https://wiki.yesmap.net/wiki/index.php?action=history&feed=atom&title=Pro-cPro-c - Revision history2026-05-06T14:23:14ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.45.3https://wiki.yesmap.net/wiki/index.php?title=Pro-c&diff=34194&oldid=prevJJ1: Replaced deleted source.2026-04-26T22:27:14Z<p>Replaced deleted source.</p>
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''[...]'' Most often these people will claim they were ignorant, tricked and deceived. They will then impart a selfishness upon the adult, that the adult just used them and didn't care about them. They instill shame on their past enjoyment and the memory becomes tainted. From this develops anxiety, depression, attachment issues and even PTSD. This would be considered sociogenic harm. Harm from society, from cultural norms. The harm was not from the relationship or actions but from social factors. ''[...]'' To put it bluntly, a little girl is not harmed because someone older than her stimulated pleasure receptive nerves between her legs as she giggled and said keep going. A little girl is harmed because of the gauntlet she is put through socially, therapeutically and legally for daring to share that pleasure with someone deemed too old (remember, if she does it herself or with someone about her age then all the professionals suddenly deem it fine and normal).This is why I oppose adult/child sexual relationships in practice.''<ref>'<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">''https://web</del>.<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">archive</del>.org/<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">web/20230210231724/https://www</del>.<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">freespeechtube.org</del>/<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">v/15sJ''' FST archive</del>, <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">currently deleted</del></ref></blockquote></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><blockquote>''Many of us realize that sexual interactions and pleasure are not innately harmful for any human to experience. Many of us understand that it is the context in which these experiences happen that causes harm. For instance, force, fraud, bribery, blackmail, pain etc. will all cause harm to the individual victim to it in a sexual relationship. Most people in general agree with this. ''[...]'' I believe this post is important to make as I do not want people to take my theoretical positive view of adult/child sexual relations as support, encouragement or promotion of such relationships in our current culture. I actively oppose such relationships in our current culture. ''[...]'' Most often these people will claim they were ignorant, tricked and deceived. They will then impart a selfishness upon the adult, that the adult just used them and didn't care about them. They instill shame on their past enjoyment and the memory becomes tainted. From this develops anxiety, depression, attachment issues and even PTSD. This would be considered sociogenic harm. Harm from society, from cultural norms. The harm was not from the relationship or actions but from social factors. ''[...]'' To put it bluntly, a little girl is not harmed because someone older than her stimulated pleasure receptive nerves between her legs as she giggled and said keep going. A little girl is harmed because of the gauntlet she is put through socially, therapeutically and legally for daring to share that pleasure with someone deemed too old (remember, if she does it herself or with someone about her age then all the professionals suddenly deem it fine and normal).This is why I oppose adult/child sexual relationships in practice.''<ref><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">[[Talk:Pro-c#FreeSpeechTube_post_"Chances_are%2C_they</ins>'<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">ll_grow_up_to_hate_you</ins>.<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">"_(freespeechtube</ins>.org<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">%2Fv%2F15sJ)|<i>Chances are, they'll grow up to hate you. Why I oppose adult</ins>/<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">child sexual relations in practice</ins>.<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"><</ins>/<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">i> - Kaila_Breece</ins>, <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">16 August 2021]]</ins></ref></blockquote></div></td></tr>
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</table>JJ1https://wiki.yesmap.net/wiki/index.php?title=Pro-c&diff=33198&oldid=prevJim Burton at 21:08, 1 November 20252025-11-01T21:08:28Z<p></p>
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</table>Jim Burtonhttps://wiki.yesmap.net/wiki/index.php?title=Pro-c&diff=31863&oldid=prevJim Burton at 23:30, 31 July 20252025-07-31T23:30:24Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The meaning of the term has become warped in extremist [[anti-contact|anti-c]] circles to mean "advocacy for unlawful sex with a minor". However, there are a range of pro-c positions:</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The meaning of the term has become warped in extremist [[anti-contact|anti-c]] circles to mean "advocacy for unlawful sex with a minor". However, there are a range of pro-c positions:</div></td></tr>
