Debate Guide: Turn of events - Revision history

Jim Burton: /* After reporting */

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After reporting

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	The process of extracting testimony and assimilating younger partners into the prosecution effort could even be described in terms of predator and prey, with the younger, disempowered party being in the most vulnerable position. In extreme cases, we hear of stories such as police officers threatening to "out" boys as gay or [[Billy Byars, Jr.\|hanging them over the side of a cliff]] to extract confessions. This somewhat contradicts the [[Victim Villain Hero\|"child saver"]] role made popular in folklore.		The process of extracting testimony and assimilating younger partners into the prosecution effort could even be described in terms of predator and prey, with the younger, disempowered party being in the most vulnerable position. In extreme cases, we hear of stories such as police officers threatening to "out" boys as gay or [[Billy Byars, Jr.\|hanging them over the side of a cliff]] to extract confessions. This somewhat contradicts the [[Victim Villain Hero\|"child saver"]] role made popular in folklore.

	Long term effects are equally ominous. Not only will the young person have to come to terms with the "evil and depraved" nature of what they took part in, the [[Anal wink\|probing hands of investigators]] and their permanent status as "victims" or "survivors", but the consequences for others around them. Often (and especially for boys in youth-youth relationships) [[Wikipedia:Iatrogenesis\|therapy]] will be literally [[Penile_Plethysmography\|forced upon them]].<ref>[https://scholarship.law.wm.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1480&context=wmjowl The Hard Truth About the Penile Plethysmograph: Gender Disparity and the Untenable Standard in the Fourth Circuit. Disparity and the Untenable Standard in the Fourth Circuit]</ref> One journal compiled by a firm of defense lawyers in the 1990s documented hypnosis, fabrication of charges and blatant [[List of conflicting statements by ~~victimologists《》cognitive~~ restructuring]] of "victims" who showed no typical symptoms until railroaded into [[Repressed memory\|therapy]].<ref>[http://ipt-forensics.com Institute for Psychological Therapies]</ref>		Long term effects are equally ominous. Not only will the young person have to come to terms with the "evil and depraved" nature of what they took part in, the [[Anal wink\|probing hands of investigators]] and their permanent status as "victims" or "survivors", but the consequences for others around them. Often (and especially for boys in youth-youth relationships) [[Wikipedia:Iatrogenesis\|therapy]] will be literally [[Penile_Plethysmography\|forced upon them]].<ref>[https://scholarship.law.wm.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1480&context=wmjowl The Hard Truth About the Penile Plethysmograph: Gender Disparity and the Untenable Standard in the Fourth Circuit. Disparity and the Untenable Standard in the Fourth Circuit]</ref> One journal compiled by a firm of defense lawyers in the 1990s documented hypnosis, fabrication of charges and blatant [[List of conflicting statements by victimologists\|cognitive restructuring]] of "victims" who showed no typical symptoms until railroaded into [[Repressed memory\|therapy]].<ref>[http://ipt-forensics.com Institute for Psychological Therapies]</ref>

	==See also==		==See also==

Jim Burton: /* After reporting */

2025-07-31T21:47:11Z

After reporting

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	The process of extracting testimony and assimilating younger partners into the prosecution effort could even be described in terms of predator and prey, with the younger, disempowered party being in the most vulnerable position. In extreme cases, we hear of stories such as police officers threatening to "out" boys as gay or [[Billy Byars, Jr.\|hanging them over the side of a cliff]] to extract confessions. This somewhat contradicts the [[Victim Villain Hero\|"child saver"]] role made popular in folklore.		The process of extracting testimony and assimilating younger partners into the prosecution effort could even be described in terms of predator and prey, with the younger, disempowered party being in the most vulnerable position. In extreme cases, we hear of stories such as police officers threatening to "out" boys as gay or [[Billy Byars, Jr.\|hanging them over the side of a cliff]] to extract confessions. This somewhat contradicts the [[Victim Villain Hero\|"child saver"]] role made popular in folklore.

