Debate Guide: Sexual inexperience - Revision history

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			[[File:Purityball.jpg\|thumb\|A man nuzzles a young woman at a [[Wikipedia:Purity ball\|purity ball]]]]
	<blockquote><font color="green">'''''Young people are just children. They <u>lack the life experience</u> to understand the complexity of sex and its implications. This is why they can't give informed consent.'''''</font></blockquote>		<blockquote><font color="green">'''''Young people are just children. They <u>lack the life experience</u> to understand the complexity of sex and its implications. This is why they can't give informed consent.'''''</font></blockquote>
	Regardless of life experience, if we demand every sexual interaction satisfy "informed consent" (a legal standard), we start pigeonholing voluntary sex as "non-consenting". This (among other things) means that [[Research: Prevalence of Harm and Negative Outcomes\|"CSA" becomes empirically invalid as a scientific construct]], and thus useless.		Regardless of life experience, if we demand every sexual interaction satisfy "informed consent" (a legal standard), we start pigeonholing voluntary sex as "non-consenting". This (among other things) means that [[Research: Prevalence of Harm and Negative Outcomes\|"CSA" becomes empirically invalid as a scientific construct]], and thus useless.

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	<blockquote><font color="green">'''''~~Children or minors under age X~~ are ~~not experienced enough~~ to understand sex and its implications~~, and thus cannot possibly~~ give informed consent.'''''</font></blockquote>		<blockquote><font color="green">'''''Young people are just children. They <u>lack the life experience</u> to understand the complexity of sex and its implications. This is why they can't give informed consent.'''''</font></blockquote>
	~~Informed consent is another topic altogether - because~~ if we ~~insist on strict~~ "informed consent", [[Research: Prevalence of Harm and Negative Outcomes\|CSA becomes empirically invalid as a construct]], and thus useless~~. To use this dilemma to quickly shut down a debate, see [[CSA dilemma argument]]~~.		Regardless of life experience, if we demand every sexual interaction satisfy "informed consent" (a legal standard), we start pigeonholing voluntary sex as "non-consenting". This (among other things) means that [[Research: Prevalence of Harm and Negative Outcomes\|"CSA" becomes empirically invalid as a scientific construct]], and thus useless.

	But in lay terms, if not now, when will a minor gain the experience? And how will they, given sex education is hopelessly theoretical and pornography is condemned as the worst possible education? Think about it; we wouldn't ask a blind man to ~~help another blind man cross the road. We wouldn't want to learn to drive~~ a ~~car from someone who doesn't know how to drive. It is only when it comes to sex~~, ~~that people think an amateur having sex with another amateur is somehow healthy~~.		To use this dilemma to quickly shut down a debate, see [[CSA dilemma argument]].

	Further, sex is not inherently very complicated. It's an instinctive form of physical intimacy and expression of affection; touching each other and deriving joy from that. Apart from the basic precautions of safe sex (when required), that is all there is to it. While many adults associate "sex" with a variety of social rituals and expectations, these are not inherent necessities, and vary greatly even among the people adhering to them. As such, it can be expected that people of most ages will understand it just fine - a better question is whether every adult does. Are their opinions really formed with their "informed consent", even in a society full of indoctrination, soundbites and social engineering? If not, could these adults possibly consent to sex at such short notice, under such intense emotions? This causes us to ask - what exactly is consent? Must it involve a person knowing exactly what they are partaking in, regardless of whether the consequences are likely to be positive or negative? Given the confusion, wouldn't a better solution be to legislate against assault and coercion?		==Addressing (in)experience==

			The appeal to a minors' inexperience begs the question: if not now, when exactly should they gain sexual experience? For today's teens, there is not much of an alternative, so unnaturally prolonging the situation leaves them with few options:

			*Sex education is hopelessly theoretical and held back by games of political brinkmanship, meaning that curricula vary wildly from state to state.
			*Pornography has been condemned by [[Feminism\|Feminists]] and Conservatives alike as as the worst possible education.

