Erastoconservatism - Revision history

Jim Burton: /* Characteristics */

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Characteristics

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	:5. Tradition tends to serve ends that are anti-minority, and elitist. Attempts to appeal to tradition could backfire, when ideals are exposed as being incompatible with the diversity of human nature and expression.		:5. Tradition tends to serve ends that are anti-minority, and elitist. Attempts to appeal to tradition could backfire, when ideals are exposed as being incompatible with the diversity of human nature and expression.

	Burton characterized the perspectives of some erastocons as distorted - pointing to inaccurate claims about the [[Minor Attracted Person]] project/movement, and its acceptance among modern-day LGBTQ+ activists and big-name scholars of sexology. He compared these views to those of christian conservatives such as Scott Yenor, who argues that modern-day LGBTQ+ activism is radical, extreme, and accepting of MAPs.<ref>Jim Burton - [https://www.map-union.org/perspectives/pederasty-innate-capacity Mu: No, Pederasty is not the last seat on the "innate capacity" bus]</ref>		Burton characterized the perspectives of some erastocons as distorted - pointing to some of their inaccurate claims about the [[Minor Attracted Person]] project/movement, and its acceptance among modern-day LGBTQ+ activists and big-name scholars of sexology. He compared these views to those of christian conservatives such as Scott Yenor, who argues that modern-day LGBTQ+ activism is radical, extreme, and accepting of MAPs.<ref>Jim Burton - [https://www.map-union.org/perspectives/pederasty-innate-capacity Mu: No, Pederasty is not the last seat on the "innate capacity" bus]</ref>

	Supporters of classical pederasty have in turn replied to some of these criticisms,<ref>[https://boychat.org/messages/1650782.htm BC post by Bromios]</ref> stating that attempts to determine an essential character of nature and its things, have long been a project of human societies and later science. Studying history, in an attempt to establish these essential characteristics, they say, can have a liberatory capacity regardless of its strategic political merits, or the implications for modern egalitarian and civil-rights based discourse.		Supporters of classical pederasty have in turn replied to some of these criticisms,<ref>[https://boychat.org/messages/1650782.htm BC post by Bromios]</ref> stating that attempts to determine an essential character of nature and its things, have long been a project of human societies and later science. Studying history, in an attempt to establish these essential characteristics, they say, can have a liberatory capacity regardless of its strategic political merits, or the implications for modern egalitarian and civil-rights based discourse.

Jim Burton at 05:52, 3 February 2026

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	In response to these arguments (and in no corresponding order), critics make a number of counter-points:		In response to these arguments (and in no corresponding order), critics make a number of counter-points:

	:1. It is an [[Wikipedia:Essentialism\|essentialist]], ageist, foundationally [[masculism\|masculinist]]<ref>[https://boychat.org/messages/1650197.htm BC ~~Post By~~ kit - Why I Am Not a Pederast]</ref> project that attempts to play "truth games" by drawing lines (e.g. "innate capacity") deliberately behind the heels of pederasts.		:1. It is an [[Wikipedia:Essentialism\|essentialist]], ageist, foundationally [[masculism\|masculinist]]<ref>[https://boychat.org/messages/1650197.htm BC post by kit - Why I Am Not a Pederast]</ref> project that attempts to play "truth games" by drawing lines (e.g. "innate capacity") deliberately behind the heels of pederasts.

	:2. All forms of sexual deviancy are civil-libertarian issues, and should be allied together rather than romanticized within [[assimilationism\|assimilationist]] strategies.		:2. All forms of sexual deviancy are civil-libertarian issues, and should be allied together rather than romanticized within [[assimilationism\|assimilationist]] strategies.

Jim Burton: /* Characteristics */

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Characteristics

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	''3. [[Minor Attracted Person\|MAP-related]] approaches are placationist, or play up to identity politics. Strategically, they are bound to fail.''		''3. [[Minor Attracted Person\|MAP-related]] approaches are placationist, or play up to identity politics. Strategically, they are bound to fail.''

