https://wiki.yesmap.net/wiki/index.php?action=history&feed=atom&title=Debate_Guide%3A_Self-loathing_hatredDebate Guide: Self-loathing hatred - Revision history2026-07-30T07:39:17ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.45.4https://wiki.yesmap.net/wiki/index.php?title=Debate_Guide:_Self-loathing_hatred&diff=34727&oldid=prevJim Burton at 01:46, 13 July 20262026-07-13T01:46:59Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">If the </del>history of art <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">is to be believed, it would appear </del>that child nudes are widely appreciated and idolized aesthetically. <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">It is easy to understand how widely these physical attractions toward the </del>sensuality and bodies of prepubescent children <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">must be felt, and the </del>guilt <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">this must cause </del>in cultures disposed towards demonizing or denying <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">it</del>. <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Through reaction </del>formation, <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">we externalize </del>the <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">resultant desire </del>to distance <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">ourselves </del>from <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">these attractions by attacking others who fit </del>the <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">stereotype</del>.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">The </ins>history of art <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">and high-culture tells us </ins>that child nudes are widely appreciated and idolized aesthetically. <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">The </ins>sensuality and bodies of prepubescent children <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">are thus a ''cause'' of severe </ins>guilt in cultures disposed towards demonizing or denying <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">child sexuality</ins>. <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Reaction </ins>formation <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">can therefore manifest as attacks on those who fit the pedophile stereotype</ins>, <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">as </ins>the <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">attacker wants </ins>to <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">''</ins>distance<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'' himself </ins>from the <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">[[Research: The Dangers of Stigma|stigma of pedophilia]]</ins>.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">This tendency is particularly pronounced in individuals who - </del>for example<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">, attack the "pedophile other" as </del>"wanting to rape babies". The <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">imputation </del>of <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">such extreme motives derives from </del>a <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">need </del>to distance <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">the "other" </del>from <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">what is in most cases their own strong erotic attraction to pubescent girls - preferential or non-preferential </del>[[hebephilia]]. Pseudoexclusive [[Teleiophilia|Teleiophiles]] (who <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">generally </del>experience <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">a </del>[[Hebephilia|hebephilic]] attraction <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">of some sort</del>) will often <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">emotionally </del>accuse others of "''thinking it's ok<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'' </del>to fuck children". This is seen as a "tell" for psychological repression or conscious control of hebephilic/pedophilic <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">interest</del>, <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">because </del>the <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">violent anti is projecting unto his target, an </del>''<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">acceptance</del>'' <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">of condemned desires. The most obvious mode of attack would be </del>simply <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">asserting </del>that <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">his target </del>is <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">a pedophile </del>and <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">he </del>is <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">not, yet the attacker insists upon a </del>''<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">merely moral</del>'' <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">boundary between himself and his victim. This is highly suggestive as to the true motives for the attack</del>.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">==Tells </ins>for <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">reaction formation==</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">A common </ins>example <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">of reaction formation are [[anti]]s who accuse pedophiles of ''</ins>"wanting to rape babies"<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">''</ins>. The <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">extremity </ins>of <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">the accusation is </ins>a <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">deliberate attempt </ins>to distance <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">pedophilia </ins>from [[hebephilia]] <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">- the latter typically being a very common attraction to older pubescent girls that many men experience internally but do not publicly acknowledge</ins>. </div></td></tr>
