Debate Guide: Online dangers - Revision history

The Admins at 11:59, 9 May 2024

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	:*The number of survey respondents who actually befriended an adult online and then met the adult in person for sexual purposes, was zero.<ref>[http://interviews.slashdot.org/article.pl?no_d2=1&sid=08/02/26/1322248 Spreading the 1 in 5 number....]</ref>		:*The number of survey respondents who actually befriended an adult online and then met the adult in person for sexual purposes, was zero.<ref>[http://interviews.slashdot.org/article.pl?no_d2=1&sid=08/02/26/1322248 Spreading the 1 in 5 number....]</ref>

	Elsewhere, even establishment authorities such as [[David Finkelhor]] and associates point out that the common fears regarding the violent, involuntary nature of online solicitation as well as the myth that withholding personal information is an effective solution are all unfounded. Professional consensus is moving towards "self-victimisation" - which to any sound critical analyst, equates to the sexual agency of young people.<ref>[http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Ok05pxbYLJI "Just the facts about online youth victimisation" - Finkelhor and others]</ref>		Elsewhere, even establishment authorities such as [[David Finkelhor]] and associates point out that the common fears regarding the violent, involuntary nature of online solicitation as well as the myth that withholding personal information is an effective solution are all unfounded. Professional consensus is moving towards "self-victimisation" - which to any sound critical analyst, equates to the sexual agency of young people.<ref>[http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Ok05pxbYLJI "Just the facts about online youth victimisation" - Finkelhor and others]</ref> This meme of "self-victimization" was reinforced in the example of '''Omegle''', with former tweens and teenagers remembering their total indifference to witnessing sexual acts while they remained morally congruent, but struggling to reconcile this with their adult values after the site was scandalized in the media and shut down.<ref>[https://www.theguardian.com/media/2023/nov/15/omegle-closing-random-video-chat Goodbye Omegle: how the anonymous chatroom traumatized our teen years]</ref>

	~~Some~~, including [[Perverted Justice]] attempted to scaremonger over the now largely irrelevant networking site, Myspace:		Years ago, some, including [[Perverted Justice]] attempted to scaremonger over the now largely irrelevant networking site, Myspace:

	<blockquote><font color="green">'''''There are nearly 100,000 Registered (US) sex offenders on Myspace!'''''</font></blockquote>		<blockquote><font color="green">'''''There are nearly 100,000 Registered (US) sex offenders on Myspace!'''''</font></blockquote>

The Admins at 15:53, 1 August 2022

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	<blockquote><font color="green">'''''The web is a dangerous place for children, and they should be protected by constant observation when online. Each year 1 in 5 children is sexually solicited online!'''''</font></blockquote>		__NOTOC__<blockquote><font color="green">'''''The web is a dangerous place for children, and they should be protected by constant observation when online. Each year 1 in 5 children is sexually solicited online!'''''</font></blockquote>

	[[File:Online.png\|thumb\|Perhaps the simplest way to show reasonable disbelief is to highlight the struggles faced by Hansen/Eichenwald type journalists in finding even one genuinely exploited child]]		[[File:Online.png\|thumb\|Perhaps the simplest way to show reasonable disbelief is to highlight the struggles faced by Hansen/Eichenwald type journalists in finding even one genuinely exploited child]]
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	:*The 1 in 5 figure was the number that had received at least one instance of unwanted sex talk (including from other teenagers), or sex talk from an adult (whether wanted or not), in the past year.		:*The 1 in 5 figure was the number that had received at least one instance of unwanted sex talk (including from other teenagers), or sex talk from an adult (whether wanted or not), in the past year.
	:*The proportion of respondents who received a sexual flirtation from an adult, followed by a request to talk on the phone or meet in person, was about 1%.		:*The proportion of respondents who received a sexual flirtation from an adult, followed by a request to talk on the phone or meet in person, was about 1%.
	:*The number of survey respondents who actually befriended an adult online and then met the adult in person for sexual purposes, was zero.		:*The number of survey respondents who actually befriended an adult online and then met the adult in person for sexual purposes, was zero.<ref>[http://interviews.slashdot.org/article.pl?no_d2=1&sid=08/02/26/1322248 Spreading the 1 in 5 number....]</ref>
	~~:''Source~~ [http://interviews.slashdot.org/article.pl?no_d2=1&sid=08/02/26/1322248]~~''.~~

