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	*Amanda H. Littauer, ''Queer Girls and Intergenerational Lesbian Sexuality in the 1970s'', in ''Historical Reflections'', 46:1 (2020), 95-108.<ref>[https://doi.org/10.3167/hrrh.2020.460107 Littauer - Queer Girls and Intergenerational Lesbian Sexuality in the 1970s]</ref>		*Amanda H. Littauer, ''Queer Girls and Intergenerational Lesbian Sexuality in the 1970s'', in ''Historical Reflections'', 46:1 (2020), 95-108.<ref>[https://doi.org/10.3167/hrrh.2020.460107 Littauer - Queer Girls and Intergenerational Lesbian Sexuality in the 1970s]</ref>

	*Marion E.P. de Ras, ''Body, Femininity and Nationalism Girls in the German Youth Movement 1900–1934'' (Routledge, 2008).<ref>Marion E.P. de Ras, [https://annas-archive.org/md5/6d60cee91111399ecb39279feb1c9d9f ''Body, Femininity and Nationalism Girls in the German Youth Movement 1900–1934''] (Routledge, 2008). (Annas Archive PDF link); Alternatively, [https://www.routledge.com/Body-Femininity-and-Nationalism-Girls-in-the-German-Youth-Movement-1900-1934/deRas/p/book/9780415540964 purchase the book from Routledge] or [https://www.amazon.com/Body-Femininity-Nationalism-1900-1934-Routledge/dp/0415182557 Amazon].</ref>		*Marion E.P. de Ras, ''Body, Femininity and Nationalism Girls in the German Youth Movement: 1900–1934'' (Routledge, 2008).<ref>Marion E.P. de Ras, [https://annas-archive.org/md5/6d60cee91111399ecb39279feb1c9d9f ''Body, Femininity and Nationalism Girls in the German Youth Movement 1900–1934''] (Routledge, 2008). (Annas Archive PDF link); Alternatively, [https://www.routledge.com/Body-Femininity-and-Nationalism-Girls-in-the-German-Youth-Movement-1900-1934/deRas/p/book/9780415540964 purchase the book from Routledge] or [https://www.amazon.com/Body-Femininity-Nationalism-1900-1934-Routledge/dp/0415182557 Amazon].</ref><ref>For a shorter read, see [https://forum.map-union.org/viewtopic.php?p=4595#p4595 ''The Domain of the Wandervogel Girls: Pedagogical Eros and the Utopia of a Holy Island''], by Marion E.P. de Ras. Marion writes: Another tension in the girls' movement was that between the erotic and the sexual. Although this was never publicly discussed by any of the girls' groups, it is clear in the descriptions of camping trips, especially in descriptions of being and sleeping together. [... For] Hans Buhler, the "infamous" chronicler of the Wandervogel movement, it was all crystal clear. [...] The outside world thought that the community was based on a love of nature, vegetarianism, dance, and the ideals of the Wandervogel movement, but as an insider he knew that the driving force was mutual love between females, that is, the holy island and pedagogical Eros."</ref>

	*Martha Vicinus, "The Adolescent Boy: Fin De Siècle Femme Fatale?", in ''Journal of the History of Sexuality'' 5:1 (1994), 90–114.<ref>[https://www.jstor.org/stable/3704081 Vicinus - The Adolescent Boy: Fin De Siècle Femme Fatale? (1994)]</ref>		*Martha Vicinus, "The Adolescent Boy: Fin De Siècle Femme Fatale?", in ''Journal of the History of Sexuality'' 5:1 (1994), 90–114.<ref>[https://www.jstor.org/stable/3704081 Vicinus - The Adolescent Boy: Fin De Siècle Femme Fatale? (1994)]</ref>

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	The word ''korephilia'' comes from the Greek words κόρη kórē meaning "girl" and φιλία philíā meaning "love". The word ''lesbian'' itself is an allusion to Sappho, originating from the name of the island of ''Lesbos'', where she was born. Sappho was a teacher and priestess of Aphrodite, the goddess of love and sexual passion, and was said to have had consensual sexual contact with her female adolescent students.<ref>[https://www.nambla.org/sappho.htm Linda Frankel, Sappho Was a Right-On Girl-Lover!] ''NAMBLA Bulletin'', Vol. 4, No. 3, Pg. 9, 1983. Also reprinted in ''Not Fade Away: Selections from the NAMBLA Bulletin''.</ref> Writing for [[NAMBLA]], Linda Frankel explained, "How do we know how the girls felt about it? Sappho quotes her student Atthis as saying:		The word ''korephilia'' comes from the Greek words κόρη kórē meaning "girl" and φιλία philíā meaning "love". The word ''lesbian'' itself is an allusion to Sappho, originating from the name of the island of ''Lesbos'', where she was born. Sappho was a teacher and priestess of Aphrodite, the goddess of love and sexual passion, and was said to have had consensual sexual contact with her female adolescent students.<ref>[https://www.nambla.org/sappho.htm Linda Frankel, Sappho Was a Right-On Girl-Lover!] ''NAMBLA Bulletin'', Vol. 4, No. 3, Pg. 9, 1983. Also reprinted in ''Not Fade Away: Selections from the NAMBLA Bulletin''. For further discussion, see [https://forum.map-union.org/viewtopic.php?p=4689#p4689 ''Sappho: The Tenth Muse''] (author unknown).</ref> Writing for [[NAMBLA]], Linda Frankel explained, "How do we know how the girls felt about it? Sappho quotes her student Atthis as saying:

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	{{Template:MAI}}__NOTOC__'''Intergenerational Lesbianism''', sometimes called '''Korephilia'''<ref>[https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/25498618 Wiktionary diff for Korephilia, with critical citations]</ref> is an age-gap relationship (similar to [[pederasty]]), but between a woman and a younger female / [[girl]]. The word ''korephilia'' comes from the Greek words κόρη kórē meaning "girl" and φιλία philíā meaning "love". Many women experience romance as a maternal feeling, and often express that love through nurturing and caring for the loved girl. Couples may look like mother and daughter, perhaps sharing a maternal bond mixed with romantic and/or sexual feelings.		{{Template:MAI}}__NOTOC__'''Intergenerational Lesbianism''', sometimes called '''Korephilia'''<ref>[https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/25498618 Wiktionary diff for Korephilia, with critical citations]</ref> is an age-gap relationship (similar to [[pederasty]]), but between a woman and a younger female / [[girl]]. The word ''korephilia'' comes from the Greek words κόρη kórē meaning "girl" and φιλία philíā meaning "love".