			Would we ask a blind man to help another blind man cross the road, or learn to drive a car from someone who doesn't know how to drive? Why, when it comes to sex (something prohibitionists claim is highly complex) do we engage in this magical thinking and assume that one amateur coaching another is somehow a healthy thing?

			Further, sex is not inherently very complicated. It's an instinctive form of physical intimacy and expression of affection; touching each other and deriving joy from that. Apart from the basic precautions of safe sex (when required), that is all there is to it. While many adults associate "sex" with a variety of social rituals and expectations, these are not inherent necessities, and vary greatly even among the people adhering to them.

	==Consistency==		==Consistency==

	It should also be noted that for many activities, getting even a young child's informed consent is [[Debate Guide: Cognitive ability = consent\|not commonly considered to be all that important]], since no long-term harm is seen to be done. For those responsible for the child's care, [[Debate Guide: Power disparity\|non-consensual treatment of children]] (beating, physical restraint, bathing) is often seen as a necessity, playing a part in education and the everyday running of the household. As these are all behaviors that contribute to the socialization of a child, we must ask ourselves why these are not classified as evil crimes when compared to sexual touching absent force.		It should also be noted that for many activities, getting even a young child's informed consent is [[Debate Guide: Cognitive ability = consent\|not commonly considered to be all that important]], since no long-term harm is seen to be done. For those responsible for the child's care, [[Debate Guide: Power disparity\|non-consensual treatment of children]] (beating, physical restraint, bathing) is often seen as a necessity, playing a part in education and the everyday running of the household. As these are all behaviors that contribute to the socialization of a child, we must ask ourselves why these are not classified as evil crimes when compared to sexual touching of older minors absent force.

	==Congruence vs Repression==		==Congruence vs Repression==

	'''Incongruence''' is where the true perception of oneself ([[Research: Youth sexuality\|minors are well aware that they are sexual]]) clashes with society's supposition (pure, unperverted). Minors are therefore implicitly taught to view themselves as unusual and perverse, resulting in various anxieties and attempts to repress and deny their own nature, confining it to a straight and narrow path. Similarly, minors may not conceive of themselves as objects of desire, and are taught to be fearful of extra-~~famililial~~ adults' attentions. This neurosis may later manifest itself as excessive hatred towards pedophiles and other folk devils in adulthood.		'''Incongruence''' is where the true perception of oneself ([[Research: Youth sexuality\|minors are well aware that they are sexual]]) clashes with society's supposition (pure, unperverted). Minors are therefore implicitly taught to view themselves as unusual and perverse, resulting in various anxieties and attempts to repress and deny their own nature, confining it to a straight and narrow path. Similarly, minors may not conceive of themselves as objects of desire, and are taught to be fearful of extra-familial adults' attentions. This neurosis may later manifest itself as excessive hatred towards pedophiles and other folk devils in adulthood.

	A '''congruent''' upbringing is where socialization is compatible with the sexual desires of a child or minor<ref>[https://www.sexualskills.co.uk/sex-society/individual-develpment/sexual-development-childhood/ NVSH - Child Sexual Development]</ref>. For example, this means ~~that~~ parents should not scold their child for showing curiosity. If the [[Research: Sexual repression\|sexually neglected child]] cannot eventually come to terms with his/her sexuality (as a teenager or young adult), they may be left lacking in the ability to show affection, prone to social awkwardness/impropriety and confused about the validity and meaning of their own desires. [http://www.ipce.info/ipceweb/Library/barbach_bringing_up_.htm This article] goes to some length in explaining the sexual needs of children and how these are negotiated in relation to adults.		A '''congruent''' upbringing is where socialization is compatible with the sexual desires of a child or minor<ref>[https://www.sexualskills.co.uk/sex-society/individual-develpment/sexual-development-childhood/ NVSH - Child Sexual Development]</ref>. For example, this means parents should not scold their child for showing curiosity. If the [[Research: Sexual repression\|sexually neglected child]] cannot eventually come to terms with his/her sexuality (as a teenager or young adult), they may be left lacking in the ability to show affection, prone to social awkwardness/impropriety and confused about the validity and meaning of their own desires. [http://www.ipce.info/ipceweb/Library/barbach_bringing_up_.htm This article] goes to some length in explaining the sexual needs of children and how these are negotiated in relation to adults.