	''4. In a society that liberated [[Adult Attracted Minor\|AAMs]] and MAPs, pederasty would exist in a bastardized, undesirable form.''<ref>[https://boychat.org/messages/1650778.htm BC post by Jim Burton, under pseudonym]</ref>		''4. In a society that liberated [[Adult Attracted Minor\|AAMs]] and MAPs, pederasty would exist in a bastardized, undesirable form.'' [as seen by the erastocon]<ref>[https://boychat.org/messages/1650778.htm BC post by Jim Burton, under pseudonym]</ref>
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Jim Burton at 21:13, 31 January 2026

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	While [[List of MAP-related magazines\|examples]] from previous decades usually take the form of obscure journals (''[[Wikipedia:Der Eigene\|Der Eigene]], [[International Journal of Greek Love]], Kalos, Unbound''), or books by the likes of [[A Problem in Greek Ethics\|John Addington-Symonds]] and [[Walter Breen]], modern attempts have followed a period of renewed interest in the study of classical (Greek, Roman), renaissance and modern pederasty in the 1990s. The most heavily publicized organization attempting to promote and restore mentor pederasty since this era, has been the late [[David Riegel]]'s '''SafeHaven Foundation''', although Riegel himself remains a controversial figure, along with his ideas. Presently, there is varied debate over the merits of promoting classical pederasty on the long-running bulletin board, [[BoyChat]].<ref>Many examples of this exist. For example, in 2026, [https://boychat.org/messages/1650169.htm], [https://boychat.org/messages/1650602.htm], [https://boychat.org/messages/1650685.htm], [https://boychat.org/messages/1650823.htm].</ref> This debate is not currently seen in most parts of the [[Minor attracted community]], where there is both a lack of knowledge with regards to man-boy sexual relations and their history, and a general distrust towards tradition and essentialist arguments.		While [[List of MAP-related magazines\|examples]] from previous decades usually take the form of obscure journals (''[[Wikipedia:Der Eigene\|Der Eigene]], [[International Journal of Greek Love]], Kalos, Unbound''), or books by the likes of [[A Problem in Greek Ethics\|John Addington-Symonds]] and [[Walter Breen]], modern attempts have followed a period of renewed interest in the study of classical (Greek, Roman), renaissance and modern pederasty in the 1990s. The most heavily publicized organization attempting to promote and restore mentor pederasty since this era, has been the late [[David Riegel]]'s '''SafeHaven Foundation''', although Riegel himself remains a controversial figure, along with his ideas. Presently, there is varied debate over the merits of promoting classical pederasty on the long-running bulletin board, [[BoyChat]].<ref>Many examples of this exist. For example, in 2026, [https://boychat.org/messages/1650169.htm], [https://boychat.org/messages/1650602.htm], [https://boychat.org/messages/1650685.htm], [https://boychat.org/messages/1650823.htm].</ref> This debate is not currently seen in most parts of the [[Minor attracted community]], where there is both a lack of knowledge with regards to man-boy sexual relations and their history, and a general distrust towards tradition and essentialist arguments.

	The [[NAMBLA]] has largely steered away from ~~erastoconservative~~ arguments ([[David Thorstad]] and [[Tom Reeves]] were both radical leftists).		The [[NAMBLA]] has largely steered away from erastocon arguments ([[David Thorstad]] and [[Tom Reeves]] were both radical leftists).

	==Characteristics==		==Characteristics==
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	:5. Tradition tends to serve ends that are anti-minority, and elitist. Attempts to appeal to tradition could backfire, when ideals are exposed as being incompatible with the diversity of human nature and expression.		:5. Tradition tends to serve ends that are anti-minority, and elitist. Attempts to appeal to tradition could backfire, when ideals are exposed as being incompatible with the diversity of human nature and expression.

