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	*"''Paedophilia and Public Morals''" (1980), a booklet produced by [[The Campaign Against Public Morals]] (CAPM), a group of Left-wing activists who formed an organization in defence of [[Thomas O'Carroll]] (himself a self-identified democratic socialist and equal opportunities feminist) and his [[PIE]] co-defendants in the wake of an upcoming 1981 trial for "Conspiracy to corrupt public morals". The booklet offers [[Accounts_and_Testimonies\|testimonies]] of positive age-gap sexual contact, whilst offering philosophical treatise which scrutinize patriarchal, state and family oppression of young people.		*"''Paedophilia and Public Morals''" (1980), a booklet produced by [[The Campaign Against Public Morals]] (CAPM), a group of Left-wing activists who formed an organization in defence of [[Thomas O'Carroll]] (himself a self-identified democratic socialist and equal opportunities feminist) and his [[PIE]] co-defendants in the wake of an upcoming 1981 trial for "Conspiracy to corrupt public morals". The booklet offers [[Accounts_and_Testimonies\|testimonies]] of positive age-gap sexual contact, whilst offering philosophical treatise which scrutinize patriarchal, state and family oppression of young people.
	*Many authors in [[The_Betrayal_of_Youth_(Book)\|''The Betrayal of Youth: Radical Perspectives on Childhood Sexuality, Intergenerational Sex, and the Social Oppression of Children and Young People'']], Edited by Warren Middleton (CL Publications: London), were left-wing activists. E.g. John Lindsay, 'Socialism, Class, and Children's Rights', pp.134-141.<ref>[https://library.lol/main/D3E65600BCD53F898EE99AEBF6BCBC24 ''The Betrayal of Youth: Radical Perspectives on Childhood Sexuality, Intergenerational Sex, and the Social Oppression of Children and Young People'', ed. by Warren Middleton (London: CL Publications, 1986)]. Libgen link.</ref>		*Many authors in [[The_Betrayal_of_Youth_(Book)\|''The Betrayal of Youth: Radical Perspectives on Childhood Sexuality, Intergenerational Sex, and the Social Oppression of Children and Young People'']], Edited by Warren Middleton (CL Publications: London), were left-wing activists. E.g. John Lindsay, 'Socialism, Class, and Children's Rights', pp.134-141.<ref>[https://library.lol/main/D3E65600BCD53F898EE99AEBF6BCBC24 ''The Betrayal of Youth: Radical Perspectives on Childhood Sexuality, Intergenerational Sex, and the Social Oppression of Children and Young People'', ed. by Warren Middleton (London: CL Publications, 1986)]. Libgen link.</ref>
			*In 1978, the first chairperson of the London-based [[Paedophile Information Exchange]] Keith Hose, was interviewed in the ''Leveller'', a radical left journal. Asked to explain the links between socialism and pedophilia, he argued that "In Britain
			before capitalism one gets the impression that things were more free for pedophiles," and that pedophilia is only condemned because it "threatens some of the basic institutions of capitalism, such as the nuclear family."<ref>Interview with Keith Hose, ''Leveller'', February 1978.</ref>
	*"[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1pXPR_PtKQ Pedophilia is proletarian]" (2021) video on youtube, by Benjamin Ingram. Other videos include "[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=653CW9MYGf0 The Pedophilic Lebensraum Of Autonomous Zones]" (referring to [[Hakim Bey]]).		*"[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1pXPR_PtKQ Pedophilia is proletarian]" (2021) video on youtube, by Benjamin Ingram. Other videos include "[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=653CW9MYGf0 The Pedophilic Lebensraum Of Autonomous Zones]" (referring to [[Hakim Bey]]).
	*YouTube streamer [[Vaush]] has made various comments and arguments about [[pedophilia]], [[Child Pornography]], and [[Accounts_and_Testimonies\|mutually willing adult-child sex]], during his streaming career.		*YouTube streamer [[Vaush]] has made various comments and arguments about [[pedophilia]], [[Child Pornography]], and [[Accounts_and_Testimonies\|mutually willing adult-child sex]], during his streaming career.

