Debate Guide: Corresponding age attraction - Revision history

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	==Observed and lived experience==		==Observed and lived experience==
			[[File:Screenshot 20210829-024225 Twitter.jpg\|thumb\|<small>The underpinning assumption works in the same way as an argument from ignorance (X has only ever tried Coca Cola (and likes it) so X prefers Coca Cola to Pepsi). However, the fallacious reasoning is rarely qualified formally.</small>]]
	:''See also: [[Testimony: Experiences of chronophilias]].''		:''See also: [[Testimony: Experiences of chronophilias]].''
	It has long been known by those experiencing a true, pedophilic attraction, that such an orientation becomes apparent very early in life.<ref>[https://www.b4uact.org/research/survey-results/youth-suicidality-and-seeking-care/ B4U-Act Survey]</ref> In the words of former [[DSM]] editor, Michael First "If you're attracted to children at age 13 you’re going to be attracted to children at age 70." [[Research: A "cure" for pedophilia?#Early development\|Others]] would seem to confirm this. This supposed "age appropriate chronophilia" theory is contradicted by studies covering the attraction of females to adult and infant faces <ref>[https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7172780/ Menarche and interest in infants: biological and social influences]</ref><ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20210121085007/https://www.apa.org/science/about/psa/2004/01/maestripieri Developmental and Evolutionary Aspects of Female Attraction to Babies - Maestripieri, 2015]</ref> before and after menarche, and Kenrick's research on boys:		It has long been known by those experiencing a true, pedophilic attraction, that such an orientation becomes apparent very early in life.<ref>[https://www.b4uact.org/research/survey-results/youth-suicidality-and-seeking-care/ B4U-Act Survey]</ref> In the words of former [[DSM]] editor, Michael First "If you're attracted to children at age 13 you’re going to be attracted to children at age 70." [[Research: A "cure" for pedophilia?#Early development\|Others]] would seem to confirm this. This supposed "age appropriate chronophilia" theory is contradicted by studies covering the attraction of females to adult and infant faces <ref>[https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7172780/ Menarche and interest in infants: biological and social influences]</ref><ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20210121085007/https://www.apa.org/science/about/psa/2004/01/maestripieri Developmental and Evolutionary Aspects of Female Attraction to Babies - Maestripieri, 2015]</ref> before and after menarche, and Kenrick's research on boys:
	[[File:Screenshot 20210829-024225 Twitter.jpg\|thumb\|<small>The underpinning assumption works in the same way as an argument from ignorance (X has only ever tried Coca Cola (and likes it) so X prefers Coca Cola to Pepsi). However, the fallacious reasoning is rarely qualified formally.</small>]]
	:''Although teenage males were willing to date girls slightly younger than themselves, they indicated a much wider range of acceptability above their own ages, and also reported that their ideally attractive partners would be several years older than themselves. Preferences of teenage females were similar in pattern to those of adult females, ranging, on average, from their own age to several years older.''<ref>[https://srcd.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1467-8624.1996.tb01810.x Adolescents' Age Preferences for Dating Partners: Support for an Evolutionary Model of Life-History Strategies - Kenrick, 1996]</ref>		:''Although teenage males were willing to date girls slightly younger than themselves, they indicated a much wider range of acceptability above their own ages, and also reported that their ideally attractive partners would be several years older than themselves. Preferences of teenage females were similar in pattern to those of adult females, ranging, on average, from their own age to several years older.''<ref>[https://srcd.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1467-8624.1996.tb01810.x Adolescents' Age Preferences for Dating Partners: Support for an Evolutionary Model of Life-History Strategies - Kenrick, 1996]</ref>

	This puts boys in the [[Research: Prevalence\|same ball-park as adult males]] - i.e. a strong attraction to the neoteny of a post pubertal girl or woman.		This puts boys in the [[Research: Prevalence\|same ball-park as adult males]] - i.e. a strong attraction to the neoteny of a post pubertal girl or woman.
			[[File:Screenshot 2024-07-18 001014.png\|thumb\|Example]]
	Some surveys of women on dating sites reveal that the men who "look best" to them get older as they themselves age. While men's attraction to physical features of young women remains stable, they do generally readjust their dating behavior to take advantage of the surplus of older women who become interested in them as they age.<ref>[https://www.businessinsider.com/dataclysm-shows-men-are-attracted-to-women-in-their-20s-2014-10?international=true&r=US&IR=T CHARTS: Guys Like Women In Their Early 20s Regardless Of How Old They Get - Business Insider]</ref>		Some surveys of women on dating sites reveal that the men who "look best" to them get older as they themselves age. While men's attraction to physical features of young women remains stable, they do generally readjust their dating behavior to take advantage of the surplus of older women who become interested in them as they age.<ref>[https://www.businessinsider.com/dataclysm-shows-men-are-attracted-to-women-in-their-20s-2014-10?international=true&r=US&IR=T CHARTS: Guys Like Women In Their Early 20s Regardless Of How Old They Get - Business Insider]</ref>