	Burton characterized the perspectives of some ~~erastoconservatives~~ as distorted - pointing to inaccurate claims about the [[Minor Attracted Person]] project/movement, and its acceptance among modern-day LGBTQ+ activists and big-name scholars of sexology. He compared these views to those of christian conservatives such as Scott Yenor, who argues that modern-day LGBTQ+ activism is radical, extreme, and accepting of MAPs.<ref>Jim Burton - [https://www.map-union.org/perspectives/pederasty-innate-capacity Mu: No, Pederasty is not the last seat on the "innate capacity" bus]</ref>		Burton characterized the perspectives of some erastocons as distorted - pointing to inaccurate claims about the [[Minor Attracted Person]] project/movement, and its acceptance among modern-day LGBTQ+ activists and big-name scholars of sexology. He compared these views to those of christian conservatives such as Scott Yenor, who argues that modern-day LGBTQ+ activism is radical, extreme, and accepting of MAPs.<ref>Jim Burton - [https://www.map-union.org/perspectives/pederasty-innate-capacity Mu: No, Pederasty is not the last seat on the "innate capacity" bus]</ref>

	Supporters of classical pederasty have in turn replied to some of these criticisms,<ref>[https://boychat.org/messages/1650782.htm BC post by Bromios]</ref> stating that attempts to determine an essential character of nature and its things, have long been a project of human societies and later science. Studying history, in an attempt to establish these essential characteristics, they say, can have a liberatory capacity regardless of its strategic political merits, or the implications for modern egalitarian and civil-rights based discourse.		Supporters of classical pederasty have in turn replied to some of these criticisms,<ref>[https://boychat.org/messages/1650782.htm BC post by Bromios]</ref> stating that attempts to determine an essential character of nature and its things, have long been a project of human societies and later science. Studying history, in an attempt to establish these essential characteristics, they say, can have a liberatory capacity regardless of its strategic political merits, or the implications for modern egalitarian and civil-rights based discourse.
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	==See also==		==See also==

	*[[Greek Love Through The Ages]] - A well-known website that collects literature on exclusively man-boy relations, describing them broadly as either "greek love", "boylove", or "pederastic". Front-run on the index are some claims commonly made by ~~erastoconservatives~~, including the famous but disputed claim that at least two thirds of all males in Renaissance Florence were incriminated in sodomy, which there meant consummated man-boy love.		*[[Greek Love Through The Ages]] - A well-known website that collects literature on exclusively man-boy relations, describing them broadly as either "greek love", "boylove", or "pederastic". Front-run on the index are some claims commonly made by erastocons, including the famous but disputed claim that at least two thirds of all males in Renaissance Florence were incriminated in sodomy, which there meant consummated man-boy love.

	==References==		==References==

	[[Category:Official Encyclopedia]][[Category:Gay]][[Category:Cyber Activism]][[Category:Logic]][[Category:Debate]][[Category:Debating Points: Minor-Attracted]][[Category:Debating Points: Adult-Minor sex]][[Category:Terminology: MAP]]		[[Category:Official Encyclopedia]][[Category:Gay]][[Category:Cyber Activism]][[Category:Logic]][[Category:Debate]][[Category:Debating Points: Minor-Attracted]][[Category:Debating Points: Adult-Minor sex]][[Category:Terminology: MAP]]