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	The problem of youth sexuality was eventually deemed severe enough for the state to segregate male and female schooling. [[Ann Livschiz]] writes that this action reflected the "fundamental social conservatism of the majority of the top political leadership of the country and their great fear of youth, and particularly female, sexuality, as a force that could not be overcome, controlled or fully harnessed for the service of the state."<ref>Livschiz, Ann (2008). "Battling "Unhealthy Relations": Soviet Youth Sexuality as a Political Problem," ''Journal of Historical Sociology'', 21(4), 397-416.</ref>		The problem of youth sexuality was eventually deemed severe enough for the state to segregate male and female schooling. [[Ann Livschiz]] writes that this action reflected the "fundamental social conservatism of the majority of the top political leadership of the country and their great fear of youth, and particularly female, sexuality, as a force that could not be overcome, controlled or fully harnessed for the service of the state."<ref>Livschiz, Ann (2008). "Battling "Unhealthy Relations": Soviet Youth Sexuality as a Political Problem," ''Journal of Historical Sociology'', 21(4), 397-416.</ref>

	In the 1960s, young people sought romantic and sexual autonomy against the background of shifting attitudes toward sexuality, marriage, and reproduction. In the early 60s, a new wave of publications celebrated high-school romance as a way to constrain adolescent sexuality, and as a path to a stable Soviet family. Emphasizing the need to teach teenagers about the dangers of premarital sex, the experts argued that first love was wholesome because it was based on idealization of the object of affection. This idea, however, met with resistance from many parents of teenage girls. Fixation on teen girls’ chastity cut across class lines, with middle-class parents relying on the morality discourse to make sense of their ~~children’s~~ lives, while working-class families reproduced peasant norms of girls’ “honor,” synonymous with virginity and determined by the community. Based on the analysis of teenage letters, diaries, and sociological studies along with publications on adolescent love and friendship in the Soviet press, historian Alissa Klots has argued that the state-sanctioned discourse empowered teenagers to challenge the rules established by their parents and the broader community and claim romantic and sexual autonomy. At the same time, Klots argued, the official discourse reinforced highly gendered views of the relationship between the sexes - and thus set strict parameters for what was appropriate - parameters internalized by many teenagers. Official discourse legitimized conservative concepts such as “maiden honor,” condemning premarital sex and placing the burden of chastity on women. According to her research, the price paid by teen girls if premarital sex led to pregnancy reinforced the prejudice that it was their responsibility to keep first love “pure.”<ref>The preceding paragraph has been freely adapted from a 2026 research article by Alissa Klots. See Klots, Alissa. [https://dx.doi.org/10.1353/sex.00035 "A Heart-to-Heart Conversation: Debating the Limits of Adolescent Friendship, Love, and Courtship in 1960s Russia."] ''Journal of the History of Sexuality'', vol. 34 no. 3, 2025, p. 446-476.</ref>		In the 1960s, young people sought romantic and sexual autonomy against the background of shifting attitudes toward sexuality, marriage, and reproduction. In the early 60s, a new wave of publications celebrated high-school romance as a way to constrain adolescent sexuality, and as a path to a stable Soviet family. Emphasizing the need to teach teenagers about the dangers of premarital sex, the experts argued that first love was wholesome because it was based on idealization of the object of affection. This idea, however, met with resistance from many parents of teenage girls. Fixation on teen girls’ chastity cut across class lines, with middle-class parents relying on the morality discourse to make sense of their children's lives, while working-class families reproduced peasant norms of girls’ “honor,” synonymous with virginity and determined by the community.

