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	* The role of feminists in the social purity movement of the Victorian era, and their role in raising the [[Age of Consent]].		* The role of feminists in the social purity movement of the Victorian era, and their role in raising the [[Age of Consent]].
	* The perception of modern feminism as female elitism ("feminazi", etc) and/or institutionalized model of covertly exercised authority. See section on antifeminist theories later in article.		* The perception of modern feminism as female elitism ("feminazi", etc) and/or institutionalized model of covertly exercised authority. See [[#Antifeminist_theory\|section on antifeminist theories]] later in article.
	* Perception of feminism as a founder member of the [[child sexual abuse]] [[psychiatry]] agenda of the late 1970s, 80s and onward, with the establishment of psychiatric organizations such as [[The Leadership Council]], which represent a nexus of psychiatry and ideological groups such as conservatives and feminists.		* Perception of feminism as a founder member of the [[child sexual abuse]] [[psychiatry]] agenda of the late 1970s, 80s and onward, with the establishment of psychiatric organizations such as [[The Leadership Council]], which represent a nexus of psychiatry and ideological groups such as conservatives and feminists.
	* Conflation of [[pederasty]] (a practice that brings with it a considerable historical tradition) with the fledgling [[incest]] model of [[Child Sexual Abuse]]. The perception this generalization involves a knowing revision of that well-established history, resulting in the failure of feminists to explain experiences of [[boy]]s and [[boylover]]s that run contrary to those speculated in feminist critiques of intergenerational relationships.		* Conflation of [[pederasty]] (a practice that brings with it a considerable historical tradition) with the fledgling [[incest]] model of [[Child Sexual Abuse]]. The perception this generalization involves a knowing revision of that well-established history, resulting in the failure of feminists to explain experiences of [[boy]]s and [[boylover]]s that run contrary to those speculated in feminist critiques of intergenerational relationships.

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	A number of reasons can be speculatively offered:		A number of reasons can be speculatively offered:

	* The role of feminists in the social purity movement of the Victorian era, and their role in raising the [[Age of Consent]].		* The role of feminists in the social purity movement of the Victorian era, and their role in raising the [[Age of Consent]].
	* Perception of feminism as a founder member of the [[child sexual abuse]] [[psychiatry]] agenda of the late 1970s, 80s and ~~onwards~~, with the establishment of psychiatric organizations such as [[The Leadership Council]], ~~sometimes fronted by suspected exclusionary~~ feminists.		* The perception of modern feminism as female elitism ("feminazi", etc) and/or institutionalized model of covertly exercised authority. See section on antifeminist theories later in article.
	* Conflation of [[pederasty]] (a practice that brings with it a considerable historical tradition) with the fledgling [[incest]] model of [[Child Sexual Abuse]]. The perception ~~that~~ this generalization involves a knowing revision of that well-established history.		* Perception of feminism as a founder member of the [[child sexual abuse]] [[psychiatry]] agenda of the late 1970s, 80s and onward, with the establishment of psychiatric organizations such as [[The Leadership Council]], which represent a nexus of psychiatry and ideological groups such as conservatives and feminists.
	* Failure of feminists to explain experiences of [[boy]]s and [[boylover]]s that run contrary to those speculated in feminist critiques of intergenerational relationships.		* Conflation of [[pederasty]] (a practice that brings with it a considerable historical tradition) with the fledgling [[incest]] model of [[Child Sexual Abuse]]. The perception this generalization involves a knowing revision of that well-established history, resulting in the failure of feminists to explain experiences of [[boy]]s and [[boylover]]s that run contrary to those speculated in feminist critiques of intergenerational relationships.
	* Failure of feminists to identify with or even tentatively address issues related to masculinity. Prof. [[John P. De Cecco]] argued that identity [[Wikipedia:Essentialism\|essentialist]] feminists "are jealous of men who show the kind of nurturance that only females are supposed to posses".<ref>[https://www.newgon.net/wiki/File:John_de_cecco_paidika_issue_3_interview.pdf De Cecco Paidika interview (1987)] - (Archived PDF copy).</ref>		* Failure of feminists to identify with or even tentatively address issues related to masculinity. Prof. [[John P. De Cecco]] argued that identity [[Wikipedia:Essentialism\|essentialist]] feminists "are jealous of men who show the kind of nurturance that only females are supposed to posses".<ref>[https://www.newgon.net/wiki/File:John_de_cecco_paidika_issue_3_interview.pdf De Cecco Paidika interview (1987)] - (Archived PDF copy).</ref>
	* The perception of modern feminism as female elitism ("feminazi", etc) and/or institutionalized model of covertly exercised authority. See section on antifeminist theories later in article.
	* Attempts by feminists to represent (gay) youth and encourage their "rights" and "participation" whilst at the same time [[Ageism\|infantalizing]] them and denying their autonomy.		* Attempts by feminists to represent (gay) youth and encourage their "rights" and "participation" whilst at the same time [[Ageism\|infantalizing]] them and denying their autonomy.
	* Alliances between radical feminists (TERFs/SWERFs) and violently anti-pedophile ideologies - particularly those of the right. These alliances have been rejuvenated after the [[MAP Movement]] achieved basic visibility in the 2020s.		* Alliances between radical feminists (TERFs/SWERFs) and violently anti-pedophile ideologies - particularly those of the right. These alliances have been rejuvenated after the [[MAP Movement]] achieved basic visibility in the 2020s.
	* Plain misogyny.

