Debate Guide: Misdefinitions and Rhetorical Manipulation - Revision history

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	This is an objectifying term that presents sexual intimacy as something that is done by an older partner unto a younger one. It assumes penetration and has coercive overtones. A reasoned debate can only be had if the very definitions that we use are objective, and preferably shared by all sides of a debate. The well-known author and feminist, [[Patrick Califia]], has noted that if engaging in sexual relations with their partners, [[boylove]]rs generally show more concern for the pleasure of their partners than does the average heterophile.		This is an objectifying term that presents sexual intimacy as something that is done by an older partner unto a younger one. It assumes penetration, the ''direction'' of penetration, and thus has coercive overtones. A reasoned debate can only be had if the very definitions that we use are objective, and preferably shared by all sides of a debate. The well-known author and feminist, [[Patrick Califia]], has noted that if engaging in sexual relations with their partners, [[boylove]]rs generally show more concern for the pleasure of their partners than does the average heterophile.

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	An opponent may deliberately or unknowingly profit from rhetorical effect by ~~always describing~~ adult-minor sexual interactions as "sexual ~~relationships~~". ~~Your~~ opponent is mentally superimposing adult relationship models upon the hypothetical ~~relationship~~ in question. ~~This western~~ "adult" relationship ~~model~~ is constructed to satisfy the needs and rights of modern, western "adults", and not younger people. ~~Another implication here~~, ~~is that a relationship involving sexual intimacy~~, ~~is ''necessarily~~ and ~~primarily'' a "sexual~~ relationship". ~~Other~~ factors ~~are neglected, since our preconception of a "pedophile" relationship is heavily biased; indeed, the sex is under an undue level of scrutiny~~.		An opponent may deliberately or unknowingly profit from rhetorical effect by holding adult-minor sexual interactions to a "sexual relationship" standard. By using the language "sexual relationship", your opponent is mentally superimposing traditional adult relationship models upon the hypothetical age-disparate relation in question. The Western "adult" relationship norm is constructed to satisfy the needs and rights of modern, western "adults", mainly heterosexuals, and not younger people and their partners. See, for example how homosexuals, following their own liberation, have been fast to adopt more open and casual relationship models via the internet and GPS dating apps. These permit and encourage casual connections based on raw attraction, absent traditional factors such as romance and commitment.

	[[Accounts and Testimonies\|Accounts]] and [[research]] might help us understand how these relations may develop under an emancipation model.		Another assumption embedded in this langage, is the idea that a relationship involving sexual intimacy is ''necessarily and primarily'' a "sexual relationship". Other factors are neglected, since our preconception of a "pedophile" relationship is heavily biased; indeed, the sex is under an undue level of scrutiny. MAPs frequently complain of how their personal experiences are being sexualized by wider society.

			[[Accounts and Testimonies\|Accounts]] and [[research]] might help us understand how these relations may eventually develop under a youth emancipation model.

	==Addressing non-constructive/low-quality opponents==		==Addressing non-constructive/low-quality opponents==

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	This is an objectifying term that presents sexual intimacy as something that is done by an older partner unto a younger one. It assumes penetration and has coercive overtones. A reasoned debate can only be had if the very definitions that we use are objective, and preferably shared by all sides of a debate. The well-known author and feminist, [[Patrick ~~Califa~~]], has noted that if engaging in sexual relations with their partners, [[boylove]]rs generally show more concern for the pleasure of their partners than does the average heterophile.		This is an objectifying term that presents sexual intimacy as something that is done by an older partner unto a younger one. It assumes penetration and has coercive overtones. A reasoned debate can only be had if the very definitions that we use are objective, and preferably shared by all sides of a debate. The well-known author and feminist, [[Patrick Califia]], has noted that if engaging in sexual relations with their partners, [[boylove]]rs generally show more concern for the pleasure of their partners than does the average heterophile.

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	'''[[Pedophilia]] is a sexual attraction towards prepubescent children.'''		'''[[Pedophilia]] is a sexual attraction towards prepubescent children.'''