			Based on the analysis of teenage letters, diaries, and sociological studies along with publications on adolescent love and friendship in the Soviet press, historian Alissa Klots has argued that the state-sanctioned discourse empowered teenagers to challenge the rules established by their parents and the broader community and claim romantic and sexual autonomy. At the same time, Klots argued, the official discourse reinforced highly gendered views of the relationship between the sexes - and thus set strict parameters for what was appropriate - parameters internalized by many teenagers. Official discourse legitimized conservative concepts such as “maiden honor,” condemning premarital sex and placing the burden of chastity on women. According to her research, the price paid by teen girls if premarital sex led to pregnancy reinforced the prejudice that it was their responsibility to keep first love “pure.”<ref>The preceding paragraph has been freely adapted from a 2026 research article by Alissa Klots. See Klots, Alissa. [https://dx.doi.org/10.1353/sex.00035 "A Heart-to-Heart Conversation: Debating the Limits of Adolescent Friendship, Love, and Courtship in 1960s Russia."] ''Journal of the History of Sexuality'', vol. 34 no. 3, 2025, p. 446-476.</ref>

	==Age-disparate sex: Joseph Stalin and Mao Zedong==		==Age-disparate sex: Joseph Stalin and Mao Zedong==

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	The problem of youth sexuality was eventually deemed severe enough for the state to segregate male and female schooling. [[Ann Livschiz]] writes that this action reflected the "fundamental social conservatism of the majority of the top political leadership of the country and their great fear of youth, and particularly female, sexuality, as a force that could not be overcome, controlled or fully harnessed for the service of the state."<ref>Livschiz, Ann (2008). "Battling "Unhealthy Relations": Soviet Youth Sexuality as a Political Problem," ''Journal of Historical Sociology'', 21(4), 397-416.</ref>		The problem of youth sexuality was eventually deemed severe enough for the state to segregate male and female schooling. [[Ann Livschiz]] writes that this action reflected the "fundamental social conservatism of the majority of the top political leadership of the country and their great fear of youth, and particularly female, sexuality, as a force that could not be overcome, controlled or fully harnessed for the service of the state."<ref>Livschiz, Ann (2008). "Battling "Unhealthy Relations": Soviet Youth Sexuality as a Political Problem," ''Journal of Historical Sociology'', 21(4), 397-416.</ref>

	In the 1960s, young people sought romantic and sexual autonomy against the background of shifting attitudes toward sexuality, marriage, and reproduction. In the early 60s, a new wave of publications celebrated high-school romance as a way to constrain adolescent sexuality, and as a path to a stable Soviet family. Emphasizing the need to teach teenagers about the dangers of premarital sex, the experts argued that first love was wholesome because it was based on idealization of the object of affection. This idea, however, met with resistance from many parents of teenage girls. Fixation on teen girls’ chastity cut across class lines, with middle-class parents relying on the morality discourse to make sense of their children’s lives, while working-class families reproduced peasant norms of girls’ “honor,” synonymous with virginity and determined by the community. Based on the analysis of teenage letters, diaries, and sociological studies along with publications on adolescent love and friendship in the Soviet press, historian Alissa Klots has argued that the state-sanctioned discourse empowered teenagers to challenge the rules established by their parents and the broader community and claim romantic and sexual autonomy. At the same time, Klots argued, the official discourse reinforced highly gendered views of the relationship between the sexes - and thus set strict parameters for what was appropriate - parameters internalized by many teenagers. Official discourse legitimized conservative concepts such as “maiden honor,” condemning premarital sex and placing the burden of chastity on women. According to her research, the price paid by teen girls if premarital sex led to pregnancy reinforced the prejudice that it was their responsibility to keep first love “pure.”<ref>Klots, Alissa. [https://dx.doi.org/10.1353/sex.00035 "A Heart-to-Heart Conversation: Debating the Limits of Adolescent Friendship, Love, and Courtship in 1960s Russia."] ''Journal of the History of Sexuality'', vol. 34 no. 3, 2025, p. 446-476.</ref>		In the 1960s, young people sought romantic and sexual autonomy against the background of shifting attitudes toward sexuality, marriage, and reproduction. In the early 60s, a new wave of publications celebrated high-school romance as a way to constrain adolescent sexuality, and as a path to a stable Soviet family. Emphasizing the need to teach teenagers about the dangers of premarital sex, the experts argued that first love was wholesome because it was based on idealization of the object of affection. This idea, however, met with resistance from many parents of teenage girls. Fixation on teen girls’ chastity cut across class lines, with middle-class parents relying on the morality discourse to make sense of their children’s lives, while working-class families reproduced peasant norms of girls’ “honor,” synonymous with virginity and determined by the community. Based on the analysis of teenage letters, diaries, and sociological studies along with publications on adolescent love and friendship in the Soviet press, historian Alissa Klots has argued that the state-sanctioned discourse empowered teenagers to challenge the rules established by their parents and the broader community and claim romantic and sexual autonomy. At the same time, Klots argued, the official discourse reinforced highly gendered views of the relationship between the sexes - and thus set strict parameters for what was appropriate - parameters internalized by many teenagers. Official discourse legitimized conservative concepts such as “maiden honor,” condemning premarital sex and placing the burden of chastity on women. According to her research, the price paid by teen girls if premarital sex led to pregnancy reinforced the prejudice that it was their responsibility to keep first love “pure.”<ref>The preceding paragraph has been freely adapted from a 2026 research article by Alissa Klots. See Klots, Alissa. [https://dx.doi.org/10.1353/sex.00035 "A Heart-to-Heart Conversation: Debating the Limits of Adolescent Friendship, Love, and Courtship in 1960s Russia."] ''Journal of the History of Sexuality'', vol. 34 no. 3, 2025, p. 446-476.</ref>

