San Francisco Gay Men's Chorus - Revision history

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The Admins at 12:06, 20 March 2023

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	<blockquote>''The song is not shy about what the San Francisco Gay Men’s Chorus hopes to accomplish, repeatedly singing, ‘We’re coming for them, we’re coming for your children.’ That’s not creepy or paedophilic at all…''<ref name=PinkNews /></blockquote>		<blockquote>''The song is not shy about what the San Francisco Gay Men’s Chorus hopes to accomplish, repeatedly singing, ‘We’re coming for them, we’re coming for your children.’ That’s not creepy or paedophilic at all…''<ref name=PinkNews /></blockquote>

	Other conservative outlets described the song's writers, Charlie Sohne and Tim Rosser as "pro-pedophile", pointing to previous work on the subject of [[Bacha Bazi]] (dancing boys).<ref>[https://spectator.org/gay-choir-children/ American Spectator: ‘We’ll Convert Your Children,’ Says Gay Men’s Choir]</ref><ref>[https://rairfoundation.com/exposed-pro-pedophilia-writers-behind-lgbt-song-threatening-to-convert-your-children-video/ RAIR: EXPOSED: Pro-Pedophilia Writers Behind LGBT Song Threatening to 'Convert Your Children' (Video)]</ref>		Other conservative outlets described the song's writers, Charlie Sohne and Tim Rosser as "pro-pedophile", pointing to previous work on the subject of [[Pederasty in Islam\|Bacha Bazi]] (dancing boys).<ref>[https://spectator.org/gay-choir-children/ American Spectator: ‘We’ll Convert Your Children,’ Says Gay Men’s Choir]</ref><ref>[https://rairfoundation.com/exposed-pro-pedophilia-writers-behind-lgbt-song-threatening-to-convert-your-children-video/ RAIR: EXPOSED: Pro-Pedophilia Writers Behind LGBT Song Threatening to 'Convert Your Children' (Video)]</ref>

	SFGMC then restored their video and released a statement:		SFGMC then restored their video and released a statement:

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	SFGMC then restored their video and released a statement:		SFGMC then restored their video and released a statement:

	<blockquote>''The far-right conservative media found our ‘Message…’ video and have taken it as their cause. This has all happened in the last 24 hours and it continues to pick up steam [...] They have taken the lyrics out of context to support a narrative that suits their intolerant and hateful needs. It is obvious the tongue-in-cheek humour is lost on many [...] As a result, we have seen the user comments on YouTube, Facebook and Instagram become increasingly alarming. Emails to individuals and the chorus office are vitriolic – including threats of harm. [...] [the controversy] proves that our message is critically necessary in today’s world… we will continue to counter the message of hate by teaching young people to be tolerant and fair.''<ref name=PinkNews /></blockquote>		<blockquote>''The far-right conservative media found our ‘Message…’ video and have taken it as their cause. This has all happened in the last 24 hours and it continues to pick up steam ''[...]'' They have taken the lyrics out of context to support a narrative that suits their intolerant and hateful needs. It is obvious the tongue-in-cheek humour is lost on many ''[...]'' As a result, we have seen the user comments on YouTube, Facebook and Instagram become increasingly alarming. Emails to individuals and the chorus office are vitriolic – including threats of harm. ''[...] [the controversy]'' proves that our message is critically necessary in today’s world… we will continue to counter the message of hate by teaching young people to be tolerant and fair.''<ref name=PinkNews /></blockquote>

	Right-wing commentators then reacted with further outrage, stating that in the SFGMC's own words, the video could not have been satirical. One fringe website named ''"Evangelical Dark Web"'' even attempted to imply that SFGMC likely contained numerous sex offenders - leading to a further wave of controversy on social media.<ref>[https://evangelicaldarkweb.org/2021/07/14/san-francisco-gay-mens-chorus-full-list-of-possible-sex-offenders/ Evangelical Dark Web - Suggests numerous RSOs in SFGMC]</ref> The methods used in this matching process are likely to be questionable.<ref>[https://misbar.com/en/factcheck/2021/07/16/far-right-news-sites-spread-false-claims-about-san-francisco-gay-mens-choir Misbar Fact Check]</ref>		Right-wing commentators then reacted with further outrage, stating that in the SFGMC's own words, the video could not have been satirical. One fringe website named ''"Evangelical Dark Web"'' even attempted to imply that SFGMC likely contained numerous sex offenders - leading to a further wave of controversy on social media.<ref>[https://evangelicaldarkweb.org/2021/07/14/san-francisco-gay-mens-chorus-full-list-of-possible-sex-offenders/ Evangelical Dark Web - Suggests numerous RSOs in SFGMC]</ref> The methods used in this matching process are likely to be questionable.<ref>[https://misbar.com/en/factcheck/2021/07/16/far-right-news-sites-spread-false-claims-about-san-francisco-gay-mens-choir Misbar Fact Check]</ref>

