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	===Native America, 1930s and prior===		===Mohave (Native America), 1930s and prior===
	George Devreux wrote in 1937:		George Devreux wrote in 1937:
	:''"Casual homosexual relations in childhood were frequent in the past, and according to my informants, seem to be on the increase ''[...]'' Complete nudity and any lack of supervision, especially for boys, who remained naked until they reached puberty, combined with incessant sexual talk on the part of adults, must have furthered the desire for sex experience. ''[...]'' Adults seldom had sexual intercourse with children of their own sex, although betrothal of young girls to old men or seduction of very young boys by adult women was not rare."''<ref>Devereux, George. (1937). [https://www.jstor.org/stable/41447338 Institutionalized homosexuality of the Mohave Indians]. ''Human Biology'', 9, pp. 498–527.</ref>		:''"Casual homosexual relations in childhood were frequent in the past, and according to my informants, seem to be on the increase ''[...]'' Complete nudity and any lack of supervision, especially for boys, who remained naked until they reached puberty, combined with incessant sexual talk on the part of adults, must have furthered the desire for sex experience. ''[...]'' Adults seldom had sexual intercourse with children of their own sex, although betrothal of young girls to old men or seduction of very young boys by adult women was not rare."''<ref>Devereux, George. (1937). [https://www.jstor.org/stable/41447338 Institutionalized homosexuality of the Mohave Indians]. ''Human Biology'', 9, pp. 498–527.</ref>

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	Girls as young as 12 were highly-valued for their attractiveness as prostitutes in England during the 18th century. Young, pubescent boys were also popular. The [[Age of Consent]] was not raised from 10 until the 19th century.<ref name="bullough" />		Girls as young as 12 were highly-valued for their attractiveness as prostitutes in England during the 18th century. Young, pubescent boys were also popular. The [[Age of Consent]] was not raised from 10 until the 19th century.<ref name="bullough" />

	==16th-~~17th~~ Century Russia==		==16th-19th Century Russia==
	There is a lot of evidence of quite tolerant attitude toward boylove in some periods of the past in Russia:		There is a lot of evidence of quite tolerant attitude toward boylove in some periods of the past in Russia:
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	According to the Englishman Perry, who served in Russia under Peter I for several years, "the dreadful sin of sodomy is hardly considered a crime in this country; when drunk, they are very inclined to it." [...] It is likely that sodomy, which became widespread in Russian society during the 16th and 17th centuries, was borrowed by Russians from the Muslim East, particularly from Persia and Turkey. [Despite the fact that], as a precaution against this vice, a moral code for monks, introduced as early as the 14th century, included a provision stating that they should "not befriend young children or teach them from books." In the monastic rule of Joseph Volotsky, it was forbidden to keep "beardless youths" in monasteries. [editor's translation] <ref>[https://libgen.li/ads267edbd1c32fbbe3cd644e38adc1e285RC85NHNN Averkiyev S.S. (2015) Influence of the Tatars on the Life of the Russian People. pp. 175-180]</ref></blockquote>		According to the Englishman Perry, who served in Russia under Peter I for several years, "the dreadful sin of sodomy is hardly considered a crime in this country; when drunk, they are very inclined to it." [...] It is likely that sodomy, which became widespread in Russian society during the 16th and 17th centuries, was borrowed by Russians from the Muslim East, particularly from Persia and Turkey. [Despite the fact that], as a precaution against this vice, a moral code for monks, introduced as early as the 14th century, included a provision stating that they should "not befriend young children or teach them from books." In the monastic rule of Joseph Volotsky, it was forbidden to keep "beardless youths" in monasteries. [editor's translation] <ref>[https://libgen.li/ads267edbd1c32fbbe3cd644e38adc1e285RC85NHNN Averkiyev S.S. (2015) Influence of the Tatars on the Life of the Russian People. pp. 175-180]</ref></blockquote>

