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	==Beatrice Faust's pro-sex feminist writings on MAPs and youth sexuality==		==Beatrice Faust's pro-sex feminist writings on MAPs and youth sexuality==

	*Faust, B. (1986). 'The paedophiles', in ''The Betrayal of Youth: Radical Perspectives on Childhood Sexuality, Intergenerational Sex, and the Social Oppression of Children and Young People'', Edited by Warren Middleton (CL Publications: London), pp. 107-115.<ref>[https://~~web.archive.org/web/20221126181804/https://ianpace.wordpress~~.~~com/2014~~/~~07/05/betrayal-of-youth-1986-including-the-contributions-of-middleton-owens-faust-tatchell~~/ Faust, B. (1986). 'The paedophiles', in ''The Betrayal of Youth: Radical Perspectives on Childhood Sexuality, Intergenerational Sex, and the Social Oppression of Children and Young People'', Edited by Warren Middleton (CL Publications: London), pp. 107-115.]</ref>		*Faust, B. (1986). 'The paedophiles', in [[The_Betrayal_of_Youth_(Book)\|''The Betrayal of Youth: Radical Perspectives on Childhood Sexuality, Intergenerational Sex, and the Social Oppression of Children and Young People'']], Edited by Warren Middleton (CL Publications: London), pp. 107-115.<ref>[https://library.lol/main/D3E65600BCD53F898EE99AEBF6BCBC24 Faust, B. (1986). 'The paedophiles', in ''The Betrayal of Youth: Radical Perspectives on Childhood Sexuality, Intergenerational Sex, and the Social Oppression of Children and Young People'', Edited by Warren Middleton (CL Publications: London), pp. 107-115.]</ref>

	Faust explores Glenn Wilson's study of PIE members, "Childlovers: A Study of Paedophiles in Society" (1983)<ref>[https://archive.org/details/childlovers Glenn Wilson: ''"Childlovers: A Study of Paedophiles in Society"'' (1983)]</ref>, discussing its flaws by contrasting it with Paul Gebhard's (1965) book-length study "[[Wikipedia:Sex_Offenders_(1965_book)\|Sex Offenders]]," and Paul Wilson's (1981) book "The Man They Called a Monster,"<ref>[https://www.ipce.info/host/wilson/index.htm Paul Wilson, ''"The Man They Called a Monster"'' (1981)]</ref> on practicing MAP Clarence Osborne's positive age-disparate sexual experiences. Faust also makes general statements of interest, including criticizing early Feminists as mired by the popular sex-negative Victorian moralism of their era.		Faust explores Glenn Wilson's study of PIE members, "Childlovers: A Study of Paedophiles in Society" (1983)<ref>[https://archive.org/details/childlovers Glenn Wilson: ''"Childlovers: A Study of Paedophiles in Society"'' (1983)]</ref>, discussing its flaws by contrasting it with Paul Gebhard's (1965) book-length study "[[Wikipedia:Sex_Offenders_(1965_book)\|Sex Offenders]]," and Paul Wilson's (1981) book "The Man They Called a Monster,"<ref>[https://www.ipce.info/host/wilson/index.htm Paul Wilson, ''"The Man They Called a Monster"'' (1981)]</ref> on practicing MAP Clarence Osborne's positive age-disparate sexual experiences. Faust also makes general statements of interest, including criticizing early Feminists as mired by the popular sex-negative Victorian moralism of their era.

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	''Some current activists against child sexual abuse misrepresent the best case/worst case contrast in these two accounts, quoting Gagnon as if he had said all adult-child contact was devastating, and condemning Kinsey as if he had dismissed all contact as trivial. ''[…]'' [T]here are strong hints that many boys who have experienced non-violent relationships with men who are not family members suffer few, if any, ill effects, while girls who have had incestuous relationships suffer profoundly.'' (pp. 81-82).		''Some current activists against child sexual abuse misrepresent the best case/worst case contrast in these two accounts, quoting Gagnon as if he had said all adult-child contact was devastating, and condemning Kinsey as if he had dismissed all contact as trivial. ''[…]'' [T]here are strong hints that many boys who have experienced non-violent relationships with men who are not family members suffer few, if any, ill effects, while girls who have had incestuous relationships suffer profoundly.'' (pp. 81-82).