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	==Observed and lived experience==		==Observed and lived experience==
			:''See also: [[Testimony: Experiences of chronophilias]].''
	It has long been known by those experiencing a true, pedophilic attraction, that such an orientation becomes apparent very early in life.<ref>[https://www.b4uact.org/research/survey-results/youth-suicidality-and-seeking-care/ B4U-Act Survey]</ref> In the words of former [[DSM]] editor, Michael First "If you're attracted to children at age 13 you’re going to be attracted to children at age 70." [[Research: A "cure" for pedophilia?#Early development\|Others]] would seem to confirm this. This supposed "age appropriate chronophilia" theory is contradicted by studies covering the attraction of females to adult and infant faces <ref>[https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7172780/ Menarche and interest in infants: biological and social influences]</ref><ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20210121085007/https://www.apa.org/science/about/psa/2004/01/maestripieri Developmental and Evolutionary Aspects of Female Attraction to Babies - Maestripieri, 2015]</ref> before and after menarche, and Kenrick's research on boys:		It has long been known by those experiencing a true, pedophilic attraction, that such an orientation becomes apparent very early in life.<ref>[https://www.b4uact.org/research/survey-results/youth-suicidality-and-seeking-care/ B4U-Act Survey]</ref> In the words of former [[DSM]] editor, Michael First "If you're attracted to children at age 13 you’re going to be attracted to children at age 70." [[Research: A "cure" for pedophilia?#Early development\|Others]] would seem to confirm this. This supposed "age appropriate chronophilia" theory is contradicted by studies covering the attraction of females to adult and infant faces <ref>[https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7172780/ Menarche and interest in infants: biological and social influences]</ref><ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20210121085007/https://www.apa.org/science/about/psa/2004/01/maestripieri Developmental and Evolutionary Aspects of Female Attraction to Babies - Maestripieri, 2015]</ref> before and after menarche, and Kenrick's research on boys:
	[[File:Screenshot 20210829-024225 Twitter.jpg\|thumb\|<small>The underpinning assumption works in the same way as an argument from ignorance (X has only ever tried Coca Cola (and likes it) so X prefers Coca Cola to Pepsi). However, the fallacious reasoning is rarely qualified formally.</small>]]		[[File:Screenshot 20210829-024225 Twitter.jpg\|thumb\|<small>The underpinning assumption works in the same way as an argument from ignorance (X has only ever tried Coca Cola (and likes it) so X prefers Coca Cola to Pepsi). However, the fallacious reasoning is rarely qualified formally.</small>]]
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	This puts boys in the [[Research: Prevalence\|same ball-park as adult males]] - i.e. a strong attraction to the neoteny of a post pubertal girl or woman.		This puts boys in the [[Research: Prevalence\|same ball-park as adult males]] - i.e. a strong attraction to the neoteny of a post pubertal girl or woman.

	Some surveys of women on dating sites reveal that the men who "look best" to them get older as they themselves age. While men's attraction to physical features of young women remains stable, they do generally readjust their dating behavior to take advantage of the surplus of older women who become interested in them as they age.<ref>[https://www.businessinsider.com/dataclysm-shows-men-are-attracted-to-women-in-their-20s-2014-10?international=true&r=US&IR=T CHARTS: Guys Like Women In Their Early 20s Regardless Of How Old They Get - Business Insider]</ref>		Some surveys of women on dating sites reveal that the men who "look best" to them get older as they themselves age. While men's attraction to physical features of young women remains stable, they do generally readjust their dating behavior to take advantage of the surplus of older women who become interested in them as they age.<ref>[https://www.businessinsider.com/dataclysm-shows-men-are-attracted-to-women-in-their-20s-2014-10?international=true&r=US&IR=T CHARTS: Guys Like Women In Their Early 20s Regardless Of How Old They Get - Business Insider]</ref>

	==See also==		==See also==

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	[[File:Corresponding.png\|thumb\|<small>One example, in which the responder seems to be confused as to the concept of [[pedophilia]], rendering it contingent upon the age gap and its social normativity, as opposed to physical characteristics.</small>]]		[[File:Corresponding.png\|thumb\|<small>One example, in which the responder seems to be confused as to the concept of [[pedophilia]], rendering it contingent upon the age gap and its social normativity, as opposed to physical characteristics.</small>]]
	A person's raw attraction to physical characteristics (and by extension, age preference) is unlikely to shift in line with their age, as they progress through puberty. While it is [[:~~File~~:Pedophilia - Mark Normand.mp4\|socially normative these days]] for minors to date among their school peer group and show their affection for one another, this says more about situational factors (proximity, experience, etc) and received standards than any inherent aspect of human nature. Western society forces minors into same-age peer groups thru the education system and indoctrinates them with the idea of an "age appropriate" courtship.		A person's raw attraction to physical characteristics (and by extension, age preference) is unlikely to shift in line with their age, as they progress through puberty. While it is [[:Media:Pedophilia - Mark Normand.mp4\|socially normative these days]] for minors to date among their school peer group and show their affection for one another, this says more about situational factors (proximity, experience, etc) and received standards than any inherent aspect of human nature. Western society forces minors into same-age peer groups thru the education system and indoctrinates them with the idea of an "age appropriate" courtship.

