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Vigilante/Hate-motivated Murder: linked California

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	[[File:Axtell.png\|thumb\|Formerly sectioned [[pedophobia\|pedophobic]] murderer Levi Axtell (right) received the support of his community]]		[[File:Axtell.png\|thumb\|Formerly sectioned [[pedophobia\|pedophobic]] murderer Levi Axtell (right) received the support of his community]]
	[[Wikipedia:Rocky Beamon\|Murder of sex offenders in jail]] is widespread, and in California, is twice as common as murder in the general prison population.<ref>[https://www.vice.com/en/article/why-sex-offenders-are-getting-slaughtered-in-california-prisons-218/ Vice on why sex offenders are getting slaughtered]</ref>		[[Wikipedia:Rocky Beamon\|Murder of sex offenders in jail]] is widespread, and in [[California]], is twice as common as murder in the general prison population.<ref>[https://www.vice.com/en/article/why-sex-offenders-are-getting-slaughtered-in-california-prisons-218/ Vice on why sex offenders are getting slaughtered]</ref>

	There are also [[Wikipedia:Snowtown murders\|numerous examples]] of murders not resulting directly from registered sex offender status, but instead hearsay in the local community re. a person's status. These include cases of mistaken identity, mistaken motive, and have reached such a point that it can be concluded light sentencing is directly encouraging the acts.<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20161217033917/https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1198221/vigilante-paedophile-hunter-jailed-for-life-for-murdering-dad-wrongly-accused-of-trying-to-meet-teenage-girl/ Vigilante paedophile hunter jailed for life for murdering dad wrongly accused of trying to meet teenage girl], [https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/apr/12/teenage-vigilantes-killed-darren-kelly-mistaken-paedophile-court 'Teenage vigilantes' killed man mistaken for paedophile, court told], [https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3330339/Millionaire-British-estate-agent-beat-death-German-paedophile-helped-launch-Katie-Price-s-clothes-range-catching-taking-pictures-children-set-spared-jail.html Millionaire British estate agent who beat German 'paedophile' to death after he took photos of his children in Spanish resort is to be spared jail]</ref> In one particularly disgusting 2022 example, a teenager who repeatedly and fatally stabbed her partner (later alleging he was "trafficking" her), escaped prison, later benefitting from a fundraiser to pay her fines.<ref>[https://www.gofundme.com/f/vxgt7q Pieper Lewis Gofundme, following deadly assault on 37 year old Zachary Brooks]</ref> The limits on the fundraiser were raised after it was exceded, and she was praised as "brave" in parts of the mainstream media:		There are also [[Wikipedia:Snowtown murders\|numerous examples]] of murders not resulting directly from registered sex offender status, but instead hearsay in the local community re. a person's status. These include cases of mistaken identity, mistaken motive, and have reached such a point that it can be concluded light sentencing is directly encouraging the acts.<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20161217033917/https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1198221/vigilante-paedophile-hunter-jailed-for-life-for-murdering-dad-wrongly-accused-of-trying-to-meet-teenage-girl/ Vigilante paedophile hunter jailed for life for murdering dad wrongly accused of trying to meet teenage girl], [https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/apr/12/teenage-vigilantes-killed-darren-kelly-mistaken-paedophile-court 'Teenage vigilantes' killed man mistaken for paedophile, court told], [https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3330339/Millionaire-British-estate-agent-beat-death-German-paedophile-helped-launch-Katie-Price-s-clothes-range-catching-taking-pictures-children-set-spared-jail.html Millionaire British estate agent who beat German 'paedophile' to death after he took photos of his children in Spanish resort is to be spared jail]</ref> In one particularly disgusting 2022 example, a teenager who repeatedly and fatally stabbed her partner (later alleging he was "trafficking" her), escaped prison, later benefitting from a fundraiser to pay her fines.<ref>[https://www.gofundme.com/f/vxgt7q Pieper Lewis Gofundme, following deadly assault on 37 year old Zachary Brooks]</ref> The limits on the fundraiser were raised after it was exceded, and she was praised as "brave" in parts of the mainstream media:

Consent

JJ1 — Fri, 22 May 2026 21:18:11 GMT

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	'''In one example, that is correct at the time of writing:'''		'''In one example, that is correct at the time of writing:'''

	*A teen who lived in Washington State could legally consent to sex with an older partner of 22 for example. But if they traveled to California the next day, the same person could not legally consent to sex with another 16-year-old, because there is no "Romeo and Juliet" exemption under Californian law, and the age of consent is 18. Legally, both teens would be committing sexual assault on one another, while in turn, both being assaulted!		*A teen who lived in Washington State could legally consent to sex with an older partner of 22 for example. But if they traveled to [[California]] the next day, the same person could not legally consent to sex with another 16-year-old, because there is no "Romeo and Juliet" exemption under Californian law, and the age of consent is 18. Legally, both teens would be committing sexual assault on one another, while in turn, both being assaulted!

	== ''"Informed Consent"'' ==		== ''"Informed Consent"'' ==

California

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	This makes it a legal mine field for young adults to date and sleep with people at a similar age. There is a risk that one of the partners lies about their age, so people sometimes ask each other for government identification, which can become an unromantic formality.<ref>[https://archive.today/2025.07.01-011740/https://www.reddit.com/r/NoStupidQuestions/comments/8ol8d8/should_you_ask_to_see_a_girls_id_before_sleeping/ Should you ask to see a girls ID before sleeping with her? : NoStupidQuestions] - Reddit</ref>		This makes it a legal mine field for young adults to date and sleep with people at a similar age. There is a risk that one of the partners lies about their age, so people sometimes ask each other for government identification, which can become an unromantic formality.<ref>[https://archive.today/2025.07.01-011740/https://www.reddit.com/r/NoStupidQuestions/comments/8ol8d8/should_you_ask_to_see_a_girls_id_before_sleeping/ Should you ask to see a girls ID before sleeping with her? : NoStupidQuestions] - Reddit</ref>

			As of 2008<!--no more recent data found-->, California spent more money maintaining the sex offender registry than every other individual US state.<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20081231152817/http://www.justicepolicy.org/images/upload/08-08_FAC_SORNACosts_JJ.pdf What will it cost states to comply with the Sex Offender Registration and Notification Act?] - Justice Policy Institute</ref>

	== International impact ==		== International impact ==

User talk:Jim Burton

JJ1 — Fri, 22 May 2026 13:56:11 GMT

Thank you!

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The Right-wing and Minor Attraction

Jim Burton — Mon, 18 May 2026 14:40:27 GMT

Reasons for supporting the right among MAPs and AAMs

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	==Minor attraction and the Right Wing==		==Minor attraction and the Right Wing==

	Despite [[Vigilantism\|pedo-bashing]] being a favorite ~~past-time~~ among different identarian groups, many such accusations of [[Anti\|MAP tendencies and projection / hypocrisy among right-wingers]], are partially or fully based on the truth. In the case of the political right, within the contexts of both Asian and European politics (and its derivatives), there's a long-storied connection to minor-attraction / youth love, often driven by traditionalism and a romantic view of the past, whilst religion also plays a major role.		Despite [[Vigilantism\|pedo-bashing]] being a favorite pastime among different identarian groups, many such accusations of [[Anti\|MAP tendencies and projection / hypocrisy among right-wingers]], are partially or fully based on the truth. In the case of the political right, within the contexts of both Asian and European politics (and its derivatives), there's a long-storied connection to minor-attraction / youth love, often driven by traditionalism and a romantic view of the past, whilst religion also plays a major role.

	This article will discuss the phenomenon of minor attraction from the perspective of the political right, outlining many figures who have made supportive statements about [[MAP]]s and (often) voluntary age-gap sexual contact.		This article will discuss the phenomenon of minor attraction from the perspective of the political right, outlining many figures who have made supportive statements about [[MAP]]s and (often) voluntary age-gap sexual contact.
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	Critics of the political Left's emphasis on egalitarianism and equality in all contexts argue that the leftist talking point of age-gap relationships being inherently abusive due to power imbalances derives from the same principles of radical individualism and absolute bodily autonomy used by pro-C MAPs in political discourse, with the critics pointing out that power imbalances are inherent in all personal relationships, thus questioning whether MAPs should engage in the dialectic of radical individualism and bodily autonomy instead of breaking said dialectic.		Critics of the political Left's emphasis on egalitarianism and equality in all contexts argue that the leftist talking point of age-gap relationships being inherently abusive due to power imbalances derives from the same principles of radical individualism and absolute bodily autonomy used by pro-C MAPs in political discourse, with the critics pointing out that power imbalances are inherent in all personal relationships, thus questioning whether MAPs should engage in the dialectic of radical individualism and bodily autonomy instead of breaking said dialectic.

	Within the community of male boylovers, certain aspects hold appeal. The neoclassical aesthetic, with its emphasis on beauty and harmony, resonates deeply. Moreover, there's a fascination with the pedagogic tradition underpinning historical pederastic practices, where older mentors guided and educated younger individuals. Additionally, the concept of a mature man forming an intimate bond with a young boy, sharing experiences, and understanding of masculinity, serves as a cornerstone of attraction for some. These elements contribute to the multifaceted discourse surrounding rightist MAP advocacy within different forms of attraction.		Within the community of male boylovers, certain aspects hold appeal. The neoclassical aesthetic, with its emphasis on beauty and harmony, resonates deeply. Moreover, there's a [[Erastoconservatism\|fascination with the pedagogic tradition]] underpinning historical pederastic practices, where older mentors guided and educated younger individuals. Additionally, the concept of a mature man forming an intimate bond with a young boy, sharing experiences, and understanding of masculinity, serves as a cornerstone of attraction for some. These elements contribute to the multifaceted discourse surrounding rightist MAP advocacy within different forms of attraction.

	===Old-school Republicans and Libertarians===		===Old-school Republicans and Libertarians===

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	\| style="padding: 1em; background: none; line-height:1.5em;" \| [[MAPocalypse\|"Normalization"]] \| [[Grooming\|"Groomer"]] \| [[Transgender youth and attraction to minors\|Trans Kids]] <br> [[Validity Policing]] \| [[Lolicon-MAP Equivalence Debate\|Lolicon Debate]] <br> [[Historical examples of LGBT-MAP unity\|MAP & LGBT Alliances]] \| [[Proship]] <br> [[Pedophobia]] \| [[Vigilantism]] \| [[Moral panic]] <br> [[Masculism]] \| [[Feminism]] \| [[Queer]]<br> [[Ageism]] \| [[Censorship]] \| [["Pedophile Activism" hoaxes\|Hoax pedophilia]] <br> [[Anti]] \| [[Pro-recovery]] \| [[Alternative Initialism]] <br> [[Transage]] \| [[Kinky Kids]] \| [[Assimilationism]] <br> [[The Right-wing and Minor Attraction\|Right-wing politics]] \| [[Communism]] <br> [[~~Activist model~~]] <br> [[~~Erastoconservatism~~]] ~~(pro-pederasty)~~		\| style="padding: 1em; background: none; line-height:1.5em;" \| [[MAPocalypse\|"Normalization"]] \| [[Grooming\|"Groomer"]] \| [[Transgender youth and attraction to minors\|Trans Kids]] <br> [[Validity Policing]] \| [[Lolicon-MAP Equivalence Debate\|Lolicon Debate]] <br> [[Historical examples of LGBT-MAP unity\|MAP & LGBT Alliances]] \| [[Proship]] <br> [[Pedophobia]] \| [[Vigilantism]] \| [[Moral panic]] <br> [[Masculism]] \| [[Feminism]] \| [[Queer]]<br> [[Ageism]] \| [[Censorship]] \| [["Pedophile Activism" hoaxes\|Hoax pedophilia]] <br> [[Anti]] \| [[Pro-recovery]] \| [[Alternative Initialism]] <br> [[Transage]] \| [[Kinky Kids]] \| [[Assimilationism]] <br> [[The Right-wing and Minor Attraction\|Right-wing politics]] \| [[Communism]] <br> [[Erastoconservatism]] (pro-pederasty) <br> [[Activist model]]
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Feminism

