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	His book ''Practising Desire'' (1996, reprinted 2020), draws at-length on his interviews with homosexual men.<ref>~~[https://annas-archive.gl/md5/60eb6c41c74e5b450140e2078f99a6f7~~ Gary W. Dowsett, ''Practicing Desire: Homosexual Sex in the Era of AIDS'' (Stanford University Press, 1996)]~~. (Annas Archive link)~~.</ref> The interviewees often refer to their first sexual experiences in their youth; often with peers or older schoolboys, but sometimes with older males. Dowsett details the nuanced, full spectrum of negative, mixed, and positive sexual experiences across the age spectrum. With many young males seeking sex in public parks, toilets, bars and places where boys could go to be picked up by men as “rent boys” (i.e. prostitutes), Dowsett documents the [[Research:_Secondary_Harm\|stigma and danger of being arrested]]<ref>See Harriet’s story of working as a transsexual prostitute. E.g. p. 102: "mum wanted to know where I got the money from. I think I told her. It was hysterical. ... [The police] took me into a room and they had someone look up my bum with a torch. I don't think it was a doctor. I think it was all just to frighten me."</ref> or [[Vigilantism\|physically attacked]] by homophobes which came with these experiences. As the book includes males who had same-sex experiences prior to the 1960s, interviewees discuss being [[Research:_The_Dangers_of_Stigma\|alienated and scared of the reactions of friends and colleagues]], experiences of being beaten and raped by homophobes, rejected and even chased at knife-point by parents,<ref>Barney, for example, was chased around his kitchen at knife-point by his mother (“I'll cut it off!”), after she discovered him engaging in sex play with another child. ''Ibid''. P. 14; p. 260</ref> and seeking therapy to cope with a hostile society.<ref>See the story of Ralph Coles, pp. 124-125.</ref>		His book ''Practising Desire'' (1996, reprinted 2020), draws at-length on his interviews with homosexual men.<ref>Gary W. Dowsett, ''Practicing Desire: Homosexual Sex in the Era of AIDS'' (Stanford University Press, 1996). Generally available for free via '''[[Help:Research_Resources#Information_Freedom_Companions\|OPTION 2]]''' in shadow libraries.</ref> The interviewees often refer to their first sexual experiences in their youth; often with peers or older schoolboys, but sometimes with older males. Dowsett details the nuanced, full spectrum of negative, mixed, and positive sexual experiences across the age spectrum. With many young males seeking sex in public parks, toilets, bars and places where boys could go to be picked up by men as “rent boys” (i.e. prostitutes), Dowsett documents the [[Research:_Secondary_Harm\|stigma and danger of being arrested]]<ref>See Harriet’s story of working as a transsexual prostitute. E.g. p. 102: "mum wanted to know where I got the money from. I think I told her. It was hysterical. ... [The police] took me into a room and they had someone look up my bum with a torch. I don't think it was a doctor. I think it was all just to frighten me."</ref> or [[Vigilantism\|physically attacked]] by homophobes which came with these experiences. As the book includes males who had same-sex experiences prior to the 1960s, interviewees discuss being [[Research:_The_Dangers_of_Stigma\|alienated and scared of the reactions of friends and colleagues]], experiences of being beaten and raped by homophobes, rejected and even chased at knife-point by parents,<ref>Barney, for example, was chased around his kitchen at knife-point by his mother (“I'll cut it off!”), after she discovered him engaging in sex play with another child. ''Ibid''. P. 14; p. 260</ref> and seeking therapy to cope with a hostile society.<ref>See the story of Ralph Coles, pp. 124-125.</ref>

	Under a section titled ‘Understanding the Sexuality of Boys and Young Men’, he cites [[PIE]] Chairperson [[Tom O'Carroll]]’s book [[Paedophilia: The Radical Case]] (1980), [[Theo Sandfort]]’s research on positive man/boy sexual relations, Daniel Tsang’s [[The Age Taboo]] (1981) and [[Chin-Keung_Li\|Li]], [[Donald_West\|West]] and Woodhouse's (1990) book. He also cites [[Thore Langfeldt]] (1981), [[Michel Foucault]], David Halperin, and discusses the [[Alfred_Kinsey\|Kinsey Reports]].<ref>''Ibid''. p. 246.</ref> The chapter notes the dominance of pederasty prior to the 1950s, referencing Greek myths such as Ganymedes, and early homosexual figures such as [[A_Problem_in_Greek_Ethics\|John Addington Symonds]] and [[Wilhelm von Gloeden]].<ref>''Ibid''. pp. 253-259.</ref>		Under a section titled ‘Understanding the Sexuality of Boys and Young Men’, he cites [[PIE]] Chairperson [[Tom O'Carroll]]’s book [[Paedophilia: The Radical Case]] (1980), [[Theo Sandfort]]’s research on positive man/boy sexual relations, Daniel Tsang’s [[The Age Taboo]] (1981) and [[Chin-Keung_Li\|Li]], [[Donald_West\|West]] and Woodhouse's (1990) book. He also cites [[Thore Langfeldt]] (1981), [[Michel Foucault]], David Halperin, and discusses the [[Alfred_Kinsey\|Kinsey Reports]].<ref>''Ibid''. p. 246.</ref> The chapter notes the dominance of pederasty prior to the 1950s, referencing Greek myths such as Ganymedes, and early homosexual figures such as [[A_Problem_in_Greek_Ethics\|John Addington Symonds]] and [[Wilhelm von Gloeden]].<ref>''Ibid''. pp. 253-259.</ref>

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	His book ''Practising Desire'' (1996, reprinted 2020), draws at-length on his interviews with homosexual men.<ref>[~~http~~://~~library~~.~~lol~~/~~main~~/~~0898B40BC251499C7B78CFF7D3BDDAB1~~ Gary W. Dowsett, ''Practicing Desire: Homosexual Sex in the Era of AIDS'' (Stanford University Press, 1996)]. (~~Libgen~~ link).</ref> The interviewees often refer to their first sexual experiences in their youth; often with peers or older schoolboys, but sometimes with older males. Dowsett details the nuanced, full spectrum of negative, mixed, and positive sexual experiences across the age spectrum. With many young males seeking sex in public parks, toilets, bars and places where boys could go to be picked up by men as “rent boys” (i.e. prostitutes), Dowsett documents the [[Research:_Secondary_Harm\|stigma and danger of being arrested]]<ref>See Harriet’s story of working as a transsexual prostitute. E.g. p. 102: "mum wanted to know where I got the money from. I think I told her. It was hysterical. ... [The police] took me into a room and they had someone look up my bum with a torch. I don't think it was a doctor. I think it was all just to frighten me."