Sexual sadism controversies - Revision history

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	Much of the controversy relates to realpolitik, i.e. public image, assimilation, optics. There is a widespread idea that identities intersecting sadism with already marginalized traits, might pose the potential of social harm via callout, name-and-shame campaigns and cringe/lolcow fora used for doxing of paraphilies and trans people.		Much of the controversy relates to realpolitik, i.e. public image, assimilation, optics. There is a widespread idea that identities intersecting sadism with already marginalized traits, might pose the potential of social harm via callout, name-and-shame campaigns and cringe/lolcow fora used for doxing of paraphilies and trans people.

	''Pedosadism'' (a term once used by [[Anonymous]]) is a classic example of such an intersectional identity, although very few sadistic MAPs identify as pedosadists. Some MAPs worry that identities such as "pedosadist" are being introduced by infiltrators, in order to sow disharmony in the larger group.		''Pedosadism'' (a term once used in a hostile manner by [[Anonymous]]) is a classic example of such an intersectional identity, although very few sadistic MAPs identify as pedosadists. Some MAPs worry that identities such as "pedosadist" are being introduced by infiltrators, in order to sow disharmony in the larger group.

	Another question invariably raised by sexual sadism controversies, is whether a sadistic interest in, for example, animals or children is a form of zoo- or [[pedophilia]]. Or whether these traits automatically qualify a person as part of the Zoo or MAP communities. It is often pointed out that sadism is not inherently sexual, and many sadists would not wish to be described as Zoophiles or Pedophiles.		Another question invariably raised by sexual sadism controversies, is whether a sadistic interest in, for example, animals or children is a form of zoo- or [[pedophilia]]. Or whether these traits automatically qualify a person as part of the Zoo or MAP communities. It is often pointed out that sadism is not inherently sexual, and many sadists would not wish to be described as Zoophiles or Pedophiles.

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	==In-group/Out-group==		==In-group/Out-group==

	The main theme of such controversies is the inclusion or exclusion of sadistic individuals (the out-group) from the larger in-group. Similar dynamics have been seen with biastophiles (individuals who are aroused by the idea of rape) and necrophiles. Historically, BDSM culture and trans people have also struggled to integrate within the broader ~~LGBT~~ community.		The main theme of such controversies is the inclusion or exclusion of sadistic individuals (the out-group) from the larger in-group. Similar dynamics have been seen with biastophiles (individuals who are aroused by the idea of rape) and necrophiles. Historically, BDSM culture and trans people have also struggled to integrate within the broader LGB (TQ+) community.

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	*[[Paraphilia]]		*[[Paraphilia]]
			*[[Attraction ≠ Action]]
	*[[Validity Policing]]		*[[Validity Policing]]
	*[[Big 3 (Paraphilia)]]		*[[Big 3 (Paraphilia)]]

Jim Burton at 20:47, 2 August 2025

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	~~__NOTOC__'''Sexual sadism controversies''' have been visible within already~~ marginalized ~~online communities~~ such as ~~the~~ [[Minor Attracted Person\|MAP]] ~~community,~~ and ~~among~~ Zoophiles~~. They typically revolve around the inclusion or exclusion of sadistic individuals from the larger group. Similar dynamics~~ have been seen ~~with biastophilic (rape) and necrophilic individuals, and historically with BDSM culture and trans people~~ in ~~the LGBT community~~.		__NOTOC__Within marginalized groups such as [[Minor Attracted Person\|MAP]]s and Zoophiles, '''sexual sadism controversies''' have been seen in online discourse.

