). On the same page he affirms that ''The Genesis Children'' includes a Hawaiian boy named Guy Sommers, which can be disproved by consulting IMDB or the picture on the cover of the VHS tape.<br />
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There is even a published story that two of the Lyric boys participated in a tryst with J. Edgar Hoover and his assistant. [http://newgon.com/wiki/Billy_Byars%2C_Jr.#J._Edgar_Hoover_and_the_Lyric_boys].<br />
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That incident involved a boy who was 15 in 1969, and “another boy”, and again the source is unreliable, in this case the same man who circulated the tale of Hoover dressing up in drag. There is simply no evidence that Mr. Glawson did any more in front of Lyric’s cameras than take off his clothes. Nor is there reason to believe that anyone else ever did. While there were young men known to Lyric that did engage in sex for pay, there is no reason to believe that Mr. Glawson was among them, and those who seem to know him declare that he was not.<br />
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==Peter Today==<br />
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Boyhowdy’s 1999 post declares of Peter that<br />
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We do know for a fact that he is still alive, and in fact was the benefactor of Harlan 'Slim' Pfeiffer's estate, including (sources say) having acquired most all of Slim's collection of negatives and photos from the Lyric days. It is also reported that he bought up, or otherwise acquired, the rights to all the nudist stuff, including the films, most of it which was owned by Falcon Studios, and the remainder by a couple of photographers. It is our understanding that Peter is still in contact with the Dom and they remain friends. <br />
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Peter Glawson has made some appearances as an adult, including on some cable TV talk show a few years ago. He apparently is unwilling to say much about his childhood stardom or give out information about any of the other boys, possibly to protect their privacy. He did acknowledge his acquisition of the original photos and indicated that The Genesis Children as well as videos of the home movies were to be re-released, which has in fact happened. <br />
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Some of what Boyhowdy has to say is verifiably incorrect: he merges the three separate figures of "the DOM" who was Guy Strait; Billy Byars, Jr.; and the Lyric producer referred to but not named here.<br />
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Other Usenet posts from 2001 describe Mr. Glawson as happily married with children, and having no regrets about his early career in photography.<br />
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==See also==<br />
* [[Lyric International]]<br />
* [[Billy Byars, Jr.]]<br />
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<div>[[Image:Echols.PNG|frame|Mike Echols]]<div style="margin-right: 25px; float: left;">__TOC__</div>'''Mike Echols''' (1 April 1944 - 10 January 2003) was an American who regularly posted taunts and threats on [[boylove]] boards, most notably [[BoyChat]], earning him status as the archetypical [[sadvocate]] on those boards. He was born Walter Harlan Echols, II in Carthage, Texas and died in jail in Monterey, California. He died while in custody after having been convicted of issuing terrorist threats against a bus driver in the California community where he lived. He used "Mike" as his first name throughout his life.<br />
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Echols could be best described as a thug who presented the sex abuse industry at its worst. Using the notoriety of his books I Know My First Name Is Steven and Brother Tony's Boys, he styled himself as a savior of children out to rid the Internet of "Child Sexual Predators." Echols was very clever at convincing people they should overlook his criminal past as a con-artist, petty thief and convicted felon, and used this charm as well as the emotive attraction of the anti-pedophile hysteria to gather a motley crew of followers to his cause. In almost all cases he brushed off his criminal past by claiming "a conspiracy" against him for revealing the supposed truth about others.<br />
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==Obsession with [[BoyChat]]==<br />
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Echols first arrived on BoyChat in 1996 and proceeded to harass and attempt to gather information on many of the posters. Much, but not all, of the information he collected was inaccurate. He published the information on his website, Better a Millstone. He primarily attempted to link BoyChat nicks with real life identities, addresses and telephone numbers.<br />
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Some of his information was widely off the mark. For example, he identified one Canadian poster as a resident of the Netherlands. In other cases, he inaccurately linked BoyChat nicks with prominent members of [[NAMBLA]], in others still he inaccurately identified BoyChat posters as being people who had been reported by news media as having been involved in cases of child molestation.<br />
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Despite his false accusations and constructed information, Echols was at times very damaging to participants of BoyChat if they were too lax with information they posted about their lives. In two known cases, individual participants of BoyChat, Dr. Denny and Mentor, sided with Echols and became operatives gathering information for him to use. These events are mostly responsible for the high awareness of security on BoyChat as compared to other message boards.<br />
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===Jim Finn III===<br />
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Echols was able to obtain the real life identity of BoyChat's then-webmaster, [[Jimf3]], from Internet registration documents for BoyChat and Free Spirits and then began a systematic campaign of harrassment against him. He would telephone Jim's residence at all hours of the night and scream random profanities at him. Echols often gave the impression of being highly intoxicated during these phone calls.<br />
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===Tygyr===<br />
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Echols lodged false accusations of child pornography against the BC poster known as Tygyr while Tygyr was attempting to emigrate to Canada. While crossing the border from the United States to Canada during that process, Tygyr was apprehended and briefly jailed by U.S. authorities on the strength of Echol's accusation. After a nearly two-year long investigation that involved confiscation of computer equipment and magnetic media, the charges against Tygyr were ordered to be dismissed with prejudice by a U.S. magistrate. The magistrate found that there was no evidence to support the charges and ruled that they could not be brought again. However, even given the absolute lack of any evidence after a thorough investigation, Tygyr was and remains barred from entering the United States. It is ironic to note that later on, Echols would in turn be denied entry to Canada himself.<br />
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==Disruptive tactics==<br />
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Besides his personal attacks on individual posters, Echols often attempted to disrupt BoyChat by posting identical messages in reply to dozens of messages, apparently selected at random, within very short periods of time. As an alternative, he would sometimes post his messages at the top of the board, reposting constantly until nothing remained on the main index except for his posts. These attacks significantly changed the philosophy of BC management which theretofore had been almost completely "hands off" with respect to editing the index or preventing any given individual from posting messages. While a few random posters, mostly anonymous purveyors of commercial messages, had been banned from posting before Echols appeared, the prevailing management practice was to allow anyone posting about boylove issues to have his say, whether positive or negative, supportive or condemning.<br />
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After it became clear that Echols was not going to stop his disruptive practices, a great debate ensued among BC posters as to the wisdom of possibly banning him from participating on BoyChat. After some weeks of discussion, Jimf3 announced BC's first long-term ban. Echols was the first identifiable person who was told that he was not welcome on BoyChat. The ban was quite difficult to enforce as Echols continued to post using a series of proxy servers and public terminals. At one point Tygyr was able to track him to a specific computer at a community college in northern California and was able to provide the text of death threats he was making against BC posters and proof that they came from the terminal in question. The college informed the [[FSC]] that they had banned Echols from entering the facility in the future in light of his harassment.<br />
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Another tactic of Echols was to frequently send notices with grossly false information to the ISPs and upstream providers of BoyChat in attempts to have the hosting accounts terminated. In several cases he was successful and several of his protests contributed to a large outage for [[Free Spirits]] websites in 2001.<br />
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==NAMBLA==<br />
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* In 1985, Echols makes a trip to New York where, posing as a boylover, he meets with officers of NAMBLA and gains a copy of the membership list.<br />
* In January 1992, Echols, along with a reporter from KRON-TV San Francisco, attended a NAMBLA meeting with a hidden camera and audio wire at the Potrero Hill Public Library. The resulting video and news of this meeting led to wide-spread hysteria and exposure but did not point out the legality of such a meeting.<br />
* In 1998, Echols publishes the NAMBLA membership list on his Better a Millstone website. <br />
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==Dubious past==<br />
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It's important to note that Echols' brushes with the law were numerous, and in some cases required years to resolve based on his constant pattern of evasion and manipulation with the courts. <br />
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==New Mexico boys' school==<br />
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In 1982, Echols abruptly left his employment with the New Mexico Boys School in Springer, NM after making unsubstantiated accusations of emotional, legal, physical, and sexual abuse of the boys in residence by some of the school's staff members. He claims to have had his life threatened by those involved. These accusations resulted in an expensive investigation, but no prosecutions. Echols settled in Colorado. <br />
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==The circus==<br />
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In 1998, Echols was hired by the Carson and Barnes circus as an "investigative journalist" whose job was to intimidate animal rights protesters. During one demonstration by Animal Emancipation Inc., Echols reportedly approached the protesters taking pictures and screaming "homophobic and sexist slurs". The police were called but found no crime in progress and requested the protesters to call again if anything happened. Not long after the police left, Echols again approached the group and grabbed and assaulted one of the protesters before witnesses. The police were called and Echols was arrested. The Carson and Barnes circus terminated their contract with Echols shortly afterwards. A trial resulted in a hung jury, which Animal Emancipation Inc. claimed was due to Echols imtimidating several jurors during the lunch break. A few days later Echols sent threatening emails and phone calls to several animal rights activists. <br />
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==Canadian border incident==<br />
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On 24 February 1999, Echols attempted to cross the border into Canada to attend a demonstration organized by [[Alan Walker]] against the British Columbia Supreme Court ruling ([[R vs Sharpe]]) on child pornography. He was refused entry to Canada on the grounds that he is "not of good character". Canadian Customs officers also seized 53 "computer disks" (type of media not specified) and two printed magazines containing photos of young boys in various states of nudity. Echols claims these are "examples" of [[child pornography]] that he had come to show during the rally.<br />
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On 15 June 1999, Echols received a reply to a complaint he filed with Citizenship and Immigration Canada on 1 April 1999 in which the CIC gave factual reasons for not allowing Echols entry into Canada.<br />
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==Sources==<br />
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http://www.safet.net/echols/tubome.html<br />
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http://web.archive.org/web/20001202203500/www.fpc.net/pages/tygyr/echols/echolspage.html<br />
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<div>__NOTOC__This article aims to list any person who has '''spread misinformation about [[pedophilia|pedophiles]] or promoted the ideology of [[child sexual abuse]]''' in public, but does ''not yet have a devoted article on this website''. It is intended to be a searchable resource and a repository for information on public persons, their activities, associations and colleagues, who may need to be researched more thoroughly. For articles already created, see [[:Category:People: Unsympathetic Activists]], [[:Category:People: Ranting AntiPeds]], [[:Category:People: Vigilantes]], [[:Category:People: Pseudoscientists]].<br />
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==Global-Corporate==<br />
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'''[[Bill Gates]]''' - "Introduced and steadfastly maintained the Windows software that greatly facilitated the creation of a powerful surveillance tool for the police states of the world", helped transform internet into criminal wire-trap. Corporation also supports nefarious media causes such as [[NBC]] and co-operates with [[Kelloggs]].<br />
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'''[[Rupert Murdoch]]''' - The most powerful man in global media, commonwealth monopoliser, master pornographer, supporter of sloppy news values, never questioning the established order.<br />
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==Celebrities, Media and Writers==<br />
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===[[National Profile: America|USA]]===<br />
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'''[[Jane Seymour]]''' - hosted the special "Break the Silence: Kids Against Child Abuse" on the CBS Television Network, Childhelp USA, [[UNICEF]], [[Child-Safe]] ambassador.<br />
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'''[[Nancy Grace]]''' - Court TV presenter, opinion journalist and McCarthyite hysteric who sides with the prosecution almost by default. Unprincipled opportunist.<br />
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'''[[Oprah Winfrey]]''' - Veteran TV talk-show host. Long time friend-of-the-establishment on child abuse issues, speaks from "experience" as to be unchallengeable. Famously went on air to state that "over 9000 [organised, pedophile] penises" are out to rape "our children".<br />
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'''[[Chris Hansen]]''' - Host of Dateline NBC's [[To Catch a Predator]], cult icon, makes money out of traumatising and incriminating entrapment victims.<br />
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'''[[John Walsh]]''' - Presenter of [[America's Most Wanted]], [[NCMEC]] key founder. Made money out of son Adam's death. Frequent talking head and supporter of parent-power child abuse programs.<br />
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'''[[Dr Laura]]''' - Family-values talk radio host who communicated with [[The Leadership Council]] during the [[Rind et al]] affair, pushing for congressional condemnation.<br />
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'''[[Kurt Eichenwald]]''' - Journalist who possibly paid [[Justin Berry]] to extract testimony, wrote "expose" of [[minor-attracted community]].<br />
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'''[[Ellen Bass]]''' and '''[[Laura Davis]]''' - Lesbian/feminist authors of [[The Courage to Heal]], a book which fuelled the [[Child Sexual Abuse]] panic.<br />
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Dr. '''[[Lawrence Pazder]]''' and '''[[Michelle Smith]]''' - Wrote [[Michelle Remembers]] and inspired the following [[Satanic Ritual Abuse]] fraud.<br />
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'''[[Cameron Giles]]''' - Rapper who at least proposed to harass entrapment victims and " not let them leave until we find out what's wrong with them"[http://www.contactmusic.com/new/xmlfeed.nsf/mndwebpages/camron%20to%20rid%20the%20world%20of%20paedophiles_16_02_2006]<br />
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'''[[Ricky Martin]]''' - Singer who started a foundation in his name (1996) and adopted CSA/Trafficking agenda 10 years later.[http://www.freewebtown.com/newsstand/archive/0458.html]<br />
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'''[[Richard Melville Hall]]''' - US DJ "Moby" has made statements indicating that he is sympathetic to the [[Child Sexual Abuse|CSA]] agenda.<br />
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'''[[Christopher Laro]]''' - Amateur film-maker who trolls the web accusing others of being the caricatured villains he portrays in his limited filmography.<br />
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===[[National Profile: Britain|UK]]===<br />