	==Etymology and History==		==Etymology and History==

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	*Amanda H. Littauer, ''Queer Girls and Intergenerational Lesbian Sexuality in the 1970s'', in ''Historical Reflections'', 46:1 (2020), 95-108.<ref>[https://doi.org/10.3167/hrrh.2020.460107 Littauer - Queer Girls and Intergenerational Lesbian Sexuality in the 1970s]</ref>		*Amanda H. Littauer, ''Queer Girls and Intergenerational Lesbian Sexuality in the 1970s'', in ''Historical Reflections'', 46:1 (2020), 95-108.<ref>[https://doi.org/10.3167/hrrh.2020.460107 Littauer - Queer Girls and Intergenerational Lesbian Sexuality in the 1970s]</ref>

			*Marion E.P. de Ras, ''Body, Femininity and Nationalism Girls in the German Youth Movement 1900–1934'' (Routledge, 2008).<ref>Marion E.P. de Ras, [https://annas-archive.org/md5/6d60cee91111399ecb39279feb1c9d9f ''Body, Femininity and Nationalism Girls in the German Youth Movement 1900–1934''] (Routledge, 2008). (Annas Archive PDF link); Alternatively, [https://www.routledge.com/Body-Femininity-and-Nationalism-Girls-in-the-German-Youth-Movement-1900-1934/deRas/p/book/9780415540964 purchase the book from Routledge] or [https://www.amazon.com/Body-Femininity-Nationalism-1900-1934-Routledge/dp/0415182557 Amazon].</ref>

	*Martha Vicinus, "The Adolescent Boy: Fin De Siècle Femme Fatale?", in ''Journal of the History of Sexuality'' 5:1 (1994), 90–114.<ref>[https://www.jstor.org/stable/3704081 Vicinus - The Adolescent Boy: Fin De Siècle Femme Fatale? (1994)]</ref>		*Martha Vicinus, "The Adolescent Boy: Fin De Siècle Femme Fatale?", in ''Journal of the History of Sexuality'' 5:1 (1994), 90–114.<ref>[https://www.jstor.org/stable/3704081 Vicinus - The Adolescent Boy: Fin De Siècle Femme Fatale? (1994)]</ref>

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	==Korephilia in Modern and Feminist literature==		==Korephilia in Modern and Feminist literature==

	There have been recent depictions of Intergenerational Lesbianism in [[Minor_attraction_in_popular_culture\|popular culture]]. "The Little Coochie Snorcher That Could" from "[[Wikipedia:The Vagina Monologues\|The Vagina Monologues]]," recounts the experience of a thirteen year old girl's relationship with an older woman. The 2013 film [[Wikipedia:Blue Is the Warmest Colour\|''Blue Is the Warmest Colour'']], depicts the friendship between a 15 year old girl and an adult woman that becomes erotic.		There have been recent depictions of Intergenerational Lesbianism in [[Minor_attraction_in_popular_culture\|popular culture]]. "The Little Coochie Snorcher That Could" from "[[Wikipedia:The Vagina Monologues\|The Vagina Monologues]]," recounts the experience of a thirteen year old girl's relationship with an older woman. The 2013 film [[Wikipedia:Blue Is the Warmest Colour\|''Blue Is the Warmest Colour'']], depicts the friendship between a fifteen year old girl and an adult woman that becomes erotic.