Prue — Mon, 18 May 2026 13:31:56 GMT

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	At present, adjacent movements such as pro-sex work, sex-positive, and [[Wikipedia:Carceral feminism\|anti-carceral]] feminism are more likely to hold positions that pro-choice MAP and youth rights activists may hold, including the recognition that [[Research:_Commercial_and_online_sexual_exploitation\|minors choose and want]] to engage in sex and sex work, and that prisons and public registration for lawbreakers are ineffective strategies for reducing the incidence of unlawful erotic behavior, especially when law makes no distinctions between mutually willing eroticism and unwanted, violent assaults, and criminalizes minors for [[consent\|consensual]] erotic activity with other minors (Levine and Meiners<ref>[http://library.lol/main/13B331C61A42685FEE3ECF8BD1F0BD99 The Feminist and the Sex Offender]</ref> 2020; Taylor<ref>[https://wapercyfoundation.org/?page_id=1086 News & Resources: review – Taylor: ‘Foucault, Feminism, & Sex Crimes’]</ref> 2018).		At present, adjacent movements such as pro-sex work, sex-positive, and [[Wikipedia:Carceral feminism\|anti-carceral]] feminism are more likely to hold positions that pro-choice MAP and youth rights activists may hold, including the recognition that [[Research:_Commercial_and_online_sexual_exploitation\|minors choose and want]] to engage in sex and sex work, and that prisons and public registration for lawbreakers are ineffective strategies for reducing the incidence of unlawful erotic behavior, especially when law makes no distinctions between mutually willing eroticism and unwanted, violent assaults, and criminalizes minors for [[consent\|consensual]] erotic activity with other minors (Levine and Meiners<ref>[http://library.lol/main/13B331C61A42685FEE3ECF8BD1F0BD99 The Feminist and the Sex Offender]</ref> 2020; Taylor<ref>[https://wapercyfoundation.org/?page_id=1086 News & Resources: review – Taylor: ‘Foucault, Feminism, & Sex Crimes’]</ref> 2018).

	The influence of sex-positive and anti-carceral feminism remains marginal in comparison to the dominance of carceral feminism (Angela Davis et al.<ref>[http://library.lol/main/018C1834DB2D87853010DEB45DC25067 Abolition. Feminism. Now.]</ref> 2022; Aya Gruber, 2020<ref>See Aya Gruber, ''The Feminist War on Crime: The Unexpected Role of Women's Liberation in Mass Incarceration'' (University of California Press, 2020).</ref>). It could be said that the loathing felt by some [[Minor Attracted People\|MAPs]], particularly [[boylovers]] towards feminists as a group is similar in magnitude to the derision which present day feminists show towards boy-attracted males. For an account of activism against the MAP-youth rights organization NAMBLA, written by a self-identified feminist, see the 1992 issue of Women's magazine ''Off Our Backs'' [[Media:Off_Our_Backs_-_1992_-_Anti-NAMBLA_Activism.pdf\|here]]. For a well-read and articulate feminist critique of common [[pro-c]] arguments, see the work of Sheila Jeffreys.<ref>See ‘PAEDOPHILIA’, in ''Anticlimax: A Feminist Perspective on the Sexual Revolution'' (1990), pp. 134-149.; CHAPTER 5 The Paedophile Liberation Movement, in ''Penile Imperialism: The Male Sex Right and Women's Subordination'' (2022).</ref>		The influence of sex-positive and anti-carceral feminism remains marginal in comparison to the dominance of carceral feminism (Angela Davis et al.<ref>[http://library.lol/main/018C1834DB2D87853010DEB45DC25067 Abolition. Feminism. Now.]</ref> 2022; Aya Gruber, 2020<ref>See Aya Gruber, ''The Feminist War on Crime: The Unexpected Role of Women's Liberation in Mass Incarceration'' (University of California Press, 2020).</ref>, etc.).<ref>Amia Srinivasan, [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Right_to_Sex ''The Right to Sex: Feminism in the Twenty-First Century''] (Bloomsbury, 2021), pp. 170-71. [See [https://www.boychat.org/messages/1583018.htm quote on Boychat]]. [See [https://annas-archive.gl/md5/cb5d9c5ddef6afa61be6949bdac044d2 Annas Archive for PDF link]].</ref> It could be said that the loathing felt by some [[Minor Attracted People\|MAPs]], particularly [[boylovers]] towards feminists as a group is similar in magnitude to the derision which present day feminists show towards boy-attracted males. For an account of activism against the MAP-youth rights organization NAMBLA, written by a self-identified feminist, see the 1992 issue of Women's magazine ''Off Our Backs'' [[Media:Off_Our_Backs_-_1992_-_Anti-NAMBLA_Activism.pdf\|here]]. For a well-read and articulate feminist critique of common [[pro-c]] arguments, see the work of Sheila Jeffreys.<ref>See ‘PAEDOPHILIA’, in ''Anticlimax: A Feminist Perspective on the Sexual Revolution'' (1990), pp. 134-149.; CHAPTER 5 The Paedophile Liberation Movement, in ''Penile Imperialism: The Male Sex Right and Women's Subordination'' (2022).</ref>

	==Reasons for loathing of "feminism" among MAPs==		==Reasons for loathing of "feminism" among MAPs==

Baron Corvo

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	*Simon Gatrel, (2016). [https://muse.jhu.edu/article/603480/pdf An Archaeologist’s Approach to Baron Corvo], ''English Literature in Transition, 1880-1920'', Volume 59, Number 2, pp. 245-248. (Review).		*Simon Gatrel, (2016). [https://muse.jhu.edu/article/603480/pdf An Archaeologist’s Approach to Baron Corvo], ''English Literature in Transition, 1880-1920'', Volume 59, Number 2, pp. 245-248. (Review).

			*Donald A. Rosenthal, ''The photographs of Frederick Rolfe, Baron Corvo, 1860-1913'' (Asphodel Editions: North Pomfret, Vermont, 2008). [ISBN-10: 1893450252 ; ISBN-13: 978-1893450257]. - The first compilation of the photographic works of Frederick Rolfe (Baron Corvo), with full documentation of his photographic career and an essay by the editor Donald Rosenthal. Note that this print edition was limited to 250 copies.

	[[Category:Official Encyclopedia]] [[Category:Gay]][[Category:Art]][[Category:People]][[Category:People: British]][[Category:People: Deceased]][[Category:People: Adult or Minor sexually attracted to or involved with the other]][[Category:People: Artists and Poets]][[Category:History & Events: Italian]][[Category:History & Events: 19th C]][[Category:History & Events: 1900s]][[Category:History & Events: 1910s]][[Category:People: Historical minor-attracted figures]]		[[Category:Official Encyclopedia]] [[Category:Gay]][[Category:Art]][[Category:People]][[Category:People: British]][[Category:People: Deceased]][[Category:People: Adult or Minor sexually attracted to or involved with the other]][[Category:People: Artists and Poets]][[Category:History & Events: Italian]][[Category:History & Events: 19th C]][[Category:History & Events: 1900s]][[Category:History & Events: 1910s]][[Category:People: Historical minor-attracted figures]]

Edward Mark Slocum

Prue — Mon, 18 May 2026 13:00:21 GMT

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	[[File:Slocum passport application 1918.jpg\|thumb\|Rare photo of Slocum taken from his 1918 passport application]]Dr. '''Edward Mark Slocum''' (Aug 7, 1886 - Aug 6, 1946), was an obscure [[Uranian Poetry\|Uranian]] poet, professional chemist and graduate of Columbia University, who published the first ever anthology of homosexual literature to be published in America - [[Men and Boys: An Anthology (1924)]]. He also published ''Lads O’ the Sun: Memories'' (1928), which, having a very limited circulation, included his own poetry and photographs. A very rare 88 page biographical study of Slocum's life was published by Donald A. Rosenthal, entitled ''An Arcadian Photographer in Manhattan: Edward Mark Slocum'', ~~published by~~ Callum James Books, ~~Portsmouth, England, in~~ 2012. In the 1930s when homosexuality was still despised and unpopular, Slocum published very early scholarship on homosexuality (including [[pederasty]]) in the lives and writings of poet and playwright William Shakespeare's contemporaries, titled "Sex-deviation in Shakespeare's associates"<ref>[https://snaccooperative.org/vocab_administrator/resources/7956646 Sex-deviation in Shakespeare's associates] [manuscript record]</ref> According to [[William Percy]] (below), Professor David P. Mackay describes a typescript of these essays as "the first full scale study of homoeroticism in the early modern theater."		[[File:Slocum passport application 1918.jpg\|thumb\|Rare photo of Slocum taken from his 1918 passport application]]Dr. '''Edward Mark Slocum''' (Aug 7, 1886 - Aug 6, 1946), was an obscure [[Uranian Poetry\|Uranian]] poet, professional chemist and graduate of Columbia University, who published the first ever anthology of homosexual literature to be published in America - [[Men and Boys: An Anthology (1924)]]. He also published ''Lads O’ the Sun: Memories'' (1928), which, having a very limited circulation, included his own poetry and photographs. A very rare 88 page biographical study of Slocum's life was published by Donald A. Rosenthal, entitled ''An Arcadian Photographer in Manhattan: Edward Mark Slocum'' (2012).<ref>See Donald A. Rosenthal, ''An Arcadian Photographer in Manhattan: Edward Mark Slocum'' (Portsmouth, England: Callum James Books, 2012). [[https://annas-archive.gl/md5/fc7598c7f9bd56e97969e711dd02a331 Annas Archive PDF link here]].</ref> In the 1930s when homosexuality was still despised and unpopular, Slocum published very early scholarship on homosexuality (including [[pederasty]]) in the lives and writings of poet and playwright William Shakespeare's contemporaries, titled "Sex-deviation in Shakespeare's associates"<ref>[https://snaccooperative.org/vocab_administrator/resources/7956646 Sex-deviation in Shakespeare's associates] [manuscript record]</ref> According to [[William Percy]] (below), Professor David P. Mackay describes a typescript of these essays as "the first full scale study of homoeroticism in the early modern theater."

	Gay historian [[William Percy\|William Armstrong Percy]] wrote a review of Rosenthal's biography which gives some details of Slocum's life.<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20170712063654/https://williamapercy.com/wiki/index.php?title=An_Arcadian_Photographer_in_Manhattan An Arcadian Photographer in Manhattan (archive)]</ref> Percy's review is as follows:		Gay historian [[William Percy\|William Armstrong Percy]] wrote a review of Rosenthal's biography which gives some details of Slocum's life.<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20170712063654/https://williamapercy.com/wiki/index.php?title=An_Arcadian_Photographer_in_Manhattan An Arcadian Photographer in Manhattan (archive)]</ref> Percy's review is as follows:

	*''Review of Donald ~~Rosenthal’s~~ An Arcadian Photographer in Manhattan: Edward Mark Slocum.'' Callum James Books (2012), 80 pages. by William A. Percy		*''Review of Donald Rosenthal's [https://annas-archive.gl/md5/fc7598c7f9bd56e97969e711dd02a331 An Arcadian Photographer in Manhattan: Edward Mark Slocum].'' Callum James Books (2012), 80 pages. by William A. Percy

	This is the first study of photographs by Edward Mark Slocum (1882-1945). Living in Manhattan in the 1920s, Slocum, a chemist by profession, took many photographs of nude young men and boys, circulating them under a variety of pseudonyms.		This is the first study of photographs by Edward Mark Slocum (1882-1945). Living in Manhattan in the 1920s, Slocum, a chemist by profession, took many photographs of nude young men and boys, circulating them under a variety of pseudonyms.

