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Jim Burton: /* Q: Does Newgon "circulate accounts justifying child molestation"? */

2026-05-08T23:29:02Z

Q: Does Newgon "circulate accounts justifying child molestation"?

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	Maybe after "finding" our written histories, these "journalists" accidentally became aroused, then did a double-take, got angry about it and rage-quit. Subsequently, they might have then fabricated an excuse for their anger big enough to paper over the rock of their arousal, hence the glib idea that what they had just read "justified molestation".		Maybe after "finding" our written histories, these "journalists" accidentally became aroused, then did a double-take, got angry about it and rage-quit. Subsequently, they might have then fabricated an excuse for their anger big enough to paper over the rock of their arousal, hence the glib idea that what they had just read "justified molestation".

	If this is indeed the case, for such a person we truly have no words. Perhaps a degree of sympathy is called for.		If this is indeed the case, for such a person we truly have no words. Perhaps a degree of sympathy is called for, since we do not intend to titillate the reader, nor imply that such things are OK to go out and do in the wild.

	But to address the claim factually, most of the younger subjects in our lived experiences section are adolescents and not children. Our own [[Ethos of Newgon\|ethos]] does not include prepubertal children in its non-binding, but detailed proposal for age of consent reform.		But to address the claim factually, most of the younger subjects in our lived experiences section are adolescents and not children. Our own [[Ethos of Newgon\|ethos]] does not include prepubertal children in its non-binding, but detailed proposal for age of consent reform.

Jim Burton: /* Q: How did Newgon end up on Wikipedia's "pedophile hitlist"? */

2026-05-08T23:26:40Z

Q: How did Newgon end up on Wikipedia's "pedophile hitlist"?

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	'''A: Journalists defamed us.'''		'''A: Journalists defamed us.'''

	A hit list might be a somewhat dramatic way of describing Wikipedia's article, but given the popularity of Wikipedia with the three letter agencies, and the number of administrators who are also members of the intelligence community, we were nonplussed to say the least when we first appeared on the listicle.		A hit list might be a somewhat dramatic way of describing [[Wikipedia:List of pedophile advocacy organizations\|Wikipedia's article]], but given the popularity of Wikipedia with the three letter agencies, and the number of administrators who are also members of the intelligence community, we were nonplussed to say the least when we first appeared on the listicle.

	Wikipedia operates a controversial policy entitled "Reliable Source", which is in effect one of the biggest scams operating on the internet. In other words, if a journalist from a "reliable" newspaper or site (read: absence of any public controversy as to their journalistic standards) concludes something in an opinion piece, even if it is evidently false, it is in fact "reality" in the eyes of Wikipedia. This has often led to incidents of "citogenesis", where unsound claims first shared on Wikipedia have been repeated uncritically by journalists, who are then cited by Wikipedia in a self-reinforcing circle of modernistic stupidity.		Wikipedia operates a controversial policy entitled "Reliable Source", which is in effect one of the biggest scams operating on the internet. In other words, if a journalist from a "reliable" newspaper or site (read: absence of any public controversy as to their journalistic standards) concludes something in an opinion piece, even if it is evidently false, it is in fact "reality" in the eyes of Wikipedia. This has often led to incidents of "citogenesis", where unsound claims first shared on Wikipedia have been repeated uncritically by journalists, who are then cited by Wikipedia in a self-reinforcing circle of modernistic stupidity.

Jim Burton at 23:25, 8 May 2026

2026-05-08T23:25:01Z

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	''Fundamentally'', there exists a group of people within our society (a small few percent according to the APA) who have a sexual ''preference'' for ''prepubertal'' children, and only these individuals are the true [[pedophilia\|pedophiles]]. It is an attraction, not a behavior, nor an ''intention''.		''Fundamentally'', there exists a group of people within our society (a small few percent according to the APA) who have a sexual ''preference'' for ''prepubertal'' children, and only these individuals are the true [[pedophilia\|pedophiles]]. It is an attraction, not a behavior, nor an ''intention''.