	Well-known examples in English-speaking literature come from the gay world, including the influential Canadian gay liberation activist and ''Body Politic'' writer Chris Bearchell,<ref>Chris Bearchell, "I Was Fifteen, She Was Forty-Three..." A Feminist Look at the Place of Female Child-Adult Relations in the Politics of the Lesbian Movement. ''The Body Politic'', May 1978.</ref> lesbian [[Feminism\|feminist]] activist Prof. [[Wikipedia:Beth Kelly\|Beth Kelly]],<ref>[https://www.consentingjuveniles.com/Case_Narrative?case=Beth_Kelly Beth Kelly, Speaking Out on "Women/Girl Love" - Or, Lesbians Do "Do It". ''Gay Community News'', 3 March, 1979]. Also quoted in [http://www.ipce.info/host/radicase/chap04.htm O'Carroll, ''Paedophilia: The Radical Case'' (1980)].</ref> and nationally honored / decorated lesbian writer [[Wikipedia:Jane Rule\|Jane Rule CM OBC]].<ref>[http://web.archive.org/web/20130118064126/http://www.xtra.ca/public/viewstory.aspx?AFF_TYPE=1&STORY_ID=3979&PUB_TEMPLATE_ID=1 Jane Rule, "Teaching Sexuality". ''The Body Politic'', June 30 1979]. Also cited in our testimonies page and others.</ref> It should be noted, however, that these examples emerge from the 1970s spirit of sexual revolution. Before the sexual revolution, Lesbianism was often pathologized, outright denied, thought of as deviant or a 'phase'. Until very recently, Lesbianism was subject to a conspiracy of silence, to the extent that feminist icon [[Wikipedia:Betty Friedan\|Betty Freidan]] famously dubbed them the '[[Wikipedia:Lavender Menace\|lavender menace]]', and at-one-time believed lesbians to be part of a plot to bring the (heterosexual) feminist movement into disrepute.<ref>Many articles recount and discuss this event. A recent one at time of writing is: [https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2023/09/18/the-women-of-now-how-feminists-built-an-organization-that-transformed-america-katherine-turk-book-review-betty-friedan-magnificent-disrupter-rachel-shteir Moira Donegan, The Catalyst: Betty Friedan and the movement that outgrew her. ''The New Yorker'', September 11, 2023].</ref> It is therefore difficult to find clear evidence of positive and consensual lesbian sexual contact before the sexual revolution, with sexual contact that transgresses [[age of consent]] laws / age-gap norms being especially sensitive and stigmatized after the late 1970s and early 80s, forced underground into secrecy.		Well-known examples in English-speaking literature come from the gay world, including the influential Canadian gay liberation activist and ''Body Politic'' writer Chris Bearchell,<ref>Chris Bearchell, "I Was Fifteen, She Was Forty-Three..." A Feminist Look at the Place of Female Child-Adult Relations in the Politics of the Lesbian Movement. ''The Body Politic'', May 1978.</ref> lesbian [[Feminism\|feminist]] activist Prof. [[Wikipedia:Beth Kelly\|Beth Kelly]],<ref>[https://www.consentingjuveniles.com/Case_Narrative?case=Beth_Kelly Beth Kelly, Speaking Out on "Women/Girl Love" - Or, Lesbians Do "Do It". ''Gay Community News'', 3 March, 1979]. Also quoted in [http://www.ipce.info/host/radicase/chap04.htm O'Carroll, ''Paedophilia: The Radical Case'' (1980)].</ref> and nationally honored / decorated lesbian writer [[Wikipedia:Jane Rule\|Jane Rule CM OBC]].<ref>[http://web.archive.org/web/20130118064126/http://www.xtra.ca/public/viewstory.aspx?AFF_TYPE=1&STORY_ID=3979&PUB_TEMPLATE_ID=1 Jane Rule, "Teaching Sexuality". ''The Body Politic'', June 30 1979]. Also cited in our testimonies page and others.</ref> It should be noted, however, that these examples emerge from the 1970s spirit of sexual revolution. Before the sexual revolution, Lesbianism was often pathologized, outright denied, thought of as deviant or a 'phase'. Until very recently, Lesbianism was subject to a conspiracy of silence, to the extent that feminist icon [[Wikipedia:Betty Friedan\|Betty Freidan]] famously dubbed them the '[[Wikipedia:Lavender Menace\|lavender menace]]', and at-one-time believed lesbians to be part of a plot to bring the (heterosexual) feminist movement into disrepute.<ref>Many articles recount and discuss this event. A recent one at time of writing is: [https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2023/09/18/the-women-of-now-how-feminists-built-an-organization-that-transformed-america-katherine-turk-book-review-betty-friedan-magnificent-disrupter-rachel-shteir Moira Donegan, The Catalyst: Betty Friedan and the movement that outgrew her. ''The New Yorker'', September 11, 2023].</ref> It is therefore difficult to find clear evidence of positive and consensual lesbian sexual contact before the sexual revolution, with sexual contact that transgresses [[age of consent]] laws / age-gap norms being especially sensitive and stigmatized after the late 1970s and early 80s, forced underground into secrecy.

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	In the case of German Politician Dagmar Döring, for example, written in 1980 when she was 19, she wrote of an experience where, "no man and no woman, rather a child, in particular a girl," could satisfy her needs. Döring said she was afraid of the law which punished the "love between adults and children", and said she wanted "to do everything to change such laws." After [[MAPocalypse#Realization_of_the_panic_from_2020-2023\|the 1980s backlash era]] of [[Moral_panic\|moral panic]], however, she later distanced herself from these comments.<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20210726053352/https://www.thelocal.de/20130812/51349/ Pro-paedo text scuppers would-be MP’s campaign]</ref>		In the case of German Politician Dagmar Döring, for example, written in 1980 when she was 19, she wrote of an experience where, "no man and no woman, rather a child, in particular a girl," could satisfy her needs. Döring said she was afraid of the law which punished the "love between adults and children", and said she wanted "to do everything to change such laws." After [[MAPocalypse#Realization_of_the_panic_from_2020-2023\|the 1980s backlash era]] of [[Moral_panic\|moral panic]], however, she later distanced herself from these comments.<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20210726053352/https://www.thelocal.de/20130812/51349/ Pro-paedo text scuppers would-be MP’s campaign]</ref>

	Taken together, the evidence suggests that intergenerational lesbianism has been far more underground and secretive than its male homosexual counterpart. Nevertheless, despite a conspiracy of silence around Lesbianism until the sexual revolution, and the increasing stigmatization and criminalization of mutually willing sexual contacts involving age gaps as the sexual revolution declined and neoliberalism, sexual conservatism, and fear around sex took its place during the 1980s AIDS Crisis and Satanic Panic - we have documented many positive age-gap [[Testimony:_Adult_Female_with_Minor\|testimonies]]. In 2020, historian Amanda H. Littauer (cited below) published a seminal scholarly article - ''Queer Girls and Intergenerational Lesbian Sexuality in the 1970s'' - which provides testimonies from archival research. We hope more investigations like Littauer's will continue to uncover and publish evidence of this largely underground world. As pioneer queer activist, Pat [now Patrick] Califia, wrote:		Taken together, the evidence suggests that intergenerational lesbianism has been far more underground and secretive than its male homosexual counterpart. Nevertheless, despite a conspiracy of silence around Lesbianism until the sexual revolution, and the increasing stigmatization and criminalization of mutually willing sexual contacts involving age gaps as the sexual revolution declined and neoliberalism, sexual conservatism, and fear around sex took its place during the 1980s [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV/AIDS_in_the_United_States AIDS Crisis] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanic_panic Satanic Panic] - we have documented many positive age-gap [[Testimony:_Adult_Female_with_Minor\|testimonies]]. In 2020, historian Amanda H. Littauer (cited below) published a seminal scholarly article - ''Queer Girls and Intergenerational Lesbian Sexuality in the 1970s'' - which provides testimonies from archival research. We hope more investigations like Littauer's will continue to uncover and publish evidence of this largely underground world. As pioneer queer activist, Pat [now Patrick] Califia, wrote:

	<blockquote>''I know very few lesbians, and even fewer gay men, who waited until they were eighteen to come out. Most of us were aware well before puberty that we wanted to be close to or sexual with members of our own sex. I've heard countless stories from women about their attempts to seduce their high school gym teachers or camp counselors. Not all of these attempts were unsuccessful. Our real-life experiences do not jibe with our politics on this issue."<ref>[https://www.ipce.info/ipceweb/Library/califa_feminism.htm Pat Califia - Ipce]</ref>''</blockquote>		<blockquote>''I know very few lesbians, and even fewer gay men, who waited until they were eighteen to come out. Most of us were aware well before puberty that we wanted to be close to or sexual with members of our own sex. I've heard countless stories from women about their attempts to seduce their high school gym teachers or camp counselors. Not all of these attempts were unsuccessful. Our real-life experiences do not jibe with our politics on this issue."<ref>[https://www.ipce.info/ipceweb/Library/califa_feminism.htm Pat Califia - Ipce]</ref>''</blockquote>

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	Later, German Psychologist Marina Knopf (1994, cited below) attempted to solicit interviews from females who had experienced intergenerational lesbianism. Knopf received letters but all respondents except one refused to be interviewed. Knopf argued that the age taboo, or what she terms the "paedosexual taboo," might be "felt so strongly by women precisely because the opportunities for breaking it lie so close at hand." Because of their special closeness [to young people]," Knopf argued, "the paedosexual attraction, as well as the taboo, could be greater than for men" (p. 19). Knopf detected a greater sense of guilt and fear of arrest among females, and Berlin's female intergenerational rights organization ("Kanalratten" meaning "Sewer Rats"), which had published a manifesto,<ref name="paidika 8" /> were too inhibited to meet Knopf after agreeing to be interviewed by her.		Later, German Psychologist Marina Knopf (1994, cited below) attempted to solicit interviews from females who had experienced intergenerational lesbianism. Knopf received letters but all respondents except one refused to be interviewed. Knopf argued that the age taboo, or what she terms the "paedosexual taboo," might be "felt so strongly by women precisely because the opportunities for breaking it lie so close at hand." Because of their special closeness [to young people]," Knopf argued, "the paedosexual attraction, as well as the taboo, could be greater than for men" (p. 19). Knopf detected a greater sense of guilt and fear of arrest among females, and Berlin's female intergenerational rights organization ("Kanalratten" meaning "Sewer Rats"), which had published a manifesto,<ref name="paidika 8" /> were too inhibited to meet Knopf after agreeing to be interviewed by her.

	In the case of German Politician Dagmar Döring, for example, written in 1980 when she was 19, she wrote of an experience where, "no man and no woman, rather a child, in particular a girl," could satisfy her needs. Döring said she was afraid of the law which punished the "love between adults and children", and said she wanted "to do everything to change such laws." After [[MAPocalypse#Realization_of_the_panic_from_2020-2023\|the 1980s backlash era]] of [[Moral_panic\|moral panic]], however, she later distanced herself from these comments.<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20210726053352/https://www.thelocal.de/20130812/51349/ Pro-paedo text scuppers would-be MP’s campaign]</ref>		In the case of German Politician Dagmar Döring, for example, written in 1980 when she was 19, she wrote of an experience where, "no man and no woman, rather a child, in particular a girl," could satisfy her needs. Döring said she was afraid of the law which punished the "love between adults and children", and said she wanted "to do everything to change such laws." After [[MAPocalypse#Realization_of_the_panic_from_2020-2023\|the 1980s backlash era]] of [[Moral_panic\|moral panic]], however, she later distanced herself from these comments.<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20210726053352/https://www.thelocal.de/20130812/51349/ Pro-paedo text scuppers would-be MP’s campaign]</ref>

	Taken together, the evidence suggests that intergenerational lesbianism has been far more underground and secretive than its male homosexual counterpart. Nevertheless, despite a conspiracy of silence around Lesbianism until the sexual revolution, and the increasing stigmatization and criminalization of mutually willing sexual contacts involving age gaps as the sexual revolution declined and neoliberalism, sexual conservatism, and fear around sex took its place during the 1980s AIDS Crisis and Satanic Panic - we have documented many positive age-gap [[Testimony:_Adult_Female_with_Minor\|testimonies]]. In 2020, historian Amanda H. Littauer (cited below) published a seminal scholarly article - ''Queer Girls and Intergenerational Lesbian Sexuality in the 1970s'' - which provides testimonies from archival research. We hope more investigations like Littauer's will continue to uncover and publish evidence of this largely underground world. As pioneer queer activist, Pat [now Patrick] Califia, wrote:		Taken together, the evidence suggests that intergenerational lesbianism has been far more underground and secretive than its male homosexual counterpart. Nevertheless, despite a conspiracy of silence around Lesbianism until the sexual revolution, and the increasing stigmatization and criminalization of mutually willing sexual contacts involving age gaps as the sexual revolution declined and neoliberalism, sexual conservatism, and fear around sex took its place during the 1980s AIDS Crisis and Satanic Panic - we have documented many positive age-gap [[Testimony:_Adult_Female_with_Minor\|testimonies]]. In 2020, historian Amanda H. Littauer (cited below) published a seminal scholarly article - ''Queer Girls and Intergenerational Lesbian Sexuality in the 1970s'' - which provides testimonies from archival research. We hope more investigations like Littauer's will continue to uncover and publish evidence of this largely underground world. As pioneer queer activist, Pat [now Patrick] Califia, wrote:

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	In previous literature, writers such as feminist activist [[Feminism\|Kate Millett]] interpreted aversion to intergenerational eroticism as a product of women being subjects of historical patriarchy. Millett contrasted the more prevalent discussion and even defense of mutually willing intergenerational eroticism within the male-gay movement (see [[Historical_examples_of_LGBT-MAP_unity\|LGBT-MAP Unity]]), with the aversion many women and lesbians espoused. Millett wrote that women are "more sexually repressed than men, having been given a much more puritanical code of behavior than men ever have"<ref name="paidika 8">[https://www.brongersma.info/Paidika-08 Paidika vol 08, 1992, p. 84]</ref>. Unlike men who had the history of [[Pederasty\|pederasty]] to draw on, "It’s possible," Millett explained, "that the condition of lesbians has been so repressive that it prevents them from seeing people below the [[Age of Consent\|age of consent]] as sexual partners" (''Ibid'').		In previous literature, writers such as feminist activist [[Feminism\|Kate Millett]] interpreted aversion to intergenerational eroticism as a product of women being subjects of historical patriarchy. Millett contrasted the more prevalent discussion and even defense of mutually willing intergenerational eroticism within the male-gay movement (see [[Historical_examples_of_LGBT-MAP_unity\|LGBT-MAP Unity]]), with the aversion many women and lesbians espoused. Millett wrote that women are "more sexually repressed than men, having been given a much more puritanical code of behavior than men ever have"<ref name="paidika 8">[https://www.brongersma.info/Paidika-08 Paidika vol 08, 1992, p. 84]</ref>. Unlike men who had the history of [[Pederasty\|pederasty]] to draw on, "It’s possible," Millett explained, "that the condition of lesbians has been so repressive that it prevents them from seeing people below the [[Age of Consent\|age of consent]] as sexual partners" (''Ibid'').

	Writing in Toronto's ''The Body Politic'', lesbian feminist writer Christine Donald reviewed ''[[The Age Taboo]]'' (Tsang ed. 1981) and [[Clarence_Osborne\|''The Man they Called a Monster'']] (Wilson, 1981), stated how she was "impressed by the lucidity" of [[PIE]] Chairperson [[Tom O'Carroll]]'s arguments, "by his politeness, courage, and stamina" after having invited and heard him speak at a 'Gay Cambridge' event, and lamented the "silenced women" afraid of speaking out after "the scandalmongering of the straights [... and] the denunciation of feminists [which] has helped silence them."<ref>''The Body Politic'', No. 84 (June, 1982).</ref> Donald recalls "a workshop on pedophilia at the [[wikipedia:International_Lesbian_Information_Service\|International Lesbian Information Secretariat]] (ILIS) conference in Amsterdam in January, 1981 [...] that approached the subject (rather than frantically pushing it away) by speaking about our own first sexual experiences." She states that "Many of these [sexual] experiences happened when we were between twelve and sixteen, some with best friends and contemporaries, more with a prefect, a teacher, an older friend," and recalls what she now recognizes as love feelings for her German teacher at 15, her friend Julie Irvine at 11, and her friend ~~Anne Morris~~'s mother at 8.<ref>''Ibid''.</ref>		Writing in Toronto's ''The Body Politic'', lesbian feminist writer Christine Donald reviewed ''[[The Age Taboo]]'' (Tsang ed. 1981) and [[Clarence_Osborne\|''The Man they Called a Monster'']] (Wilson, 1981), stated how she was "impressed by the lucidity" of [[PIE]] Chairperson [[Tom O'Carroll]]'s arguments, "by his politeness, courage, and stamina" after having invited and heard him speak at a 'Gay Cambridge' event, and lamented the "silenced women" afraid of speaking out after "the scandalmongering of the straights [... and] the denunciation of feminists [which] has helped silence them."<ref>''The Body Politic'', No. 84 (June, 1982).</ref> Donald recalls "a workshop on pedophilia at the [[wikipedia:International_Lesbian_Information_Service\|International Lesbian Information Secretariat]] (ILIS) conference in Amsterdam in January, 1981 [...] that approached the subject (rather than frantically pushing it away) by speaking about our own first sexual experiences." She states that "Many of these [sexual] experiences happened when we were between twelve and sixteen, some with best friends and contemporaries, more with a prefect, a teacher, an older friend," and recalls what she now recognizes as love feelings for her German teacher at 15, her friend Julie Irvine at 11, and her friend's mother at 8.<ref>''Ibid''.</ref>