	Dictionaries provide basic definitions, e.g. 'sexual desire directed towards children' (Oxford, 1991), and sometimes specify the colloquial uses. Sexual contact with a child or minor should not automatically qualify a person as a Pedophile~~, as not~~ only does the etymology of ~~Pedophiliahave nothing~~ to ~~do with~~ behavior, but most ~~such behaviors~~ are [[Research: Offender characteristics\|conducted by non-pedophiles]]. Diagnostic criteria clearly state that a ''pedophilic'' attraction must be present, and various experts and child-protection agencies also point this out.<ref>[https://learning.nspcc.org.uk/news/why-language-matters/paedophile-problematic-caution NSPCC: Use "Paedophile" cautiously]</ref><ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20170630142857/https://medium.com/pedophiles-about-pedophilia/the-stigmatization-of-pedophilia-71e956dfed02 Enderphile blog post including the BBC's response to misdefinition of pedophile]</ref>		Dictionaries provide basic definitions, e.g. 'sexual desire directed towards children' (Oxford, 1991), and sometimes specify the colloquial uses. Sexual contact with a child or minor should not automatically qualify a person as a Pedophile. Not only does the etymology of Pedophilia not relate to such behavior, but most of these crimes are [[Research: Offender characteristics\|conducted by non-pedophiles]]. Diagnostic criteria clearly state that a ''pedophilic'' attraction must be present, and various experts and child-protection agencies also point this out.<ref>[https://learning.nspcc.org.uk/news/why-language-matters/paedophile-problematic-caution NSPCC: Use "Paedophile" cautiously]</ref><ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20170630142857/https://medium.com/pedophiles-about-pedophilia/the-stigmatization-of-pedophilia-71e956dfed02 Enderphile blog post including the BBC's response to misdefinition of pedophile]</ref>

	===Hebephilia and Ephebophilia===		===Hebephilia and Ephebophilia===

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	'''[[Pedophilia]] is a sexual attraction towards prepubescent children.'''		'''[[Pedophilia]] is a sexual attraction towards prepubescent children.'''

	Dictionaries provide basic definitions, e.g. 'sexual desire directed towards children' (Oxford, 1991), and sometimes specify the colloquial uses. ~~Abuse of~~ a child should not automatically qualify a person as a Pedophile, as not only does the etymology of ~~Pedophilia does not relate~~ to behavior, but most such behaviors are [[Research: Offender characteristics\|conducted by non-pedophiles]]. Diagnostic criteria clearly state that a ''pedophilic'' attraction must be present, and various experts and child-protection agencies also point this out.<ref>[https://learning.nspcc.org.uk/news/why-language-matters/paedophile-problematic-caution NSPCC: Use "Paedophile" cautiously]</ref><ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20170630142857/https://medium.com/pedophiles-about-pedophilia/the-stigmatization-of-pedophilia-71e956dfed02 Enderphile blog post including the BBC's response to misdefinition of pedophile]</ref>		Dictionaries provide basic definitions, e.g. 'sexual desire directed towards children' (Oxford, 1991), and sometimes specify the colloquial uses. Sexual contact with a child or minor should not automatically qualify a person as a Pedophile, as not only does the etymology of Pedophiliahave nothing to do with behavior, but most such behaviors are [[Research: Offender characteristics\|conducted by non-pedophiles]]. Diagnostic criteria clearly state that a ''pedophilic'' attraction must be present, and various experts and child-protection agencies also point this out.<ref>[https://learning.nspcc.org.uk/news/why-language-matters/paedophile-problematic-caution NSPCC: Use "Paedophile" cautiously]</ref><ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20170630142857/https://medium.com/pedophiles-about-pedophilia/the-stigmatization-of-pedophilia-71e956dfed02 Enderphile blog post including the BBC's response to misdefinition of pedophile]</ref>

	===Hebephilia and Ephebophilia===		===Hebephilia and Ephebophilia===

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	[[Pedophilia]] ''is'' a sexual attraction towards ''~~prepubescent~~'~~' children.~~ Dictionaries provide basic definitions, e.g. 'sexual desire directed towards children' (Oxford, 1991), and sometimes specify the colloquial uses. Abuse of a child should not automatically qualify a person as a Pedophile, as the etymology of Pedophilia does not relate to behavior. Diagnostic criteria clearly state that a ''pedophilic'' attraction must be present, and various experts and child-protection agencies also point this out.<ref>[https://learning.nspcc.org.uk/news/why-language-matters/paedophile-problematic-caution NSPCC: Use "Paedophile" cautiously]</ref><ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20170630142857/https://medium.com/pedophiles-about-pedophilia/the-stigmatization-of-pedophilia-71e956dfed02 Enderphile blog post including the BBC's response to misdefinition of pedophile]</ref>		'''[[Pedophilia]] is a sexual attraction towards prepubescent children.'''