	''Current age-of-consent laws and policies ignore male/female differences ''[...]'' The Netherlands provides a model that avoids this risk ''[... where]'' the age of consent remains 16 for both sexes but the possibility of consent between 12 and 16 is protected. A consenting child may refuse to complain while a child who wishes to complain may do so, and parents may complain on behalf of the child. The Child Protection Authority may complain on behalf of children in cases where they may have difficulty complaining against family members. Incest as such is not a punishable offence as the offence lies in the abuse of authority and the use of violence. Section 165a of the Code of Criminal Procedure obliges the public prosecutor to ask the minor's opinion of the desirability of a prosecution. In exceptional cases the public prosecutor may over-ride a child's wishes.'' (pp. 84-85).</blockquote>		''Current age-of-consent laws and policies ignore male/female differences ''[...]'' The Netherlands provides a model that avoids this risk ''[... where]'' the age of consent remains 16 for both sexes but the possibility of [[consent]] between 12 and 16 is protected. A consenting child may refuse to complain while a child who wishes to complain may do so, and parents may complain on behalf of the child. The Child Protection Authority may complain on behalf of children in cases where they may have difficulty complaining against family members. Incest as such is not a punishable offence as the offence lies in the abuse of authority and the use of violence. Section 165a of the Code of Criminal Procedure obliges the public prosecutor to ask the minor's opinion of the desirability of a prosecution. In exceptional cases the public prosecutor may over-ride a child's wishes.'' (pp. 84-85).</blockquote>

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	'''Beatrice Eileen Faust''' [[Wikipedia:Order_of_Australia#Officer_(AO)\|AO]] (19 February 1939 – 30 October 2019) was an Australian [[Feminism\|Feminist]] author and women's activist, who wrote sympathetically on MAPs and youth sexuality. In 1966 she was president of the ''Victorian Abortion Law Repeal Association''. She was also a co-founder of the Women's Electoral Lobby in 1972 and co-founder of the ''Victorian Union of Civil Liberties'' c. 1966.		'''Beatrice Eileen Faust''' [[Wikipedia:Order_of_Australia#Officer_(AO)\|AO]] (19 February 1939 – 30 October 2019) was an Australian [[Feminism\|Feminist]] author and women's activist, who wrote sympathetically on MAPs and youth sexuality. In 1966 she was president of the ''Victorian Abortion Law Repeal Association''. She was also a co-founder of the Women's Electoral Lobby in 1972 and co-founder of the ''Victorian Union of Civil Liberties'' c. 1966.

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	*Faust, B. (1986). 'The paedophiles', in ''The Betrayal of Youth: Radical Perspectives on Childhood Sexuality, Intergenerational Sex, and the Social Oppression of Children and Young People'', Edited by Warren Middleton (CL Publications: London), pp. 107-115.<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20221126181804/https://ianpace.wordpress.com/2014/07/05/betrayal-of-youth-1986-including-the-contributions-of-middleton-owens-faust-tatchell/ Faust, B. (1986). 'The paedophiles', in ''The Betrayal of Youth: Radical Perspectives on Childhood Sexuality, Intergenerational Sex, and the Social Oppression of Children and Young People'', Edited by Warren Middleton (CL Publications: London), pp. 107-115.]</ref>		*Faust, B. (1986). 'The paedophiles', in ''The Betrayal of Youth: Radical Perspectives on Childhood Sexuality, Intergenerational Sex, and the Social Oppression of Children and Young People'', Edited by Warren Middleton (CL Publications: London), pp. 107-115.<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20221126181804/https://ianpace.wordpress.com/2014/07/05/betrayal-of-youth-1986-including-the-contributions-of-middleton-owens-faust-tatchell/ Faust, B. (1986). 'The paedophiles', in ''The Betrayal of Youth: Radical Perspectives on Childhood Sexuality, Intergenerational Sex, and the Social Oppression of Children and Young People'', Edited by Warren Middleton (CL Publications: London), pp. 107-115.]</ref>