	Later, German Psychologist Marina Knopf (1994, cited below) attempted to solicit interviews from females who had experienced intergenerational lesbianism. Knopf received letters but all respondents except one refused to be interviewed. Knopf argued that the age taboo, or what she terms the "paedosexual taboo" might be "felt so strongly by women precisely because the opportunities for breaking it lie so close at hand. Because of their special closeness [to young people], ~~for women~~ the paedosexual attraction, as well as the taboo, could be greater than for men" (p. 19). Knopf detected a greater sense of guilt and fear of arrest among females, and Berlin's female intergenerational rights organization ("Kanalratten" meaning "Sewer Rats"), which had published a manifesto,<ref name="paidika 8" /> were too inhibited to meet Knopf after agreeing to be interviewed by her. Taken together, the evidence suggests that intergenerational lesbianism has been far more underground and secretive than its male homosexual counterpart. In the case of German Politician Dagmar Döring, for example, written in 1980 when she was 19, she wrote of an experience where, "no man and no woman, rather a child, in particular a girl," could satisfy her needs. Döring said she was afraid of the law which punished the "love between adults and children", and said she wanted "to do everything to change such laws." After [[MAPocalypse#Realization_of_the_panic_from_2020-2023\|the 1980s backlash era]] of [[Moral_panic\|moral panic]], however, she later distanced herself from these comments.<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20210726053352/https://www.thelocal.de/20130812/51349/ Pro-paedo text scuppers would-be MP’s campaign]</ref>		Later, German Psychologist Marina Knopf (1994, cited below) attempted to solicit interviews from females who had experienced intergenerational lesbianism. Knopf received letters but all respondents except one refused to be interviewed. Knopf argued that the age taboo, or what she terms the "paedosexual taboo," might be "felt so strongly by women precisely because the opportunities for breaking it lie so close at hand." Because of their special closeness [to young people]," Knopf argued, "the paedosexual attraction, as well as the taboo, could be greater than for men" (p. 19). Knopf detected a greater sense of guilt and fear of arrest among females, and Berlin's female intergenerational rights organization ("Kanalratten" meaning "Sewer Rats"), which had published a manifesto,<ref name="paidika 8" /> were too inhibited to meet Knopf after agreeing to be interviewed by her.

	~~Despite~~ a conspiracy of silence around Lesbianism until the sexual revolution, we have documented many positive age-gap [[Testimony:_Adult_Female_with_Minor\|testimonies]]. In 2020, historian Amanda H. Littauer (cited below) published a seminal scholarly article - ''Queer Girls and Intergenerational Lesbian Sexuality in the 1970s'' - which provides testimonies from archival research. We hope more investigations like Littauer's will continue to uncover and publish evidence of this largely underground world. As pioneer queer activist, Pat [now Patrick] Califia, wrote:		In the case of German Politician Dagmar Döring, for example, written in 1980 when she was 19, she wrote of an experience where, "no man and no woman, rather a child, in particular a girl," could satisfy her needs. Döring said she was afraid of the law which punished the "love between adults and children", and said she wanted "to do everything to change such laws." After [[MAPocalypse#Realization_of_the_panic_from_2020-2023\|the 1980s backlash era]] of [[Moral_panic\|moral panic]], however, she later distanced herself from these comments.<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20210726053352/https://www.thelocal.de/20130812/51349/ Pro-paedo text scuppers would-be MP’s campaign]</ref>

			Taken together, the evidence suggests that intergenerational lesbianism has been far more underground and secretive than its male homosexual counterpart. Nevertheless, despite a conspiracy of silence around Lesbianism until the sexual revolution, and the increasing stigmatization and criminalization of mutually willing sexual contacts involving age gaps as the sexual revolution declined and neoliberalism, sexual conservatism, and fear around sex took its place during the 1980s AIDS Crisis and Satanic Panic - we have documented many positive age-gap [[Testimony:_Adult_Female_with_Minor\|testimonies]]. In 2020, historian Amanda H. Littauer (cited below) published a seminal scholarly article - ''Queer Girls and Intergenerational Lesbian Sexuality in the 1970s'' - which provides testimonies from archival research. We hope more investigations like Littauer's will continue to uncover and publish evidence of this largely underground world. As pioneer queer activist, Pat [now Patrick] Califia, wrote:

	<blockquote>''I know very few lesbians, and even fewer gay men, who waited until they were eighteen to come out. Most of us were aware well before puberty that we wanted to be close to or sexual with members of our own sex. I've heard countless stories from women about their attempts to seduce their high school gym teachers or camp counselors. Not all of these attempts were unsuccessful. Our real-life experiences do not jibe with our politics on this issue."<ref>[https://www.ipce.info/ipceweb/Library/califa_feminism.htm Pat Califia - Ipce]</ref>''</blockquote>		<blockquote>''I know very few lesbians, and even fewer gay men, who waited until they were eighteen to come out. Most of us were aware well before puberty that we wanted to be close to or sexual with members of our own sex. I've heard countless stories from women about their attempts to seduce their high school gym teachers or camp counselors. Not all of these attempts were unsuccessful. Our real-life experiences do not jibe with our politics on this issue."<ref>[https://www.ipce.info/ipceweb/Library/califa_feminism.htm Pat Califia - Ipce]</ref>''</blockquote>

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	*Amanda H. Littauer, ''Queer Girls and Intergenerational Lesbian Sexuality in the 1970s''<ref>[https://doi.org/10.3167/hrrh.2020.460107 Littauer - Queer Girls and Intergenerational Lesbian Sexuality in the 1970s]</ref>~~, in ''Historical Reflections'', 46:1 (2020), 95-108.~~		*Amanda H. Littauer, ''Queer Girls and Intergenerational Lesbian Sexuality in the 1970s'', in ''Historical Reflections'', 46:1 (2020), 95-108.<ref>[https://doi.org/10.3167/hrrh.2020.460107 Littauer - Queer Girls and Intergenerational Lesbian Sexuality in the 1970s]</ref>

	*Martha Vicinus, "The Adolescent Boy: Fin De Siècle Femme Fatale?", in ''Journal of the History of Sexuality'' 5:1 (1994), 90–114.<ref>[https://www.jstor.org/stable/3704081 Vicinus - The Adolescent Boy: Fin De Siècle Femme Fatale? (1994)]</ref>		*Martha Vicinus, "The Adolescent Boy: Fin De Siècle Femme Fatale?", in ''Journal of the History of Sexuality'' 5:1 (1994), 90–114.<ref>[https://www.jstor.org/stable/3704081 Vicinus - The Adolescent Boy: Fin De Siècle Femme Fatale? (1994)]</ref>
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	* Dr. Arne Frederiksen, 'Female Paedophilia', in ''[https://www.ipce.info/library/miscellaneous/crime-without-victims-book-about-paedo Crime without victims: A book about paedophilia]'' (1983, translated to English by Dr. [[Edward Brongersma]] in 1993, with an introduction by Dr. [[Preben Hertoft]].		* Dr. Arne Frederiksen, 'Female Paedophilia', in ''[https://www.ipce.info/library/miscellaneous/crime-without-victims-book-about-paedo Crime without victims: A book about paedophilia]'' (1983, translated to English by Dr. [[Edward Brongersma]] in 1993, with an introduction by Dr. [[Preben Hertoft]].