			Dictionaries provide basic definitions, e.g. 'sexual desire directed towards children' (Oxford, 1991), and sometimes specify the colloquial uses. Abuse of a child should not automatically qualify a person as a Pedophile, as not only does the etymology of Pedophilia does not relate to behavior, but most such behaviors are [[Research: Offender characteristics\|conducted by non-pedophiles]]. Diagnostic criteria clearly state that a ''pedophilic'' attraction must be present, and various experts and child-protection agencies also point this out.<ref>[https://learning.nspcc.org.uk/news/why-language-matters/paedophile-problematic-caution NSPCC: Use "Paedophile" cautiously]</ref><ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20170630142857/https://medium.com/pedophiles-about-pedophilia/the-stigmatization-of-pedophilia-71e956dfed02 Enderphile blog post including the BBC's response to misdefinition of pedophile]</ref>

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	[[Pedophilia]] ''is'' a sexual attraction towards ''prepubescent'' children. Dictionaries provide basic definitions, e.g. 'sexual desire directed towards children' (Oxford, 1991), and sometimes specify the colloquial uses. Abuse of a child should not automatically qualify a person as a Pedophile, as the etymology of Pedophilia does not relate to behavior. Diagnostic criteria clearly state that a ''pedophilic'' attraction must be present, and various ~~professional~~ and child-protection agencies also point this out.<ref>[https://learning.nspcc.org.uk/news/why-language-matters/paedophile-problematic-caution NSPCC: Use "Paedophile" cautiously]</ref>		[[Pedophilia]] ''is'' a sexual attraction towards ''prepubescent'' children. Dictionaries provide basic definitions, e.g. 'sexual desire directed towards children' (Oxford, 1991), and sometimes specify the colloquial uses. Abuse of a child should not automatically qualify a person as a Pedophile, as the etymology of Pedophilia does not relate to behavior. Diagnostic criteria clearly state that a ''pedophilic'' attraction must be present, and various experts and child-protection agencies also point this out.<ref>[https://learning.nspcc.org.uk/news/why-language-matters/paedophile-problematic-caution NSPCC: Use "Paedophile" cautiously]</ref><ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20170630142857/https://medium.com/pedophiles-about-pedophilia/the-stigmatization-of-pedophilia-71e956dfed02 Enderphile blog post including the BBC's response to misdefinition of pedophile]</ref>

	===Hebephilia and Ephebophilia===		===Hebephilia and Ephebophilia===

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	*"[[Minor-adult sex]]"		*"[[Minor-adult sex]]"
	*"Attraction to minors" or "attraction to a considerably younger person"		*"Attraction to minors" or "attraction to a considerably younger person"
	*"Pornographic material featuring minors"		*"Pornographic material featuring minors", or "Child Pedophilia" (a common malapropism)
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	If you feel that a "point by point" response to an over-reacting, emotional, repetitive, fallacious/low-quality opponent has effectively obscured your core contentions, it may be worthwhile to summarize your objection at the start of a post. Considering that your contributions may be "[[wikipedia:Too_long;_didn't_read\|TL;DR]]" for most readers, it is important to emphasize your main contention at the beginning of each large post, explaining why it has not changed in light of new argument. It is also advisable to relate back to your main contention/s, if you are addressing bulky, tangential arguments that may serve to distract.		If you feel that a "point by point" response to an over-reacting, emotional, repetitive, fallacious/low-quality opponent has effectively obscured your core contentions, it may be worthwhile to summarize your objection at the start of a post. Considering that your contributions may be "[[wikipedia:Too_long;_didn't_read\|TL;DR]]" for most readers, it is important to emphasize your main contention at the beginning of each large post, explaining why it has not changed in light of new argument. It is also advisable to relate back to your main contention/s, if you are addressing bulky, tangential arguments that may serve to distract.

			==References==

	[[Category:Debate]][[Category: Debate Advice & Technique]]		[[Category:Debate]][[Category: Debate Advice & Technique]]
	[[fr:Guide de débat: Répondre aux fautes de définitions]]		[[fr:Guide de débat: Répondre aux fautes de définitions]]

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	<div style="margin-~~right~~: 25px; float: ~~left~~;">__TOC__</div>To promote a consistent and amicable debate, you must be on the same page as your opponent with language. Opponents will misdefine common phrases in order to get away with indefensible arguments. As far as labelling is concerned, remember to make the point there is no such thing as 'the pedophile', no more so than 'the heterophile/homophile'. [[Minor Attracted Person\|Minor attracted people]] have no essential characteristics that distinguish them, save their attractions are strongly directed towards younger people. Therefore, MAPs should not be the exclusive targets of depersonalization. Point out the following examples:		<div style="margin-left: 25px; float: right;">__TOC__</div>To promote a consistent and amicable debate, you must be on the same page as your opponent with language. Opponents will misdefine common phrases in order to get away with indefensible arguments. As far as labelling is concerned, remember to make the point there is no such thing as 'the pedophile', no more so than 'the heterophile/homophile'. [[Minor Attracted Person\|Minor attracted people]] have no essential characteristics that distinguish them, save their attractions are strongly directed towards younger people. Therefore, MAPs should not be the exclusive targets of depersonalization. Point out the following examples:

	==Pedophilia==		==Pedophilia==