	:Faust explores Glenn Wilson's study of PIE members, "Childlovers: A Study of Paedophiles in Society" (1983)<ref>[https://archive.org/details/childlovers Glenn Wilson: ''"Childlovers: A Study of Paedophiles in Society"'' (1983)]</ref>, discussing its flaws by contrasting it with Paul Gebhard's (1965) book-length study "[[Wikipedia:Sex_Offenders_(1965_book)\|Sex Offenders]]," and Paul Wilson's (1981) book "The Man They Called a Monster,"<ref>[https://www.ipce.info/host/wilson/index.htm Paul Wilson, ''"The Man They Called a Monster"'' (1981)]</ref> on practicing MAP Clarence Osborne's positive age-disparate sexual experiences. Faust also makes general statements of interest, including criticizing early Feminists as mired by the popular sex-negative Victorian moralism of their era.		Faust explores Glenn Wilson's study of PIE members, "Childlovers: A Study of Paedophiles in Society" (1983)<ref>[https://archive.org/details/childlovers Glenn Wilson: ''"Childlovers: A Study of Paedophiles in Society"'' (1983)]</ref>, discussing its flaws by contrasting it with Paul Gebhard's (1965) book-length study "[[Wikipedia:Sex_Offenders_(1965_book)\|Sex Offenders]]," and Paul Wilson's (1981) book "The Man They Called a Monster,"<ref>[https://www.ipce.info/host/wilson/index.htm Paul Wilson, ''"The Man They Called a Monster"'' (1981)]</ref> on practicing MAP Clarence Osborne's positive age-disparate sexual experiences. Faust also makes general statements of interest, including criticizing early Feminists as mired by the popular sex-negative Victorian moralism of their era.

	<blockquote>''Orthodoxy teaches that children are, or should be, sexless, equating innocence with ignorance and immaturity. Suffragettes in all countries initiated age of consent and incest laws to protect children from sexual exploitation - which was a real hazard - and premature sexual awakening - which was a Victorian middle-class phobia. [...] Even now, in the 1980s, the problems continue. Despite much extensive research, children are still regarded as sexless"'' (p. 111).		<blockquote>''Orthodoxy teaches that children are, or should be, sexless, equating innocence with ignorance and immaturity. Suffragettes in all countries initiated age of consent and incest laws to protect children from sexual exploitation - which was a real hazard - and premature sexual awakening - which was a Victorian middle-class phobia. ''[...]'' Even now, in the 1980s, the problems continue. Despite much extensive research, children are still regarded as sexless"'' (p. 111).

	''In ten detailed biographies [in Wilson & Cox], we find that no less that two hundred children were involved in relationships which lasted from six months to ten years. [...] Ages of consent and indecent assault laws did not prevent these incidents [...] [T]he pedophile is not simply playing a temporary role, for his/her preference is at the core of his/her sexual identity, although he/she can choose whether or not to express this proclivity. Therapy or punishment is useless.'' (pp. 112-114).</blockquote>		''In ten detailed biographies [in Wilson & Cox], we find that no less that two hundred children were involved in relationships which lasted from six months to ten years. ''[...]'' Ages of consent and indecent assault laws did not prevent these incidents ''[...]'' [T]he pedophile is not simply playing a temporary role, for his/her preference is at the core of his/her sexual identity, although he/she can choose whether or not to express this proclivity. Therapy or punishment is useless.'' (pp. 112-114).</blockquote>

	*Faust, B. (1995) [[Media:(1995) Faust - Child Sexuality and AOC - The Netherlands Model.pdf\|"Child sexuality and age of consent laws: The Netherlands model."]] Australasian Gay and Lesbian Law Journal, 5, pp. 78-85.<ref>[[Media:(1995) Faust - Child Sexuality and AOC - The Netherlands Model.pdf\|Faust, B. (1995) "Child sexuality and age of consent laws: The Netherlands model." Australasian Gay and Lesbian Law Journal, 5, pp. 78-85.]]</ref>		*Faust, B. (1995) [[Media:(1995) Faust - Child Sexuality and AOC - The Netherlands Model.pdf\|"Child sexuality and age of consent laws: The Netherlands model."]] Australasian Gay and Lesbian Law Journal, 5, pp. 78-85.<ref>[[Media:(1995) Faust - Child Sexuality and AOC - The Netherlands Model.pdf\|Faust, B. (1995) "Child sexuality and age of consent laws: The Netherlands model." Australasian Gay and Lesbian Law Journal, 5, pp. 78-85.]]</ref>

	<blockquote>''After studying children aged 5-15 years in four cultures, Ronald and Juliette Goldman concluded:''		<blockquote>''After studying children aged 5-15 years in four cultures, Ronald and Juliette Goldman concluded:''

	''"One fact is abundantly clear. Children perceive it is the adults who have hang-ups about sex, and adults who deliberately or unconsciously withhold the information and knowledge the children seek"'' (p. 79).		''"One fact is abundantly clear. Children perceive it is the adults who have hang-ups about sex, and adults who deliberately or unconsciously withhold the information and knowledge the children seek"'' (p. 79).