	==Up to 17th Century Mayans, Aztecs, and Incas ==		19th century, the Chuckchee, natives in Northern Siberia - sex with boys was considered normal and in no way kept secret.
			<blockquote>Young, handsome boys adorn themselves and flirt openly with their admirers. This is all the more striking because nothing impedes sex with girls and the boys themselves start to have heterosexual intercourse from ten years on.” (Wrangel, quoted by Erman 1871, 164).<ref>[https://brongersma.info/Loving_boys_I 'Loving Boys I'] by [[Edward Brongersma]]; 1986</ref></blockquote>

			== Indigenous Americas ==
			===Up to 17th Century Mayans, Aztecs, and Incas ===
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	Among sixteenth and seventeenth century Mayans, missionaries reported a custom of youth-younger boy marriages. [...] Missionaries reported religious-based pederasty as common among the Aztecs and Incas. Sources: Greenberg (1988); Williams (1992)<ref name="Rind2013" />		Among sixteenth and seventeenth century Mayans, missionaries reported a custom of youth-younger boy marriages. [...] Missionaries reported religious-based pederasty as common among the Aztecs and Incas. Sources: Greenberg (1988); Williams (1992)<ref name="Rind2013" />
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	== 19th Century Coerunas Indians of Brazil ==		=== 19th Century Coerunas Indians of Brazil ===
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	An apprentice healer would go into the woods for an extended time with an older healer, who would transmit his special powers to the youth through sexual relations and also directly instruct him on the art of curing illnesses. Source: Greenberg (1988) <ref name="Rind2013" />		An apprentice healer would go into the woods for an extended time with an older healer, who would transmit his special powers to the youth through sexual relations and also directly instruct him on the art of curing illnesses. Source: Greenberg (1988) <ref name="Rind2013" />
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			===Native America, 1930s and prior===
			George Devreux wrote in 1937:
			:''"Casual homosexual relations in childhood were frequent in the past, and according to my informants, seem to be on the increase ''[...]'' Complete nudity and any lack of supervision, especially for boys, who remained naked until they reached puberty, combined with incessant sexual talk on the part of adults, must have furthered the desire for sex experience. ''[...]'' Adults seldom had sexual intercourse with children of their own sex, although betrothal of young girls to old men or seduction of very young boys by adult women was not rare."''<ref>Devereux, George. (1937). [https://www.jstor.org/stable/41447338 Institutionalized homosexuality of the Mohave Indians]. ''Human Biology'', 9, pp. 498–527.</ref>

	== 17th Century Caribbean Pirates ==		== 17th Century Caribbean Pirates ==
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	Lived in all-male arrangements with mixed ages from young adolescents or younger through older men. Sexual relations between men, especially pirate captains (e.g., Blackbeard), and adolescent boys were common. Sources: Burg (1995); Williams (1992)<ref name="Rind2013" />		Lived in all-male arrangements with mixed ages from young adolescents or younger through older men. Sexual relations between men, especially pirate captains (e.g., Blackbeard), and adolescent boys were common. Sources: Burg (1995); Williams (1992)<ref name="Rind2013" />
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	~~==19th and early 20th Century Hobos (USA)==~~
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	Between 1880 and 1930, sexual relations between men and adolescent boys were commonplace among transient workers in the Pacific Northwest. Developing industries (e.g., lumber, mining) drew in large numbers of unmarried men and male youths from other parts of the United States to perform backbreaking work. They lived and worked in all-male societies, which fostered intergenerational sex (rather than age-equal sex). Their relations were social, not just sexual—the boys often served domestic functions for the men. In return, they got various benefits (e.g., advice, apprenticing, emotional support, safety, protection). By the 1930s, these all-male societies eroded, owing to mechanization (which reduced brute-strength work) and population expansion (with more women). These changes, along with constant policing activity (the middle class saw pederasty as a threat to their youth and the family), helped to dissolve the tradition. Sources: Boag, (2003); Flynt (1927); Williams (1992)<ref name="Rind2013" />
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	~~==19th Century Russia==~~

	~~The Chuckchee in Northern Siberia - sex with boys was considered normal and in no way kept secret.~~