	~~Whilst many of these grievances may have more than a firm foothold in reality, it can certainly be said that their airing has done little good for the cause of~~ [[~~boylove~~]] or MAPs ~~in general~~.		Older MAP community websites such as [[BoyChat]] would also reveal that misogyny and conspiratorialism play roles in anti-feminist and anti-female sentiment among a minority of MAPs.

	===MAP-Exclusionary Radical Feminism===		===MAP-Exclusionary Radical Feminism===

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	* Failure of feminists to explain experiences of [[boy]]s and [[boylover]]s that run contrary to those speculated in feminist critiques of intergenerational relationships.		* Failure of feminists to explain experiences of [[boy]]s and [[boylover]]s that run contrary to those speculated in feminist critiques of intergenerational relationships.
	* Failure of feminists to identify with or even tentatively address issues related to masculinity. Prof. [[John P. De Cecco]] argued that identity [[Wikipedia:Essentialism\|essentialist]] feminists "are jealous of men who show the kind of nurturance that only females are supposed to posses".<ref>[https://www.newgon.net/wiki/File:John_de_cecco_paidika_issue_3_interview.pdf De Cecco Paidika interview (1987)] - (Archived PDF copy).</ref>		* Failure of feminists to identify with or even tentatively address issues related to masculinity. Prof. [[John P. De Cecco]] argued that identity [[Wikipedia:Essentialism\|essentialist]] feminists "are jealous of men who show the kind of nurturance that only females are supposed to posses".<ref>[https://www.newgon.net/wiki/File:John_de_cecco_paidika_issue_3_interview.pdf De Cecco Paidika interview (1987)] - (Archived PDF copy).</ref>
	* The perception of modern feminism as female elitism ("feminazi", etc) and/or institutionalized model of covertly exercised authority.		* The perception of modern feminism as female elitism ("feminazi", etc) and/or institutionalized model of covertly exercised authority. See section on antifeminist theories later in article.
	* Attempts by feminists to represent (gay) youth and encourage their "rights" and "participation" whilst at the same time [[Ageism\|infantalizing]] them and denying their autonomy.		* Attempts by feminists to represent (gay) youth and encourage their "rights" and "participation" whilst at the same time [[Ageism\|infantalizing]] them and denying their autonomy.
	* Alliances between radical feminists (TERFs/SWERFs) and violently anti-pedophile ideologies - particularly those of the right. These alliances have been rejuvenated after the [[MAP Movement]] achieved basic visibility in the 2020s.		* Alliances between radical feminists (TERFs/SWERFs) and violently anti-pedophile ideologies - particularly those of the right. These alliances have been rejuvenated after the [[MAP Movement]] achieved basic visibility in the 2020s.

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	A number of reasons can be speculatively offered:		A number of reasons can be speculatively offered:

	* The role of feminists in the social purity movement of the Victorian era, and their role in raising the [[Age of Consent]]. There had even been efforts to raise the age of consent to 21 years in the United States in the 1890s.<ref>[https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/what-raising-age-sexual-consent-taught-women-about-vote-180975658/ What Raising the Age of Sexual Consent Taught Women About the Vote] - Smithsonian Magazine (August 26, 2020)</ref> It has been theorized that the goal of raising the age of consent and making it socially unacceptable for men to mate with women near the beginning of their reproductive age was an attack by feminists and sex workers against their competing younger counterparts.<ref>[https://theantifeminist.com/different-types-of-age-cuck-explained/ "Different Types of Age Cuck Explained" - The AntiFeminist] (February 18, 2026)</ref><ref>[[Essay:A Critical Look At the Age of Consent Laws]]</ref> Perception of feminism as a founder member of the [[child sexual abuse]] [[psychiatry]] agenda of the late 1970s, 80s and onwards, with the establishment of psychiatric organizations such as [[The Leadership Council]], sometimes fronted by suspected exclusionary feminists.		* The role of feminists in the social purity movement of the Victorian era, and their role in raising the [[Age of Consent]].
			* Perception of feminism as a founder member of the [[child sexual abuse]] [[psychiatry]] agenda of the late 1970s, 80s and onwards, with the establishment of psychiatric organizations such as [[The Leadership Council]], sometimes fronted by suspected exclusionary feminists.
	* Conflation of [[pederasty]] (a practice that brings with it a considerable historical tradition) with the fledgling [[incest]] model of [[Child Sexual Abuse]]. The perception that this generalization involves a knowing revision of that well-established history.		* Conflation of [[pederasty]] (a practice that brings with it a considerable historical tradition) with the fledgling [[incest]] model of [[Child Sexual Abuse]]. The perception that this generalization involves a knowing revision of that well-established history.
	* Failure of feminists to explain experiences of [[boy]]s and [[boylover]]s that run contrary to those speculated in feminist critiques of intergenerational relationships.		* Failure of feminists to explain experiences of [[boy]]s and [[boylover]]s that run contrary to those speculated in feminist critiques of intergenerational relationships.
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	<blockquote>''Historically, crusades to "save the children" emerge at the moment when progressive movements are beginning to falter. This fits the 1980s context. As social programs serving families were severely reduced, sexual abuse narratives were one way to speak about family pain. Ultimately, the crusades against child abuse gained support from all sides: from feminists ''[...]'' and liberals ''[...]''; conservatives anxious about sexual hedonism and evangelical Christians anxious about sexual sin; therapists, attorneys, and criminologists who sought to expand their professional authority; a sensation-hungry media seeking new sexual narratives; and politicians seeking a cause sure to attract support. In addition, Reagan and Bush officials promoted the idea that the greatest threat to American children was pornography rather than poverty. They funded reports on child abuse and widely disseminated the most extreme claims about the sexual victimization of children.'' (p. 452).</blockquote>		<blockquote>''Historically, crusades to "save the children" emerge at the moment when progressive movements are beginning to falter. This fits the 1980s context. As social programs serving families were severely reduced, sexual abuse narratives were one way to speak about family pain. Ultimately, the crusades against child abuse gained support from all sides: from feminists ''[...]'' and liberals ''[...]''; conservatives anxious about sexual hedonism and evangelical Christians anxious about sexual sin; therapists, attorneys, and criminologists who sought to expand their professional authority; a sensation-hungry media seeking new sexual narratives; and politicians seeking a cause sure to attract support. In addition, Reagan and Bush officials promoted the idea that the greatest threat to American children was pornography rather than poverty. They funded reports on child abuse and widely disseminated the most extreme claims about the sexual victimization of children.'' (p. 452).</blockquote>