	==See also==		==See also==

	*[[~~Research~~: ~~Sexual repression~~]]		*[[Debate Guide: Cognitive ability = consent]]
			*[[Debate Guide: Teen brain]]
	*[[Debate Guide: Childhood innocence]]		*[[Debate Guide: Childhood innocence]]
	*[[Debate Guide: Cyclical paternalism]]		*[[Debate Guide: Cyclical paternalism]]
	*[[Debate Guide: Liberty-empowerment]]		*[[Debate Guide: Liberty-empowerment]]
			*[[Research: Sexual repression]]

	==References==		==References==

	[[Category:Debate]][[Category:Debating Points: Sociological]][[Category:Debating Points: Child/Minor]][[Category:Debating Points: Adult-Minor sex]]		[[Category:Debate]][[Category:Debating Points: Sociological]][[Category:Debating Points: Child/Minor]][[Category:Debating Points: Adult-Minor sex]]

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	<blockquote><font color="green">'''''Children or minors under age X are not experienced enough to understand sex and its implications, and thus cannot possibly give informed consent.'''''</font></blockquote>		<blockquote><font color="green">'''''Children or minors under age X are not experienced enough to understand sex and its implications, and thus cannot possibly give informed consent.'''''</font></blockquote>
	Informed consent is another topic altogether - because if ~~you~~ insist on strict "informed consent", [[Research: Prevalence of Harm and Negative Outcomes\|CSA becomes empirically invalid as a construct]], and thus useless. To use this dilemma to quickly shut down a debate, see [[CSA dilemma argument]].		Informed consent is another topic altogether - because if we insist on strict "informed consent", [[Research: Prevalence of Harm and Negative Outcomes\|CSA becomes empirically invalid as a construct]], and thus useless. To use this dilemma to quickly shut down a debate, see [[CSA dilemma argument]].

	But in lay terms, if not now, when will a minor gain the experience ~~you are coveting~~? And how will they, given sex education is hopelessly theoretical and pornography is condemned as the worst possible education? Think about it; ~~you~~ wouldn't ask a blind man to help another blind man cross the road. ~~You would not~~ want to learn to drive a car from someone who doesn't know how to drive. It is only when it comes to sex, that people think an amateur having sex with another amateur is somehow healthy.		But in lay terms, if not now, when will a minor gain the experience? And how will they, given sex education is hopelessly theoretical and pornography is condemned as the worst possible education? Think about it; we wouldn't ask a blind man to help another blind man cross the road. We wouldn't want to learn to drive a car from someone who doesn't know how to drive. It is only when it comes to sex, that people think an amateur having sex with another amateur is somehow healthy.

	Further, sex is not inherently very complicated. It's an instinctive form of physical intimacy and expression of affection; touching each other and deriving joy from that. Apart from the basic precautions of safe sex (when required), that is all there is to it. While many adults associate "sex" with a variety of social rituals and expectations, these are not inherent necessities, and vary greatly even among the people adhering to them. As such, it can be expected that people of most ages will understand it just fine - a better question is whether every adult does. Are their opinions really formed with their "informed consent", even in a society full of indoctrination, soundbites and social engineering? If not, could these adults possibly consent to sex at such short notice, under such intense emotions? This causes us to ask - what exactly is consent? Must it involve a person knowing exactly what they are partaking in, regardless of whether the consequences are likely to be positive or negative? Given the confusion, wouldn't a better solution be to legislate against assault and coercion?		Further, sex is not inherently very complicated. It's an instinctive form of physical intimacy and expression of affection; touching each other and deriving joy from that. Apart from the basic precautions of safe sex (when required), that is all there is to it. While many adults associate "sex" with a variety of social rituals and expectations, these are not inherent necessities, and vary greatly even among the people adhering to them. As such, it can be expected that people of most ages will understand it just fine - a better question is whether every adult does. Are their opinions really formed with their "informed consent", even in a society full of indoctrination, soundbites and social engineering? If not, could these adults possibly consent to sex at such short notice, under such intense emotions? This causes us to ask - what exactly is consent? Must it involve a person knowing exactly what they are partaking in, regardless of whether the consequences are likely to be positive or negative? Given the confusion, wouldn't a better solution be to legislate against assault and coercion?