	''Almost none of the child sexual abuse literature treats children as agents or developing sexual beings and certainly not as sexual agents. (p. 80). [...] Doubtless the obscurantism that confuses types of sexual contact, sex of children, and outcomes, may be justified by the urgency of the problem for the worst cases, but it is not purely altruistic. As with the suffragette generation, the concern to protect children is tainted by misandry, refusal to recognise that worst and best cases occur and a denial of sexuality itself. [...] Much information on the ill-effects of early child-adult sexual contact comes from children who are in therapy or involved with legal proceedings, or from adults who have entered therapy. Such information probably represents the worst cases'' (p. 81).		''Almost none of the child sexual abuse literature treats children as agents or developing sexual beings and certainly not as sexual agents. (p. 80). ''[...]'' Doubtless the obscurantism that confuses types of sexual contact, sex of children, and outcomes, may be justified by the urgency of the problem for the worst cases, but it is not purely altruistic. As with the suffragette generation, the concern to protect children is tainted by misandry, refusal to recognise that worst and best cases occur and a denial of sexuality itself. ''[...]'' Much information on the ill-effects of early child-adult sexual contact comes from children who are in therapy or involved with legal proceedings, or from adults who have entered therapy. Such information probably represents the worst cases'' (p. 81).

	''Gagnon's retrospective re-analysis of the Kinsey interview material (333 subjects) compares worst and best cases, showing that repeated exposure to aggression over time is extremely disorganising into adult life. About 80 percent of women who experienced repeated coerced sexual contact before puberty experienced serious difficulties in adult life, but fewer than 7 percent of women with lesser types of sexual contact before puberty experienced difficulty.'' (p. 81).		''Gagnon's retrospective re-analysis of the Kinsey interview material (333 subjects) compares worst and best cases, showing that repeated exposure to aggression over time is extremely disorganising into adult life. About 80 percent of women who experienced repeated coerced sexual contact before puberty experienced serious difficulties in adult life, but fewer than 7 percent of women with lesser types of sexual contact before puberty experienced difficulty.'' (p. 81).

	''Some current activists against child sexual abuse misrepresent the best case/worst case contrast in these two accounts, quoting Gagnon as if he had said all adult-child contact was devastating, and condemning Kinsey as if he had dismissed all contact as trivial. […] [T]here are strong hints that many boys who have experienced non-violent relationships with men who are not family members suffer few, if any, ill effects, while girls who have had incestuous relationships suffer profoundly.'' (pp. 81-82).		''Some current activists against child sexual abuse misrepresent the best case/worst case contrast in these two accounts, quoting Gagnon as if he had said all adult-child contact was devastating, and condemning Kinsey as if he had dismissed all contact as trivial. ''[…]'' [T]here are strong hints that many boys who have experienced non-violent relationships with men who are not family members suffer few, if any, ill effects, while girls who have had incestuous relationships suffer profoundly.'' (pp. 81-82).

	''Current age-of-consent laws and policies ignore male/female differences [...] The Netherlands provides a model that avoids this risk [... where] the age of consent remains 16 for both sexes but the possibility of consent between 12 and 16 is protected. A consenting child may refuse to complain while a child who wishes to complain may do so, and parents may complain on behalf of the child. The Child Protection Authority may complain on behalf of children in cases where they may have difficulty complaining against family members. Incest as such is not a punishable offence as the offence lies in the abuse of authority and the use of violence. Section 165a of the Code of Criminal Procedure obliges the public prosecutor to ask the minor's opinion of the desirability of a prosecution. In exceptional cases the public prosecutor may over-ride a child's wishes.'' (pp. 84-85).</blockquote>		''Current age-of-consent laws and policies ignore male/female differences ''[...]'' The Netherlands provides a model that avoids this risk ''[... where]'' the age of consent remains 16 for both sexes but the possibility of consent between 12 and 16 is protected. A consenting child may refuse to complain while a child who wishes to complain may do so, and parents may complain on behalf of the child. The Child Protection Authority may complain on behalf of children in cases where they may have difficulty complaining against family members. Incest as such is not a punishable offence as the offence lies in the abuse of authority and the use of violence. Section 165a of the Code of Criminal Procedure obliges the public prosecutor to ask the minor's opinion of the desirability of a prosecution. In exceptional cases the public prosecutor may over-ride a child's wishes.'' (pp. 84-85).</blockquote>