			===Antifeminist theory===

			It has been theorized by [[Incelosphere\|Incels]], antifeminists and [[Masculism\|masculinists]] that the goal of raising the age of consent and making it socially unacceptable for men to mate with women near the beginning of their reproductive age was an attack by feminists and sex workers against their competing younger counterparts.<ref>[https://theantifeminist.com/different-types-of-age-cuck-explained/ "Different Types of Age Cuck Explained" - The AntiFeminist] (February 18, 2026)</ref><ref>[[Essay:A Critical Look At the Age of Consent Laws]]</ref> There had even been efforts to raise the age of consent to 21 years in the United States in the 1890s,<ref>[https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/what-raising-age-sexual-consent-taught-women-about-vote-180975658/ What Raising the Age of Sexual Consent Taught Women About the Vote] - Smithsonian Magazine (August 26, 2020)</ref> which are ascribed by such groups to feminist civil organizing.

	==See also==		==See also==

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	* The role of feminists in the social purity movement of the Victorian era, and their role in raising the [[Age of Consent]]. There had even been efforts to raise the age of consent to 21 years in the United States in the 1890s.<ref>[https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/what-raising-age-sexual-consent-taught-women-about-vote-180975658/ What Raising the Age of Sexual Consent Taught Women About the Vote] - Smithsonian Magazine (August 26, 2020)</ref> Perception of feminism as a founder member of the [[child sexual abuse]] [[psychiatry]] agenda of the late 1970s, 80s and onwards, with the establishment of psychiatric organizations such as [[The Leadership Council]], sometimes fronted by suspected exclusionary feminists.		* The role of feminists in the social purity movement of the Victorian era, and their role in raising the [[Age of Consent]]. There had even been efforts to raise the age of consent to 21 years in the United States in the 1890s.<ref>[https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/what-raising-age-sexual-consent-taught-women-about-vote-180975658/ What Raising the Age of Sexual Consent Taught Women About the Vote] - Smithsonian Magazine (August 26, 2020)</ref> It has been theorized that the goal of raising the age of consent and making it socially unacceptable for men to mate with women near the beginning of their reproductive age was an attack by feminists and sex workers against their competing younger counterparts.<ref>[https://theantifeminist.com/different-types-of-age-cuck-explained/ "Different Types of Age Cuck Explained" - The AntiFeminist] (February 18, 2026)</ref><ref>[[Essay:A Critical Look At the Age of Consent Laws]]</ref> Perception of feminism as a founder member of the [[child sexual abuse]] [[psychiatry]] agenda of the late 1970s, 80s and onwards, with the establishment of psychiatric organizations such as [[The Leadership Council]], sometimes fronted by suspected exclusionary feminists.
	* Conflation of [[pederasty]] (a practice that brings with it a considerable historical tradition) with the fledgling [[incest]] model of [[Child Sexual Abuse]]. The perception that this generalization involves a knowing revision of that well-established history.		* Conflation of [[pederasty]] (a practice that brings with it a considerable historical tradition) with the fledgling [[incest]] model of [[Child Sexual Abuse]]. The perception that this generalization involves a knowing revision of that well-established history.
	* Failure of feminists to explain experiences of [[boy]]s and [[boylover]]s that run contrary to those speculated in feminist critiques of intergenerational relationships.		* Failure of feminists to explain experiences of [[boy]]s and [[boylover]]s that run contrary to those speculated in feminist critiques of intergenerational relationships.

