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	30~~/10/23~~ ◆ '''Jim Burton'''		October 30, 2023 ◆ '''Jim Burton'''

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	With the association fallacy firmly in play, there has been a lot of debate recently within the [[Minor attracted community\|MAP Community]] about two controversial groups – namely [[Paraphilia\|Paraphiles]] (other people with supposedly “non-normative” sexual desires) and Fascists. This debate has been particularly visible among the younger MAPs on [[Pediverse\|Fediverse]] social sites.		With the association fallacy firmly in play, there has been a lot of debate recently within the [[Minor attracted community\|MAP Community]] about two controversial groups – namely [[Paraphilia\|Paraphiles]] (other people with supposedly “non-normative” sexual desires) and Fascists. This debate has been particularly visible among the younger MAPs on [[Pediverse\|Fediverse]] social sites.
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	Fediverse sites, for those unfamiliar, are a series of independent servers (i.e. websites) that selectively link up with and block other such servers, to create a unique (generally Twitter-like) social experience for their users. Touted as the future of social networking, this model intends to eliminate the risk of censorship by central authorities such as Elon Musk’s X (formerly ''Twitter'') and Mark Zuckerberg’s Facebook. Naturally, the Fediverse has attracted a variety of marginalised groups, from the zoophiles and paedophiles to anime/lolicon fans and people with multiple “alters”. Even self-identifying psychopaths, rape fetishists, race role-players and unhinged neo-Nazis have found a home on Fediverse, with fresh-faced young activists such as Greta Thunberg awkwardly adjacent.<ref>[https://ar.al/2022/11/09/is-the-fediverse-about-to-get-fryed-or-why-every-toot-is-also-a-potential-denial-of-service-attack/ Balkan (2022). ''Is the fediverse about to get Fryed? (Or, “Why every toot is also a potential denial of service attack”)'']</ref>		Fediverse sites, for those unfamiliar, are a series of independent servers (i.e. websites) that selectively link up with and block other such servers, to create a unique (generally Twitter-like) social experience for their users. Touted as the future of social networking, this model intends to eliminate the risk of censorship by central authorities such as Elon Musk’s X (formerly ''Twitter'') and Mark Zuckerberg’s Facebook. Naturally, the Fediverse has attracted a variety of marginalised groups, from the zoophiles and paedophiles to anime/lolicon fans and people with multiple “alters”. Even self-identifying psychopaths, rape fetishists, race role-players and unhinged neo-Nazis have found a home on Fediverse, with fresh-faced young activists such as Greta Thunberg awkwardly adjacent.<ref>[https://ar.al/2022/11/09/is-the-fediverse-about-to-get-fryed-or-why-every-toot-is-also-a-potential-denial-of-service-attack/ Balkan (2022). ''Is the fediverse about to get Fryed? (Or, “Why every toot is also a potential denial of service attack”)'']</ref>

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	If bad optics weren’t also a concern for MAPs engaged in real-world activism, the otherwise radical [[David Thorstad]] would not have felt compelled to complain about the ''[[NAMBLA]] Bulletin'' becoming a soft porn rag for paedophiles,<ref>Denizet-Lewis, B (2006). [https://www.bostonmagazine.com/2006/05/15/boy-crazy/ “Boy Crazy”]. ''Boston Magazine''.</ref> nor would [[Tom Reeves]] have had to stress the same organisation was fundamentally about teen boys rather than children.<ref>Naedele, W (1982). [https://www.newgon.net/wiki/File:Boy_Love_convention_is_protested_1982-10-11.png “Boy Love Convention Is Protested”]. ''Philadelphia Inquirer''. See also, e.g. [https://www.newgon.net/wiki/File:Tom_Reeves_-_The_Advocate_-_23_Aug_1994_-_03.jpg ''The Advocate''], 1994.</ref> [[Virtuous Pedophiles]], a now infamous organisation of the 10s, are the most recent example of Assimilationist MAPs appealing to social norms. While they are almost unanimously loathed by their own kind (arguably, this includes themselves), it still cannot be denied this strategy achieved considerable media exposure for many years.		If bad optics weren’t also a concern for MAPs engaged in real-world activism, the otherwise radical [[David Thorstad]] would not have felt compelled to complain about the ''[[NAMBLA]] Bulletin'' becoming a soft porn rag for paedophiles,<ref>Denizet-Lewis, B (2006). [https://www.bostonmagazine.com/2006/05/15/boy-crazy/ “Boy Crazy”]. ''Boston Magazine''.</ref> nor would [[Tom Reeves]] have had to stress the same organisation was fundamentally about teen boys rather than children.<ref>Naedele, W (1982). [https://www.newgon.net/wiki/File:Boy_Love_convention_is_protested_1982-10-11.png “Boy Love Convention Is Protested”]. ''Philadelphia Inquirer''. See also, e.g. [https://www.newgon.net/wiki/File:Tom_Reeves_-_The_Advocate_-_23_Aug_1994_-_03.jpg ''The Advocate''], 1994.</ref> [[Virtuous Pedophiles]], a now infamous organisation of the 10s, are the most recent example of Assimilationist MAPs appealing to social norms. While they are almost unanimously loathed by their own kind (arguably, this includes themselves), it still cannot be denied this strategy achieved considerable media exposure for many years.