	The implication here - the idea that that adult MAPs display a level of psychosexual development equivalent to a small child, has [[Research: Psychopathy and abnormal psychology\|not gained ground in the sciences]]. The outdated stereotype of the [[Debate Guide: "Stranger danger" or "It could be anyone"\|socially inadequate (or retarded) playground lurker]] has been replaced with an equally flawed "perturbation" theory related to supposed abnormal brain structure or even physical trauma among men who prefer minors. Conceding the argument from perturbation, one would then have to ask how similar attractions and urges can be expressed frequently as a normative "developmental phase" among youth, only to disappear so completely as the person progresses to adulthood. Such a fundamental change in [[chronophilia]] would require more than changing sex hormones, but actual physical changes to the parts of the brain which control sexual ''attractions''. There is no evidence of these differences in correctly sampled populations, despite multiple brain imaging studies.		The implication here - the idea that that adult MAPs display a level of psychosexual development equivalent to a small child, has [[Research: Psychopathy and abnormal psychology\|not gained ground in the sciences]]. The outdated stereotype of the [[Debate Guide: "Stranger danger" or "It could be anyone"\|socially inadequate (or retarded) playground lurker]] has been replaced with an equally flawed "perturbation" theory related to supposed abnormal brain structure or even physical trauma among men who prefer minors. Conceding the argument from perturbation, one would then have to ask how similar attractions and urges can be expressed frequently as a normative "developmental phase" among youth, only to disappear so completely as the person progresses to adulthood. Such a fundamental change in [[chronophilia]] would require more than changing sex hormones, but actual physical changes to the parts of the brain which control sexual ''attractions''. There is no evidence of these differences in correctly sampled populations, despite multiple brain imaging studies.

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	__NOTOC__<blockquote><font color="green">'''''It is both normal and acceptable for children to express a <u>childish sexuality</u>, but only towards one another. This is because erotic age preference naturally correlates with one's own age group throughout life, or at least until adulthood in the case of men. Youth who experience the same feelings as they become adults are abnormal and problematic, displaying <u>arrested psychosexual development</u>.'''''</font></blockquote>		__NOTOC__
			<blockquote><font color="green">'''''It is both normal and acceptable for children to express a <u>childish sexuality</u>, but only towards one another. This is because erotic age preference naturally correlates with one's own age group throughout life, or at least until adulthood in the case of men. Youth who experience the same feelings as they become adults are abnormal and problematic, displaying <u>arrested psychosexual development</u>.'''''</font></blockquote>

	[[File:Corresponding.png\|thumb\|<small>One example, in which the responder seems to be confused as to the concept of [[pedophilia]], rendering it contingent upon the age gap and its social normativity, as opposed to physical characteristics.</small>]]		[[File:Corresponding.png\|thumb\|<small>One example, in which the responder seems to be confused as to the concept of [[pedophilia]], rendering it contingent upon the age gap and its social normativity, as opposed to physical characteristics.</small>]]
	A person's raw attraction to physical characteristics (and by extension, age preference) is unlikely to shift in line with their age, as they progress through puberty. While it is socially normative these days for minors to date among their school peer group and show their affection for one another, this says more about situational factors (proximity, experience, etc) and received standards than any inherent aspect of human nature. Western society forces minors into same-age peer groups thru the education system and indoctrinates them with the idea of an "age appropriate" courtship.		A person's raw attraction to physical characteristics (and by extension, age preference) is unlikely to shift in line with their age, as they progress through puberty. While it is [[:File:Pedophilia - Mark Normand.mp4\|socially normative these days]] for minors to date among their school peer group and show their affection for one another, this says more about situational factors (proximity, experience, etc) and received standards than any inherent aspect of human nature. Western society forces minors into same-age peer groups thru the education system and indoctrinates them with the idea of an "age appropriate" courtship.