	Long term effects are equally ominous. Not only will the young person have to come to terms with the "evil and depraved" nature of what they took part in, the [[Anal wink\|probing hands of investigators]] and their permanent status as "victims" or "survivors", but the consequences for others around them. Often (and especially for boys in youth-youth relationships) [[Wikipedia:Iatrogenesis\|therapy]] will be literally [[Penile_Plethysmography\|forced upon them]].<ref>[https://scholarship.law.wm.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1480&context=wmjowl The Hard Truth About the Penile Plethysmograph: Gender Disparity and the Untenable Standard in the Fourth Circuit. Disparity and the Untenable Standard in the Fourth Circuit]</ref> One journal compiled by a firm of defense lawyers in the 1990s documented hypnosis, fabrication of charges and blatant ~~cognitive~~ restructuring of "victims" who showed no typical symptoms until railroaded into [[Repressed memory\|therapy]].<ref>[http://ipt-forensics.com Institute for Psychological Therapies]</ref>		Long term effects are equally ominous. Not only will the young person have to come to terms with the "evil and depraved" nature of what they took part in, the [[Anal wink\|probing hands of investigators]] and their permanent status as "victims" or "survivors", but the consequences for others around them. Often (and especially for boys in youth-youth relationships) [[Wikipedia:Iatrogenesis\|therapy]] will be literally [[Penile_Plethysmography\|forced upon them]].<ref>[https://scholarship.law.wm.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1480&context=wmjowl The Hard Truth About the Penile Plethysmograph: Gender Disparity and the Untenable Standard in the Fourth Circuit. Disparity and the Untenable Standard in the Fourth Circuit]</ref> One journal compiled by a firm of defense lawyers in the 1990s documented hypnosis, fabrication of charges and blatant [[List of conflicting statements by victimologists《》cognitive restructuring]] of "victims" who showed no typical symptoms until railroaded into [[Repressed memory\|therapy]].<ref>[http://ipt-forensics.com Institute for Psychological Therapies]</ref>

	==See also==		==See also==

The Admins: /* During reporting */

2024-05-31T21:02:00Z

During reporting

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	*Personal history with age peers, and changing loyalties.		*Personal history with age peers, and changing loyalties.
	*Financial relations, or accuser incentives.		*Financial relations, or accuser incentives.
	*There are doubtless effects on any other youth who were also alleged to have been involved, with disclosure leading to a possible domino effect and "trawling" by law enforcement and legal professionals.		*There are doubtless effects on any other youth who were also alleged to have been involved, with disclosure leading to a possible domino effect and "trawling" by law enforcement and legal professionals. Each resulting layer is potentially implicated in drugs, delinquency and facilitation/perpetuation of abuse, so each will seek to portray themselves as victims lest they be stigmatized and embarrassed as willing or complicit partners.

	Younger partners may be acutely aware of these risk-factors after partial discovery, and thus, alter their behavior radically.		Younger partners may be acutely aware of these risk-factors after partial discovery, and thus, alter their behavior radically.

The Admins: /* During reporting */

2024-05-31T20:58:42Z

During reporting

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	===During reporting===		===During reporting===

	The smallest of cues may lead a youth to confess to their parents or police. This can be something as small as as being seen visiting the adult partner's house, or being "grassed up" or outed by a malicious age-peer. Often, drugs are found on a minor, and police pressurize them to locate and testify against a "source"; see [[Boston-Boise affair]] and Mitzel's book on that subject. It is worth noting that various factors may ramp up levels of suspicion:		The smallest of cues may lead a youth to confess to their parents or police. This can be something as small as as being seen visiting the adult partner's house, or being "grassed up" or outed by a malicious age-peer. Often, drugs are found on a minor, and police pressurize them to locate and testify against a "source" on condition of their own immunity; see [[Boston-Boise affair]] and Mitzel's book on that subject. It is worth noting that various factors may ramp up levels of suspicion:

	*Parents with violent, sociopathic tendencies, mental illness and/or drug problems.		*Parents with violent, sociopathic tendencies, mental illness and/or drug problems.

The Admins at 20:58, 31 May 2024

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	===During reporting===		===During reporting===

	The smallest of cues may lead a youth to confess to their parents. This can be something as small as as being seen visiting the adult partner's house, or being "grassed up" or outed by a malicious age-peer. It is worth noting that various factors may ramp up levels of suspicion:		The smallest of cues may lead a youth to confess to their parents or police. This can be something as small as as being seen visiting the adult partner's house, or being "grassed up" or outed by a malicious age-peer. Often, drugs are found on a minor, and police pressurize them to locate and testify against a "source"; see [[Boston-Boise affair]] and Mitzel's book on that subject. It is worth noting that various factors may ramp up levels of suspicion:

	*Parents with violent, sociopathic tendencies, mental illness and/or drug problems.		*Parents with violent, sociopathic tendencies, mental illness and/or drug problems.