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'''Chris Ryan, Simon Cowell, Louis Walsh, Dale Winton, Daniella Westbrook, Bruce Jones, "Big" Ron Atkinson, Tricia Penrose, Barry Cryer, Dickie Bird, Sharon Henderson and the late Bernard Manning''' all support [[Sarah's Law]], writing emotion-laden endorsements for the [[News of the World]], actor, '''Danny Dyer''', who called for "stiffer sentences" for "paedophiles".<br />
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'''[[Richard Griffiths]]''' - Actor who repeatedly appears in the media, proposing bizarre and gruesome torture of pedophiles (see [[List of anti-pedophile quotes]]) whilst claiming at the same time to dislike children. Possible closet case.<br />
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'''[[Gabby Logan]]''' - TV presenter. Has done the introduction to the "Child-Safe in Sport" video, which was filmed at Wembley Stadium, England. [[Child-Safe]] ambassador. [[Sarah's Law]] supporter, "I think Sarah's Law is a great idea because anyone who commits this kind of crime against children has forsaken their right to civil liberties and freedom. A parent's right to protect their child is imperative."<br />
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'''[[Susan Osman]]''' - [[BBC]] News Presenter. [[Child-Safe]] endorsement/ambassador.<br />
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'''[[Nick Ross]]''' - TV presenter, [[Child-Safe]] ambassador/works for, generally crime-obsessed.<br />
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'''[[Mark Scott]]''' - (www.myspace.com/markscottone) Musician who used the death of [[Sarah Payne]] to advance his career, campaigning for [[Sarah's Law]] and using the fully supportive [[Rupert Murdoch|Murdoch media]] to achieve this aim. Has thus far failed, probably because he is an extremely bad musician.<br />
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'''[[Rebekah Wade]]''' - Editor of [[The Sun]], frequently ran "paedo" witch-hunt stories for [[The News of the World]].<br />
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'''[[Roger Moore]]''' - Ex actor and [[UNICEF]] ambassador, prone to making [http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5h_hqJUERbvygrUY5s_OfBL2PGtNA grand statements] on the sexual misery of children.<br />
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==Charity/NGO/Self-appointed/Professional==<br />
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===[[National Profile: America|USA]]===<br />
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'''[[Ernie Allen]]''' - [[NCMEC]] President & CEO.<br />
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'''[[Nikki Craft]]''' - Political activist/[[feminism|feminist]] who attacks the nudist movement.<br />
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'''[[Andrew Vachss]]''' - Lawyer/crime author/protection advocate/friend of the establishment.<br />
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'''[[Danielle Grijalva]]''' - Director of the Committee for Safety of Foreign Exchange Students (www.csfes.org, USA), advised on US Department of State regulations in this area. [[Child-Safe]] ambassador.<br />
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'''[[Wendell Kreuth]]''' - [[Predator Hunter]] vigilante.<br />
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'''[[Anita Bryant]]''' - Traditionalist of [[Save our Children]] fame. Believes that [[Homosexuality|homosexuals]] "recruit" children and then molest them.<br />
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'''[[Judith Cohen]]''' - MD and Child Psychiatrist, was the chief ‘expert witness' supporting the obscenely delusional [[Nicole Althaus]].<br />
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===[[National Profile: Britain|UK]]===<br />
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'''[[Michele Elliot]]''' - [[Kidscape]] figurehead, regularly appears on TV to incite hysteria and holds particularly backward views on parenting.<br />
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'''[[Claude Knights]]''' - [[Kidscape]] director.<br />
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'''[[Esther Rantzen]]''' - Prolific TV hostess who founded [[Childline]], [[NSPCC]] links, now admits her role in drumming up paranoia.<br />
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'''[[Sara Payne]]''' - Mother of the murdered girl, Sarah. Has ridden the wave of publicity surrounding her daughter's death, helped found [[Phoenix Survivors]], appointed MBE and Gov. "Victim's Champion".<br />
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'''[[Ray Wyre]]''' - Now dead child protection consultant.<br />
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'''[[John Carr]]''' - "Self appointed spokesman on child rights in Great Britain", [[NCH]] spoke.<br />
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'''[[Tracy Edwards]] MBE''' - Semi-celebrity and [[CEOP]] worker.<br />
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'''[[Marilyn Hawes]]''' - "Concerned Mum" who founded the [[Enough Abuse]] consultancy with [[Michele Elliot]] after her boys had sex with their headmaster.<br />
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'''[[Tink Palmer]] - [[Stop it Now]], [http://www.iwf.org.uk/corporate/page.68.166.htm IWF], '''<br />
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'''Kate and Gerry McCann''' - Monopolised on the kidnapping (or possibly their own disposal) of their [[Madeleine McCann|young daughter]], blaming "paedophilia" and calling for a Europe-wide [[Sex offender register]].<br />
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'''[[Kirk Wayne]]''' - Prolific and implausible accuser of [[Jonathan King]].<br />
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===[[National Profile: The Netherlands|Netherlands]]===<br />
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'''[[Ireen van Engelen]]''' - Dutch anti-pedo who investigated [[Ipce]].<br />
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===[[National Profile: Australia|Australia]]===<br />
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'''[[Hetty Johnston]]''' - [[White balloon day]] and [[Bravehearts]] founder, opportunist, unbounded hysteric/media advocate.<br />
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===[[National Profile: Sweden|Sweden]]===<br />
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'''[[Queen Silvia of Sweden]]''' - Frequent media-friendly agitator on [[Child Abuse]] and [[Child Pornography]], "World Childhood Foundation" figurehead, [[ECPAT]] patron.<br />
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==Legal==<br />
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===[[National Profile: America|USA]]===<br />
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'''[[Richard Blumenthal]]''' - Attorney General for Conn. He co-chairs the state attorney general task force on social networking sites (frequent media rabble-rouser on internet-related issues).<br />
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===[[National Profile: Britain|UK]]===<br />
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'''[[Sir Ronald Waterhouse]]''' - Former judge who headed Britain's biggest ever inquiry into child abuse. [[Sarah's Law]] supporter, spreads (probably knowingly) misinformation about recidivism.<br />
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==Police==<br />
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===[[National Profile: Britain|UK]]===<br />
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'''[[Jim Gamble]]''' - Currently heads [[CEOP]]. One of the most unwaveringly authoritarian of talking heads on this issue.<br />
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'''[[Lord Stevens]]''' - former Met Police Chief, [[Sarah's Law]] supporter.<br />
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'''[[Bob McLachlan]]''' - Former Head of Scotland Yard's Paedophile Squad, [[Sarah's Law]] supporter.<br />
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==Politicians==<br />
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===[[National Profile: America|USA]]===<br />
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Senator '''[[Florence Shapiro]]''' of Texas - In 1995, she authored a series of bills entitled ‘Ashley’s Laws’, introducing sex offender registration and increasing the measures for investigating, prosecuting and punishing SOs. The case involved was later dismissed due to DNA evidence. She continues her campaigning.<br />
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'''[[Jerry Keen]]''' and '''[[David Ralston]]''' - Georgia State Representatives, "two men most directly responsible for the passage of Georgia's draconian sex offender laws".<br />
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'''[[Bobby Jindal]]''' - Louisiana Governor, promises to fight Sex Offenders with new laws.<br />
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===[[National Profile: Britain|UK]]===<br />
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'''[[Charles Clarke]]''' - Former Home Secretary, frequently panders to hysteria, organises with CSA charities. [[Child-Safe]] endorsement.<br />
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'''[[John Reid]]''' - Former Home Secretary, frequently panders to hysteria, organises with CSA charities. [[Child-Safe]] endorsement.<br />
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'''[[Dan Norris]]''' - MP for Wansdyke (Somerset), frequently uses child sex to further his career, [[Sarah's Law]] supporter. "In 20 years of experience in child protection I have had the misfortune to work with many paedophiles".<br />
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'''[[Helena Kennedy]]''' - Baroness with a long history of CSA campaigning, including TV. Recently took up a civil-libertarian POV, though.<br />
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===[[National Profile: Ireland|Ireland]]===<br />
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'''[[Clifford Reid]]''' - Failed European Parliament candidate, ran on "stop the paedophiles" - a campaign to publicly identify and electronically tag all convicted sex offenders after their release.<br />
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===[[National Profile: Canada|Canada]]===<br />
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'''[[Landon Pearson]]''' - Vice-chair of the Canadian Commission for the International Year of the Child and editor of the report, "For Canada's Children: National Agenda for Action" in 1979; president then chair of the Canadian Council on Children and Youth from 1984-1990; founder and chair of the Canadian Coalition for the Rights of Children until her appointment to the Senate of Canada in 1994. Named personal representative of Prime Minister Jean Chretien to the 2001 Special Session on Children of the UN General Assembly in June 1999. [[Child-Safe]] ambassador.<br />
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===[[National Profile: Australia|Australia]]===<br />
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'''[[Vaughan Johnson]]''' - MP who called for pedophiles to kill themselves "If they all went and did it first up, we wouldn't have this problem. They must be guilty if they commit suicide ... maybe I am too harsh but I've got no time for that." (Did Johnson used to do witch trials in a previous life?)<br />
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==Academics and Mental Health==<br />
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===[[National Profile: America|USA]]===<br />
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'''[[Diana Russell]]''' - Radical [[feminism|feminist]] "researcher".<br />
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'''[[Len Sperry]]''' - A Medical Doctor and PhD who specialises in the "medicine" and "biology" of family relationships. Condemns what he calls pedophilia as an immoral act, a crime and a mental disorder.<br />
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'''[[Sharon Araji]]''' - Historically affiliated with [[David Finkelhor]], and presently University of Alaska. Writing with the agenda of expanding the envelope to "sexually violent" prepubescents.<br />
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'''[[David Spiegel]]''' - [[Leadership Council]] zealot who invoked "moral outrage" and "sleazy exploitation" in the [[Rind et al]] affair.<br />
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'''[[Joyanna Silberg]]''' - Prominent [[Leadership Council]] member, advocate of [[Dissociative identity Disorder]].<br />
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'''[[Ross Cheit]]''' - [[Leadership Council]] member.<br />
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'''[[Samuel Janus]]''' - Opportunist sexologist who wrote such tendentious works as ''The Death of Innocence - how our children are endangered by the new sexual freedom''.<br />
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'''[[Howard Barbaree]]''' - Argues for an over-broad, part-behavioural definition of [[pedophilia]] for the purpose of "taxonomic" efficiency.<br />
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'''[[Rolland Summitt]]''' - Recognised along with [[David Finkelhor|Finkelhor]] as a founding father of [[CSA]], used [[incest model]] to expand [[intrinsic harm]] theory in the 80s.<br />
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'''[[Jeffrey Masson]]''' - Influential writer of ''The Assault on Truth'', revived the concept of repressed memories of childhood sexual abuse ("seduction theory") by twisting [[Freud]].<br />
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'''[[Barbara Rogers]]''' - Therapist and opportunist. Author of ''Screams from Childhood''[http://www.screamsfromchildhood.com/biography.html]<br />
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'''Dr. [[Sharon Cooper]]''' - Talking head in the media, runs consultancy on child abuse.<br />
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===[[National Profile: Britain|UK]]===<br />
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'''[[Don Grubin]]''' - Newcastle University - based North American psychiatrist, implementing the harshest sex-offender treatments on trial by the government, including compulsory lie-detectors. Frequent talking head in the media.<br />
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===[[National Profile: Australia|Australia]]===<br />
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'''[[Freda Briggs]]''' - Emeritus Professor of Child Development at the University of South Australia, [[Child Abuse]] researcher, educator, writer. [[Child-Safe]] ambassador/[[Bravehearts]] supporter.<br />
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===[[National Profile: Israel|Israel]]===<br />
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'''[[Shmuel Vaknin]]''' - Self-promoting pseudo-academic who writes absurd and derogatory nonsense about pedophiles.<br />
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==Historical==<br />
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'''[[Jean Jacques Rousseau]]''' - A historical proponent of children's [[sexual innocence]].<br />
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==Web-nyms==<br />
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'''[[Antipaedo]]''' - On Youtube or "Jacey" of anti-paedo.blogspot.com and [[Absolute Zero]], a prolific writer and Photoshop artist for anti-pedophiles.<br />
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'''[[Marina H]]''' - Publicly known as Stitches77, lead-writer for hateblog [[Absolute Zero]].<br />
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'''[[Petra Luna]]''' - Amateur Myspace artist, youtube campaigner, declared "war on abuse", attempted to shut down [[Puellula]], one disastrous TV appearance.<br />
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==References==<br />
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For [[Child-Safe]] ambassadors, http://www.child-safe.org.uk/about/ambassadors/index.aspx<br />
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==External link==<br />
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*[http://reckoning.obu-investigators.com Day of Reckoning] - A similar profiling project.<br />
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<div>I am a writer whose interests include child sexuality and intergenerational relationships. During the eighties I wrote for the NAMBLA bulletin and in the nineties, for Paidika. I first became involved with Newgon in 2008 and posted a number of 'philosophical' pieces. I spend much time reading and editing Newgon Wiki.</div>Stephen Jameshttps://wiki.yesmap.net/wiki/index.php?title=User:Stephen_James&diff=5314User:Stephen James2009-06-26T10:04:13Z<p>Stephen James: </p>
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<div>I am a writer whose interests include child sexuality and intergenerational relationships. During the eighties I wrote for the NAMBLA bulletin and in the nineties, for Paidika. I first became involved with Newgon about a year ago and posted a number of 'philosophical' pieces. I spend much time reading and editing Newgon Wiki.</div>Stephen Jameshttps://wiki.yesmap.net/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Stephen_James&diff=5313User talk:Stephen James2009-06-26T09:40:58Z<p>Stephen James: Reverted edits by Stephen James (Talk) to last version by The Admins</p>
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<div>The user reverting edits is you. Unless you are hitting the wrong button, this is probably a fault in your account. I'm busy today, but it may be worthwhile googling the problem and reporting it on the forum, where you will have no technical faults impeding you. [[User:The Admins|The Admins]] 09:54, 25 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Primarily, I would recommend changing your password, in case your account has been hacked. [[User:The Admins|The Admins]] 09:59, 25 June 2009 (UTC)</div>Stephen Jameshttps://wiki.yesmap.net/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Stephen_James&diff=5312User talk:Stephen James2009-06-26T09:39:13Z<p>Stephen James: </p>
