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<p><span class="autocomment">References</span></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 10:26, 4 January 2025</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l28">Line 28:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 28:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>==References==</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>==References==</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>[[Category:Official Encyclopedia]][[Category:People]][[Category:People: Artists and Poets]][[Category:People: Russian]][[Category:People: Deceased]][[Category:Art]][[Category: People: Historical minor-attracted figures]][[Category:History & Events: 19th C]][[Category:History & Events: Russian]][[Category:People: Adult or Minor sexually attracted to or involved with the other]]</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>[[Category:Official Encyclopedia]][[Category:People]][[Category:People: Artists and Poets]][[Category:People: Russian]][[Category:People: Deceased]][[Category:Art]][[Category: People: Historical minor-attracted figures]][[Category:History & Events: 19th C]][[Category:History & Events: Russian]][[Category:People: Adult or Minor sexually attracted to or involved with the other<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">]][[Category:Gay</ins>]]</div></td></tr>  </table>

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<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 08:06, 3 January 2025</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l1">Line 1:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 1:</td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">[[File:Photo011.jpg|thumb|Tchaikovsky as a student]]</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>[[wikipedia:Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky|'''Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky''']] (7 May 1840 – 6 November 1893) was a Russian composer. He was the first Russian composer whose music would make a lasting impression internationally. Tchaikovsky wrote some of the most popular concert and theatrical music in the current classical repertoire, including the ballets ''Swan Lake'' and ''The Nutcracker''. Although effort was made to censor any suggestion of homosexuality from Tchaikovsky's surviving letters,<ref>[https://www.kdfc.com/articles/love-in-the-shadows-tchaikovskys-censored-letters Love in the Shadows: Tchaikovsky's Censored Letters], ''Classical California KDFC'' (July, 2024).</ref><ref>Dalya Alberge, [https://www.theguardian.com/music/2018/jun/02/tchaikovsky-letters-saved-from-censors-reveal-secret-loves-homosexuality Tchaikovsky and the secret gay loves censors tried to hide] (''The Guardian'', 2018).</ref> thanks to the work of historians and biographers<ref>See Marina Kostalevsky (ed.), ''The Tchaikovsky Papers: Unlocking the Family Archive'' (Yale University Press, 2018).</ref> he is now widely acknowledged to be a homosexual. Seen positively as a "Queer Composer,"<ref>[https://www.advocate.com/arts-entertainment/2017/2/08/18-queer-composers-who-made-music-history Queer Composers - ''The Advocate''].</ref> the evidence suggests that Tchaikovsky was most romantically and sexually drawn to youthful features and young males in their teens and 20s. Notably, however, his attraction and intense affection for his nephew, Vladimir Lvovich "Bob" Davydov, when Bob was around 13-16, has been heavily documented.<ref name="Peddit">For a breakdown, see: [https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/hizr2q/is_there_any_evidence_that_the_composer_peter/ ''Is there any evidence that the composer Peter Ilych Tchaikovsky was a pedophile/pederast?''] - Reddit thread (2020).</ref> </div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>[[wikipedia:Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky|'''Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky''']] (7 May 1840 – 6 November 1893) was a Russian composer. He was the first Russian composer whose music would make a lasting impression internationally. Tchaikovsky wrote some of the most popular concert and theatrical music in the current classical repertoire, including the ballets ''Swan Lake'' and ''The Nutcracker''. Although effort was made to censor any suggestion of homosexuality from Tchaikovsky's surviving letters,<ref>[https://www.kdfc.com/articles/love-in-the-shadows-tchaikovskys-censored-letters Love in the Shadows: Tchaikovsky's Censored Letters], ''Classical California KDFC'' (July, 2024).</ref><ref>Dalya Alberge, [https://www.theguardian.com/music/2018/jun/02/tchaikovsky-letters-saved-from-censors-reveal-secret-loves-homosexuality Tchaikovsky and the secret gay loves censors tried to hide] (''The Guardian'', 2018).</ref> thanks to the work of historians and biographers<ref>See Marina Kostalevsky (ed.), ''The Tchaikovsky Papers: Unlocking the Family Archive'' (Yale University Press, 2018).</ref> he is now widely acknowledged to be a homosexual. Seen positively as a "Queer Composer,"<ref>[https://www.advocate.com/arts-entertainment/2017/2/08/18-queer-composers-who-made-music-history Queer Composers - ''The Advocate''].</ref> the evidence suggests that Tchaikovsky was most romantically and sexually drawn to youthful features and young males in their teens and 20s. Notably, however, his attraction and intense affection for his nephew, Vladimir Lvovich "Bob" Davydov, when Bob was around 13-16, has been heavily documented.<ref name="Peddit">For a breakdown, see: [https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/hizr2q/is_there_any_evidence_that_the_composer_peter/ ''Is there any evidence that the composer Peter Ilych Tchaikovsky was a pedophile/pederast?''] - Reddit thread (2020).</ref> </div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr>  </table>