Jim Burton: /* History */

2026-01-31T01:57:53Z

History

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	==History==		==History==

	While [[List of MAP-related magazines\|examples]] from previous decades usually take the form of obscure journals (''[[Wikipedia:Der Eigene\|Der Eigene]], [[International Journal of Greek Love]], Kalos, Unbound''), or books by the likes of [[A Problem in Greek Ethics\|John Addington-Symonds]] and [[Walter Breen]], modern attempts have followed a period of renewed interest in the study of classical (Greek, Roman), renaissance and modern pederasty in the 1990s. The most heavily publicized organization attempting to promote and restore mentor pederasty since this era, has been the late [[David Riegel]]'s '''SafeHaven Foundation''', although Riegel himself remains a controversial figure, along with his ideas. Presently, there is varied debate over the merits of promoting classical pederasty on the long-running bulletin board, [[BoyChat]].<ref>Many examples of this exist. For example, in 2026, [https://boychat.org/messages/1650169.htm], [https://boychat.org/messages/1650602.htm], [https://boychat.org/messages/1650685.htm], [https://boychat.org/messages/1650823.htm].</ref> This debate is not currently seen in most parts of the [[Minor attracted community]].		While [[List of MAP-related magazines\|examples]] from previous decades usually take the form of obscure journals (''[[Wikipedia:Der Eigene\|Der Eigene]], [[International Journal of Greek Love]], Kalos, Unbound''), or books by the likes of [[A Problem in Greek Ethics\|John Addington-Symonds]] and [[Walter Breen]], modern attempts have followed a period of renewed interest in the study of classical (Greek, Roman), renaissance and modern pederasty in the 1990s. The most heavily publicized organization attempting to promote and restore mentor pederasty since this era, has been the late [[David Riegel]]'s '''SafeHaven Foundation''', although Riegel himself remains a controversial figure, along with his ideas. Presently, there is varied debate over the merits of promoting classical pederasty on the long-running bulletin board, [[BoyChat]].<ref>Many examples of this exist. For example, in 2026, [https://boychat.org/messages/1650169.htm], [https://boychat.org/messages/1650602.htm], [https://boychat.org/messages/1650685.htm], [https://boychat.org/messages/1650823.htm].</ref> This debate is not currently seen in most parts of the [[Minor attracted community]], where there is both a lack of knowledge with regards to man-boy sexual relations and their history, and a general distrust towards tradition and essentialist arguments.

	The [[NAMBLA]] has largely steered away from erastoconservative arguments ([[David Thorstad]] and [[Tom Reeves]] were both radical leftists).		The [[NAMBLA]] has largely steered away from erastoconservative arguments ([[David Thorstad]] and [[Tom Reeves]] were both radical leftists).

Jim Burton: /* Counter-arguments and debate */

2026-01-31T01:53:05Z

Counter-arguments and debate

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	Burton characterized the perspectives of some erastoconservatives as distorted - pointing to inaccurate claims about the [[Minor Attracted Person]] project/movement, and its acceptance among modern-day LGBTQ+ activists and big-name scholars of sexology. He compared these views to those of christian conservatives such as Scott Yenor, who argues that modern-day LGBTQ+ activism is radical, extreme, and accepting of MAPs.<ref>Jim Burton - [https://www.map-union.org/perspectives/pederasty-innate-capacity Mu: No, Pederasty is not the last seat on the "innate capacity" bus]</ref>		Burton characterized the perspectives of some erastoconservatives as distorted - pointing to inaccurate claims about the [[Minor Attracted Person]] project/movement, and its acceptance among modern-day LGBTQ+ activists and big-name scholars of sexology. He compared these views to those of christian conservatives such as Scott Yenor, who argues that modern-day LGBTQ+ activism is radical, extreme, and accepting of MAPs.<ref>Jim Burton - [https://www.map-union.org/perspectives/pederasty-innate-capacity Mu: No, Pederasty is not the last seat on the "innate capacity" bus]</ref>

	Supporters of classical pederasty have in turn replied to some of these criticisms,<ref>[https://boychat.org/messages/1650782.htm BC post by Bromios]</ref> stating that attempts to determine an essential character of nature and its things, have long been a project of human societies and later science. Studying history, in an attempt to establish these essential characteristics, can have a liberatory capacity regardless of its strategic political merits.		Supporters of classical pederasty have in turn replied to some of these criticisms,<ref>[https://boychat.org/messages/1650782.htm BC post by Bromios]</ref> stating that attempts to determine an essential character of nature and its things, have long been a project of human societies and later science. Studying history, in an attempt to establish these essential characteristics, they say, can have a liberatory capacity regardless of its strategic political merits, or the implications for modern egalitarian and civil-rights based discourse.