	==Age-disparate sex: Joseph Stalin and Mao Zedong==		==Age-disparate sex: Joseph Stalin and Mao Zedong==

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	The problem of youth sexuality was eventually deemed severe enough for the state to segregate male and female schooling. [[Ann Livschiz]] writes that this action reflected the "fundamental social conservatism of the majority of the top political leadership of the country and their great fear of youth, and particularly female, sexuality, as a force that could not be overcome, controlled or fully harnessed for the service of the state."<ref>Livschiz, Ann (2008). "Battling "Unhealthy Relations": Soviet Youth Sexuality as a Political Problem," ''Journal of Historical Sociology'', 21(4), 397-416.</ref>		The problem of youth sexuality was eventually deemed severe enough for the state to segregate male and female schooling. [[Ann Livschiz]] writes that this action reflected the "fundamental social conservatism of the majority of the top political leadership of the country and their great fear of youth, and particularly female, sexuality, as a force that could not be overcome, controlled or fully harnessed for the service of the state."<ref>Livschiz, Ann (2008). "Battling "Unhealthy Relations": Soviet Youth Sexuality as a Political Problem," ''Journal of Historical Sociology'', 21(4), 397-416.</ref>

			In the 1960s, young people sought romantic and sexual autonomy against the background of shifting attitudes toward sexuality, marriage, and reproduction. In the early 60s, a new wave of publications celebrated high-school romance as a way to constrain adolescent sexuality, and as a path to a stable Soviet family. Emphasizing the need to teach teenagers about the dangers of premarital sex, the experts argued that first love was wholesome because it was based on idealization of the object of affection. This idea, however, met with resistance from many parents of teenage girls. Fixation on teen girls’ chastity cut across class lines, with middle-class parents relying on the morality discourse to make sense of their children’s lives, while working-class families reproduced peasant norms of girls’ “honor,” synonymous with virginity and determined by the community. Based on the analysis of teenage letters, diaries, and sociological studies along with publications on adolescent love and friendship in the Soviet press, historian Alissa Klots has argued that the state-sanctioned discourse empowered teenagers to challenge the rules established by their parents and the broader community and claim romantic and sexual autonomy. At the same time, Klots argued, the official discourse reinforced highly gendered views of the relationship between the sexes - and thus set strict parameters for what was appropriate - parameters internalized by many teenagers. Official discourse legitimized conservative concepts such as “maiden honor,” condemning premarital sex and placing the burden of chastity on women. According to her research, the price paid by teen girls if premarital sex led to pregnancy reinforced the prejudice that it was their responsibility to keep first love “pure.”<ref>Klots, Alissa. [https://dx.doi.org/10.1353/sex.00035 "A Heart-to-Heart Conversation: Debating the Limits of Adolescent Friendship, Love, and Courtship in 1960s Russia."] ''Journal of the History of Sexuality'', vol. 34 no. 3, 2025, p. 446-476.</ref>