	True pedophiles are often the ones we ignore when we talk brazenly of "pedophilia" and perpetuate its stigma. But they are the ~~unwitting~~ victims of an unimaginable social stigma, just like those who are slandered as pedophiles and pedophile-defenders. For the true pedophile, however, the burden can be a lifelong secret, and acutely internalized.		True pedophiles are often the ones we ignore when we talk brazenly of "pedophilia" and perpetuate its stigma. But they are the unwilling victims of an unimaginable social stigma, just like those who are slandered as pedophiles and pedophile-defenders. For the true pedophile, however, the burden can be a lifelong secret, and acutely internalized.

	We are certainly pro-pedophile in the sense that if a pedophile has been unfairly maligned, or another person unfairly maligned as a pedophile, we will instinctively rush to the defense of the "pedophile", of this, you can be sure. And however distasteful it may seem, it is also much healthier for civil society that such organizations are permitted to exist.		We are certainly pro-pedophile in the sense that if a pedophile has been unfairly maligned, or another person unfairly maligned as a pedophile, we will instinctively rush to the defense of the "pedophile", of this, you can be sure. And however distasteful it may seem, it is also much healthier for civil society that such organizations are permitted to exist.

Jim Burton: /* Q: Does Newgon "circulate accounts justifying child molestation"? */

2026-05-05T20:00:22Z

Q: Does Newgon "circulate accounts justifying child molestation"?

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	But to address the claim factually, most of the younger subjects in our lived experiences section are adolescents and not children. Our own [[Ethos of Newgon\|ethos]] does not include prepubertal children in its non-binding, but detailed proposal for age of consent reform.		But to address the claim factually, most of the younger subjects in our lived experiences section are adolescents and not children. Our own [[Ethos of Newgon\|ethos]] does not include prepubertal children in its non-binding, but detailed proposal for age of consent reform.

	'''Q: So, Newgon is "pro-contact"?'''		'''Q: So, Newgon is "[[pro-c\|pro-contact]]"?'''

	'''A: We try to avoid the term, as it's crass.'''		'''A: We try to avoid the term, as it's crass.'''

Jim Burton: /* Q: Does Newgon "circulate accounts justifying child molestation"? */

2026-05-05T19:59:31Z

Q: Does Newgon "circulate accounts justifying child molestation"?

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	If this is indeed the case, for such a person we truly have no words. Perhaps a degree of sympathy is called for.		If this is indeed the case, for such a person we truly have no words. Perhaps a degree of sympathy is called for.

	But to address the claim factually, most of the younger subjects in our lived experiences section are adolescents and not children. Our own [[Ethos of Newgon\|ethos]] does not include prepubertal children in its non-binding ~~and~~ detailed proposal for age of consent reform.		But to address the claim factually, most of the younger subjects in our lived experiences section are adolescents and not children. Our own [[Ethos of Newgon\|ethos]] does not include prepubertal children in its non-binding, but detailed proposal for age of consent reform.

	'''Q: So, Newgon is "pro-contact"?'''		'''Q: So, Newgon is "pro-contact"?'''

Jim Burton: /* Q: Is Newgon "woke"? */

2026-05-05T19:53:16Z

Q: Is Newgon "woke"?

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	Newgon might be "woke" in the sense that it is awake, and attuned to ongoing injustices. But Newgon isn't going to provide conservatives with their "Kodak moment" of a "perpetually-offended pedophile" attempting to language-police others and weaponize their personal grievances. Such "wokescold" MAPs do exist, and have predictably garnered attention from parts of the online influencer sphere, but they only represent a tiny fraction of the wider group.		Newgon might be "woke" in the sense that it is awake, and attuned to ongoing injustices. But Newgon isn't going to provide conservatives with their "Kodak moment" of a "perpetually-offended pedophile" attempting to language-police others and weaponize their personal grievances. Such "wokescold" MAPs do exist, and have predictably garnered attention from parts of the online influencer sphere, but they only represent a tiny fraction of the wider group.