	As proven by the recent [[pedophobia\|paedophobic]] attacks on Trans people, political adjacency is also a complex and tortured dynamic that may necessitate some degree of self-censorship. It might be the case that both a person who fetishizes rape, and a MAP are harmless, "law-abiding" people deserving of respect. But it can also be the case that if these two invalidated identities are associated to the point where they are seen as inextricable by wider society, social harms may come about for both. Therefore, it must be taken into account that peoples’ situation, perception thereof, and personal safety varies greatly. For example, some non-western societies that tolerate traditional heterosexual MAP relationships might not be so accepting of queer MAPs, and identifying as sympathetic to queer people might seriously endanger a persons' physical safety within such a context.		As proven by the recent [[pedophobia\|paedophobic]] attacks [[Wikipedia:LGBT grooming conspiracy theory\|on Trans people]], political adjacency is also a complex and tortured dynamic that may necessitate some degree of self-censorship. It might be the case that both a person who fetishizes rape, and a MAP are harmless, "law-abiding" people deserving of respect. But it can also be the case that if these two invalidated identities are associated to the point where they are seen as inextricable by wider society, social harms may come about for both. Therefore, it must be taken into account that peoples’ situation, perception thereof, and personal safety varies greatly. For example, some non-western societies that tolerate traditional heterosexual MAP relationships might not be so accepting of queer MAPs, and identifying as sympathetic to queer people might seriously endanger a persons' physical safety within such a context.

	Even discounting the cultural insensitivity of those who scold "assimilationism", it remains the case that any association of MAPs with other groups can not and should not be by ''compulsion''. Short-sighted attempts to [[Wikipedia:Purity spiral\|purity-spiral]] the MAP Movement will at best incapacitate it, and in the long-run, likely open the door for the worst kind of MAP assimilationists - those who like the "queers" before them, would openly distance [[pedophilia\|paedophiles]] to appease the UN. So, while it is true that "assimilationism" is an inevitable, even ''necessary'' tangent during those times when our topic is genuinely in play, Paraphilia activists jump the gun by using it as a criticism of participants in online debates who can only dream of the day when it becomes a serious option. Nevertheless, going forward - ''when, how and to whom'' assimilationist arguments are posited is a matter of concern.		Even discounting the cultural insensitivity of those who scold "assimilationism", it remains the case that any association of MAPs with other groups can not and should not be by ''compulsion''. Short-sighted attempts to [[Wikipedia:Purity spiral\|purity-spiral]] the MAP Movement will at best incapacitate it, and in the long-run, likely open the door for the worst kind of MAP assimilationists - those who like the "queers" before them, would openly distance [[pedophilia\|paedophiles]] to appease the UN. So, while it is true that "assimilationism" is an inevitable, even ''necessary'' tangent during those times when our topic is genuinely in play, Paraphilia activists jump the gun by using it as a criticism of participants in online debates who can only dream of the day when it becomes a serious option. Nevertheless, going forward - ''when, how and to whom'' assimilationist arguments are posited is a matter of concern.

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	====Paraphiles' scolding of "Assimilationism"====		====Paraphiles' scolding of "Assimilationism"====

	It is a common sight on Fediverse, for MAP-inclusive paraphilia activists to scold some MAPs as “assimilationists”, i.e. marginalized people who attempt to curry favor in society at large by appealing to social norms. A classic example of an assimilationist might be - say, an "acceptable" PG-rated Christian Homosexual such as the activist scholar, [[Wikipedia:John Boswell\|John Boswell]]. Present-day Paraphiles and Anarcho-Communist MAPs are instead using the term in a more inclusive and speculative fashion against MAPs, dismissing their valid concerns about associating with some of the more violently paraphilic inclinations. Any uneasiness about harmful stereotypes such associations ~~might reinforce are~~ dismissed out of hand, and the MAP labeled an "assimilationist".		It is a common sight on Fediverse, for MAP-inclusive paraphilia activists to scold some MAPs as “assimilationists”, i.e. marginalized people who attempt to curry favor in society at large by appealing to social norms. A classic example of an assimilationist might be - say, an "acceptable" PG-rated Christian Homosexual such as the activist scholar, [[Wikipedia:John Boswell\|John Boswell]]. Present-day Paraphiles and Anarcho-Communist MAPs are instead using the term in a more inclusive and speculative fashion against MAPs, dismissing their valid concerns about associating with some of the more violently paraphilic inclinations. Any uneasiness about harmful stereotypes reinforced by such associations, is dismissed out of hand and the MAP labeled an "assimilationist".