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<div>The user reverting edits is you. Unless you are hitting the wrong button, this is probably a fault in your account. I'm busy today, but it may be worthwhile googling the problem and reporting it on the forum, where you will have no technical faults impeding you. [[User:The Admins|The Admins]] 09:54, 25 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Primarily, I would recommend changing your password, in case your account has been hacked. [[User:The Admins|The Admins]] 09:59, 25 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
Experimenting</div>Stephen Jameshttps://wiki.yesmap.net/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Stephen_James&diff=5311User talk:Stephen James2009-06-26T09:36:29Z<p>Stephen James: Reverted edits by Stephen James (Talk) to last version by The Admins</p>
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<div>The user reverting edits is you. Unless you are hitting the wrong button, this is probably a fault in your account. I'm busy today, but it may be worthwhile googling the problem and reporting it on the forum, where you will have no technical faults impeding you. [[User:The Admins|The Admins]] 09:54, 25 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Primarily, I would recommend changing your password, in case your account has been hacked. [[User:The Admins|The Admins]] 09:59, 25 June 2009 (UTC)</div>Stephen Jameshttps://wiki.yesmap.net/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Stephen_James&diff=5310User talk:Stephen James2009-06-26T09:34:52Z<p>Stephen James: </p>
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<div>The user reverting edits is you. Unless you are hitting the wrong button, this is probably a fault in your account. I'm busy today, but it may be worthwhile googling the problem and reporting it on the forum, where you will have no technical faults impeding you. [[User:The Admins|The Admins]] 09:54, 25 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Primarily, I would recommend changing your password, in case your account has been hacked. [[User:The Admins|The Admins]] 09:59, 25 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
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Experimenting.</div>Stephen Jameshttps://wiki.yesmap.net/wiki/index.php?title=User:Stephen_James&diff=5298User:Stephen James2009-06-25T15:14:20Z<p>Stephen James: New page: I am a writer whose interests include child sexuality and intergenerational relationships.</p>
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<div>I am a writer whose interests include child sexuality and intergenerational relationships.</div>Stephen Jameshttps://wiki.yesmap.net/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Jillium&diff=5293User talk:Jillium2009-06-25T05:14:44Z<p>Stephen James: Reverted edits by Stephen James (Talk) to last version by The Admins</p>
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I think that it unclutters some pages. [[User:Rez|Rez (The Administrators - anonym)]] 13:29, 19 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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You appear to know about the detail not elaborated: http://newgon.com/wiki/List_of_hoax_pedophilia_organisations [[User:The Admins|The Admins]] 13:29, 23 June 2009 (UTC)</div>Stephen Jameshttps://wiki.yesmap.net/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Jillium&diff=5292User talk:Jillium2009-06-25T05:12:02Z<p>Stephen James: /* Rollbacks */ new section</p>
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I think that it unclutters some pages. [[User:Rez|Rez (The Administrators - anonym)]] 13:29, 19 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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You appear to know about the detail not elaborated: http://newgon.com/wiki/List_of_hoax_pedophilia_organisations [[User:The Admins|The Admins]] 13:29, 23 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
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A lot of my edits are being rolled back for no obvious reason (e.g. uncontroversial spelling/punctuation corrections). Can you explain?[[User:Stephen James|Stephen James]] 05:12, 25 June 2009 (UTC)</div>Stephen Jameshttps://wiki.yesmap.net/wiki/index.php?title=User:Jillium&diff=5291User:Jillium2009-06-25T05:05:13Z<p>Stephen James: Reverted edits by Stephen James (Talk) to last version by Daniel</p>
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<div><div style="text-align:center;font-size:400%">*</div><br />
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*[http://www.attractedtochildren.org/miscellaneous/iluv2surf Anne M. Cox - ILuv2Surf]<br />
*[http://www.attractedtochildren.org/miscellaneous/xavier-von-erck Xavier von Erck]<br />
*[http://www.attractedtochildren.org/ Paedophilia / Pedophilia]</div>Stephen Jameshttps://wiki.yesmap.net/wiki/index.php?title=User:Jillium&diff=5290User:Jillium2009-06-25T05:00:27Z<p>Stephen James: </p>
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<div><div style="text-align:center;font-size:400%">*</div><br />
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*[http://www.attractedtochildren.org/miscellaneous/iluv2surf Anne M. Cox - ILuv2Surf]<br />
*[http://www.attractedtochildren.org/miscellaneous/xavier-von-erck Xavier von Erck]<br />
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I've noticed that quite a lot of my edits have been rolled back but I can't see any rationale for those that have as opposed to those that haven't. Some of the rolled back edits are just uncontroversial changes to punctuation and spelling.[[User:Stephen James|Stephen James]] 05:00, 25 June 2009 (UTC)</div>Stephen Jameshttps://wiki.yesmap.net/wiki/index.php?title=Lawrence_A._Stanley&diff=5289Lawrence A. Stanley2009-06-25T04:56:07Z<p>Stephen James: Reverted edits by Stephen James (Talk) to last version by Jillium</p>
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<div>__NOTOC__'''Lawrence Allen Stanley''' is an [[American]] lawyer, writer and photography businessman who is currently facing spurious [[child pornography]] charges in [[Brazil]] (see [[minimodels injustice]]).<br />
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==Career==<br />
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Stanley made a career as a New York Attorney, defending in cases that included [[child pornography]]. At one point, he was said to have defended [[NAMbLA]].<br />
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Experience in this area lead Stanley to write articles on the subject of child pornography, notably ''"The Hysteria Over Child Pornography and Paedophilia"'' for [[Paidika]], later published in ''Playboy'' as ''"The Child Pornography Myth"''. In the article, Stanley contended that:<br />
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:''"The largest child-pornography ring in the United States is run by the Government. It is possible that without Uncle Sam, there would be no child-porn business."''<br />
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===Unverified claims===<br />
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Decidedly anti-pedophile sources allege that Stanley went on to build businesses around child pornography. Whilst Stanley is well known for the photography of girl-nudes, these claims of illegality do appear to be highly suspect.<br />
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====Publications====<br />
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The following titles are probably publications of Lawrence Stanley:<br />
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*Uncommon Desires (Girl photography)<br />
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Publication press/companies:<br />
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*Passion Press<br />
*Alessandra's Smile<br />
*Orphelia Press<br />
*Minimodels<br />
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==See also==<br />
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*[[Daniel Leuenberger]]<br />
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==External links==<br />
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*[http://home.att.net/~r.s.mccain/stanley.html Porn lawyer arrested in Brazil; charged with child exploitation, WT]<br />
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<div>'''Bruce Rind''' - formerly a psychology professor at Temple University, Philadelphia is an independent researcher in the field of intergenerational sexualities. Best known for his 1998 paper (published with [[Robert Bauserman]] and [[Philip Tromovitch]]) and the moral outrage it sparked in [[America]], Rind is unlikely to become a tenured professor.<br />
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Although capable in a range of psychological topics - notably communication and persuasion - Bruce Rind is best known for his controversial studies of intergenerational sexuality - particularly [[pederasty]] in its historical and modern contexts. In addition to this, Rind has been at the heart of numerous statistical analyses of sexology data new and old, also lecturing in the most advanced statistics courses.<br />
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==[[Rind et al|1998 Meta-analysis]]==<br />
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Published by Rind in 1998, [http://www.ipce.info/library_3/rbt/metaana.htm A Meta-Analytic Examination of Assumed Properties of Child Sexual Abuse Using College Samples] collated data from previous studies, concluding that:<br />
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:''"Self-reported reactions to and effects from CSA indicated that negative effects were neither pervasive nor typically intense, and that men reacted much less negatively than women. The college data were completely consistent with data from national samples. Basic beliefs about CSA in the general population were not supported."''<br />
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The study was condemned by a number conservative Talk Radio hosts and then formally so by the [[US]] house of Congress.<br />
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==See also==<br />
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*[[The Leadership Council]]<br />
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<div>'''Guy Strait''' (March 25, 1920-March, 1987), founded the first gay newspaper in San Francisco in 1961. By 1977, he had "cornered the market on the production of 'kiddie porn'".<br />
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It is belittling to dismiss Guy Strait as a child pornographer, or excuse him as a pornographer who strayed over the bounds into children, or explain him as a product of the San Francisco sixties counterculture. In some ways that counterculture was a product of Guy Strait. He published the city’s first gay newspapers in 1961. He defined that time and place: his 1967 essay “What is a Hippie?” is on college reading lists today. <br />
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== Early Life ==<br />
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Guy Strait was born in Texas in 1920, the tenth of eleven children. At the age of 18 he traveled across the Yucatan Peninsula photographing the unclad natives and passing out Bibles; in World War II he served in the Army; and in the early 1950's studied fine art at the Chicago Art Institute. He had a photography studio in San Francisco's Haight-Ashbury district in the 1960's. (Children in Chains, Clifford L. Linedecker, 1981)<br />
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== Appearance ==<br />
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The Illinois prosecutor who send Strait to jail said he "appears to be an intelligent, kind and affable cherub." The author Clifford L. Linedecker, who interviewed Strait in prison, describes him as having "a barrel body, thinning white hair that sticks straight out from his hair in clumps, a hearing aid, and reading glasses that slide down his nose disclosing watery blue eyes. He looked every bit a mischievous old troll." <br />
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==San Francisco==<br />
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In 1961 he organized a gay rights group, The League for Civil Education (LCE), and began to publish newspapers and magazines.<br />
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"In 1961, Guy Strait began publishing the first gay newspapers in San Francisco — the League for Civic Education News, the Citizen News, and Cruise News and World Report — from his offices on Minna Alley. These newspapers were available by subscription, but were also distributed free in gay bars and were sold openly at newsstands. These publications fostered a greater sense of gay visibility and laid the groundwork for gay political mobilization later in the decade." [http://web.archive.org/web/20061015011824/www.glbthistory.org/about/ourstory/lowermkt.lasso] Another source confirms that he "sought to politically organize gay bar patrons by distributing the paper for free." [http://www.friendsof1800.org/context_statement.pdf] One historian calls him a "bar-based activist". (Wide Open Town: A History of Queer San Francisco to 1965. Nan Alamilla Boyd,University of California Press, 2003)<br />
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Other Strait publications include a 1963 guide called The Lavender Baedeker and in 1967 the Haight-Ashbury Free Press and the Bar Rag. He signed some editorials as "the DOM", short for "Dirty Old Man".<br />
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Illinois Legislative Investigating Committee. Chicago, Ill. August 1980, p. 167.)<br />
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It is worth noting that at Strait's prime in the pornography business, the age of consent in many states was fourteen. While accusations involving pornographic films were bandied about in the press in the 1973 scandal, none of the 90 indictments were for pornography, and Strait was sent to prison not for filming three Rockford boys, but for taking one of them to bed afterwards.<br />
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Strait himself later unpretentiously described Cruise News as "earthy" and "muckraking" and said it was not very profitable. (Linedecker)<br />
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Mr. Strait's interest and publications were not confined to politics, however. "Through his political publications, Guy Strait advertised his photographic enterprise as well as his political views. He eventually renamed the paper Cruise News and World Report and devoted most of the back page to a section titled "Models Galore for Sketch Artists, Sculptors, and Others." Readers could order 8x10 photos of two dozen young men, all between the ages of 15 and 23" (p. 138, Strapped for Cash: A History of American Hustler Culture. Mack Friedman, Alyson Publishing, 2003)<br />
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==Guy Strait, Pornographer==<br />
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Strait later said he got into the pornography business when he was offered $2,000 each to lay out two magazines. The money was easy, the competition was low quality, and he already had "thousands of negatives". [[Robin Lloyd]] claims Strait was responsible for the "first of the commercial chicken magazines, Hombre, Chico, and Naked Boyhood were among the titles."<br />
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Strait told a Senate subcommittee that he wouldn't photograph children under fourteen for pornography. "Over fourteen, I don't consider them children. They're sexually mature. Let's say fourteen is not a child, thirteen may or may not be, and fifteen sure as hell is not." He claimed to have no trouble finding models. "No one jumps in front of a camera for money. These kids do it for ego. Take a youngster who has never been appreciated. You tell him he's good looking enough to be in front of a camera and people will want to see him and be interested." According to one of the reports of the Illinois Legislative Investigating Committee, he claims never to have filmed children in sexual activity with adults. (Sexual Exploitation of Children, a report to the General Assembly. Illinois Legislative Investigating Committee. Chicago, Ill. August 1980, p. 167.)<br />
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It is worth noting that at Strait's prime in the pornography business, the [[age of consent]] in many states was fourteen. While accusations involving pornographic films were bandied about in the press in the 1973 scandal, none of the 90 indictments were for pornography, and Strait was sent to prison not for filming three Rockford boys, but for taking one of them to bed afterwards. <br />
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==Los Angeles and Lyric==<br />
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An on-line source [http://web.archive.org/web/20031212205917/http:/arniesplace.freeyellow.com/bombast.html] claims Guy Strait moved to Los Angeles in 1970 and lived in a house on Roderick Place, a dead-end street next to the Forest Lawn Cemetery in Glendale. Linedecker says he lived in the Hollywood Hills and maintained a house trailer for editing film in Redwood City, south of San Francisco.<br />
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In Los Angeles he formed a distribution company, DOM-Lyric, in partnership with [[Lyric International]]. Lyric, whose most ambitious work was the full-length mainstream film [[The Genesis Children]], featuring [[Peter Glawson]] and other young actors. Lyric produced only "physique" photography, never pornography, but apparently found Strait's distribution network useful, however.<br />
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==Scandal, flight, prison and exile==<br />
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Strait was arrested in the fall of 1973, in the scandal that brought down Lyric and which the Meese Commission later called "the first child pornography ring [...] brought to public view." (Attorney General's Commission on Pornography (1986) PART 3: Law Enforcement Recommendations. Chapter 3, paragraph 5. [http://www.porn-report.com/303-child-pornography-law-recommendations.htm])<br />