	Elsewhere, even establishment authorities such as [[David Finkelhor]] and associates point out that the common fears regarding the violent, involuntary nature of online solicitation as well as the myth that withholding personal information is an effective solution are all unfounded. Professional consensus is moving towards "self-victimisation" - which to any sound critical analyst, equates to the sexual agency of young people.		Elsewhere, even establishment authorities such as [[David Finkelhor]] and associates point out that the common fears regarding the violent, involuntary nature of online solicitation as well as the myth that withholding personal information is an effective solution are all unfounded. Professional consensus is moving towards "self-victimisation" - which to any sound critical analyst, equates to the sexual agency of young people.<ref>[http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Ok05pxbYLJI "Just the facts about online youth victimisation" - Finkelhor and others]</ref>
	~~:''Source,~~ [http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Ok05pxbYLJI "Just the facts about online youth victimisation"] - Finkelhor and others~~''.~~

	Some, including [[Perverted Justice]] ~~engage in scaremongering~~ over the networking site, Myspace.		Some, including [[Perverted Justice]] attempted to scaremonger over the now largely irrelevant networking site, Myspace:

	:''"There are nearly 100,000 Registered [[US]] sex offenders on Myspace!"''		<blockquote><font color="green">'''''There are nearly 100,000 Registered (US) sex offenders on Myspace!'''''</font></blockquote>

	The source for the 90,000 claim is highly contentious, and if correct, would actually ~~demonstrate~~ that Sex Offenders ~~are~~ particularly careful not to partake in social networking. [http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/etan_on_tech/social_networking/ Pew] informs us that at least 50% online US adults with a social networking profile have a myspace. Since this refers only to adults who have and prefer to use a Myspace profile, the figure is ~~probably closer to 65%. Multiplying the 65% by .35 (~~the ~~fraction of online~~ US adults ~~who have a profile at all) and then by .80 (~~the ~~[http://www.reuters.com/article/internetNews/idUSN0559828420071106 internet access level] in the US) gives us 18.2~~% of ~~US adults who have~~ a ~~Myspace profile. A percentage calculation on the US Registered Sex Offender population of ~~~750,000 ~~yields 12%, using~~ the ~~90,000 estimate~~.		The source for the 90,000 claim is highly contentious, and if correct, would actually have demonstrated that Sex Offenders were particularly careful not to partake in social networking. This is because in the US, Myspace ''was'' far more popular among adults than the diminutive ''12%'' represented by "90,000" of a total "750,000" registered sex offenders at the time.

	~~As it happens~~, Myspace only ~~have~~ a public registry to go by, ~~and~~ the Myspace registrant's purported details. ~~As a result of this, the~~ number of false positives and indeed false negatives ~~is likely to be~~ huge~~. The term "cutting edge technology" (and the like) is probably used by MySpace to appease US Attorneys General and Government, both of whom want this data to be made public~~. In reality, Myspace ~~has~~ no way of knowing the IP addresses and other ~~electronical~~ data of registered SO's. ~~Perhaps, in light of this uncertainty, it would be better to point out that only~~ a very small fraction of sex offenders are inclined towards violent attacks on youngsters, and a negligible proportion of this number ~~used~~ the internet to ~~achieve~~ this~~. Only a fraction of Myspace profiles are ever activated, let alone actively used in the long run~~.		If they were to be effective in any forthcoming crusade against "predators" (as encouraged by US Attorneys General such as [[Wikipedia:Richard Blumenthal\|Richard Blumenthal]] and Government agencies), Myspace only had a public registry to go by, along with the Myspace registrant's purported details. The number of false positives and indeed false negatives they would have encountered would have been huge. In reality, Myspace had no way of knowing the IP addresses and other data of registered SO's. Only a very small fraction of sex offenders are inclined towards ''violent'' attacks on youngsters, and a negligible proportion of this number use the internet to facilitate this.