</ref> or [[Vigilantism\|physically attacked]] by homophobes which came with these experiences. As the book includes males who had same-sex experiences prior to the 1960s, interviewees discuss being [[Research:_The_Dangers_of_Stigma\|alienated and scared of the reactions of friends and colleagues]], experiences of being beaten and raped by homophobes, rejected and even chased at knife-point by parents,<ref>Barney, for example, was chased around his kitchen at knife-point by his mother (“I'll cut it off!”), after she discovered him engaging in sex play with another child. ''Ibid''. P. 14; p. 260</ref> and seeking therapy to cope with a hostile society.<ref>See the story of Ralph Coles, pp. 124-125.</ref>		His book ''Practising Desire'' (1996, reprinted 2020), draws at-length on his interviews with homosexual men.<ref>[https://annas-archive.gl/md5/60eb6c41c74e5b450140e2078f99a6f7 Gary W. Dowsett, ''Practicing Desire: Homosexual Sex in the Era of AIDS'' (Stanford University Press, 1996)]. (Annas Archive link).</ref> The interviewees often refer to their first sexual experiences in their youth; often with peers or older schoolboys, but sometimes with older males. Dowsett details the nuanced, full spectrum of negative, mixed, and positive sexual experiences across the age spectrum. With many young males seeking sex in public parks, toilets, bars and places where boys could go to be picked up by men as “rent boys” (i.e. prostitutes), Dowsett documents the [[Research:_Secondary_Harm\|stigma and danger of being arrested]]<ref>See Harriet’s story of working as a transsexual prostitute. E.g. p. 102: "mum wanted to know where I got the money from. I think I told her. It was hysterical. ... [The police] took me into a room and they had someone look up my bum with a torch. I don't think it was a doctor. I think it was all just to frighten me."</ref> or [[Vigilantism\|physically attacked]] by homophobes which came with these experiences. As the book includes males who had same-sex experiences prior to the 1960s, interviewees discuss being [[Research:_The_Dangers_of_Stigma\|alienated and scared of the reactions of friends and colleagues]], experiences of being beaten and raped by homophobes, rejected and even chased at knife-point by parents,<ref>Barney, for example, was chased around his kitchen at knife-point by his mother (“I'll cut it off!”), after she discovered him engaging in sex play with another child. ''Ibid''. P. 14; p. 260</ref> and seeking therapy to cope with a hostile society.<ref>See the story of Ralph Coles, pp. 124-125.</ref>

	Under a section titled ‘Understanding the Sexuality of Boys and Young Men’, he cites [[PIE]] Chairperson [[Tom O'Carroll]]’s book [[Paedophilia: The Radical Case]] (1980), [[Theo Sandfort]]’s research on positive man/boy sexual relations, Daniel Tsang’s [[The Age Taboo]] (1981) and [[Chin-Keung_Li\|Li]], [[Donald_West\|West]] and Woodhouse's (1990) book. He also cites [[Thore Langfeldt]] (1981), [[Michel Foucault]], David Halperin, and discusses the [[Alfred_Kinsey\|Kinsey Reports]].<ref>''Ibid''. p. 246.</ref> The chapter notes the dominance of pederasty prior to the 1950s, referencing Greek myths such as Ganymedes, and early homosexual figures such as [[A_Problem_in_Greek_Ethics\|John Addington Symonds]] and [[Wilhelm von Gloeden]].<ref>''Ibid''. pp. 253-259.</ref>		Under a section titled ‘Understanding the Sexuality of Boys and Young Men’, he cites [[PIE]] Chairperson [[Tom O'Carroll]]’s book [[Paedophilia: The Radical Case]] (1980), [[Theo Sandfort]]’s research on positive man/boy sexual relations, Daniel Tsang’s [[The Age Taboo]] (1981) and [[Chin-Keung_Li\|Li]], [[Donald_West\|West]] and Woodhouse's (1990) book. He also cites [[Thore Langfeldt]] (1981), [[Michel Foucault]], David Halperin, and discusses the [[Alfred_Kinsey\|Kinsey Reports]].<ref>''Ibid''. p. 246.</ref> The chapter notes the dominance of pederasty prior to the 1950s, referencing Greek myths such as Ganymedes, and early homosexual figures such as [[A_Problem_in_Greek_Ethics\|John Addington Symonds]] and [[Wilhelm von Gloeden]].<ref>''Ibid''. pp. 253-259.</ref>

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	Dowsett uses [[Gilbert Herdt]]'s research as evidence of support for age-gap same-sex eroticism in non-western cultures,<ref>''"[M]ost sex researchers looking at our own societies usually constitute male-to-male sexual activity among boys and between boys and men as deviant, marginal, abnormal. From this study a different picture emerges; one where a considerable number of adolescent (and occasionally younger) boys would seem to engage in sexual encounters of various kinds with other boys and, to a lesser degree, with men, in and outside family life. This homosexual activity is more commonplace and normal, even worthy of being thought of as ritualistic."'' - pp. 263-264.</ref> and argues that stigma and harsh legal penalties in Australia failed to prevent non-normative sexual activity; the participants just learnt to hide it better. On Harriet, for example, Doswett writes that "It did not prevent an even more open exploration of sex from age six or seven, again on a neighborhood scale and across generations for "ten cents a poke. No, hang on, a shillin'," with boys banging on his door demanding sex, particularly older boys, and as well as one of his father's mates."<ref>''Ibid''. p. 260.</ref> Through Barney's experiences, Dowsett challenged the 'abuse' label:		Dowsett uses [[Gilbert Herdt]]'s research as evidence of support for age-gap same-sex eroticism in non-western cultures,<ref>''"[M]ost sex researchers looking at our own societies usually constitute male-to-male sexual activity among boys and between boys and men as deviant, marginal, abnormal. From this study a different picture emerges; one where a considerable number of adolescent (and occasionally younger) boys would seem to engage in sexual encounters of various kinds with other boys and, to a lesser degree, with men, in and outside family life. This homosexual activity is more commonplace and normal, even worthy of being thought of as ritualistic."'' - pp. 263-264.</ref> and argues that stigma and harsh legal penalties in Australia failed to prevent non-normative sexual activity; the participants just learnt to hide it better. On Harriet, for example, Doswett writes that "It did not prevent an even more open exploration of sex from age six or seven, again on a neighborhood scale and across generations for "ten cents a poke. No, hang on, a shillin'," with boys banging on his door demanding sex, particularly older boys, and as well as one of his father's mates."<ref>''Ibid''. p. 260.</ref> Through Barney's experiences, Dowsett challenged the 'abuse' label:
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	''It would be tempting to cast the incidents with the school teacher, for example, as sexual abuse; an interpretation favored at present as the only way to understand intergenerational sex (see Maasen 1990). But there is a strong element of voluntarism in Barney's account; he was willing and he was able. What's more, he did not remain passive for long. He sought similar contact after school. [...] Barney's is not a classic example of a passive young man being "done"by exploitative adults. [... A]s he indicated, he went looking for it. [...] Barney's experiences may represent those of a significant minority of men and boys, most of whom do not become or remain homosexual.''<ref>''Ibid''. p. 262. "Barney's experiences may represent" etc. is from p. 264.</ref>		''It would be tempting to cast the incidents with the school teacher, for example, as sexual abuse; an interpretation favored at present as the only way to understand intergenerational sex (see Maasen 1990). But there is a strong element of voluntarism in Barney's account; he was willing and he was able. What's more, he did not remain passive for long. He sought similar contact after school. ''[...]'' Barney's is not a classic example of a passive young man being "done"by exploitative adults. ''[... A]''s he indicated, he went looking for it. ''[...]'' Barney's experiences may represent those of a significant minority of men and boys, most of whom do not become or remain homosexual.''<ref>''Ibid''. p. 262. "Barney's experiences may represent" etc. is from p. 264.</ref>
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	Dowsett has been cited by multiple scholars critical of the age taboo, including [[Richard Yuill]] (2010), and [[Terry Leahy]], the latter being a fellow Australian academic whose empirical research on positive age-gap sex Dowsett has noted.<ref>[https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/144078339302900107 Connell, Davis, and Dowsett. (March, 1993). A Bastard of a Life: Homosexual Desire and Practice among Men in Working-class Milieux. ''ANZJS'', 29:1, p. 117]. Quote: ''In the endless discussion of teenage sex, remarkably little is said about homosexual experience. Researchers, too, have been coy about this issue, partly because of moral panics about ’paedophiles’; Leahy’s (1992) recent contribution in this journal being a notable exception. Our interviewees reported patterns of childhood or adolescent sexuality in which male-to-male contact was common.''</ref> Yuill cited Dowsett's (2000) book chapter ''Bodyplay: Corporeality in a discursive silence'', which quotes from interviews Dowsett conducted with two homosexual men who recalled having male-male sex both before ''and'' after "gay" became legible to them as an identity category. Dowsett wrote:		Dowsett has been cited by multiple scholars critical of the age taboo, including [[Richard Yuill]] (2010), and [[Terry Leahy]], the latter being a fellow Australian academic whose empirical research on positive age-gap sex Dowsett has noted.<ref>[https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/144078339302900107 Connell, Davis, and Dowsett. (March, 1993). A Bastard of a Life: Homosexual Desire and Practice among Men in Working-class Milieux. ''ANZJS'', 29:1, p. 117]. Quote: ''In the endless discussion of teenage sex, remarkably little is said about homosexual experience. Researchers, too, have been coy about this issue, partly because of moral panics about ’paedophiles’; Leahy’s (1992) recent contribution in this journal being a notable exception. Our interviewees reported patterns of childhood or adolescent sexuality in which male-to-male contact was common.''</ref> Yuill cited Dowsett's (2000) book chapter ''Bodyplay: Corporeality in a discursive silence'', which quotes from interviews Dowsett conducted with two homosexual men who recalled having male-male sex both before ''and'' after "gay" became legible to them as an identity category. Dowsett wrote:
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	''Many other men I have interviewed over the last ten years of research reported [[Research:_Youth_sexuality\|similar childhood experiences]] — regular sex games with neighbors, with schoolmates, sometimes with older men. [...] Some reported learning from schoolmates of places (called in Australia "beats," and usually public parks or toilet blocks) to find sex with grown men and with other boys. Such sex play was not furtive, but was carried on away from the gaze of parents and adults. It was also a very sociable activity, collectively pursued, yet free from the preponderant discursive definition to which sexuality is often prone.''<ref>I.e. Until they got older, these young males didn't define their behavior or identify themselves as 'homosexual' or 'gay'. [https://library.lol/main/02B67FFB5919EAF35CEC67640A84C644 Dowsett, G. (2000). 'Bodyplay: Corporeality in a discursive silence'. In R. Parker, R. Barbosa, & P. Aggleton (Eds.), ''Framing the sexual subject: The politics of gender, sexuality and power''. University of California Press: 2023 Reprint Edition (pp. 31-32)]. (Libgen link).</ref>		''Many other men I have interviewed over the last ten years of research reported [[Research:_Youth_sexuality\|similar childhood experiences]] — regular sex games with neighbors, with schoolmates, sometimes with older men. ''[...]'' Some reported learning from schoolmates of places (called in Australia "beats," and usually public parks or toilet blocks) to find sex with grown men and with other boys. Such sex play was not furtive, but was carried on away from the gaze of parents and adults. It was also a very sociable activity, collectively pursued, yet free from the preponderant discursive definition to which sexuality is often prone.''<ref>I.e. Until they got older, these young males didn't define their behavior or identify themselves as 'homosexual' or 'gay'. [https://library.lol/main/02B67FFB5919EAF35CEC67640A84C644 Dowsett, G. (2000). 'Bodyplay: Corporeality in a discursive silence'. In R. Parker, R. Barbosa, & P. Aggleton (Eds.), ''Framing the sexual subject: The politics of gender, sexuality and power''. University of California Press: 2023 Reprint Edition (pp. 31-32)]. (Libgen link).</ref>