	The implication here - the idea that that adult MAPs display a level of psychosexual development equivalent to a small child, has [[Research: Psychopathy and abnormal psychology\|not gained ground in the sciences]]. The outdated stereotype of the [[Debate Guide: "Stranger danger" or "It could be anyone"\|socially inadequate (or retarded) playground lurker]] has been replaced with an equally flawed "perturbation" theory related to supposed abnormal brain structure or even physical trauma among men who prefer minors. Conceding the argument from perturbation, one would then have to ask how similar attractions and urges can be expressed frequently as a normative "developmental phase" among youth, only to disappear so completely as the person progresses to adulthood. Such a fundamental change in [[chronophilia]] would require more than changing sex hormones, but actual physical changes to the parts of the brain which control sexual ''attractions''. There is no evidence of these differences in correctly sampled populations, despite multiple brain imaging studies.		The implication here - the idea that that adult MAPs display a level of psychosexual development equivalent to a small child, has [[Research: Psychopathy and abnormal psychology\|not gained ground in the sciences]]. The outdated stereotype of the [[Debate Guide: "Stranger danger" or "It could be anyone"\|socially inadequate (or retarded) playground lurker]] has been replaced with an equally flawed "perturbation" theory related to supposed abnormal brain structure or even physical trauma among men who prefer minors. Conceding the argument from perturbation, one would then have to ask how similar attractions and urges can be expressed frequently as a normative "developmental phase" among youth, only to disappear so completely as the person progresses to adulthood. Such a fundamental change in [[chronophilia]] would require more than changing sex hormones, but actual physical changes to the parts of the brain which control sexual ''attractions''. There is no evidence of these differences in correctly sampled populations, despite multiple brain imaging studies.

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	==Observed and lived experience==		==Observed and lived experience==

	It has long been known by those experiencing a true, pedophilic attraction, that such an orientation becomes apparent very early in life.<ref>[https://www.b4uact.org/research/survey-results/youth-suicidality-and-seeking-care/ B4U-Act Survey]</ref> In the words of former [[DSM]] editor, Michael First "If you're attracted to children at age 13 you’re going to be attracted to children at age 70." [[Research: A "cure" for pedophilia?#Early development\|Others]] would seem to confirm this. This supposed "age appropriate chronophilia" theory is contradicted by studies covering the attraction of females to adult and infant faces <ref>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7172780/</ref><ref>https://www.apa.org/science/about/psa/2004/01/maestripieri</ref> before and after menarche, and Kenrick's research on boys:		It has long been known by those experiencing a true, pedophilic attraction, that such an orientation becomes apparent very early in life.<ref>[https://www.b4uact.org/research/survey-results/youth-suicidality-and-seeking-care/ B4U-Act Survey]</ref> In the words of former [[DSM]] editor, Michael First "If you're attracted to children at age 13 you’re going to be attracted to children at age 70." [[Research: A "cure" for pedophilia?#Early development\|Others]] would seem to confirm this. This supposed "age appropriate chronophilia" theory is contradicted by studies covering the attraction of females to adult and infant faces <ref>[https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7172780/ Menarche and interest in infants: biological and social influences]</ref><ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20210121085007/https://www.apa.org/science/about/psa/2004/01/maestripieri Developmental and Evolutionary Aspects of Female Attraction to Babies - Maestripieri, 2015]</ref> before and after menarche, and Kenrick's research on boys:
	[[File:Screenshot 20210829-024225 Twitter.jpg\|thumb\|<small>The underpinning assumption works in the same way as an argument from ignorance (X has only ever tried Coca Cola (and likes it) so X prefers Coca Cola to Pepsi). However, the fallacious reasoning is rarely qualified formally.</small>]]		[[File:Screenshot 20210829-024225 Twitter.jpg\|thumb\|<small>The underpinning assumption works in the same way as an argument from ignorance (X has only ever tried Coca Cola (and likes it) so X prefers Coca Cola to Pepsi). However, the fallacious reasoning is rarely qualified formally.</small>]]
	:''Although teenage males were willing to date girls slightly younger than themselves, they indicated a much wider range of acceptability above their own ages, and also reported that their ideally attractive partners would be several years older than themselves. Preferences of teenage females were similar in pattern to those of adult females, ranging, on average, from their own age to several years older.''<ref>https://srcd.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1467-8624.1996.tb01810.x</ref>		:''Although teenage males were willing to date girls slightly younger than themselves, they indicated a much wider range of acceptability above their own ages, and also reported that their ideally attractive partners would be several years older than themselves. Preferences of teenage females were similar in pattern to those of adult females, ranging, on average, from their own age to several years older.''<ref>[https://srcd.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1467-8624.1996.tb01810.x Adolescents' Age Preferences for Dating Partners: Support for an Evolutionary Model of Life-History Strategies - Kenrick, 1996]</ref>

	This puts boys in the [[Research: Prevalence\|same ball-park as adult males]] - i.e. a strong attraction to the neoteny of a post pubertal girl or woman.		This puts boys in the [[Research: Prevalence\|same ball-park as adult males]] - i.e. a strong attraction to the neoteny of a post pubertal girl or woman.