	==See also==		==See also==

	*[[Research: Commercial and online sexual exploitation]]		*[[Research: Commercial and online sexual exploitation]]

			==References==

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The Admins at 15:19, 1 August 2022

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	[[File:Online.png\|thumb\|Perhaps the simplest way to show reasonable disbelief is to highlight the struggles faced by Hansen/Eichenwald type journalists in finding even one genuinely exploited child]]		[[File:Online.png\|thumb\|Perhaps the simplest way to show reasonable disbelief is to highlight the struggles faced by Hansen/Eichenwald type journalists in finding even one genuinely exploited child]]

The Admins at 11:26, 19 November 2021

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	:''"The web is a dangerous place for children, and they should be protected by constant observation when online. Each year 1 in 5 children is sexually solicited online"''		:''"The web is a dangerous place for children, and they should be protected by constant observation when online. Each year 1 in 5 children is sexually solicited online"''

	[[File:Online.png\|thumb\|Perhaps the simplest way to show reasonable disbelief is to highlight the struggles of Hansen/Eichenwald type journalists ~~have faced~~ in finding even one genuinely exploited child]]		[[File:Online.png\|thumb\|Perhaps the simplest way to show reasonable disbelief is to highlight the struggles faced by Hansen/Eichenwald type journalists in finding even one genuinely exploited child]]
	The 1 in 5 figure is an example of the all too common deception used to scare people and deny young people intellectual freedom (supposedly granted by the [[UNCRC]]).		The 1 in 5 figure is an example of the all too common deception used to scare people and deny young people intellectual freedom (supposedly granted by the [[UNCRC]]).

The Admins at 11:25, 19 November 2021

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	:''"The web is a dangerous place for children, and they should be protected by constant observation when online. Each year 1 in 5 children is sexually solicited online"''		:''"The web is a dangerous place for children, and they should be protected by constant observation when online. Each year 1 in 5 children is sexually solicited online"''

	[[File:Online.png\|thumb\|Perhaps the simplest way to show reasonable disbelief is to highlight the struggles of Hansen/Eichenwald type journalists ~~to find~~ even one genuinely exploited child]]		[[File:Online.png\|thumb\|Perhaps the simplest way to show reasonable disbelief is to highlight the struggles of Hansen/Eichenwald type journalists have faced in finding even one genuinely exploited child]]
	The 1 in 5 figure is an example of the all too common deception used to scare people and deny young people intellectual freedom (supposedly granted by the [[UNCRC]]).		The 1 in 5 figure is an example of the all too common deception used to scare people and deny young people intellectual freedom (supposedly granted by the [[UNCRC]]).

The Admins at 09:27, 19 November 2021

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			[[File:Online.png\|thumb\|Perhaps the simplest way to show reasonable disbelief is to highlight the struggles of Hansen/Eichenwald type journalists to find even one genuinely exploited child]]
	The 1 in 5 figure is an example of the all too common deception used to scare people and deny young people intellectual freedom (supposedly granted by the [[UNCRC]]).		The 1 in 5 figure is an example of the all too common deception used to scare people and deny young people intellectual freedom (supposedly granted by the [[UNCRC]]).

JohnHolt at 13:30, 13 November 2021

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	==See also==		==See also==

	*[[Research: ~~The internet, minors~~ and "online ~~victimisation"~~]]		*[[Research: Commercial and online sexual exploitation]]

	[[Category:Debate]][[Category:Debating Points: Child/Minor]][[Category:Debating Points: Adults]]		[[Category:Debate]][[Category:Debating Points: Child/Minor]][[Category:Debating Points: Adults]]

	[[fr:Guide de débat: Dangers en ligne]]		[[fr:Guide de débat: Dangers en ligne]]

Boeotia at 22:34, 29 April 2009

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The Admins at 04:10, 6 February 2009

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	:''"There are nearly 100,000 Registered [[US]] sex offenders on Myspace!"''		:''"There are nearly 100,000 Registered [[US]] sex offenders on Myspace!"''