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	<hr>		<blockquote><font color="green">'''''Children or minors under age X are not experienced enough to understand sex and its implications, and thus cannot possibly give informed consent.'''''</font></blockquote>
	Informed consent is another topic altogether - because if you insist on strict "informed consent", [[Research: Prevalence of Harm and Negative Outcomes\|CSA becomes empirically invalid as a construct]], and thus useless. To use this dilemma to quickly shut down a debate, see [[CSA dilemma argument]].		Informed consent is another topic altogether - because if you insist on strict "informed consent", [[Research: Prevalence of Harm and Negative Outcomes\|CSA becomes empirically invalid as a construct]], and thus useless. To use this dilemma to quickly shut down a debate, see [[CSA dilemma argument]].

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	Informed consent is another topic altogether - because if you insist on strict "informed consent", [[Research: Prevalence of Harm and Negative Outcomes\|CSA becomes empirically invalid as a construct]], and thus useless. To use this dilemma to quickly shut down a debate, see [[CSA dilemma argument]].		Informed consent is another topic altogether - because if you insist on strict "informed consent", [[Research: Prevalence of Harm and Negative Outcomes\|CSA becomes empirically invalid as a construct]], and thus useless. To use this dilemma to quickly shut down a debate, see [[CSA dilemma argument]].

	But in lay terms, if not now, when will a minor gain the experience you are coveting? And how will they, given sex education is hopelessly theoretical and pornography is condemned as the worst possible education?		But in lay terms, if not now, when will a minor gain the experience you are coveting? And how will they, given sex education is hopelessly theoretical and pornography is condemned as the worst possible education? Think about it; you wouldn't ask a blind man to help another blind man cross the road. You would not want to learn to drive a car from someone who doesn't know how to drive. It is only when it comes to sex, that people think an amateur having sex with another amateur is somehow healthy.

	~~Sex~~ is not inherently very complicated. It's an instinctive form of physical intimacy and expression of affection, touching each other and deriving joy from that. Apart from the basic precautions of safe sex~~, which are also very simple~~ (~~don't let part x touch part y directly, keep something in between it~~), that is all there is to it.		Further, sex is not inherently very complicated. It's an instinctive form of physical intimacy and expression of affection; touching each other and deriving joy from that. Apart from the basic precautions of safe sex (when required), that is all there is to it. While many adults associate "sex" with a variety of social rituals and expectations, these are not inherent necessities, and vary greatly even among the people adhering to them. As such, it can be expected that people of most ages will understand it just fine - a better question is whether every adult does. Are their opinions really formed with their "informed consent", even in a society full of indoctrination, soundbites and social engineering? If not, could these adults possibly consent to sex at such short notice, under such intense emotions? This causes us to ask - what exactly is consent? Must it involve a person knowing exactly what they are partaking in, regardless of whether the consequences are likely to be positive or negative? Given the confusion, wouldn't a better solution be to legislate against assault and coercion?

	While many adults associate it with a variety of social rituals and expectations, these are not inherent necessities ~~of sex~~ and vary greatly even among the people adhering to them. As such, it can be expected that ~~children~~ of most ages will understand ~~sex~~ just fine - a better question is whether ~~most adults really do~~. Are their opinions really formed with their "informed consent", even in a society full of indoctrination, soundbites and social engineering? If not, could these adults possibly consent to sex at such short notice, under such intense emotions? This causes us to ask what exactly consent ~~is.~~ Must it involve a person knowing exactly what they are partaking in, regardless of whether the consequences are likely to be positive or negative? Given the confusion, wouldn't a better solution be to legislate against assault and coercion?