	Polls of users on boards such as [[Mu]] and [[B4U-ACT]] repeatedly evidence a general dissatisfaction with identity based politics. A number of conservative attempts to wokejacket MAPs and allies have also been based on personal appearance and trans-identity, aspects of the person not necessarily related to wokeness, or authoritarian ~~behaviour~~ among the "woke".		Polls of users on boards such as [[Mu]] and [[B4U-ACT]] repeatedly evidence a general dissatisfaction with identity based politics. A number of conservative attempts to wokejacket MAPs and allies have also been based on personal appearance and trans-identity, aspects of the person not necessarily related to wokeness, or authoritarian behavior among the "woke". A large majority of trans-identified MAPs are pacifists, and not authoritarians/doctrinaires.

	If you really need to tar us as "woke", this probably says more about your need to score points, and lack of political literacy, than it says about us.		If you really need to tar us as "woke", this probably says more about your need to score points, and lack of political literacy, than it says about us.

Jim Burton: /* Q: Is Newgon "woke"? */

2026-05-05T19:50:52Z

Q: Is Newgon "woke"?

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	But this is where it gets tricky. While we do acknowledge the importance of intersectionality, an acutely marginalized MAP or pedophile's experience of demonization cannot be put on a par with an urban trans person or paraphile's need to tread carefully around conservative friends, relatives or colleagues at thanksgiving. One represents a considerable portion of society sworn to secrecy for their entire life, the other can happily appear dolled up in kink gear at pride without repercussions.		But this is where it gets tricky. While we do acknowledge the importance of intersectionality, an acutely marginalized MAP or pedophile's experience of demonization cannot be put on a par with an urban trans person or paraphile's need to tread carefully around conservative friends, relatives or colleagues at thanksgiving. One represents a considerable portion of society sworn to secrecy for their entire life, the other can happily appear dolled up in kink gear at pride without repercussions.

	Newgon might be "woke" in the sense that is is awake, and attuned to ongoing injustices. But Newgon isn't going to provide conservatives with their "Kodak moment" of a "perpetually-offended pedophile" attempting to language-police others and weaponize their personal grievances. Such "wokescold" MAPs do exist, and have predictably garnered attention from parts of the online influencer sphere, but they only represent a tiny fraction of the wider group.		Newgon might be "woke" in the sense that it is awake, and attuned to ongoing injustices. But Newgon isn't going to provide conservatives with their "Kodak moment" of a "perpetually-offended pedophile" attempting to language-police others and weaponize their personal grievances. Such "wokescold" MAPs do exist, and have predictably garnered attention from parts of the online influencer sphere, but they only represent a tiny fraction of the wider group.

	Polls of users on boards such as [[Mu]] and [[B4U-ACT]] repeatedly evidence a general dissatisfaction with identity based politics. A number of conservative attempts to wokejacket MAPs and allies have also been based on personal appearance and trans-identity, aspects of the person not necessarily related to wokeness, or authoritarian behaviour among the "woke".		Polls of users on boards such as [[Mu]] and [[B4U-ACT]] repeatedly evidence a general dissatisfaction with identity based politics. A number of conservative attempts to wokejacket MAPs and allies have also been based on personal appearance and trans-identity, aspects of the person not necessarily related to wokeness, or authoritarian behaviour among the "woke".

Jim Burton: /* Q: Is Newgon part of the LGBTQ+ community? */

2026-05-05T19:48:50Z

Q: Is Newgon part of the LGBTQ+ community?

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	One major motivating factor behind Newgon's publishing is the 2020s "[[Wikipedia:LGBTQ grooming conspiracy theory\|groomer-libel]]" and "drag panic" attacks against LGBTQ+ people, and an urgent need to get to the bottom of this thorny issue. Newgon's editor, Jim Burton is himself a gay man, and not a self-identifying MAP like some of our editors. Our social history lead is a bisexual man, and not a MAP. While it would not be an issue either way, neither have been convicted of a sexual offense.		One major motivating factor behind Newgon's publishing is the 2020s "[[Wikipedia:LGBTQ grooming conspiracy theory\|groomer-libel]]" and "drag panic" attacks against LGBTQ+ people, and an urgent need to get to the bottom of this thorny issue. Newgon's editor, Jim Burton is himself a gay man, and not a self-identifying MAP like some of our editors. Our social history lead is a bisexual man, and not a MAP. While it would not be an issue either way, neither have been convicted of a sexual offense.

