Debate Guide: Blame game - Revision history

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At the societal level

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	==At the societal level==		==At the societal level==

	:''See [[Research: Commercial and online sexual exploitation]].''		:''See - [[Research: Commercial and online sexual exploitation]].''

	The UK is a good example of societal blame attribution with respect to adolescent girls from working class communities engaging in street prostitution to pay for drug habits. A scapegoat class; in the press "Asian Men", i.e. Pakistani clients, are identified and uniformly described as "rapists", ignoring the social consequences of poor parenting and multi-generational drug abuse that led to these transactions taking place.		The UK is a good example of societal blame attribution with respect to adolescent girls from working class communities engaging in street prostitution to pay for drug habits. A scapegoat class; in the press "Asian Men", i.e. Pakistani clients, are identified and uniformly described as "rapists", ignoring the social consequences of poor parenting and multi-generational drug abuse that led to these transactions taking place.

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			[[File:Victims.jpg\|thumb\|Teenage sexual assault victims on the eve of their day in court]]
	An argument can be made that the scapegoating of MAPs and sex offenders allows for deeper social and intrafamilial problems to be ignored, as blame can be easily ascribed with the full approval of authorities.		An argument can be made that the scapegoating of MAPs and sex offenders allows for deeper social and intrafamilial problems to be ignored, as blame can be easily ascribed with the full approval of authorities.

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	==At the societal level==		==At the societal level==

			:''See [[Research: Commercial and online sexual exploitation]].''

	The UK is a good example of societal blame attribution with respect to adolescent girls from working class communities engaging in street prostitution to pay for drug habits. A scapegoat class; in the press "Asian Men", i.e. Pakistani clients, are identified and uniformly described as "rapists", ignoring the social consequences of poor parenting and multi-generational drug abuse that led to these transactions taking place.		The UK is a good example of societal blame attribution with respect to adolescent girls from working class communities engaging in street prostitution to pay for drug habits. A scapegoat class; in the press "Asian Men", i.e. Pakistani clients, are identified and uniformly described as "rapists", ignoring the social consequences of poor parenting and multi-generational drug abuse that led to these transactions taking place.
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	Consider a court trial we were informed about in the 00s:		Consider a court trial we were informed about in the 00s:

	*A man has been accused of having sexual relations with teenage boys for cash and cigarettes. The boys who engaged in low-level sexual acts with the older man concerned, have violent parents who have raised them in a dirty, abusive environment. In reality, the parents have lost all faith in their children who are growing up with almost identical antisocial tendencies as their own. The parents have to project a better image of themselves in court; it's a matter of pride. So what do they do? The parents have been given an opportunity to ascribe blame for the consequences of their abusive and neglectful parenting. They have been given the opportunity to be the "good people", and just for a day, their delinquent children are the victims - and most certainly under great pressure to act as such.		<blockquote>
			''A man has been accused of having sexual relations with teenage boys for cash and cigarettes. The boys who engaged in low-level sexual acts with the older man concerned, have violent parents who have raised them in a dirty, abusive environment. In reality, the parents have lost all faith in their children who are growing up with almost identical antisocial tendencies as their own.''

			''The parents have to project a better image of themselves in court; it's a matter of pride. So what do they do? The parents have been given an opportunity to ascribe blame for the consequences of their abusive and neglectful parenting. They have been given the opportunity to be the "good people", and just for a day, their delinquent children are the victims - and most certainly under great pressure to act as such.''
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	Knowing this, how exactly would we expect the boys to behave in court?		Knowing this, how exactly would we expect the boys to behave in court?

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	~~Individuals look~~ for ~~easy scapegoats on whom~~ to blame ~~their problems, and~~ the ~~state are willing to oblige. The blame game is far easier than any honest analysis~~ of ~~the deeper social problems and fundamental flaws in any one family or community~~.		An argument can be made that the scapegoating of MAPs and sex offenders allows for deeper social and intrafamilial problems to be ignored, as blame can be easily ascribed with the full approval of authorities.

	==At the societal level==		==At the societal level==

	The ~~child molester/pedophile~~ is ~~used as~~ a ~~folk devil:~~		The UK is a good example of societal blame attribution with respect to adolescent girls from working class communities engaging in street prostitution to pay for drug habits. A scapegoat class; in the press "Asian Men", i.e. Pakistani clients, are identified and uniformly described as "rapists", ignoring the social consequences of poor parenting and multi-generational drug abuse that led to these transactions taking place.