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<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 08:01, 3 January 2025</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l1">Line 1:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 1:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>[[wikipedia:Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky|'''Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky''']] (7 May 1840 – 6 November 1893) was a Russian composer. He was the first Russian composer whose music would make a lasting impression internationally. Tchaikovsky wrote some of the most popular concert and theatrical music in the current classical repertoire, including the ballets ''Swan Lake'' and ''The Nutcracker''. Although effort was made to censor any suggestion of homosexuality from Tchaikovsky's surviving letters,<ref>[https://www.kdfc.com/articles/love-in-the-shadows-tchaikovskys-censored-letters Love in the Shadows: Tchaikovsky's Censored Letters], ''Classical California KDFC'' (July, 2024).</ref><ref>Dalya Alberge, [https://www.theguardian.com/music/2018/jun/02/tchaikovsky-letters-saved-from-censors-reveal-secret-loves-homosexuality Tchaikovsky and the secret gay loves censors tried to hide] (''The Guardian'', 2018).</ref> thanks to the work of historians and biographers<ref>See Marina Kostalevsky (ed.), ''The Tchaikovsky Papers: Unlocking the Family Archive'' (Yale University Press, 2018).</ref> he is now widely acknowledged to be a homosexual. Seen positively as a "Queer Composer,"<ref>[https://www.advocate.com/arts-entertainment/2017/2/08/18-queer-composers-who-made-music-history Queer Composers - ''The Advocate''].</ref> the evidence suggests that Tchaikovsky was most romantically and sexually drawn to youthful features and young males in their teens and 20s. Notably, however, his attraction and intense affection for his nephew, Vladimir Lvovich "Bob" Davydov, when Bob was around 13-16, has been heavily documented.<ref>For a breakdown, see: [https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/hizr2q/is_there_any_evidence_that_the_composer_peter/ ''Is there any evidence that the composer Peter Ilych Tchaikovsky was a pedophile/pederast?''] - Reddit thread (2020).</ref> </div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>[[wikipedia:Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky|'''Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky''']] (7 May 1840 – 6 November 1893) was a Russian composer. He was the first Russian composer whose music would make a lasting impression internationally. Tchaikovsky wrote some of the most popular concert and theatrical music in the current classical repertoire, including the ballets ''Swan Lake'' and ''The Nutcracker''. Although effort was made to censor any suggestion of homosexuality from Tchaikovsky's surviving letters,<ref>[https://www.kdfc.com/articles/love-in-the-shadows-tchaikovskys-censored-letters Love in the Shadows: Tchaikovsky's Censored Letters], ''Classical California KDFC'' (July, 2024).</ref><ref>Dalya Alberge, [https://www.theguardian.com/music/2018/jun/02/tchaikovsky-letters-saved-from-censors-reveal-secret-loves-homosexuality Tchaikovsky and the secret gay loves censors tried to hide] (''The Guardian'', 2018).</ref> thanks to the work of historians and biographers<ref>See Marina Kostalevsky (ed.), ''The Tchaikovsky Papers: Unlocking the Family Archive'' (Yale University Press, 2018).</ref> he is now widely acknowledged to be a homosexual. Seen positively as a "Queer Composer,"<ref>[https://www.advocate.com/arts-entertainment/2017/2/08/18-queer-composers-who-made-music-history Queer Composers - ''The Advocate''].</ref> the evidence suggests that Tchaikovsky was most romantically and sexually drawn to youthful features and young males in their teens and 20s. Notably, however, his attraction and intense affection for his nephew, Vladimir Lvovich "Bob" Davydov, when Bob was around 13-16, has been heavily documented.<ref <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">name="Peddit"</ins>>For a breakdown, see: [https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/hizr2q/is_there_any_evidence_that_the_composer_peter/ ''Is there any evidence that the composer Peter Ilych Tchaikovsky was a pedophile/pederast?''] - Reddit thread (2020).</ref> </div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>In letters written when Bob was 13, Tchaikovsky wrote: "All day Bob was a sight to behold; how incomparably sweet he looks"; "As soon as I stop [...] I start to long for Bob and to miss him. I love him so terribly"; "Afterwards sat on the roof with Bob (where I would only venture for the sake of this angel!) [...] After supper I played, at Bob's request, a special game — secret — a most silly game."<ref<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">>''Ibid''.<</del>/<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">ref</del>> </div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>In letters written when Bob was 13, Tchaikovsky wrote: "All day Bob was a sight to behold; how incomparably sweet he looks"; "As soon as I stop [...] I start to long for Bob and to miss him. I love him so terribly"; "Afterwards sat on the roof with Bob (where I would only venture for the sake of this angel!) [...] After supper I played, at Bob's request, a special game — secret — a most silly game."