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	Under a section titled ‘Understanding the Sexuality of Boys and Young Men’, he cites [[PIE]] Chairperson [[Tom O'Carroll]]’s book [[Paedophilia: The Radical Case]] (1980), [[Theo Sandfort]]’s research on positive man/boy sexual relations, Daniel Tsang’s [[The Age Taboo]] (1981) and [[Chin-Keung_Li\|Li]], [[Donald_West\|West]] and Woodhouse's (1990) book. He also cites [[Thore Langfeldt]] (1981), [[Michel Foucault]], David Halperin, and discusses the [[Alfred_Kinsey\|Kinsey Reports]].<ref>''Ibid''. p. 246.</ref> The chapter notes the dominance of pederasty prior to the 1950s, referencing Greek myths such as Ganymedes, and early homosexual figures such as [[A_Problem_in_Greek_Ethics\|John Addington Symonds]] and [[Wilhelm von Gloeden]].<ref>''Ibid''. pp. 253-259.</ref>		Under a section titled ‘Understanding the Sexuality of Boys and Young Men’, he cites [[PIE]] Chairperson [[Tom O'Carroll]]’s book [[Paedophilia: The Radical Case]] (1980), [[Theo Sandfort]]’s research on positive man/boy sexual relations, Daniel Tsang’s [[The Age Taboo]] (1981) and [[Chin-Keung_Li\|Li]], [[Donald_West\|West]] and Woodhouse's (1990) book. He also cites [[Thore Langfeldt]] (1981), [[Michel Foucault]], David Halperin, and discusses the [[Alfred_Kinsey\|Kinsey Reports]].<ref>''Ibid''. p. 246.</ref> The chapter notes the dominance of pederasty prior to the 1950s, referencing Greek myths such as Ganymedes, and early homosexual figures such as [[A_Problem_in_Greek_Ethics\|John Addington Symonds]] and [[Wilhelm von Gloeden]].<ref>''Ibid''. pp. 253-259.</ref>

	Dowsett uses [[Gilbert Herdt]]'s research as evidence of support for age-gap same-sex eroticism in non-western cultures,<ref>''"[M]ost sex researchers looking at our own societies usually constitute male-to-male sexual activity among boys and between boys and men as deviant, marginal, abnormal. From this study a different picture emerges; one where a considerable number of adolescent (and occasionally younger) boys would seem to engage in sexual encounters of various kinds with other boys and, to a lesser degree, with men, in and outside family life. This homosexual activity is more commonplace and normal, even worthy of being thought of as ritualistic."'' - pp. 263-264.</ref> and argues that stigma and harsh legal penalties in Australia failed to prevent non-normative sexual activity; the participants just learnt to hide it better. On Harriet, for example, Doswett writes that "It did not prevent an even more open exploration of sex from age six or seven, again on a neighborhood scale and across generations for "ten cents a poke. No, hang on, a shillin'," with boys banging on his door demanding sex, particularly older boys, and as well as one of his father's mates."<ref>''Ibid''. p. 260.</ref> ~~Though~~ Barney's experiences, Dowsett challenged the 'abuse' label:		Dowsett uses [[Gilbert Herdt]]'s research as evidence of support for age-gap same-sex eroticism in non-western cultures,<ref>''"[M]ost sex researchers looking at our own societies usually constitute male-to-male sexual activity among boys and between boys and men as deviant, marginal, abnormal. From this study a different picture emerges; one where a considerable number of adolescent (and occasionally younger) boys would seem to engage in sexual encounters of various kinds with other boys and, to a lesser degree, with men, in and outside family life. This homosexual activity is more commonplace and normal, even worthy of being thought of as ritualistic."'' - pp. 263-264.</ref> and argues that stigma and harsh legal penalties in Australia failed to prevent non-normative sexual activity; the participants just learnt to hide it better. On Harriet, for example, Doswett writes that "It did not prevent an even more open exploration of sex from age six or seven, again on a neighborhood scale and across generations for "ten cents a poke. No, hang on, a shillin'," with boys banging on his door demanding sex, particularly older boys, and as well as one of his father's mates."<ref>''Ibid''. p. 260.</ref> Through Barney's experiences, Dowsett challenged the 'abuse' label:
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	''It would be tempting to cast the incidents with the school teacher, for example, as sexual abuse; an interpretation favored at present as the only way to understand intergenerational sex (see Maasen 1990). But there is a strong element of voluntarism in Barney's account; he was willing and he was able. What's more, he did not remain passive for long. He sought similar contact after school. [...] Barney's is not a classic example of a passive young man being "done"by exploitative adults. [... A]s he indicated, he went looking for it. [...] Barney's experiences may represent those of a significant minority of men and boys, most of whom do not become or remain homosexual.''<ref>''Ibid''. p. 262. "Barney's experiences may represent" etc. is from p. 264.</ref>		''It would be tempting to cast the incidents with the school teacher, for example, as sexual abuse; an interpretation favored at present as the only way to understand intergenerational sex (see Maasen 1990). But there is a strong element of voluntarism in Barney's account; he was willing and he was able. What's more, he did not remain passive for long. He sought similar contact after school. [...] Barney's is not a classic example of a passive young man being "done"by exploitative adults. [... A]s he indicated, he went looking for it. [...] Barney's experiences may represent those of a significant minority of men and boys, most of whom do not become or remain homosexual.''<ref>''Ibid''. p. 262. "Barney's experiences may represent" etc. is from p. 264.</ref>

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	''We need to look beyond these crude categories, which overlay sexuality with a paradigm of inevitable power, often invoked against empirical evidence (as in specious debates on pedophilia and pornography).''<ref>''Ibid''., p. 44.</ref>		''We need to look beyond these crude categories, which overlay sexuality with [[Debate_Guide:_Power_disparity\|a paradigm of inevitable power]], often invoked against empirical evidence (as in specious debates on [[pedophilia]] and [[Research:_The_effects_of_pornography\|pornography]]).''<ref>''Ibid''., p. 44.</ref>