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</table>Jim Burtonhttps://wiki.yesmap.net/wiki/index.php?title=Debate_Guide:_Self-loathing_hatred&diff=25900&oldid=prevThe Admins at 17:51, 6 May 20242024-05-06T17:51:28Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>[[Image:Naziposter.jpg|thumb|Early manifestations of the German far-right sometimes asserted an insistently masculine <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">homosexual</del>/pederastic identity, highly disdainful towards effeminate homosexuals and women, something seen as supportive of nation building. This was exemplified by figures such as [[Hans Bluher]], Benedict Friedlaender, and the Wandervogel Movement mentioned later in this article]]Projection, guilt, exteriorisation and self-loathing are all important parts of the violently [[anti]]-pedophile psyche.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>[[Image:Naziposter.jpg|thumb|Early manifestations of the German far-right sometimes asserted an insistently masculine <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">bisexual</ins>/pederastic identity, highly disdainful towards effeminate homosexuals and women, something seen as supportive of nation building. This was exemplified by figures such as [[Hans Bluher]], Benedict Friedlaender, and the Wandervogel Movement mentioned later in this article]]Projection, guilt, exteriorisation and self-loathing are all important parts of the violently [[anti]]-pedophile psyche.</div></td></tr>
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September 4, 2020 • Pinko #2]</ref><ref>John Lauritsen and [[David Thorstad]], [http://libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=2DEA573FDCD494DF85C847B7009FA484 The Early Homosexual Rights Movement (1864–1935)]</ref><ref>[https://www.ipce.info/library_3/files/thorstad_1986.htm Man-Boy Love Then and Now]: A Personal-Political Appraisal, by David Thorstad (PDF also saved at, [https://www.newgon.net/wiki/images/Man_boy_love_then_and_now_by_David_Thorstad.pdf Newgon])</ref> present day trends also shed light on this psychological mechanism. For example, insistently "masculine", "straight" affected forms of male homosexuality continue to exist alongside and sometimes in opposition to its camp affected varieties. While these definitively masculine identities may have entered gay culture because of a mixture of self-hate and fetishization, intensely masculine homosexuality is now appreciated in and of itself. Clearer examples can be observed in the reactions of questioning gay or bisexual men who have moved from a "straight" lifestyle, some of whom will verbally or physically attack, blame and deny after engaging in gay sex "acts" they can not reconcile with their assumed sexual identity. Plethysmograph studies in which decidedly homophobic men were more than twice as likely to be aroused by gay stimuli as the nonhomophobic men, would appear to back this up.<ref>[https://sci-hub.se/10.1037/0021-843x.105.3.440 Adams HE, Wright LW Jr, Lohr BA. ''Is homophobia associated with homosexual arousal?'']. J Abnorm Psychol. 1996 Aug;105(3):440-5. See also science-media reports, which frame this as [https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/assault/roots/freud.html "latent homosexuality"] in bisexual men, rather than [https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-big-questions/201106/homophobic-men-are-aroused-gay-male-porn homosexual inclination per se].</ref></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>[[File:Bluherinnerbattlefield.png|180px|thumb|right|Quote in meme format]]Reaction formation is better known as a historical feature of gay culture, in societies where [[homosexuality]] is widely condemned. In addition to the well-documented history of <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">bisexuality </ins>and [[pederasty]] in the prewar German far-right movement,<ref>[https://pinko.online/pinko-2/reactionary-masculinity Reactionary Masculinity ... September 4, 2020 • Pinko #2]</ref><ref>John Lauritsen and [[David Thorstad]], [http://libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=2DEA573FDCD494DF85C847B7009FA484 The Early Homosexual Rights Movement (1864–1935)]</ref><ref>[https://www.ipce.info/library_3/files/thorstad_1986.htm Man-Boy Love Then and Now]: A Personal-Political Appraisal, by David Thorstad (PDF also saved at, [https://www.newgon.net/wiki/images/Man_boy_love_then_and_now_by_David_Thorstad.pdf Newgon])</ref> present day trends also shed light on this psychological mechanism. For example, insistently "masculine", "straight" affected forms of male homosexuality continue to exist alongside and sometimes in opposition to its camp affected varieties. While these definitively masculine identities may have entered gay culture because of a mixture of self-hate and fetishization, intensely masculine homosexuality is now appreciated in and of itself. Clearer examples can be observed in the reactions of questioning gay or bisexual men who have moved from a "straight" lifestyle, some of whom will verbally or physically attack, blame and deny after engaging in gay sex "acts" they can not reconcile with their assumed sexual identity. Plethysmograph studies in which decidedly homophobic men were more than twice as likely to be aroused by gay stimuli as the nonhomophobic men, would appear to back this up.