	==Consistency==		==Consistency==

	~~While the ethical desirability of coercing young children might be questionable, it~~ should also be noted that for many ~~other~~ activities, getting a child's informed consent is [[Debate Guide: Cognitive ability = consent\|not commonly considered to be all that ~~vital~~]], since no long-term harm is seen to be done. For those responsible for the child's care, [[Debate Guide: Power disparity\|non-consensual treatment of children]] (beating, physical restraint, bathing) is often seen as a necessity, playing a part in education and the everyday running of the household. As these are all behaviors that contribute to the socialization of a child, we must ask ourselves why these are not classified as evil crimes when compared to sexual touching absent force.		It should also be noted that for many activities, getting even a young child's informed consent is [[Debate Guide: Cognitive ability = consent\|not commonly considered to be all that important]], since no long-term harm is seen to be done. For those responsible for the child's care, [[Debate Guide: Power disparity\|non-consensual treatment of children]] (beating, physical restraint, bathing) is often seen as a necessity, playing a part in education and the everyday running of the household. As these are all behaviors that contribute to the socialization of a child, we must ask ourselves why these are not classified as evil crimes when compared to sexual touching absent force.

	==Congruence vs Repression==		==Congruence vs Repression==

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	Informed consent is another topic altogether - because if you insist on strict "informed consent", [[Research: Prevalence of Harm and Negative Outcomes\|CSA becomes empirically invalid as a construct]], and thus useless. But in lay terms, if not now, when will a minor gain the experience you are coveting? And how will they, given sex education is hopelessly theoretical and pornography is condemned as the worst possible education?		Informed consent is another topic altogether - because if you insist on strict "informed consent", [[Research: Prevalence of Harm and Negative Outcomes\|CSA becomes empirically invalid as a construct]], and thus useless. To use this dilemma to quickly shut down a debate, see [[CSA dilemma argument]].

			But in lay terms, if not now, when will a minor gain the experience you are coveting? And how will they, given sex education is hopelessly theoretical and pornography is condemned as the worst possible education?

	Sex is not inherently very complicated. It's an instinctive form of physical intimacy and expression of affection, touching each other and deriving joy from that. Apart from the basic precautions of safe sex, which are also very simple (don't let part x touch part y directly, keep something in between it), that is all there is to it.		Sex is not inherently very complicated. It's an instinctive form of physical intimacy and expression of affection, touching each other and deriving joy from that. Apart from the basic precautions of safe sex, which are also very simple (don't let part x touch part y directly, keep something in between it), that is all there is to it.

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	If not now, when will a minor gain ~~this~~ experience? And how will they, given sex education is hopelessly theoretical and pornography is condemned as the worst possible education?		Informed consent is another topic altogether - because if you insist on strict "informed consent", [[Research: Prevalence of Harm and Negative Outcomes\|CSA becomes empirically invalid as a construct]], and thus useless. But in lay terms, if not now, when will a minor gain the experience you are coveting? And how will they, given sex education is hopelessly theoretical and pornography is condemned as the worst possible education?

	Sex is not inherently very complicated. It's an instinctive form of physical intimacy and expression of affection, touching each other and deriving joy from that. Apart from the basic precautions of safe sex, which are also very simple (don't let part x touch part y directly, keep something in between it), that is all there is to it.		Sex is not inherently very complicated. It's an instinctive form of physical intimacy and expression of affection, touching each other and deriving joy from that. Apart from the basic precautions of safe sex, which are also very simple (don't let part x touch part y directly, keep something in between it), that is all there is to it.

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	:''"Children or minors under age X are not experienced enough to understand sex and its implications, and thus cannot possibly give informed consent"''.		:__NOTOC__''"Children or minors under age X are not experienced enough to understand sex and its implications, and thus cannot possibly give informed consent"''.
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	If not now, when will a minor gain this experience? And how will they, given sex education is hopelessly theoretical and pornography is condemned as the worst possible education?		If not now, when will a minor gain this experience? And how will they, given sex education is hopelessly theoretical and pornography is condemned as the worst possible education?