	*Marion Zimmer-Bradley, "Feminine Equivalents of Greek Love in Modern Fiction"<ref>[http://exitinterview.biz/rarities/ijgl/htmfiles/ijg1p48.htm "Feminine Equivalents of Greek Love in Modern Fiction]</ref>, in ''~~International~~ Journal ~~of Greek Love~~'', Vol.1 No.~~1, 1965, page 48~~.		*Marion Zimmer-Bradley, "Feminine Equivalents of Greek Love in Modern Fiction", in ''International Journal of Greek Love'', Vol.1 No.1, 1965, page 48.<ref>[http://exitinterview.biz/rarities/ijgl/htmfiles/ijg1p48.htm "Feminine Equivalents of Greek Love in Modern Fiction]</ref>

			*Jenn McCollum, "The Romance of Henry James's Female Pedophile, in ''MP: An Online Feminist Journal'', Vol. 3, Issue 1 (Summer 2010).<ref>[http://academinist.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/030104McCollum_Femaleped.pdf Jenn McCollum (2010) PDF].</ref>

	==See also==		==See also==

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	*[https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Korephilia Korephilia] - RationalWiki.		*[https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Korephilia Korephilia] - RationalWiki.
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	In previous literature, writers such as feminist activist [[Feminism\|Kate Millett]] interpreted aversion to intergenerational eroticism as a product of women being subjects of historical patriarchy. Millett contrasted the more prevalent discussion and even defense of mutually willing intergenerational eroticism within the male-gay movement (see [[Historical_examples_of_LGBT-MAP_unity\|LGBT-MAP Unity]]), with the aversion many women and lesbians espoused. Millett wrote that women are "more sexually repressed than men, having been given a much more puritanical code of behavior than men ever have"<ref name="paidika 8">[https://www.brongersma.info/Paidika-08 Paidika vol 08, 1992, p. 84]</ref>. Unlike men who had the history of [[Pederasty\|pederasty]] to draw on, "It’s possible," Millett explained, "that the condition of lesbians has been so repressive that it prevents them from seeing people below the [[Age of Consent\|age of consent]] as sexual partners" (''Ibid'').		In previous literature, writers such as feminist activist [[Feminism\|Kate Millett]] interpreted aversion to intergenerational eroticism as a product of women being subjects of historical patriarchy. Millett contrasted the more prevalent discussion and even defense of mutually willing intergenerational eroticism within the male-gay movement (see [[Historical_examples_of_LGBT-MAP_unity\|LGBT-MAP Unity]]), with the aversion many women and lesbians espoused. Millett wrote that women are "more sexually repressed than men, having been given a much more puritanical code of behavior than men ever have"<ref name="paidika 8">[https://www.brongersma.info/Paidika-08 Paidika vol 08, 1992, p. 84]</ref>. Unlike men who had the history of [[Pederasty\|pederasty]] to draw on, "It’s possible," Millett explained, "that the condition of lesbians has been so repressive that it prevents them from seeing people below the [[Age of Consent\|age of consent]] as sexual partners" (''Ibid'').

	Writing in Toronto's ''The Body Politic'', lesbian feminist writer Christine Donald reviewed ''[[The Age Taboo]]'' (Tsang ed. 1981) and [[Clarence_Osborne\|''The Man they Called a Monster'']] (Wilson, 1981), stated how she was "impressed by the lucidity" of [[PIE]] Chairperson [[Tom O'Carroll]]'s arguments, "by his politeness, courage, and stamina" after having invited and heard him speak at a 'Gay Cambridge' event, and lamented the "silenced women" afraid of speaking out after "the scandalmongering of the straights [... and] the denunciation of feminists [which] has helped silence them."<ref>''The Body Politic'', No. 84 (June, 1982).</ref> Donald recalls "a workshop on pedophilia at the [[wikipedia:International_Lesbian_Information_Service\|International Lesbian Information Secretariat]] (ILIS) conference in Amsterdam in January, 1981 [...] that approached the subject (rather than frantically pushing it away) by speaking about our own first sexual experiences." She states that "Many of these [sexual] experiences happened when we were between twelve and sixteen, some with best friends and contemporaries, more with a prefect, a teacher, an older friend," and recalls what she now recognizes as love feelings for her German teacher at 15, her friend Julie Irvine at 11, and her friend ~~Anne Morris~~'s mother at 8.<ref>''Ibid''.</ref>		Writing in Toronto's ''The Body Politic'', lesbian feminist writer Christine Donald reviewed ''[[The Age Taboo]]'' (Tsang ed. 1981) and [[Clarence_Osborne\|''The Man they Called a Monster'']] (Wilson, 1981), stated how she was "impressed by the lucidity" of [[PIE]] Chairperson [[Tom O'Carroll]]'s arguments, "by his politeness, courage, and stamina" after having invited and heard him speak at a 'Gay Cambridge' event, and lamented the "silenced women" afraid of speaking out after "the scandalmongering of the straights [... and] the denunciation of feminists [which] has helped silence them."<ref>''The Body Politic'', No. 84 (June, 1982).</ref> Donald recalls "a workshop on pedophilia at the [[wikipedia:International_Lesbian_Information_Service\|International Lesbian Information Secretariat]] (ILIS) conference in Amsterdam in January, 1981 [...] that approached the subject (rather than frantically pushing it away) by speaking about our own first sexual experiences." She states that "Many of these [sexual] experiences happened when we were between twelve and sixteen, some with best friends and contemporaries, more with a prefect, a teacher, an older friend," and recalls what she now recognizes as love feelings for her German teacher at 15, her friend Julie Irvine at 11, and her friend's mother at 8.<ref>''Ibid''.</ref>