	==See also==		==See also==

Jim Burton: /* Counter-arguments and debate */

2026-01-31T01:51:27Z

Counter-arguments and debate

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	Burton characterized the perspectives of some erastoconservatives as distorted - pointing to inaccurate claims about the [[Minor Attracted Person]] project/movement, and its acceptance among modern-day LGBTQ+ activists and big-name scholars of sexology. He compared these views to those of christian conservatives such as Scott Yenor, who argues that modern-day LGBTQ+ activism is radical, extreme, and accepting of MAPs.<ref>Jim Burton - [https://www.map-union.org/perspectives/pederasty-innate-capacity Mu: No, Pederasty is not the last seat on the "innate capacity" bus]</ref>		Burton characterized the perspectives of some erastoconservatives as distorted - pointing to inaccurate claims about the [[Minor Attracted Person]] project/movement, and its acceptance among modern-day LGBTQ+ activists and big-name scholars of sexology. He compared these views to those of christian conservatives such as Scott Yenor, who argues that modern-day LGBTQ+ activism is radical, extreme, and accepting of MAPs.<ref>Jim Burton - [https://www.map-union.org/perspectives/pederasty-innate-capacity Mu: No, Pederasty is not the last seat on the "innate capacity" bus]</ref>

	Supporters of classical pederasty have in turn replied to some of these criticisms,<ref>[https://boychat.org/messages/1650782.htm BC post by Bromios]</ref> stating that attempts to determine essential character of nature and its things, have long been a project of human societies and later science. Studying history, in an attempt to establish these essential characteristics, can have a liberatory capacity regardless of its strategic political merits.		Supporters of classical pederasty have in turn replied to some of these criticisms,<ref>[https://boychat.org/messages/1650782.htm BC post by Bromios]</ref> stating that attempts to determine an essential character of nature and its things, have long been a project of human societies and later science. Studying history, in an attempt to establish these essential characteristics, can have a liberatory capacity regardless of its strategic political merits.

	==See also==		==See also==

Jim Burton at 01:44, 31 January 2026

2026-01-31T01:44:52Z

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	==History==		==History==

	While [[List of MAP-related magazines\|examples]] from previous decades usually take the form of obscure journals (''[[Wikipedia:Der Eigene\|Der Eigene]], [[International Journal of Greek Love]], Kalos, Unbound''), or books by the likes of [[A Problem in Greek Ethics\|John Addington-Symonds]] and [[Walter Breen]], modern attempts have followed a period of renewed interest in the study of classical (Greek, Roman) and modern pederasty in the 1990s. The most heavily publicized organization attempting to promote and restore mentor pederasty since this era, has been the late [[David Riegel]]'s '''SafeHaven Foundation''', although Riegel himself remains a controversial figure, along with his ideas. Presently, there is varied debate over the merits of promoting classical pederasty on the long-running bulletin board, [[BoyChat]].<ref>Many examples of this exist. For example, in 2026, [https://boychat.org/messages/1650169.htm], [https://boychat.org/messages/1650602.htm], [https://boychat.org/messages/1650685.htm], [https://boychat.org/messages/1650823.htm].</ref> This debate is not currently seen in most parts of the [[Minor attracted community]].		While [[List of MAP-related magazines\|examples]] from previous decades usually take the form of obscure journals (''[[Wikipedia:Der Eigene\|Der Eigene]], [[International Journal of Greek Love]], Kalos, Unbound''), or books by the likes of [[A Problem in Greek Ethics\|John Addington-Symonds]] and [[Walter Breen]], modern attempts have followed a period of renewed interest in the study of classical (Greek, Roman), renaissance and modern pederasty in the 1990s. The most heavily publicized organization attempting to promote and restore mentor pederasty since this era, has been the late [[David Riegel]]'s '''SafeHaven Foundation''', although Riegel himself remains a controversial figure, along with his ideas. Presently, there is varied debate over the merits of promoting classical pederasty on the long-running bulletin board, [[BoyChat]].<ref>Many examples of this exist. For example, in 2026, [https://boychat.org/messages/1650169.htm], [https://boychat.org/messages/1650602.htm], [https://boychat.org/messages/1650685.htm], [https://boychat.org/messages/1650823.htm].</ref> This debate is not currently seen in most parts of the [[Minor attracted community]].