List of anti-MAP quotes

Jim Burton — Sat, 16 May 2026 13:54:50 GMT

Age Neurosis

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			File:06b20ee4c21b8d51.png\|If you are into young adults, STAY AWAY FROM CHILDREN!
			File:B6037416eac5723b.png\|Teens only capable of deciding what's for dinner
	File:Crinkle.png\|ABDL take on icky Hebephiles		File:Crinkle.png\|ABDL take on icky Hebephiles
	File:2c907bd2-0d5f-4613-8c0e-9b87067efc25.png\|Ganymede is child porn		File:2c907bd2-0d5f-4613-8c0e-9b87067efc25.png\|Ganymede is child porn

Debate Guide: Queers and the Left

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	I am not going to upload them again, I just want them for my meme collection. Thank you. [[User:JJ1\|JJ1]] ([[User talk:JJ1\|talk]]) 21:38, 13 May 2026 (UTC)		I am not going to upload them again, I just want them for my meme collection. Thank you. [[User:JJ1\|JJ1]] ([[User talk:JJ1\|talk]]) 21:38, 13 May 2026 (UTC)

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User talk:Jim Burton

JJ1 — Wed, 13 May 2026 21:38:40 GMT

Copies of unused files: new section

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== Copies of unused files ==

Hello, Jim. Would you mind emailing me a copy of these memes that were deleted for being unused?

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I am not going to upload them again, I just want them for my meme collection. Thank you. [[User:JJ1|JJ1]] ([[User talk:JJ1|talk]]) 21:38, 13 May 2026 (UTC)

Attraction ≠ Action

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	Similarly [[Lolicon]]s and [[proship]]pers have argued that "fiction ≠ reality".		Similarly [[Lolicon]]s and [[proship]]pers have argued that "fiction ≠ reality".

	===Attraction is not Intention===		==Relevance==

			The speed with which Westerners and [[Anti]]s ascribe ''behavior or intention'' to MAPs in constructing a ''demonology'' of "Pedophiles", has been seen as curious by MAPs themselves, and as a kind of hypersexualization.

			Some MAPs and other authors have suggested this phenomenon is of relevance to psychological [[Debate Guide: Self-loathing hatred\|reaction-formation]]. In other words, parents (for example), who experience feelings of attraction toward their own children, have a need to distinguish these attractions from socially stigmatized forms of attraction such as pedophilia. Therefore, their psychological defense mechanism is to ascribe behavior, intention and malign motive to the "typical" pedophile.

			==Attraction is not Intention==

	A finer point that is sometimes made by [[pro-c]] MAPs in response to charges they want to engage in sex with a minor, or will so inevitably, is that one's attraction or inclination is not equivalent to intention.		A finer point that is sometimes made by [[pro-c]] MAPs in response to charges they want to engage in sex with a minor, or will so inevitably, is that one's attraction or inclination is not equivalent to intention.
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	Simply being a pedophile or hebephile does not mean that an individual is irresistibly driven towards engaging any child or minor in "sex acts", when he or she comes into contact with them. No more so than a [[Teleiophilia\|teleiophile]] is uncontrollable around all young adults.		Simply being a pedophile or hebephile does not mean that an individual is irresistibly driven towards engaging any child or minor in "sex acts", when he or she comes into contact with them. No more so than a [[Teleiophilia\|teleiophile]] is uncontrollable around all young adults.

	~~==Relevance==~~

	~~The speed at which Westerners and [[Anti]]s ascribe ''behavior or intention'' to MAPs, in constructing a ''demonology'' of "Pedophiles", has been seen as curious by MAPs themselves, for some time.~~

	Some MAPs and other authors have suggested this phenomenon is of relevance to psychological [[Debate Guide: Self-loathing hatred\|reaction-formation]]. In other words, parents (for example), who experience feelings of attraction toward their own children, have a need to distinguish these attractions from socially stigmatized forms of attraction such as pedophilia. Therefore, their psychological defense mechanism is to ascribe behavior, intention and malign motive to the "typical" pedophile.

	[[Category:Official Encyclopedia]]		[[Category:Official Encyclopedia]]

Debate Guide: There is no law that prohibits minors

Jim Burton — Mon, 11 May 2026 00:20:39 GMT

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Prue — Mon, 11 May 2026 00:17:19 GMT

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	*[[Intergenerational Lesbianism]] is largely by me, including the summary of historian Amanda H. Littauer's 2020 article in our [[Testimony:_Adult_Female_with_Minor\|testimonials]] page. The detailed [[Feminism]] page is largely by me.		*[[Intergenerational Lesbianism]] is largely by me, including the summary of historian Amanda H. Littauer's 2020 article in our [[Testimony:_Adult_Female_with_Minor\|testimonials]] page. The detailed [[Feminism]] page is largely by me.

	*A large fact-checker article on [[Erwin Schrodinger]]. Large articles on historical MAP figures: [[Charlie Chaplin]], [[John Ruskin]], [[Eric Gill]], and [[Ernest Dowson]]. The most detailed article anywhere on [[Roger Moody]], a left-wing MAP figure who was the 1st British person to openly declare himself a "paedophile" in print.		*A large fact-checker article on [[Erwin Schrodinger]]. Large articles on historical MAP figures: [[Charlie Chaplin]], [[John Ruskin]], [[Eric Gill]], and [[Ernest Dowson]]. The most detailed article anywhere on [[Roger Moody]], a left-wing MAP figure who was the 1st British person to openly declare himself a "paedophile" in print. The most detailed page anywhere on [[Nettie Pollard]], a pioneering British lesbian activist and civil rights campaigner who supported [[PIE]] and children's liberation.

	*General/miscellaneous: Australian modern MAP figure [[Clarence Osborne]]. The author of ''Lolita'', [[Vladimir Nabokov]], and the contemporary artist he admired: [[Balthus]]. Books like Nancy Friday's truly sex-positive [[My Secret Garden]], and the 1st anthology of American homosexual literature [[Men and Boys: An Anthology (1924)]], as well as its author [[Edward Mark Slocum]]. The [[Encyclopedia of Homosexuality]] (1990) - a good starting point for the history of [[pederasty]]. [[Boyd McDonald]] - publisher of reader's sex stories / histories in the long-running gay pornography and erotic literature zine ''S.T.H.'' or ''Straight to Hell'', which often involved childhood experiences and age-gap sexual experience. Gay icons [[Harvey Milk]] and [[Craig Rodwell]].		*General/miscellaneous: Australian modern MAP figure [[Clarence Osborne]]. The author of ''Lolita'', [[Vladimir Nabokov]], and the contemporary artist he admired: [[Balthus]]. Books like Nancy Friday's truly sex-positive [[My Secret Garden]], and the 1st anthology of American homosexual literature [[Men and Boys: An Anthology (1924)]], as well as its author [[Edward Mark Slocum]]. The [[Encyclopedia of Homosexuality]] (1990) - a good starting point for the history of [[pederasty]]. [[Boyd McDonald]] - publisher of reader's sex stories / histories in the long-running gay pornography and erotic literature zine ''S.T.H.'' or ''Straight to Hell'', which often involved childhood experiences and age-gap sexual experience. Gay icons [[Harvey Milk]] and [[Craig Rodwell]].

Open MAP Community

Jim Burton — Mon, 11 May 2026 00:16:15 GMT

External links

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	*[http://~~www.~~mapcommunity.org Home]		*[http://mapcommunity.org Home]
	*[https://chat.mapcommunity.org/home Chat]

	[[Category:Official Encyclopedia]][[Category:Websites]][[Category:Websites: MAP]][[Category:Websites: Sympathetic]]		[[Category:Official Encyclopedia]][[Category:Websites]][[Category:Websites: MAP]][[Category:Websites: Sympathetic]]

Nettie Pollard

Prue — Mon, 11 May 2026 00:15:10 GMT

Help:FAQ

Jim Burton — Fri, 08 May 2026 23:29:02 GMT

Q: Does Newgon "circulate accounts justifying child molestation"?

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	''Fundamentally'', there exists a group of people within our society (a small few percent according to the APA) who have a sexual ''preference'' for ''prepubertal'' children, and only these individuals are the true [[pedophilia\|pedophiles]]. It is an attraction, not a behavior, nor an ''intention''.		''Fundamentally'', there exists a group of people within our society (a small few percent according to the APA) who have a sexual ''preference'' for ''prepubertal'' children, and only these individuals are the true [[pedophilia\|pedophiles]]. It is an attraction, not a behavior, nor an ''intention''.

	True pedophiles are often the ones we ignore when we talk brazenly of "pedophilia" and perpetuate its stigma. But they are the ~~unwitting~~ victims of an unimaginable social stigma, just like those who are slandered as pedophiles and pedophile-defenders. For the true pedophile, however, the burden can be a lifelong secret, and acutely internalized.		True pedophiles are often the ones we ignore when we talk brazenly of "pedophilia" and perpetuate its stigma. But they are the unwilling victims of an unimaginable social stigma, just like those who are slandered as pedophiles and pedophile-defenders. For the true pedophile, however, the burden can be a lifelong secret, and acutely internalized.

	We are certainly pro-pedophile in the sense that if a pedophile has been unfairly maligned, or another person unfairly maligned as a pedophile, we will instinctively rush to the defense of the "pedophile", of this, you can be sure. And however distasteful it may seem, it is also much healthier for civil society that such organizations are permitted to exist.		We are certainly pro-pedophile in the sense that if a pedophile has been unfairly maligned, or another person unfairly maligned as a pedophile, we will instinctively rush to the defense of the "pedophile", of this, you can be sure. And however distasteful it may seem, it is also much healthier for civil society that such organizations are permitted to exist.
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	'''A: Journalists defamed us.'''		'''A: Journalists defamed us.'''

	A hit list might be a somewhat dramatic way of describing Wikipedia's article, but given the popularity of Wikipedia with the three letter agencies, and the number of administrators who are also members of the intelligence community, we were nonplussed to say the least when we first appeared on the listicle.		A hit list might be a somewhat dramatic way of describing [[Wikipedia:List of pedophile advocacy organizations\|Wikipedia's article]], but given the popularity of Wikipedia with the three letter agencies, and the number of administrators who are also members of the intelligence community, we were nonplussed to say the least when we first appeared on the listicle.

	Wikipedia operates a controversial policy entitled "Reliable Source", which is in effect one of the biggest scams operating on the internet. In other words, if a journalist from a "reliable" newspaper or site (read: absence of any public controversy as to their journalistic standards) concludes something in an opinion piece, even if it is evidently false, it is in fact "reality" in the eyes of Wikipedia. This has often led to incidents of "citogenesis", where unsound claims first shared on Wikipedia have been repeated uncritically by journalists, who are then cited by Wikipedia in a self-reinforcing circle of modernistic stupidity.		Wikipedia operates a controversial policy entitled "Reliable Source", which is in effect one of the biggest scams operating on the internet. In other words, if a journalist from a "reliable" newspaper or site (read: absence of any public controversy as to their journalistic standards) concludes something in an opinion piece, even if it is evidently false, it is in fact "reality" in the eyes of Wikipedia. This has often led to incidents of "citogenesis", where unsound claims first shared on Wikipedia have been repeated uncritically by journalists, who are then cited by Wikipedia in a self-reinforcing circle of modernistic stupidity.
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	Maybe after "finding" our written histories, these "journalists" accidentally became aroused, then did a double-take, got angry about it and rage-quit. Subsequently, they might have then fabricated an excuse for their anger big enough to paper over the rock of their arousal, hence the glib idea that what they had just read "justified molestation".		Maybe after "finding" our written histories, these "journalists" accidentally became aroused, then did a double-take, got angry about it and rage-quit. Subsequently, they might have then fabricated an excuse for their anger big enough to paper over the rock of their arousal, hence the glib idea that what they had just read "justified molestation".