	Much of the controversy relates to realpolitik, i.e. public image, assimilation, optics, or the idea that identities intersecting sadism with already marginalized traits, might pose the potential of social harm via callout, name-~~and~~-shame campaigns and cringe/lolcow fora used for doxing of paraphilies and trans people. ''Pedosadism'' (a term once used by [[Anonymous]]) is a classic example of such an intersectional identity, although very few sadistic MAPs identify as pedosadists.		==In-group/Out-group==

	The ~~sexual sadism debate~~ is ~~further complicated~~ by the ~~fact~~ that sadism ~~typically refers to pleasure derived from~~ the ~~act~~ of ~~causing~~ harm, ~~rather than simply the idea~~. ~~Terms such as "Zoosadophilia"~~ (~~as opposed to the highly loaded~~ [[~~Wikipedia:Zoosadism\|Zoosadism~~]]) ~~have emerged in online communities~~, although ~~some self-identified Zoosadists still refuse~~ to ~~adopt this terminology~~.		The main theme of such controversies is the inclusion or exclusion of sadistic individuals (the out-group) from the larger in-group. Similar dynamics have been seen with biastophiles (individuals who are aroused by the idea of rape) and necrophiles. Historically, BDSM culture and trans people have also struggled to integrate within the broader LGBT community.

			==Motivations==

			Much of the controversy relates to realpolitik, i.e. public image, assimilation, optics. There is a widespread idea that identities intersecting sadism with already marginalized traits, might pose the potential of social harm via callout, name-and-shame campaigns and cringe/lolcow fora used for doxing of paraphilies and trans people.

			''Pedosadism'' (a term once used by [[Anonymous]]) is a classic example of such an intersectional identity, although very few sadistic MAPs identify as pedosadists. Some MAPs worry that identities such as "pedosadist" are being introduced by infiltrators, in order to sow disharmony in the larger group.

	Another question invariably raised by sexual sadism controversies, is whether a sadistic interest in, for example, animals or children is a form of zoo- or [[pedophilia]]. Or whether these traits automatically qualify a person as part of the Zoo or MAP communities. It is often pointed out that sadism is not inherently sexual, and many sadists would not wish to be described as Zoophiles or Pedophiles.		Another question invariably raised by sexual sadism controversies, is whether a sadistic interest in, for example, animals or children is a form of zoo- or [[pedophilia]]. Or whether these traits automatically qualify a person as part of the Zoo or MAP communities. It is often pointed out that sadism is not inherently sexual, and many sadists would not wish to be described as Zoophiles or Pedophiles.

	Within the MAP community, [[pro-c]] groups, while generally inclusive of sadistic individuals, tend to be open to the idea of intersectional harm spanning from the linkage of sexual sadism with e.g. attraction to minors. Since this would appear to support the pattern already familiar in popular stereotyping of MAPs as violent sexual offenders, pro-c groups of MAPs and Zoophiles tend to be skeptical towards pedosadism and zoosadism, at least as identity. Anti-c groups tend to be more divided, with the older groups wanting nothing to do with sadistic individuals (or to subject them to stringent behavioural controls), and the younger groups such as [[NNIA]] offering a safe space to self-identified anti-c pedosadists and zoosadists.		==Acts versus attractions==

			The sexual sadism debate is further complicated by the fact that sadism typically refers to pleasure derived from the ''act'' of causing harm, rather than simply the ''idea''. Terms such as "Zoosadophilia" (as opposed to the highly loaded [[Wikipedia:Zoosadism\|Zoosadism]]) have emerged in online communities, although some self-identified Zoosadists still refuse to adopt this terminology.

			==Pro and anti-c takes==

			Within the MAP community, [[pro-c]] groups, while generally inclusive of sadistic individuals, tend to be open to the idea of intersectional harm spanning from the linkage of sexual sadism with e.g. attraction to minors. Since this would appear to support the pattern already familiar in popular stereotyping of MAPs as violent sexual offenders, pro-c groups of MAPs and Zoophiles tend to be skeptical towards pedosadism and zoosadism, at least as identity.

			Anti-c groups tend to be more divided, with the older groups wanting nothing to do with sadistic individuals (or to subject them to stringent behavioural controls), and the younger groups such as [[NNIA]] offering a safe space to self-identified anti-c pedosadists and zoosadists.