<ref <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">name="Peddit" </ins>/></div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>''Debauched Genius: The Loves of Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky'' (2021), uses the novel form to narrate his sex life and sexual attractions, in the wake of newly available documents published in 2018. Extensively researched, a book review states that "the word 'boy' is used 250 times."<ref>[https://wapercyfoundation.org/?p=1116 Review of D.H. Gutzman, ''Debauched Genius, The Loves of Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky'' (2021)] - ''William Percy Foundation'' (Feb 2021).</ref> More specifically: </div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>''Debauched Genius: The Loves of Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky'' (2021), uses the novel form to narrate his sex life and sexual attractions, in the wake of newly available documents published in 2018. Extensively researched, a book review states that "the word 'boy' is used 250 times."<ref <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">name="Percy"</ins>>[https://wapercyfoundation.org/?p=1116 Review of D.H. Gutzman, ''Debauched Genius, The Loves of Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky'' (2021)] - ''William Percy Foundation'' (Feb 2021). <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Quotes slightly modified by removing page numbers. Cf. [http://en.tchaikovsky-research.net/pages/Sergey_Kireyev Tchaikovsky Research: Sergey Kireyev]</ins></ref> More specifically: </div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><blockquote></div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><blockquote></div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>[W]''hen Eduard Zak tells Tchaikovsky that he can’t help being attracted to women any more than Tchaikovsky can help being attracted to men, Tchaikovsky replies, “Boys. I am attracted to boys.” When Shilovsky asks Tchaikovsky what more he can do to get him to stay with him, “Pyotr squeezed his eyes shut and sadly said, ‘Be fifteen again!’” Near the end, in chapter 42, Tchaikovsky is listening while some men bring up his past sexual encounters with boys and young men (I won’t spoil the exact circumstances). When he protests that these affairs were consensual, one man retorts, “My God, man, we are speaking of sodomy. You used our children to sin against God!” Finally, when Modest and Bob are going through Tchaikovsky's papers in 1895, Modest says, “We have to change every compromising ‘he’ to a ‘she.’ We need to obfuscate ages as well as sexes."''</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>[W]''hen Eduard Zak tells Tchaikovsky that he can’t help being attracted to women any more than Tchaikovsky can help being attracted to men, Tchaikovsky replies, “Boys. I am attracted to boys.” When Shilovsky asks Tchaikovsky what more he can do to get him to stay with him, “Pyotr squeezed his eyes shut and sadly said, ‘Be fifteen again!’” Near the end, in chapter 42, Tchaikovsky is listening while some men bring up his past sexual encounters with boys and young men (I won’t spoil the exact circumstances). When he protests that these affairs were consensual, one man retorts, “My God, man, we are speaking of sodomy. You used our children to sin against God!” Finally, when Modest and Bob are going through Tchaikovsky's papers in 1895, Modest says, “We have to change every compromising ‘he’ to a ‘she.’ We need to obfuscate ages as well as sexes."''</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>''Dozens of examples like these can be found throughout the book, giving evidence to the fact that, though homosexuality per se is the pivotal matter of apprehension, Gutzman also saw Tchaikovsky's pederasty as its principal manifestation.''<ref<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">>Quotes slightly modified by removing page numbers.<</del>/<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">ref</del>></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>''Dozens of examples like these can be found throughout the book, giving evidence to the fact that, though homosexuality per se is the pivotal matter of apprehension, Gutzman also saw Tchaikovsky's pederasty as its principal manifestation.''<ref <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">name="Percy" </ins>/></div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div></blockquote></div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div></blockquote></div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Eduard Zak (sometimes spelled "Sack" in English) was a student and friend of Tchaikovsky's, a homosexual who took his life at the age of nineteen. Although their relationship was known to be close, its extent has been questioned. Some entries from Tchaikovsky's diary from 1887, written after Zak's death, suggest a romantic attraction. </div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Eduard Zak (sometimes spelled "Sack" in English) was a student and friend of Tchaikovsky's, a homosexual who took his life at the age of nineteen. Although their relationship was known to be close, its extent has been questioned. Some entries from Tchaikovsky's diary from 1887, written after Zak's death, suggest a romantic attraction. </div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Other notable romnances include Sergey Kireyev, Tchaikovsky's his first crush, who Tchaikovsky met when he was 16 and Sergey 12. They met again in 1867, when Kireyev was 22, and Tchaikovsky wrote to his brother Anatoly, "How sweet he is, though not so handsome as formerly."<ref<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">>''Ibid''. Cf. http:</del>/<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">/en.tchaikovsky-research.net/pages/Sergey_Kireyev</ref</del>> Later, Tchaikovsky and Joseph Kotek began a romantic affair in 1877 when Kotek was 21 and Tchaikovsky was 37, though Tchaikovsky had known him for six years by that time.