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	* The role of feminists in the social purity movement of the Victorian era, and their role in raising the [[Age of Consent]]. Perception of feminism as a founder member of the [[child sexual abuse]] [[psychiatry]] agenda of the late 1970s, 80s and onwards, with the establishment of psychiatric organizations such as [[The Leadership Council]], sometimes fronted by suspected exclusionary feminists.		* The role of feminists in the social purity movement of the Victorian era, and their role in raising the [[Age of Consent]]. There had even been efforts to raise the age of consent to 21 years in the United States in the 1890s.<ref>[https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/what-raising-age-sexual-consent-taught-women-about-vote-180975658/ What Raising the Age of Sexual Consent Taught Women About the Vote] - Smithsonian Magazine (August 26, 2020)</ref> Perception of feminism as a founder member of the [[child sexual abuse]] [[psychiatry]] agenda of the late 1970s, 80s and onwards, with the establishment of psychiatric organizations such as [[The Leadership Council]], sometimes fronted by suspected exclusionary feminists.
	* Conflation of [[pederasty]] (a practice that brings with it a considerable historical tradition) with the fledgling [[incest]] model of [[Child Sexual Abuse]]. The perception that this generalization involves a knowing revision of that well-established history.		* Conflation of [[pederasty]] (a practice that brings with it a considerable historical tradition) with the fledgling [[incest]] model of [[Child Sexual Abuse]]. The perception that this generalization involves a knowing revision of that well-established history.
	* Failure of feminists to explain experiences of [[boy]]s and [[boylover]]s that run contrary to those speculated in feminist critiques of intergenerational relationships.		* Failure of feminists to explain experiences of [[boy]]s and [[boylover]]s that run contrary to those speculated in feminist critiques of intergenerational relationships.

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	{{Template:Adj}}__NOTOC__'''Feminism''' is a belief-system based on a purported anti-oppression point of view as applied to the contemporary situation of women and historical abuses faced by women and other minorities. The feminist discourse is particularly concerned with equal rights, and in some cases, outright [[inequality\|equality]].		{{Template:Adj}}__NOTOC__'''Feminism''' is a belief-system based on a purported anti-oppression point of view as applied to the contemporary situation of women and historical abuses faced by women and other minorities. The feminist discourse is particularly concerned with equal rights, and in some cases, outright [[inequality\|equality]].

	Many of the most influential feminists of the 20th century have made supportive statements about minor-older erotic behavior, including [[Gayle Rubin]], [[Germaine Greer]], [[Kate Millett]], [[Simone de Beauvoir]], [[Shulamith Firestone]], [[Judith Butler]], and [[Andrea Dworkin]]. Whilst some other sex-positive and/or dissident feminists such as [[Jane Rule]], [[Camille Paglia]], [[Patrick Califia]], [[Nettie Pollard]], [[Judith Levine]], [[Yasmin Nair]], [[Beatrice_Faust\|Beatrice Faust]], [[Essay:Our Sexuality, Ourselves (Review of The Age Taboo in Gay Community News)\|Cindy Patton]], [[Stevi Jackson]], [[Katharina Rutschky]], [[Nina Power]], [[Heather Corinna]], [[Janice Irvine]], [[Sharon Lamb]] and [[Carol Tavris]], elaborate contrarian philosophies and anecdotes on the issue of adult-minor sexuality, since the 1970s the discourse has been increasingly used to condemn such sexual relationships on the basis that inequalities render them universally "abusive".		Many of the most influential feminists of the 20th century have made supportive statements about minor-older erotic behavior, including [[Gayle Rubin]], [[Germaine Greer]], [[Kate Millett]], [[Simone de Beauvoir]], [[Shulamith Firestone]], [[Judith Butler]], and [[Andrea Dworkin]]. Whilst some other sex-positive and/or dissident feminists such as [[Jane Rule]], [[Camille Paglia]], [[Patrick Califia]], [[Nettie Pollard]], [[Joan Nestle]], [[Judith Levine]], [[Yasmin Nair]], [[Beatrice_Faust\|Beatrice Faust]], [[Essay:Our Sexuality, Ourselves (Review of The Age Taboo in Gay Community News)\|Cindy Patton]], [[Stevi Jackson]], [[Katharina Rutschky]], [[Nina Power]], [[Heather Corinna]], [[Janice Irvine]], [[Sharon Lamb]] and [[Carol Tavris]], elaborate contrarian philosophies and anecdotes on the issue of adult-minor sexuality, since the 1970s the discourse has been increasingly used to condemn such sexual relationships on the basis that inequalities render them universally "abusive".

	At present, adjacent movements such as pro-sex work, sex-positive, and [[Wikipedia:Carceral feminism\|anti-carceral]] feminism are more likely to hold positions that pro-choice MAP and youth rights activists may hold, including the recognition that [[Research:_Commercial_and_online_sexual_exploitation\|minors choose and want]] to engage in sex and sex work, and that prisons and public registration for lawbreakers are ineffective strategies for reducing the incidence of unlawful erotic behavior, especially when law makes no distinctions between mutually willing eroticism and unwanted, violent assaults, and criminalizes minors for [[consent\|consensual]] erotic activity with other minors (Levine and Meiners<ref>[http://library.lol/main/13B331C61A42685FEE3ECF8BD1F0BD99 The Feminist and the Sex Offender]</ref> 2020; Taylor<ref>[https://wapercyfoundation.org/?page_id=1086 News & Resources: review – Taylor: ‘Foucault, Feminism, & Sex Crimes’]</ref> 2018).		At present, adjacent movements such as pro-sex work, sex-positive, and [[Wikipedia:Carceral feminism\|anti-carceral]] feminism are more likely to hold positions that pro-choice MAP and youth rights activists may hold, including the recognition that [[Research:_Commercial_and_online_sexual_exploitation\|minors choose and want]] to engage in sex and sex work, and that prisons and public registration for lawbreakers are ineffective strategies for reducing the incidence of unlawful erotic behavior, especially when law makes no distinctions between mutually willing eroticism and unwanted, violent assaults, and criminalizes minors for [[consent\|consensual]] erotic activity with other minors (Levine and Meiners<ref>[http://library.lol/main/13B331C61A42685FEE3ECF8BD1F0BD99 The Feminist and the Sex Offender]</ref> 2020; Taylor<ref>[https://wapercyfoundation.org/?page_id=1086 News & Resources: review – Taylor: ‘Foucault, Feminism, & Sex Crimes’]</ref> 2018).