	==See also==		==See also==

	*[[Paraphilia]]		*[[Paraphilia]]
			*[[Validity Policing]]
	*[[Big 3 (Paraphilia)]]		*[[Big 3 (Paraphilia)]]
	*[[Assimilationism]]		*[[Assimilationism]]

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	Another question invariably raised by sexual sadism controversies, is whether a sadistic interest in, for example, animals or children is a form of zoo- or [[pedophilia]]. Or whether these traits automatically qualify a person as part of the Zoo or MAP communities. It is often pointed out that sadism is not inherently sexual, and many sadists would not wish to be described as Zoophiles or Pedophiles.		Another question invariably raised by sexual sadism controversies, is whether a sadistic interest in, for example, animals or children is a form of zoo- or [[pedophilia]]. Or whether these traits automatically qualify a person as part of the Zoo or MAP communities. It is often pointed out that sadism is not inherently sexual, and many sadists would not wish to be described as Zoophiles or Pedophiles.

	Within the MAP community, [[pro-c]] groups, while generally inclusive of sadistic individuals, tend to be open to the idea of intersectional harm spanning from the linkage of sexual sadism with e.g. attraction to minors. Since this would appear to support the pattern already familiar in popular stereotyping of MAPs as violent sexual offenders, pro-c groups of MAPs and Zoophiles tend to be skeptical towards ~~Pedosadism~~ and ~~Zoosadism~~, at least as identity. Anti-c groups tend to be more divided, with the older groups wanting nothing to do with sadistic individuals (or to subject them to stringent behavioural controls), and the younger groups such as [[NNIA]] offering a safe space to self-identified anti-c pedosadists and zoosadists.		Within the MAP community, [[pro-c]] groups, while generally inclusive of sadistic individuals, tend to be open to the idea of intersectional harm spanning from the linkage of sexual sadism with e.g. attraction to minors. Since this would appear to support the pattern already familiar in popular stereotyping of MAPs as violent sexual offenders, pro-c groups of MAPs and Zoophiles tend to be skeptical towards pedosadism and zoosadism, at least as identity. Anti-c groups tend to be more divided, with the older groups wanting nothing to do with sadistic individuals (or to subject them to stringent behavioural controls), and the younger groups such as [[NNIA]] offering a safe space to self-identified anti-c pedosadists and zoosadists.

	==See also==		==See also==
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	*[https://www.paraphile.com/index.php/Bestiasadophilia Bestiasadophilia]		*[https://www.paraphile.com/index.php/Bestiasadophilia Bestiasadophilia]

	~~==References==~~

	[[Category:Cyber Activism]][[Category:Logic]][[Category:Terminology]][[Category:Debate]][[Category:Debating Points: Sociological]][[Category:Debating Points: Minor-Attracted]][[Category:Debating Points: Adults]][[Category:Official Encyclopedia]]		[[Category:Cyber Activism]][[Category:Logic]][[Category:Terminology]][[Category:Debate]][[Category:Debating Points: Sociological]][[Category:Debating Points: Minor-Attracted]][[Category:Debating Points: Adults]][[Category:Official Encyclopedia]]

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	__NOTOC__'''Sexual sadism controversies''' have been visible within already marginalized online communities such as the [[Minor Attracted Person\|MAP]] community, and among Zoophiles. They typically revolve around the inclusion or exclusion of sadistic individuals from the larger group.		__NOTOC__'''Sexual sadism controversies''' have been visible within already marginalized online communities such as the [[Minor Attracted Person\|MAP]] community, and among Zoophiles. They typically revolve around the inclusion or exclusion of sadistic individuals from the larger group. Similar dynamics have been seen with biastophilic (rape) and necrophilic individuals, and historically with BDSM culture and trans people in the LGBT community.