	==Age-disparate sex: Joseph Stalin and Mao Zedong==		==Age-disparate sex: Joseph Stalin and Mao Zedong==

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	In 1994, the Spartacist League supported MAP ally psychologist and gay liberation activist [[John P. De Cecco]] when local newspaper scandal led to protest against him at his university. In his defense, the League's San Francisco University youth chapter, the Spartacus Youth Club (SYC), organized a speakout protest/rally at the university.		In 1994, the Spartacist League supported MAP ally psychologist and gay liberation activist [[John P. De Cecco]] when local newspaper scandal led to protest against him at his university. In his defense, the League's San Francisco University youth chapter, the Spartacus Youth Club (SYC), organized a speakout protest/rally at the university.

	Other statements include:		Other statements from a German branch include:

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	''"Pedophilia" simply means sexual desire for children. Equating this with the murder and rape of children is grotesque and part of the same reactionary bourgeois bigotry that declares any sex outside of heterosexual monogamy to be "abnormal." We oppose the persecution of all those who have consensual sex with members of another generation, we reject the reactionary "underage" laws, and we have long been known to defend organizations such as the North American Man/Boy Love Association (NAMBLA) and the British Paedophile Information Exchange, whose leaders were arrested in 1984 for advocating for the right of "underage" youth to have sex with adults.''<ref>[https://www.marxists.org/history/etol/document/icl-spartacists/periodicals/spartakist/142_2000-2001_Winter_Spartakist.pdf Marxists.org]</ref>		''"Pedophilia" simply means sexual desire for children. Equating this with the murder and rape of children is grotesque and part of the same reactionary bourgeois bigotry that declares any sex outside of heterosexual monogamy to be "abnormal." We oppose the persecution of all those who have consensual sex with members of another generation, we reject the reactionary "underage" laws, and we have long been known to defend organizations such as the North American Man/Boy Love Association (NAMBLA) and the British Paedophile Information Exchange, whose leaders were arrested in 1984 for advocating for the right of "underage" youth to have sex with adults.''<ref>[https://www.marxists.org/history/etol/document/icl-spartacists/periodicals/spartakist/142_2000-2001_Winter_Spartakist.pdf Marxists.org - Translation]</ref>
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	In 1994, the Spartacist League supported MAP ally psychologist and gay liberation activist [[John P. De Cecco]] when local newspaper scandal led to protest against him at his university. In his defense, the League's San Francisco University youth chapter, the Spartacus Youth Club (SYC), organized a speakout protest/rally at the university.		In 1994, the Spartacist League supported MAP ally psychologist and gay liberation activist [[John P. De Cecco]] when local newspaper scandal led to protest against him at his university. In his defense, the League's San Francisco University youth chapter, the Spartacus Youth Club (SYC), organized a speakout protest/rally at the university.

			Other statements include:

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			''"Pedophilia" simply means sexual desire for children. Equating this with the murder and rape of children is grotesque and part of the same reactionary bourgeois bigotry that declares any sex outside of heterosexual monogamy to be "abnormal." We oppose the persecution of all those who have consensual sex with members of another generation, we reject the reactionary "underage" laws, and we have long been known to defend organizations such as the North American Man/Boy Love Association (NAMBLA) and the British Paedophile Information Exchange, whose leaders were arrested in 1984 for advocating for the right of "underage" youth to have sex with adults.''<ref>[https://www.marxists.org/history/etol/document/icl-spartacists/periodicals/spartakist/142_2000-2001_Winter_Spartakist.pdf Marxists.org]</ref>
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			<Blockquote>''But unlike the countless pastors and rap stars who say that Michael would never commit such a "heinous crime" as having sex with 12-year-old boys, we defend him against state persecution precisely because we fight for the right of people to have consensual sex with whomever they choose. The only guideline that should exist in sexual relationships is the rule of actual mutual consent, regardless of age, gender, or race. Defending Michael Jackson is also a defense of everyone's privacy and sexual freedom.''