	The [[NAMBLA]] has largely steered away from erastoconservative arguments ([[David Thorstad]] and [[Tom Reeves]] were both radical leftists).		The [[NAMBLA]] has largely steered away from erastoconservative arguments ([[David Thorstad]] and [[Tom Reeves]] were both radical leftists).

Jim Burton: /* See also */

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Jim Burton at 01:42, 31 January 2026

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	[[File:Anacreon relief.jpg\|thumb\|Relief of Greek Poet, [[Wikipedia:Anacreon\|Anacreon]]]]		[[File:Anacreon relief.jpg\|thumb\|Relief of Greek Poet, [[Wikipedia:Anacreon\|Anacreon]]]]
	__NOTOC__'''Erastoconservatism''' refers to any modern/post-industrial movement that attempts to promote, or even restore what it sees as classical [[Pederasty\|pederastic]] ideals and traditions, usually those associated with mentorship (mentor pederasty).		__NOTOC__'''Erastoconservatism''' refers to any modern/post-industrial movement that attempts to promote, or even restore what it sees as classical [[Pederasty\|pederastic]] ideals and traditions, usually those associated with mentorship (mentor pederasty).

			==History==

	While [[List of MAP-related magazines\|examples]] from previous decades usually take the form of obscure journals (''[[Wikipedia:Der Eigene\|Der Eigene]], [[International Journal of Greek Love]], Kalos, Unbound''), or books by the likes of [[A Problem in Greek Ethics\|John Addington-Symonds]] and [[Walter Breen]], modern attempts have followed a period of renewed interest in the study of classical (Greek, Roman) and modern pederasty in the 1990s. The most heavily publicized organization attempting to promote and restore mentor pederasty since this era, has been the late [[David Riegel]]'s '''SafeHaven Foundation''', although Riegel himself remains a controversial figure, along with his ideas. Presently, there is varied debate over the merits of promoting classical pederasty on the long-running bulletin board, [[BoyChat]].<ref>Many examples of this exist. For example, in 2026, [https://boychat.org/messages/1650169.htm], [https://boychat.org/messages/1650602.htm], [https://boychat.org/messages/1650685.htm], [https://boychat.org/messages/1650823.htm].</ref> This debate is not currently seen in most parts of the [[Minor attracted community]].		While [[List of MAP-related magazines\|examples]] from previous decades usually take the form of obscure journals (''[[Wikipedia:Der Eigene\|Der Eigene]], [[International Journal of Greek Love]], Kalos, Unbound''), or books by the likes of [[A Problem in Greek Ethics\|John Addington-Symonds]] and [[Walter Breen]], modern attempts have followed a period of renewed interest in the study of classical (Greek, Roman) and modern pederasty in the 1990s. The most heavily publicized organization attempting to promote and restore mentor pederasty since this era, has been the late [[David Riegel]]'s '''SafeHaven Foundation''', although Riegel himself remains a controversial figure, along with his ideas. Presently, there is varied debate over the merits of promoting classical pederasty on the long-running bulletin board, [[BoyChat]].<ref>Many examples of this exist. For example, in 2026, [https://boychat.org/messages/1650169.htm], [https://boychat.org/messages/1650602.htm], [https://boychat.org/messages/1650685.htm], [https://boychat.org/messages/1650823.htm].</ref> This debate is not currently seen in most parts of the [[Minor attracted community]].