	<blockquote>Young, handsome boys adorn themselves and flirt openly with their admirers. This is all the more striking because nothing impedes sex with girls and the boys themselves start to have heterosexual intercourse from ten years on.” (Wrangel, quoted by Erman 1871, 164).<ref>[https://brongersma.info/Loving_boys_I 'Loving Boys I'] by [[Edward Brongersma]]; 1986</ref></blockquote>

	==19th Century Albania==		==19th Century Albania==
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	:''"Chapter 11 of Lowry's book opens the closet door on gender-bending and same-sex trysts. And Lowry reveals that during the Civil War conventional gender roles and sexual behavior could not be strictly tethered to a heterosexual paradigm. With men outnumbering women, especially at social events like balls, "Drummer Boys" -- children as young as 9 and 10 years old -- dressed in drag. And in some occasions, the intimacy between soldiers and Drummer boys reached beyond just a public waltz. For example, Lowry references a ball put on by a Massachusetts regiment stationed in Virginia in 1864 about young drummer boys dressed as women. One man wrote to his wife: "Some of the real women went, but the boy girls were so much better looking that they left. ...We had some little Drummer Boys dressed up and I'll bet you could not tell them from girls if you did not know them. ...Some of ''[the Drummer Boys]'' looked good enough to lay with and I guess some of them did get laid with. ...I know I slept with mine.""''<ref>[https://www.huffpost.com/entry/americas-gay-confederate-_b_851815 HuffPo - American Civil War]</ref>		:''"Chapter 11 of Lowry's book opens the closet door on gender-bending and same-sex trysts. And Lowry reveals that during the Civil War conventional gender roles and sexual behavior could not be strictly tethered to a heterosexual paradigm. With men outnumbering women, especially at social events like balls, "Drummer Boys" -- children as young as 9 and 10 years old -- dressed in drag. And in some occasions, the intimacy between soldiers and Drummer boys reached beyond just a public waltz. For example, Lowry references a ball put on by a Massachusetts regiment stationed in Virginia in 1864 about young drummer boys dressed as women. One man wrote to his wife: "Some of the real women went, but the boy girls were so much better looking that they left. ...We had some little Drummer Boys dressed up and I'll bet you could not tell them from girls if you did not know them. ...Some of ''[the Drummer Boys]'' looked good enough to lay with and I guess some of them did get laid with. ...I know I slept with mine.""''<ref>[https://www.huffpost.com/entry/americas-gay-confederate-_b_851815 HuffPo - American Civil War]</ref>

	~~==Native America, 1930s and prior==~~		<blockquote>
			''Between 1880 and 1930, sexual relations between men and adolescent boys were commonplace among transient workers [Hobos] in the Pacific Northwest. Developing industries (e.g., lumber, mining) drew in large numbers of unmarried men and male youths from other parts of the United States to perform backbreaking work. They lived and worked in all-male societies, which fostered intergenerational sex (rather than age-equal sex). Their relations were social, not just sexual—the boys often served domestic functions for the men. In return, they got various benefits (e.g., advice, apprenticing, emotional support, safety, protection). By the 1930s, these all-male societies eroded, owing to mechanization (which reduced brute-strength work) and population expansion (with more women). These changes, along with constant policing activity (the middle class saw pederasty as a threat to their youth and the family), helped to dissolve the tradition.'' Sources: Boag, (2003); Flynt (1927); Williams (1992)<ref name="Rind2013" />
	~~George Devreux wrote in 1937:~~		</blockquote>