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	*Faust, B. (1986). 'The paedophiles', in ''The Betrayal of Youth: Radical Perspectives on Childhood Sexuality, Intergenerational Sex, and the Social Oppression of Children and Young People'', Edited by Warren Middleton (CL Publications: London), pp. 107-115.<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20221126181804/https://ianpace.wordpress.com/2014/07/05/betrayal-of-youth-1986-including-the-contributions-of-middleton-owens-faust-tatchell/ Faust, B. (1986). 'The paedophiles', in ''The Betrayal of Youth: Radical Perspectives on Childhood Sexuality, Intergenerational Sex, and the Social Oppression of Children and Young People'', Edited by Warren Middleton (CL Publications: London), pp. 107-115.]</ref>		*Faust, B. (1986). 'The paedophiles', in ''The Betrayal of Youth: Radical Perspectives on Childhood Sexuality, Intergenerational Sex, and the Social Oppression of Children and Young People'', Edited by Warren Middleton (CL Publications: London), pp. 107-115.<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20221126181804/https://ianpace.wordpress.com/2014/07/05/betrayal-of-youth-1986-including-the-contributions-of-middleton-owens-faust-tatchell/ Faust, B. (1986). 'The paedophiles', in ''The Betrayal of Youth: Radical Perspectives on Childhood Sexuality, Intergenerational Sex, and the Social Oppression of Children and Young People'', Edited by Warren Middleton (CL Publications: London), pp. 107-115.]</ref>

	:Faust explores Glenn Wilson's study of PIE members, "Childlovers: A Study of Paedophiles in Society" (1983)<ref>[https://archive.org/details/childlovers Glenn Wilson: ''"Childlovers: A Study of Paedophiles in Society"'' (1983)]</ref>, discussing its flaws by contrasting it with Paul Gebhard's (1965) book-length study "[[Wikipedia:Sex_Offenders_(1965_book)\|Sex Offenders]]," and Paul Wilson's (1981) book "The Man They Called a Monster,"<ref>[https://www.ipce.info/host/wilson/ Paul Wilson, ''"The Man They Called a Monster"'' (1981)]</ref> on practicing MAP Clarence Osborne's positive age-disparate sexual experiences. Faust also makes general statements of interest, including criticizing early Feminists as mired by the popular sex-negative Victorian moralism of their era.		:Faust explores Glenn Wilson's study of PIE members, "Childlovers: A Study of Paedophiles in Society" (1983)<ref>[https://archive.org/details/childlovers Glenn Wilson: ''"Childlovers: A Study of Paedophiles in Society"'' (1983)]</ref>, discussing its flaws by contrasting it with Paul Gebhard's (1965) book-length study "[[Wikipedia:Sex_Offenders_(1965_book)\|Sex Offenders]]," and Paul Wilson's (1981) book "The Man They Called a Monster,"<ref>[https://www.ipce.info/host/wilson/index.htm Paul Wilson, ''"The Man They Called a Monster"'' (1981)]</ref> on practicing MAP Clarence Osborne's positive age-disparate sexual experiences. Faust also makes general statements of interest, including criticizing early Feminists as mired by the popular sex-negative Victorian moralism of their era.

	<blockquote>''Orthodoxy teaches that children are, or should be, sexless, equating innocence with ignorance and immaturity. Suffragettes in all countries initiated age of consent and incest laws to protect children from sexual exploitation - which was a real hazard - and premature sexual awakening - which was a Victorian middle-class phobia. [...] Even now, in the 1980s, the problems continue. Despite much extensive research, children are still regarded as sexless"'' (p. 111).		<blockquote>''Orthodoxy teaches that children are, or should be, sexless, equating innocence with ignorance and immaturity. Suffragettes in all countries initiated age of consent and incest laws to protect children from sexual exploitation - which was a real hazard - and premature sexual awakening - which was a Victorian middle-class phobia. [...] Even now, in the 1980s, the problems continue. Despite much extensive research, children are still regarded as sexless"'' (p. 111).

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	*[[Wikipedia:Beatrice_Faust\|Wikipedia]] article on Beatrice Faust, with sources used in this article.		*[[Wikipedia:Beatrice_Faust\|Wikipedia]] article on Beatrice Faust, with sources used in this article.