<ref>[https://sci-hub.se/10.1037/0021-843x.105.3.440 Adams HE, Wright LW Jr, Lohr BA. ''Is homophobia associated with homosexual arousal?'']. J Abnorm Psychol. 1996 Aug;105(3):440-5. See also science-media reports, which frame this as [https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/assault/roots/freud.html "latent homosexuality"] in bisexual men, rather than [https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-big-questions/201106/homophobic-men-are-aroused-gay-male-porn homosexual inclination per se].</ref></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>[[File:Bluherinnerbattlefield.png|180px|thumb|right|Quote in meme format]]Reaction formation is better known as a historical feature of gay culture, in societies where [[homosexuality]] is widely condemned. In addition to the well-documented history of homosexuality and [[pederasty]] in the German far-right movement,<ref>[https://pinko.online/pinko-2/reactionary-masculinity Reactionary Masculinity ... September 4, 2020 • Pinko #2]</ref> present day trends also shed light on this psychological mechanism. For example, insistently "masculine", "straight" affected forms of male homosexuality continue to exist alongside and sometimes in opposition to its camp affected varieties. While these definitively masculine identities may have entered gay culture because of a mixture of self-hate and fetishization, intensely masculine homosexuality is now appreciated in and of itself. Clearer examples can be observed in the reactions of questioning gay or bisexual men who have moved from a "straight" lifestyle, some of whom will verbally or physically attack, blame and deny after engaging in gay sex "acts" they can not reconcile with their assumed sexual identity. Plethysmograph studies in which decidedly homophobic men were more than twice as likely to be aroused by gay stimuli as the nonhomophobic men, would appear to back this up.<ref>[https://sci-hub.se/10.1037/0021-843x.105.3.440 Adams HE, Wright LW Jr, Lohr BA. ''Is homophobia associated with homosexual arousal?'']. J Abnorm Psychol. 1996 Aug;105(3):440-5. See also science-media reports, which frame this as [https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/assault/roots/freud.html "latent homosexuality"] in bisexual men, rather than [https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-big-questions/201106/homophobic-men-are-aroused-gay-male-porn homosexual inclination per se].</ref></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>[[File:Bluherinnerbattlefield.png|180px|thumb|right|Quote in meme format]]Reaction formation is better known as a historical feature of gay culture, in societies where [[homosexuality]] is widely condemned. In addition to the well-documented history of homosexuality and [[pederasty]] in the <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">prewar </ins>German far-right movement,<ref>[https://pinko.online/pinko-2/reactionary-masculinity Reactionary Masculinity ... September 4, 2020 • Pinko #2]<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ref><ref>John Lauritsen and [[David Thorstad]], [http://libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=2DEA573FDCD494DF85C847B7009FA484 The Early Homosexual Rights Movement (1864–1935)]</ref><ref>[https://www.ipce.info/library_3/files/thorstad_1986.htm Man-Boy Love Then and Now]: A Personal-Political Appraisal, by David Thorstad (PDF also saved at, [https://www.newgon.net/wiki/images/Man_boy_love_then_and_now_by_David_Thorstad.pdf Newgon])</ins></ref> present day trends also shed light on this psychological mechanism. For example, insistently "masculine", "straight" affected forms of male homosexuality continue to exist alongside and sometimes in opposition to its camp affected varieties. While these definitively masculine identities may have entered gay culture because of a mixture of self-hate and fetishization, intensely masculine homosexuality is now appreciated in and of itself. Clearer examples can be observed in the reactions of questioning gay or bisexual men who have moved from a "straight" lifestyle, some of whom will verbally or physically attack, blame and deny after engaging in gay sex "acts" they can not reconcile with their assumed sexual identity. Plethysmograph studies in which decidedly homophobic men were more than twice as likely to be aroused by gay stimuli as the nonhomophobic men, would appear to back this up.<ref>[https://sci-hub.se/10.1037/0021-843x.105.3.440 Adams HE, Wright LW Jr, Lohr BA. ''Is homophobia associated with homosexual arousal?'']. J Abnorm Psychol. 1996 Aug;105(3):440-5. See also science-media reports, which frame this as [https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/assault/roots/freud.html "latent homosexuality"] in bisexual men, rather than [https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-big-questions/201106/homophobic-men-are-aroused-gay-male-porn homosexual inclination per se].</ref></div></td></tr>
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</table>The Adminshttps://wiki.yesmap.net/wiki/index.php?title=Debate_Guide:_Self-loathing_hatred&diff=25585&oldid=prevThe Admins at 23:08, 19 April 20242024-04-19T23:08:18Z<p></p>
