https://wiki.yesmap.net/wiki/index.php?action=history&feed=atom&title=Debate_Guide%3A_Child_sexualisation_and_objectificationDebate Guide: Child sexualisation and objectification - Revision history2026-04-21T20:31:20ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.45.3https://wiki.yesmap.net/wiki/index.php?title=Debate_Guide:_Child_sexualisation_and_objectification&diff=30285&oldid=prevThe Admins at 03:49, 30 December 20242024-12-30T03:49:21Z<p></p>
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</table>The Adminshttps://wiki.yesmap.net/wiki/index.php?title=Debate_Guide:_Child_sexualisation_and_objectification&diff=30284&oldid=prevThe Admins: /* Is "sex" objectifying? */2024-12-30T03:47:23Z<p><span class="autocomment">Is "sex" objectifying?</span></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>There are also problems with conceptualizing "sexual" relations as especially 'objectifying'. All this appears to demonstrate is sex-negativity or [[erotophobia]] in your opponent; the will by one political constituency in society to seize upon a positive evaluation of an individual's relationship and reinterpret it as vicious and shameful. With respect to sex (money, religion, platonic relationships, or indeed anything) young people must be taught that all adults are fallible, and they have an obligation (to themselves) to question the motives and judgment of others if the need arises. If each partner respects the other's self-worth, rational self-interest will lead them to work together with an enthusiasm not otherwise possible. </div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>There are also problems with conceptualizing "sexual" relations as especially 'objectifying'. All this appears to demonstrate is sex-negativity or [[<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Wikipedia:Erotophobia|</ins>erotophobia]] in your opponent; the will by one political constituency in society to seize upon a positive evaluation of an individual's relationship and reinterpret it as vicious and shameful. With respect to sex (money, religion, platonic relationships, or indeed anything) young people must be taught that all adults are fallible, and they have an obligation (to themselves) to question the motives and judgment of others if the need arises. If each partner respects the other's self-worth, rational self-interest will lead them to work together with an enthusiasm not otherwise possible. </div></td></tr>
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</table>The Adminshttps://wiki.yesmap.net/wiki/index.php?title=Debate_Guide:_Child_sexualisation_and_objectification&diff=30283&oldid=prevThe Admins: /* Slippery slope */2024-12-30T03:46:30Z<p><span class="autocomment">Slippery slope</span></p>
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</table>The Adminshttps://wiki.yesmap.net/wiki/index.php?title=Debate_Guide:_Child_sexualisation_and_objectification&diff=30280&oldid=prevThe Admins at 03:43, 30 December 20242024-12-30T03:43:15Z<p></p>
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</table>The Adminshttps://wiki.yesmap.net/wiki/index.php?title=Debate_Guide:_Child_sexualisation_and_objectification&diff=29925&oldid=prevThe Admins: /* Paranoia */2024-12-07T00:43:31Z<p><span class="autocomment">Paranoia</span></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">This </del>argument is also highly sexualizing towards minor-minor and minor-adult relationships, erasing the importance of [[Research: Nonsexual aspects|platonic aspects]]. [[Debate Guide: Misdefinitions and Rhetorical Manipulation|This article]] goes into detail about that rather basic flaw in thinking about concepts that are alien to the beholder.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">As well as suggesting that minors occupy a naturally higher position in the sexual marketplace (and therefore must be protected), this </ins>argument is also highly sexualizing towards minor-minor and minor-adult relationships, erasing the importance of [[Research: Nonsexual aspects|platonic aspects]]. [[Debate Guide: Misdefinitions and Rhetorical Manipulation|This article]] goes into detail about that rather basic flaw in thinking about concepts that are alien to the beholder.</div></td></tr>
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</table>The Adminshttps://wiki.yesmap.net/wiki/index.php?title=Debate_Guide:_Child_sexualisation_and_objectification&diff=25454&oldid=prevThe Admins at 18:43, 14 April 20242024-04-14T18:43:32Z<p></p>
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</table>The Adminshttps://wiki.yesmap.net/wiki/index.php?title=Debate_Guide:_Child_sexualisation_and_objectification&diff=25170&oldid=prevThe Admins at 22:31, 7 April 20242024-04-07T22:31:00Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>When addressing this argument in most contexts, you want to use nit-picking and sophistry to force the person using it to deploy increasingly paranoid, reactionary and conspiratorial tropes. Once they have run out of problematic arguments, they will either back down, repeat themselves or say something even more absurd. After all, most of these arguments rely on extant religious fears centering on original sin and temptation, the idea ''sexuality'' is some insidious force that "poisons" or "takes over" a person's entire life.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>When addressing this argument in most contexts, you want to use nit-picking and sophistry to force the person using it to deploy increasingly paranoid, reactionary and conspiratorial tropes. Once they have run out of problematic arguments, they will either back down, repeat themselves or say something even more absurd. After all, most of these arguments rely on extant religious fears centering on original sin and temptation, the idea ''sexuality'' is some insidious force that "poisons" or "takes over" a person's entire life.</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>This argument is also highly sexualizing towards minor-minor and minor-adult relationships, erasing the importance of platonic aspects. [[Debate Guide: Misdefinitions and Rhetorical Manipulation|This article]] goes into detail about that rather basic flaw in thinking about concepts that are alien to the beholder.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>This argument is also highly sexualizing towards minor-minor and minor-adult relationships, erasing the importance of <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">[[Research: Nonsexual aspects|</ins>platonic aspects<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">]]</ins>. [[Debate Guide: Misdefinitions and Rhetorical Manipulation|This article]] goes into detail about that rather basic flaw in thinking about concepts that are alien to the beholder.</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>==Is "sex" objectifying?==</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>==Is "sex" objectifying?==</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>There are also problems with conceptualizing "sexual" relations as especially 'objectifying'. All this appears to demonstrate is sex-negativity or [[erotophobia]] in your opponent; the will by one political constituency in society to seize upon a positive evaluation of an individual's relationship and reinterpret it as vicious and shameful. With respect to sex (money, religion, <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">and </del>platonic relationships, or indeed anything) young people must be taught that all adults are fallible, <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"> </del>and they have an obligation (to themselves) to question the motives and judgment of others if the need arises. If each partner respects the other's self-worth, rational self-interest will lead them to work together with an enthusiasm not otherwise possible. </div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>There are also problems with conceptualizing "sexual" relations as especially 'objectifying'. All this appears to demonstrate is sex-negativity or [[erotophobia]] in your opponent; the will by one political constituency in society to seize upon a positive evaluation of an individual's relationship and reinterpret it as vicious and shameful. With respect to sex (money, religion, platonic relationships, or indeed anything) young people must be taught that all adults are fallible, and they have an obligation (to themselves) to question the motives and judgment of others if the need arises. If each partner respects the other's self-worth, rational self-interest will lead them to work together with an enthusiasm not otherwise possible. </div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Finally, if sex is uncontrollable, present in young people and inherently objectifying, what ''is'' healthy sexuality? Is repression really an answer?</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Finally, if sex is uncontrollable, present in young people and inherently objectifying, what ''is'' <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">a </ins>healthy sexuality? Is repression really an answer?</div></td></tr>
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