	To me, the "assimilationist" scold, when used in such a way is a premature, lazy and opportunistic attack that says more about the critic's need to project to others a "right on" ''optic'', than the somewhat more complex personal motivations of their target. It should also be added that assimilationism needn't be a dirty word. While there are doubtless strains of it that must be avoided (i.e. explicitly anti-paedophile rhetoric), there are others that might be advantageous if used in the right way, on the right audience - for example, normative historical arguments.		To me, the "assimilationist" scold, when used in such a way is a premature, lazy and opportunistic attack that says more about the critic's need to project to others a "right on" ''optic'', than the somewhat more complex personal motivations of their target. It should also be added that assimilationism needn't be a dirty word. While there are doubtless strains of it that must be avoided (i.e. explicitly anti-paedophile rhetoric), there are others that might be advantageous if used in the right way, on the right audience - for example, normative historical arguments.

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	*I do not ''personally'' agree with the tactic of copying verbatim the model of queer/trans identity politics seen from the 2010s onwards, at least in the case of MAPs. Our situation is one of ''extreme invalidation'', and theirs is one of ''seeking recognition'' and validation within an already assimilated identity group. Therefore, a multi-pronged strategy would be more appropriate in our case.		*I do not ''personally'' agree with the tactic of copying verbatim the model of queer/trans identity politics seen from the 2010s onwards, at least in the case of MAPs. Our situation is one of ''extreme invalidation'', and theirs is one of ''seeking recognition'' and validation within an already assimilated identity group. Therefore, a multi-pronged strategy would be more appropriate in our case.
	*I do not argue that MAPs are just one small part of a “Paraphilic” spectrum, comprising of perhaps over 500 diagnoses/identities. I’d rather see MAPs treated as a special case; far more numerous, and with a rich history unrivalled by other such groups. A “strong” identity here is key; we will not win by playing the victim forever, nor will we gain considerable ground by validating the outdated politics and imagery of victimhood and trauma that compounded our situation from the late 70s and 80s on.<ref name="Sonenschein" />		*I do not argue that MAPs are just one small part of a “Paraphilic” spectrum, comprising of perhaps over 500 diagnoses/identities. I’d rather see MAPs treated as a special case; far more numerous, and with a rich history unrivalled by other such groups. A “strong” identity here is key; we will not win by playing the victim forever, nor will we gain considerable ground by validating the outdated politics and imagery of victimhood and trauma that compounded our situation from the late 70s and 80s on.<ref name="Sonenschein" />
	*Finally, I don't argue that MAPs ought to stay “degenerate”; that liberation is an absolute “false ideal”, since it entails “assimilation” into a norm. This argument would be deemed absurd, if applied, e.g. to the ~~liberation~~ of youth or ethnic minorities.		*Finally, I don't argue that MAPs ought to stay “degenerate”; that liberation is an absolute “false ideal”, since it entails “assimilation” into a norm. This argument would be deemed absurd, if applied, e.g. to the situation of youth or ethnic minorities.

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Fascist and Paraphile MAPs: Harm vs Acceptability

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	Take the idea of allowing Fascist MAPs to speak, while suppressing the words of an unapologetically “psychopathic” MAP. The rebuke to this is of course that the Fascist has ''chosen'' their own path, while the person who finds him or herself attracted to the young and/or nonconsent/violence has little or no control over it. While I do see it as simplistic and glib to imbue political inclination with a dynamic free will not afforded to sexual inclination,<ref>Despite many attempts to locate (and politically mobilize) a "gay gene", it appears that genetics are unable to accurately predict homosexuality, since it is a complex phenomenon with social, cultural and behavioral components. See, e.g. ''[https://www.science.org/content/article/genetics-may-explain-25-same-sex-behavior-giant-analysis-reveals Genetics may explain up to 25% of same-sex behavior, giant analysis reveals]''. Political persuasion (including ''views on'' gay rights), has been correlated to ''some degree'' with genetics, much like homosexuality. E.g. [https://web.archive.org/web/20160324184420/http://www.matthewckeller.com/16.Hatemi.et.al.2010.Nuc.fam.ajps.pdf Hatemi, Peter K., et al. “Not by Twins Alone: Using the Extended Family Design to Investigate Genetic Influence on Political Beliefs.”] ''American Journal of Political Science'', vol. 54, no. 3, 2010, pp. 798–814. JSTOR, http://www.jstor.org/stable/27821953.</ref> this I find irrelevant to the debate at hand. For me, rather than naive ideals and ''theory'', the strategy and optics of the situation are far more important – realpolitik for MAPs, if you will.		Take the idea of allowing Fascist MAPs to speak, while suppressing the words of an unapologetically “psychopathic” MAP. The rebuke to this is of course that the Fascist has ''chosen'' their own path, while the person who finds him or herself attracted to the young and/or nonconsent/violence has little or no control over it. While I do see it as simplistic and glib to imbue political inclination with a dynamic free will not afforded to sexual inclination,<ref>Despite many attempts to locate (and politically mobilize) a "gay gene", it appears that genetics are unable to accurately predict homosexuality, since it is a complex phenomenon with social, cultural and behavioral components. See, e.g. ''[https://www.science.org/content/article/genetics-may-explain-25-same-sex-behavior-giant-analysis-reveals Genetics may explain up to 25% of same-sex behavior, giant analysis reveals]''. Political persuasion (including ''views on'' gay rights), has been correlated to ''some degree'' with genetics, much like homosexuality. E.g. [https://web.archive.org/web/20160324184420/http://www.matthewckeller.com/16.Hatemi.et.al.2010.Nuc.fam.ajps.pdf Hatemi, Peter K., et al. “Not by Twins Alone: Using the Extended Family Design to Investigate Genetic Influence on Political Beliefs.”] ''American Journal of Political Science'', vol. 54, no. 3, 2010, pp. 798–814. JSTOR, http://www.jstor.org/stable/27821953.</ref> this I find irrelevant to the debate at hand. For me, rather than naive ideals and ''theory'', the strategy and optics of the situation are far more important – realpolitik for MAPs, if you will.