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	A year earlier, Dowsett had written on the topic with 'Old Traps for New Players' (1981), published in the same magazine.<ref>Gary Dowsett, 'Old Traps for New Players', ''Gay Information'', no. 8 (1981): 26-8.</ref> According to [[Steven Angelides]], in this piece, Dowsett "declared that [...] the official Australian debate on paedophilia had been launched" after the publication of criminologist Paul Wilson's (1981) book on [[Clarence Osborne]].<ref>Dowsett, 'Old Traps for New Players', 26. Quoted in [https://doi.org/10.1080/10314610508682924 Steven Angelides, (2005). The emergence of the paedophile in the late twentieth century, ''Historical Studies'', 36:126, 272-295 (290)].</ref> Two years later, Dowsett authored 'Monsters or Mentors' (1983) in the gay journal ''Outrage''.<ref>Garry Dowsett, ‘Monsters or Mentors’, ''Outrage'', 2 May 1983.</ref>		A year earlier, Dowsett had written on the topic with 'Old Traps for New Players' (1981), published in the same magazine.<ref>Gary Dowsett, 'Old Traps for New Players', ''Gay Information'', no. 8 (1981): 26-8.</ref> According to [[Steven Angelides]], in this piece, Dowsett "declared that [...] the official Australian debate on paedophilia had been launched" after the publication of criminologist Paul Wilson's (1981) book on [[Clarence Osborne]].<ref>Dowsett, 'Old Traps for New Players', 26. Quoted in [https://doi.org/10.1080/10314610508682924 Steven Angelides, (2005). The emergence of the paedophile in the late twentieth century, ''Historical Studies'', 36:126, 272-295 (290)].</ref> Two years later, Dowsett authored 'Monsters or Mentors' (1983) in the gay journal ''Outrage''.<ref>Garry Dowsett, ‘Monsters or Mentors’, ''Outrage'', 2 May 1983.</ref>

	Dowsett has been cited by multiple scholars critical of the age taboo, including [[Richard Yuill]] (2010), and [[Terry Leahy]], the latter being a fellow Australian academic whose empirical research on positive age-gap sex Dowsett has noted.<ref>[https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/144078339302900107 Connell, Davis, and Dowsett. (March, 1993). A Bastard of a Life: Homosexual Desire and Practice among Men in Working-class Milieux. ''ANZJS'', 29:1, p. 117]. Quote: ''In the endless discussion of teenage sex, remarkably little is said about homosexual experience. Researchers, too, have been coy about this issue, partly because of moral panics about ’paedophiles’; Leahy’s (1992) recent contribution in this journal being a notable exception. Our interviewees reported patterns of childhood or adolescent sexuality in which male-to-male contact was common.''</ref> Yuill cited Dowsett's (2000) book chapter ''Bodyplay: Corporeality in a discursive silence'', which quotes from interviews Dowsett conducted with two homosexual men who recalled having male-male sex both before ''and'' after "gay" became legible to them as an identity category~~. The interviewees recalled sexual experiences in childhood~~. Dowsett wrote:		Dowsett has been cited by multiple scholars critical of the age taboo, including [[Richard Yuill]] (2010), and [[Terry Leahy]], the latter being a fellow Australian academic whose empirical research on positive age-gap sex Dowsett has noted.<ref>[https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/144078339302900107 Connell, Davis, and Dowsett. (March, 1993). A Bastard of a Life: Homosexual Desire and Practice among Men in Working-class Milieux. ''ANZJS'', 29:1, p. 117]. Quote: ''In the endless discussion of teenage sex, remarkably little is said about homosexual experience. Researchers, too, have been coy about this issue, partly because of moral panics about ’paedophiles’; Leahy’s (1992) recent contribution in this journal being a notable exception. Our interviewees reported patterns of childhood or adolescent sexuality in which male-to-male contact was common.''</ref> Yuill cited Dowsett's (2000) book chapter ''Bodyplay: Corporeality in a discursive silence'', which quotes from interviews Dowsett conducted with two homosexual men who recalled having male-male sex both before ''and'' after "gay" became legible to them as an identity category. Dowsett wrote:
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	''Many other men I have interviewed over the last ten years of research reported similar childhood ~~experiences—regular~~ sex games with neighbors, with schoolmates, sometimes with older men. [...] Some reported learning from schoolmates of places (called in Australia "beats," and usually public parks or toilet blocks) to find sex with grown men and with other boys. Such sex play was not furtive, but was carried on away from the gaze of parents and adults. It was also a very sociable activity, collectively pursued, yet free from the preponderant discursive definition to which sexuality is often prone.''<ref>I.e. Until they got older, these young males didn't define their behavior or identify themselves as 'homosexual' or 'gay'. [https://library.lol/main/02B67FFB5919EAF35CEC67640A84C644 Dowsett, G. (2000). 'Bodyplay: Corporeality in a discursive silence'. In R. Parker, R. Barbosa, & P. Aggleton (Eds.), ''Framing the sexual subject: The politics of gender, sexuality and power''. University of California Press: 2023 Reprint Edition (pp. 31-32)]. (Libgen link).</ref>		''Many other men I have interviewed over the last ten years of research reported [[Research:_Youth_sexuality\|similar childhood experiences]] — regular sex games with neighbors, with schoolmates, sometimes with older men. [...] Some reported learning from schoolmates of places (called in Australia "beats," and usually public parks or toilet blocks) to find sex with grown men and with other boys. Such sex play was not furtive, but was carried on away from the gaze of parents and adults. It was also a very sociable activity, collectively pursued, yet free from the preponderant discursive definition to which sexuality is often prone.''<ref>I.e. Until they got older, these young males didn't define their behavior or identify themselves as 'homosexual' or 'gay'. [https://library.lol/main/02B67FFB5919EAF35CEC67640A84C644 Dowsett, G. (2000). 'Bodyplay: Corporeality in a discursive silence'. In R. Parker, R. Barbosa, & P. Aggleton (Eds.), ''Framing the sexual subject: The politics of gender, sexuality and power''. University of California Press: 2023 Reprint Edition (pp. 31-32)]. (Libgen link).</ref>
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	~~In his~~ book ''Practising Desire'' (1996, reprinted 2020), ~~Dowsett~~ draws on interviews with homosexual men ~~to discuss their life history before and after gay liberation and the rise of AIDS/HIV~~.<ref>[http://library.lol/main/0898B40BC251499C7B78CFF7D3BDDAB1 Gary W. Dowsett, ''Practicing Desire: Homosexual Sex in the Era of AIDS'' (Stanford University Press, 1996)]. (Libgen link).</ref> The interviewees often refer to their first sexual experiences in their youth; often with peers or older schoolboys, but sometimes with older males. Dowsett details the nuanced, full spectrum of negative, mixed, and positive sexual experiences across the age spectrum ~~for males~~. With many young males seeking sex in public parks, toilets, bars and places where boys could go to be picked up by men as “rent boys” (i.e. prostitutes), Dowsett documents the stigma and danger of being arrested<ref>See Harriet’s story of working as a transsexual prostitute. E.g. p. 102: "mum wanted to know where I got the money from. I think I told her. It was hysterical. ... [The police] took me into a room and they had someone look up my bum with a torch. I don't think it was a doctor. I think it was all just to frighten me."