The Admins at 20:48, 19 March 2023

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	==July 2021 "pedophilia" controversy==		==July 2021 "pedophilia" controversy==

	SFGMC generated controversy<ref name=PinkNews>[https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2021/07/09/sf-gay-mens-chorus-song-alex-jones/ Emma Powys Maurice (July 9, 2021). "Right-wing cranks flip out over hilarious Gay Men's Chorus song about grooming kids and teaching tolerance". ''Pink News.'']</ref><ref>[https://www.foxnews.com/us/san-francisco-gay-mens-chorus-your-children FOX News on the controversy]</ref> when they released a song on YouTube on July 1, 2021 titled ''"A Message from the Gay Community"''. The lyrics were by Charlie Sohne and music by Tim Rosser with the chorus featuring lead vocals by Troy Iwata and Daniel Quadrino. The song talked about "converting" children to the [[Historical examples of LGBT-MAP unity\|gay rights movement]], and included lines such as "We're coming for your children", "You won't approve of where they go at night", and "You think that we'll corrupt your kids if our agenda goes unchecked... Funny, just this once, you're correct". There was a strong negative reaction to the song online from right wing outlets, with TMZ reporting that the group received death threats,<ref name=TMZ>[https://www.tmz.com/2021/07/09/san-francisco-gay-mens-chorus-convert-your-children-controversial-song-backlash-death-threats/ San Francsico Gay Men's Chorus We're Standing By Controversial Song ... In Face Of Death Threats. ''TMZ.'']</ref> and the video was temporarily set to private ~~before being restored on July 9 along with a statement from the group~~.		SFGMC generated controversy<ref name=PinkNews>[https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2021/07/09/sf-gay-mens-chorus-song-alex-jones/ Emma Powys Maurice (July 9, 2021). "Right-wing cranks flip out over hilarious Gay Men's Chorus song about grooming kids and teaching tolerance". ''Pink News.'']</ref><ref>[https://www.foxnews.com/us/san-francisco-gay-mens-chorus-your-children FOX News on the controversy]</ref> when they released a song on YouTube on July 1, 2021 titled ''"A Message from the Gay Community"''. The lyrics were by Charlie Sohne and music by Tim Rosser with the chorus featuring lead vocals by Troy Iwata and Daniel Quadrino. The song talked about "converting" children to the [[Historical examples of LGBT-MAP unity\|gay rights movement]], and included lines such as "We're coming for your children", "You won't approve of where they go at night", and "You think that we'll corrupt your kids if our agenda goes unchecked... Funny, just this once, you're correct". There was a strong negative reaction to the song online from right wing outlets, with TMZ reporting that the group received death threats,<ref name=TMZ>[https://www.tmz.com/2021/07/09/san-francisco-gay-mens-chorus-convert-your-children-controversial-song-backlash-death-threats/ San Francsico Gay Men's Chorus We're Standing By Controversial Song ... In Face Of Death Threats. ''TMZ.'']</ref> and the video was temporarily set to private.

	===Reactionary outrage===		===Reactionary outrage===
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	Alt-Right personality, Alex Jones, for example, opined:		Alt-Right personality, Alex Jones, for example, opined:

	:''"The song is not shy about what the San Francisco Gay Men’s Chorus hopes to accomplish, repeatedly singing, ‘We’re coming for them, we’re coming for your children.’ That’s not creepy or paedophilic at all…"''<ref name=PinkNews />		<blockquote>''The song is not shy about what the San Francisco Gay Men’s Chorus hopes to accomplish, repeatedly singing, ‘We’re coming for them, we’re coming for your children.’ That’s not creepy or paedophilic at all…''<ref name=PinkNews /></blockquote>