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	At present, adjacent movements such as pro-sex work, sex-positive, and [[Wikipedia:Carceral feminism\|anti-carceral]] feminism are more likely to hold positions that pro-choice MAP and youth rights activists may hold, including the recognition that [[Research:_Commercial_and_online_sexual_exploitation\|minors choose and want]] to engage in sex and sex work, and that prisons and public registration for lawbreakers are ineffective strategies for reducing the incidence of unlawful erotic behavior, especially when law makes no distinctions between mutually willing eroticism and unwanted, violent assaults, and criminalizes minors for [[consent\|consensual]] erotic activity with other minors (Levine and Meiners<ref>[http://library.lol/main/13B331C61A42685FEE3ECF8BD1F0BD99 The Feminist and the Sex Offender]</ref> 2020; Taylor<ref>[https://wapercyfoundation.org/?page_id=1086 News & Resources: review – Taylor: ‘Foucault, Feminism, & Sex Crimes’]</ref> 2018).		At present, adjacent movements such as pro-sex work, sex-positive, and [[Wikipedia:Carceral feminism\|anti-carceral]] feminism are more likely to hold positions that pro-choice MAP and youth rights activists may hold, including the recognition that [[Research:_Commercial_and_online_sexual_exploitation\|minors choose and want]] to engage in sex and sex work, and that prisons and public registration for lawbreakers are ineffective strategies for reducing the incidence of unlawful erotic behavior, especially when law makes no distinctions between mutually willing eroticism and unwanted, violent assaults, and criminalizes minors for [[consent\|consensual]] erotic activity with other minors (Levine and Meiners<ref>[http://library.lol/main/13B331C61A42685FEE3ECF8BD1F0BD99 The Feminist and the Sex Offender]</ref> 2020; Taylor<ref>[https://wapercyfoundation.org/?page_id=1086 News & Resources: review – Taylor: ‘Foucault, Feminism, & Sex Crimes’]</ref> 2018).

	The influence of sex-positive and anti-carceral feminism remains marginal in comparison to the dominance of carceral feminism (Angela Davis et al.<ref>[http://library.lol/main/018C1834DB2D87853010DEB45DC25067 Abolition. Feminism. Now.]</ref> 2022; Aya Gruber, 2020<ref>See Aya Gruber, ''The Feminist War on Crime: The Unexpected Role of Women's Liberation in Mass Incarceration'' (University of California Press, 2020).</ref>, etc.).<ref>Amia Srinivasan, [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Right_to_Sex ''The Right to Sex: Feminism in the Twenty-First Century''] (2021), pp. 170-71. [See [https://www.boychat.org/messages/1583018.htm quote on Boychat]].</ref> It could be said that the loathing felt by some [[Minor Attracted People\|MAPs]], particularly [[boylovers]] towards feminists as a group is similar in magnitude to the derision which present day feminists show towards boy-attracted males. For an account of activism against the MAP-youth rights organization NAMBLA, written by a self-identified feminist, see the 1992 issue of Women's magazine ''Off Our Backs'' [[Media:Off_Our_Backs_-_1992_-_Anti-NAMBLA_Activism.pdf\|here]]. For a well-read and articulate feminist critique of common [[pro-c]] arguments, see the work of Sheila Jeffreys.<ref>See ‘PAEDOPHILIA’, in ''Anticlimax: A Feminist Perspective on the Sexual Revolution'' (1990), pp. 134-149.; CHAPTER 5 The Paedophile Liberation Movement, in ''Penile Imperialism: The Male Sex Right and Women's Subordination'' (2022).</ref>		The influence of sex-positive and anti-carceral feminism remains marginal in comparison to the dominance of carceral feminism (Angela Davis et al.<ref>[http://library.lol/main/018C1834DB2D87853010DEB45DC25067 Abolition. Feminism. Now.]</ref> 2022; Aya Gruber, 2020<ref>See Aya Gruber, ''The Feminist War on Crime: The Unexpected Role of Women's Liberation in Mass Incarceration'' (University of California Press, 2020).</ref>, etc.).<ref>Amia Srinivasan, [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Right_to_Sex ''The Right to Sex: Feminism in the Twenty-First Century''] (Bloomsbury, 2021), pp. 170-71. [See [https://www.boychat.org/messages/1583018.htm quote on Boychat]]. [See [https://annas-archive.gl/md5/cb5d9c5ddef6afa61be6949bdac044d2 Annas Archive for PDF link]].</ref> It could be said that the loathing felt by some [[Minor Attracted People\|MAPs]], particularly [[boylovers]] towards feminists as a group is similar in magnitude to the derision which present day feminists show towards boy-attracted males. For an account of activism against the MAP-youth rights organization NAMBLA, written by a self-identified feminist, see the 1992 issue of Women's magazine ''Off Our Backs'' [[Media:Off_Our_Backs_-_1992_-_Anti-NAMBLA_Activism.pdf\|here]]. For a well-read and articulate feminist critique of common [[pro-c]] arguments, see the work of Sheila Jeffreys.<ref>See ‘PAEDOPHILIA’, in ''Anticlimax: A Feminist Perspective on the Sexual Revolution'' (1990), pp. 134-149.; CHAPTER 5 The Paedophile Liberation Movement, in ''Penile Imperialism: The Male Sex Right and Women's Subordination'' (2022).</ref>

