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Jim Burton: /* Age of consent and culture */

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Age of consent and culture

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	Age of consent varies across cultures, that is, across time and place. The first ages of consent were very low. In United States, for example, the age of consent used to be 7 in Delaware. Societal movements, especially feminism (see, for example, Sandfort, 1987, chapter 1), played a role in changing that picture.		Age of consent varies across cultures, that is, across time and place. The first ages of consent were very low. In United States, for example, the age of consent used to be 7 in Delaware. Societal movements, especially feminism (see, for example, Sandfort, 1987, chapter 1), played a role in changing that picture.

	But even today, ages of consent can ~~be very low in other places~~:		But even today, ages of consent can vary:

	*the lowest ages of consent in recent times have been 11-13		*the lowest ages of consent in recent times have been 11-13

Jim Burton: /* Age of consent and culture */ bad examples

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Age of consent and culture: bad examples

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	But even today, ages of consent can be very low in other places:		But even today, ages of consent can be very low in other places:

	*the lowest ~~age~~ of consent in ~~Japan is~~ 13,		*the lowest ages of consent in recent times have been 11-13
	*the age of consent in Brazil is 14 nationwide		*the age of consent in Brazil, Italy and Germany is 14 nationwide
	*~~and~~ it is ~~12 in Philippines~~.		*in many American states, it is as high as 18.

	See list by country, on [[Wikipedia:Ages of consent by country\|Wikipedia]].		See list by country, on [[Wikipedia:Ages of consent by country\|Wikipedia]].

Jim Burton at 15:27, 7 August 2025

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	While minor-attracted people differ in “ages of attraction”, they also differ according to political position. The age of consent is a law. Positioning yourself as favorable or against a law is a political position. There are pedophiles who are favorable to age of consent reform and there are those who are not. Minor-attracted people who are favorable to lowering or abolishing the age of consent are often called “pro-contact”, "pro-choice" or “pro-consent” ([[pro-c]]). Those who are favorable to leaving the age of consent as it is or raising it are often called “[[anti-contact]]”.		While minor-attracted people differ in “ages of attraction”, they also differ according to political position. The age of consent is a law. Positioning yourself as favorable or against a law is a political position. There are pedophiles who are favorable to age of consent reform and there are those who are not. Minor-attracted people who are favorable to lowering or abolishing the age of consent are often called “pro-contact”, "pro-choice" or “pro-consent” ([[pro-c]]). Those who are favorable to leaving the age of consent as it is or raising it are often called “[[anti-contact]]”.

	Those labels aren’t indicative of offender status: a person can be pro-~~contact~~ and law-abiding. Being law-abiding is often called being “non-offending”.		Those labels aren’t indicative of offender status: a person can be pro-c and law-abiding. Being law-abiding is often called being “non-offending”.

	One could ask why would you, for example, adopt either particular stance on the age of consent. While those who are pro-~~contact~~ argue that some minor-adult relationships, sexual or not, could be harmless or even beneficial, in a way that it would be more fair if those relationships were judged on a case-by-case basis (see quote by “Trevor” in Rivas, 2016, page 92).		One could ask why would you, for example, adopt either particular stance on the age of consent. While those who are pro-c argue that some minor-adult relationships, sexual or not, could be harmless or even beneficial, in a way that it would be more fair if those relationships were judged on a case-by-case basis (see quote by “Trevor” in Rivas, 2016, page 92).

	Those who are anti-contact argue that harm still happens and that it could be devastating or that, even if those relationships could be harmless and positively recalled, they are still immoral, as the consent given by the minor can always be called into question. The mere fact that such debate exists within minor-attracted communities should serve to dispel the prejudice that people who are sexually attracted to minors are always unethical.		Those who are anti-contact argue that harm still happens and that it could be devastating or that, even if those relationships could be harmless and positively recalled, they are still immoral, as the consent given by the minor can always be called into question. The mere fact that such debate exists within minor-attracted communities should serve to dispel the prejudice that people who are sexually attracted to minors are always unethical.
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	Even if there is positively recalled minor-adult sexual contact and even if anecdotal evidence shows that there are minors craving such encounters, the act, when discovered, will cause damage to both parties of the relationship. I reiterate that acting on those desires in a cultural context that is disapproving of such conduct is a display of irresponsibility.		Even if there is positively recalled minor-adult sexual contact and even if anecdotal evidence shows that there are minors craving such encounters, the act, when discovered, will cause damage to both parties of the relationship. I reiterate that acting on those desires in a cultural context that is disapproving of such conduct is a display of irresponsibility.

	Pro-~~contact~~ minor-attracted people are interested in changing the laws (see Sandfort, 1987, chapter 3 for an example of attempted age of consent reform in the Netherlands), but should not be interested in breaking the laws, not only because of their own safety, but also because of how the younger partner might respond to the intervention (for an anecdote on how societal intervention alone can harm both adult and minor, see Rivas, 2016, pages 27 to 32).		Pro-c minor-attracted people are interested in changing the laws (see Sandfort, 1987, chapter 3 for an example of attempted age of consent reform in the Netherlands), but should not be interested in breaking the laws, not only because of their own safety, but also because of how the younger partner might respond to the intervention (for an anecdote on how societal intervention alone can harm both adult and minor, see Rivas, 2016, pages 27 to 32).

	==Conclusion==		==Conclusion==

Jim Burton: /* Conclusion */

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Conclusion

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	* [[Pediverse]]		* [[Pediverse]]
	* [[BoyChat\|Boychat]]/[[Girlchat]],		* [[BoyChat\|Boychat]]/[[Girlchat]],
	* [[Virtuous Pedophiles]], [[B4U-ACT]] and		* [[Virtuous Pedophiles]], [[B4U-ACT]], Enclave (the forum recommended by [[Mu]]) and
	* the [[JORis]] groups (these are the last IRL ones in the Netherlands)		* the [[JORis]] groups (these are the last IRL ones in the Netherlands)

The Admins at 22:45, 27 February 2025

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	Our own [[research]] pages cover much of the information detailed in this piece in more detail.		Our own [[research]] pages cover much of the information detailed in this piece in more detail.