	:''~~"Casual homosexual~~ relations ~~in childhood~~ were ~~frequent~~ in the ~~past~~, and ~~according~~ to ~~my informants~~, ~~seem to be on~~ the ~~increase ''[~~...~~]'' Complete nudity and any lack of supervision~~, ~~especially for boys~~, ~~who remained naked until they reached puberty~~, ~~combined with incessant sexual talk on~~ the ~~part of adults~~, ~~must have furthered the desire for sex experience~~. ~~''[...]'' Adults seldom had sexual intercourse~~ with ~~children of~~ their ~~own sex~~, ~~although betrothal of young girls~~ to ~~old men or seduction of very young boys by adult women was not rare~~."''~~<ref>Devereux~~, ~~George.~~ (~~1937~~)~~. [https:~~/~~/www.jstor.org/stable/41447338 Institutionalized homosexuality of the Mohave Indians]. ''Human Biology'', 9, pp. 498–527.~~</~~ref~~>

	==Prewar (and postwar) Siwa, Egypt==		==Prewar (and postwar) Siwa, Egypt==

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	According to the Englishman Perry, who served in Russia under Peter I for several years, "the dreadful sin of sodomy is hardly considered a crime in this country; when drunk, they are very inclined to it." [...] It is likely that sodomy, which became widespread in Russian society during the 16th and 17th centuries, was borrowed by Russians from the Muslim East, particularly from Persia and Turkey. [Despite the fact that], as a precaution against this vice, a moral code for monks, introduced as early as the 14th century, included a provision stating that they should "not befriend young children or teach them from books." In the monastic rule of Joseph Volotsky, it was forbidden to keep "beardless youths" in monasteries. [editor's translation] <ref>[https://libgen.li/ads267edbd1c32fbbe3cd644e38adc1e285RC85NHNN Averkiyev S.S. (2015) Influence of the Tatars on the Life of the Russian People. pp. 175-180]</ref></blockquote>		According to the Englishman Perry, who served in Russia under Peter I for several years, "the dreadful sin of sodomy is hardly considered a crime in this country; when drunk, they are very inclined to it." [...] It is likely that sodomy, which became widespread in Russian society during the 16th and 17th centuries, was borrowed by Russians from the Muslim East, particularly from Persia and Turkey. [Despite the fact that], as a precaution against this vice, a moral code for monks, introduced as early as the 14th century, included a provision stating that they should "not befriend young children or teach them from books." In the monastic rule of Joseph Volotsky, it was forbidden to keep "beardless youths" in monasteries. [editor's translation] <ref>[https://libgen.li/ads267edbd1c32fbbe3cd644e38adc1e285RC85NHNN Averkiyev S.S. (2015) Influence of the Tatars on the Life of the Russian People. pp. 175-180]</ref></blockquote>

	==~~16th-~~17th Century Mayans, Aztecs, and Incas ==		==Up to 17th Century Mayans, Aztecs, and Incas ==
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	Among sixteenth and seventeenth century Mayans, missionaries reported a custom of youth-younger boy marriages. [...] Missionaries reported religious-based pederasty as common among the Aztecs and Incas. Sources: Greenberg (1988); Williams (1992)<ref name="Rind2013" />		Among sixteenth and seventeenth century Mayans, missionaries reported a custom of youth-younger boy marriages. [...] Missionaries reported religious-based pederasty as common among the Aztecs and Incas. Sources: Greenberg (1988); Williams (1992)<ref name="Rind2013" />