	When we look at the comparison from this purely pragmatic standpoint, the fact that ''most people believe the Fascist is expressing free will'', takes on a new dimension that makes his or her hypothetical MAP Identity less potentially compromising to ~~them~~ as a group than say the rape fetishist MAP. While the presence of the occasional Nazi in most communities is pretty much a given, and can be easily ascribed to bad “personal choices”, a MAP who identifies as being attracted to the rape of small children is a considerable negative publicity risk, in that he confirms some of the most dangerous stereotypes propagated by the Radical-Right about the "violence and degeneracy" of paedophiles. No equivalent harmful stereotype of the “Fascistic MAP” appears to exist outside of 1980s fictional demonology,<ref name="Sonenschein">[[David Sonenschein]], 1998. ''Pedophiles on Parade''. isbn 9780915289004, oclc 40637993, ol 11413246M</ref> with the “normalisation of paedophilia” today being dishonestly cast by the media as a project of the political left.		When we look at the comparison from this purely pragmatic standpoint, the fact that ''most people believe the Fascist is expressing free will'', takes on a new dimension that makes his or her hypothetical MAP Identity less potentially compromising to MAPs as a group than say the rape fetishist MAP. While the presence of the occasional Nazi in most communities is pretty much a given, and can be easily ascribed to bad “personal choices”, a MAP who identifies as being attracted to the rape of small children is a considerable negative publicity risk, in that he confirms some of the most dangerous stereotypes propagated by the Radical-Right about the "violence and degeneracy" of paedophiles. No equivalent harmful stereotype of the “Fascistic MAP” appears to exist outside of 1980s fictional demonology,<ref name="Sonenschein">[[David Sonenschein]], 1998. ''Pedophiles on Parade''. isbn 9780915289004, oclc 40637993, ol 11413246M</ref> with the “normalisation of paedophilia” today being dishonestly cast by the media as a project of the political left.

	Of course, as readers here will be aware from years of research, the ''harmfulness'' of something within a particular context, does not necessarily correlate with its ''acceptability'' therein. Most online MAPs, particularly of the younger generation, strongly reject ethnonationalist ideology and wish not to be associated with it in any way, nor even to share a space with it. At the same time, the often-heard slogan ''[[Attraction ≠ Action]]'' (attraction does not equal action) provides a rallying point for both MAPs and Paraphiles, meaning that even an abstinent rape fetishist might be a far more comfortable ally than a Nazi – or for that matter any follower of usually hostile ideology.		Of course, as readers here will be aware from years of research, the ''harmfulness'' of something within a particular context, does not necessarily correlate with its ''acceptability'' therein. Most online MAPs, particularly of the younger generation, strongly reject ethnonationalist ideology and wish not to be associated with it in any way, nor even to share a space with it. At the same time, the often-heard slogan ''[[Attraction ≠ Action]]'' (attraction does not equal action) provides a rallying point for both MAPs and Paraphiles, meaning that even an abstinent rape fetishist might be a far more comfortable ally than a Nazi – or for that matter any follower of usually hostile ideology.