	~~SFGMC then released a statement~~:		Other conservative outlets described the song's writers, Charlie Sohne and Tim Rosser as "pro-pedophile", pointing to previous work on the subject of [[Bacha Bazi]] (dancing boys).<ref>[https://spectator.org/gay-choir-children/ American Spectator: ‘We’ll Convert Your Children,’ Says Gay Men’s Choir]</ref><ref>[https://rairfoundation.com/exposed-pro-pedophilia-writers-behind-lgbt-song-threatening-to-convert-your-children-video/ RAIR: EXPOSED: Pro-Pedophilia Writers Behind LGBT Song Threatening to 'Convert Your Children' (Video)]</ref>

	:''~~“The~~ far-right conservative media found our ‘Message…’ video and have taken it as their cause. This has all happened in the last 24 hours and it continues to pick up steam [...] They have taken the lyrics out of context to support a narrative that suits their intolerant and hateful needs. It is obvious the tongue-in-cheek humour is lost on many [...] As a result, we have seen the user comments on YouTube, Facebook and Instagram become increasingly alarming. Emails to individuals and the chorus office are vitriolic – including threats of harm. [...] [the controversy] proves that our message is critically necessary in today’s world… we will continue to counter the message of hate by teaching young people to be tolerant and fair.”''<ref name=PinkNews />		SFGMC then restored their video and released a statement:

			<blockquote>''The far-right conservative media found our ‘Message…’ video and have taken it as their cause. This has all happened in the last 24 hours and it continues to pick up steam [...] They have taken the lyrics out of context to support a narrative that suits their intolerant and hateful needs. It is obvious the tongue-in-cheek humour is lost on many [...] As a result, we have seen the user comments on YouTube, Facebook and Instagram become increasingly alarming. Emails to individuals and the chorus office are vitriolic – including threats of harm. [...] [the controversy] proves that our message is critically necessary in today’s world… we will continue to counter the message of hate by teaching young people to be tolerant and fair.''<ref name=PinkNews /></blockquote>

	Right-wing commentators then reacted with further outrage, stating that in the SFGMC's own words, the video could not have been satirical. One fringe website named ''"Evangelical Dark Web"'' even attempted to imply that SFGMC likely contained numerous sex offenders - leading to a further wave of controversy on social media.<ref>[https://evangelicaldarkweb.org/2021/07/14/san-francisco-gay-mens-chorus-full-list-of-possible-sex-offenders/ Evangelical Dark Web - Suggests numerous RSOs in SFGMC]</ref> The methods used in this matching process are likely to be questionable.<ref>[https://misbar.com/en/factcheck/2021/07/16/far-right-news-sites-spread-false-claims-about-san-francisco-gay-mens-choir Misbar Fact Check]</ref>		Right-wing commentators then reacted with further outrage, stating that in the SFGMC's own words, the video could not have been satirical. One fringe website named ''"Evangelical Dark Web"'' even attempted to imply that SFGMC likely contained numerous sex offenders - leading to a further wave of controversy on social media.<ref>[https://evangelicaldarkweb.org/2021/07/14/san-francisco-gay-mens-chorus-full-list-of-possible-sex-offenders/ Evangelical Dark Web - Suggests numerous RSOs in SFGMC]</ref> The methods used in this matching process are likely to be questionable.<ref>[https://misbar.com/en/factcheck/2021/07/16/far-right-news-sites-spread-false-claims-about-san-francisco-gay-mens-choir Misbar Fact Check]</ref>

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	:''“The far-right conservative media found our ‘Message…’ video and have taken it as their cause. This has all happened in the last 24 hours and it continues to pick up steam [...] They have taken the lyrics out of context to support a narrative that suits their intolerant and hateful needs. It is obvious the tongue-in-cheek humour is lost on many [...] As a result, we have seen the user comments on YouTube, Facebook and Instagram become increasingly alarming. Emails to individuals and the chorus office are vitriolic – including threats of harm. [...] [the controversy] proves that our message is critically necessary in today’s world… we will continue to counter the message of hate by teaching young people to be tolerant and fair.”''<ref name=PinkNews />		:''“The far-right conservative media found our ‘Message…’ video and have taken it as their cause. This has all happened in the last 24 hours and it continues to pick up steam [...] They have taken the lyrics out of context to support a narrative that suits their intolerant and hateful needs. It is obvious the tongue-in-cheek humour is lost on many [...] As a result, we have seen the user comments on YouTube, Facebook and Instagram become increasingly alarming. Emails to individuals and the chorus office are vitriolic – including threats of harm. [...] [the controversy] proves that our message is critically necessary in today’s world… we will continue to counter the message of hate by teaching young people to be tolerant and fair.”''<ref name=PinkNews />