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	At present, adjacent movements such as pro-sex work, sex-positive, and [[Wikipedia:Carceral feminism\|anti-carceral]] feminism are more likely to hold positions that pro-choice MAP and youth rights activists may hold, including the recognition that [[Research:_Commercial_and_online_sexual_exploitation\|minors choose and want]] to engage in sex and sex work, and that prisons and public registration for lawbreakers are ineffective strategies for reducing the incidence of unlawful erotic behavior, especially when law makes no distinctions between mutually willing eroticism and unwanted, violent assaults, and criminalizes minors for [[consent\|consensual]] erotic activity with other minors (Levine and Meiners<ref>[http://library.lol/main/13B331C61A42685FEE3ECF8BD1F0BD99 The Feminist and the Sex Offender]</ref> 2020; Taylor<ref>[https://wapercyfoundation.org/?page_id=1086 News & Resources: review – Taylor: ‘Foucault, Feminism, & Sex Crimes’]</ref> 2018).		At present, adjacent movements such as pro-sex work, sex-positive, and [[Wikipedia:Carceral feminism\|anti-carceral]] feminism are more likely to hold positions that pro-choice MAP and youth rights activists may hold, including the recognition that [[Research:_Commercial_and_online_sexual_exploitation\|minors choose and want]] to engage in sex and sex work, and that prisons and public registration for lawbreakers are ineffective strategies for reducing the incidence of unlawful erotic behavior, especially when law makes no distinctions between mutually willing eroticism and unwanted, violent assaults, and criminalizes minors for [[consent\|consensual]] erotic activity with other minors (Levine and Meiners<ref>[http://library.lol/main/13B331C61A42685FEE3ECF8BD1F0BD99 The Feminist and the Sex Offender]</ref> 2020; Taylor<ref>[https://wapercyfoundation.org/?page_id=1086 News & Resources: review – Taylor: ‘Foucault, Feminism, & Sex Crimes’]</ref> 2018).

	The influence of sex-positive and anti-carceral feminism remains marginal in comparison to the dominance of carceral feminism (Angela Davis et al.<ref>[http://library.lol/main/018C1834DB2D87853010DEB45DC25067 Abolition. Feminism. Now.]</ref> 2022; Aya Gruber, 2020<ref>See Aya Gruber, ''The Feminist War on Crime: The Unexpected Role of Women's Liberation in Mass Incarceration'' (University of California Press, 2020).</ref>). It could be said that the loathing felt by some [[Minor Attracted People\|MAPs]], particularly [[boylovers]] towards feminists as a group is similar in magnitude to the derision which present day feminists show towards boy-attracted males. For an account of activism against the MAP-youth rights organization NAMBLA, written by a self-identified feminist, see the 1992 issue of Women's magazine ''Off Our Backs'' [[Media:Off_Our_Backs_-_1992_-_Anti-NAMBLA_Activism.pdf\|here]]. For a well-read and articulate feminist critique of common [[pro-c]] arguments, see the work of Sheila Jeffreys.<ref>See ‘PAEDOPHILIA’, in ''Anticlimax: A Feminist Perspective on the Sexual Revolution'' (1990), pp. 134-149.; CHAPTER 5 The Paedophile Liberation Movement, in ''Penile Imperialism: The Male Sex Right and Women's Subordination'' (2022).</ref>		The influence of sex-positive and anti-carceral feminism remains marginal in comparison to the dominance of carceral feminism (Angela Davis et al.<ref>[http://library.lol/main/018C1834DB2D87853010DEB45DC25067 Abolition. Feminism. Now.]</ref> 2022; Aya Gruber, 2020<ref>See Aya Gruber, ''The Feminist War on Crime: The Unexpected Role of Women's Liberation in Mass Incarceration'' (University of California Press, 2020).</ref>, etc.).<ref>Amia Srinivasan, [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Right_to_Sex ''The Right to Sex: Feminism in the Twenty-First Century''] (2021), pp. 170-71. [See [https://www.boychat.org/messages/1583018.htm quote on Boychat]].</ref> It could be said that the loathing felt by some [[Minor Attracted People\|MAPs]], particularly [[boylovers]] towards feminists as a group is similar in magnitude to the derision which present day feminists show towards boy-attracted males. For an account of activism against the MAP-youth rights organization NAMBLA, written by a self-identified feminist, see the 1992 issue of Women's magazine ''Off Our Backs'' [[Media:Off_Our_Backs_-_1992_-_Anti-NAMBLA_Activism.pdf\|here]]. For a well-read and articulate feminist critique of common [[pro-c]] arguments, see the work of Sheila Jeffreys.<ref>See ‘PAEDOPHILIA’, in ''Anticlimax: A Feminist Perspective on the Sexual Revolution'' (1990), pp. 134-149.; CHAPTER 5 The Paedophile Liberation Movement, in ''Penile Imperialism: The Male Sex Right and Women's Subordination'' (2022).</ref>