	Much of the controversy relates to realpolitik, i.e. public image, assimilation, optics, or the idea that identities intersecting sadism with already marginalized traits, might pose the potential of social harm via callout, name-and-shame campaigns and cringe/lolcow fora used for doxing of paraphilies and trans people. ''Pedosadism'' (a term once used by [[Anonymous]]) is a classic example of such an intersectional identity, although very few sadistic MAPs identify as pedosadists.		Much of the controversy relates to realpolitik, i.e. public image, assimilation, optics, or the idea that identities intersecting sadism with already marginalized traits, might pose the potential of social harm via callout, name-and-shame campaigns and cringe/lolcow fora used for doxing of paraphilies and trans people. ''Pedosadism'' (a term once used by [[Anonymous]]) is a classic example of such an intersectional identity, although very few sadistic MAPs identify as pedosadists.

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__NOTOC__'''Sexual sadism controversies''' have been visible within already marginalized online communities such as the [[Minor Attracted Person|MAP]] community, and among Zoophiles. They typically revolve around the inclusion or exclusion of sadistic individuals from the larger group.

Much of the controversy relates to realpolitik, i.e. public image, assimilation, optics, or the idea that identities intersecting sadism with already marginalized traits, might pose the potential of social harm via callout, name-and-shame campaigns and cringe/lolcow fora used for doxing of paraphilies and trans people. ''Pedosadism'' (a term once used by [[Anonymous]]) is a classic example of such an intersectional identity, although very few sadistic MAPs identify as pedosadists.

The sexual sadism debate is further complicated by the fact that sadism typically refers to pleasure derived from the act of causing harm, rather than simply the idea. Terms such as "Zoosadophilia" (as opposed to the highly loaded [[Wikipedia:Zoosadism|Zoosadism]]) have emerged in online communities, although some self-identified Zoosadists still refuse to adopt this terminology.

Another question invariably raised by sexual sadism controversies, is whether a sadistic interest in, for example, animals or children is a form of zoo- or [[pedophilia]]. Or whether these traits automatically qualify a person as part of the Zoo or MAP communities. It is often pointed out that sadism is not inherently sexual, and many sadists would not wish to be described as Zoophiles or Pedophiles.

Within the MAP community, [[pro-c]] groups, while generally inclusive of sadistic individuals, tend to be open to the idea of intersectional harm spanning from the linkage of sexual sadism with e.g. attraction to minors. Since this would appear to support the pattern already familiar in popular stereotyping of MAPs as violent sexual offenders, pro-c groups of MAPs and Zoophiles tend to be skeptical towards Pedosadism and Zoosadism, at least as identity. Anti-c groups tend to be more divided, with the older groups wanting nothing to do with sadistic individuals (or to subject them to stringent behavioural controls), and the younger groups such as [[NNIA]] offering a safe space to self-identified anti-c pedosadists and zoosadists.

==See also==

*[[Paraphilia]]
*[[Big 3 (Paraphilia)]]
*[[Assimilationism]]
*[[Essay:MAPs, Paraphiles and Fascists]] - A cautious approach to mobilising social adjacencies.
*[[Essay:MAPs, Zoophiles and Transids]] - Same author makes the case for an alliance.

==External links==

*[https://www.paraphile.com/index.php/Bestiasadophilia Bestiasadophilia]

==References==

[[Category:Cyber Activism]][[Category:Logic]][[Category:Terminology]][[Category:Debate]][[Category:Debating Points: Sociological]][[Category:Debating Points: Minor-Attracted]][[Category:Debating Points: Adults]][[Category:Official Encyclopedia]]

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	*[[Big 3 (Paraphilia)]]		*[[Big 3 (Paraphilia)]]
	*[[Assimilationism]]		*[[Assimilationism]]

			===Essay series===

	*[[Essay:MAPs, Paraphiles and Fascists]] - A cautious approach to mobilising social adjacencies.		*[[Essay:MAPs, Paraphiles and Fascists]] - A cautious approach to mobilising social adjacencies.
	*[[Essay:MAPs, Zoophiles and Transids]] - Same author makes the case for an alliance.		*[[Essay:MAPs, Zoophiles and Transids]] - Same author makes the case for an alliance.
			*[https://wierstamann.net/2025/06/17/zoosadism-what-it-is-and-what-it-isnt/ Zoosadism, what it is and isn't]

	==External links==		==External links==