	*In cases of widespread prostitution of adolescent girls in working class communities~~. The~~ prostitution ~~is willing, and pays~~ for drug habits. A scapegoat class (in ~~Britain,~~ "Asian Men", i.e. ~~Pakistanis) is always~~ identified and ~~blamed for~~ the social consequences of poor parenting and multi-generational drug abuse~~. This is far more convenient than asking why certain communities (often white working class) are creating the supply side for street prostitution~~.

	==At the personal/family level==		==At the personal/family level==
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	Consider a court trial we were informed about in the 00s:		Consider a court trial we were informed about in the 00s:

	*A man has been accused of having sexual ~~relationships~~ with teenage boys. The boys who engaged in sexual acts with the older man concerned, have violent parents who have raised them in a dirty, abusive environment. In reality, the parents have lost all faith in their children who are growing up with almost identical antisocial tendencies to their own. The parents have to project a better image of themselves in court; it's a matter of pride. So what do they do? The parents have been given an opportunity to ascribe blame for the consequences of their abusive and neglectful parenting. They have been given the opportunity to be the "good people", and just for a day, their delinquent children are the victims - and most certainly under great pressure to act as such.		*A man has been accused of having sexual relations with teenage boys for cash and cigarettes. The boys who engaged in low-level sexual acts with the older man concerned, have violent parents who have raised them in a dirty, abusive environment. In reality, the parents have lost all faith in their children who are growing up with almost identical antisocial tendencies as their own. The parents have to project a better image of themselves in court; it's a matter of pride. So what do they do? The parents have been given an opportunity to ascribe blame for the consequences of their abusive and neglectful parenting. They have been given the opportunity to be the "good people", and just for a day, their delinquent children are the victims - and most certainly under great pressure to act as such.

	:Knowing this, how exactly would we expect the boys to behave in court?		Knowing this, how exactly would we expect the boys to behave in court?

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	*A man has been accused of having sexual relationships with teenage boys. The boys who engaged in sexual acts with the older man concerned, have violent parents who have raised them in a dirty, abusive environment. In reality, the parents have lost all faith in their children who are growing up with almost identical antisocial tendencies to their own. The parents have to project a better image of themselves in court; it's a matter of pride. So what do they do? The parents have been given an opportunity to ascribe blame for the consequences of their abusive and neglectful parenting. They have been given the opportunity to be the "good people", and just for a day, their delinquent children are the victims - and most certainly under great pressure to act as such.		*A man has been accused of having sexual relationships with teenage boys. The boys who engaged in sexual acts with the older man concerned, have violent parents who have raised them in a dirty, abusive environment. In reality, the parents have lost all faith in their children who are growing up with almost identical antisocial tendencies to their own. The parents have to project a better image of themselves in court; it's a matter of pride. So what do they do? The parents have been given an opportunity to ascribe blame for the consequences of their abusive and neglectful parenting. They have been given the opportunity to be the "good people", and just for a day, their delinquent children are the victims - and most certainly under great pressure to act as such.

			:Knowing this, how exactly would we expect the boys to behave in court?

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	~~Exacerbated by state authorities that have no unbroken promise left but to protect their citizens from terror, societies and individuals~~ look for easy scapegoats on ~~which~~ to blame their problems. ~~Such a~~ blame game is far easier than any honest analysis of the deeper social problems and fundamental flaws in any one ~~culture~~.		Individuals look for easy scapegoats on whom to blame their problems, and the state are willing to oblige. The blame game is far easier than any honest analysis of the deeper social problems and fundamental flaws in any one family or community.

	==~~Societal examples~~==		==At the societal level==

	~~{{moreinfo}}~~		The child molester/pedophile is used as a folk devil:

	~~==Personal examples==~~		*In cases of widespread prostitution of adolescent girls in working class communities. The prostitution is willing, and pays for drug habits. A scapegoat class (in Britain, "Asian Men", i.e. Pakistanis) is always identified and blamed for the social consequences of poor parenting and multi-generational drug abuse. This is far more convenient than asking why certain communities (often white working class) are creating the supply side for street prostitution.