	If this is indeed the case, for such a person we truly have no words. Perhaps a degree of sympathy is called for.		If this is indeed the case, for such a person we truly have no words. Perhaps a degree of sympathy is called for, since we do not intend to titillate the reader, nor imply that such things are OK to go out and do in the wild.

	But to address the claim factually, most of the younger subjects in our lived experiences section are adolescents and not children. Our own [[Ethos of Newgon\|ethos]] does not include prepubertal children in its non-binding, but detailed proposal for age of consent reform.		But to address the claim factually, most of the younger subjects in our lived experiences section are adolescents and not children. Our own [[Ethos of Newgon\|ethos]] does not include prepubertal children in its non-binding, but detailed proposal for age of consent reform.

"Pedophile Activism" hoaxes

Jim Burton — Fri, 08 May 2026 21:09:56 GMT

Misquotes and Upscaling

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	===LGBTP and HeartProgress===		===LGBTP and HeartProgress===

	'''LGBTP''', also known as '''HeartProgress''' or '''LoveIsAgeless''', is a fake outrage campaign manufactured by '''4chan''''s /pol/. The campaign added "P" (to represent "[[Minor attracted neologisms\|pedosexuals]]") to the LGBT ~~abbreviation~~ (not be confused with "LGBTP" to include pansexuals). Characteristically, '''Snopes.com''' have used this example to promote their own misinformation about the LGBTQ+ movement, claiming, hilariously that "[never] has [[Historical examples of LGBT-MAP unity\|any LGBT group condoned pedophilia]]".<ref>[https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/LGBTP RationalWiki]</ref><ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20211101164919/https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/maps-pride-flag/ Snopes (erroneous) FC], now replaced with more accurate piece at original address</ref> In 2022, radical anti-trans activist [[Wikipedia:Kellie-Jay Keen-Minshull\|Kellie-Jay Keen]] circulated a hoax transgender advocacy blog in the style of Heartprogress, flaunting a display of solidarity ~~for~~ [[NAMBLA]].<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20221031183227/https://twitter.com/StandingforXX/status/1587120141384425472 Keen Transgender Hoax]</ref>		'''LGBTP''', also known as '''HeartProgress''' or '''LoveIsAgeless''', is a fake outrage campaign manufactured by '''4chan''''s /pol/. The campaign added "P" (to represent "[[Minor attracted neologisms\|pedosexuals]]") to the LGBT initialism (not be confused with "LGBTP" to include pansexuals). Characteristically, '''Snopes.com''' have used this example to promote their own misinformation about the LGBTQ+ movement, claiming, hilariously that "[never] has [[Historical examples of LGBT-MAP unity\|any LGBT group condoned pedophilia]]".<ref>[https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/LGBTP RationalWiki]</ref><ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20211101164919/https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/maps-pride-flag/ Snopes (erroneous) FC], now replaced with more accurate piece at original address</ref> In 2022, radical anti-trans activist [[Wikipedia:Kellie-Jay Keen-Minshull\|Kellie-Jay Keen]] circulated a hoax transgender advocacy blog in the style of Heartprogress, flaunting a display of solidarity with the already operationally defunct [[NAMBLA]].<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20221031183227/https://twitter.com/StandingforXX/status/1587120141384425472 Keen Transgender Hoax]</ref>

	===Fake demonstrations===		===Fake demonstrations===

	The alt-right has also framed student protesters as "pedophiles", convincing even Donald Trump Jr. of the hoax's veracity. Mike Cernovich, an alt-right personality, arrived at Columbia University in October 2017, to give a speech to the school’s College Republicans club. But when students protested outside the event, trolls posed in front of them with a banner promoting [[NAMBLA]]. Cernovich and other alt-right figures quickly copied a journalist’s picture of the sign and tweeted it as evidence.<ref>[https://www.thedailybeast.com/alt-right-frames-protesters-as-pedophiles-with-fake-nambla-sign Daily Beast]</ref>		The alt-right has also framed student protesters as "pedophiles", convincing even Donald Trump Jr. of the hoax's veracity. Mike Cernovich, an alt-right personality, arrived at Columbia University in October 2017, to give a speech to the school’s College Republicans club. But when students protested outside the event, trolls posed in front of them with a banner promoting the almost operationally defunct [[NAMBLA]]. Cernovich and other alt-right figures quickly copied a journalist’s picture of the sign and tweeted it as evidence.<ref>[https://www.thedailybeast.com/alt-right-frames-protesters-as-pedophiles-with-fake-nambla-sign Daily Beast]</ref>

	===Overemphasizing defunct organizations===		===Overemphasizing defunct organizations===

	Particular to the social media era, Newgon has witnessed a tendency to overemphasize the present importance of first-wave organizations and claim they are still active. While this has happened in the case of [[Ipce]] and PIE, it is more notable and memetic in [[NAMBLA]]'s example. Such organizations no longer meet, no longer carry on the communications necessary to be deemed organizations, and are typically only remembered via websites maintained by older ex-members, many of whom have age-related impairments and reduced input. In NAMBLA's case, octagenarean [[Peter Melzer]] died in 2024, leaving the website dormant.		Particular to the social media era, Newgon has witnessed a tendency to overemphasize the present importance of first-wave organizations and claim they are still active. While this has happened in the case of [[Ipce]] and PIE, it is more notable and memetic in [[NAMBLA]]'s example. Such organizations no longer meet, no longer carry on the communications necessary to be deemed organizations, and are typically only remembered via websites maintained by older ex-members, many of whom have age-related impairments and reduced input. In NAMBLA's case, octagenarean [[Peter Melzer]] died in 2024, leaving the website dormant after repeated vain attempts by right-wing con-artists to present his organization as an active part of the left-wing civil rights ecosystem.

	===Misquotes===		===Misquotes and Upscaling===

	In some instances, real events have been taken out of context, as per various stories concerning the deeply [[pedophobia\|pedophobic]] [[United Nations]] and their supposed endorsement of "pedophilia". In the 20s, individuals such as U.S. Rep. Katie Porter and Las Vegas Commissioner, Tick Segerblom were attacked by [[Conspiratorialism\|conspiracy theorists]] for making comments that could be misquoted.<ref>[https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL1N33613P/ U.S. Rep. Katie Porter did not say pedophilia was an ‘identity’], and [https://nationalfile.com/video-openly-communist-las-vegas-commissioner-admitted-to-being-a-minor-attracted-person/ Video: Openly Communist Las Vegas Commissioner Admitted to Being a ‘Minor Attracted Person’]</ref>		In some instances, real events have been taken out of context, as per various stories concerning the deeply [[pedophobia\|pedophobic]] [[United Nations]] and their supposed endorsement of "pedophilia". In the 20s, individuals such as U.S. Rep. Katie Porter and Las Vegas Commissioner, Tick Segerblom were attacked by [[Conspiratorialism\|conspiracy theorists]] for making comments that could be misquoted.<ref>[https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL1N33613P/ U.S. Rep. Katie Porter did not say pedophilia was an ‘identity’], and [https://nationalfile.com/video-openly-communist-las-vegas-commissioner-admitted-to-being-a-minor-attracted-person/ Video: Openly Communist Las Vegas Commissioner Admitted to Being a ‘Minor Attracted Person’]</ref>

			Upscaling/misattribution is another common method, typically used by low follower-count (<1.5m) influencers of the right-tendency who face a low risk-reward within the fake-news ecosystem. Usually, organizations such as the UN, WEF and the WHO are the target; for example a Dutch sex-education film was misattributed to the WHO via x.com in 2026, by the serial propagandist '''@BGatesIsaPyscho''' (without fact-checking or community note).<ref>[https://x.com/BGatesIsaPyscho/status/2051223089023696979 Thread by BGatesIsaPyscho]</ref> The fake-news website ''The People's Voice'' (formerly ''NewsPunch'') frequently publishes such stories about the normalization of pedophilia by "international elites".

	===Doxxing and defaming by impersonation===		===Doxxing and defaming by impersonation===

Mu

Jim Burton — Fri, 08 May 2026 20:37:54 GMT

Attempts at censorship

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	Mu was set up by way of a 4-person "enclave circle" committee, with further committee members or guests to be invited by unanimous agreement. Two committee members had previously attended [[Ipce]] and [[Newgon]]-related functions, and a further two were unaffiliated with those groups:		Mu was set up by way of a 4-person "enclave circle" committee, with further committee members or guests to be invited by unanimous agreement. Two committee members had previously attended [[Ipce]] and [[Newgon]]-related functions, and a further two were unaffiliated with those groups:

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	Mu plans to meet once a year.		Mu plans to meet once a year.

	==~~Coverage~~==		==Features==

	Mu ~~achieved US national and social media coverage for~~ its ~~thoroughgoing defense of [[MAP Camp]] in 2024~~, ~~and has been featured~~ by ~~Andy Ngo, Libs of TikTok, a former Member of~~ the ~~European Parliament~~, ~~''The Conversation''~~ (~~online copy~~), and on multiple occasions by [[Gays Against Groomers]].<ref>[https://cbsaustin.com/news/nation-world/pedophile-group-claims-oppression-over-vt-camp-gathering-outrage-deeply-offensive-vermont-minor-attracted-persons-marshfield-montpelier-burlington-new-england-pedophilia-map-union-gender Pedophile group claims 'oppression' over Vt. camp gathering outrage: 'Deeply offensive']</ref><ref>[https://thefederalist.com/2024/09/26/activists-defend-canceled-minor-attracted-persons-camp-in-vermont-next-to~~-school/ Federalist article]</ref><ref>[https://x.com/againstgrmrs/status/1875624426613698594 LGBTQ...P?]~~, ~~[https://x.com/ladyonorato/status/1875846959598313869 Follow up by Francesca Donato]</ref><ref>[https://theconversation.com/teenagers~~-and~~-younger-kids-are-learning-coded-predator-phrases-like-map-online-long-before-~~their~~-parents-have-even-heard-of-it-277460 Teenagers and younger kids are learning coded predator phrases like ‘MAP’ online~~, ~~long before their parents have even heard of it]</ref> Various false claims about positions espoused by~~ the ~~group were presented in the Italian newsmagazine Gaeta.it, alongside claims~~ "~~demonstrations were held in several cities, with signs and slogans in favor of the safety of children and against any form of legitimization of sexual acts with minors~~", leading to outcry on social media.<ref>[https://www.gaeta.it/nuova-organizzazione-map-union-chiede-diritti-per-i-pedofili-proteste-e-interrogativi-sulla-sicurezza-dei-minori Nuova organizzazione MAP-Union chiede diritti per i pedofili: proteste e interrogativi sulla sicurezza dei minori]</ref><ref>For social mentions, see [https://forum.map-union.org/viewtopic.php?t=945 GAG], [https://x.com/libsoftiktok/status/1838703424008753227 Libs] and [https://x.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1837189153705926728 Andy Ngo].~~</ref>~~		Mu organizes the updating content on its website into three streams. On the homepage, are any statements made by the group, including analysis articles and news updates. Mu runs content classes such as fact checks (Mu Verify), news and press releases. Another page on the website entitled "perspectives" is home to opinion pieces, easy-reading clickbait pieces (Mu Lowdown) and conversation starters (Mu Conversations). Guest blogs have their own page, but positioned less prominently below the "perspectives" section.