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	It has long been known by those experiencing a true, pedophilic attraction, that such an orientation becomes apparent very early in life.<ref>[https://www.b4uact.org/research/survey-results/youth-suicidality-and-seeking-care/ B4U-Act Survey]</ref> In the words of former [[DSM]] editor, Michael First "If you're attracted to children at age 13 you’re going to be attracted to children at age 70." [[Research: A "cure" for pedophilia?#Early development\|Others]] would seem to confirm this. This supposed "age appropriate chronophilia" theory is contradicted by studies covering the attraction of females to adult and infant faces <ref>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7172780/</ref><ref>https://www.apa.org/science/about/psa/2004/01/maestripieri</ref> before and after menarche, and Kenrick's research on boys:		It has long been known by those experiencing a true, pedophilic attraction, that such an orientation becomes apparent very early in life.<ref>[https://www.b4uact.org/research/survey-results/youth-suicidality-and-seeking-care/ B4U-Act Survey]</ref> In the words of former [[DSM]] editor, Michael First "If you're attracted to children at age 13 you’re going to be attracted to children at age 70." [[Research: A "cure" for pedophilia?#Early development\|Others]] would seem to confirm this. This supposed "age appropriate chronophilia" theory is contradicted by studies covering the attraction of females to adult and infant faces <ref>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7172780/</ref><ref>https://www.apa.org/science/about/psa/2004/01/maestripieri</ref> before and after menarche, and Kenrick's research on boys:
	[[File:Screenshot 20210829-024225 Twitter.jpg\|thumb\|<small>The underpinning assumption works in the same way as an argument from ignorance (X has only ever tried Coca Cola (and likes it) so X prefers Coca Cola to Pepsi). However, the fallacious reasoning is rarely qualified formally.</small>]]		[[File:Screenshot 20210829-024225 Twitter.jpg\|thumb\|<small>The underpinning assumption works in the same way as an argument from ignorance (X has only ever tried Coca Cola (and likes it) so X prefers Coca Cola to Pepsi). However, the fallacious reasoning is rarely qualified formally.</small>]]
	:''"Although teenage males were willing to date girls slightly younger than themselves, they indicated a much wider range of acceptability above their own ages, and also reported that their ideally attractive partners would be several years older than themselves. Preferences of teenage females were similar in pattern to those of adult females, ranging, on average, from their own age to several years older."''<ref>https://srcd.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1467-8624.1996.tb01810.x</ref>		:''Although teenage males were willing to date girls slightly younger than themselves, they indicated a much wider range of acceptability above their own ages, and also reported that their ideally attractive partners would be several years older than themselves. Preferences of teenage females were similar in pattern to those of adult females, ranging, on average, from their own age to several years older.''<ref>https://srcd.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1467-8624.1996.tb01810.x</ref>

	This puts boys in the [[Research: Prevalence\|same ball-park as adult males]] - i.e. a strong attraction to the neoteny of a post pubertal girl or woman.		This puts boys in the [[Research: Prevalence\|same ball-park as adult males]] - i.e. a strong attraction to the neoteny of a post pubertal girl or woman.

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	A person's raw attraction to physical characteristics (and by extension, age preference) is unlikely to shift in line with their age, as they progress through puberty. While it is socially normative these days for minors to date among their school peer group and show their affection for one another, this says more about situational factors (proximity, experience, etc) and received standards than any inherent aspect of human nature. Western society forces minors into same-age peer groups thru the education system and indoctrinates them with the idea of an "age appropriate" courtship.		A person's raw attraction to physical characteristics (and by extension, age preference) is unlikely to shift in line with their age, as they progress through puberty. While it is socially normative these days for minors to date among their school peer group and show their affection for one another, this says more about situational factors (proximity, experience, etc) and received standards than any inherent aspect of human nature. Western society forces minors into same-age peer groups thru the education system and indoctrinates them with the idea of an "age appropriate" courtship.

	The implication here - the idea that that adult MAPs display psychosexual development equivalent to a small child, has [[Research: Psychopathy and abnormal psychology\|not gained ground in the sciences]]~~, and~~ has been replaced with an equally flawed "perturbation" theory related to abnormal brain structure or even physical trauma. ~~One~~ would then have to ask how similar attractions and urges can be expressed frequently as a normative "developmental phase" among youth, only to disappear so completely as the person progresses to adulthood. Such a fundamental change in [[chronophilia]] would require more than changing sex hormones, but actual physical changes to the parts of the brain which control sexual ''attractions''.		The implication here - the idea that that adult MAPs display a level of psychosexual development equivalent to a small child, has [[Research: Psychopathy and abnormal psychology\|not gained ground in the sciences]]. The outdated stereotype of the [[Debate Guide: "Stranger danger" or "It could be anyone"\|socially inadequate (or retarded) playground lurker]] has been replaced with an equally flawed "perturbation" theory related to supposed abnormal brain structure or even physical trauma among men who prefer minors. Conceding the argument from perturbation, one would then have to ask how similar attractions and urges can be expressed frequently as a normative "developmental phase" among youth, only to disappear so completely as the person progresses to adulthood. Such a fundamental change in [[chronophilia]] would require more than changing sex hormones, but actual physical changes to the parts of the brain which control sexual ''attractions''. There is no evidence of these differences in correctly sampled populations, despite multiple brain imaging studies.