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	As proven by the recent [[pedophobia\|paedophobic]] attacks on Trans people, political adjacency is also a complex and tortured dynamic that may necessitate some degree of self-censorship. It might be the case that both a person who fetishizes rape, and a MAP are harmless, "law-abiding" people deserving of respect. But it can also be the case that if these two invalidated identities are associated to the point where they are seen as inextricable by wider society, social harms may come about for both. Therefore, it must be taken into account that peoples’ situation, perception thereof, and personal safety varies greatly. For example, some non-western societies that tolerate traditional heterosexual MAP relationships might not be so accepting of queer MAPs, and identifying as sympathetic to queer people might seriously endanger a persons' physical safety within such a context.		As proven by the recent [[pedophobia\|paedophobic]] attacks on Trans people, political adjacency is also a complex and tortured dynamic that may necessitate some degree of self-censorship. It might be the case that both a person who fetishizes rape, and a MAP are harmless, "law-abiding" people deserving of respect. But it can also be the case that if these two invalidated identities are associated to the point where they are seen as inextricable by wider society, social harms may come about for both. Therefore, it must be taken into account that peoples’ situation, perception thereof, and personal safety varies greatly. For example, some non-western societies that tolerate traditional heterosexual MAP relationships might not be so accepting of queer MAPs, and identifying as sympathetic to queer people might seriously endanger a persons' physical safety within such a context.

	Even discounting the cultural insensitivity of those who scold "assimilationism", it remains the case that any association of MAPs with other groups can not and should not be by ''compulsion''. Short-sighted attempts to purity-spiral the MAP Movement will at best incapacitate it, and in the long-run, likely open the door for the worst kind of MAP assimilationists - those who like the "queers" before them, would openly distance [[pedophilia\|paedophiles]] to appease the UN. So, while it is true that "assimilationism" is an inevitable, even ''necessary'' tangent during those times when our topic is genuinely in play, Paraphilia activists jump the gun by using it as a criticism of participants in online debates who can only dream of the day when it becomes a serious option. Nevertheless, going forward - ''when, how and to whom'' assimilationist arguments are posited is a matter of concern.		Even discounting the cultural insensitivity of those who scold "assimilationism", it remains the case that any association of MAPs with other groups can not and should not be by ''compulsion''. Short-sighted attempts to [[Wikipedia:Purity spiral\|purity-spiral]] the MAP Movement will at best incapacitate it, and in the long-run, likely open the door for the worst kind of MAP assimilationists - those who like the "queers" before them, would openly distance [[pedophilia\|paedophiles]] to appease the UN. So, while it is true that "assimilationism" is an inevitable, even ''necessary'' tangent during those times when our topic is genuinely in play, Paraphilia activists jump the gun by using it as a criticism of participants in online debates who can only dream of the day when it becomes a serious option. Nevertheless, going forward - ''when, how and to whom'' assimilationist arguments are posited is a matter of concern.

	Regardless of the above criticisms, the breed of Paraphile activism so described is a considerable and growing online trend. Putting aside the implausibility of classifying attraction to legally defined minors as a "paraphilia", there are apparently individuals in our community who need to ''feel'' this way, and will sadly only become mobilised under a mantra of minority, deviancy, victimhood, shared suffering and trauma. Call it placation, but in my opinion, vainly rejecting paraphilia-based MAP and ally activism and [[Alternative Initialism\|radical inclusionism]] as a parallel strategy would be foolish and counterproductive, as would any considerable investment of time and energy directly arguing against it.		Regardless of the above criticisms, the breed of Paraphile activism so described is a considerable and growing online trend. Putting aside the implausibility of classifying attraction to legally defined minors as a "paraphilia", there are apparently individuals in our community who need to ''feel'' this way, and will sadly only become mobilised under a mantra of minority, deviancy, victimhood, shared suffering and trauma. Call it placation, but in my opinion, vainly rejecting paraphilia-based MAP and ally activism and [[Alternative Initialism\|radical inclusionism]] as a parallel strategy would be foolish and counterproductive, as would any considerable investment of time and energy directly arguing against it.

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	In many ways, assimilationism is an ''inevitable'' part of any civil rights struggle whose end goal is social acceptance. When this reality hits home, you will often see younger Paraphilia activists concocting panicked and historically illiterate arguments attempting to criticize its ''effectiveness''. In response, it can be pointed out that homosexuals made early gains using unsophisticated civil libertarian arguments based on privacy, to the temporary exclusion of unapologetic queerness. They made further, and substantial gains appealing to the state, military, nuclear family and corporations while distancing themselves from MAPs - proving (if MAPs didn't already know) that expediency pays dividends.<ref>De Orio, S (2017). ''[https://deepblue.lib.umich.edu/bitstream/handle/2027.42/138757/sadeorio_1.pdf Punishing Queer Sexuality in the Age of LGBT Rights.]'' (A dissertation submitted in partial fulfilment of the requirements for the degree of Doctor of Philosophy, University of Michigan).</ref>		In many ways, assimilationism is an ''inevitable'' part of any civil rights struggle whose end goal is social acceptance. When this reality hits home, you will often see younger Paraphilia activists concocting panicked and historically illiterate arguments attempting to criticize its ''effectiveness''. In response, it can be pointed out that homosexuals made early gains using unsophisticated civil libertarian arguments based on privacy, to the temporary exclusion of unapologetic queerness. They made further, and substantial gains appealing to the state, military, nuclear family and corporations while distancing themselves from MAPs - proving (if MAPs didn't already know) that expediency pays dividends.<ref>De Orio, S (2017). ''[https://deepblue.lib.umich.edu/bitstream/handle/2027.42/138757/sadeorio_1.pdf Punishing Queer Sexuality in the Age of LGBT Rights.]'' (A dissertation submitted in partial fulfilment of the requirements for the degree of Doctor of Philosophy, University of Michigan).</ref>