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	*Faust, B. (1980). ''Women, Sex and Pornography'' (Penguin Books: Melbourne). [Book].		*Faust, B. (1980). ''Women, Sex and Pornography'' (Penguin Books: Melbourne). [Book].
	*Faust, B. (1991). ''Apprenticeship In Liberty'' (Angus & Robertson: North Ryde NSW). [Book].		*Faust, B. (1991). ''Apprenticeship In Liberty'' (Angus & Robertson: North Ryde NSW). [Book].

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	*Faust, B. (1986). 'The paedophiles', in ''The Betrayal of Youth: Radical Perspectives on Childhood Sexuality, Intergenerational Sex, and the Social Oppression of Children and Young People'', Edited by Warren Middleton (CL Publications: London), pp. 107-115.		*Faust, B. (1986). 'The paedophiles', in ''The Betrayal of Youth: Radical Perspectives on Childhood Sexuality, Intergenerational Sex, and the Social Oppression of Children and Young People'', Edited by Warren Middleton (CL Publications: London), pp. 107-115.<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20221126181804/https://ianpace.wordpress.com/2014/07/05/betrayal-of-youth-1986-including-the-contributions-of-middleton-owens-faust-tatchell/ Faust, B. (1986). 'The paedophiles', in ''The Betrayal of Youth: Radical Perspectives on Childhood Sexuality, Intergenerational Sex, and the Social Oppression of Children and Young People'', Edited by Warren Middleton (CL Publications: London), pp. 107-115.]</ref>

	~~[Newgon~~: Faust ~~discusses~~ Glenn Wilson's study of PIE members, "[https://archive.org/details/childlovers Childlovers: A Study of Paedophiles in Society]" (1983), discussing its flaws by contrasting it with Paul Gebhard's (1965) book-length study "[~~https~~:~~//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/~~Sex_Offenders_(1965_book) Sex Offenders]," and Paul Wilson's (1981) book "[https://www.ipce.info/host/wilson/ The Man They Called a Monster]," on practicing MAP Clarence Osborne's positive age-disparate sexual experiences. Faust also makes general statements of interest, including criticizing early Feminists as mired by the popular sex-negative Victorian moralism of their era.]		:Faust explores Glenn Wilson's study of PIE members, "Childlovers: A Study of Paedophiles in Society" (1983)<ref>[https://archive.org/details/childlovers Glenn Wilson: ''"Childlovers: A Study of Paedophiles in Society"'' (1983)]</ref>, discussing its flaws by contrasting it with Paul Gebhard's (1965) book-length study "[[Wikipedia:Sex_Offenders_(1965_book)\|Sex Offenders]]," and Paul Wilson's (1981) book "The Man They Called a Monster,"<ref>[https://www.ipce.info/host/wilson/ Paul Wilson, ''"The Man They Called a Monster"'' (1981)]</ref> on practicing MAP Clarence Osborne's positive age-disparate sexual experiences. Faust also makes general statements of interest, including criticizing early Feminists as mired by the popular sex-negative Victorian moralism of their era.

	"Orthodoxy teaches that children are, or should be, sexless, equating innocence with ignorance and immaturity. Suffragettes in all countries initiated age of consent and incest laws to protect children from sexual exploitation - which was a real hazard - and premature sexual awakening - which was a Victorian middle-class phobia. [...] Even now, in the 1980s, the problems continue. Despite much extensive research, children are still regarded as sexless" (p. 111).		<blockquote>''Orthodoxy teaches that children are, or should be, sexless, equating innocence with ignorance and immaturity. Suffragettes in all countries initiated age of consent and incest laws to protect children from sexual exploitation - which was a real hazard - and premature sexual awakening - which was a Victorian middle-class phobia. [...] Even now, in the 1980s, the problems continue. Despite much extensive research, children are still regarded as sexless"'' (p. 111).