	==Observed and lived experience==		==Observed and lived experience==

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	__NOTOC__<blockquote><font color="green">'''''It is both normal and acceptable for children to express a <u>childish sexuality</u>, but only towards one another. This is because erotic age preference naturally correlates with one's own age group throughout life, or at least until adulthood in the case of men. Youth who experience the same feelings as they become adults are abnormal and problematic, displaying <u>arrested psychosexual development</u>.'''''</font></blockquote>		__NOTOC__<blockquote><font color="green">'''''It is both normal and acceptable for children to express a <u>childish sexuality</u>, but only towards one another. This is because erotic age preference naturally correlates with one's own age group throughout life, or at least until adulthood in the case of men. Youth who experience the same feelings as they become adults are abnormal and problematic, displaying <u>arrested psychosexual development</u>.'''''</font></blockquote>

			[[File:Corresponding.png\|thumb\|<small>One example, in which the responder seems to be confused as to the concept of [[pedophilia]], rendering it contingent upon the age gap and its social normativity, as opposed to physical characteristics.</small>]]
	A person's raw attraction to physical characteristics (and by extension, age preference) is unlikely to shift in line with their age, as they progress through puberty. While it is socially normative these days for minors to date among their school peer group and show their affection for one another, this says more about situational factors (proximity, experience, etc) and received standards than any inherent aspect of human nature. Western society forces minors into same-age peer groups thru the education system and indoctrinates them with the idea of an "age appropriate" courtship.		A person's raw attraction to physical characteristics (and by extension, age preference) is unlikely to shift in line with their age, as they progress through puberty. While it is socially normative these days for minors to date among their school peer group and show their affection for one another, this says more about situational factors (proximity, experience, etc) and received standards than any inherent aspect of human nature. Western society forces minors into same-age peer groups thru the education system and indoctrinates them with the idea of an "age appropriate" courtship.

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	It has long been known by those experiencing a true, pedophilic attraction, that such an orientation becomes apparent very early in life.<ref>[https://www.b4uact.org/research/survey-results/youth-suicidality-and-seeking-care/ B4U-Act Survey]</ref> In the words of former [[DSM]] editor, Michael First "If you're attracted to children at age 13 you’re going to be attracted to children at age 70." [[Research: A "cure" for pedophilia?#Early development\|Others]] would seem to confirm this. This supposed "age appropriate chronophilia" theory is contradicted by studies covering the attraction of females to adult and infant faces <ref>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7172780/</ref><ref>https://www.apa.org/science/about/psa/2004/01/maestripieri</ref> before and after menarche, and Kenrick's research on boys:		It has long been known by those experiencing a true, pedophilic attraction, that such an orientation becomes apparent very early in life.<ref>[https://www.b4uact.org/research/survey-results/youth-suicidality-and-seeking-care/ B4U-Act Survey]</ref> In the words of former [[DSM]] editor, Michael First "If you're attracted to children at age 13 you’re going to be attracted to children at age 70." [[Research: A "cure" for pedophilia?#Early development\|Others]] would seem to confirm this. This supposed "age appropriate chronophilia" theory is contradicted by studies covering the attraction of females to adult and infant faces <ref>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7172780/</ref><ref>https://www.apa.org/science/about/psa/2004/01/maestripieri</ref> before and after menarche, and Kenrick's research on boys:
			[[File:Screenshot 20210829-024225 Twitter.jpg\|thumb\|<small>The underpinning assumption works in the same way as an argument from ignorance (X has only ever tried Coca Cola (and likes it) so X prefers Coca Cola to Pepsi). However, the fallacious reasoning is rarely qualified formally.</small>]]
	:''"Although teenage males were willing to date girls slightly younger than themselves, they indicated a much wider range of acceptability above their own ages, and also reported that their ideally attractive partners would be several years older than themselves. Preferences of teenage females were similar in pattern to those of adult females, ranging, on average, from their own age to several years older."''<ref>https://srcd.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1467-8624.1996.tb01810.x</ref>		:''"Although teenage males were willing to date girls slightly younger than themselves, they indicated a much wider range of acceptability above their own ages, and also reported that their ideally attractive partners would be several years older than themselves. Preferences of teenage females were similar in pattern to those of adult females, ranging, on average, from their own age to several years older."''<ref>https://srcd.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1467-8624.1996.tb01810.x</ref>

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	Some surveys of women on dating sites reveal that the men who "look best" to them get older as they themselves age. While men's attraction to physical features of young women remains stable, they do generally readjust their dating behavior to take advantage of the surplus of older women who become interested in them as they age.<ref>[https://www.businessinsider.com/dataclysm-shows-men-are-attracted-to-women-in-their-20s-2014-10?international=true&r=US&IR=T CHARTS: Guys Like Women In Their Early 20s Regardless Of How Old They Get - Business Insider]</ref>		Some surveys of women on dating sites reveal that the men who "look best" to them get older as they themselves age. While men's attraction to physical features of young women remains stable, they do generally readjust their dating behavior to take advantage of the surplus of older women who become interested in them as they age.<ref>[https://www.businessinsider.com/dataclysm-shows-men-are-attracted-to-women-in-their-20s-2014-10?international=true&r=US&IR=T CHARTS: Guys Like Women In Their Early 20s Regardless Of How Old They Get - Business Insider]</ref>