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Strait and an associate were arrested before the others twelve accused in the scanal. Samples of Strait's work had turned up when a "sex ring" was broken up in Houston, and an unedited film was found by police in the Redwood City trailer. Strait says the film showed three boys and a girl, while Sgt. Lloyd Martin of the LAPD (who seems to be fixated on boys) mentions only the three boys. But apparently the Holiday Inn mirror reflected Strait with a 16mm camera on his shoulder.<br />
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Strait says he jumped bail and the charges were later dropped. Linedecker says he "became something of a cause celebré for a time." Robin Lloyd quotes one of Strait's magazines as saying he was in Turkey or Greece but that police thought he was in New York. He was actually in Rockford, Illinois. He was arrested in Phoenix, Arizona on April 23, 1976 and charged with a "nearly four-year-old incident in Rockford." (Something's wrong here, since that would be before he left California.) He served three years in prison in Illinois, first at Statesville Prison and then at Vienna Correctional Center. He was released in 1980, just after his sixtieth birthday. Online rumor says he left the country and died in exile in Europe. The Social Security Death Index Search on rootsweb.com (ssdi.rootsweb.com) gives his date of death as March, 1987. <br />
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==Size of the market==<br />
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According to the Chicago Tribune, Strait "was one of the nation's leading pornographers ... he had cornered the market on the production of ‘kiddie porn'."(Chicago Tribune, 17 May 1977, p. 1-8.)<br />
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Strait's actual volume of business is hard to be sure of. The Chicago Tribune ascribes to "police" an estimate that he made $5 to $7 million in his career. The high figure would average to just under $300,000 per year over his twenty year career. Linedecker's numbers are the unsupported figures of Lloyd, who claims DOM-Lyric put out ninety magazines with a wholesale price of $2.50, retail of $5.00, and initial print runs of 10,000, making a quarter million dollar gross. The print run is based on "distribution lists taken in police raids". Linedecker says the Illinois prosecutor told congressmen that Strait's distribution list had at one time 50,000 customers, but that Strait says there were 942 names. Strait's films were mail-order only, so the size of the distribution list is the upper limit for sales.<br />
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These numbers are skimpy, unverifiable, and inconsistent. Making sense of them is beyond the scope of this article. It seems clear however that if Guy Strait, the man with a "corner on the market" was averaging less than $300,000 a year total from many kinds of pornography, of which child porn was only a part, it's just not possible that child pornography was a multi-million dollar business in the 1970's. <br />
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==The boy who killed himself==<br />
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One of the few online sources on Strait mentions "the boy who killed himself in the affair involving the arrest of the photographer Guy Strait." Apparently one of the boys in Rockford committed suicide after testifying against Strait. Strait attributes the suicide to testifying; the various authors who mention him seem to take that attitude that if the boy had to testify the blame was all Strait's. However, the "affair" was not the scandal that brought down Lyric, and the boy was not one of the Lyric boys seen around [[the pool with the cinderblock walls]] at the Lyric studio. <br />
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==Guy Strait and J. Edgar Hoover==<br />
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Anthony Summers' J. Edgar Hoover biography, "Official and Confidential", says that an older associate of Lyric's owner took two boys from the Lyric studio down to Hoover in San Diego. Strait was the oldest of those arrested in the 1973 scandal. Linedecker says Strait "claims to be the first person to accuse Hoover of being a closet queen." Strait may have been the unidentified "older associate"; Summers and other clearly knew the name. <br />
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==Further Information==<br />
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There is an excellent chapter on Guy Strait in the 1981 Children in Chains by Clifford L. Linedecker. Linedecker, who has written a number of "true crime" popular books, mostly lets Strait have his say, as he explains on page 228: "This account is based on his version of his life and activities except where another source is specifically quoted or credited." Linedecker also corrects some of the wilder errors made by Robin Lloyd when discussing Strait in his highly unreliable 1976 book For Money or Love, that triggered the 1977 kiddie porn panic. He includes information on the models of cameras Strait used; the costs and raw-to-finished ratios of twelve-minute film loops; and means of avoiding piracy, such as lowering the quality of 8mm product and salting the mailing list with rabidly anti-porn clergy. Except where noted this account follows Linedecker, whose book is recommended to anyone with a deeper interest in Mr. Strait.<br />
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The report of the Illinois committee is also recommended; the committee actually did quite a bit of investigation. It deflates a lot of the wild numbers bandied about in the press, and exposes some of the McCarthyesque assertions of the anti-porn crusaders.<br />
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The Chicago Tribune articles are reprinted in Sexual Exploitation of Children, Hearings Before the Subcomm. on Crime of the House Comm. on the Judiciary, 95th Cong., 1st Sess. (1977) pp 428-42. The "statement of Guy Strait, producer of child pornography" appears in the same volume on pp 23-28.<br />
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<div>__NOTOC__This article aims to list any person who has '''spread misinformation about [[pedophilia|pedophiles]] or promoted the ideology of [[child sexual abuse]]''' in public, but does ''not yet have a devoted article on this website''. It is intended to be a searchable resource and a repository for information on public persons, their activities, associations and colleagues, who may need to be researched more thoroughly. For articles already created, see [[:Category:People: Unsympathetic Activists]], [[:Category:People: Ranting AntiPeds]], [[:Category:People: Vigilantes]], [[:Category:People: Pseudoscientists]].<br />
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==Global-Corporate==<br />
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'''[[Bill Gates]]''' - "Introduced and steadfastly maintained the Windows software that greatly facilitated the creation of a powerful surveillance tool for the police states of the world", helped transform internet into criminal wire-trap. Corporation also supports nefarious media causes such as [[NBC]] and co-operates with [[Kelloggs]].<br />
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'''[[Rupert Murdoch]]''' - The most powerful man in global media, commonwealth monopoliser, master pornographer, supporter of sloppy news values, never questioning the established order.<br />
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==Celebrities, Media and Writers==<br />
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===[[National Profile: America|USA]]===<br />
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'''[[Jane Seymour]]''' - hosted the special "Break the Silence: Kids Against Child Abuse" on the CBS Television Network, Childhelp USA, [[UNICEF]], [[Child-Safe]] ambassador.<br />
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'''[[Nancy Grace]]''' - Court TV presenter, opinion journalist and McCarthyite hysteric who sides with the prosecution almost by default. Unprincipled opportunist.<br />
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'''[[Oprah Winfrey]]''' - Veteran TV talk-show host. Long time friend-of-the-establishment on child abuse issues, speaks from "experience" as to be unchallengeable. Famously went on air to state that "over 9000 [organised, pedophile] penises" are out to rape "our children".<br />
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'''[[Chris Hansen]]''' - Host of Dateline NBC's [[To Catch a Predator]], cult icon, makes money out of traumatising and incriminating entrapment victims.<br />
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'''[[John Walsh]]''' - Presenter of [[America's Most Wanted]], [[NCMEC]] key founder. Made money out of son Adam's death. Frequent talking head and supporter of parent-power child abuse programs.<br />
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'''[[Dr Laura]]''' - Family-values talk radio host who communicated with [[The Leadership Council]] during the [[Rind et al]] affair, pushing for congressional condemnation.<br />
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'''[[Kurt Eichenwald]]''' - Journalist who possibly paid [[Justin Berry]] to extract testimony, wrote "expose" of [[minor-attracted community]].<br />
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'''[[Ellen Bass]]''' and '''[[Laura Davis]]''' - Lesbian/feminist authors of [[The Courage to Heal]], a book which fuelled the [[Child Sexual Abuse]] panic.<br />
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Dr. '''[[Lawrence Pazder]]''' and '''[[Michelle Smith]]''' - Wrote [[Michelle Remembers]] and inspired the following [[Satanic Ritual Abuse]] fraud.<br />
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'''[[Cameron Giles]]''' - Rapper who at least proposed to harass entrapment victims and " not let them leave until we find out what's wrong with them"[http://www.contactmusic.com/new/xmlfeed.nsf/mndwebpages/camron%20to%20rid%20the%20world%20of%20paedophiles_16_02_2006]<br />
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'''[[Ricky Martin]]''' - Singer who started a foundation in his name (1996) and adopted CSA/Trafficking agenda 10 years later.[http://www.freewebtown.com/newsstand/archive/0458.html]<br />
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'''[[Richard Melville Hall]]''' - US DJ "Moby" has made statements indicating that he is sympathetic to the [[Child Sexual Abuse|CSA]] agenda.<br />
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'''[[Christopher Laro]]''' - Amateur film-maker who trolls the web accusing others of being the caricatured villains he portrays in his limited filmography.<br />
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===[[National Profile: Britain|UK]]===<br />
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'''Chris Ryan, Simon Cowell, Louis Walsh, Dale Winton, Daniella Westbrook, Bruce Jones, "Big" Ron Atkinson, Tricia Penrose, Barry Cryer, Dickie Bird, Sharon Henderson and the late Bernard Manning''' all support [[Sarah's Law]], writing emotion-laden endorsements for the [[News of the World]], actor, '''Danny Dyer''' called for "stiffer sentences" for "paedophiles".<br />
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'''[[Richard Griffiths]]''' - Actor who repeatedly appears in the media, proposing bizarre and gruesome torture of pedophiles (see [[List of anti-pedophile quotes]]) whilst claiming at the same time to dislike children. Possible closet case.<br />
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'''[[Gabby Logan]]''' - TV presenter. Has done the introduction to the "Child-Safe in Sport" video, which was filmed at Wembley Stadium, England. [[Child-Safe]] ambassador. [[Sarah's Law]] supporter, "I think Sarah's Law is a great idea because anyone who commits this kind of crime against children has forsaken their right to civil liberties and freedom. A parents right to protect their child is imperative."<br />
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'''[[Susan Osman]]''' - [[BBC]] News Presenter. [[Child-Safe]] endorsement/ambassador.<br />
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'''[[Nick Ross]]''' - TV presenter, [[Child-Safe]] ambassador/works for, generally crime-obsessed.<br />
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'''[[Mark Scott]]''' - (www.myspace.com/markscottone) Musician who used the death of [[Sarah Payne]] to advance his career, campaigning for [[Sarah's Law]] and using the fully supportive [[Rupert Murdoch|Murdoch media]] to achieve this aim. Has thusfar failed, probably because he is an extremely bad musician.<br />
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'''[[Rebekah Wade]]''' - Editor of [[The Sun]], frequently ran "paedo" witch-hunt stories for [[The News of the World]].<br />
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'''[[Roger Moore]]''' - Ex actor and [[UNICEF]] ambassador, prone to making [http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5h_hqJUERbvygrUY5s_OfBL2PGtNA grand statements] on the sexual misery of children.<br />
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==Charity/NGO/Self-appointed/Professional==<br />
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===[[National Profile: America|USA]]===<br />
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'''[[Ernie Allen]]''' - [[NCMEC]] President & CEO.<br />
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'''[[Nikki Craft]]''' - Political activist/[[feminism|feminist]] who attacks the nudist movement.<br />
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'''[[Andrew Vachss]]''' - Lawyer/crime author/protection advocate/friend of the establishment.<br />
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'''[[Danielle Grijalva]]''' - Director of the Committee for Safety of Foreign Exchange Students (www.csfes.org, USA), advised on US Department of State regulations in this area. [[Child-Safe]] ambassador.<br />
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'''[[Wendell Kreuth]]''' - [[Predator Hunter]] vigilante.<br />
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'''[[Anita Bryant]]''' - Traditionalist of [[Save our Children]] fame. Believes that [[Homosexuality|homosexuals]] "recruit" children and then molest them.<br />
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'''[[Judith Cohen]]''' - MD and Child Psychiatrist, was the chief ‘expert witness’, supporting the obscenely delusional [[Nicole Althaus]].<br />
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===[[National Profile: Britain|UK]]===<br />
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'''[[Michele Elliot]]''' - [[Kidscape]] figurehead, regularly appears on TV to incite hysteria and holds particularly backward views on parenting.<br />
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'''[[Claude Knights]]''' - [[Kidscape]] director.<br />
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'''[[Esther Rantzen]]''' - Prolific TV hostess who founded [[Childline]], [[NSPCC]] links, now admits her role in drumming up paranoia.<br />
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'''[[Sara Payne]]''' - Mother of the murdered girl, Sarah. Has ridden the wave of publicity surrounding her daughter's death, helped found [[Phoenix Survivors]], appointed MBE and Gov. "Victim's Champion".<br />
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'''[[Ray Wyre]]''' - Now dead child protection consultant.<br />
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'''[[John Carr]]''' - "Self appointed spokesman on child rights in Great Britain", [[NCH]] spoke.<br />
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'''[[Tracy Edwards]] MBE''' - Semi-celebrity and [[CEOP]] worker.<br />
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'''[[Marilyn Hawes]]''' - "Concerned Mum" who founded the [[Enough Abuse]] consultancy with [[Michele Elliot]] after her boys had sex with their headmaster.<br />
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'''[[Tink Palmer]] - [[Stop it Now]], [http://www.iwf.org.uk/corporate/page.68.166.htm IWF], '''<br />
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'''Kate and Gerry McCann''' - Monopolised on the kidnapping (or possibly their own disposal) of their [[Madeleine McCann|young daughter]], blaming "paedophilia" and calling for a Europe-wide [[Sex offender register]].<br />
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'''[[Kirk Wayne]]''' - Prolific and implausible accuser of [[Jonathan King]].<br />
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===[[National Profile: The Netherlands|Netherlands]]===<br />
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'''[[Ireen van Engelen]]''' - Dutch anti-pedo who investigated [[Ipce]].<br />
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===[[National Profile: Australia|Australia]]===<br />
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'''[[Hetty Johnston]]''' - [[White balloon day]] and [[Bravehearts]] founder, opportunist, unbounded hysteric/media advocate.<br />
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===[[National Profile: Sweden|Sweden]]===<br />
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'''[[Queen Silvia of Sweden]]''' - Frequent media-friendly agitator on [[Child Abuse]] and [[Child Pornography]], "World Childhood Foundation" figurehead, [[ECPAT]] patron.<br />
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==Legal==<br />
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===[[National Profile: America|USA]]===<br />
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'''[[Richard Blumenthal]]''' - Attorney General for Conn. He co-chairs the state attorney general task force on social networking sites (frequent media rabble-rouser on internet-related issues).<br />
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===[[National Profile: Britain|UK]]===<br />
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'''[[Sir Ronald Waterhouse]]''' - Former judge who headed Britain's biggest ever inquiry into child abuse. [[Sarah's Law]] supporter, spreads (probably knowingly) misinformation about recidivism.<br />