	~~Ignoring the obvious problems of applying a hard age line to guess at an individual's experience, sex~~ is not inherently very complicated. It's an instinctive form of physical intimacy and expression of affection, touching each other and deriving joy from that. Apart from the basic precautions of safe sex, which are also very simple (don't let part x touch part y directly, keep something in between it), that is all there is to it. And while many adults associate it with a variety of social rituals and expectations, these are not inherent necessities of sex and vary greatly even among the people adhering to them. As such, it can be expected that children of most ages will understand sex just fine - a better question is whether most adults really do. Are their opinions really formed with their "informed consent", even in a society full of indoctrination, soundbites and social engineering? If not, could these adults possibly consent to sex at such short notice, under such intense emotions? This causes us to ask what exactly consent is. Must it involve a person knowing exactly what they are partaking in, regardless of whether the consequences are likely to be positive or negative? Shouldn’t we only be legislating against negative consequences?		Sex is not inherently very complicated. It's an instinctive form of physical intimacy and expression of affection, touching each other and deriving joy from that. Apart from the basic precautions of safe sex, which are also very simple (don't let part x touch part y directly, keep something in between it), that is all there is to it.

	It also ~~bares noting~~ that for many other activities, getting a child's informed consent is [[Debate Guide: Cognitive ability = consent\|not commonly considered to be all that vital]], as long ~~as they are not harmed by the process~~. For those responsible for the child's care, [[Debate Guide: Power disparity\|non-consensual treatment of children]] is often seen as a necessity, playing a part in education and the everyday running of the household. ~~Although it is definitely questionable whether such behavior is desirable in general, one does have~~ to ~~apply~~ the ~~same principles consistently in condemning or accepting behavior. For example, but for~~ a ~~variety of social factors explained elsewhere in this guide~~, ~~gentle coercion into sexual activities would be~~ as ~~harmless as gentle coercion into a bath-time scrub down. Vaguely stating that "it's~~ sexual~~" is not an adequate argument to warrant an exception~~.		While many adults associate it with a variety of social rituals and expectations, these are not inherent necessities of sex and vary greatly even among the people adhering to them. As such, it can be expected that children of most ages will understand sex just fine - a better question is whether most adults really do. Are their opinions really formed with their "informed consent", even in a society full of indoctrination, soundbites and social engineering? If not, could these adults possibly consent to sex at such short notice, under such intense emotions? This causes us to ask what exactly consent is. Must it involve a person knowing exactly what they are partaking in, regardless of whether the consequences are likely to be positive or negative? Given the confusion, wouldn't a better solution be to legislate against assault and coercion?

			==Consistency==

			While the ethical desirability of coercing young children might be questionable, it should also be noted that for many other activities, getting a child's informed consent is [[Debate Guide: Cognitive ability = consent\|not commonly considered to be all that vital]], since no long-term harm is seen to be done. For those responsible for the child's care, [[Debate Guide: Power disparity\|non-consensual treatment of children]] (beating, physical restraint, bathing) is often seen as a necessity, playing a part in education and the everyday running of the household. As these are all behaviors that contribute to the socialization of a child, we must ask ourselves why these are not classified as evil crimes when compared to sexual touching absent force.

	==Congruence vs Repression==		==Congruence vs Repression==

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	*[[Debate Guide: Liberty-empowerment]]		*[[Debate Guide: Liberty-empowerment]]
	*[[Research: Sexual repression]]		*[[Research: Sexual repression]]
	*[[Purity ~~Culture~~]]		*[[Purity culture]]

	==References==		==References==

	[[Category:Debate]][[Category:Debating Points: Sociological]][[Category:Debating Points: Child/Minor]][[Category:Debating Points: Adult-Minor sex]]		[[Category:Debate]][[Category:Debating Points: Sociological]][[Category:Debating Points: Child/Minor]][[Category:Debating Points: Adult-Minor sex]]