	"In ten detailed biographies [in Wilson & Cox], we find that no less that two hundred children were involved in relationships which lasted from six months to ten years. [...] Ages of consent and indecent assault laws did not prevent these incidents [...] [T]he pedophile is not simply playing a temporary role, for his/her preference is at the core of his/her sexual identity, although he/she can choose whether or not to express this proclivity. Therapy or punishment is useless." (pp. 112-114).		''In ten detailed biographies [in Wilson & Cox], we find that no less that two hundred children were involved in relationships which lasted from six months to ten years. [...] Ages of consent and indecent assault laws did not prevent these incidents [...] [T]he pedophile is not simply playing a temporary role, for his/her preference is at the core of his/her sexual identity, although he/she can choose whether or not to express this proclivity. Therapy or punishment is useless.'' (pp. 112-114).</blockquote>

	*[[Media:(1995) Faust - Child Sexuality and AOC - The Netherlands Model.pdf\|Faust, B. (1995) "Child sexuality and age of consent laws: The Netherlands model." Australasian Gay and Lesbian Law Journal, 5, pp. 78-85.]]		*Faust, B. (1995) [[Media:(1995) Faust - Child Sexuality and AOC - The Netherlands Model.pdf\|"Child sexuality and age of consent laws: The Netherlands model."]] Australasian Gay and Lesbian Law Journal, 5, pp. 78-85.<ref>[[Media:(1995) Faust - Child Sexuality and AOC - The Netherlands Model.pdf\|Faust, B. (1995) "Child sexuality and age of consent laws: The Netherlands model." Australasian Gay and Lesbian Law Journal, 5, pp. 78-85.]]</ref>

	~~: "~~After studying children aged 5-15 years in four cultures, Ronald and Juliette Goldman concluded:		<blockquote>''After studying children aged 5-15 years in four cultures, Ronald and Juliette Goldman concluded:''
	''One fact is abundantly clear. Children perceive it is the adults who have hang-ups about sex, and adults who deliberately or unconsciously withhold the information and knowledge the children seek''" (p. 79).		''"One fact is abundantly clear. Children perceive it is the adults who have hang-ups about sex, and adults who deliberately or unconsciously withhold the information and knowledge the children seek"'' (p. 79).
	: "Almost none of the child sexual abuse literature treats children as agents or developing sexual beings and certainly not as sexual agents. (p. 80). [...] Doubtless the obscurantism that confuses types of sexual contact, sex of children, and outcomes, may be justified by the urgency of the problem for the worst cases, but it is not purely altruistic. As with the suffragette generation, the concern to protect children is tainted by misandry, refusal to recognise that worst and best cases occur and a denial of sexuality itself. [...] Much information on the ill-effects of early child-adult sexual contact comes from children who are in therapy or involved with legal proceedings, or from adults who have entered therapy. Such information probably represents the worst cases" (p. 81).
	: "Gagnon's retrospective re-analysis of the Kinsey interview material (333 subjects) compares worst and best cases, showing that repeated exposure to aggression over time is extremely disorganising into adult life. About 80 percent of women who experienced repeated coerced sexual contact before puberty experienced serious difficulties in adult life, but fewer than 7 percent of women with lesser types of sexual contact before puberty experienced difficulty." (p. 81).
	: "Some current activists against child sexual abuse misrepresent the best case/worst case contrast in these two accounts, quoting Gagnon as if he had said all adult-child contact was devastating, and condemning Kinsey as if he had dismissed all contact as trivial. […] [T]here are strong hints that many boys who have experienced non-violent relationships with men who are not family members suffer few, if any, ill effects, while girls who have had incestuous relationships suffer profoundly." (pp. 81-82).
	: "Current age-of-consent laws and policies ignore male/female differences [...] The Netherlands provides a model that avoids this risk [... where] the age of consent remains 16 for both sexes but the possibility of consent between 12 and 16 is protected. A consenting child may refuse to complain while a child who wishes to complain may do so, and parents may complain on behalf of the child. The Child Protection Authority may complain on behalf of children in cases where they may have difficulty complaining against family members. Incest as such is not a punishable offence as the offence lies in the abuse of authority and the use of violence. Section 165a of the Code of Criminal Procedure obliges the public prosecutor to ask the minor's opinion of the desirability of a prosecution. In exceptional cases the public prosecutor may over-ride a child's wishes." (pp. 84-85).

			''Almost none of the child sexual abuse literature treats children as agents or developing sexual beings and certainly not as sexual agents. (p. 80). [...] Doubtless the obscurantism that confuses types of sexual contact, sex of children, and outcomes, may be justified by the urgency of the problem for the worst cases, but it is not purely altruistic. As with the suffragette generation, the concern to protect children is tainted by misandry, refusal to recognise that worst and best cases occur and a denial of sexuality itself. [...] Much information on the ill-effects of early child-adult sexual contact comes from children who are in therapy or involved with legal proceedings, or from adults who have entered therapy. Such information probably represents the worst cases'' (p. 81).