	Later, German Psychologist Marina Knopf (1994, cited below) attempted to solicit interviews from females who had experienced intergenerational lesbianism. Knopf received letters but all respondents except one refused to be interviewed. Knopf argued that the age taboo, or what she terms the "paedosexual taboo" might be "felt so strongly by women precisely because the opportunities for breaking it lie so close at hand. Because of their special closeness [to young people], ~~for women~~ the paedosexual attraction, as well as the taboo, could be greater than for men" (p. 19). Knopf detected a greater sense of guilt and fear of arrest among females, and Berlin's female intergenerational rights organization ("Kanalratten" meaning "Sewer Rats"), which had published a manifesto,<ref name="paidika 8" /> were too inhibited to meet Knopf after agreeing to be interviewed by her. Taken together, the evidence suggests that intergenerational lesbianism has been far more underground and secretive than its male homosexual counterpart. In the case of German Politician Dagmar Döring, for example, written in 1980 when she was 19, she wrote of an experience where, "no man and no woman, rather a child, in particular a girl," could satisfy her needs. Döring said she was afraid of the law which punished the "love between adults and children", and said she wanted "to do everything to change such laws." After [[MAPocalypse#Realization_of_the_panic_from_2020-2023\|the 1980s backlash era]] of [[Moral_panic\|moral panic]], however, she later distanced herself from these comments.<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20210726053352/https://www.thelocal.de/20130812/51349/ Pro-paedo text scuppers would-be MP’s campaign]</ref>		Later, German Psychologist Marina Knopf (1994, cited below) attempted to solicit interviews from females who had experienced intergenerational lesbianism. Knopf received letters but all respondents except one refused to be interviewed. Knopf argued that the age taboo, or what she terms the "paedosexual taboo," might be "felt so strongly by women precisely because the opportunities for breaking it lie so close at hand." Because of their special closeness [to young people]," Knopf argued, "the paedosexual attraction, as well as the taboo, could be greater than for men" (p. 19). Knopf detected a greater sense of guilt and fear of arrest among females, and Berlin's female intergenerational rights organization ("Kanalratten" meaning "Sewer Rats"), which had published a manifesto,<ref name="paidika 8" /> were too inhibited to meet Knopf after agreeing to be interviewed by her.

	~~Despite~~ a conspiracy of silence around Lesbianism until the sexual revolution, we have documented many positive age-gap [[Testimony:_Adult_Female_with_Minor\|testimonies]]. In 2020, historian Amanda H. Littauer (cited below) published a seminal scholarly article - ''Queer Girls and Intergenerational Lesbian Sexuality in the 1970s'' - which provides testimonies from archival research. We hope more investigations like Littauer's will continue to uncover and publish evidence of this largely underground world. As pioneer queer activist, Pat [now Patrick] Califia, wrote:		In the case of German Politician Dagmar Döring, for example, written in 1980 when she was 19, she wrote of an experience where, "no man and no woman, rather a child, in particular a girl," could satisfy her needs. Döring said she was afraid of the law which punished the "love between adults and children", and said she wanted "to do everything to change such laws." After [[MAPocalypse#Realization_of_the_panic_from_2020-2023\|the 1980s backlash era]] of [[Moral_panic\|moral panic]], however, she later distanced herself from these comments.<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20210726053352/https://www.thelocal.de/20130812/51349/ Pro-paedo text scuppers would-be MP’s campaign]</ref>

			Taken together, the evidence suggests that intergenerational lesbianism has been far more underground and secretive than its male homosexual counterpart. Nevertheless, despite a conspiracy of silence around Lesbianism until the sexual revolution, and the increasing stigmatization and criminalization of mutually willing sexual contacts involving age gaps as the sexual revolution declined and neoliberalism, sexual conservatism, and fear around sex took its place during the 1980s AIDS Crisis and Satanic Panic - we have documented many positive age-gap [[Testimony:_Adult_Female_with_Minor\|testimonies]]. In 2020, historian Amanda H. Littauer (cited below) published a seminal scholarly article - ''Queer Girls and Intergenerational Lesbian Sexuality in the 1970s'' - which provides testimonies from archival research. We hope more investigations like Littauer's will continue to uncover and publish evidence of this largely underground world. As pioneer queer activist, Pat [now Patrick] Califia, wrote:

	<blockquote>''I know very few lesbians, and even fewer gay men, who waited until they were eighteen to come out. Most of us were aware well before puberty that we wanted to be close to or sexual with members of our own sex. I've heard countless stories from women about their attempts to seduce their high school gym teachers or camp counselors. Not all of these attempts were unsuccessful. Our real-life experiences do not jibe with our politics on this issue."<ref>[https://www.ipce.info/ipceweb/Library/califa_feminism.htm Pat Califia - Ipce]</ref>''</blockquote>		<blockquote>''I know very few lesbians, and even fewer gay men, who waited until they were eighteen to come out. Most of us were aware well before puberty that we wanted to be close to or sexual with members of our own sex. I've heard countless stories from women about their attempts to seduce their high school gym teachers or camp counselors. Not all of these attempts were unsuccessful. Our real-life experiences do not jibe with our politics on this issue."<ref>[https://www.ipce.info/ipceweb/Library/califa_feminism.htm Pat Califia - Ipce]</ref>''</blockquote>