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==Police==<br />
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===[[National Profile: Britain|UK]]===<br />
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'''[[Jim Gamble]]''' - Currently heads [[CEOP]]. One of the most unwaveringly authoritarian of talking heads on this issue.<br />
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'''[[Lord Stevens]]''' - former Met Police Chief, [[Sarah's Law]] supporter.<br />
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'''[[Bob McLachlan]]''' - Former Head of Scotland Yard's Paedophile Squad, [[Sarah's Law]] supporter.<br />
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==Politicians==<br />
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===[[National Profile: America|USA]]===<br />
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Senator '''[[Florence Shapiro]]''' of Texas - In 1995, she authored a series of bills entitled ‘Ashley’s Laws’, introducing sex offender registration and increasing the measures for investigating, prosecuting and punishing SOs. The case involved was later dismissed due to DNA evidence. She continues her campaigning.<br />
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'''[[Jerry Keen]]''' and '''[[David Ralston]]''' - Georgia State Representatives, "two men most directly responsible for the passage of Georgia's draconian sex offender laws".<br />
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'''[[Bobby Jindal]]''' - Louisiana Governor, promises to fight Sex Offenders with new laws.<br />
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===[[National Profile: Britain|UK]]===<br />
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'''[[Charles Clarke]]''' - Former Home Secretary, frequently panders to hysteria, organises with CSA charities. [[Child-Safe]] endorsement.<br />
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'''[[John Reid]]''' - Former Home Secretary, frequently panders to hysteria, organises with CSA charities. [[Child-Safe]] endorsement.<br />
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'''[[Dan Norris]]''' - MP for Wansdyke (Somerset), frequently uses child sex to further his career, [[Sarah's Law]] supporter. "In 20 years of experience in child protection I have had the misfortune to work with many paedophiles".<br />
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'''[[Helena Kennedy]]''' - Baroness with a long history of CSA campaigning, including TV. Recently took up a civil-libertarian POV, though.<br />
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===[[National Profile: Ireland|Ireland]]===<br />
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'''[[Clifford Reid]]''' - Failed European Parliament candidate, ran on "stop the paedophiles" - a campaign to publicly identify and electronically tag all convicted sex offenders after their release.<br />
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===[[National Profile: Canada|Canada]]===<br />
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'''[[Landon Pearson]]''' - Vice-chair of the Canadian Commission for the International Year of the Child and editor of the report, "For Canada's Children: National Agenda for Action" in 1979; president then chair of the Canadian Council on Children and Youth from 1984-1990; founder and chair of the Canadian Coalition for the Rights of Children until her appointment to the Senate of Canada in 1994. Named personal representative of Prime Minister Jean Chretien to the 2001 Special Session on Children of the UN General Assembly in June 1999. [[Child-Safe]] ambassador.<br />
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===[[National Profile: Australia|Australia]]===<br />
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'''[[Vaughan Johnson]]''' - MP who called for pedophiles to kill themselves "If they all went and did it first up, we wouldn't have this problem. They must be guilty if they commit suicide ... maybe I am too harsh but I've got no time for that." (Did Johnson used to do witch trials in a previous life?)<br />
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==Academics and Mental Health==<br />
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===[[National Profile: America|USA]]===<br />
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'''[[Diana Russell]]''' - Radical [[feminism|feminist]] "researcher".<br />
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'''[[Len Sperry]]''' - A Medical Doctor and PhD who specialises in the "medicine" and "biology" of family relationships. Condemns what he calls pedophilia as an immoral act, a crime and a mental disorder.<br />
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'''[[Sharon Araji]]''' - Historically affiliated with [[David Finkelhor]], and presently University of Alaska. Writing with the agenda of expanding the envelope to "sexually violent" prepubescents.<br />
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'''[[David Spiegel]]''' - [[Leadership Council]] zealot who invoked "moral outrage" and "sleazy exploitation" in the [[Rind et al]] affair.<br />
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'''[[Joyanna Silberg]]''' - Prominent [[Leadership Council]] member, advocate of [[Dissociative identity Disorder]].<br />
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'''[[Ross Cheit]]''' - [[Leadership Council]] member.<br />
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'''[[Samuel Janus]]''' - Opportunist sexologist who wrote such tendentious works as ''The Death of Innocence - how our children are endangered by the new sexual freedom''.<br />
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'''[[Howard Barbaree]]''' - Argues for an over broad, part-behavioural definition of [[pedophilia]] for the purpose of "taxonomic" efficiency.<br />
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'''[[Rolland Summitt]]''' - Recognised along with [[David Finkelhor|Finkelhor]] as a founding father of [[CSA]], used [[incest model]] to expand [[intrinsic harm]] theory in the 80s.<br />
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'''[[Jeffrey Masson]]''' - Influential writer of ''The Assault on Truth'', revived the concept of repressed memories of childhood sexual abuse ("seduction theory") by twisting [[Freud]].<br />
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'''[[Barbara Rogers]]''' - Therapist and opportunist. Author of ''Screams from Childhood''[http://www.screamsfromchildhood.com/biography.html]<br />
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'''Dr. [[Sharon Cooper]]''' - Talking head in the media, runs consultancy on child abuse.<br />
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===[[National Profile: Britain|UK]]===<br />
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'''[[Don Grubin]]''' - Newcastle University - based North American psychiatrist, implementing the harshest sex-offender treatments on trial by the government, including compulsory lie-detectors. Frequent talking head in the media.<br />
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===[[National Profile: Australia|Australia]]===<br />
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'''[[Freda Briggs]]''' - Emeritus Professor of Child Development at the University of South Australia, [[Child Abuse]] researcher, educator, writer. [[Child-Safe]] ambassador/[[Bravehearts]] supporter.<br />
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===[[National Profile: Israel|Israel]]===<br />
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'''[[Shmuel Vaknin]]''' - Self-promoting pseudo-academic who writes absurd and derogatory nonsense about pedophiles.<br />
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==Historical==<br />
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'''[[Jean Jacques Rousseau]]''' - A historical proponent of children's [[sexual innocence]].<br />
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==Web-nyms==<br />
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'''[[Antipaedo]]''' - On Youtube or "Jacey" of anti-paedo.blogspot.com and [[Absolute Zero]], a prolific writer and Photoshop artist for anti-pedophiles.<br />
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'''[[Marina H]]''' - Publicly known as Stitches77, lead-writer for hateblog [[Absolute Zero]].<br />
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'''[[Petra Luna]]''' - Amateur Myspace artist, youtube campaigner, declared "war on abuse", attempted to shut down [[Puellula]], one disastrous TV appearance.<br />
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==References==<br />
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For [[Child-Safe]] ambassadors, http://www.child-safe.org.uk/about/ambassadors/index.aspx<br />
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==External link==<br />
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*[http://reckoning.obu-investigators.com Day of Reckoning] - A similar profiling project.<br />
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<div>__NOTOC__This article aims to list any person who has '''spread misinformation about [[pedophilia|pedophiles]] or promoted the ideology of [[child sexual abuse]]''' in public, but does ''not yet have a devoted article on this website''. It is intended to be a searchable resource and a repository for information on public persons, their activities, associations and colleagues, who may need to be researched more thoroughly. For articles already created, see [[:Category:People: Unsympathetic Activists]], [[:Category:People: Ranting AntiPeds]], [[:Category:People: Vigilantes]], [[:Category:People: Pseudoscientists]].<br />
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==Global-Corporate==<br />
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'''[[Bill Gates]]''' - "Introduced and steadfastly maintained the Windows software that greatly facilitated the creation of a powerful surveillance tool for the police states of the world", helped transform internet into criminal wire-trap. Corporation also supports nefarious media causes such as [[NBC]] and co-operates with [[Kelloggs]].<br />
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'''[[Rupert Murdoch]]''' - The most powerful man in global media, commonwealth monopoliser, master pornographer, supporter of sloppy news values, never questioning the established order.<br />
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==Celebrities, Media and Writers==<br />
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===[[National Profile: America|USA]]===<br />
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'''[[Jane Seymour]]''' - hosted the special "Break the Silence: Kids Against Child Abuse" on the CBS Television Network, Childhelp USA, [[UNICEF]], [[Child-Safe]] ambassador.<br />
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'''[[Nancy Grace]]''' - Court TV presenter, opinion journalist and McCarthyite hysteric who sides with the prosecution almost by default. Unprincipled opportunist.<br />
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'''[[Oprah Winfrey]]''' - Veteran TV talk-show host. Long time friend-of-the-establishment on child abuse issues, speaks from "experience" as to be unchallengeable. Famously went on air to state that "over 9000 [organised, pedophile] penises" are out to rape "our children".<br />
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'''[[Chris Hansen]]''' - Host of Dateline NBC's [[To Catch a Predator]], cult icon, makes money out of traumatising and incriminating entrapment victims.<br />
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'''[[John Walsh]]''' - Presenter of [[America's Most Wanted]], [[NCMEC]] key founder. Made money out of son Adam's death. Frequent talking head and supporter of parent-power child abuse programs.<br />
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'''[[Dr Laura]]''' - Family-values talk radio host who communicated with [[The Leadership Council]] during the [[Rind et al]] affair, pushing for congressional condemnation.<br />
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'''[[Kurt Eichenwald]]''' - Journalist who possibly paid [[Justin Berry]] to extract testimony, wrote "expose" of [[minor-attracted community]].<br />
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'''[[Ellen Bass]]''' and '''[[Laura Davis]]''' - Lesbian/feminist authors of [[The Courage to Heal]], a book which fuelled the [[Child Sexual Abuse]] panic.<br />
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Dr. '''[[Lawrence Pazder]]''' and '''[[Michelle Smith]]''' - Wrote [[Michelle Remembers]] and inspired the following [[Satanic Ritual Abuse]] fraud.<br />
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'''[[Cameron Giles]]''' - Rapper who at least proposed to harass entrapment victims and " not let them leave until we find out what's wrong with them"[http://www.contactmusic.com/new/xmlfeed.nsf/mndwebpages/camron%20to%20rid%20the%20world%20of%20paedophiles_16_02_2006]<br />
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'''[[Ricky Martin]]''' - Singer who started a foundation in his name (1996) and adopted CSA/Trafficking agenda 10 years later.[http://www.freewebtown.com/newsstand/archive/0458.html]<br />
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'''[[Richard Melville Hall]]''' - US DJ "Moby" has made statements indicating that he is sympathetic to the [[Child Sexual Abuse|CSA]] agenda.<br />
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'''[[Christopher Laro]]''' - Amateur film-maker who trolls the web accusing others of being the caricatured villains he portrays in his limited filmography.<br />
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===[[National Profile: Britain|UK]]===<br />
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'''Chris Ryan, Simon Cowell, Louis Walsh, Dale Winton, Daniella Westbrook, Bruce Jones, "Big" Ron Atkinson, Tricia Penrose, Barry Cryer, Dickie Bird, Sharon Henderson and the late Bernard Manning''' all support [[Sarah's Law]], writing emotion-laden endorsements for the [[News of the World]], actor, '''Danny Dyer''', who called for "stiffer sentences" for "paedophiles".<br />
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'''[[Richard Griffiths]]''' - Actor who repeatedly appears in the media, proposing bizarre and gruesome torture of pedophiles (see [[List of anti-pedophile quotes]]) whilst claiming at the same time to dislike children. Possible closet case.<br />
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'''[[Gabby Logan]]''' - TV presenter. Has done the introduction to the "Child-Safe in Sport" video, which was filmed at Wembley Stadium, England. [[Child-Safe]] ambassador. [[Sarah's Law]] supporter, "I think Sarah's Law is a great idea because anyone who commits this kind of crime against children has forsaken their right to civil liberties and freedom. A parent's right to protect their child is imperative."<br />
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'''[[Susan Osman]]''' - [[BBC]] News Presenter. [[Child-Safe]] endorsement/ambassador.<br />
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'''[[Nick Ross]]''' - TV presenter, [[Child-Safe]] ambassador/works for, generally crime-obsessed.<br />
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'''[[Mark Scott]]''' - (www.myspace.com/markscottone) Musician who used the death of [[Sarah Payne]] to advance his career, campaigning for [[Sarah's Law]] and using the fully supportive [[Rupert Murdoch|Murdoch media]] to achieve this aim. Has thus far failed, probably because he is an extremely bad musician.<br />
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'''[[Rebekah Wade]]''' - Editor of [[The Sun]], frequently ran "paedo" witch-hunt stories for [[The News of the World]].<br />
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'''[[Roger Moore]]''' - Ex actor and [[UNICEF]] ambassador, prone to making [http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5h_hqJUERbvygrUY5s_OfBL2PGtNA grand statements] on the sexual misery of children.<br />
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==Charity/NGO/Self-appointed/Professional==<br />
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===[[National Profile: America|USA]]===<br />
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'''[[Ernie Allen]]''' - [[NCMEC]] President & CEO.<br />
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'''[[Nikki Craft]]''' - Political activist/[[feminism|feminist]] who attacks the nudist movement.<br />
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'''[[Andrew Vachss]]''' - Lawyer/crime author/protection advocate/friend of the establishment.<br />
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'''[[Danielle Grijalva]]''' - Director of the Committee for Safety of Foreign Exchange Students (www.csfes.org, USA), advised on US Department of State regulations in this area. [[Child-Safe]] ambassador.<br />
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'''[[Wendell Kreuth]]''' - [[Predator Hunter]] vigilante.<br />
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'''[[Anita Bryant]]''' - Traditionalist of [[Save our Children]] fame. Believes that [[Homosexuality|homosexuals]] "recruit" children and then molest them.<br />
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'''[[Judith Cohen]]''' - MD and Child Psychiatrist, was the chief ‘expert witness' supporting the obscenely delusional [[Nicole Althaus]].<br />
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===[[National Profile: Britain|UK]]===<br />
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'''[[Michele Elliot]]''' - [[Kidscape]] figurehead, regularly appears on TV to incite hysteria and holds particularly backward views on parenting.<br />
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'''[[Claude Knights]]''' - [[Kidscape]] director.<br />
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'''[[Esther Rantzen]]''' - Prolific TV hostess who founded [[Childline]], [[NSPCC]] links, now admits her role in drumming up paranoia.<br />
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'''[[Sara Payne]]''' - Mother of the murdered girl, Sarah. Has ridden the wave of publicity surrounding her daughter's death, helped found [[Phoenix Survivors]], appointed MBE and Gov. "Victim's Champion".<br />