			[...]

			''The capitalist state wants to prohibit all sex for young people in order to prepare them for a life of unfulfilled desires and wishes by promoting abstinence, guilt, and fear of sexual desire. These laws have nothing to do with protecting children; their entire purpose is to reinforce puritan values that religion promotes and to provide a moral justification for government interference in all other aspects of life. As Marxists, we oppose all laws that criminalize consensual sex for young people, whether with or without an adult partner. Down with all reactionary laws about "minors"!''<ref>[https://www.marxists.org/history/etol/document/icl-spartacists/periodicals/spartakist/154_2004_Spring_Spartakist.pdf Marxists.org (2)]</ref></blockquote>

			<Blockquote>''Reactionary campaigns and laws against "pedophiles" deliberately fail to distinguish between real crimes—such as the brutal kidnapping, rape, and murder of young girls, as in the case of Mare Dutroux, who was recently convicted in Belgium—and voluntary sexual relations, including with adolescents. Such laws are not designed to protect children, but rather to establish and glorify the repressive institution of the family, which is the essential source of the particular oppression of women and children under capitalism.''<ref>[https://www.marxists.org/history/etol/document/icl-spartacists/periodicals/spartakist/155_2004_Summer_Spartakist.pdf Marxists.org (3)]</ref></blockquote>

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			''For the bourgeoisie and its political police in the labor movement, social democracy, it is of course of fundamental importance that workers (and the rest of the population) are regulated by hypocritical bourgeois morality, the church, "ethics" classes in schools, and the family. The family—the central institution of class society for oppressing women and youth—serves to transmit this morality and regulation to the next generation of workers. Therefore, any form of sex that questions the monogamous "norm" is branded as "deviant" and "sinful"—whether homosexuality, pedophilia, or whatever.''

			''And, of course, it is the highest commandment of all social democrats that the capitalist state, as the guardian of the "common good," act as the enforcer of this hypocritical morality. The same state, guardian of private ownership of the means of production and the reactionary family, is the source of all reactionary persecution of gays, lesbians, and minorities in general.''<ref>[https://www.marxists.org/history/etol/document/icl-spartacists/periodicals/spartakist/158_2005_Spring_Spartakist.pdf Marxists.org (4)]</ref>
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	*The US Revolutionary Socialist League (disbanded):		*The US Revolutionary Socialist League (disbanded):

