Debate Guide: The professional victim - Revision history

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	While this can be said of the [[Debate Guide: Child abuse industry\|child abuse industry]], it also applies to those (its clients, i.e. "[[survivor]]s") who have been indoctrinated by it, often during times of psychological vulnerability and internal moral conflict, and sometimes even under [[Repressed memory\|coercive conditions]]. Of course, it is incredibly hard to challenge "professional victims" when they speak out, as their experiences are loaded with an assumed dignity that is not afforded to those whose [[Accounts and Testimonies\|experiences are contrary to the narrative]]. [[Debate Guide: If we could only save one child\|Negative utilitarianism]] and [[Wikipedia:Slut-shaming\|slut shaming]] most certainly help perpetuate this double standard.		While this can be said of the [[Debate Guide: Child abuse industry\|child abuse industry]], it also applies to those (its clients, i.e. "[[survivor]]s") who have been indoctrinated by it, often during times of psychological vulnerability and internal moral conflict, and sometimes even under [[Repressed memory\|coercive conditions]]. Of course, it is incredibly hard to challenge "professional victims" when they speak out, as their experiences are loaded with an assumed dignity that is not afforded to those whose [[Accounts and Testimonies\|experiences are contrary to the narrative]]. [[Debate Guide: If we could only save one child\|Negative utilitarianism]] and [[Wikipedia:Slut-shaming\|slut shaming]] most certainly help perpetuate this double standard.

	It is important ~~that we~~ point out that no one has a monopoly on child abuse discourse. Experiences may vary, depending on the levels of coercive control and social shame. See [[Debate Guide: "As a parent" or "as a survivor"\|"as a parent" or "as a survivor"]] for more instruction on this matter.		It is important to point out that no one has a monopoly on child abuse discourse. Experiences may vary, depending on the levels of coercive control and social shame. See [[Debate Guide: "As a parent" or "as a survivor"\|"as a parent" or "as a survivor"]] for more instruction on this matter.

	==See also==		==See also==

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			[[File:Therapy4.jpg\|thumb\|Former law enforcement figureheads such as [https://fstube.net/w/6vByVdvMu6YPA2wQds8LP4 Kenneth Lanning] have detailed how, and speculated on why multiple examples of bizarre, depraved and far-fetched abuse suddenly started appearing in the 1980s]]
	The idea that a person is a victim of uncoerced sexual acts merely on the basis of their age, makes a mockery of and [[Child Sexual Abuse\|undermines intrinsically harmful acts]], including violent rape. In the latter, long-term post-traumatic stress and disturbance may well emerge without the need for social conditioning and shame. Yet, the dissemination of psychotherapy and abuse counseling, combined with an ''insistence'' that intrinsically harmless, but "shameful" experiences must by all means be conflated with rape, has created a powerful lobbying constituency. Jenkins describes this as:		The idea that a person is a victim of uncoerced sexual acts merely on the basis of their age, makes a mockery of and [[Child Sexual Abuse\|undermines intrinsically harmful acts]], including violent rape. In the latter, long-term post-traumatic stress and disturbance may well emerge without the need for social conditioning and shame. Yet, the dissemination of psychotherapy and abuse counseling, combined with an ''insistence'' that intrinsically harmless, but "shameful" experiences must by all means be conflated with rape, has created a powerful lobbying constituency. Jenkins describes this as:

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	It is important that we point out that no one has a monopoly on child abuse discourse. Experiences may vary, depending on the levels of coercive control and social shame. See [[Debate Guide: "As a parent" or "as a survivor"\|"as a parent" or "as a survivor"]] for more instruction on this matter.		It is important that we point out that no one has a monopoly on child abuse discourse. Experiences may vary, depending on the levels of coercive control and social shame. See [[Debate Guide: "As a parent" or "as a survivor"\|"as a parent" or "as a survivor"]] for more instruction on this matter.

			==See also==

			*[[Systemic Sexual Harassment]]

	==References==		==References==

	[[Category:Debate]][[Category:Debating Points: Sociological]][[Category:Debating Points: Child/Minor]]		[[Category:Debate]][[Category:Debating Points: Sociological]][[Category:Debating Points: Child/Minor]]

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	~~Whilst true victimhood~~ is ~~emergent~~, ~~child sexual victimhood often~~ makes a mockery of and undermines intrinsically harmful acts, including violent rape, ~~that may cause~~ long-term ~~trauma~~ without the need for social conditioning and shame.		The idea that a person is a victim of uncoerced sexual acts merely on the basis of their age, makes a mockery of and [[Child Sexual Abuse\|undermines intrinsically harmful acts]], including violent rape. In the latter, long-term post-traumatic stress and disturbance may well emerge without the need for social conditioning and shame. Yet, the dissemination of psychotherapy and abuse counseling, combined with an ''insistence'' that intrinsically harmless, but "shameful" experiences must by all means be conflated with rape, has created a powerful lobbying constituency. Jenkins describes this as:

	~~The number of real-life and online organisations and levels of authority now involved~~ in ~~coaching and reinforcing~~ the ~~often formulaic~~, ~~culturally-determined expression~~ of ~~sexual victimhood~~ in ~~children and young women is unparalleled, even in any other field of victimology~~.		<blockquote>''a huge constituency with an overwhelming interest in keeping these issues at the center of public concern''<ref>[https://books.google.com/books?id=g_wT9QQgu1IC&q=Etan+Patz+nambla&pg=PA158 Jenkins, Philip (2004). Moral Panic: Changing Concepts of the Child Molester in Modern America. Yale University Press. p. 233. ISBN 978-0-300-10963-4. Retrieved 2010-09-02.] see full text [https://en.ua1lib.org/book/13428246/825aac here].</ref></blockquote>