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'''[[Ray Wyre]]''' - Now dead child protection consultant.<br />
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'''[[John Carr]]''' - "Self appointed spokesman on child rights in Great Britain", [[NCH]] spoke.<br />
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'''[[Tracy Edwards]] MBE''' - Semi-celebrity and [[CEOP]] worker.<br />
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'''[[Marilyn Hawes]]''' - "Concerned Mum" who founded the [[Enough Abuse]] consultancy with [[Michele Elliot]] after her boys had sex with their headmaster.<br />
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'''[[Tink Palmer]] - [[Stop it Now]], [http://www.iwf.org.uk/corporate/page.68.166.htm IWF], '''<br />
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'''Kate and Gerry McCann''' - Monopolised on the kidnapping (or possibly their own disposal) of their [[Madeleine McCann|young daughter]], blaming "paedophilia" and calling for a Europe-wide [[Sex offender register]].<br />
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'''[[Kirk Wayne]]''' - Prolific and implausible accuser of [[Jonathan King]].<br />
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===[[National Profile: The Netherlands|Netherlands]]===<br />
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'''[[Ireen van Engelen]]''' - Dutch anti-pedo who investigated [[Ipce]].<br />
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===[[National Profile: Australia|Australia]]===<br />
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'''[[Hetty Johnston]]''' - [[White balloon day]] and [[Bravehearts]] founder, opportunist, unbounded hysteric/media advocate.<br />
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===[[National Profile: Sweden|Sweden]]===<br />
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'''[[Queen Silvia of Sweden]]''' - Frequent media-friendly agitator on [[Child Abuse]] and [[Child Pornography]], "World Childhood Foundation" figurehead, [[ECPAT]] patron.<br />
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==Legal==<br />
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===[[National Profile: America|USA]]===<br />
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'''[[Richard Blumenthal]]''' - Attorney General for Conn. He co-chairs the state attorney general task force on social networking sites (frequent media rabble-rouser on internet-related issues).<br />
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===[[National Profile: Britain|UK]]===<br />
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'''[[Sir Ronald Waterhouse]]''' - Former judge who headed Britain's biggest ever inquiry into child abuse. [[Sarah's Law]] supporter, spreads (probably knowingly) misinformation about recidivism.<br />
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==Police==<br />
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===[[National Profile: Britain|UK]]===<br />
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'''[[Jim Gamble]]''' - Currently heads [[CEOP]]. One of the most unwaveringly authoritarian of talking heads on this issue.<br />
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'''[[Lord Stevens]]''' - former Met Police Chief, [[Sarah's Law]] supporter.<br />
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'''[[Bob McLachlan]]''' - Former Head of Scotland Yard's Paedophile Squad, [[Sarah's Law]] supporter.<br />
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==Politicians==<br />
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===[[National Profile: America|USA]]===<br />
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Senator '''[[Florence Shapiro]]''' of Texas - In 1995, she authored a series of bills entitled ‘Ashley’s Laws’, introducing sex offender registration and increasing the measures for investigating, prosecuting and punishing SOs. The case involved was later dismissed due to DNA evidence. She continues her campaigning.<br />
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'''[[Jerry Keen]]''' and '''[[David Ralston]]''' - Georgia State Representatives, "two men most directly responsible for the passage of Georgia's draconian sex offender laws".<br />
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'''[[Bobby Jindal]]''' - Louisiana Governor, promises to fight Sex Offenders with new laws.<br />
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===[[National Profile: Britain|UK]]===<br />
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'''[[Charles Clarke]]''' - Former Home Secretary, frequently panders to hysteria, organises with CSA charities. [[Child-Safe]] endorsement.<br />
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'''[[John Reid]]''' - Former Home Secretary, frequently panders to hysteria, organises with CSA charities. [[Child-Safe]] endorsement.<br />
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'''[[Dan Norris]]''' - MP for Wansdyke (Somerset), frequently uses child sex to further his career, [[Sarah's Law]] supporter. "In 20 years of experience in child protection I have had the misfortune to work with many paedophiles".<br />
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'''[[Helena Kennedy]]''' - Baroness with a long history of CSA campaigning, including TV. Recently took up a civil-libertarian POV, though.<br />
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===[[National Profile: Ireland|Ireland]]===<br />
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'''[[Clifford Reid]]''' - Failed European Parliament candidate, ran on "stop the paedophiles" - a campaign to publicly identify and electronically tag all convicted sex offenders after their release.<br />
<br />
===[[National Profile: Canada|Canada]]===<br />
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'''[[Landon Pearson]]''' - Vice-chair of the Canadian Commission for the International Year of the Child and editor of the report, "For Canada's Children: National Agenda for Action" in 1979; president then chair of the Canadian Council on Children and Youth from 1984-1990; founder and chair of the Canadian Coalition for the Rights of Children until her appointment to the Senate of Canada in 1994. Named personal representative of Prime Minister Jean Chretien to the 2001 Special Session on Children of the UN General Assembly in June 1999. [[Child-Safe]] ambassador.<br />
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===[[National Profile: Australia|Australia]]===<br />
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'''[[Vaughan Johnson]]''' - MP who called for pedophiles to kill themselves "If they all went and did it first up, we wouldn't have this problem. They must be guilty if they commit suicide ... maybe I am too harsh but I've got no time for that." (Did Johnson used to do witch trials in a previous life?)<br />
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==Academics and Mental Health==<br />
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===[[National Profile: America|USA]]===<br />
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'''[[Diana Russell]]''' - Radical [[feminism|feminist]] "researcher".<br />
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'''[[Len Sperry]]''' - A Medical Doctor and PhD who specialises in the "medicine" and "biology" of family relationships. Condemns what he calls pedophilia as an immoral act, a crime and a mental disorder.<br />
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'''[[Sharon Araji]]''' - Historically affiliated with [[David Finkelhor]], and presently University of Alaska. Writing with the agenda of expanding the envelope to "sexually violent" prepubescents.<br />
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'''[[David Spiegel]]''' - [[Leadership Council]] zealot who invoked "moral outrage" and "sleazy exploitation" in the [[Rind et al]] affair.<br />
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'''[[Joyanna Silberg]]''' - Prominent [[Leadership Council]] member, advocate of [[Dissociative identity Disorder]].<br />
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'''[[Ross Cheit]]''' - [[Leadership Council]] member.<br />
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'''[[Samuel Janus]]''' - Opportunist sexologist who wrote such tendentious works as ''The Death of Innocence - how our children are endangered by the new sexual freedom''.<br />
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'''[[Howard Barbaree]]''' - Argues for an over-broad, part-behavioural definition of [[pedophilia]] for the purpose of "taxonomic" efficiency.<br />
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'''[[Rolland Summitt]]''' - Recognised along with [[David Finkelhor|Finkelhor]] as a founding father of [[CSA]], used [[incest model]] to expand [[intrinsic harm]] theory in the 80s.<br />
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'''[[Jeffrey Masson]]''' - Influential writer of ''The Assault on Truth'', revived the concept of repressed memories of childhood sexual abuse ("seduction theory") by twisting [[Freud]].<br />
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'''[[Barbara Rogers]]''' - Therapist and opportunist. Author of ''Screams from Childhood''[http://www.screamsfromchildhood.com/biography.html]<br />
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'''Dr. [[Sharon Cooper]]''' - Talking head in the media, runs consultancy on child abuse.<br />
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===[[National Profile: Britain|UK]]===<br />
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'''[[Don Grubin]]''' - Newcastle University - based North American psychiatrist, implementing the harshest sex-offender treatments on trial by the government, including compulsory lie-detectors. Frequent talking head in the media.<br />
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===[[National Profile: Australia|Australia]]===<br />
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'''[[Freda Briggs]]''' - Emeritus Professor of Child Development at the University of South Australia, [[Child Abuse]] researcher, educator, writer. [[Child-Safe]] ambassador/[[Bravehearts]] supporter.<br />
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===[[National Profile: Israel|Israel]]===<br />
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'''[[Shmuel Vaknin]]''' - Self-promoting pseudo-academic who writes absurd and derogatory nonsense about pedophiles.<br />
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==Historical==<br />
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'''[[Jean Jacques Rousseau]]''' - A historical proponent of children's [[sexual innocence]].<br />
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==Web-nyms==<br />
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'''[[Antipaedo]]''' - On Youtube or "Jacey" of anti-paedo.blogspot.com and [[Absolute Zero]], a prolific writer and Photoshop artist for anti-pedophiles.<br />
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'''[[Marina H]]''' - Publicly known as Stitches77, lead-writer for hateblog [[Absolute Zero]].<br />
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'''[[Petra Luna]]''' - Amateur Myspace artist, youtube campaigner, declared "war on abuse", attempted to shut down [[Puellula]], one disastrous TV appearance.<br />
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==References==<br />
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For [[Child-Safe]] ambassadors, http://www.child-safe.org.uk/about/ambassadors/index.aspx<br />
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==External link==<br />
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*[http://reckoning.obu-investigators.com Day of Reckoning] - A similar profiling project.<br />
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[[Category:Official Encyclopedia]][[Category:People]][[Category:People: American]][[Category:People: British]][[Category:People: Australian]][[Category:People: Dutch]][[Category:People: Canadian]][[Category:People: Israeli]][[Category:People: Swedish]][[Category:People: Unknown Nationality]][[Category:People: Deceased]][[Category:People: Academics]][[Category:People: Adult or Minor sexually attracted to or involved with the other]][[Category:People: Ranting AntiPeds]][[Category:People: Unsympathetic Activists]][[Category:People: Popular Authors]][[Category:People: Pseudoscientists]][[Category:People: Media]][[Category:People: Vigilantes]]</div>Stephen Jameshttps://wiki.yesmap.net/wiki/index.php?title=List_of_CSA/anti-pedophile_proponents&diff=5284List of CSA/anti-pedophile proponents2009-06-25T04:30:42Z<p>Stephen James: /* USA */</p>
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<div>__NOTOC__This article aims to list any person who has '''spread misinformation about [[pedophilia|pedophiles]] or promoted the ideology of [[child sexual abuse]]''' in public, but does ''not yet have a devoted article on this website''. It is intended to be a searchable resource and a repository for information on public persons, their activities, associations and colleagues, who may need to be researched more thoroughly. For articles already created, see [[:Category:People: Unsympathetic Activists]], [[:Category:People: Ranting AntiPeds]], [[:Category:People: Vigilantes]], [[:Category:People: Pseudoscientists]].<br />
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==Global-Corporate==<br />
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'''[[Bill Gates]]''' - "Introduced and steadfastly maintained the Windows software that greatly facilitated the creation of a powerful surveillance tool for the police states of the world", helped transform internet into criminal wire-trap. Corporation also supports nefarious media causes such as [[NBC]] and co-operates with [[Kelloggs]].<br />
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'''[[Rupert Murdoch]]''' - The most powerful man in global media, commonwealth monopoliser, master pornographer, supporter of sloppy news values, never questioning the established order.<br />
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==Celebrities, Media and Writers==<br />
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===[[National Profile: America|USA]]===<br />
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'''[[Jane Seymour]]''' - hosted the special "Break the Silence: Kids Against Child Abuse" on the CBS Television Network, Childhelp USA, [[UNICEF]], [[Child-Safe]] ambassador.<br />
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'''[[Nancy Grace]]''' - Court TV presenter, opinion journalist and McCarthyite hysteric who sides with the prosecution almost by default. Unprincipled opportunist.<br />
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'''[[Oprah Winfrey]]''' - Veteran TV talk-show host. Long time friend-of-the-establishment on child abuse issues, speaks from "experience" as to be unchallengeable. Famously went on air to state that "over 9000 [organised, pedophile] penises" are out to rape "our children".<br />
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'''[[Chris Hansen]]''' - Host of Dateline NBC's [[To Catch a Predator]], cult icon, makes money out of traumatising and incriminating entrapment victims.<br />
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'''[[John Walsh]]''' - Presenter of [[America's Most Wanted]], [[NCMEC]] key founder. Made money out of son Adam's death. Frequent talking head and supporter of parent-power child abuse programs.<br />
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'''[[Dr Laura]]''' - Family-values talk radio host who communicated with [[The Leadership Council]] during the [[Rind et al]] affair, pushing for congressional condemnation.<br />
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'''[[Kurt Eichenwald]]''' - Journalist who possibly paid [[Justin Berry]] to extract testimony, wrote "expose" of [[minor-attracted community]].<br />
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'''[[Ellen Bass]]''' and '''[[Laura Davis]]''' - Lesbian/feminist authors of [[The Courage to Heal]], a book which fuelled the [[Child Sexual Abuse]] panic.<br />
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Dr. '''[[Lawrence Pazder]]''' and '''[[Michelle Smith]]''' - Wrote [[Michelle Remembers]] and inspired the following [[Satanic Ritual Abuse]] fraud.<br />
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'''[[Cameron Giles]]''' - Rapper who at least proposed to harass entrapment victims and " not let them leave until we find out what's wrong with them"[http://www.contactmusic.com/new/xmlfeed.nsf/mndwebpages/camron%20to%20rid%20the%20world%20of%20paedophiles_16_02_2006]<br />
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'''[[Ricky Martin]]''' - Singer who started a foundation in his name (1996) and adopted CSA/Trafficking agenda 10 years later.[http://www.freewebtown.com/newsstand/archive/0458.html]<br />
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'''[[Richard Melville Hall]]''' - US DJ "Moby" has made statements indicating that he is sympathetic to the [[Child Sexual Abuse|CSA]] agenda.<br />
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'''[[Christopher Laro]]''' - Amateur film-maker who trolls the web accusing others of being the caricatured villains he portrays in his limited filmography.<br />
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===[[National Profile: Britain|UK]]===<br />
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'''Chris Ryan, Simon Cowell, Louis Walsh, Dale Winton, Daniella Westbrook, Bruce Jones, "Big" Ron Atkinson, Tricia Penrose, Barry Cryer, Dickie Bird, Sharon Henderson and the late Bernard Manning''' all support [[Sarah's Law]], writing emotion-laden endorsements for the [[News of the World]], actor, '''Danny Dyer''', who called for "stiffer sentences" for "paedophiles".<br />
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'''[[Richard Griffiths]]''' - Actor who repeatedly appears in the media, proposing bizarre and gruesome torture of pedophiles (see [[List of anti-pedophile quotes]]) whilst claiming at the same time to dislike children. Possible closet case.<br />