	~~==Examples==~~

	~~<gallery>~~
	Corresponding.png\|<small>One example, in which the responder seems to be confused as to the concept of [[pedophilia]], rendering it contingent upon the age gap and its social normativity, as opposed to physical characteristics.</small>
	File:Screenshot 20210829-024225 Twitter.jpg\|<small>The underpinning assumption works in the same way as an argument from ignorance (X has only ever tried Coca Cola (and likes it) so X prefers Coca Cola to Pepsi). However, the fallacious reasoning is rarely qualified in such a way</small>
	~~</gallery>~~

	==See also==		==See also==

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	<blockquote><font color="green">'''''It is both normal and acceptable for children to express a <u>childish sexuality</u>, but only towards one another. This is because erotic age preference naturally correlates with one's own age group throughout life, or at least until adulthood in the case of men. Youth who experience the same feelings as they become adults are abnormal and problematic, displaying <u>arrested psychosexual development</u>.'''''</font></blockquote>		__NOTOC__<blockquote><font color="green">'''''It is both normal and acceptable for children to express a <u>childish sexuality</u>, but only towards one another. This is because erotic age preference naturally correlates with one's own age group throughout life, or at least until adulthood in the case of men. Youth who experience the same feelings as they become adults are abnormal and problematic, displaying <u>arrested psychosexual development</u>.'''''</font></blockquote>

	A person's raw attraction to physical characteristics (and by extension, age preference) is unlikely to shift in line with their age, as they progress through puberty. While it is socially normative these days for minors to date among their school peer group and show their affection for one another, this says more about situational factors (proximity, experience, etc) and received standards than any inherent aspect of human nature. Western society forces minors into same-age peer groups thru the education system and indoctrinates them with the idea of an "age appropriate" courtship.		A person's raw attraction to physical characteristics (and by extension, age preference) is unlikely to shift in line with their age, as they progress through puberty. While it is socially normative these days for minors to date among their school peer group and show their affection for one another, this says more about situational factors (proximity, experience, etc) and received standards than any inherent aspect of human nature. Western society forces minors into same-age peer groups thru the education system and indoctrinates them with the idea of an "age appropriate" courtship.

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	<blockquote><font color="green">'''''It is both normal and acceptable for children to express a <u>childish sexuality</u>, but only towards one another. This is because erotic age preference naturally correlates with one's own age group throughout life, or at least until adulthood in the case of men. Youth who experience the same feelings as they become adults are abnormal and problematic, displaying <u>arrested psychosexual development</u>.'''''</font></blockquote>		<blockquote><font color="green">'''''It is both normal and acceptable for children to express a <u>childish sexuality</u>, but only towards one another. This is because erotic age preference naturally correlates with one's own age group throughout life, or at least until adulthood in the case of men. Youth who experience the same feelings as they become adults are abnormal and problematic, displaying <u>arrested psychosexual development</u>.'''''</font></blockquote>

	A person's raw attraction to physical characteristics (and by extension, age preference) is unlikely to shift in line with their age, as they progress through puberty. While it is socially normative these days for minors to date among their school peer group and show their affection for one another, this says more about situational factors (proximity, experience, etc) and received standards than any inherent aspect of human nature. Western society forces minors into same-age peer groups thru the education system and indoctrinates them with the idea of an "age appropriate" ~~chronophilia and~~ courtship.		A person's raw attraction to physical characteristics (and by extension, age preference) is unlikely to shift in line with their age, as they progress through puberty. While it is socially normative these days for minors to date among their school peer group and show their affection for one another, this says more about situational factors (proximity, experience, etc) and received standards than any inherent aspect of human nature. Western society forces minors into same-age peer groups thru the education system and indoctrinates them with the idea of an "age appropriate" courtship.

	~~Such~~ a ~~fundamental change in~~ [[~~chronophilia~~]] ~~would require more than changing sex hormones~~, ~~but actual physical changes~~ to ~~the parts of the brain which control sexual ''attractions''. With some theorists suggesting that~~ abnormal brain structure ~~and~~ even physical trauma ~~are causes of pedophilic attractions, one~~ would have to ask how similar attractions and urges can be expressed as a normative "developmental phase" among youth, only to disappear completely as the person progresses to adulthood. ~~The implication here, - the idea that that adult MAPs display psychosexual development equivalent to~~ a ~~small child, has~~ [[~~Research: Psychopathy and abnormal psychology\|not gained ground in the sciences~~]], and ~~has been replaced with an equally flawed "perturbation" theory.~~		The implication here - the idea that that adult MAPs display psychosexual development equivalent to a small child, has [[Research: Psychopathy and abnormal psychology\|not gained ground in the sciences]], and has been replaced with an equally flawed "perturbation" theory related to abnormal brain structure or even physical trauma. One would then have to ask how similar attractions and urges can be expressed frequently as a normative "developmental phase" among youth, only to disappear so completely as the person progresses to adulthood. Such a fundamental change in [[chronophilia]] would require more than changing sex hormones, but actual physical changes to the parts of the brain which control sexual ''attractions''.