	~~Almost~~ a ~~year after the initial controversy over~~ MAP ~~Camp~~, ~~former ''[[Wikipedia:Shameless (British TV series)\|Shameless]]'' actor~~, ~~[[Wikipedia:Kelli Hollis\|Kelli Hollis]] posted an angry TikTok~~ in ~~which she attacked statements made by Mu~~ and ~~one of its editors, Brian Ribbon.<ref>[https://www.brianribbon~~.~~com/short-takes/laughing-at-the-angry-white-lady Laughing at the angry white lady]</ref><ref>[https://fstube.net/w/h9peVKgvgkbgF5HtihgZKd FST archive of the TikTok]</ref>~~		The website's editor, Jim Burton has stated that he wants it to be used by others as the inspiration for a fully designed online "MAP Lifestyle Magazine", which would combine features on more low-brow content such as YouTube celebrities, youth in cinema, and popular girls on social media.

	For a short time in the fall of 2024, Mu ran a highly successful [[Bluesky pedophilia controversy\|Bluesky]] account under the "Mu HQ" handle, interacting with MAPs and members of the public. Mu plans to return to social media when an opportunity presents itself.		===Forum===

	~~===Attempts at censorship===~~		Upon its opening, Mu set up a forum modelled loosely on [[B4U-ACT\|B4um]], but intended to be viewable by members of the public (bar politics and sensitive offsite operations).

	~~In April-May 2026~~, ~~Mu (and~~ other ~~MAP sites~~ such as [[BoyChat]] and ~~its French sub-forum) became the focus~~ of ~~an investigation by the citizen journalist, G Patrick.<ref>~~[~~https://www.gpatricksec.com/pedos-in-plain-site/ NAMBLA Was Just the Tip of the Iceberg~~]~~, [https://www.gpatricksec.com/francerocks/ France Rocks~~]~~, [https://forum~~.~~map-union.org/viewtopic.php?t=4520 Thread documenting the various updates~~ to ~~G Patrick's investigation]</ref> This resulted in multiple call-outs on Reddit~~, in which ~~Mu and various sites sharing the same server were presented as~~ a ~~"pedophile ring" without any evidence~~ of ~~illegal activity~~. The ~~response even provoked governmental response~~ in ~~France (~~with ~~media citing the High Commissioner for Children).<ref>[https://www.map-union.org/blog/press-release-france-has-no-right-~~to~~-call-us-pedocriminals Press Release: France has no right to call us 'pedocriminals']</ref> Attempts to remove the sites~~ from the ~~internet by lobbying providers were unsuccessful~~.		It has been received as a successful project by most observers, with activity levels approaching those of other forums such as [[BoyChat]] and somewhat short of [[Virtuous Pedophiles]]. There are ongoing plans to relocate and rebrand this forum, which began with a restructuring to make available more private peer support spaces, this time modeling Virped itself, but trying to avoid some of its issues with duplication of function. The reskinning plans are due to be fully acted upon in 2026 with a full rebranding and new domain name to break away from Mu while retaining the support of its staff.

	==~~Features~~==		==Coverage==

	Mu ~~organizes the updating content on~~ its ~~website into three streams. On the homepage~~, ~~are any statements made~~ by the ~~group~~, ~~including analysis articles and news updates. Mu runs content classes such as fact checks~~ (~~Mu Verify~~), news ~~and press releases~~. ~~Another page on the website entitled "perspectives" is home~~ to ~~opinion pieces~~, ~~easy~~-~~reading clickbait pieces (Mu Lowdown)~~ and ~~conversation starters (Mu Conversations). Guest blogs~~ have their ~~own page~~, ~~but positioned less prominently below~~ the "~~perspectives" section~~.		Mu achieved US national and social media coverage for its thoroughgoing defense of [[MAP Camp]] in 2024, and has been featured by Andy Ngo, Libs of TikTok, a former Member of the European Parliament, ''The Conversation'' (online copy), and on multiple occasions by [[Gays Against Groomers]].<ref>[https://cbsaustin.com/news/nation-world/pedophile-group-claims-oppression-over-vt-camp-gathering-outrage-deeply-offensive-vermont-minor-attracted-persons-marshfield-montpelier-burlington-new-england-pedophilia-map-union-gender Pedophile group claims 'oppression' over Vt. camp gathering outrage: 'Deeply offensive']</ref><ref>[https://thefederalist.com/2024/09/26/activists-defend-canceled-minor-attracted-persons-camp-in-vermont-next-to-school/ Federalist article]</ref><ref>[https://x.com/againstgrmrs/status/1875624426613698594 LGBTQ...P?], [https://x.com/ladyonorato/status/1875846959598313869 Follow up by Francesca Donato]</ref><ref>[https://theconversation.com/teenagers-and-younger-kids-are-learning-coded-predator-phrases-like-map-online-long-before-their-parents-have-even-heard-of-it-277460 Teenagers and younger kids are learning coded predator phrases like ‘MAP’ online, long before their parents have even heard of it]</ref> Various false claims about positions espoused by the group were presented in the Italian newsmagazine Gaeta.it, alongside claims "demonstrations were held in several cities, with signs and slogans in favor of the safety of children and against any form of legitimization of sexual acts with minors", leading to outcry on social media.<ref>[https://www.gaeta.it/nuova-organizzazione-map-union-chiede-diritti-per-i-pedofili-proteste-e-interrogativi-sulla-sicurezza-dei-minori Nuova organizzazione MAP-Union chiede diritti per i pedofili: proteste e interrogativi sulla sicurezza dei minori]</ref><ref>For social mentions, see [https://forum.map-union.org/viewtopic.php?t=945 GAG], [https://x.com/libsoftiktok/status/1838703424008753227 Libs] and [https://x.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1837189153705926728 Andy Ngo].</ref>

	~~The website's editor, Jim Burton has stated that he wants it to be used by others as~~ the ~~inspiration for a fully designed online "~~MAP ~~Lifestyle Magazine"~~, ~~which would combine features on more low-brow content such as YouTube celebrities~~, ~~youth~~ in ~~cinema~~, ~~and popular girls on social media~~.		Almost a year after the initial controversy over MAP Camp, former ''[[Wikipedia:Shameless (British TV series)\|Shameless]]'' actor, [[Wikipedia:Kelli Hollis\|Kelli Hollis]] posted an angry TikTok in which she attacked statements made by Mu and one of its editors, Brian Ribbon.<ref>[https://www.brianribbon.com/short-takes/laughing-at-the-angry-white-lady Laughing at the angry white lady]</ref><ref>[https://fstube.net/w/h9peVKgvgkbgF5HtihgZKd FST archive of the TikTok]</ref>

	~~==Forum==~~		For a short time in the fall of 2024, Mu ran a highly successful [[Bluesky pedophilia controversy\|Bluesky]] account under the "Mu HQ" handle, interacting with MAPs and members of the public. Mu plans to return to social media when an opportunity presents itself.

	~~Upon its opening, Mu set up a forum modelled loosely on [[B4U-ACT\|B4um]], but intended to be viewable by members of the public (bar politics and sensitive offsite operations).~~		===Attempts at censorship===

	~~It has been received as a successful project by most observers~~, ~~with activity levels approaching those of~~ other ~~forums~~ such as [[BoyChat]] and ~~somewhat short~~ of [[~~Virtuous Pedophiles]~~]. ~~There are ongoing plans~~ to ~~relocate and rebrand this forum~~, which ~~began with~~ a ~~restructuring to make available more private peer support spaces, this time modeling Virped itself, but trying to avoid some~~ of ~~its issues with duplication of function~~. The ~~reskinning plans are due to be fully acted upon~~ in ~~2026~~ with ~~a full rebranding and new domain name~~ to ~~break away~~ from ~~Mu while retaining~~ the ~~support of its staff~~.		In April-May 2026, Mu (and other MAP sites such as [[BoyChat]] and its French sub-forum) became the focus of an investigation by the citizen journalist, G Patrick.<ref>[https://www.gpatricksec.com/pedos-in-plain-site/ NAMBLA Was Just the Tip of the Iceberg], [https://www.gpatricksec.com/francerocks/ France Rocks], [https://forum.map-union.org/viewtopic.php?t=4520 Thread documenting the various updates to G Patrick's investigation]</ref> This resulted in multiple call-outs on Reddit, in which Mu and various sites sharing the same server were presented as a "pedophile ring" without any evidence of illegal activity. The response even provoked governmental condemnation in France (with media citing the High Commissioner for Children).<ref>[https://www.map-union.org/blog/press-release-france-has-no-right-to-call-us-pedocriminals Press Release: France has no right to call us 'pedocriminals']</ref> Attempts to remove the sites from the internet by lobbying providers were unsuccessful.

	==See also==		==See also==

			*[[Virtuous Pedophiles]] - A longer-running organization with similar scope but different values.
	*[[MEDAL]] - MAP Equality, Dignity and Liberation.		*[[MEDAL]] - MAP Equality, Dignity and Liberation.
			*[[B4U-ACT]]
			*[[Beyond the Plus]]

	==External links==		==External links==

Virtuous Pedophiles

Jim Burton — Fri, 08 May 2026 19:50:29 GMT

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	The above drama was shortly followed by the arrest of Sammy's co-director on unrelated charges of child pornography and contact offending, charges members of the forum at first contested as implausible. Charlie was dismissed and Sammy re-appointed following this announcement. The circumstances around Charlie's case are unclear, and investigations are ongoing, with one admission to an illegal act being later confirmed by Virped admin.		The above drama was shortly followed by the arrest of Sammy's co-director on unrelated charges of child pornography and contact offending, charges members of the forum at first contested as implausible. Charlie was dismissed and Sammy re-appointed following this announcement. The circumstances around Charlie's case are unclear, and investigations are ongoing, with one admission to an illegal act being later confirmed by Virped admin.