			''Gagnon's retrospective re-analysis of the Kinsey interview material (333 subjects) compares worst and best cases, showing that repeated exposure to aggression over time is extremely disorganising into adult life. About 80 percent of women who experienced repeated coerced sexual contact before puberty experienced serious difficulties in adult life, but fewer than 7 percent of women with lesser types of sexual contact before puberty experienced difficulty.'' (p. 81).

			''Some current activists against child sexual abuse misrepresent the best case/worst case contrast in these two accounts, quoting Gagnon as if he had said all adult-child contact was devastating, and condemning Kinsey as if he had dismissed all contact as trivial. […] [T]here are strong hints that many boys who have experienced non-violent relationships with men who are not family members suffer few, if any, ill effects, while girls who have had incestuous relationships suffer profoundly.'' (pp. 81-82).

			''Current age-of-consent laws and policies ignore male/female differences [...] The Netherlands provides a model that avoids this risk [... where] the age of consent remains 16 for both sexes but the possibility of consent between 12 and 16 is protected. A consenting child may refuse to complain while a child who wishes to complain may do so, and parents may complain on behalf of the child. The Child Protection Authority may complain on behalf of children in cases where they may have difficulty complaining against family members. Incest as such is not a punishable offence as the offence lies in the abuse of authority and the use of violence. Section 165a of the Code of Criminal Procedure obliges the public prosecutor to ask the minor's opinion of the desirability of a prosecution. In exceptional cases the public prosecutor may over-ride a child's wishes.'' (pp. 84-85).</blockquote>

	'''Other works of interest:'''		'''Other works of interest:'''
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	*Faust, B. (1980). ''Women, Sex and Pornography'' (Penguin Books: Melbourne). [Book].		*Faust, B. (1980). ''Women, Sex and Pornography'' (Penguin Books: Melbourne). [Book].
	*Faust, B. (1991). ''Apprenticeship In Liberty'' (Angus & Robertson: North Ryde NSW). [Book].		*Faust, B. (1991). ''Apprenticeship In Liberty'' (Angus & Robertson: North Ryde NSW). [Book].

			==References==

	==External links==		==External links==

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Beatrice Faust's pro-sex feminist writings on MAPs and youth sexuality

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	*Faust, B. (1986). 'The paedophiles', in ''The Betrayal of Youth: Radical Perspectives on Childhood Sexuality, Intergenerational Sex, and the Social Oppression of Children and Young People'', Edited by Warren Middleton (CL Publications: London), pp. 107-115.		*Faust, B. (1986). 'The paedophiles', in ''The Betrayal of Youth: Radical Perspectives on Childhood Sexuality, Intergenerational Sex, and the Social Oppression of Children and Young People'', Edited by Warren Middleton (CL Publications: London), pp. 107-115.

	[Newgon: Faust discusses Glenn Wilson's study of PIE members, "Childlovers" (1983), contrasting it with Paul Gebhard's (1965) book "Sex Offenders," and Paul Wilson's (1981) book on practicing MAP Clarence Osborne's positive ~~intergenerational~~ experiences.		[Newgon: Faust discusses Glenn Wilson's study of PIE members, "[https://archive.org/details/childlovers Childlovers: A Study of Paedophiles in Society]" (1983), discussing its flaws by contrasting it with Paul Gebhard's (1965) book-length study "[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_Offenders_(1965_book) Sex Offenders]," and Paul Wilson's (1981) book "[https://www.ipce.info/host/wilson/ The Man They Called a Monster]," on practicing MAP Clarence Osborne's positive age-disparate sexual experiences. Faust also makes general statements of interest, including criticizing early Feminists as mired by the popular sex-negative Victorian moralism of their era.]

	"Orthodoxy teaches that children are, or should be, sexless, equating innocence with ignorance and immaturity. Suffragettes in all countries initiated age of consent and incest laws to protect children from sexual exploitation - which was a real hazard - and premature sexual awakening - which was a Victorian middle-class phobia. [...] Even now, in the 1980s, the problems continue. Despite much extensive research, children are still regarded as sexless" (p. 111).		"Orthodoxy teaches that children are, or should be, sexless, equating innocence with ignorance and immaturity. Suffragettes in all countries initiated age of consent and incest laws to protect children from sexual exploitation - which was a real hazard - and premature sexual awakening - which was a Victorian middle-class phobia. [...] Even now, in the 1980s, the problems continue. Despite much extensive research, children are still regarded as sexless" (p. 111).