	If bad optics weren’t also a concern for MAPs engaged in real-world activism, the otherwise radical [[David Thorstad]] would not have felt compelled to complain about the ''[[NAMBLA]] Bulletin'' becoming a soft porn rag for paedophiles,<ref>Denizet-Lewis, B (2006). [https://www.bostonmagazine.com/2006/05/15/boy-crazy/ “Boy Crazy”]. ''Boston Magazine''.</ref> nor would [[Tom Reeves]] have had to stress the same organisation was fundamentally about teen boys rather than children.<ref>Naedele, W (1982). [https://www.newgon.net/wiki/File:Boy_Love_convention_is_protested_1982-10-11.png “Boy Love Convention Is Protested”]. ''Philadelphia Inquirer''. See also, e.g. [https://www.newgon.net/wiki/File:Tom_Reeves_-_The_Advocate_-_23_Aug_1994_-_03.jpg ''The Advocate''], 1994.</ref> [[Virtuous Pedophiles]] are the most recent example of MAPs appealing to social norms ~~- a strategy that regardless of near-unanimous loathing~~ by their own kind (arguably ~~including~~ themselves), achieved considerable media exposure for years.		If bad optics weren’t also a concern for MAPs engaged in real-world activism, the otherwise radical [[David Thorstad]] would not have felt compelled to complain about the ''[[NAMBLA]] Bulletin'' becoming a soft porn rag for paedophiles,<ref>Denizet-Lewis, B (2006). [https://www.bostonmagazine.com/2006/05/15/boy-crazy/ “Boy Crazy”]. ''Boston Magazine''.</ref> nor would [[Tom Reeves]] have had to stress the same organisation was fundamentally about teen boys rather than children.<ref>Naedele, W (1982). [https://www.newgon.net/wiki/File:Boy_Love_convention_is_protested_1982-10-11.png “Boy Love Convention Is Protested”]. ''Philadelphia Inquirer''. See also, e.g. [https://www.newgon.net/wiki/File:Tom_Reeves_-_The_Advocate_-_23_Aug_1994_-_03.jpg ''The Advocate''], 1994.</ref> [[Virtuous Pedophiles]], a now infamous organisation of the 10s, are the most recent example of Assimilationist MAPs appealing to social norms. While they are almost unanimously loathed by their own kind (arguably, this includes themselves), it still cannot be denied this strategy achieved considerable media exposure for many years.

	As proven by the recent [[pedophobia\|paedophobic]] attacks on Trans people, political adjacency is also a complex and tortured dynamic that may necessitate some degree of self-censorship. It might be the case that both a person who fetishizes rape, and a MAP are harmless, "law-abiding" people deserving of respect. But it can also be the case that if these two invalidated identities are associated to the point where they are seen as inextricable by wider society, social harms may come about for both. Therefore, it must be taken into account that peoples’ situation, perception thereof, and personal safety varies greatly. For example, some non-western societies that tolerate traditional heterosexual MAP relationships might not be so accepting of queer MAPs, and identifying as sympathetic to queer people might seriously endanger a persons' physical safety within such a context.		As proven by the recent [[pedophobia\|paedophobic]] attacks on Trans people, political adjacency is also a complex and tortured dynamic that may necessitate some degree of self-censorship. It might be the case that both a person who fetishizes rape, and a MAP are harmless, "law-abiding" people deserving of respect. But it can also be the case that if these two invalidated identities are associated to the point where they are seen as inextricable by wider society, social harms may come about for both. Therefore, it must be taken into account that peoples’ situation, perception thereof, and personal safety varies greatly. For example, some non-western societies that tolerate traditional heterosexual MAP relationships might not be so accepting of queer MAPs, and identifying as sympathetic to queer people might seriously endanger a persons' physical safety within such a context.