The Admins at 14:12, 14 April 2024

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			[[File:Scold1.jpg\|thumb\|Discovery and disclosure is often a prolonged and complicated process, with personal and cultural factors modifying outcomes for the young person]]
	__NOTOC__The process of '''discovery, disclosure''' and the '''social inquisition/criminal investigation''' itself can significantly alter the thinking of younger participants. Naturally, it is these cases (where privacy has been breached, or a complaint made) that are most often heard about in the courts and in the media, thus influencing public opinion disproportionately.		__NOTOC__The process of '''discovery, disclosure''' and the '''social inquisition/criminal investigation''' itself can significantly alter the thinking of younger participants. Naturally, it is these cases (where privacy has been breached, or a complaint made) that are most often heard about in the courts and in the media, thus influencing public opinion disproportionately.

The Admins: /* After reporting */

2024-04-11T22:01:33Z

After reporting

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	*The youth will probably be barred from co-operating with the accused during the month to a year or longer between the initial charge and trial, and will in that time have began to regret the fact any such thing ever took place.		*The youth will probably be barred from co-operating with the accused during the month to a year or longer between the initial charge and trial, and will in that time have began to regret the fact any such thing ever took place.

	In the face of social [Wikipedia:Antisexualism\|antisexualism]], homophobia and victim-labeling, it is unlikely that a youth of average intellect would defend their adult partner. As [[anti]]s like to say about the relationships themselves, the minor will "have no choice" in the matter, and adults will "decide for them" what is required to get the ''desired outcome''.		In the face of social [[Wikipedia:Antisexualism\|antisexualism]], homophobia and victim-labeling, it is unlikely that a youth of average intellect would defend their adult partner. As [[anti]]s like to say about the relationships themselves, the minor will "have no choice" in the matter, and adults will "decide for them" what is required to get the ''desired outcome''.

	It may even be the case that a young person feels forced into alleging rape, lest they be seen as willing participants. Sometimes, the younger partner will even attest to illegal sexual relations with little knowledge of the implications, only to go back on these allegations after incriminating the adult and possibly other youth involved. At this point, it is often too late to recant.		It may even be the case that a young person feels forced into alleging rape, lest they be seen as willing participants. Sometimes, the younger partner will even attest to illegal sexual relations with little knowledge of the implications, only to go back on these allegations after incriminating the adult and possibly other youth involved. At this point, it is often too late to recant.

The Admins at 22:01, 11 April 2024

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	*The youth will probably be barred from co-operating with the accused during the month to a year or longer between the initial charge and trial, and will in that time have began to regret the fact any such thing ever took place.		*The youth will probably be barred from co-operating with the accused during the month to a year or longer between the initial charge and trial, and will in that time have began to regret the fact any such thing ever took place.

	In the face of social [~~[erotophobia~~\|antisexualism]], homophobia and victim-labeling, it is unlikely that a youth of average intellect would defend their adult partner. As [[anti]]s like to say about the relationships themselves, the minor will "have no choice" in the matter, and adults will "decide for them" what is required to get the ''desired outcome''.		In the face of social [Wikipedia:Antisexualism\|antisexualism]], homophobia and victim-labeling, it is unlikely that a youth of average intellect would defend their adult partner. As [[anti]]s like to say about the relationships themselves, the minor will "have no choice" in the matter, and adults will "decide for them" what is required to get the ''desired outcome''.