</ref> or physically attacked by homophobes which came with these experiences. As the book includes males who had same-sex experiences prior to the 1960s, interviewees discuss being alienated and scared of the reactions of friends and colleagues, experiences of being beaten and raped by homophobes, rejected and even chased at knife-point by parents,<ref>Barney, for example, was chased around his kitchen at knife-point by his mother (“I'll cut it off!”), after she discovered him engaging in sex play with another child. ''Ibid''. P. 14; p. 260</ref> and seeking therapy to cope with a hostile society.<ref>See the story of Ralph Coles, pp. 124-125.</ref>		His book ''Practising Desire'' (1996, reprinted 2020), draws at-length on his interviews with homosexual men.<ref>[http://library.lol/main/0898B40BC251499C7B78CFF7D3BDDAB1 Gary W. Dowsett, ''Practicing Desire: Homosexual Sex in the Era of AIDS'' (Stanford University Press, 1996)]. (Libgen link).</ref> The interviewees often refer to their first sexual experiences in their youth; often with peers or older schoolboys, but sometimes with older males. Dowsett details the nuanced, full spectrum of negative, mixed, and positive sexual experiences across the age spectrum. With many young males seeking sex in public parks, toilets, bars and places where boys could go to be picked up by men as “rent boys” (i.e. prostitutes), Dowsett documents the [[Research:_Secondary_Harm\|stigma and danger of being arrested]]<ref>See Harriet’s story of working as a transsexual prostitute. E.g. p. 102: "mum wanted to know where I got the money from. I think I told her. It was hysterical. ... [The police] took me into a room and they had someone look up my bum with a torch. I don't think it was a doctor. I think it was all just to frighten me."</ref> or [[Vigilantism\|physically attacked]] by homophobes which came with these experiences. As the book includes males who had same-sex experiences prior to the 1960s, interviewees discuss being [[Research:_The_Dangers_of_Stigma\|alienated and scared of the reactions of friends and colleagues]], experiences of being beaten and raped by homophobes, rejected and even chased at knife-point by parents,<ref>Barney, for example, was chased around his kitchen at knife-point by his mother (“I'll cut it off!”), after she discovered him engaging in sex play with another child. ''Ibid''. P. 14; p. 260</ref> and seeking therapy to cope with a hostile society.<ref>See the story of Ralph Coles, pp. 124-125.</ref>

	Under a section titled ‘Understanding the Sexuality of Boys and Young Men’, he cites [[PIE]] Chairperson [[Tom O'Carroll]]’s book [[Paedophilia: The Radical Case]] (1980), [[Theo Sandfort]]’s research on positive man/boy sexual relations, Daniel Tsang’s [[The Age Taboo]] (1981) and [[Chin-Keung_Li\|Li]], [[Donald_West\|West]] and Woodhouse's (1990) book. He also cites [[Thore Langfeldt]] (1981), [[Michel Foucault]], David Halperin, and discusses the [[Alfred_Kinsey\|Kinsey Reports]].<ref>''Ibid''. p. 246.</ref> The chapter notes the dominance of pederasty prior to the 1950s, referencing Greek myths such as Ganymedes, and early homosexual figures such as [[A_Problem_in_Greek_Ethics\|John Addington Symonds]] and [[Wilhelm von Gloeden]].<ref>''Ibid''. pp. 253-259.</ref>		Under a section titled ‘Understanding the Sexuality of Boys and Young Men’, he cites [[PIE]] Chairperson [[Tom O'Carroll]]’s book [[Paedophilia: The Radical Case]] (1980), [[Theo Sandfort]]’s research on positive man/boy sexual relations, Daniel Tsang’s [[The Age Taboo]] (1981) and [[Chin-Keung_Li\|Li]], [[Donald_West\|West]] and Woodhouse's (1990) book. He also cites [[Thore Langfeldt]] (1981), [[Michel Foucault]], David Halperin, and discusses the [[Alfred_Kinsey\|Kinsey Reports]].<ref>''Ibid''. p. 246.</ref> The chapter notes the dominance of pederasty prior to the 1950s, referencing Greek myths such as Ganymedes, and early homosexual figures such as [[A_Problem_in_Greek_Ethics\|John Addington Symonds]] and [[Wilhelm von Gloeden]].<ref>''Ibid''. pp. 253-259.</ref>

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	In his book ''Practising Desire'' (1996, reprinted 2020), Dowsett draws on interviews with homosexual men to discuss their life history before and after gay liberation and the rise of AIDS/HIV. The interviewees often refer to their first sexual experiences in their youth; often with peers or older schoolboys, but sometimes with older males. Dowsett details the nuanced, full spectrum of negative, mixed, and positive sexual experiences across the age spectrum for males. With many young males seeking sex in public parks, toilets, bars and places where boys could go to be picked up by men as “rent boys” (i.e. prostitutes), Dowsett documents the stigma and danger of being arrested<ref>See Harriet’s story of working as a transsexual prostitute. E.g. p. 102: "mum wanted to know where I got the money from. I think I told her. It was hysterical. ... [The police] took me into a room and they had someone look up my bum with a torch. I don't think it was a doctor. I think it was all just to frighten me."</ref> or physically attacked by homophobes which came with these experiences. As the book includes males who had same-sex experiences prior to the 1960s, interviewees discuss being alienated and scared of the reactions of friends and colleagues, experiences of being beaten and raped by homophobes, rejected and even chased at knife-point by parents,<ref>Barney, for example, was chased around his kitchen at knife-point by his mother (“I'll cut it off!”), after she discovered him engaging in sex play with another child. ''Ibid''. P. 14; p. 260</ref> and seeking therapy to cope with a hostile society.<ref>See the story of Ralph Coles, pp. 124-125.</ref>		In his book ''Practising Desire'' (1996, reprinted 2020), Dowsett draws on interviews with homosexual men to discuss their life history before and after gay liberation and the rise of AIDS/HIV.<ref>[http://library.lol/main/0898B40BC251499C7B78CFF7D3BDDAB1 Gary W. Dowsett, ''Practicing Desire: Homosexual Sex in the Era of AIDS'' (Stanford University Press, 1996)]. (Libgen link).