https://wiki.yesmap.net/wiki/index.php?action=history&feed=atom&title=Debate_Guide%3A_Pedophilia_is_unnaturalDebate Guide: Pedophilia is unnatural - Revision history2026-04-25T19:04:24ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.45.3https://wiki.yesmap.net/wiki/index.php?title=Debate_Guide:_Pedophilia_is_unnatural&diff=29089&oldid=prevThe Admins at 20:33, 8 September 20242024-09-08T20:33:08Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>[[File:Clergy.jpg|thumb|Even though [[Debate Guide: Religious arguments|no known religion formally condemns pedophilia]], many religious people are taught that it is sinful,<ref>[https://www.conservapedia.com/Debate:What_does_Christianity_say_about_Pedosexuality%3F Conservapedia: Christianity vs Pedosexuality]</ref> with the post hoc reasoning that it is "unnatural" or "perverse" and thus against God's will.]]Pedophilia is not unnatural. [[Research: Prevalence|Hebephilia]], in particular, is probably "normative". But let's first address the central fallacy of the argument from nature.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>[[File:Clergy.jpg|thumb|Even though [[Debate Guide: Religious arguments|no known religion formally condemns pedophilia]], many religious people are taught that it is sinful,<ref>[https://www.conservapedia.com/Debate:What_does_Christianity_say_about_Pedosexuality%3F Conservapedia: Christianity vs Pedosexuality]</ref> with the post hoc reasoning that it is "unnatural" or "perverse" and thus against God's will.]]Pedophilia is not unnatural<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">, since humans are part of nature and often manifest pedophilia</ins>. [[Research: Prevalence|Hebephilia]], in particular, is probably "normative". But let's first address the central fallacy of the argument from nature.</div></td></tr>
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</table>The Adminshttps://wiki.yesmap.net/wiki/index.php?title=Debate_Guide:_Pedophilia_is_unnatural&diff=25851&oldid=prevThe Admins at 02:31, 5 May 20242024-05-05T02:31:01Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>[[File:Clergy.jpg|thumb|Even though [[Debate Guide: Religious arguments|<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">most religions do not condemn </del>pedophilia]], many religious people are taught that it is sinful, with the post hoc reasoning that it is "unnatural"]]Pedophilia is not unnatural. [[Research: Prevalence|Hebephilia]], in particular, is probably "normative". But let's first address the central fallacy of the argument from nature.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>[[File:Clergy.jpg|thumb|Even though [[Debate Guide: Religious arguments|<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">no known religion formally condemns </ins>pedophilia]], many religious people are taught that it is sinful,<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"><ref>[https://www.conservapedia.com/Debate:What_does_Christianity_say_about_Pedosexuality%3F Conservapedia: Christianity vs Pedosexuality]</ref> </ins>with the post hoc reasoning that it is "unnatural"]]Pedophilia is not unnatural. [[Research: Prevalence|Hebephilia]], in particular, is probably "normative". But let's first address the central fallacy of the argument from nature.</div></td></tr>
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</table>The Adminshttps://wiki.yesmap.net/wiki/index.php?title=Debate_Guide:_Pedophilia_is_unnatural&diff=25422&oldid=prevThe Admins at 15:36, 14 April 20242024-04-14T15:36:15Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>[[File:Clergy.jpg|thumb|Even though [[Debate Guide: Religious arguments|most religions do not condemn pedophilia]], many religious people are taught that it must be condemned as such]]Pedophilia is not unnatural. [[Research: Prevalence|Hebephilia]], in particular, is probably "normative". But let's first address the central fallacy of the argument from nature.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>[[File:Clergy.jpg|thumb|Even though [[Debate Guide: Religious arguments|most religions do not condemn pedophilia]], many religious people are taught that it must be condemned as such<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">, reasoning (post hoc) that it is "unnatural"</ins>]]Pedophilia is not unnatural. [[Research: Prevalence|Hebephilia]], in particular, is probably "normative". But let's first address the central fallacy of the argument from nature.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The opponent appears to believe that something is wrong simply because it is "unnatural". But, hold on. We do not dispute the morality of chemotherapy, HIV drugs, the motorcar or modern agriculture, all of which are the products of industry. Instead, our civilization is dependent upon them. If we are to assert that something, by not serving the immediate interests of nature is ''less moral'', not only would we be able to justify infanticide, but as skeptical scientists like [[Richard Green]] might remind us, we would also have to condemn [[homosexuality]].<ref>[http://www.sexual-offender-treatment.org/2-2010_01.html SOT: Green Letter]</ref> Yet, we celebrate gays and their culture in western society with an annual Pride Festival, and condemn the slaying of other people's children.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The opponent appears to believe that something is wrong simply because it is "unnatural". But, hold on. We do not dispute the morality of chemotherapy, HIV drugs, the motorcar or modern agriculture, all of which are the products of industry. Instead, our civilization is dependent upon them. If we are to assert that something, by not serving the immediate interests of nature is ''less moral'', not only would we be able to justify infanticide, but as skeptical scientists like [[Richard Green]] might remind us, we would also have to condemn [[homosexuality]].<ref>[http://www.sexual-offender-treatment.org/2-2010_01.html SOT: Green Letter]</ref> Yet, we celebrate gays and their culture in western society with an annual Pride Festival, and condemn the slaying of other people's children.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*[[Wikipedia:Is–ought problem|Is–ought problem]] - Proponents of this argument may also show a general inability to distinguish is from ought statements.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*[[Wikipedia:Is–ought problem|Is–ought problem]] - Proponents of this argument may also show a general inability to distinguish is from ought statements.</div></td></tr>
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