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'''[[Gabby Logan]]''' - TV presenter. Has done the introduction to the "Child-Safe in Sport" video, which was filmed at Wembley Stadium, England. [[Child-Safe]] ambassador. [[Sarah's Law]] supporter, "I think Sarah's Law is a great idea because anyone who commits this kind of crime against children has forsaken their right to civil liberties and freedom. A parent's right to protect their child is imperative."<br />
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'''[[Susan Osman]]''' - [[BBC]] News Presenter. [[Child-Safe]] endorsement/ambassador.<br />
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'''[[Nick Ross]]''' - TV presenter, [[Child-Safe]] ambassador/works for, generally crime-obsessed.<br />
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'''[[Mark Scott]]''' - (www.myspace.com/markscottone) Musician who used the death of [[Sarah Payne]] to advance his career, campaigning for [[Sarah's Law]] and using the fully supportive [[Rupert Murdoch|Murdoch media]] to achieve this aim. Has thus far failed, probably because he is an extremely bad musician.<br />
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'''[[Rebekah Wade]]''' - Editor of [[The Sun]], frequently ran "paedo" witch-hunt stories for [[The News of the World]].<br />
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'''[[Roger Moore]]''' - Ex actor and [[UNICEF]] ambassador, prone to making [http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5h_hqJUERbvygrUY5s_OfBL2PGtNA grand statements] on the sexual misery of children.<br />
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==Charity/NGO/Self-appointed/Professional==<br />
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===[[National Profile: America|USA]]===<br />
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'''[[Ernie Allen]]''' - [[NCMEC]] President & CEO.<br />
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'''[[Nikki Craft]]''' - Political activist/[[feminism|feminist]] who attacks the nudist movement.<br />
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'''[[Andrew Vachss]]''' - Lawyer/crime author/protection advocate/friend of the establishment.<br />
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'''[[Danielle Grijalva]]''' - Director of the Committee for Safety of Foreign Exchange Students (www.csfes.org, USA), advised on US Department of State regulations in this area. [[Child-Safe]] ambassador.<br />
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'''[[Wendell Kreuth]]''' - [[Predator Hunter]] vigilante.<br />
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'''[[Anita Bryant]]''' - Traditionalist of [[Save our Children]] fame. Believes that [[Homosexuality|homosexuals]] "recruit" children and then molest them.<br />
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'''[[Judith Cohen]]''' - MD and Child Psychiatrist, was the chief ‘expert witness' supporting the obscenely delusional [[Nicole Althaus]].<br />
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===[[National Profile: Britain|UK]]===<br />
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'''[[Michele Elliot]]''' - [[Kidscape]] figurehead, regularly appears on TV to incite hysteria and holds particularly backward views on parenting.<br />
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'''[[Claude Knights]]''' - [[Kidscape]] director.<br />
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'''[[Esther Rantzen]]''' - Prolific TV hostess who founded [[Childline]], [[NSPCC]] links, now admits her role in drumming up paranoia.<br />
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'''[[Sara Payne]]''' - Mother of the murdered girl, Sarah. Has ridden the wave of publicity surrounding her daughter's death, helped found [[Phoenix Survivors]], appointed MBE and Gov. "Victim's Champion".<br />
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'''[[Ray Wyre]]''' - Now dead child protection consultant.<br />
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'''[[John Carr]]''' - "Self appointed spokesman on child rights in Great Britain", [[NCH]] spoke.<br />
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'''[[Tracy Edwards]] MBE''' - Semi-celebrity and [[CEOP]] worker.<br />
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'''[[Marilyn Hawes]]''' - "Concerned Mum" who founded the [[Enough Abuse]] consultancy with [[Michele Elliot]] after her boys had sex with their headmaster.<br />
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'''[[Tink Palmer]] - [[Stop it Now]], [http://www.iwf.org.uk/corporate/page.68.166.htm IWF], '''<br />
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'''Kate and Gerry McCann''' - Monopolised on the kidnapping (or possibly their own disposal) of their [[Madeleine McCann|young daughter]], blaming "paedophilia" and calling for a Europe-wide [[Sex offender register]].<br />
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'''[[Kirk Wayne]]''' - Prolific and implausible accuser of [[Jonathan King]].<br />
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===[[National Profile: The Netherlands|Netherlands]]===<br />
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'''[[Ireen van Engelen]]''' - Dutch anti-pedo who investigated [[Ipce]].<br />
<br />
===[[National Profile: Australia|Australia]]===<br />
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'''[[Hetty Johnston]]''' - [[White balloon day]] and [[Bravehearts]] founder, opportunist, unbounded hysteric/media advocate.<br />
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===[[National Profile: Sweden|Sweden]]===<br />
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'''[[Queen Silvia of Sweden]]''' - Frequent media-friendly agitator on [[Child Abuse]] and [[Child Pornography]], "World Childhood Foundation" figurehead, [[ECPAT]] patron.<br />
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==Legal==<br />
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===[[National Profile: America|USA]]===<br />
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'''[[Richard Blumenthal]]''' - Attorney General for Conn. He co-chairs the state attorney general task force on social networking sites (frequent media rabble-rouser on internet-related issues).<br />
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===[[National Profile: Britain|UK]]===<br />
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'''[[Sir Ronald Waterhouse]]''' - Former judge who headed Britain's biggest ever inquiry into child abuse. [[Sarah's Law]] supporter, spreads (probably knowingly) misinformation about recidivism.<br />
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==Police==<br />
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===[[National Profile: Britain|UK]]===<br />
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'''[[Jim Gamble]]''' - Currently heads [[CEOP]]. One of the most unwaveringly authoritarian of talking heads on this issue.<br />
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'''[[Lord Stevens]]''' - former Met Police Chief, [[Sarah's Law]] supporter.<br />
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'''[[Bob McLachlan]]''' - Former Head of Scotland Yard's Paedophile Squad, [[Sarah's Law]] supporter.<br />
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==Politicians==<br />
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===[[National Profile: America|USA]]===<br />
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Senator '''[[Florence Shapiro]]''' of Texas - In 1995, she authored a series of bills entitled ‘Ashley’s Laws’, introducing sex offender registration and increasing the measures for investigating, prosecuting and punishing SOs. The case involved was later dismissed due to DNA evidence. She continues her campaigning.<br />
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'''[[Jerry Keen]]''' and '''[[David Ralston]]''' - Georgia State Representatives, "two men most directly responsible for the passage of Georgia's draconian sex offender laws".<br />
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'''[[Bobby Jindal]]''' - Louisiana Governor, promises to fight Sex Offenders with new laws.<br />
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===[[National Profile: Britain|UK]]===<br />
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'''[[Charles Clarke]]''' - Former Home Secretary, frequently panders to hysteria, organises with CSA charities. [[Child-Safe]] endorsement.<br />
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'''[[John Reid]]''' - Former Home Secretary, frequently panders to hysteria, organises with CSA charities. [[Child-Safe]] endorsement.<br />
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'''[[Dan Norris]]''' - MP for Wansdyke (Somerset), frequently uses child sex to further his career, [[Sarah's Law]] supporter. "In 20 years of experience in child protection I have had the misfortune to work with many paedophiles".<br />
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'''[[Helena Kennedy]]''' - Baroness with a long history of CSA campaigning, including TV. Recently took up a civil-libertarian POV, though.<br />
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===[[National Profile: Ireland|Ireland]]===<br />
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'''[[Clifford Reid]]''' - Failed European Parliament candidate, ran on "stop the paedophiles" - a campaign to publicly identify and electronically tag all convicted sex offenders after their release.<br />
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===[[National Profile: Canada|Canada]]===<br />
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'''[[Landon Pearson]]''' - Vice-chair of the Canadian Commission for the International Year of the Child and editor of the report, "For Canada's Children: National Agenda for Action" in 1979; president then chair of the Canadian Council on Children and Youth from 1984-1990; founder and chair of the Canadian Coalition for the Rights of Children until her appointment to the Senate of Canada in 1994. Named personal representative of Prime Minister Jean Chretien to the 2001 Special Session on Children of the UN General Assembly in June 1999. [[Child-Safe]] ambassador.<br />
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===[[National Profile: Australia|Australia]]===<br />
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'''[[Vaughan Johnson]]''' - MP who called for pedophiles to kill themselves "If they all went and did it first up, we wouldn't have this problem. They must be guilty if they commit suicide ... maybe I am too harsh but I've got no time for that." (Did Johnson used to do witch trials in a previous life?)<br />
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==Academics and Mental Health==<br />
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===[[National Profile: America|USA]]===<br />
<br />
'''[[Diana Russell]]''' - Radical [[feminism|feminist]] "researcher".<br />
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'''[[Len Sperry]]''' - A Medical Doctor and PhD who specialises in the "medicine" and "biology" of family relationships. Condemns what he calls pedophilia as an immoral act, a crime and a mental disorder.<br />
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'''[[Sharon Araji]]''' - Historically affiliated with [[David Finkelhor]], and presently University of Alaska. Writing with the agenda of expanding the envelope to "sexually violent" prepubescents.<br />
<br />
'''[[David Spiegel]]''' - [[Leadership Council]] zealot who invoked "moral outrage" and "sleazy exploitation" in the [[Rind et al]] affair.<br />
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'''[[Joyanna Silberg]]''' - Prominent [[Leadership Council]] member, advocate of [[Dissociative identity Disorder]].<br />
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'''[[Ross Cheit]]''' - [[Leadership Council]] member.<br />
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'''[[Samuel Janus]]''' - Opportunist sexologist who wrote such tendentious works as ''The Death of Innocence - how our children are endangered by the new sexual freedom''.<br />
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'''[[Howard Barbaree]]''' - Argues for an over broad, part-behavioural definition of [[pedophilia]] for the purpose of "taxonomic" efficiency.<br />
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'''[[Rolland Summitt]]''' - Recognised along with [[David Finkelhor|Finkelhor]] as a founding father of [[CSA]], used [[incest model]] to expand [[intrinsic harm]] theory in the 80s.<br />
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'''[[Jeffrey Masson]]''' - Influential writer of ''The Assault on Truth'', revived the concept of repressed memories of childhood sexual abuse ("seduction theory") by twisting [[Freud]].<br />
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'''[[Barbara Rogers]]''' - Therapist and opportunist. Author of ''Screams from Childhood''[http://www.screamsfromchildhood.com/biography.html]<br />
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'''Dr. [[Sharon Cooper]]''' - Talking head in the media, runs consultancy on child abuse.<br />
<br />
===[[National Profile: Britain|UK]]===<br />
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'''[[Don Grubin]]''' - Newcastle University - based North American psychiatrist, implementing the harshest sex-offender treatments on trial by the government, including compulsory lie-detectors. Frequent talking head in the media.<br />
<br />
===[[National Profile: Australia|Australia]]===<br />
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'''[[Freda Briggs]]''' - Emeritus Professor of Child Development at the University of South Australia, [[Child Abuse]] researcher, educator, writer. [[Child-Safe]] ambassador/[[Bravehearts]] supporter.<br />
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===[[National Profile: Israel|Israel]]===<br />
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'''[[Shmuel Vaknin]]''' - Self-promoting pseudo-academic who writes absurd and derogatory nonsense about pedophiles.<br />
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==Historical==<br />
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'''[[Jean Jacques Rousseau]]''' - A historical proponent of children's [[sexual innocence]].<br />
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==Web-nyms==<br />
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'''[[Antipaedo]]''' - On Youtube or "Jacey" of anti-paedo.blogspot.com and [[Absolute Zero]], a prolific writer and Photoshop artist for anti-pedophiles.<br />
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'''[[Marina H]]''' - Publicly known as Stitches77, lead-writer for hateblog [[Absolute Zero]].<br />
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'''[[Petra Luna]]''' - Amateur Myspace artist, youtube campaigner, declared "war on abuse", attempted to shut down [[Puellula]], one disastrous TV appearance.<br />
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==References==<br />
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For [[Child-Safe]] ambassadors, http://www.child-safe.org.uk/about/ambassadors/index.aspx<br />
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==External link==<br />
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*[http://reckoning.obu-investigators.com Day of Reckoning] - A similar profiling project.<br />
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<div>__NOTOC__This article aims to list any person who has '''spread misinformation about [[pedophilia|pedophiles]] or promoted the ideology of [[child sexual abuse]]''' in public, but does ''not yet have a devoted article on this website''. It is intended to be a searchable resource and a repository for information on public persons, their activities, associations and colleagues, who may need to be researched more thoroughly. For articles already created, see [[:Category:People: Unsympathetic Activists]], [[:Category:People: Ranting AntiPeds]], [[:Category:People: Vigilantes]], [[:Category:People: Pseudoscientists]].<br />
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==Global-Corporate==<br />
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'''[[Bill Gates]]''' - "Introduced and steadfastly maintained the Windows software that greatly facilitated the creation of a powerful surveillance tool for the police states of the world", helped transform internet into criminal wire-trap. Corporation also supports nefarious media causes such as [[NBC]] and co-operates with [[Kelloggs]].<br />
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'''[[Rupert Murdoch]]''' - The most powerful man in global media, commonwealth monopoliser, master pornographer, supporter of sloppy news values, never questioning the established order.<br />
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==Celebrities, Media and Writers==<br />
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===[[National Profile: America|USA]]===<br />
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'''[[Jane Seymour]]''' - hosted the special "Break the Silence: Kids Against Child Abuse" on the CBS Television Network, Childhelp USA, [[UNICEF]], [[Child-Safe]] ambassador.<br />
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'''[[Nancy Grace]]''' - Court TV presenter, opinion journalist and McCarthyite hysteric who sides with the prosecution almost by default. Unprincipled opportunist.<br />
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'''[[Oprah Winfrey]]''' - Veteran TV talk-show host. Long time friend-of-the-establishment on child abuse issues, speaks from "experience" as to be unchallengeable. Famously went on air to state that "over 9000 [organised, pedophile] penises" are out to rape "our children".<br />
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'''[[Chris Hansen]]''' - Host of Dateline NBC's [[To Catch a Predator]], cult icon, makes money out of traumatising and incriminating entrapment victims.<br />
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'''[[John Walsh]]''' - Presenter of [[America's Most Wanted]], [[NCMEC]] key founder. Made money out of son Adam's death. Frequent talking head and supporter of parent-power child abuse programs.<br />