</table>Jim Burtonhttps://wiki.yesmap.net/wiki/index.php?title=Pro-c&diff=30597&oldid=prevThe Admins at 19:45, 14 January 20252025-01-14T19:45:09Z<p></p>
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</table>The Adminshttps://wiki.yesmap.net/wiki/index.php?title=Pro-c&diff=28961&oldid=prevThe Admins at 19:07, 2 September 20242024-09-02T19:07:31Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><blockquote>''Many of us realize that sexual interactions and pleasure are not innately harmful for any human to experience. Many of us understand that it is the context in which these experiences happen that causes harm. For instance, force, fraud, bribery, blackmail, pain etc. will all cause harm to the individual victim to it in a sexual relationship. Most people in general agree with this. ''[...]'' I believe this post is important to make as I do not want people to take my theoretical positive view of adult/child sexual relations as support, encouragement or promotion of such relationships in our current culture. I actively oppose such relationships in our current culture. ''[...]'' Most often these people will claim they were ignorant, tricked and deceived. They will then impart a selfishness upon the adult, that the adult just used them and didn't care about them. They instill shame on their past enjoyment and the memory becomes tainted. From this develops anxiety, depression, attachment issues and even PTSD. This would be considered sociogenic harm. Harm from society, from cultural norms. The harm was not from the relationship or actions but from social factors. ''[...]'' To put it bluntly, a little girl is not harmed because someone older than her stimulated pleasure receptive nerves between her legs as she giggled and said keep going. A little girl is harmed because of the gauntlet she is put through socially, therapeutically and legally for daring to share that pleasure with someone deemed too old (remember, if she does it herself or with someone about her age then all the professionals suddenly deem it fine and normal).This is why I oppose adult/child sexual relationships in practice.''<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20230210231724/https://www.freespeechtube.org/v/15sJ FST archive <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">(new site will redirect to a fediverse peertube instance)</del>]</ref></blockquote></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><blockquote>''Many of us realize that sexual interactions and pleasure are not innately harmful for any human to experience. Many of us understand that it is the context in which these experiences happen that causes harm. For instance, force, fraud, bribery, blackmail, pain etc. will all cause harm to the individual victim to it in a sexual relationship. Most people in general agree with this. ''[...]'' I believe this post is important to make as I do not want people to take my theoretical positive view of adult/child sexual relations as support, encouragement or promotion of such relationships in our current culture. I actively oppose such relationships in our current culture. ''[...]'' Most often these people will claim they were ignorant, tricked and deceived. They will then impart a selfishness upon the adult, that the adult just used them and didn't care about them. They instill shame on their past enjoyment and the memory becomes tainted. From this develops anxiety, depression, attachment issues and even PTSD. This would be considered sociogenic harm. Harm from society, from cultural norms. The harm was not from the relationship or actions but from social factors. ''[...]'' To put it bluntly, a little girl is not harmed because someone older than her stimulated pleasure receptive nerves between her legs as she giggled and said keep going. A little girl is harmed because of the gauntlet she is put through socially, therapeutically and legally for daring to share that pleasure with someone deemed too old (remember, if she does it herself or with someone about her age then all the professionals suddenly deem it fine and normal).This is why I oppose adult/child sexual relationships in practice.''<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20230210231724/https://www.freespeechtube.org/v/15sJ FST archive]</ref></blockquote></div></td></tr>
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</table>The Adminshttps://wiki.yesmap.net/wiki/index.php?title=Pro-c&diff=27436&oldid=prevXtjvimds16dovrfc at 23:07, 19 June 20242024-06-19T23:07:48Z<p></p>
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</table>Xtjvimds16dovrfchttps://wiki.yesmap.net/wiki/index.php?title=Pro-c&diff=27363&oldid=prevThe Admins at 12:19, 16 June 20242024-06-16T12:19:48Z<p></p>
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</table>The Adminshttps://wiki.yesmap.net/wiki/index.php?title=Pro-c&diff=25576&oldid=prevThe Admins at 11:04, 19 April 20242024-04-19T11:04:01Z<p></p>
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</table>The Adminshttps://wiki.yesmap.net/wiki/index.php?title=Pro-c&diff=25575&oldid=prevThe Admins at 11:02, 19 April 20242024-04-19T11:02:38Z<p></p>
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</table>The Adminshttps://wiki.yesmap.net/wiki/index.php?title=Pro-c&diff=24922&oldid=prevThe Admins at 16:47, 31 March 20242024-03-31T16:47:00Z<p></p>
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