	Our approach to this topic is different to that of mainstream gay publications, however. Instead of ostracizing MAPs, understanding and compassion is instead called for, and we aim to center the MAP experience.		Our approach to this topic is different to that of mainstream gay publications, however. Instead of ostracizing MAPs, understanding and compassion are instead called for, and we aim to center the MAP experience.

	A detailed historical backdrop of the LGBT-MAP alliance, its breakdown and the renewed 2020s alt-right [[grooming\|groomer]] libel can be found at the following articles:		A detailed historical backdrop of the LGBT-MAP alliance, its breakdown and the renewed 2020s alt-right [[grooming\|groomer]] libel can be found at the following articles:

Jim Burton: /* Q: Is Newgon "pro-pedophile"? */

2026-05-05T19:47:31Z

Q: Is Newgon "pro-pedophile"?

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	True pedophiles are often the ones we ignore when we talk brazenly of "pedophilia" and perpetuate its stigma. But they are the unwitting victims of an unimaginable social stigma, just like those who are slandered as pedophiles and pedophile-defenders. For the true pedophile, however, the burden can be a lifelong secret, and acutely internalized.		True pedophiles are often the ones we ignore when we talk brazenly of "pedophilia" and perpetuate its stigma. But they are the unwitting victims of an unimaginable social stigma, just like those who are slandered as pedophiles and pedophile-defenders. For the true pedophile, however, the burden can be a lifelong secret, and acutely internalized.

	We are certainly pro-pedophile in the sense that if a pedophile has been unfairly maligned, or another person unfairly maligned as a pedophile, we will instinctively rush to the defense of the "pedophile"~~. Of~~ this, you can be sure~~, and~~ however distasteful it may seem, it is much healthier for civil society, that such organizations are permitted to exist.		We are certainly pro-pedophile in the sense that if a pedophile has been unfairly maligned, or another person unfairly maligned as a pedophile, we will instinctively rush to the defense of the "pedophile", of this, you can be sure. And however distasteful it may seem, it is also much healthier for civil society that such organizations are permitted to exist.

	==Q: Is Newgon part of the LGBTQ+ community?==		==Q: Is Newgon part of the LGBTQ+ community?==

Jim Burton: /* Q: Is Newgon "pro-pedophile"? */

2026-05-05T19:46:51Z

Q: Is Newgon "pro-pedophile"?

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	True pedophiles are often the ones we ignore when we talk brazenly of "pedophilia" and perpetuate its stigma. But they are the unwitting victims of an unimaginable social stigma, just like those who are slandered as pedophiles and pedophile-defenders. For the true pedophile, however, the burden can be a lifelong secret, and acutely internalized.		True pedophiles are often the ones we ignore when we talk brazenly of "pedophilia" and perpetuate its stigma. But they are the unwitting victims of an unimaginable social stigma, just like those who are slandered as pedophiles and pedophile-defenders. For the true pedophile, however, the burden can be a lifelong secret, and acutely internalized.

	We are certainly pro-pedophile in the sense that if a pedophile has been unfairly maligned, or another person unfairly maligned as a pedophile, we will instinctively rush to the defense of the "pedophile". Of this, you can be sure.		We are certainly pro-pedophile in the sense that if a pedophile has been unfairly maligned, or another person unfairly maligned as a pedophile, we will instinctively rush to the defense of the "pedophile". Of this, you can be sure, and however distasteful it may seem, it is much healthier for civil society, that such organizations are permitted to exist.

	==Q: Is Newgon part of the LGBTQ+ community?==		==Q: Is Newgon part of the LGBTQ+ community?==