</ref> The interviewees often refer to their first sexual experiences in their youth; often with peers or older schoolboys, but sometimes with older males. Dowsett details the nuanced, full spectrum of negative, mixed, and positive sexual experiences across the age spectrum for males. With many young males seeking sex in public parks, toilets, bars and places where boys could go to be picked up by men as “rent boys” (i.e. prostitutes), Dowsett documents the stigma and danger of being arrested<ref>See Harriet’s story of working as a transsexual prostitute. E.g. p. 102: "mum wanted to know where I got the money from. I think I told her. It was hysterical. ... [The police] took me into a room and they had someone look up my bum with a torch. I don't think it was a doctor. I think it was all just to frighten me."</ref> or physically attacked by homophobes which came with these experiences. As the book includes males who had same-sex experiences prior to the 1960s, interviewees discuss being alienated and scared of the reactions of friends and colleagues, experiences of being beaten and raped by homophobes, rejected and even chased at knife-point by parents,<ref>Barney, for example, was chased around his kitchen at knife-point by his mother (“I'll cut it off!”), after she discovered him engaging in sex play with another child. ''Ibid''. P. 14; p. 260</ref> and seeking therapy to cope with a hostile society.<ref>See the story of Ralph Coles, pp. 124-125.</ref>

	Under a section titled ‘Understanding the Sexuality of Boys and Young Men’, he cites [[PIE]] Chairperson [[Tom O'Carroll]]’s book [[Paedophilia: The Radical Case]] (1980), [[Theo Sandfort]]’s research on positive man/boy sexual relations, Daniel Tsang’s [[The Age Taboo]] (1981) and [[Chin-Keung_Li\|Li]], [[Donald_West\|West]] and Woodhouse's (1990) book. He also cites [[Thore Langfeldt]] (1981), [[Michel Foucault]], David Halperin, and discusses the [[Alfred_Kinsey\|Kinsey Reports]].<ref>''Ibid''. p. 246.</ref> The chapter notes the dominance of pederasty prior to the 1950s, referencing Greek myths such as Ganymedes, and early homosexual figures such as [[A_Problem_in_Greek_Ethics\|John Addington Symonds]] and [[Wilhelm von Gloeden]].<ref>''Ibid''. pp. 253-259.</ref>		Under a section titled ‘Understanding the Sexuality of Boys and Young Men’, he cites [[PIE]] Chairperson [[Tom O'Carroll]]’s book [[Paedophilia: The Radical Case]] (1980), [[Theo Sandfort]]’s research on positive man/boy sexual relations, Daniel Tsang’s [[The Age Taboo]] (1981) and [[Chin-Keung_Li\|Li]], [[Donald_West\|West]] and Woodhouse's (1990) book. He also cites [[Thore Langfeldt]] (1981), [[Michel Foucault]], David Halperin, and discusses the [[Alfred_Kinsey\|Kinsey Reports]].<ref>''Ibid''. p. 246.</ref> The chapter notes the dominance of pederasty prior to the 1950s, referencing Greek myths such as Ganymedes, and early homosexual figures such as [[A_Problem_in_Greek_Ethics\|John Addington Symonds]] and [[Wilhelm von Gloeden]].<ref>''Ibid''. pp. 253-259.</ref>

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 Dowsett has been cited by multiple scholars critical of the age taboo, including [[Richard Yuill]] (2010), and [[Terry Leahy]], the latter being a fellow Australian academic whose empirical research on positive age-gap sex Dowsett has noted.<ref>[https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/144078339302900107 Connell, Davis, and Dowsett. (March, 1993). A Bastard of a Life: Homosexual Desire and Practice among Men in Working-class Milieux. ''ANZJS'', 29:1, p. 117]. Quote: ''In the endless discussion of teenage sex, remarkably little is said about homosexual experience. Researchers, too, have been coy about this issue, partly because of moral panics about ’paedophiles’; Leahy’s (1992) recent contribution in this journal being a notable exception. Our interviewees reported patterns of childhood or adolescent sexuality in which male-to-male contact was common.''</ref> Yuill cited Dowsett's (2000) book chapter ''Bodyplay: Corporeality in a discursive silence'', which quotes from interviews Dowsett conducted with two homosexual men who recalled having male-male sex both before ''and'' after "gay" became legible to them as an identity category. The interviewees  recalled sexual experiences in childhood. Dowsett wrote:
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-''Many other men I have interviewed over the last ten years of research reported similar childhood experiences—regular sex games with neighbors, with schoolmates, sometimes with older men. [...] Some reported learning from schoolmates of places (called in Australia "beats," and usually public parks or toilet blocks) to find sex with grown men and with other boys. Such sex play was not furtive, but was carried on away from the gaze of parents and adults. It was also a very sociable activity, collectively pursued, yet free from the preponderant discursive definition to which sexuality is often prone.''<ref>[https://library.lol/main/02B67FFB5919EAF35CEC67640A84C644 Dowsett, G. (2000). 'Bodyplay: Corporeality in a discursive silence'. In R. Parker, R. Barbosa, & P. Aggleton (Eds.), ''Framing the sexual subject: The politics of gender, sexuality and power''. University of California Press: 2023 Reprint Edition (pp. 31-32)]. (Libgen link).</ref>
+''Many other men I have interviewed over the last ten years of research reported similar childhood experiences—regular sex games with neighbors, with schoolmates, sometimes with older men. [...] Some reported learning from schoolmates of places (called in Australia "beats," and usually public parks or toilet blocks) to find sex with grown men and with other boys. Such sex play was not furtive, but was carried on away from the gaze of parents and adults. It was also a very sociable activity, collectively pursued, yet free from the preponderant discursive definition to which sexuality is often prone.''<ref>I.e. Until they got older, these young males didn't define their behavior or identify themselves as 'homosexual' or 'gay'. [https://library.lol/main/02B67FFB5919EAF35CEC67640A84C644 Dowsett, G. (2000). 'Bodyplay: Corporeality in a discursive silence'. In R. Parker, R. Barbosa, & P. Aggleton (Eds.), ''Framing the sexual subject: The politics of gender, sexuality and power''. University of California Press: 2023 Reprint Edition (pp. 31-32)]. (Libgen link).</ref>
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 Dowsett is a colleague, and associated with, Professor [[Steven Angelides]]. An early leader in the theoretical field of Critical Sexuality Studies, Dowsett co-founded the ''International Association for the Study of Sexuality, Culture and Society'', and served on the editorial board of [[Ken Plummer]]'s ''Sexualities'' journal. After the emergence of the HIV epidemic in the early 1980s, Dowsett became active in the community-based response to HIV. He was one of the founding members of ACON (formerly the AIDS Council of NSW) in 1985 and, from 1986, he coordinated the first of many social research projects on gay men and HIV in Australia. He continued to work in the fields of education, health, sexuality, and gender, with HIV/AIDS becoming the focus of much of his research for the next 40 years.<ref>[https://www.latrobe.edu.au/news/announcements/2019/celebrating-the-career-of-professor-gary-dowsett Celebrating the career of Professor Gary Dowsett] - La Trobe University (2019).</ref>