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'''[[Dr Laura]]''' - Family-values talk radio host who communicated with [[The Leadership Council]] during the [[Rind et al]] affair, pushing for congressional condemnation.<br />
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'''[[Kurt Eichenwald]]''' - Journalist who possibly paid [[Justin Berry]] to extract testimony, wrote "expose" of [[minor-attracted community]].<br />
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'''[[Ellen Bass]]''' and '''[[Laura Davis]]''' - Lesbian/feminist authors of [[The Courage to Heal]], a book which fuelled the [[Child Sexual Abuse]] panic.<br />
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Dr. '''[[Lawrence Pazder]]''' and '''[[Michelle Smith]]''' - Wrote [[Michelle Remembers]] and inspired the following [[Satanic Ritual Abuse]] fraud.<br />
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'''[[Cameron Giles]]''' - Rapper who at least proposed to harass entrapment victims and " not let them leave until we find out what's wrong with them"[http://www.contactmusic.com/new/xmlfeed.nsf/mndwebpages/camron%20to%20rid%20the%20world%20of%20paedophiles_16_02_2006]<br />
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'''[[Ricky Martin]]''' - Singer who started a foundation in his name (1996) and adopted CSA/Trafficking agenda 10 years later.[http://www.freewebtown.com/newsstand/archive/0458.html]<br />
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'''[[Richard Melville Hall]]''' - US DJ "Moby" has made statements indicating that he is sympathetic to the [[Child Sexual Abuse|CSA]] agenda.<br />
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'''[[Christopher Laro]]''' - Amateur film-maker who trolls the web accusing others of being the caricatured villains he portrays in his limited filmography.<br />
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===[[National Profile: Britain|UK]]===<br />
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'''Chris Ryan, Simon Cowell, Louis Walsh, Dale Winton, Daniella Westbrook, Bruce Jones, "Big" Ron Atkinson, Tricia Penrose, Barry Cryer, Dickie Bird, Sharon Henderson and the late Bernard Manning''' all support [[Sarah's Law]], writing emotion-laden endorsements for the [[News of the World]], actor, '''Danny Dyer''', who called for "stiffer sentences" for "paedophiles".<br />
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'''[[Richard Griffiths]]''' - Actor who repeatedly appears in the media, proposing bizarre and gruesome torture of pedophiles (see [[List of anti-pedophile quotes]]) whilst claiming at the same time to dislike children. Possible closet case.<br />
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'''[[Gabby Logan]]''' - TV presenter. Has done the introduction to the "Child-Safe in Sport" video, which was filmed at Wembley Stadium, England. [[Child-Safe]] ambassador. [[Sarah's Law]] supporter, "I think Sarah's Law is a great idea because anyone who commits this kind of crime against children has forsaken their right to civil liberties and freedom. A parent's right to protect their child is imperative."<br />
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'''[[Susan Osman]]''' - [[BBC]] News Presenter. [[Child-Safe]] endorsement/ambassador.<br />
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'''[[Nick Ross]]''' - TV presenter, [[Child-Safe]] ambassador/works for, generally crime-obsessed.<br />
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'''[[Mark Scott]]''' - (www.myspace.com/markscottone) Musician who used the death of [[Sarah Payne]] to advance his career, campaigning for [[Sarah's Law]] and using the fully supportive [[Rupert Murdoch|Murdoch media]] to achieve this aim. Has thus far failed, probably because he is an extremely bad musician.<br />
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'''[[Rebekah Wade]]''' - Editor of [[The Sun]], frequently ran "paedo" witch-hunt stories for [[The News of the World]].<br />
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'''[[Roger Moore]]''' - Ex actor and [[UNICEF]] ambassador, prone to making [http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5h_hqJUERbvygrUY5s_OfBL2PGtNA grand statements] on the sexual misery of children.<br />
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==Charity/NGO/Self-appointed/Professional==<br />
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===[[National Profile: America|USA]]===<br />
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'''[[Ernie Allen]]''' - [[NCMEC]] President & CEO.<br />
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'''[[Nikki Craft]]''' - Political activist/[[feminism|feminist]] who attacks the nudist movement.<br />
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'''[[Andrew Vachss]]''' - Lawyer/crime author/protection advocate/friend of the establishment.<br />
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'''[[Danielle Grijalva]]''' - Director of the Committee for Safety of Foreign Exchange Students (www.csfes.org, USA), advised on US Department of State regulations in this area. [[Child-Safe]] ambassador.<br />
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'''[[Wendell Kreuth]]''' - [[Predator Hunter]] vigilante.<br />
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'''[[Anita Bryant]]''' - Traditionalist of [[Save our Children]] fame. Believes that [[Homosexuality|homosexuals]] "recruit" children and then molest them.<br />
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'''[[Judith Cohen]]''' - MD and Child Psychiatrist was the chief ‘expert witness’, supporting the obscenely delusional [[Nicole Althaus]].<br />
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===[[National Profile: Britain|UK]]===<br />
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'''[[Michele Elliot]]''' - [[Kidscape]] figurehead, regularly appears on TV to incite hysteria and holds particularly backward views on parenting.<br />
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'''[[Claude Knights]]''' - [[Kidscape]] director.<br />
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'''[[Esther Rantzen]]''' - Prolific TV hostess who founded [[Childline]], [[NSPCC]] links, now admits her role in drumming up paranoia.<br />
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'''[[Sara Payne]]''' - Mother of the murdered girl, Sarah. Has ridden the wave of publicity surrounding her daughter's death, helped found [[Phoenix Survivors]], appointed MBE and Gov. "Victim's Champion".<br />
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'''[[Ray Wyre]]''' - Now dead child protection consultant.<br />
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'''[[John Carr]]''' - "Self appointed spokesman on child rights in Great Britain", [[NCH]] spoke.<br />
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'''[[Tracy Edwards]] MBE''' - Semi-celebrity and [[CEOP]] worker.<br />
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'''[[Marilyn Hawes]]''' - "Concerned Mum" who founded the [[Enough Abuse]] consultancy with [[Michele Elliot]] after her boys had sex with their headmaster.<br />
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'''[[Tink Palmer]] - [[Stop it Now]], [http://www.iwf.org.uk/corporate/page.68.166.htm IWF], '''<br />
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'''Kate and Gerry McCann''' - Monopolised on the kidnapping (or possibly their own disposal) of their [[Madeleine McCann|young daughter]], blaming "paedophilia" and calling for a Europe-wide [[Sex offender register]].<br />
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'''[[Kirk Wayne]]''' - Prolific and implausible accuser of [[Jonathan King]].<br />
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===[[National Profile: The Netherlands|Netherlands]]===<br />
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'''[[Ireen van Engelen]]''' - Dutch anti-pedo who investigated [[Ipce]].<br />
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===[[National Profile: Australia|Australia]]===<br />
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'''[[Hetty Johnston]]''' - [[White balloon day]] and [[Bravehearts]] founder, opportunist, unbounded hysteric/media advocate.<br />
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===[[National Profile: Sweden|Sweden]]===<br />
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'''[[Queen Silvia of Sweden]]''' - Frequent media-friendly agitator on [[Child Abuse]] and [[Child Pornography]], "World Childhood Foundation" figurehead, [[ECPAT]] patron.<br />
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==Legal==<br />
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===[[National Profile: America|USA]]===<br />
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'''[[Richard Blumenthal]]''' - Attorney General for Conn. He co-chairs the state attorney general task force on social networking sites (frequent media rabble-rouser on internet-related issues).<br />
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===[[National Profile: Britain|UK]]===<br />
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'''[[Sir Ronald Waterhouse]]''' - Former judge who headed Britain's biggest ever inquiry into child abuse. [[Sarah's Law]] supporter, spreads (probably knowingly) misinformation about recidivism.<br />
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==Police==<br />
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===[[National Profile: Britain|UK]]===<br />
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'''[[Jim Gamble]]''' - Currently heads [[CEOP]]. One of the most unwaveringly authoritarian of talking heads on this issue.<br />
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'''[[Lord Stevens]]''' - former Met Police Chief, [[Sarah's Law]] supporter.<br />
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'''[[Bob McLachlan]]''' - Former Head of Scotland Yard's Paedophile Squad, [[Sarah's Law]] supporter.<br />
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==Politicians==<br />
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===[[National Profile: America|USA]]===<br />
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Senator '''[[Florence Shapiro]]''' of Texas - In 1995, she authored a series of bills entitled ‘Ashley’s Laws’, introducing sex offender registration and increasing the measures for investigating, prosecuting and punishing SOs. The case involved was later dismissed due to DNA evidence. She continues her campaigning.<br />
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'''[[Jerry Keen]]''' and '''[[David Ralston]]''' - Georgia State Representatives, "two men most directly responsible for the passage of Georgia's draconian sex offender laws".<br />
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'''[[Bobby Jindal]]''' - Louisiana Governor, promises to fight Sex Offenders with new laws.<br />
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===[[National Profile: Britain|UK]]===<br />
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'''[[Charles Clarke]]''' - Former Home Secretary, frequently panders to hysteria, organises with CSA charities. [[Child-Safe]] endorsement.<br />
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'''[[John Reid]]''' - Former Home Secretary, frequently panders to hysteria, organises with CSA charities. [[Child-Safe]] endorsement.<br />
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'''[[Dan Norris]]''' - MP for Wansdyke (Somerset), frequently uses child sex to further his career, [[Sarah's Law]] supporter. "In 20 years of experience in child protection I have had the misfortune to work with many paedophiles".<br />
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'''[[Helena Kennedy]]''' - Baroness with a long history of CSA campaigning, including TV. Recently took up a civil-libertarian POV, though.<br />
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===[[National Profile: Ireland|Ireland]]===<br />
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'''[[Clifford Reid]]''' - Failed European Parliament candidate, ran on "stop the paedophiles" - a campaign to publicly identify and electronically tag all convicted sex offenders after their release.<br />
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===[[National Profile: Canada|Canada]]===<br />
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'''[[Landon Pearson]]''' - Vice-chair of the Canadian Commission for the International Year of the Child and editor of the report, "For Canada's Children: National Agenda for Action" in 1979; president then chair of the Canadian Council on Children and Youth from 1984-1990; founder and chair of the Canadian Coalition for the Rights of Children until her appointment to the Senate of Canada in 1994. Named personal representative of Prime Minister Jean Chretien to the 2001 Special Session on Children of the UN General Assembly in June 1999. [[Child-Safe]] ambassador.<br />
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===[[National Profile: Australia|Australia]]===<br />
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'''[[Vaughan Johnson]]''' - MP who called for pedophiles to kill themselves "If they all went and did it first up, we wouldn't have this problem. They must be guilty if they commit suicide ... maybe I am too harsh but I've got no time for that." (Did Johnson used to do witch trials in a previous life?)<br />
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==Academics and Mental Health==<br />
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===[[National Profile: America|USA]]===<br />
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'''[[Diana Russell]]''' - Radical [[feminism|feminist]] "researcher".<br />
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'''[[Len Sperry]]''' - A Medical Doctor and PhD who specialises in the "medicine" and "biology" of family relationships. Condemns what he calls pedophilia as an immoral act, a crime and a mental disorder.<br />
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'''[[Sharon Araji]]''' - Historically affiliated with [[David Finkelhor]], and presently University of Alaska. Writing with the agenda of expanding the envelope to "sexually violent" prepubescents.<br />
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'''[[David Spiegel]]''' - [[Leadership Council]] zealot who invoked "moral outrage" and "sleazy exploitation" in the [[Rind et al]] affair.<br />
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'''[[Joyanna Silberg]]''' - Prominent [[Leadership Council]] member, advocate of [[Dissociative identity Disorder]].<br />
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'''[[Ross Cheit]]''' - [[Leadership Council]] member.<br />
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'''[[Samuel Janus]]''' - Opportunist sexologist who wrote such tendentious works as ''The Death of Innocence - how our children are endangered by the new sexual freedom''.<br />
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'''[[Howard Barbaree]]''' - Argues for an over broad, part-behavioural definition of [[pedophilia]] for the purpose of "taxonomic" efficiency.<br />
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'''[[Rolland Summitt]]''' - Recognised along with [[David Finkelhor|Finkelhor]] as a founding father of [[CSA]], used [[incest model]] to expand [[intrinsic harm]] theory in the 80s.<br />
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'''[[Jeffrey Masson]]''' - Influential writer of ''The Assault on Truth'', revived the concept of repressed memories of childhood sexual abuse ("seduction theory") by twisting [[Freud]].<br />
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'''[[Barbara Rogers]]''' - Therapist and opportunist. Author of ''Screams from Childhood''[http://www.screamsfromchildhood.com/biography.html]<br />
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'''Dr. [[Sharon Cooper]]''' - Talking head in the media, runs consultancy on child abuse.<br />
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===[[National Profile: Britain|UK]]===<br />
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'''[[Don Grubin]]''' - Newcastle University - based North American psychiatrist, implementing the harshest sex-offender treatments on trial by the government, including compulsory lie-detectors. Frequent talking head in the media.<br />
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===[[National Profile: Australia|Australia]]===<br />
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'''[[Freda Briggs]]''' - Emeritus Professor of Child Development at the University of South Australia, [[Child Abuse]] researcher, educator, writer. [[Child-Safe]] ambassador/[[Bravehearts]] supporter.<br />
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===[[National Profile: Israel|Israel]]===<br />
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'''[[Shmuel Vaknin]]''' - Self-promoting pseudo-academic who writes absurd and derogatory nonsense about pedophiles.<br />
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==Historical==<br />
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'''[[Jean Jacques Rousseau]]''' - A historical proponent of children's [[sexual innocence]].<br />
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==Web-nyms==<br />
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'''[[Antipaedo]]''' - On Youtube or "Jacey" of anti-paedo.blogspot.com and [[Absolute Zero]], a prolific writer and Photoshop artist for anti-pedophiles.<br />
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'''[[Marina H]]''' - Publicly known as Stitches77, lead-writer for hateblog [[Absolute Zero]].<br />
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'''[[Petra Luna]]''' - Amateur Myspace artist, youtube campaigner, declared "war on abuse", attempted to shut down [[Puellula]], one disastrous TV appearance.<br />
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==References==<br />
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For [[Child-Safe]] ambassadors, http://www.child-safe.org.uk/about/ambassadors/index.aspx<br />
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==External link==<br />
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*[http://reckoning.obu-investigators.com Day of Reckoning] - A similar profiling project.<br />
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