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	[[File:Anacreon relief.jpg\|thumb\|Relief of Greek Poet, [[Wikipedia:Anacreon\|Anacreon]]]]		[[File:Anacreon relief.jpg\|thumb\|Relief of Greek Poet, [[Wikipedia:Anacreon\|Anacreon]]]]
	__NOTOC__'''Erastoconservatism''' refers to any modern/post-industrial movement that attempts to promote, or even restore what it sees as classical [[Pederasty\|pederastic]] ideals and traditions, usually those associated with mentorship (mentor pederasty).		__NOTOC__'''Erastoconservatism''' refers to any modern/post-industrial movement that attempts to promote, or even restore what it sees as classical [[Pederasty\|pederastic]] ideals and traditions, usually those associated with mentorship (mentor pederasty).

			==History==

	While [[List of MAP-related magazines\|examples]] from previous decades usually take the form of obscure journals (''[[Wikipedia:Der Eigene\|Der Eigene]], [[International Journal of Greek Love]], Kalos, Unbound''), or books by the likes of [[A Problem in Greek Ethics\|John Addington-Symonds]] and [[Walter Breen]], modern attempts have followed a period of renewed interest in the study of classical (Greek, Roman) and modern pederasty in the 1990s. The most heavily publicized organization attempting to promote and restore mentor pederasty since this era, has been the late [[David Riegel]]'s '''SafeHaven Foundation''', although Riegel himself remains a controversial figure, along with his ideas. Presently, there is varied debate over the merits of promoting classical pederasty on the long-running bulletin board, [[BoyChat]].<ref>Many examples of this exist. For example, in 2026, [https://boychat.org/messages/1650169.htm], [https://boychat.org/messages/1650602.htm], [https://boychat.org/messages/1650685.htm], [https://boychat.org/messages/1650823.htm].</ref> This debate is not currently seen in most parts of the [[Minor attracted community]].		While [[List of MAP-related magazines\|examples]] from previous decades usually take the form of obscure journals (''[[Wikipedia:Der Eigene\|Der Eigene]], [[International Journal of Greek Love]], Kalos, Unbound''), or books by the likes of [[A Problem in Greek Ethics\|John Addington-Symonds]] and [[Walter Breen]], modern attempts have followed a period of renewed interest in the study of classical (Greek, Roman) and modern pederasty in the 1990s. The most heavily publicized organization attempting to promote and restore mentor pederasty since this era, has been the late [[David Riegel]]'s '''SafeHaven Foundation''', although Riegel himself remains a controversial figure, along with his ideas. Presently, there is varied debate over the merits of promoting classical pederasty on the long-running bulletin board, [[BoyChat]].<ref>Many examples of this exist. For example, in 2026, [https://boychat.org/messages/1650169.htm], [https://boychat.org/messages/1650602.htm], [https://boychat.org/messages/1650685.htm], [https://boychat.org/messages/1650823.htm].</ref> This debate is not currently seen in most parts of the [[Minor attracted community]].

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	==See also==		==See also==

	*[[Greek Love Through The Ages]] - A well-known website that collects literature on exclusively man-boy relations, describing them broadly as either "greek love", "boylove", or "pederastic". Front-run on the index are some claims commonly made by erastoconservatives, including the famous but disputed claim that at least two thirds of all males were incriminated in sodomy, which there meant consummated man-boy love.		*[[Greek Love Through The Ages]] - A well-known website that collects literature on exclusively man-boy relations, describing them broadly as either "greek love", "boylove", or "pederastic". Front-run on the index are some claims commonly made by erastoconservatives, including the famous but disputed claim that at least two thirds of all males in Renaissance Florence were incriminated in sodomy, which there meant consummated man-boy love.

	==References==		==References==

	[[Category:Official Encyclopedia]][[Category:Gay]][[Category:Cyber Activism]][[Category:Logic]][[Category:Debate]][[Category:Debating Points: Minor-Attracted]][[Category:Debating Points: Adult-Minor sex]][[Category:Terminology: MAP]]		[[Category:Official Encyclopedia]][[Category:Gay]][[Category:Cyber Activism]][[Category:Logic]][[Category:Debate]][[Category:Debating Points: Minor-Attracted]][[Category:Debating Points: Adult-Minor sex]][[Category:Terminology: MAP]]