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	A year earlier, Dowsett had written on the topic with 'Old Traps for New Players' (1981), published in the same magazine.<ref>Gary Dowsett, 'Old Traps for New Players', ''Gay Information'', no. 8 (1981): 26-8.</ref> According to [[Steven Angelides]], in this piece, Dowsett "declared that [...] the official Australian debate on paedophilia had been launched" after the publication of criminologist Paul Wilson's (1981) book on [[Clarence Osborne]].<ref>Dowsett, 'Old Traps for New Players', 26. Quoted in [https://doi.org/10.1080/10314610508682924 Steven Angelides, (2005). The emergence of the paedophile in the late twentieth century, ''Historical Studies'', 36:126, 272-295 (290)].</ref> Two years later, Dowsett authored 'Monsters or Mentors' (1983) in the gay journal ''Outrage''.<ref>Garry Dowsett, ‘Monsters or Mentors’, ''Outrage'', 2 May 1983.</ref>		A year earlier, Dowsett had written on the topic with 'Old Traps for New Players' (1981), published in the same magazine.<ref>Gary Dowsett, 'Old Traps for New Players', ''Gay Information'', no. 8 (1981): 26-8.</ref> According to [[Steven Angelides]], in this piece, Dowsett "declared that [...] the official Australian debate on paedophilia had been launched" after the publication of criminologist Paul Wilson's (1981) book on [[Clarence Osborne]].<ref>Dowsett, 'Old Traps for New Players', 26. Quoted in [https://doi.org/10.1080/10314610508682924 Steven Angelides, (2005). The emergence of the paedophile in the late twentieth century, ''Historical Studies'', 36:126, 272-295 (290)].</ref> Two years later, Dowsett authored 'Monsters or Mentors' (1983) in the gay journal ''Outrage''.<ref>Garry Dowsett, ‘Monsters or Mentors’, ''Outrage'', 2 May 1983.</ref>

	Dowsett has been cited by multiple scholars critical of the age taboo, including [[Richard Yuill]] (2010), and [[Terry Leahy]], the latter being a fellow Australian academic whose empirical research on positive age-gap sex Dowsett has noted.<ref>[https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/144078339302900107 Connell, Davis, and Dowsett. (March, 1993). A Bastard of a Life: Homosexual Desire and Practice among Men in Working-class Milieux. ''ANZJS'', 29:1, p. 117]. Quote: ''In the endless discussion of teenage sex, remarkably little is said about homosexual experience. Researchers, too, have been coy about this issue, partly because of moral panics about ’paedophiles’; Leahy’s (1992) recent contribution in this journal being a notable exception. Our interviewees reported patterns of childhood or adolescent sexuality in which male-to-male contact was common.''</ref> Yuill cited Dowsett's (2000) book chapter ''Bodyplay: Corporeality in a discursive silence'', which quotes from ~~interview~~ Dowsett conducted with two homosexual men who recalled having male-male sex both before ''and'' after "gay" became legible to them as an identity category. ~~Partly, "gay" was popularized by gay liberation, but the~~ interviewees ~~also~~ recalled sexual experiences in childhood. Dowsett wrote:		Dowsett has been cited by multiple scholars critical of the age taboo, including [[Richard Yuill]] (2010), and [[Terry Leahy]], the latter being a fellow Australian academic whose empirical research on positive age-gap sex Dowsett has noted.<ref>[https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/144078339302900107 Connell, Davis, and Dowsett. (March, 1993). A Bastard of a Life: Homosexual Desire and Practice among Men in Working-class Milieux. ''ANZJS'', 29:1, p. 117]. Quote: ''In the endless discussion of teenage sex, remarkably little is said about homosexual experience. Researchers, too, have been coy about this issue, partly because of moral panics about ’paedophiles’; Leahy’s (1992) recent contribution in this journal being a notable exception. Our interviewees reported patterns of childhood or adolescent sexuality in which male-to-male contact was common.''</ref> Yuill cited Dowsett's (2000) book chapter ''Bodyplay: Corporeality in a discursive silence'', which quotes from interviews Dowsett conducted with two homosexual men who recalled having male-male sex both before ''and'' after "gay" became legible to them as an identity category. The interviewees recalled sexual experiences in childhood. Dowsett wrote:
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	''Many other men I have interviewed over the last ten years of research reported similar childhood experiences—regular sex games with neighbors, with schoolmates, sometimes with older men. [...] Some reported learning from schoolmates of places (called in Australia "beats," and usually public parks or toilet blocks) to find sex with grown men and with other boys. Such sex play was not furtive, but was carried on away from the gaze of parents and adults. It was also a very sociable activity, collectively pursued, yet free from the preponderant discursive definition to which sexuality is often prone.''<ref>[https://library.lol/main/02B67FFB5919EAF35CEC67640A84C644 Dowsett, G. (2000). 'Bodyplay: Corporeality in a discursive silence'. In R. Parker, R. Barbosa, & P. Aggleton (Eds.), ''Framing the sexual subject: The politics of gender, sexuality and power''. University of California Press: 2023 Reprint Edition (pp. 31-32)]. (Libgen link).</ref>		''Many other men I have interviewed over the last ten years of research reported similar childhood experiences—regular sex games with neighbors, with schoolmates, sometimes with older men. [...] Some reported learning from schoolmates of places (called in Australia "beats," and usually public parks or toilet blocks) to find sex with grown men and with other boys. Such sex play was not furtive, but was carried on away from the gaze of parents and adults. It was also a very sociable activity, collectively pursued, yet free from the preponderant discursive definition to which sexuality is often prone.''<ref>[https://library.lol/main/02B67FFB5919EAF35CEC67640A84C644 Dowsett, G. (2000). 'Bodyplay: Corporeality in a discursive silence'. In R. Parker, R. Barbosa, & P. Aggleton (Eds.), ''Framing the sexual subject: The politics of gender, sexuality and power''. University of California Press: 2023 Reprint Edition (pp. 31-32)]. (Libgen link).</ref>