	It may even be the case that a young person feels forced into alleging rape, lest they be seen as willing participants. Sometimes, the younger partner will even attest to illegal sexual relations with little knowledge of the implications, only to go back on these allegations after incriminating the adult and possibly other youth involved. At this point, it is often too late to recant.		It may even be the case that a young person feels forced into alleging rape, lest they be seen as willing participants. Sometimes, the younger partner will even attest to illegal sexual relations with little knowledge of the implications, only to go back on these allegations after incriminating the adult and possibly other youth involved. At this point, it is often too late to recant.
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	The process of extracting testimony and assimilating younger partners into the prosecution effort could even be described in terms of predator and prey, with the younger, disempowered party being in the most vulnerable position. In extreme cases, we hear of stories such as police officers threatening to "out" boys as gay or [[Billy Byars, Jr.\|hanging them over the side of a cliff]] to extract confessions. This somewhat contradicts the [[Victim Villain Hero\|"child saver"]] role made popular in folklore.		The process of extracting testimony and assimilating younger partners into the prosecution effort could even be described in terms of predator and prey, with the younger, disempowered party being in the most vulnerable position. In extreme cases, we hear of stories such as police officers threatening to "out" boys as gay or [[Billy Byars, Jr.\|hanging them over the side of a cliff]] to extract confessions. This somewhat contradicts the [[Victim Villain Hero\|"child saver"]] role made popular in folklore.

	Long term effects are equally ominous. Not only will the young ~~adult~~ have to come to terms with the "evil and depraved" nature of what they took part in, the [[Anal wink\|probing hands of investigators]] and their permanent status as "victims" or "survivors", but the consequences for others around them. Often (and especially for boys in youth-youth relationships) [[Wikipedia:Iatrogenesis\|therapy]] will be literally [[Penile_Plethysmography\|forced upon them]].<ref>[https://scholarship.law.wm.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1480&context=wmjowl The Hard Truth About the Penile Plethysmograph: Gender Disparity and the Untenable Standard in the Fourth Circuit. Disparity and the Untenable Standard in the Fourth Circuit]</ref> One journal compiled by a firm of defense lawyers in the 1990s documented hypnosis, fabrication of charges and blatant cognitive restructuring of "victims" who showed no typical symptoms until railroaded into [[Repressed memory\|therapy]].<ref>[http://ipt-forensics.com Institute for Psychological Therapies]</ref>		Long term effects are equally ominous. Not only will the young person have to come to terms with the "evil and depraved" nature of what they took part in, the [[Anal wink\|probing hands of investigators]] and their permanent status as "victims" or "survivors", but the consequences for others around them. Often (and especially for boys in youth-youth relationships) [[Wikipedia:Iatrogenesis\|therapy]] will be literally [[Penile_Plethysmography\|forced upon them]].<ref>[https://scholarship.law.wm.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1480&context=wmjowl The Hard Truth About the Penile Plethysmograph: Gender Disparity and the Untenable Standard in the Fourth Circuit. Disparity and the Untenable Standard in the Fourth Circuit]</ref> One journal compiled by a firm of defense lawyers in the 1990s documented hypnosis, fabrication of charges and blatant cognitive restructuring of "victims" who showed no typical symptoms until railroaded into [[Repressed memory\|therapy]].<ref>[http://ipt-forensics.com Institute for Psychological Therapies]</ref>

	==See also==		==See also==

The Admins at 19:19, 7 April 2024

2024-04-07T19:19:31Z

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	The process of extracting testimony and assimilating younger partners into the prosecution effort could even be described in terms of predator and prey, with the younger, disempowered party being in the most vulnerable position. In extreme cases, we hear of stories such as police officers threatening to "out" boys as gay or [[Billy Byars, Jr.\|hanging them over the side of a cliff]] to extract confessions. This somewhat contradicts the [[Victim Villain Hero\|"child saver"]] role made popular in folklore.		The process of extracting testimony and assimilating younger partners into the prosecution effort could even be described in terms of predator and prey, with the younger, disempowered party being in the most vulnerable position. In extreme cases, we hear of stories such as police officers threatening to "out" boys as gay or [[Billy Byars, Jr.\|hanging them over the side of a cliff]] to extract confessions. This somewhat contradicts the [[Victim Villain Hero\|"child saver"]] role made popular in folklore.