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</table>The Adminshttps://wiki.yesmap.net/wiki/index.php?title=Debate_Guide:_Self-loathing_hatred&diff=25584&oldid=prevThe Admins at 23:07, 19 April 20242024-04-19T23:07:29Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><blockquote>''It's a very troubling issue for me, because when I was actively involved in the FBI, and I was putting people together ''[...]'' I got to know, particularly in the early days, most of the officers who were involved in these kind of investigations, and as the years went by, several of them turned out to be offenders themselves...''<ref>[https://fstube.net/w/pRPSQ3A3y3jac3hqkAMSTZ From 12.30 mins]</ref></blockquote></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><blockquote>''It's a very troubling issue for me, because when I was actively involved in the FBI, and I was putting people together ''[...]'' I got to know, particularly in the early days, most of the officers who were involved in these kind of investigations, and as the years went by, several of them turned out to be offenders themselves <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">[...] they somehow convince themselves that what they are doing is "different" </ins>...''<ref>[https://fstube.net/w/pRPSQ3A3y3jac3hqkAMSTZ From 12.30 mins]</ref></blockquote></div></td></tr>
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</table>The Adminshttps://wiki.yesmap.net/wiki/index.php?title=Debate_Guide:_Self-loathing_hatred&diff=25583&oldid=prevThe Admins at 22:35, 19 April 20242024-04-19T22:35:52Z<p></p>
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</table>The Adminshttps://wiki.yesmap.net/wiki/index.php?title=Debate_Guide:_Self-loathing_hatred&diff=25582&oldid=prevThe Admins at 22:35, 19 April 20242024-04-19T22:35:09Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>[[File:Bluherinnerbattlefield.png|180px|thumb|right|Quote in meme format]]Reaction formation is better known as a historical feature of gay culture, in societies where [[homosexuality]] is widely condemned. In addition to the well-documented history of homosexuality and [[pederasty]] in the German far-right movement, present day trends also shed light on this psychological mechanism. For example, insistently "masculine", "straight" affected forms of male homosexuality continue to exist alongside and sometimes in opposition to its camp affected varieties. While these definitively masculine identities may have entered gay culture because of a mixture of self-hate and fetishization, intensely masculine homosexuality is now appreciated in and of itself. Clearer examples can be observed in the reactions of questioning gay or bisexual men who have moved from a "straight" lifestyle, some of whom will verbally or physically attack, blame and deny after engaging in gay sex "acts" they can not reconcile with their assumed sexual identity. Plethysmograph studies in which decidedly homophobic men were more than twice as likely to be aroused by gay stimuli as the nonhomophobic men, would appear to back this up.<ref>[https://sci-hub.se/10.1037/0021-843x.105.3.440 Adams HE, Wright LW Jr, Lohr BA. ''Is homophobia associated with homosexual arousal?'']. J Abnorm Psychol. 1996 Aug;105(3):440-5. See also science-media reports, which frame this as [https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/assault/roots/freud.html "latent homosexuality"] in bisexual men, rather than [https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-big-questions/201106/homophobic-men-are-aroused-gay-male-porn homosexual inclination per se].</ref></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>[[File:Bluherinnerbattlefield.png|180px|thumb|right|Quote in meme format]]Reaction formation is better known as a historical feature of gay culture, in societies where [[homosexuality]] is widely condemned. In addition to the well-documented history of homosexuality and [[pederasty]] in the German far-right movement,<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"><ref>[https://pinko.online/pinko-2/reactionary-masculinity Reactionary Masculinity ... September 4, 2020 • Pinko #2]</ref> </ins>present day trends also shed light on this psychological mechanism. For example, insistently "masculine", "straight" affected forms of male homosexuality continue to exist alongside and sometimes in opposition to its camp affected varieties. While these definitively masculine identities may have entered gay culture because of a mixture of self-hate and fetishization, intensely masculine homosexuality is now appreciated in and of itself. Clearer examples can be observed in the reactions of questioning gay or bisexual men who have moved from a "straight" lifestyle, some of whom will verbally or physically attack, blame and deny after engaging in gay sex "acts" they can not reconcile with their assumed sexual identity. Plethysmograph studies in which decidedly homophobic men were more than twice as likely to be aroused by gay stimuli as the nonhomophobic men, would appear to back this up.<ref>[https://sci-hub.se/10.1037/0021-843x.105.3.440 Adams HE, Wright LW Jr, Lohr BA. ''Is homophobia associated with homosexual arousal?'']. J Abnorm Psychol. 1996 Aug;105(3):440-5. See also science-media reports, which frame this as [https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/assault/roots/freud.html "latent homosexuality"] in bisexual men, rather than [https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-big-questions/201106/homophobic-men-are-aroused-gay-male-porn homosexual inclination per se].</ref></div></td></tr>
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