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	[[File:Nathanlarson.jpg\|thumb\|During his short life, [[Nathan Larson]] ~~occupied~~ the unenviable ~~position of being a member~~ of all three groups discussed in this article. A mildly fascistic ("libertarian") and paraphilic MAP, he was shunned by many - raising obvious questions about [[War of adjacency\|political adjacency]] and the power of negative associations. He wound up starving himself to death in a jail cell]]		[[File:Nathanlarson.jpg\|thumb\|During his short life, [[Nathan Larson]] had the unenviable distinction of belonging to all three groups discussed in this article. A mildly fascistic ("libertarian") and paraphilic MAP, he was shunned by many - raising obvious questions about [[War of adjacency\|political adjacency]] and the power of negative associations. He wound up starving himself to death in a jail cell]]
	__NOTOC__Below is a slightly extended and modified version of an essay by Jim Burton (The [[Newgon]] Strategic Lead), originally [https://heretictoc.com/2023/10/21/paraphiles-and-the-far-right/ published] by [[Thomas O'Carroll]] in October, 2023. Spellings are anglicized in line with the blog's editorial. Further comments referring back to the social media controversy are included in O'Carroll's blog. Some controversy followed on [[Pediverse]] after this blog's publication, in which the author was accused of equating Paraphilia with Fascism.		__NOTOC__Below is a slightly extended and modified version of an essay by Jim Burton (The [[Newgon]] Strategic Lead), originally [https://heretictoc.com/2023/10/21/paraphiles-and-the-far-right/ published] by [[Thomas O'Carroll]] in October, 2023. Spellings are anglicized in line with the blog's editorial. Further comments referring back to the social media controversy are included in O'Carroll's blog. Some controversy followed on [[Pediverse]] after this blog's publication, in which the author was accused of equating Paraphilia with Fascism.

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	This year, I personally became the target of a similar kind of respectability politics when [[Anti-contact\|anti-c]] MAP/Paraphile activists alleged that conversations taking place on a chat-based MAP Fediverse server I fund (chat.yesmap.net)<ref>At the time of writing, Yesmap hosted accounts for Matrix - i.e. a federated chat protocol. What is hosted by the Yesmap domain is subject to change, depending on the present priorities of [[Newgon]] Organization.</ref> were “problematic”. In a campaign of malicious and disruptive disinformation, I was accused not only of tolerating Nazis and rampant transphobia, but normalising sex between adults and babies – something my server members were said by the accusers to uniformly relish with gay abandon. After a short internal review (I do not immediately read everything posted on the server), I found these allegations to be unsubstantiated. I also found that my moderators had acted as per my wish – repeatedly removing ethnonationalists on vacation from other servers. Usually, these bans were enacted in response to their insufferable behaviour towards other users, or failing that, when their all-consuming, and off-topic obsession with “race” politics became tiresome or started to rub other members up the wrong way.		This year, I personally became the target of a similar kind of respectability politics when [[Anti-contact\|anti-c]] MAP/Paraphile activists alleged that conversations taking place on a chat-based MAP Fediverse server I fund (chat.yesmap.net)<ref>At the time of writing, Yesmap hosted accounts for Matrix - i.e. a federated chat protocol. What is hosted by the Yesmap domain is subject to change, depending on the present priorities of [[Newgon]] Organization.</ref> were “problematic”. In a campaign of malicious and disruptive disinformation, I was accused not only of tolerating Nazis and rampant transphobia, but normalising sex between adults and babies – something my server members were said by the accusers to uniformly relish with gay abandon. After a short internal review (I do not immediately read everything posted on the server), I found these allegations to be unsubstantiated. I also found that my moderators had acted as per my wish – repeatedly removing ethnonationalists on vacation from other servers. Usually, these bans were enacted in response to their insufferable behaviour towards other users, or failing that, when their all-consuming, and off-topic obsession with “race” politics became tiresome or started to rub other members up the wrong way.

	It appears the smear was in fact the brain-child of what I can only describe as a couple of permanently online Paraphile MAP Activists who had migrated from Tumblr, via Twitter to Mastodon (itself a Fediverse protocol) three years ago to evade bans. At the point I became acquainted with them (via Twitter), it was obvious, at least in retrospect, they were on a renewed push to disrupt the MAP Community by politicising and dividing it. Both were young, self-identifying as “psychopathic” and [[Anti-contact\|anti-c]], one an "Anarchist"/"Victimological" Feminist, and the other an "Authoritarian" Communist. Their clique had long been pushing for the wider online MAP Community to be curated according to their own radical politics, seeking to expunge any trace of its previous intellectual diversity. Since their criticisms were aired, the two principal instigators have faced controversies of their own, after further information regarding their involvement in malicious conduct (doxxing – sharing of personal information) against other MAPs emerged. But their changed personal situation aside, the argument these two made is still wholly unacceptable, for if we were to submit MAPs to a monolithic model of identity politics, we would be at risk of confirming one of the Radical-Right’s worst misrepresentations of MAP visibility. This is namely the myth that MAP acceptance is solely a project of Liberal-Left, “postmodern” and/or “woke” politics.		It appears the smear was in fact the brain-child of what I can only describe as a couple of permanently online Paraphile MAP Activists who had migrated from Tumblr, via Twitter to Mastodon (itself a Fediverse protocol) three years ago to evade bans. At the point I became acquainted with them (via Twitter), it was obvious, at least in retrospect, they were on a renewed push to disrupt the MAP Community by politicising and dividing it. Both were young, self-identifying as “psychopathic” and [[Anti-contact\|anti-c]], one an "Anarchist"/"Victimological" Feminist, and the other an "Authoritarian" Communist. Their clique had long been pushing (with sluggish and limited success) for the wider online MAP Community to be curated according to their own radical politics, seeking to expunge any trace of its previous intellectual diversity. Since their criticisms were aired, the two principal instigators have faced controversies of their own, after further information regarding their involvement in malicious conduct (doxxing – sharing of personal information) against other MAPs emerged. But their changed personal situation aside, the argument these two made is still wholly unacceptable, for if we were to submit MAPs to a monolithic model of identity politics, we would be at risk of confirming one of the Radical-Right’s worst misrepresentations of MAP visibility. This is namely the myth that MAP acceptance is solely a project of Liberal-Left, “postmodern” and/or “woke” politics.