	Long term effects are equally ominous. Not only will the young adult have to come to terms with the "evil and depraved" nature of what they took part in, the [[Anal ~~Wink~~\|probing hands of investigators]] and their permanent status as "victims" or "survivors", but the consequences for others around them. Often (and especially for boys in youth-youth relationships) [[Wikipedia:Iatrogenesis\|therapy]] will be literally [[Penile_Plethysmography\|forced upon them]].<ref>[https://scholarship.law.wm.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1480&context=wmjowl The Hard Truth About the Penile Plethysmograph: Gender Disparity and the Untenable Standard in the Fourth Circuit. Disparity and the Untenable Standard in the Fourth Circuit]</ref> One journal compiled by a firm of defense lawyers in the 1990s documented hypnosis, fabrication of charges and blatant cognitive restructuring of "victims" who showed no typical symptoms until railroaded into [[Repressed memory\|therapy]].<ref>[http://ipt-forensics.com Institute for Psychological Therapies]</ref>		Long term effects are equally ominous. Not only will the young adult have to come to terms with the "evil and depraved" nature of what they took part in, the [[Anal wink\|probing hands of investigators]] and their permanent status as "victims" or "survivors", but the consequences for others around them. Often (and especially for boys in youth-youth relationships) [[Wikipedia:Iatrogenesis\|therapy]] will be literally [[Penile_Plethysmography\|forced upon them]].<ref>[https://scholarship.law.wm.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1480&context=wmjowl The Hard Truth About the Penile Plethysmograph: Gender Disparity and the Untenable Standard in the Fourth Circuit. Disparity and the Untenable Standard in the Fourth Circuit]</ref> One journal compiled by a firm of defense lawyers in the 1990s documented hypnosis, fabrication of charges and blatant cognitive restructuring of "victims" who showed no typical symptoms until railroaded into [[Repressed memory\|therapy]].<ref>[http://ipt-forensics.com Institute for Psychological Therapies]</ref>

	==See also==		==See also==

The Admins at 19:19, 7 April 2024

2024-04-07T19:19:13Z

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	The process of extracting testimony and assimilating younger partners into the prosecution effort could even be described in terms of predator and prey, with the younger, disempowered party being in the most vulnerable position. In extreme cases, we hear of stories such as police officers threatening to "out" boys as gay or [[Billy Byars, Jr.\|hanging them over the side of a cliff]] to extract confessions. This somewhat contradicts the [[Victim Villain Hero\|"child saver"]] role made popular in folklore.		The process of extracting testimony and assimilating younger partners into the prosecution effort could even be described in terms of predator and prey, with the younger, disempowered party being in the most vulnerable position. In extreme cases, we hear of stories such as police officers threatening to "out" boys as gay or [[Billy Byars, Jr.\|hanging them over the side of a cliff]] to extract confessions. This somewhat contradicts the [[Victim Villain Hero\|"child saver"]] role made popular in folklore.

	Long term effects are equally ominous. Not only will the young adult have to come to terms with the "evil and depraved" nature of what they took part in, their permanent status as "victims" or "survivors" ~~and~~ the consequences for others around them. Often (and especially for boys in youth-youth relationships) [[Wikipedia:Iatrogenesis\|therapy]] will be literally [[Penile_Plethysmography\|forced upon them]].<ref>[https://scholarship.law.wm.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1480&context=wmjowl The Hard Truth About the Penile Plethysmograph: Gender Disparity and the Untenable Standard in the Fourth Circuit. Disparity and the Untenable Standard in the Fourth Circuit]</ref> One journal compiled by a firm of defense lawyers in the 1990s documented hypnosis, fabrication of charges and blatant cognitive restructuring of "victims" who showed no typical symptoms until railroaded into [[~~Anal wink~~\|therapy]].<ref>[http://ipt-forensics.com Institute for Psychological Therapies]</ref>		Long term effects are equally ominous. Not only will the young adult have to come to terms with the "evil and depraved" nature of what they took part in, the [[Anal Wink\|probing hands of investigators]] and their permanent status as "victims" or "survivors", but the consequences for others around them. Often (and especially for boys in youth-youth relationships) [[Wikipedia:Iatrogenesis\|therapy]] will be literally [[Penile_Plethysmography\|forced upon them]].<ref>[https://scholarship.law.wm.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1480&context=wmjowl The Hard Truth About the Penile Plethysmograph: Gender Disparity and the Untenable Standard in the Fourth Circuit. Disparity and the Untenable Standard in the Fourth Circuit]</ref> One journal compiled by a firm of defense lawyers in the 1990s documented hypnosis, fabrication of charges and blatant cognitive restructuring of "victims" who showed no typical symptoms until railroaded into [[Repressed memory\|therapy]].<ref>[http://ipt-forensics.com Institute for Psychological Therapies]</ref>

	==See also==		==See also==