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	''Under the shoguns a new art form emerged which celebrated male beauty. In 1374 an eleven year old boy dancer ''[Zeami Motokiyo]''<ref>[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeami_Motokiyo Wiki page for Motokiyo]</ref> became the lover of the shogun, and under the shogun’s loving patronage he became a genius playwright and founder of the No theater for the shogun’s court.''<ref>[https://doi.org/10.3149/jms.0101.71 Walter L. Williams, 'From Samurai to Capitalist: Male Love, Men’s Roles, and the Rise Of Homophobia in Japan', ''Men's Studies'', Vol. 1, Issue 1 (1992), p. 73.]</ref>		''Under the shoguns a new art form emerged which celebrated male beauty. In 1374 an eleven year old boy dancer ''[Zeami Motokiyo]''<ref>[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeami_Motokiyo Wiki page for Motokiyo]</ref> became the lover of the shogun, and under the shogun’s loving patronage he became a genius playwright and founder of the No theater for the shogun’s court.''<ref>[https://doi.org/10.3149/jms.0101.71 Walter L. Williams, 'From Samurai to Capitalist: Male Love, Men’s Roles, and the Rise Of Homophobia in Japan', ''Men's Studies'', Vol. 1, Issue 1 (1992), p. 73.]</ref>
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			== 6th-17th Century Korea ==
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			''Pederasty at times common in the imperial realm. By sixth century CE, imperial court had hwarang (“flower boys”), a corps of young warriors made up of aristocratic youth chosen for beauty, education, and martial prowess. Various kings through the fourteenth century known to have had pederastic relations at the court. Monastic pederasty was widespread. Popularity of “beautiful boys” in seventeenth century entertainment indicates pederasty was common among the gentry. It was especially common among provincial gentlemen, some of whom kept boy-wives, a practice openly acknowledged in their villages.'' Source: Leupp (1995)<ref name="Rind2013" />
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	==11th-19th Century Japan==		==11th-19th Century Japan==
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	''From eleventh to nineteenth centuries, bisexuality (women, boys) was pervasive; over time pederasty appeared in three contexts (monastic, samurai, kabuki theater), the first two as mentorships with boys of ranking families, the last as prostitution; among samurai, it fostered loyalty and sacrifice in youths training to be warriors; shoguns and warlords from twelfth to eighteenth centuries involved in pederasty reads like a Who’s Who of military- political history; key seventeenth century author (Saikaku) illustrated its pervasive presence; another described typical ages of interest (10–13 = “blossoming flower;” 14–17 = “flourishing flower;” 18–21 = “falling flower”); tradition ended in late nineteenth century in response to Western abhorrence and efforts to modernize. Sources: Crompton (2003); Leupp (1995); Watanabe & Iwata (1989)''<ref name="Rind2013" />		''From eleventh to nineteenth centuries, bisexuality (women, boys) was pervasive; over time pederasty appeared in three contexts (monastic, samurai, kabuki theater), the first two as mentorships with boys of ranking families, the last as prostitution; among samurai, it fostered loyalty and sacrifice in youths training to be warriors; shoguns and warlords from twelfth to eighteenth centuries involved in pederasty reads like a Who’s Who of military- political history; key seventeenth century author (Saikaku) illustrated its pervasive presence; another described typical ages of interest (10–13 = “blossoming flower;” 14–17 = “flourishing flower;” 18–21 = “falling flower”); tradition ended in late nineteenth century in response to Western abhorrence and efforts to modernize.'' Sources: Crompton (2003); Leupp (1995); Watanabe & Iwata (1989)<ref name="Rind2013" />
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	==~~14th~~-~~16th~~ Century Japan==		==11th-19th Century Japan==
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			''From eleventh to nineteenth centuries, bisexuality (women, boys) was pervasive; over time pederasty appeared in three contexts (monastic, samurai, kabuki theater), the first two as mentorships with boys of ranking families, the last as prostitution; among samurai, it fostered loyalty and sacrifice in youths training to be warriors; shoguns and warlords from twelfth to eighteenth centuries involved in pederasty reads like a Who’s Who of military- political history; key seventeenth century author (Saikaku) illustrated its pervasive presence; another described typical ages of interest (10–13 = “blossoming flower;” 14–17 = “flourishing flower;” 18–21 = “falling flower”); tradition ended in late nineteenth century in response to Western abhorrence and efforts to modernize. Sources: Crompton (2003); Leupp (1995); Watanabe & Iwata (1989)''<ref name="Rind2013" />
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	In medieval [[Pederasty in Japanese culture\|Japan]] (14th–16th centuries), it was customary for elite families to entrust their young sons to the care of renowned Buddhist priests from whom they received a premier education in Buddhist scriptures, poetry, music, and dance. When the boys reached adolescence, some underwent coming-of-age rites, others entered the priesthood, and several extended their education, becoming chigo, or Buddhist acolytes. Chigo served their masters as personal attendants and as sexual partners. During religious ceremonies—adorned in colorful robes, their faces made up and hair styled in long ponytails—they entertained local donors and pilgrims with music and dance.<ref>[https://wapercyfoundation.org/?p=1133 See the original and the William Percy Foundation's review of: Tales of Idolized Boys: Male-Male Love in Medieval Japanese Buddhist Narratives, by Sachi Schmidt-Hori]</ref>		In medieval [[Pederasty in Japanese culture\|Japan]] (14th–16th centuries), it was customary for elite families to entrust their young sons to the care of renowned Buddhist priests from whom they received a premier education in Buddhist scriptures, poetry, music, and dance. When the boys reached adolescence, some underwent coming-of-age rites, others entered the priesthood, and several extended their education, becoming chigo, or Buddhist acolytes. Chigo served their masters as personal attendants and as sexual partners. During religious ceremonies—adorned in colorful robes, their faces made up and hair styled in long ponytails—they entertained local donors and pilgrims with music and dance.<ref>[https://wapercyfoundation.org/?p=1133 See the original and the William Percy Foundation's review of: Tales of Idolized Boys: Male-Male Love in Medieval Japanese Buddhist Narratives, by Sachi Schmidt-Hori]</ref>