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	As proven by the recent [[pedophobia\|paedophobic]] attacks on Trans people, political adjacency is also a complex and tortured dynamic that may necessitate some degree of self-censorship. It might be the case that both a person who fetishizes rape, and a MAP are harmless, "law-abiding" people deserving of respect. But it can also be the case that if these two invalidated identities are associated to the point where they are seen as inextricable by wider society, social harms may come about for both. Therefore, it must be taken into account that peoples’ situation, perception thereof, and personal safety varies greatly. For example, some non-western societies that tolerate traditional heterosexual MAP relationships might not be so accepting of queer MAPs, and identifying as sympathetic to queer people might seriously endanger a persons' physical safety within such a context.		As proven by the recent [[pedophobia\|paedophobic]] attacks on Trans people, political adjacency is also a complex and tortured dynamic that may necessitate some degree of self-censorship. It might be the case that both a person who fetishizes rape, and a MAP are harmless, "law-abiding" people deserving of respect. But it can also be the case that if these two invalidated identities are associated to the point where they are seen as inextricable by wider society, social harms may come about for both. Therefore, it must be taken into account that peoples’ situation, perception thereof, and personal safety varies greatly. For example, some non-western societies that tolerate traditional heterosexual MAP relationships might not be so accepting of queer MAPs, and identifying as sympathetic to queer people might seriously endanger a persons' physical safety within such a context.

	Even discounting the cultural insensitivity of those who scold "assimilationism", it remains the case that any association of MAPs with other groups can not and should not be by ''compulsion''. Short-sighted attempts to purity-spiral the MAP Movement will at best incapacitate it, and in the long-run, likely open the door for the worst kind of MAP assimilationists - those who like the "queers" before them, would openly distance [[pedophilia\|paedophiles]] to appease the UN. So, while it is true that "assimilationism" is an inevitable, even ''necessary'' tangent during those times when our topic is genuinely in play, Paraphilia activists jump the gun by using it as a criticism of participants in online debates who can only dream of the day when it becomes a serious option. Nevertheless, going forward - ''when, how and to whom'' assimilationist arguments are posited is a matter of concern.		Even discounting the cultural insensitivity of those who scold "assimilationism", it remains the case that any association of MAPs with other groups can not and should not be by ''compulsion''. Short-sighted attempts to [[Wikipedia:Purity spiral\|purity-spiral]] the MAP Movement will at best incapacitate it, and in the long-run, likely open the door for the worst kind of MAP assimilationists - those who like the "queers" before them, would openly distance [[pedophilia\|paedophiles]] to appease the UN. So, while it is true that "assimilationism" is an inevitable, even ''necessary'' tangent during those times when our topic is genuinely in play, Paraphilia activists jump the gun by using it as a criticism of participants in online debates who can only dream of the day when it becomes a serious option. Nevertheless, going forward - ''when, how and to whom'' assimilationist arguments are posited is a matter of concern.

	Regardless of the above criticisms, the breed of Paraphile activism so described is a considerable and growing online trend. Putting aside the implausibility of classifying attraction to legally defined minors as a "paraphilia", there are apparently individuals in our community who need to ''feel'' this way, and will sadly only become mobilised under a mantra of minority, deviancy, victimhood, shared suffering and trauma. Call it placation, but in my opinion, vainly rejecting paraphilia-based MAP and ally activism and [[Alternative Initialism\|radical inclusionism]] as a parallel strategy would be foolish and counterproductive, as would any considerable investment of time and energy directly arguing against it.		Regardless of the above criticisms, the breed of Paraphile activism so described is a considerable and growing online trend. Putting aside the implausibility of classifying attraction to legally defined minors as a "paraphilia", there are apparently individuals in our community who need to ''feel'' this way, and will sadly only become mobilised under a mantra of minority, deviancy, victimhood, shared suffering and trauma. Call it placation, but in my opinion, vainly rejecting paraphilia-based MAP and ally activism and [[Alternative Initialism\|radical inclusionism]] as a parallel strategy would be foolish and counterproductive, as would any considerable investment of time and energy directly arguing against it.