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	[[File:thefiveheads.png\|thumb\|The "Five Heads" of Marx, Engels, Lenin, Stalin, and Mao.]]__NOTOC__		[[File:thefiveheads.png\|thumb\|The "Five Heads" of Marx, Engels, Lenin, Stalin, and Mao.]]__NOTOC__
	[[Youth rights]], including the sexual liberation of children, is compatible with some interpretations of '''communism'''/'''socialism''' (these terms are used interchangeably by Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels, but are sometimes distinguished by Leftist individuals and tendencies). Anarchist thinking has also supported young people's autonomy.<ref>See for example: [https://annas-archive.org/md5/8083c68d89de429de502a36f7304890f ''Trust Kids!: Stories on Youth Autonomy and Confronting Adult Supremacy'', ed. by Carla Bergman (AK Press: Chico, CA, 2022)]. See also, [https://theanarchistlibrary.org/category/topic/no-against-adult-supremacy NO! Against Adult Supremacy] - from the Anarchist Library. We have also made pages for various Anarchists, such as [[Hakim Bey]], [[René Schérer]], [[Wolfi Landstreicher]], and [[Sebastien Faure]].</ref> One Reddit post<ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/CapitalismVSocialism/comments/owqdft/bourgeois_vs_proletarian_sexuality/</ref> claims that "by contemporary standards, Jenny von Westphalen "groomed" Karl Marx", as does a short youtube video.<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92z_OrPN7z8 Jenny von Wesphalen groomed Karl Marx], by Benjamin Ingram (external link)</ref> Marxism views the nuclear [[family]] as a means for the subordination of children and women, exploitation upon which capitalism is supposedly dependent. [[Family values]] -- monogamy, homophobia, sexual suppression/repression, and other enemies of free love -- are enforced to maintain the traditional family unit. According to some communists/socialists, extending rights to the young would undermine the father's place of power and interrupt the inheritance of class and acceptance of classist models.		[[Youth rights]], including the sexual liberation of children, is compatible with some interpretations of '''communism'''/'''socialism''' (these terms are used interchangeably by Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels, but are sometimes distinguished by Leftist individuals and tendencies). '''Anarchist''' thinking has also supported young people's autonomy.<ref>See for example: [https://annas-archive.org/md5/8083c68d89de429de502a36f7304890f ''Trust Kids!: Stories on Youth Autonomy and Confronting Adult Supremacy'', ed. by Carla Bergman (AK Press: Chico, CA, 2022)]. See also, [https://theanarchistlibrary.org/category/topic/no-against-adult-supremacy NO! Against Adult Supremacy] - from the Anarchist Library. We have also made pages for various Anarchists, such as [[Hakim Bey]], [[René Schérer]], [[Wolfi Landstreicher]], and [[Sebastien Faure]].</ref> One Reddit post<ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/CapitalismVSocialism/comments/owqdft/bourgeois_vs_proletarian_sexuality/</ref> claims that "by contemporary standards, Jenny von Westphalen "groomed" Karl Marx", as does a short youtube video.<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92z_OrPN7z8 Jenny von Wesphalen groomed Karl Marx], by Benjamin Ingram (external link)</ref> Marxism views the nuclear [[family]] as a means for the subordination of children and women, exploitation upon which capitalism is supposedly dependent. [[Family values]] -- monogamy, homophobia, sexual suppression/repression, and other enemies of free love -- are enforced to maintain the traditional family unit. According to some communists/socialists, extending rights to the young would undermine the father's place of power and interrupt the inheritance of class and acceptance of classist models.

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	<blockquote>''Ultimately children will not gain genuine liberation until capitalism has been destroyed root and branch and a new society is built in which all human sexuality is encouraged and nurtured instead of despised and repressed.''<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20080726073919/http://www.sa.org.au/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=565&Itemid=106 Socialist Alternative: Children and Sex]</ref></blockquote>		<blockquote>''Ultimately children will not gain genuine liberation until capitalism has been destroyed root and branch and a new society is built in which all human sexuality is encouraged and nurtured instead of despised and repressed.''<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20080726073919/http://www.sa.org.au/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=565&Itemid=106 Socialist Alternative: Children and Sex]</ref></blockquote>

			*[[The Oneida Community]] - Christian socialist self-governing community which institutionalized woman/boy and man/girl sexual contact.
	*[[Harry Hay]] and [[Jim Kepner]], pro-pederast founders of the [[Historical examples of LGBT-MAP unity\|modern gay movement]].		*[[Harry Hay]] and [[Jim Kepner]], pro-pederast founders of the [[Historical examples of LGBT-MAP unity\|modern gay movement]].
	*[[David Thorstad]], president of the Gay Activists Alliance and a founder of [[NAMBLA]].		*[[David Thorstad]], president of the Gay Activists Alliance and a founder of [[NAMBLA]].