	After some attention in online pro-c media, this controversy was first covered in detail by Reduxx<ref>[https://reduxx.info/exclusive-director-of-prominent-non-offending-pedophile-group-arrested-charged-with-raping-children/ Genevieve Gluck's Reduxx story on Charlie], [https://genevievegluck.substack.com/p/exclusive-director-of-prominent-non/comments See also GG Substack]</ref> and Kiwifarms, with the social media and forum threads devolving into open calls for targeted murder, genocide, and racist comments. Considerable attention was given to one member's contention that ~~Virpeds~~ were "like cockroaches" ~~and would weather the storm of this event, because supposedly their "~~lowly" position makes them ~~hard~~ to diminish. [[Wikipedia:American Thinker\|American Thinker]], a blog known for its conspiratorialist views, then falsely alleged that another director, Markus, had admitted to historical offences.<ref>[https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2025/09/a_primary_school_teacher_also_working_as_a_director_for_a_non_offending_pedophile_group_gets_arrested_for_child_rape.html Piece by American Thinker]</ref> A Vtuber later covered the controversy, drawing in a few thousand views.<ref>[https://fstube.net/w/nobnjyEF5u7sL1sbDabj2o Commentary by a Vtuber]</ref>		After some attention in online pro-c media, this controversy was first covered in detail by Reduxx<ref>[https://reduxx.info/exclusive-director-of-prominent-non-offending-pedophile-group-arrested-charged-with-raping-children/ Genevieve Gluck's Reduxx story on Charlie], [https://genevievegluck.substack.com/p/exclusive-director-of-prominent-non/comments See also GG Substack]</ref> and Kiwifarms, with the social media and forum threads devolving into open calls for targeted murder, genocide, and racist comments. Considerable attention was given to one optimistic Virped member's contention that his peers were "like cockroaches" whose lowly position in the social pecking order makes them harder to diminish. [[Wikipedia:American Thinker\|American Thinker]], a blog known for its conspiratorialist views, then falsely alleged that another director, Markus, had admitted to historical offences.<ref>[https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2025/09/a_primary_school_teacher_also_working_as_a_director_for_a_non_offending_pedophile_group_gets_arrested_for_child_rape.html Piece by American Thinker]</ref> A Vtuber later covered the controversy, drawing in a few thousand views.<ref>[https://fstube.net/w/nobnjyEF5u7sL1sbDabj2o Commentary by a Vtuber]</ref>

	The Reduxx story immediately followed research by a British ~~anti~~ and sex worker activist named Elliot Walton, who credibly claimed to have obtained a Virped account, something that is as easy as registering an account, and the site's administrators themselves warn other users is likely to happen. Walton later communicated some regret that his research had led to the abovementioned comments, which he said "dignified" Virped, who he concluded had designed their organization to draw fire and then play the victim.<ref>~~[https://~~x.com/Elliot__Walton/status/1956321004009259132 Initial thread and sources from Elliot Walton~~]</ref><ref>[https://~~x.com/Elliot__Walton/status/1962277880488202475 Further commentary by Walton]</ref>		The Reduxx story immediately followed research by a British citizen researcher and sex worker activist named Elliot Walton, who credibly claimed to have obtained a Virped account, something that is as easy as registering an account, and the site's administrators themselves warn other users is likely to happen. Walton later communicated some regret that his research had led to the abovementioned comments, which he said "dignified" Virped, who he concluded had designed their organization to draw fire and then play the victim.<ref>'''x.com/Elliot__Walton/status/1956321004009259132''' - Initial thread and sources from Elliot Walton, '''x.com/Elliot__Walton/status/1962277880488202475''' - Further commentary by Walton (now seemingly lost as the account no longer exists)</ref>

	====Connor Weston's gun stunt====		====Connor Weston's gun stunt====

MAPocalypse

Jim Burton — Fri, 08 May 2026 19:39:35 GMT

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	*In January, the potential of the MAP meme to generate viral publicity was again affirmed when the X account DelusionPosting sent 5 million viewers to the screencap of a [[PCMA]] account's meme-post.<ref>[https://x.com/DelusionPosting/status/2008946917904912740 Post by DelusionPosting]</ref> This was in fact, the [[:File:Riv.png\|3-year-old Tweet of a suspended account (previously 2.2 million views)]]. DelusionPosting is a part-automated influencer account, already known for sharing outdated material. Since the original post had been made in 2023, PCMA had almost ceased its activity on the X network, and MAPs had found it almost impossible to hold down an account on any of the major platforms without being banned.		*In January, the potential of the MAP meme to generate viral publicity was again affirmed when the X account DelusionPosting sent 5 million viewers to the screencap of a [[PCMA]] account's meme-post.<ref>[https://x.com/DelusionPosting/status/2008946917904912740 Post by DelusionPosting]</ref> This was in fact, the [[:File:Riv.png\|3-year-old Tweet of a suspended account (previously 2.2 million views)]]. DelusionPosting is a part-automated influencer account, already known for sharing outdated material. Since the original post had been made in 2023, PCMA had almost ceased its activity on the X network, and MAPs had found it almost impossible to hold down an account on any of the major platforms without being banned.
	*In February, Elon Musk drew over 60M impressions on a tweet criticizing the New York Times for their historical coverage of [[Virtuous Pedophiles]] and pedophilia as a disorder/not a crime.<ref>[https://x.com/elonmusk/status/2026135632624652377 Tweet by Elon Musk]</ref>		*In February, Elon Musk drew over 60M impressions on a tweet criticizing the New York Times for their historical coverage of [[Virtuous Pedophiles]] and pedophilia as a disorder/not a crime.<ref>[https://x.com/elonmusk/status/2026135632624652377 Tweet by Elon Musk]</ref>
			*In April-May, [[Mu]] (and other MAP sites such as [[BoyChat]] and its French sub-forum) became the focus of an investigation by the citizen journalist, G Patrick.<ref>[https://www.gpatricksec.com/pedos-in-plain-site/ NAMBLA Was Just the Tip of the Iceberg], [https://www.gpatricksec.com/francerocks/ France Rocks], [https://forum.map-union.org/viewtopic.php?t=4520 Thread documenting the various updates to G Patrick's investigation]</ref> This resulted in multiple call-outs on Reddit, in which Mu and various sites sharing the same server were presented as a "pedophile ring" without any evidence of illegal activity. The response even provoked governmental response in France (with media citing the High Commissioner for Children).<ref>[https://www.map-union.org/blog/press-release-france-has-no-right-to-call-us-pedocriminals Press Release: France has no right to call us 'pedocriminals']</ref> Attempts to remove the sites from the internet by lobbying providers were unsuccessful.

	==Opinions among MAPs==		==Opinions among MAPs==

Mu

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	For a short time in the fall of 2024, Mu ran a highly successful [[Bluesky pedophilia controversy\|Bluesky]] account under the "Mu HQ" handle, interacting with MAPs and members of the public. Mu plans to return to social media when an opportunity presents itself.		For a short time in the fall of 2024, Mu ran a highly successful [[Bluesky pedophilia controversy\|Bluesky]] account under the "Mu HQ" handle, interacting with MAPs and members of the public. Mu plans to return to social media when an opportunity presents itself.

			===Attempts at censorship===

			In April-May 2026, Mu (and other MAP sites such as [[BoyChat]] and its French sub-forum) became the focus of an investigation by the citizen journalist, G Patrick.<ref>[https://www.gpatricksec.com/pedos-in-plain-site/ NAMBLA Was Just the Tip of the Iceberg], [https://www.gpatricksec.com/francerocks/ France Rocks], [https://forum.map-union.org/viewtopic.php?t=4520 Thread documenting the various updates to G Patrick's investigation]</ref> This resulted in multiple call-outs on Reddit, in which Mu and various sites sharing the same server were presented as a "pedophile ring" without any evidence of illegal activity. The response even provoked governmental response in France (with media citing the High Commissioner for Children).<ref>[https://www.map-union.org/blog/press-release-france-has-no-right-to-call-us-pedocriminals Press Release: France has no right to call us 'pedocriminals']</ref> Attempts to remove the sites from the internet by lobbying providers were unsuccessful.

	==Features==		==Features==

B4U-ACT

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	*[[NARSOL]]		*[[NARSOL]]
	*[[Jacob Breslow]] - His attendance at a B4U-~~Act~~ symposium is the subject of a social media controversy		*[[Jacob Breslow]] - His attendance at a B4U-ACT symposium is the subject of a social media controversy

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	*[http://www.b4uact.org Homepage]		*[http://www.b4uact.org Homepage]
	*[https://www.b4uact.org/b4qr/ Quarterly Review] - Publication in which B4U-~~Act~~ participants review recently published academic literature		*[https://www.b4uact.org/b4qr/ Quarterly Review] - Publication in which B4U-ACT participants review recently published academic literature
	*[https://www.boywiki.org/en/B4U-ACT BoyWiki Article]		*[https://www.boywiki.org/en/B4U-ACT BoyWiki Article]
	*[https://www.boychat.org/messages/1393047.htm Some history] - by Barry Casper		*[https://www.boychat.org/messages/1393047.htm Some history] - by Barry Casper

Nelson Maatman

Jim Burton — Thu, 07 May 2026 23:41:44 GMT

Dramatic arrest in Mexico, and prospects of deportation

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	===Dramatic arrest in Mexico, and prospects of deportation===		===Dramatic arrest in Mexico, and prospects of deportation===

			:''For updates, see: [[Essay:The Gruesome Consequences of a Hysterical Witch Hunt\|The Gruesome Consequences of a Hysterical Witch Hunt]].''

	On 5 June, 2022, 27 year old Maatman was arrested near his address in Mexico City, following an early March press-release, petition and social media campaign from the Netherlands-based ''[[Free A Girl]] Foundation'', in which unsupported statements were made about him.<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20220301085524/https://www.freeagirl.nl/nelson Free a Girl petition]</ref><ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20220301085608/https://www.freeagirl.nl/app/uploads/2022/03/Press-Release-Petition-Free-a-Girl.pdf Free a Girl Press Release as of 01 Mar]</ref><ref>[https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10893199/Fugitive-Dutch-child-predator-arrested-Mexico-City.html?ito=social-twitter_mailonline Dutch 'pedophile', 27, who set up party that tried to legalize adults having sex with 12-year-olds is arrested in Mexico after being 'found with a gun, cocaine and child porn' - Daily Mail]</ref><ref>[https://www.newsweek.com/pedophilia-activist-arrested-mexico-city-after-months-run-1713922 Newsweek Article on arrest in Mexico]</ref> A [[Research: Commercial and online sexual exploitation\|pro-conspiratorialist trafficking charity]], [[Operation Underground Railroad]] have also been mentioned in some reports as a "partner" of Free A Girl, and claim to have carried out a sting on Maatman and then provided a sniffer dog for use at his apartment.<ref>[https://www.facebook.com/OURrescue/videos/our-assists-with-arrest-of-international-predator-nelson-maatman/961280537874973/ OUR Facebook update]</ref><ref>[https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2022/06/17/electronic-sniffing-dog-pedophile-arrest/7656868001/ USA Today on OUR's electronic sniffer dog, "Hidu"]</ref> News reports then erroneously claimed that he was a suspected "child predator" who "founded" the [[PNVD]] (in fact set up in 2006, when he was 11 years old). The Daily Mail and Newsweek also suggested Maatman (at that point broke and known only as an activist) was thought to be leader of a far-reaching [[Child Pornography\|Youth Erotica]] ring - echoing the claims of Mexican authorities. Police claimed to have initially found cocaine and a gun on Maatman. The dog - property of the aforementioned conspiratorialist trafficking charity, was said to have located large amounts of Youth Erotica in "hard to reach places" after a warrant was obtained for a search on Maatman's apartment.<ref>[https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2022/06/17/electronic-sniffing-dog-pedophile-arrest/7656868001/ Story from AP/USA Today claims porn found in "hard to reach places" by a dog belonging to a questionable NGO]</ref> These claims might be somewhat questionable given Maatman would have been aware he was at risk. Mexican Law Enforcement are [[Wikipedia:Police corruption in Mexico\|notoriously corrupt]], and this is known to extend to planting evidence on suspects that matches their "suspicious behavior".<ref>[https://www.columbiatribune.com/story/news/2011/08/13/mexican-panel-decries-abuses/21438238007/ Colom' Tribune - Mexican Police Corruption]</ref>		On 5 June, 2022, 27 year old Maatman was arrested near his address in Mexico City, following an early March press-release, petition and social media campaign from the Netherlands-based ''[[Free A Girl]] Foundation'', in which unsupported statements were made about him.<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20220301085524/https://www.freeagirl.nl/nelson Free a Girl petition]</ref><ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20220301085608/https://www.freeagirl.nl/app/uploads/2022/03/Press-Release-Petition-Free-a-Girl.pdf Free a Girl Press Release as of 01 Mar]</ref><ref>[https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10893199/Fugitive-Dutch-child-predator-arrested-Mexico-City.html?ito=social-twitter_mailonline Dutch 'pedophile', 27, who set up party that tried to legalize adults having sex with 12-year-olds is arrested in Mexico after being 'found with a gun, cocaine and child porn' - Daily Mail]</ref><ref>[https://www.newsweek.com/pedophilia-activist-arrested-mexico-city-after-months-run-1713922 Newsweek Article on arrest in Mexico]</ref> A [[Research: Commercial and online sexual exploitation\|pro-conspiratorialist trafficking charity]], [[Operation Underground Railroad]] have also been mentioned in some reports as a "partner" of Free A Girl, and claim to have carried out a sting on Maatman and then provided a sniffer dog for use at his apartment.<ref>[https://www.facebook.com/OURrescue/videos/our-assists-with-arrest-of-international-predator-nelson-maatman/961280537874973/ OUR Facebook update]</ref><ref>[https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2022/06/17/electronic-sniffing-dog-pedophile-arrest/7656868001/ USA Today on OUR's electronic sniffer dog, "Hidu"]</ref> News reports then erroneously claimed that he was a suspected "child predator" who "founded" the [[PNVD]] (in fact set up in 2006, when he was 11 years old). The Daily Mail and Newsweek also suggested Maatman (at that point broke and known only as an activist) was thought to be leader of a far-reaching [[Child Pornography\|Youth Erotica]] ring - echoing the claims of Mexican authorities. Police claimed to have initially found cocaine and a gun on Maatman. The dog - property of the aforementioned conspiratorialist trafficking charity, was said to have located large amounts of Youth Erotica in "hard to reach places" after a warrant was obtained for a search on Maatman's apartment.<ref>[https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2022/06/17/electronic-sniffing-dog-pedophile-arrest/7656868001/ Story from AP/USA Today claims porn found in "hard to reach places" by a dog belonging to a questionable NGO]</ref> These claims might be somewhat questionable given Maatman would have been aware he was at risk. Mexican Law Enforcement are [[Wikipedia:Police corruption in Mexico\|notoriously corrupt]], and this is known to extend to planting evidence on suspects that matches their "suspicious behavior".<ref>[https://www.columbiatribune.com/story/news/2011/08/13/mexican-panel-decries-abuses/21438238007/ Colom' Tribune - Mexican Police Corruption]</ref>