			==Observed and lived experience==

	It has long been known by those experiencing a true, pedophilic attraction, that such an orientation becomes apparent very early in life.<ref>[https://www.b4uact.org/research/survey-results/youth-suicidality-and-seeking-care/ B4U-Act Survey]</ref> In the words of former [[DSM]] editor, Michael First "If you're attracted to children at age 13 you’re going to be attracted to children at age 70." [[Research: A "cure" for pedophilia?#Early development\|Others]] would seem to confirm this. This supposed "age appropriate chronophilia" theory is contradicted by studies covering the attraction of females to adult and infant faces <ref>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7172780/</ref><ref>https://www.apa.org/science/about/psa/2004/01/maestripieri</ref> before and after menarche, and Kenrick's research on boys:		It has long been known by those experiencing a true, pedophilic attraction, that such an orientation becomes apparent very early in life.<ref>[https://www.b4uact.org/research/survey-results/youth-suicidality-and-seeking-care/ B4U-Act Survey]</ref> In the words of former [[DSM]] editor, Michael First "If you're attracted to children at age 13 you’re going to be attracted to children at age 70." [[Research: A "cure" for pedophilia?#Early development\|Others]] would seem to confirm this. This supposed "age appropriate chronophilia" theory is contradicted by studies covering the attraction of females to adult and infant faces <ref>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7172780/</ref><ref>https://www.apa.org/science/about/psa/2004/01/maestripieri</ref> before and after menarche, and Kenrick's research on boys:

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	[[File:Corresponding.png\|thumb\|<small>One example, in which the responder seems to be confused as to the concept of [[pedophilia]], rendering it contingent upon the age gap and its social normativity, as opposed to physical characteristics.</small>]]		[[File:Corresponding.png\|thumb\|<small>One example, in which the responder seems to be confused as to the concept of [[pedophilia]], rendering it contingent upon the age gap and its social normativity, as opposed to physical characteristics.</small>]]
	A person's raw attraction to physical characteristics (and by extension, age preference) is unlikely to shift in line with their age, as they progress through puberty. While it is [[:~~File~~:Pedophilia - Mark Normand.mp4\|socially normative these days]] for minors to date among their school peer group and show their affection for one another, this says more about situational factors (proximity, experience, etc) and received standards than any inherent aspect of human nature. Western society forces minors into same-age peer groups thru the education system and indoctrinates them with the idea of an "age appropriate" courtship.		A person's raw attraction to physical characteristics (and by extension, age preference) is unlikely to shift in line with their age, as they progress through puberty. While it is [[:Media:Pedophilia - Mark Normand.mp4\|socially normative these days]] for minors to date among their school peer group and show their affection for one another, this says more about situational factors (proximity, experience, etc) and received standards than any inherent aspect of human nature. Western society forces minors into same-age peer groups thru the education system and indoctrinates them with the idea of an "age appropriate" courtship.

	The implication here - the idea that that adult MAPs display a level of psychosexual development equivalent to a small child, has [[Research: Psychopathy and abnormal psychology\|not gained ground in the sciences]]. The outdated stereotype of the [[Debate Guide: "Stranger danger" or "It could be anyone"\|socially inadequate (or retarded) playground lurker]] has been replaced with an equally flawed "perturbation" theory related to supposed abnormal brain structure or even physical trauma among men who prefer minors. Conceding the argument from perturbation, one would then have to ask how similar attractions and urges can be expressed frequently as a normative "developmental phase" among youth, only to disappear so completely as the person progresses to adulthood. Such a fundamental change in [[chronophilia]] would require more than changing sex hormones, but actual physical changes to the parts of the brain which control sexual ''attractions''. There is no evidence of these differences in correctly sampled populations, despite multiple brain imaging studies.		The implication here - the idea that that adult MAPs display a level of psychosexual development equivalent to a small child, has [[Research: Psychopathy and abnormal psychology\|not gained ground in the sciences]]. The outdated stereotype of the [[Debate Guide: "Stranger danger" or "It could be anyone"\|socially inadequate (or retarded) playground lurker]] has been replaced with an equally flawed "perturbation" theory related to supposed abnormal brain structure or even physical trauma among men who prefer minors. Conceding the argument from perturbation, one would then have to ask how similar attractions and urges can be expressed frequently as a normative "developmental phase" among youth, only to disappear so completely as the person progresses to adulthood. Such a fundamental change in [[chronophilia]] would require more than changing sex hormones, but actual physical changes to the parts of the brain which control sexual ''attractions''. There is no evidence of these differences in correctly sampled populations, despite multiple brain imaging studies.