	Right-wing commentators then reacted with further outrage, stating that in the SFGMC's own words, the video could not have been satirical. One fringe website named ''"Evangelical Dark Web"'' even attempted to imply that SFGMC likely contained numerous sex offenders - leading to a further wave of controversy on social media.<ref>[https://evangelicaldarkweb.org/2021/07/14/san-francisco-gay-mens-chorus-full-list-of-possible-sex-offenders/ Evangelical Dark Web - Suggests numerous RSOs in SFGMC]</ref> The methods used in this matching process are likely be questionable.<ref>[https://misbar.com/en/factcheck/2021/07/16/far-right-news-sites-spread-false-claims-about-san-francisco-gay-mens-choir Misbar Fact Check]</ref>		Right-wing commentators then reacted with further outrage, stating that in the SFGMC's own words, the video could not have been satirical. One fringe website named ''"Evangelical Dark Web"'' even attempted to imply that SFGMC likely contained numerous sex offenders - leading to a further wave of controversy on social media.<ref>[https://evangelicaldarkweb.org/2021/07/14/san-francisco-gay-mens-chorus-full-list-of-possible-sex-offenders/ Evangelical Dark Web - Suggests numerous RSOs in SFGMC]</ref> The methods used in this matching process are likely to be questionable.<ref>[https://misbar.com/en/factcheck/2021/07/16/far-right-news-sites-spread-false-claims-about-san-francisco-gay-mens-choir Misbar Fact Check]</ref>

	==See also==		==See also==

The Admins at 19:19, 13 June 2022

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	*[[MAPocalypse]]		*[[MAPocalypse]]
	*[["Pedophile Activism" hoaxes]].		*[["Pedophile Activism" hoaxes]].

			==External links==

			*[https://genius.com/San-francisco-gay-mens-chorus-a-message-from-the-gay-community-lyrics Full Lyrics]

	==References==		==References==

	[[Category:Official Encyclopedia]][[Category:Gay]][[Category:Hysteria]][[Category:Organisations]][[Category:Organisations: Real-life]][[Category:Organisations: American]][[Category:History & Events]][[Category:History & Events: American]][[Category:History & Events: 2020s]][[Category:Anti-Pedophile culture]][[Category:History & Events: Moral controversies]]		[[Category:Official Encyclopedia]][[Category:Gay]][[Category:Hysteria]][[Category:Organisations]][[Category:Organisations: Real-life]][[Category:Organisations: American]][[Category:History & Events]][[Category:History & Events: American]][[Category:History & Events: 2020s]][[Category:Anti-Pedophile culture]][[Category:History & Events: Moral controversies]]

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	[[File:SFGMC.png\|thumb\|Screencap from the now infamous video]]		[[File:SFGMC.png\|thumb\|Screencap from the now infamous video]]
	The '''San Francisco Gay Men's Chorus''' (SFGMC), [[Wikipedia:San ~~Fransisco~~ Gay Men's Chorus\|according to Wikipedia]], is the world's first openly gay chorus, one of the world's largest male choruses, and the group most often credited with creating the LGBT choral movement.		The '''San Francisco Gay Men's Chorus''' (SFGMC), [[Wikipedia:San Francisco Gay Men's Chorus\|according to Wikipedia]], is the world's first openly gay chorus, one of the world's largest male choruses, and the group most often credited with creating the LGBT choral movement.

	==July 2021 "pedophilia" controversy==		==July 2021 "pedophilia" controversy==

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2022-06-12T11:34:37Z

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[[File:SFGMC.png|thumb|Screencap from the now infamous video]]
The '''San Francisco Gay Men's Chorus''' (SFGMC), [[Wikipedia:San Fransisco Gay Men's Chorus|according to Wikipedia]], is the world's first openly gay chorus, one of the world's largest male choruses, and the group most often credited with creating the LGBT choral movement.