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	[[File:Axtell.png\|thumb\|Formerly sectioned [[pedophobia\|pedophobic]] murderer Levi Axtell (right) received the support of his community]]		[[File:Axtell.png\|thumb\|Formerly sectioned [[pedophobia\|pedophobic]] murderer Levi Axtell (right) received the support of his community]]
	[[Wikipedia:Rocky Beamon\|Murder of sex offenders in jail]] is widespread, and in California, is twice as common as murder in the general prison population.<ref>[https://www.vice.com/en/article/why-sex-offenders-are-getting-slaughtered-in-california-prisons-218/ Vice on why sex offenders are getting slaughtered]</ref>		[[Wikipedia:Rocky Beamon\|Murder of sex offenders in jail]] is widespread, and in [[California]], is twice as common as murder in the general prison population.<ref>[https://www.vice.com/en/article/why-sex-offenders-are-getting-slaughtered-in-california-prisons-218/ Vice on why sex offenders are getting slaughtered]</ref>

	There are also [[Wikipedia:Snowtown murders\|numerous examples]] of murders not resulting directly from registered sex offender status, but instead hearsay in the local community re. a person's status. These include cases of mistaken identity, mistaken motive, and have reached such a point that it can be concluded light sentencing is directly encouraging the acts.<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20161217033917/https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1198221/vigilante-paedophile-hunter-jailed-for-life-for-murdering-dad-wrongly-accused-of-trying-to-meet-teenage-girl/ Vigilante paedophile hunter jailed for life for murdering dad wrongly accused of trying to meet teenage girl], [https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/apr/12/teenage-vigilantes-killed-darren-kelly-mistaken-paedophile-court 'Teenage vigilantes' killed man mistaken for paedophile, court told], [https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3330339/Millionaire-British-estate-agent-beat-death-German-paedophile-helped-launch-Katie-Price-s-clothes-range-catching-taking-pictures-children-set-spared-jail.html Millionaire British estate agent who beat German 'paedophile' to death after he took photos of his children in Spanish resort is to be spared jail]</ref> In one particularly disgusting 2022 example, a teenager who repeatedly and fatally stabbed her partner (later alleging he was "trafficking" her), escaped prison, later benefitting from a fundraiser to pay her fines.<ref>[https://www.gofundme.com/f/vxgt7q Pieper Lewis Gofundme, following deadly assault on 37 year old Zachary Brooks]</ref> The limits on the fundraiser were raised after it was exceded, and she was praised as "brave" in parts of the mainstream media:		There are also [[Wikipedia:Snowtown murders\|numerous examples]] of murders not resulting directly from registered sex offender status, but instead hearsay in the local community re. a person's status. These include cases of mistaken identity, mistaken motive, and have reached such a point that it can be concluded light sentencing is directly encouraging the acts.<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20161217033917/https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1198221/vigilante-paedophile-hunter-jailed-for-life-for-murdering-dad-wrongly-accused-of-trying-to-meet-teenage-girl/ Vigilante paedophile hunter jailed for life for murdering dad wrongly accused of trying to meet teenage girl], [https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/apr/12/teenage-vigilantes-killed-darren-kelly-mistaken-paedophile-court 'Teenage vigilantes' killed man mistaken for paedophile, court told], [https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3330339/Millionaire-British-estate-agent-beat-death-German-paedophile-helped-launch-Katie-Price-s-clothes-range-catching-taking-pictures-children-set-spared-jail.html Millionaire British estate agent who beat German 'paedophile' to death after he took photos of his children in Spanish resort is to be spared jail]</ref> In one particularly disgusting 2022 example, a teenager who repeatedly and fatally stabbed her partner (later alleging he was "trafficking" her), escaped prison, later benefitting from a fundraiser to pay her fines.<ref>[https://www.gofundme.com/f/vxgt7q Pieper Lewis Gofundme, following deadly assault on 37 year old Zachary Brooks]</ref> The limits on the fundraiser were raised after it was exceded, and she was praised as "brave" in parts of the mainstream media:

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	==See also==		==See also==
			[[File:Map620.png\|thumb\|This is sadly a common belief on X.com]]
	*[[Conspiratorialism]] - This argument is conspiracy-adjacent to put it lightly.		*[[Conspiratorialism]] - This argument is conspiracy-adjacent to put it lightly.
	*[[Anti]] - As can be seen, many conspiracy theorists and vigilantes use [[child pornography]] or have offences for unlawful sex with a minor, demonstrating possible reaction formation.		*[[Anti]] - As can be seen, many conspiracy theorists and vigilantes use [[child pornography]] or have offences for unlawful sex with a minor, demonstrating possible reaction formation.

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	<div style="margin-right: 25px; float: left;">__TOC__</div>[[File:Nettie 01.clean.jpeg\|200px\|thumb\|Nettie Pollard in her later years, wearing her GLF badge.]]'''Janet (Nettie) Marian Mackenzie Pollard''' (6th September 1949 - 25th December 2025), known in life as '''Nettie Pollard''', was a pioneering British lesbian activist and civil rights campaigner. She is known primarily for her early involvement with the UK branch of the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_Liberation_Front# Gay Liberation Front] (GLF, founded in 1970), her work with the National Council for Civil Liberties (NCCL, later [[wikipedia:Liberty_(advocacy_group)\|Liberty]]), and her involvement with the group [[wikipedia:Feminists_Against_Censorship\|Feminists Against Censorship]]. Nettie attended and helped to organize the UK's first Gay Pride March, which took place in London on the 1st of July, 1972.<ref>Alastair James, [https://www.attitude.co.uk/uncategorised/worlds-first-ever-pride-march-in-1972-remembered-by-gay-liberation-front-veterans-403931/ World's first-ever Pride march in 1972 remembered by Gay Liberation Front veterans] (''Attitude Magazine'', 24 July 2022); cf. Peter Scott-Presland's obituary for Nettie (cited below), which describes Nettie as a "planner" of the march.</ref>		<div style="margin-right: 25px; float: left;">__TOC__</div>[[File:Nettie 01.clean.jpeg\|200px\|thumb\|Nettie Pollard in her later years, wearing her GLF badge.]]'''Janet (Nettie) Marian Mackenzie Pollard''' (6th September 1949 - 25th December 2025), known in life as '''Nettie Pollard''', was a pioneering British lesbian activist and civil rights campaigner. She is known primarily for her early involvement with the UK branch of the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_Liberation_Front# Gay Liberation Front] (GLF, founded in 1970), her work with the National Council for Civil Liberties (NCCL, later [[wikipedia:Liberty_(advocacy_group)\|Liberty]]), and her involvement with the group [[wikipedia:Feminists_Against_Censorship\|Feminists Against Censorship]]. Nettie attended and helped to organize the UK's first Gay Pride March, which took place in London on the 1st of July, 1972.<ref>Alastair James, [https://www.attitude.co.uk/uncategorised/worlds-first-ever-pride-march-in-1972-remembered-by-gay-liberation-front-veterans-403931/ World's first-ever Pride march in 1972 remembered by Gay Liberation Front veterans] (''Attitude Magazine'', 24 July 2022); cf. Peter Scott-Presland's obituary for Nettie (cited below), which describes Nettie as a "planner" of the march.</ref>

	[[Historical_examples_of_LGBT-MAP_unity\|Similar to many early gay and sexual liberation activists]] who had lived through a time where homosexuality was a "stigma symbol" - as Nettie's friend [[Ken Plummer]] (1973) put it - where to "be publicly known as a homosexual [was] to invite your employer to sack you, your parents to reject you, the law to imprison you, the doctor to cure you, the moralist to denounce you, [...] and the queer basher to kill you" (''Ibid''.).<ref>See [[Ken Plummer]], [https://kenplummer.com/2013/01/30/early-research-awareness-of-homosexuality/ "Awareness of Homosexuality"] (1973).</ref>, Nettie was sympathetic towards other sexual minorities including [[MAP]]s and transgender people.		[[Historical_examples_of_LGBT-MAP_unity\|Similar to many early gay and sexual liberation activists]] who had lived through a time where homosexuality was a "stigma symbol" - as Nettie's friend [[Ken Plummer]] (1973) put it - where to "be publicly known as a homosexual [was] to invite your employer to sack you, your parents to reject you, the law to imprison you, the doctor to cure you, the moralist to denounce you, [...] and the queer basher to kill you" (''Ibid''.),<ref>See [[Ken Plummer]], [https://kenplummer.com/2013/01/30/early-research-awareness-of-homosexuality/ "Awareness of Homosexuality"] (1973).</ref> Nettie was sympathetic towards other sexual minorities including [[MAP]]s and transgender people.