	==Notes ~~by the Strategic Lead~~==		==Notes==

	[[Category:Advice]]		[[Category:Advice]]

Prue at 02:09, 20 November 2023

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	*Condy et al, 1987;		*Condy et al, 1987;
	*Dolezal et al, 2014;		*Dolezal et al, 2014;
	*Kilpatrick, 1987;		*[[Allie_C._Kilpatrick\|Kilpatrick]], 1987;
	*Lahtinen et al, 2018;		*Lahtinen et al, 2018;
	*Leahy, 1996;		*Leahy, 1996;

The Admins: /* Characteristics */

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Characteristics

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	==Characteristics==		==Characteristics==

	[[File:Jente8.jpg\|~~frame~~\|right]]		[[File:Jente8.jpg\|thumb\|right]]

	Minor-attracted people often notice their first attraction to minors at around age 12. The feelings they have come in three levels:		Minor-attracted people often notice their first attraction to minors at around age 12. The feelings they have come in three levels:

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	A '''“[[Minor Attracted Person\|Minor Attracted Person]]”''' ("MAP") is anyone with a romantic or sexual preference for people who have not yet reached the [[Age of Consent]]. The category is broad enough to include even minors themselves, if they develop feelings and practices that can be considered sexual in their general tract between each other. However, this category is fairly new and most people don’t see the difference between ''attraction'' to ''[[minor]]s'' and ''[[pedophilia]]'', which is, itself, charged with great amounts of stigma. Because of that, the self-esteem of minor-attracted people is severely damaged, they hide and develop self-hatred. But it’s important for the minor attracted person to understand that they are not a threat to minors, that their attraction is fine in other cultures and that, putting things that way, attraction to minors isn’t a disease per itself, but is made such by society. That should help minor-attracted people to accept themselves wholeheartedly, to see cultural phenomena as passive of changing, improve understanding of themselves and point to help, if such is needed.		A '''“[[Minor Attracted Person\|Minor Attracted Person]]”''' ("MAP") is anyone with a romantic or sexual preference for people who have not yet reached the [[Age of Consent]]. The category is broad enough to include even minors themselves, if they develop feelings and practices that can be considered sexual in their general tract between each other. However, this category is fairly new and most people don’t see the difference between ''attraction'' to ''[[minor]]s'' and ''[[pedophilia]]'', which is, itself, charged with great amounts of [[Research: The Dangers of Stigma\|stigma]]. Because of that, the self-esteem of minor-attracted people is severely damaged, they hide and develop self-hatred. But it’s important for the minor attracted person to understand that they are not a threat to minors, that their attraction is fine in other cultures and that, putting things that way, attraction to minors isn’t a disease per itself, but is made such by society. That should help minor-attracted people to accept themselves wholeheartedly, to see cultural phenomena as passive of changing, improve understanding of themselves and point to help, if such is needed.

	==Introduction==		==Introduction==

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	A '''“[[Minor Attracted Person\|Minor Attracted Person]]”''' ("MAP") is anyone with a romantic or sexual preference for people who have not yet reached the [[~~age~~ of ~~consent~~]]. The category is broad enough to include even minors themselves, if they develop feelings and practices that can be considered sexual in their general tract between each other. However, this category is fairly new and most people don’t see the difference between ''attraction'' to ''[[minor]]s'' and ''[[pedophilia]]'', which is, itself, charged with great amounts of stigma. Because of that, the self-esteem of minor-attracted people is severely damaged, they hide and develop self-hatred. But it’s important for the minor attracted person to understand that they are not a threat to minors, that their attraction is fine in other cultures and that, putting things that way, attraction to minors isn’t a disease per itself, but is made such by society. That should help minor-attracted people to accept themselves wholeheartedly, to see cultural phenomena as passive of changing, improve understanding of themselves and point to help, if such is needed.		A '''“[[Minor Attracted Person\|Minor Attracted Person]]”''' ("MAP") is anyone with a romantic or sexual preference for people who have not yet reached the [[Age of Consent]]. The category is broad enough to include even minors themselves, if they develop feelings and practices that can be considered sexual in their general tract between each other. However, this category is fairly new and most people don’t see the difference between ''attraction'' to ''[[minor]]s'' and ''[[pedophilia]]'', which is, itself, charged with great amounts of stigma. Because of that, the self-esteem of minor-attracted people is severely damaged, they hide and develop self-hatred. But it’s important for the minor attracted person to understand that they are not a threat to minors, that their attraction is fine in other cultures and that, putting things that way, attraction to minors isn’t a disease per itself, but is made such by society. That should help minor-attracted people to accept themselves wholeheartedly, to see cultural phenomena as passive of changing, improve understanding of themselves and point to help, if such is needed.

	==Introduction==		==Introduction==

The Admins: /* Conclusion */

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Conclusion

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	B4U-ACT has a peer support group, for example. Other [[Minor attracted community\|communities]] such as:		B4U-ACT has a peer support group, for example. Other [[Minor attracted community\|communities]] such as:

			* [[Pediverse]]
	* [[BoyChat\|Boychat]]/[[Girlchat]],		* [[BoyChat\|Boychat]]/[[Girlchat]],
	* [[Virtuous Pedophiles]], [[B4U-ACT]] and		* [[Virtuous Pedophiles]], [[B4U-ACT]] and