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	<blockquote>It seems reasonable then to accept the occurrence of paederasty among the Persians - although it was forbidden - but our sources do not connect the practice with initiation or men's societies<ref name= "bremmer1980"/></blockquote>		<blockquote>It seems reasonable then to accept the occurrence of paederasty among the Persians - although it was forbidden - but our sources do not connect the practice with initiation or men's societies<ref name= "bremmer1980"/></blockquote>

	==~~10th~~ to 20th Century China==		==1st century BCE to 20th Century China==
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			''Multiple forms of male homosexuality (especially pederasty) occurred across 2 millennia of dynasties [Ages of Boys Involved 10–18 <ref name="Rind2013" />] ; cut sleeve became term for homosexual love (ca. 0 CE) when emperor cut his sleeve rather than waking up his boy favorite, who was on it; poetry after 220 CE often discussed beauty, charms of boys; marriage to boys was a common Fujian practice (ca. 1000 CE); key seventeeth century author (Li Yu) wrote a book illustrating popular interest in pederasty; Western visitors in nineteenth century expressed shock at prominent Chinese men openly courting boys (aged about 14-15); tradition ended in later nineteenth century with embarrassment at Western repugnance and efforts to modernize.'' Sources: Crompton (2003); Hinsch (1990); Leupp (1995) <ref name="Rind2013" />
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	An act similar to the "[[Age of Consent]]" was seen in ancient China. The punishment was quite severe, exile for misdemeanors, and hanged or beheaded for serious crimes.		An act similar to the "[[Age of Consent]]" was seen in ancient China. The punishment was quite severe, exile for misdemeanors, and hanged or beheaded for serious crimes.

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	It is certain that pederasty was already widespread in Greek culture in the early Archaic Age (600-800 BC). It had strong institutional character in Crete and Sparta and educational connotations in Athens, and seemingly was derived from earlier initiatory practices in history. It should not be confused with modern adult-adult homosexuality, since the relationships were structured by age and social asymmetry, and the younger participants were expected to marry later. Regarding sexual aspect, the younger participant occupied the passive role. On earlier black-figure vases, the scenes are much more explicit with the predominance of anal intercourse. On later red-figure vases, couples are often represented in an intercrural position, with contact between the thighs rather than a depicted anal act, but anal intercourse still appears to be implicitly assumed. Males generally quitted playing the passive role when their beards appeared.<ref name="bremmer2021"> Jan N. Bremmer (2021) [https://www.amazon.com/Becoming-Man-Ancient-Greece-Rome/dp/3161590082 Becoming a Man in Ancient Greece and Rome. Essays on Myths and Rituals of Initiation.] (available via [[Help:Research_Resources#Information_Freedom_Companions\|OPTION 2]])</ref>		It is certain that pederasty was already widespread in Greek culture in the early Archaic Age (600-800 BC). It had strong institutional character in Crete and Sparta and educational connotations in Athens, and seemingly was derived from earlier initiatory practices in history. It should not be confused with modern adult-adult homosexuality, since the relationships were structured by age and social asymmetry, and the younger participants were expected to marry later. Regarding sexual aspect, the younger participant occupied the passive role. On earlier black-figure vases, the scenes are much more explicit with the predominance of anal intercourse. On later red-figure vases, couples are often represented in an intercrural position, with contact between the thighs rather than a depicted anal act, but anal intercourse still appears to be implicitly assumed. Males generally quitted playing the passive role when their beards appeared.<ref name="bremmer2021"> Jan N. Bremmer (2021) [https://www.amazon.com/Becoming-Man-Ancient-Greece-Rome/dp/3161590082 Becoming a Man in Ancient Greece and Rome. Essays on Myths and Rituals of Initiation.] (available via [[Help:Research_Resources#Information_Freedom_Companions\|OPTION 2]])</ref>