	~~That there is no intrinsic harm in voluntary genital touching activity is~~ of ~~no concern for~~ the ~~profiteers~~ who ~~take advantage~~ of ~~persons already at risk from society's victim-labeling mores to pursue their own ideological ends~~. ~~The result~~ is ~~an army of~~ professional victims ~~who unknowingly~~ perpetuate ~~authoritarian abuse propaganda by means of demonstration~~.		While this can be said of the [[Debate Guide: Child abuse industry\|child abuse industry]], it also applies to those (its clients, i.e. "[[survivor]]s") who have been indoctrinated by it, often during times of psychological vulnerability and internal moral conflict, and sometimes even under [[Repressed memory\|coercive conditions]]. Of course, it is incredibly hard to challenge "professional victims" when they speak out, as their experiences are loaded with an assumed dignity that is not afforded to those whose [[Accounts and Testimonies\|experiences are contrary to the narrative]]. [[Debate Guide: If we could only save one child\|Negative utilitarianism]] and [[Wikipedia:Slut-shaming\|slut shaming]] most certainly help perpetuate this double standard.

	~~With such a high degree of uniformity and well-taught although mislead dignity in the reactions of "sexual vicims", it~~ is of no ~~surprise that the causative fallacy which the~~ child abuse ~~industry and many~~ of ~~its victims buy into is nowadays virtually unchallengable in medical~~ and ~~therapeutic situations~~.		It is important that we point out that no one has a monopoly on child abuse discourse. Experiences may vary, depending on the levels of coercive control and social shame. See [[Debate Guide: "As a parent" or "as a survivor"\|"as a parent" or "as a survivor"]] for more instruction on this matter.

			==References==

	[[Category:Debate]][[Category:Debating Points: Sociological]][[Category:Debating Points: Child/Minor]]		[[Category:Debate]][[Category:Debating Points: Sociological]][[Category:Debating Points: Child/Minor]]

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	With such a high degree of uniformity and well-taught although mislead dignity in the reactions of "sexual vicims", it is of no surprise that the causative fallacy which the child abuse industry and many of its victims buy into is nowadays virtually unchallengable in medical and therapeutic situations.		With such a high degree of uniformity and well-taught although mislead dignity in the reactions of "sexual vicims", it is of no surprise that the causative fallacy which the child abuse industry and many of its victims buy into is nowadays virtually unchallengable in medical and therapeutic situations.

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Rez: The Professional Victim moved to Debate Guide: The Professional Victim

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Daniel: right my wrong

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right my wrong

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	Whilst true victimhood is emergent, child sexual victimhood often makes a mockery of and undermines intrinsically harmful acts, including violent rape, that may cause long-term trauma.		Whilst true victimhood is emergent, child sexual victimhood often makes a mockery of and undermines intrinsically harmful acts, including violent rape, that may cause long-term trauma without the need for social conditioning and shame.

	The number of real-life and online organisations and levels of authority now involved in coaching and reinforcing the often formulaic, culturally-determined expression of sexual victimhood in children and young women is unparalleled, even in any other field of victimology.		The number of real-life and online organisations and levels of authority now involved in coaching and reinforcing the often formulaic, culturally-determined expression of sexual victimhood in children and young women is unparalleled, even in any other field of victimology.

Daniel at 21:56, 21 April 2008

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	That there is no intrinsic harm in voluntary genital touching activity is of no concern for the profiteers who take advantage of persons already at risk from society's victim-labeling mores to pursue their own ideological ends. The result is an army of professional victims who unknowingly perpetuate authoritarian abuse propaganda by means of demonstration.		That there is no intrinsic harm in voluntary genital touching activity is of no concern for the profiteers who take advantage of persons already at risk from society's victim-labeling mores to pursue their own ideological ends. The result is an army of professional victims who unknowingly perpetuate authoritarian abuse propaganda by means of demonstration.

	With such a high degree of uniformity and well-taught although mislead dignity in the reactions of "sexual vicims", it is of no surprise that the causative fallacy which the child abuse industry and many of its victims buy into is virtually unchallengable.		With such a high degree of uniformity and well-taught although mislead dignity in the reactions of "sexual vicims", it is of no surprise that the causative fallacy which the child abuse industry and many of its victims buy into is nowadays virtually unchallengable in medical and therapeutic situations.

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Whilst true victimhood is emergent, child sexual victimhood often makes a mockery of and undermines intrinsically harmful acts, including violent rape, that may cause long-term trauma.

The number of real-life and online organisations and levels of authority now involved in coaching and reinforcing the often formulaic, culturally-determined expression of sexual victimhood in children and young women is unparalleled, even in any other field of victimology.

That there is no intrinsic harm in voluntary genital touching activity is of no concern for the profiteers who take advantage of persons already at risk from society's victim-labeling mores to pursue their own ideological ends. The result is an army of professional victims who unknowingly perpetuate authoritarian abuse propaganda by means of demonstration.

With such a high degree of uniformity and well-taught although mislead dignity in the reactions of "sexual vicims", it is of no surprise that the causative fallacy which the child abuse industry and many of its victims buy into is virtually unchallengable.