==July 2021 "pedophilia" controversy==

SFGMC generated controversy<ref name=PinkNews>[https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2021/07/09/sf-gay-mens-chorus-song-alex-jones/ Emma Powys Maurice (July 9, 2021). "Right-wing cranks flip out over hilarious Gay Men's Chorus song about grooming kids and teaching tolerance". ''Pink News.'']</ref><ref>[https://www.foxnews.com/us/san-francisco-gay-mens-chorus-your-children FOX News on the controversy]</ref> when they released a song on YouTube on July 1, 2021 titled ''"A Message from the Gay Community"''. The lyrics were by Charlie Sohne and music by Tim Rosser with the chorus featuring lead vocals by Troy Iwata and Daniel Quadrino. The song talked about "converting" children to the [[Historical examples of LGBT-MAP unity|gay rights movement]], and included lines such as "We're coming for your children", "You won't approve of where they go at night", and "You think that we'll corrupt your kids if our agenda goes unchecked... Funny, just this once, you're correct". There was a strong negative reaction to the song online from right wing outlets, with TMZ reporting that the group received death threats,<ref name=TMZ>[https://www.tmz.com/2021/07/09/san-francisco-gay-mens-chorus-convert-your-children-controversial-song-backlash-death-threats/ San Francsico Gay Men's Chorus We're Standing By Controversial Song ... In Face Of Death Threats. ''TMZ.'']</ref> and the video was temporarily set to private before being restored on July 9 along with a statement from the group.

===Reactionary outrage===

Social Media Conservatives appeared to misinterpret both the satirical nature of the performance, and its attempts at promoting tolerance - particularly among the children of non-LGBT people.

Alt-Right personality, Alex Jones, for example, opined:

:''"The song is not shy about what the San Francisco Gay Men’s Chorus hopes to accomplish, repeatedly singing, ‘We’re coming for them, we’re coming for your children.’ That’s not creepy or paedophilic at all…"''<ref name=PinkNews />

SFGMC then released a statement:

:''“The far-right conservative media found our ‘Message…’ video and have taken it as their cause. This has all happened in the last 24 hours and it continues to pick up steam [...] They have taken the lyrics out of context to support a narrative that suits their intolerant and hateful needs. It is obvious the tongue-in-cheek humour is lost on many [...] As a result, we have seen the user comments on YouTube, Facebook and Instagram become increasingly alarming. Emails to individuals and the chorus office are vitriolic – including threats of harm. [...] [the controversy] proves that our message is critically necessary in today’s world… we will continue to counter the message of hate by teaching young people to be tolerant and fair.”''<ref name=PinkNews />

Right-wing commentators then reacted with further outrage, stating that in the SFGMC's own words, the video could not have been satirical. One fringe website named ''"Evangelical Dark Web"'' even attempted to imply that SFGMC likely contained numerous sex offenders - leading to a further wave of controversy on social media.<ref>[https://evangelicaldarkweb.org/2021/07/14/san-francisco-gay-mens-chorus-full-list-of-possible-sex-offenders/ Evangelical Dark Web - Suggests numerous RSOs in SFGMC]</ref> The methods used in this matching process are likely be questionable.<ref>[https://misbar.com/en/factcheck/2021/07/16/far-right-news-sites-spread-false-claims-about-san-francisco-gay-mens-choir Misbar Fact Check]</ref>

==See also==

*[[Historical examples of LGBT-MAP unity]]
*[[MAPocalypse]]

==References==

[[Category:Official Encyclopedia]][[Category:Gay]][[Category:Hysteria]][[Category:Organisations]][[Category:Organisations: Real-life]][[Category:Organisations: American]][[Category:History & Events]][[Category:History & Events: American]][[Category:History & Events: 2020s]][[Category:Anti-Pedophile culture]][[Category:History & Events: Moral controversies]]

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	*[[MAPocalypse]]		*[[MAPocalypse]]
	*[["Pedophile Activism" hoaxes]].		*[["Pedophile Activism" hoaxes]]
			*[[Monkey Mayhem Incident]]

	==External links==		==External links==

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			*[["Pedophile Activism" hoaxes]].

	==References==		==References==

	[[Category:Official Encyclopedia]][[Category:Gay]][[Category:Hysteria]][[Category:Organisations]][[Category:Organisations: Real-life]][[Category:Organisations: American]][[Category:History & Events]][[Category:History & Events: American]][[Category:History & Events: 2020s]][[Category:Anti-Pedophile culture]][[Category:History & Events: Moral controversies]]		[[Category:Official Encyclopedia]][[Category:Gay]][[Category:Hysteria]][[Category:Organisations]][[Category:Organisations: Real-life]][[Category:Organisations: American]][[Category:History & Events]][[Category:History & Events: American]][[Category:History & Events: 2020s]][[Category:Anti-Pedophile culture]][[Category:History & Events: Moral controversies]]