	==Reasons for loathing of "feminism" among MAPs==		==Reasons for loathing of "feminism" among MAPs==

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Resisting Anti-Porn Feminism

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	Some feminist thought supportive of intergenerational rights came during what anthropologist [[Gayle Rubin]] called "The Feminist Sex Wars," where sex-positive feminists (e.g. Strossen<ref>[https://www.jstor.org/stable/1073402 Strossen 1993]</ref>,; Echols<ref>[https://doi.org/10.2307/466453 Echols, 1983]</ref>) resisted attempts to legally define all pornography as tantamount to rape (see [[Debate_Guide:_Porn_is_the_theory,_rape_is_its_practise\|"Porn is the theory, rape is its practise"]] and West<ref>[https://www.jstor.org/stable/828376 West, 1987]</ref>; Linz et al.<ref>[https://www.jstor.org/stable/828377 Linz, 1987]</ref>; Schauer<ref>[https://www.jstor.org/stable/828378 Schauer, 1987]</ref>; <ref>[https://openyls.law.yale.edu/handle/20.500.13051/7029 Fischel, 2010]</ref>) and prohibit/criminalize sex work (such feminists are now called "SWERFs"<ref>[https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/SWERF) SWERF - Wiktionary]</ref>) under the banner of "feminism." Some relevant readings below:		Some feminist thought supportive of intergenerational rights came during what anthropologist [[Gayle Rubin]] called "The Feminist Sex Wars," where sex-positive feminists (e.g. Strossen<ref>[https://www.jstor.org/stable/1073402 Strossen 1993]</ref>,; Echols<ref>[https://doi.org/10.2307/466453 Echols, 1983]</ref>) resisted attempts to legally define all pornography as tantamount to rape (see [[Debate_Guide:_Porn_is_the_theory,_rape_is_its_practise\|"Porn is the theory, rape is its practise"]] and West<ref>[https://www.jstor.org/stable/828376 West, 1987]</ref>; Linz et al.<ref>[https://www.jstor.org/stable/828377 Linz, 1987]</ref>; Schauer<ref>[https://www.jstor.org/stable/828378 Schauer, 1987]</ref>; <ref>[https://openyls.law.yale.edu/handle/20.500.13051/7029 Fischel, 2010]</ref>) and prohibit/criminalize sex work (such feminists are now called "SWERFs"<ref>[https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/SWERF) SWERF - Wiktionary]</ref>) under the banner of "feminism." Some relevant readings below:

	*Nettie Pollard, 'The Small Matter of Children,' in ''Bad Girls and Dirty Pictures: The Challenge to Reclaim Feminism'', ed. by Alison Assiter and Avedon Carol (Boulder, Colorado: Pluto Press, 1993), pp. 105-111.		*Nettie Pollard, 'The Small Matter of Children,' in ''Bad Girls and Dirty Pictures: The Challenge to Reclaim Feminism'', ed. by Alison Assiter and Avedon Carol (Boulder, Colorado: Pluto Press, 1993), pp. 105-111.<ref>''Bad Girls and Dirty Pictures: The Challenge to Reclaim Feminism'', ed. by Alison Assiter and Avedon Carol (Boulder, Colorado: Pluto Press, 1993). [[https://www.jstor.org/stable/jj.38401871.21 Jstor] link]. [[https://annas-archive.gl/md5/38138de0c0ef229d5cd9075b1661275a Annas Archive PDF] link].</ref>

	*Brenda Cossman, Shannon Bell, Lise Gotell, Becki Ross, ''Bad Attitude/s on Trial: Pornography, Feminism, and the Butler Decision'' (Toronto: University of Toronto Press, 1997). [[Shannon Bell]]'s chapter, ''The image cannot be seen'', includes her interview with [[Matthew McGowan]], a Canadian hustler and poet who stood trial for having filmed himself and 2 male friends who were 14-years-old and thus had reached the national [[age of consent]] at the time, engaging in [[Research:_Secondary_Harm#Self-appraisal_of_abuse,_Self-Perception_and_"Consent"\|mutually willing (consensual)]] vanilla sex the year prior, when McGowan was 22 years-old. Canadian law changed to make depictions of sexual activity involving people who appear to be under 18 illegal, meaning that their sex was legal but filming was not. In her chapter, Bell interprets Canada's then-recent change in porn law through the lens of moral panic, and criticizes the obfuscation, denial and silencing of young people's voices by 'expert' truth claims:		*Brenda Cossman, Shannon Bell, Lise Gotell, Becki Ross, ''Bad Attitude/s on Trial: Pornography, Feminism, and the Butler Decision'' (Toronto: University of Toronto Press, 1997). [[Shannon Bell]]'s chapter, ''The image cannot be seen'', includes her interview with [[Matthew McGowan]], a Canadian hustler and poet who stood trial for having filmed himself and 2 male friends who were 14-years-old and thus had reached the national [[age of consent]] at the time, engaging in [[Research:_Secondary_Harm#Self-appraisal_of_abuse,_Self-Perception_and_"Consent"\|mutually willing (consensual)]] vanilla sex the year prior, when McGowan was 22 years-old. Canadian law changed to make depictions of sexual activity involving people who appear to be under 18 illegal, meaning that their sex was legal but filming was not. In her chapter, Bell interprets Canada's then-recent change in porn law through the lens of moral panic, and criticizes the obfuscation, denial and silencing of young people's voices by 'expert' truth claims:

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	{{Template:Adj}}__NOTOC__'''Feminism''' is a belief-system based on a purported anti-oppression point of view as applied to the contemporary situation of women and historical abuses faced by women and other minorities. The feminist discourse is particularly concerned with equal rights, and in some cases, outright [[inequality\|equality]].		{{Template:Adj}}__NOTOC__'''Feminism''' is a belief-system based on a purported anti-oppression point of view as applied to the contemporary situation of women and historical abuses faced by women and other minorities. The feminist discourse is particularly concerned with equal rights, and in some cases, outright [[inequality\|equality]].

	Many of the most influential feminists of the 20th century have made supportive statements about minor-older erotic behavior, including [[Gayle Rubin]], [[Germaine Greer]], [[Kate Millett]], [[Simone de Beauvoir]], [[Shulamith Firestone]], [[Judith Butler]], and [[Andrea Dworkin]]. Whilst some other sex-positive and/or dissident feminists such as [[Jane Rule]], [[Camille Paglia]], [[Patrick Califia]], [[Nettie Pollard]], [[Judith Levine]], [[Yasmin Nair]], [[Beatrice_Faust\|Beatrice Faust]], [[Essay:Our Sexuality, Ourselves (Review of The Age Taboo in Gay Community News)\|Cindy Patton]], [[Stevi Jackson]], [[Katharina Rutschky]], [[Nina Power]], [[Heather Corinna]], [[Janice Irvine]], [[Sharon Lamb]] and [[Carol Tavris]], elaborate contrarian philosophies and anecdotes on the issue of adult-minor sexuality, since the 1970s the discourse has been increasingly used to condemn such sexual relationships on the basis that inequalities render them universally "abusive".		Many of the most influential feminists of the 20th century have made supportive statements about minor-older erotic behavior, including [[Gayle Rubin]], [[Germaine Greer]], [[Kate Millett]], [[Simone de Beauvoir]], [[Shulamith Firestone]], [[Judith Butler]], and [[Andrea Dworkin]]. Whilst some other sex-positive and/or dissident feminists such as [[Jane Rule]], [[Camille Paglia]], [[Patrick Califia]], [[Nettie Pollard]], [[Joan Nestle]], [[Judith Levine]], [[Yasmin Nair]], [[Beatrice_Faust\|Beatrice Faust]], [[Essay:Our Sexuality, Ourselves (Review of The Age Taboo in Gay Community News)\|Cindy Patton]], [[Stevi Jackson]], [[Katharina Rutschky]], [[Nina Power]], [[Heather Corinna]], [[Janice Irvine]], [[Sharon Lamb]] and [[Carol Tavris]], elaborate contrarian philosophies and anecdotes on the issue of adult-minor sexuality, since the 1970s the discourse has been increasingly used to condemn such sexual relationships on the basis that inequalities render them universally "abusive".

	At present, adjacent movements such as pro-sex work, sex-positive, and [[Wikipedia:Carceral feminism\|anti-carceral]] feminism are more likely to hold positions that pro-choice MAP and youth rights activists may hold, including the recognition that [[Research:_Commercial_and_online_sexual_exploitation\|minors choose and want]] to engage in sex and sex work, and that prisons and public registration for lawbreakers are ineffective strategies for reducing the incidence of unlawful erotic behavior, especially when law makes no distinctions between mutually willing eroticism and unwanted, violent assaults, and criminalizes minors for [[consent\|consensual]] erotic activity with other minors (Levine and Meiners<ref>[http://library.lol/main/13B331C61A42685FEE3ECF8BD1F0BD99 The Feminist and the Sex Offender]</ref> 2020; Taylor<ref>[https://wapercyfoundation.org/?page_id=1086 News & Resources: review – Taylor: ‘Foucault, Feminism, & Sex Crimes’]</ref> 2018).		At present, adjacent movements such as pro-sex work, sex-positive, and [[Wikipedia:Carceral feminism\|anti-carceral]] feminism are more likely to hold positions that pro-choice MAP and youth rights activists may hold, including the recognition that [[Research:_Commercial_and_online_sexual_exploitation\|minors choose and want]] to engage in sex and sex work, and that prisons and public registration for lawbreakers are ineffective strategies for reducing the incidence of unlawful erotic behavior, especially when law makes no distinctions between mutually willing eroticism and unwanted, violent assaults, and criminalizes minors for [[consent\|consensual]] erotic activity with other minors (Levine and Meiners<ref>[http://library.lol/main/13B331C61A42685FEE3ECF8BD1F0BD99 The Feminist and the Sex Offender]</ref> 2020; Taylor<ref>[https://wapercyfoundation.org/?page_id=1086 News & Resources: review – Taylor: ‘Foucault, Feminism, & Sex Crimes’]</ref> 2018).