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	*[[David Thorstad]], president of the Gay Activists Alliance and a founder of [[NAMBLA]].		*[[David Thorstad]], president of the Gay Activists Alliance and a founder of [[NAMBLA]].
	*Marxist/anarchist women profiled on our [[feminism]] page: Shulamith Firestone, Germaine Greer, Simone de Beauvoir.		*Marxist/anarchist women profiled on our [[feminism]] page: Shulamith Firestone, Germaine Greer, Simone de Beauvoir.
	*[[Roger Moody]], [[Michel Foucault]], [[Guy Hocquenghem]], [[Peter Tatchell]] and various others associated with the early gay and [[MAP Movement]]s.		*[[Roger Moody]], [[Michel Foucault]], [[Guy Hocquenghem]], [[Mario Mieli]], [[Peter Tatchell]] and various others associated with the early gay and [[MAP Movement]]s.
	*Anarchist figures - German MAP figure [[Peter Schult]]; anarchist theorists/figures [[Hakim Bey]]/Peter Lamborn Wilson, [[John Henry Mackay]], [[Wolfi Landstreicher]], [[Sebastien Faure]], [[Tom Reeves]]. Renown Anarchist [[Noam Chomsky]], who was scandalized in 2023 media for his ever having been willing to associate with [[Jeffrey Epstein]] and [[Woody Allen]]: associations which he defends.		*Anarchist figures - German MAP figure [[Peter Schult]]; anarchist theorists/figures [[Hakim Bey]]/Peter Lamborn Wilson, [[John Henry Mackay]], [[Wolfi Landstreicher]], [[Sebastien Faure]], [[Tom Reeves]]. Renown Anarchist [[Noam Chomsky]], who was scandalized in 2023 media for his ever having been willing to associate with [[Jeffrey Epstein]] and [[Woody Allen]]: associations which he defends.
	*Philosopher [[Slavoj Žižek]] - various relevant statements.		*Philosopher [[Slavoj Žižek]] - various relevant statements.

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	[[File:thefiveheads.png\|thumb\|The "Five Heads" of Marx, Engels, Lenin, Stalin, and Mao.]]__NOTOC__		[[File:thefiveheads.png\|thumb\|The "Five Heads" of Marx, Engels, Lenin, Stalin, and Mao.]]__NOTOC__
	[[Youth rights]], including the sexual liberation of children, is compatible with some interpretations of '''communism'''/'''socialism''' (these terms are used interchangeably by Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels, but are sometimes distinguished by Leftist individuals and tendencies). One Reddit post<ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/CapitalismVSocialism/comments/owqdft/bourgeois_vs_proletarian_sexuality/</ref> claims that "by contemporary standards, Jenny von Westphalen "groomed" Karl Marx", as does a short youtube video.<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92z_OrPN7z8 Jenny von Wesphalen groomed Karl Marx], by Benjamin Ingram (external link)</ref> Marxism views the nuclear [[family]] as a means for the subordination of children and women, exploitation upon which capitalism is supposedly dependent. [[Family values]] -- monogamy, homophobia, sexual suppression/repression, and other enemies of free love -- are enforced to maintain the traditional family unit. According to some communists/socialists, extending rights to the young would undermine the father's place of power and interrupt the inheritance of class and acceptance of classist models.		[[Youth rights]], including the sexual liberation of children, is compatible with some interpretations of '''communism'''/'''socialism''' (these terms are used interchangeably by Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels, but are sometimes distinguished by Leftist individuals and tendencies). Anarchist thinking has also supported young people's autonomy.<ref>See for example: [https://annas-archive.org/md5/8083c68d89de429de502a36f7304890f ''Trust Kids!: Stories on Youth Autonomy and Confronting Adult Supremacy'', ed. by Carla Bergman (AK Press: Chico, CA, 2022)]. See also, [https://theanarchistlibrary.org/category/topic/no-against-adult-supremacy NO! Against Adult Supremacy] - from the Anarchist Library. We have also made pages for various Anarchists, such as [[Hakim Bey]], [[René Schérer]], [[Wolfi Landstreicher]], and [[Sebastien Faure]].</ref> One Reddit post<ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/CapitalismVSocialism/comments/owqdft/bourgeois_vs_proletarian_sexuality/</ref> claims that "by contemporary standards, Jenny von Westphalen "groomed" Karl Marx", as does a short youtube video.<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92z_OrPN7z8 Jenny von Wesphalen groomed Karl Marx], by Benjamin Ingram (external link)</ref> Marxism views the nuclear [[family]] as a means for the subordination of children and women, exploitation upon which capitalism is supposedly dependent. [[Family values]] -- monogamy, homophobia, sexual suppression/repression, and other enemies of free love -- are enforced to maintain the traditional family unit. According to some communists/socialists, extending rights to the young would undermine the father's place of power and interrupt the inheritance of class and acceptance of classist models.

	==Marx and Engels on age-gap sex==		==Marx and Engels on age-gap sex==