	The source for the 90,000 claim is highly contentious, and if correct, would actually demonstrate that Sex Offenders are particularly careful not to partake in social networking~~, since~~ [http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/etan_on_tech/social_networking/ Pew] informs us that at least 50% of US adults have a profile on ~~that site, and~~ the US Sex Offender population of ~750,000 ~~makes~~ 90,000 ~~a relatively small proportion compared to the Pew~~ estimate. As it happens, Myspace only have a public registry to go by, and the Myspace registrant's purported details. As a result of this, the number of false positives and false negatives is likely to be huge. The term "cutting edge technology" (and the like) is used by MySpace to appease US Attorneys General and Government. ~~They actually have~~ no way of knowing the IP addresses and other electronical data of registered SO's.		The source for the 90,000 claim is highly contentious, and if correct, would actually demonstrate that Sex Offenders are particularly careful not to partake in social networking. [http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/etan_on_tech/social_networking/ Pew] informs us that at least 50% online US adults with a social networking profile have a myspace. Since this refers only to adults who have and prefer to use a Myspace profile, the figure is probably closer to 65%. Multiplying the 65% by .35 (the fraction of online US adults who have a profile at all) and then by .80 (the [http://www.reuters.com/article/internetNews/idUSN0559828420071106 internet access level] in the US) gives us 18.2% of US adults who have a Myspace profile. A percentage calculation on the US Registered Sex Offender population of ~750,000 yields 12%, using the 90,000 estimate.

			As it happens, Myspace only have a public registry to go by, and the Myspace registrant's purported details. As a result of this, the number of false positives and indeed false negatives is likely to be huge. The term "cutting edge technology" (and the like) is probably used by MySpace to appease US Attorneys General and Government, both of whom want this data to be made public. In reality, Myspace has no way of knowing the IP addresses and other electronical data of registered SO's. Perhaps, in light of this uncertainty, it would be better to point out that only a very small fraction of sex offenders are inclined towards violent attacks on youngsters, and a negligible proportion of this number used the internet to achieve this. Only a fraction of Myspace profiles are ever activated, let alone actively used in the long run.

	==See also==		==See also==

The Admins at 03:45, 6 February 2009

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	:''"There are nearly 100,000 Registered [[US]] sex offenders on Myspace!"''		:''"There are nearly 100,000 Registered [[US]] sex offenders on Myspace!"''

	The source for the 90,000 claim is highly contentious, and if correct, would actually demonstrate that Sex Offenders are particularly careful not to partake in social networking, since [blogs.orlandosentinel.com/etan_on_tech/social_networking/ Pew] informs us that at least 50% of US adults have a profile on that site, and the US Sex Offender population of ~750,000. As it happens, Myspace only have a public registry to go by, and the Myspace registrant's purported details. As a result of this, the number of false positives and false negatives is likely to be huge. The term "cutting edge technology" (or the like) is used by MySpace to appease US Attorneys General and Government. They actually have no way of knowing the IP addresses and other electronical data of registered SO's.		The source for the 90,000 claim is highly contentious, and if correct, would actually demonstrate that Sex Offenders are particularly careful not to partake in social networking, since [http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/etan_on_tech/social_networking/ Pew] informs us that at least 50% of US adults have a profile on that site, and the US Sex Offender population of ~750,000 makes 90,000 a relatively small proportion compared to the Pew estimate. As it happens, Myspace only have a public registry to go by, and the Myspace registrant's purported details. As a result of this, the number of false positives and false negatives is likely to be huge. The term "cutting edge technology" (and the like) is used by MySpace to appease US Attorneys General and Government. They actually have no way of knowing the IP addresses and other electronical data of registered SO's.

	==See also==		==See also==