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			[Pederasty] Had mentoring function (prepared elite boys for adult roles as warriors, citizens). Boyish beauty repeatedly valorized in the arts (e.g., love poetry, pottery); body hair (face, legs) ended boys’ attractiveness; bisexual interests (women, boys) widespread; attraction to other adult men scorned. Notables with pederastic interests: poets (e.g., Alcaeus, Ibycus, Anacreon, Theognis, Pindar); playwrights (e.g., Aeschylus, Sophocles, Euripides); political leaders (e.g., Solon, Demosthenes, Agesilaus, Philip, Alexander); philosophers (e.g., Socrates, Plato, Zeno, Chrysippus). Eroded with rise of Christianity. Sources: Crompton (2003); Hubbard (2003); Lear (2004); Lear & Cantarella (2008) <ref name="Rind2013"> [https://greek-love.com/media/PDFs/Rind.Pederasty.an.Integration.pdf Rind, B. (2013). Pederasty: An Integration of Empirical, Historical, Sociological, Cross-Cultural, Cross-Species, and Evolutionary Evidence and Perspectives.] In: Thomas K Hubbard, Beert Verstraete (Eds.), [[Censoring Sex Research\|Censoring Sex Research: The Debate over Male Intergenerational Relations]]. (pp. 1-90) ''New York: Routledge.'' doi:10.4324/9781315432458</ref>
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	In the late Archaic period the male intergenerational institution was no longer dominated by mature adult men initiating adolescents into the adult male world. Younger men increasingly replaced older, adolescents were replaced by younger boys. At the same time, their courtship was represented less directly and more cautiously.<ref name="bremmer2021"/>		In the late Archaic period the male intergenerational institution was no longer dominated by mature adult men initiating adolescents into the adult male world. Younger men increasingly replaced older, adolescents were replaced by younger boys. At the same time, their courtship was represented less directly and more cautiously.<ref name="bremmer2021"/>
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	Also in ancient Sparta it was customary for adult noble women to have intercourse with beloved girls before their marriage. It may be considered proven that male paederasty in Sparta had a Lesbian counterpart in female initiation.<ref name= "bremmer1980"/> In the case of Sappho [Lesbos, 700 – 600 BCE] the same ritual background is visible with some evidence of erotic relationships between women and girls. Their relationships also expected to be nonexclusive, i.e. adult women had husbands and girls married men as they grew older.<ref> André Lardinois (1989) [https://www.taylorfrancis.com/chapters/edit/10.4324/9781315770055-3/lesbian-sappho-sappho-lesbos-andr%C3%A9-lardinois Lesbian Sappho and Sappho of Lesbos ]. in: Jan N. Bremmer (ed.) (1989) From Sappho to De Sade: Moments in the History of Sexuality. (available via [[Help:Research_Resources#Information_Freedom_Companions\|OPTION 2]])</ref>		Also in ancient Sparta it was customary for adult noble women to have intercourse with beloved girls before their marriage. It may be considered proven that male paederasty in Sparta had a Lesbian counterpart in female initiation.<ref name= "bremmer1980"/> In the case of Sappho [Lesbos, 700 – 600 BCE] the same ritual background is visible with some evidence of erotic relationships between women and girls. Their relationships also expected to be nonexclusive, i.e. adult women had husbands and girls married men as they grew older.<ref> André Lardinois (1989) [https://www.taylorfrancis.com/chapters/edit/10.4324/9781315770055-3/lesbian-sappho-sappho-lesbos-andr%C3%A9-lardinois Lesbian Sappho and Sappho of Lesbos ]. in: Jan N. Bremmer (ed.) (1989) From Sappho to De Sade: Moments in the History of Sexuality. (available via [[Help:Research_Resources#Information_Freedom_Companions\|OPTION 2]])</ref>
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	[Pederasty] Had mentoring function (prepared elite boys for adult roles as warriors, citizens). Boyish beauty repeatedly valorized in the arts (e.g., love poetry, pottery); body hair (face, legs) ended boys’ attractiveness; bisexual interests (women, boys) widespread; attraction to other adult men scorned. Notables with pederastic interests: poets (e.g., Alcaeus, Ibycus, Anacreon, Theognis, Pindar); playwrights (e.g., Aeschylus, Sophocles, Euripides); political leaders (e.g., Solon, Demosthenes, Agesilaus, Philip, Alexander); philosophers (e.g., Socrates, Plato, Zeno, Chrysippus). Eroded with rise of Christianity. Sources: Crompton (2003); Hubbard (2003); Lear (2004); Lear & Cantarella (2008) <ref name="Rind2013"> [https://greek-love.com/media/PDFs/Rind.Pederasty.an.Integration.pdf Rind, B. (2013). Pederasty: An Integration of Empirical, Historical, Sociological, Cross-Cultural, Cross-Species, and Evolutionary Evidence and Perspectives.] In: Thomas K Hubbard, Beert Verstraete (Eds.), [[Censoring Sex Research\|Censoring Sex Research: The Debate over Male Intergenerational Relations]]. (pp. 1-90) ''New York: Routledge.'' doi:10.4324/9781315432458</ref>
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	=== Goths ===		=== Goths ===