	==Early Life==		==Early Life==
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	The British art curator and gay activist [https://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/obituary-barry-prothero-1313047.html Barry Prothero] - Nettie's colleague and fellow NCCL Gay Rights Officer - attended some of the PIE trial proceedings. He wrote to gay rights campaigners in Canada such as [[Gerald Hannon]] of the ''Body Politic'', and in correspondence named British diplomat [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Hayman_(diplomat) Sir Peter Hayman] as the reason for a 'cover-up' by the British authorities. "It is clear that most of the evidence that was not used was dropped because Hayman [...] was the central figure in its production," he wrote, adding that "although assisting in a “cover-up” may be distasteful, not only the defendants but the entire gay movement in this country would be delighted if this one [i.e. cover-up] succeeded in order to keep the case out of court."<ref>See Moores (2017), Op. Cit. Pages 199-200.</ref>		The British art curator and gay activist [https://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/obituary-barry-prothero-1313047.html Barry Prothero] - Nettie's colleague and fellow NCCL Gay Rights Officer - attended some of the PIE trial proceedings. He wrote to gay rights campaigners in Canada such as [[Gerald Hannon]] of the ''Body Politic'', and in correspondence named British diplomat [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Hayman_(diplomat) Sir Peter Hayman] as the reason for a 'cover-up' by the British authorities. "It is clear that most of the evidence that was not used was dropped because Hayman [...] was the central figure in its production," he wrote, adding that "although assisting in a “cover-up” may be distasteful, not only the defendants but the entire gay movement in this country would be delighted if this one [i.e. cover-up] succeeded in order to keep the case out of court."<ref>See Moores (2017), Op. Cit. Pages 199-200.</ref>

	During this period, two lawyers associated with the NCCL, Sir Peter Thornton<ref>See his [https://www.kcl.ac.uk/people/sir-peter-thornton-1 KCL University profile] which describes his extensive work and writings on civil liberties issues, noting that "As Chair of the National Council for Liberties and the Civil Liberties Trust, he lobbied Parliament over the ‘sus’ law, identification evidence, confessions and the right to public protest." For discussion, see [https://www.theguardian.com/law/2014/mar/25/who-judges-the-judges ''Guardian'' article].</ref> and [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Fulford Adrian Fulford] (later Lord Justice Fulford), the latter a member of the NCCL's Gay Rights Sub-Committee, defended members of PIE in court in the late 1970s and early 1980s ~~- though~~ not under NCCL auspices. According to Moores,		During this period, two lawyers associated with the NCCL, Sir [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Thornton_(judge) Peter Thornton]<ref>See his [https://www.kcl.ac.uk/people/sir-peter-thornton-1 KCL University profile] which describes his extensive work and writings on civil liberties issues, noting that "As Chair of the National Council for Liberties and the Civil Liberties Trust, he lobbied Parliament over the ‘sus’ law, identification evidence, confessions and the right to public protest." For discussion, see [https://www.theguardian.com/law/2014/mar/25/who-judges-the-judges ''Guardian'' article].</ref> and [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Fulford Adrian Fulford] (later Lord Justice Fulford), the latter a member of the NCCL's Gay Rights Sub-Committee, defended members of PIE in court.<ref>Note: These individuals defended PIE members in court during the late 1970s and early 1980s, but not under NCCL auspices.</ref> According to Moores,

	<blockquote>''The NCCL was also concerned about issues of employment and privacy for individuals who had not committed any crimes. The ‘exposure’ of paedophiles in the media was, to its Gay Rights Sub Committee, very worrying. In particular, it expressed concern about the way in which a group of men, who had not been convicted or charged for offences, were described in the Sunday People exposure of PAL as the ‘Vilest Men in Britain’. The Gay Rights Sub-Committee supported [[Tom O'Carroll]] when he was sacked from his post as Press Officer at the Open University (over which he was also defended by the National Union of Journalists and the Association of University Teachers, who feared that the case might set precedents for dismissing those with [[Communism\|‘Marxist views’]])". [...] Pollard and those on her sub-committee closely monitored attempts to prosecute PIE leaders [... and were] especially anxious about the charge of ‘conspiracy to corrupt public morals’. PIE members were charged on conspiracy, obscenity and postal offences; it is worth remembering that at the time no offences against children were raised and no evidence was produced that demonstrated that an adult met a child through PIE.'' (p. 198).</blockquote>		<blockquote>''The NCCL was also concerned about issues of employment and privacy for individuals who had not committed any crimes. The ‘exposure’ of paedophiles in the media was, to its Gay Rights Sub Committee, very worrying. In particular, it expressed concern about the way in which a group of men, who had not been convicted or charged for offences, were described in the Sunday People exposure of PAL as the ‘Vilest Men in Britain’. The Gay Rights Sub-Committee supported [[Tom O'Carroll]] when he was sacked from his post as Press Officer at the Open University (over which he was also defended by the National Union of Journalists and the Association of University Teachers, who feared that the case might set precedents for dismissing those with [[Communism\|‘Marxist views’]])". [...] Pollard and those on her sub-committee closely monitored attempts to prosecute PIE leaders [... and were] especially anxious about the charge of ‘conspiracy to corrupt public morals’. PIE members were charged on conspiracy, obscenity and postal offences; it is worth remembering that at the time no offences against children were raised and no evidence was produced that demonstrated that an adult met a child through PIE.'' (p. 198).</blockquote>
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	==PIE, CHE, and Youth Rights==		==PIE, CHE, and Youth Rights==

	Nettie Pollard played a leading role in the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campaign_for_Homosexual_Equality Campaign for Homosexual Equality], who voted to support PIE at their 1975 conference, and defended PIE's "right to speak and organize freely" at their 1983 conference. Earlier in 1974, the CHE made statements of solidarity with PIE at its annual conference, and included adverts for the group in its ''Bulletin''.		Nettie Pollard played a leading role in the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campaign_for_Homosexual_Equality Campaign for Homosexual Equality], who voted to support PIE at their 1975 conference, and defended PIE's right to speak and organize freely at their 1983 conference. Earlier in 1974, the CHE made statements of solidarity with PIE at its annual conference, and included adverts for the group in its ''Bulletin''.

	In May 1974, CHE's Working Party on Law Reform proposed lowering the age of consent to 16, or 12 in some legal cases. At the time 200-300 youth, mostly young men between 16-20 years old, were being prosecuted for consensual homosexual acts every year. After internal review, in 1973, the idea of twelve for age of consent was dropped. In 1977, CHE passed a resolution at its conference, "supported by the vast majority of delegates", which condemned press harassment of the [[Paedophile Information Exchange]].<ref>Source: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campaign_for_Homosexual_Equality Wikipedia].</ref>		In May 1974, CHE's Working Party on Law Reform proposed lowering the age of consent to 16, or 12 in some legal cases. At the time 200-300 youth, mostly young men between 16-20 years old, were being prosecuted for consensual homosexual acts every year. After internal review, in 1973, the idea of twelve for age of consent was dropped. In 1977, CHE passed a resolution at its conference, "supported by the vast majority of delegates", which condemned press harassment of the [[Paedophile Information Exchange]].<ref>Source: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campaign_for_Homosexual_Equality Wikipedia].</ref>

	CHE "urged caution in responding to PIE, noting ‘as victims of prejudice ourselves’ it was important to think about how wrong information and misconceptions ‘might prevent understanding’." (Moores, 2017, p. 207). ~~As late as~~ 1984, when PIE was in the process of winding up, the CHE continued to recognize that pedophiles still had rights and that it would not ‘disown’ the organization. (''Ibid''.).		CHE "urged caution in responding to PIE, noting ‘as victims of prejudice ourselves’ it was important to think about how wrong information and misconceptions ‘might prevent understanding’." (Moores, 2017, p. 207). In 1984, when PIE was in the process of winding up, the CHE continued to recognize that pedophiles still had rights and that it would not ‘disown’ the organization. (''Ibid''.).

	In 2010/2011, CHE's annual report shows they had two PIE members on their Executive Commitee – [[Barry Cutler]] & Nettie Pollard. The links between gay rights groups, PIE, and gay activists such as Nettie, have been explored in historian Lucy Robinson's book ''Gay Men and the Left in Post-War Britain: How the Personal Got Political'' (Manchester University Press, 2007).<ref>Robinson, L. (2007). [http://www.jstor.org/stable/j.ctt155jf8t ''Gay men and the Left in post-war Britain: How the personal got political''] (Manchester University Press).</ref>		In 2010/2011, CHE's annual report shows they had two PIE members on their Executive Commitee – [[Barry Cutler]] & Nettie Pollard. The links between gay rights groups, PIE, and gay activists such as Nettie, have been explored in historian Lucy Robinson's book ''Gay Men and the Left in Post-War Britain: How the Personal Got Political'' (Manchester University Press, 2007).<ref>Robinson, L. (2007). [http://www.jstor.org/stable/j.ctt155jf8t ''Gay men and the Left in post-war Britain: How the personal got political''] (Manchester University Press).</ref>
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	She also joined the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campaign_for_Homosexual_Equality Campaign for Homosexual Equality]'s executive committee in 2009, and campaigned for LGBT+ migrants and asylum seekers, including personally organizing finance and defense for several people whose chances of asylum were written off by others.		She also joined the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campaign_for_Homosexual_Equality Campaign for Homosexual Equality]'s executive committee in 2009, and campaigned for LGBT+ migrants and asylum seekers, including personally organizing finance and defense for several people whose chances of asylum were written off by others.

	Nettie published her most overt perspective on [[MAP]] related issues, in a book chapter titled "The Small Matter of Children." Published in ''Bad Girls and Dirty Pictures: The Challenge to Reclaim Feminism'' (1993), edited by Alison Assiter and Avedon Carol<ref>Avedon Carol being Nettie's friend, the founder of Feminists Against Censorship, and co-author of "Changing Perceptions of the Feminist Debate" with Nettie in the same volume. See also, [https://grokipedia.com/page/avedon_carol Avedon Carol] - Grokpedia.</ref>, the book included contributions from [[Gayle Rubin]] and Tuppy Owens among others. For her part, Nettie argued that "The British [[Feminism\|feminist movement]] has never really addressed the issue of children's liberation."<ref>Nettie Pollard, 'The Small Matter of Children,' in ''Bad Girls and Dirty Pictures: The Challenge to Reclaim Feminism'', ed. by Alison Assiter and Avedon Carol (Boulder, Colorado: Pluto Press, 1993), pp. 105-111. [[https://www.jstor.org/stable/jj.38401871.21 Jstor] link]. [[https://annas-archive.gl/md5/38138de0c0ef229d5cd9075b1661275a Annas Archive PDF] link].</ref> She criticized how the women's movement "would sometimes even cooperate with the most vicious arms of the patriarchal state." Raising the case of anti-'snuff film' campaigns, she wrote that:		Nettie published her most overt perspective on [[MAP]] related issues, in a book chapter titled "The Small Matter of Children." Published in ''Bad Girls and Dirty Pictures: The Challenge to Reclaim Feminism'' (1993), edited by Alison Assiter and Avedon Carol,<ref>Avedon Carol being Nettie's friend, the founder of Feminists Against Censorship, and co-author of "Changing Perceptions of the Feminist Debate" with Nettie in the same volume. See also, [https://grokipedia.com/page/avedon_carol Avedon Carol] - Grokpedia.</ref> the book included contributions from [[Gayle Rubin]] and Tuppy Owens among others. For her part, Nettie argued that "The British [[Feminism\|feminist movement]] has never really addressed the issue of children's liberation."<ref>Nettie Pollard, 'The Small Matter of Children,' in ''Bad Girls and Dirty Pictures: The Challenge to Reclaim Feminism'', ed. by Alison Assiter and Avedon Carol (Boulder, Colorado: Pluto Press, 1993), pp. 105-111. [[https://www.jstor.org/stable/jj.38401871.21 Jstor] link]. [[https://annas-archive.gl/md5/38138de0c0ef229d5cd9075b1661275a Annas Archive PDF] link].</ref> She criticized how the women's movement "would sometimes even cooperate with the most vicious arms of the patriarchal state." Raising the case of anti-'snuff film' campaigns, she wrote that:

	<blockquote>''To date, no ‘snuff’ movie, (i.e. where actors are actually killed), has been discovered by police anywhere in the world. No bodies have ever been discovered, and ‘Operation Orchid’ seems to have disappeared, but fear and loathing have been implanted in women's minds.''</blockquote>		<blockquote>''To date, no ‘snuff’ movie, (i.e. where actors are actually killed), has been discovered by police anywhere in the world. No bodies have ever been discovered, and ‘Operation Orchid’ seems to have disappeared, but fear and loathing have been implanted in women's minds.''</blockquote>