	~~Consider~~ the case of a court trial. A man has been accused of having sexual relationships with teenage boys. The boys who were found engaged in sexual acts with the man concerned have violent parents who have raised them in a dirty, abusive environment. In reality, the parents have lost all faith in their children, who are growing up with almost identical antisocial tendencies. But for the trial, there appears to be no possible way that these aspiring, working-class parents could gain any respect, and no way that they could be seen as the "good" actors in any social context.		==At the personal/family level==

	The ~~allegations~~ of ~~abuse and the~~ court ~~trial~~ have given ~~these parents the perfect~~ opportunity to ~~offload~~ their abusive and neglectful parenting ~~and its results onto a scapegoat~~. ~~Finally, they~~ have the opportunity to ~~look like~~ good people, and ~~they will take every advantage during the trial to bring about such an end. [Whilst this is written out as~~ a ~~hypothetical~~, the authors of Debate Guide have contacted numerous witnesses who can testify to just this kind of occurrence, i.e. "justice" for violent and abusive parents who take pleasure from intimidating and neglecting their ~~"precious"~~ delinquent children~~, who on~~ the ~~date of trial, suddenly become angels]~~.		Consider a court trial we were informed about in the 00s:

			*A man has been accused of having sexual relationships with teenage boys. The boys who engaged in sexual acts with the older man concerned, have violent parents who have raised them in a dirty, abusive environment. In reality, the parents have lost all faith in their children who are growing up with almost identical antisocial tendencies to their own. The parents have to project a better image of themselves in court; it's a matter of pride. So what do they do? The parents have been given an opportunity to ascribe blame for the consequences of their abusive and neglectful parenting. They have been given the opportunity to be the "good people", and just for a day, their delinquent children are the victims - and most certainly under great pressure to act as such.

	[[Category:Debate]][[Category:Debating Points: Sociological]]		[[Category:Debate]][[Category:Debating Points: Sociological]]

Rez at 23:58, 12 December 2008

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	Consider the case of a court trial. A man has been accused of having sexual relationships with teenage boys. The boys who were found engaged in sexual acts with the man concerned have violent parents who have raised them in a dirty, abusive environment. In reality, the parents have lost all faith in their children, who are growing up with almost identical antisocial tendencies. But for the trial, there appears to be no possible way that these aspiring, working-class parents could gain any respect, and no way that they could be seen as the "good" actors in any social context.		Consider the case of a court trial. A man has been accused of having sexual relationships with teenage boys. The boys who were found engaged in sexual acts with the man concerned have violent parents who have raised them in a dirty, abusive environment. In reality, the parents have lost all faith in their children, who are growing up with almost identical antisocial tendencies. But for the trial, there appears to be no possible way that these aspiring, working-class parents could gain any respect, and no way that they could be seen as the "good" actors in any social context.

	The allegations of abuse and the court trial have given these parents the perfect opportunity to offload their abusive and neglectful parenting and its results onto a scapegoat. Finally, they have the opportunity to look like good people, and they will take every advantage during the trial to bring about such an end.		The allegations of abuse and the court trial have given these parents the perfect opportunity to offload their abusive and neglectful parenting and its results onto a scapegoat. Finally, they have the opportunity to look like good people, and they will take every advantage during the trial to bring about such an end. [Whilst this is written out as a hypothetical, the authors of Debate Guide have contacted numerous witnesses who can testify to just this kind of occurrence, i.e. "justice" for violent and abusive parents who take pleasure from intimidating and neglecting their "precious" delinquent children, who on the date of trial, suddenly become angels].

	[[Category:Debate]][[Category:Debating Points: Sociological]]		[[Category:Debate]][[Category:Debating Points: Sociological]]

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Exacerbated by state authorities that have no unbroken promise left but to protect their citizens from terror, societies and individuals look for easy scapegoats on which to blame their problems. Such a blame game is far easier than any honest analysis of the deeper social problems and fundamental flaws in any one culture.

==Societal examples==

{{moreinfo}}

==Personal examples==

Consider the case of a court trial. A man has been accused of having sexual relationships with teenage boys. The boys who were found engaged in sexual acts with the man concerned have violent parents who have raised them in a dirty, abusive environment. In reality, the parents have lost all faith in their children, who are growing up with almost identical antisocial tendencies. But for the trial, there appears to be no possible way that these aspiring, working-class parents could gain any respect, and no way that they could be seen as the "good" actors in any social context.

The allegations of abuse and the court trial have given these parents the perfect opportunity to offload their abusive and neglectful parenting and its results onto a scapegoat. Finally, they have the opportunity to look like good people, and they will take every advantage during the trial to bring about such an end.

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