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19th and early 20th Century Hobos (USA)

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	==19th and early 20th Century Hobos (USA)==		==19th and early 20th Century Hobos (USA)==
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	Between 1880 and 1930, sexual relations between men and adolescent boys were commonplace among transient workers in the Pacific Northwest. Developing industries (e.g., lumber, mining) drew in large numbers of unmarried men and male youths from other parts of the United States to perform backbreaking work. They lived and worked in all-male societies, which fostered intergenerational sex (rather than age-equal sex). Their relations were social, not just sexual—the boys often served domestic functions for the men. In return, they got various benefits (e.g., advice, apprenticing, emotional support, safety, protection). By the 1930s, these all-male societies eroded, owing to mechanization (which reduced brute-strength work) and population expansion (with more women). These changes, along with constant policing activity (the middle class saw pederasty as a threat to their youth and the family), helped to dissolve the tradition. Sources: Boag, (2003); Flynt (1927); Williams (1992)		Between 1880 and 1930, sexual relations between men and adolescent boys were commonplace among transient workers in the Pacific Northwest. Developing industries (e.g., lumber, mining) drew in large numbers of unmarried men and male youths from other parts of the United States to perform backbreaking work. They lived and worked in all-male societies, which fostered intergenerational sex (rather than age-equal sex). Their relations were social, not just sexual—the boys often served domestic functions for the men. In return, they got various benefits (e.g., advice, apprenticing, emotional support, safety, protection). By the 1930s, these all-male societies eroded, owing to mechanization (which reduced brute-strength work) and population expansion (with more women). These changes, along with constant policing activity (the middle class saw pederasty as a threat to their youth and the family), helped to dissolve the tradition. Sources: Boag, (2003); Flynt (1927); Williams (1992)<ref name="Rind2013" />
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