<ref>http://en.tchaikovsky-research.net/pages/Iosif_Kotek</ref> A letter indicates that although claimed to "feel disgusted if this wonderful youth stooped to sex with an aged and fat-bellied man," he was nevertheless successful and Kotek returned these feelings:</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Other notable romnances include Sergey Kireyev, Tchaikovsky's his first crush, who Tchaikovsky met when he was 16 and Sergey 12. They met again in 1867, when Kireyev was 22, and Tchaikovsky wrote to his brother Anatoly, "How sweet he is, though not so handsome as formerly."<ref <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">name="Percy" </ins>/> Later, Tchaikovsky and Joseph Kotek began a romantic affair in 1877 when Kotek was 21 and Tchaikovsky was 37, though Tchaikovsky had known him for six years by that time.<ref>http://en.tchaikovsky-research.net/pages/Iosif_Kotek</ref> A letter indicates that although claimed to "feel disgusted if this wonderful youth stooped to sex with an aged and fat-bellied man," he was nevertheless successful and Kotek returned these feelings:</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><blockquote>I made a ''total'' confession of love, begging him not to be angry, not to feel constrained if I bore him, etc. All of these confessions were met with a thousand various small caresses, strokes on the shoulder, ''cheeks'', and strokes across my head. I am incapable of expressing to you the full degree of bliss that I experienced by completely giving myself away.</blockquote></div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><blockquote>I made a ''total'' confession of love, begging him not to be angry, not to feel constrained if I bore him, etc. All of these confessions were met with a thousand various small caresses, strokes on the shoulder, ''cheeks'', and strokes across my head. I am incapable of expressing to you the full degree of bliss that I experienced by completely giving myself away.</blockquote></div></td></tr>  </table>

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<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 07:54, 3 January 2025</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l1">Line 1:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 1:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>[<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">https</del>:<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyotr_Ilyich_Tchaikovsky </del>'''Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky'''] (7 May 1840 – 6 November 1893) was a Russian composer. He was the first Russian composer whose music would make a lasting impression internationally. Tchaikovsky wrote some of the most popular concert and theatrical music in the current classical repertoire, including the ballets ''Swan Lake'' and ''The Nutcracker''. Although effort was made to censor any suggestion of homosexuality from Tchaikovsky's surviving letters,<ref>[https://www.kdfc.com/articles/love-in-the-shadows-tchaikovskys-censored-letters Love in the Shadows: Tchaikovsky's Censored Letters], ''Classical California KDFC'' (July, 2024).</ref><ref>Dalya Alberge, [https://www.theguardian.com/music/2018/jun/02/tchaikovsky-letters-saved-from-censors-reveal-secret-loves-homosexuality Tchaikovsky and the secret gay loves censors tried to hide] (''The Guardian'', 2018).</ref> thanks to the work of historians and biographers<ref>See Marina Kostalevsky (ed.), ''The Tchaikovsky Papers: Unlocking the Family Archive'' (Yale University Press, 2018).</ref> he is now widely acknowledged to be a homosexual. Seen positively as a "Queer Composer,"<ref>[https://www.advocate.com/arts-entertainment/2017/2/08/18-queer-composers-who-made-music-history Queer Composers - ''The Advocate''].</ref> the evidence suggests that Tchaikovsky was most romantically and sexually drawn to youthful features and young males in their teens and 20s. Notably, however, his attraction and intense affection for his nephew, Vladimir Lvovich "Bob" Davydov, when Bob was around 13-16, has been heavily documented.<ref>For a breakdown, see: [https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/hizr2q/is_there_any_evidence_that_the_composer_peter/ ''Is there any evidence that the composer Peter Ilych Tchaikovsky was a pedophile/pederast?''] - <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Reditt </del>thread (2020).</ref> </div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>[<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">[wikipedia</ins>:<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky|</ins>'''Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky'''<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">]</ins>] (7 May 1840 – 6 November 1893) was a Russian composer. He was the first Russian composer whose music would make a lasting impression internationally. Tchaikovsky wrote some of the most popular concert and theatrical music in the current classical repertoire, including the ballets ''Swan Lake'' and ''The Nutcracker''. Although effort was made to censor any suggestion of homosexuality from Tchaikovsky's surviving letters,<ref>[https://www.kdfc.com/articles/love-in-the-shadows-tchaikovskys-censored-letters Love in the Shadows: Tchaikovsky's Censored Letters], ''Classical California KDFC'' (July, 2024).</ref><ref>Dalya Alberge, [https://www.theguardian.com/music/2018/jun/02/tchaikovsky-letters-saved-from-censors-reveal-secret-loves-homosexuality Tchaikovsky and the secret gay loves censors tried to hide] (''The Guardian'', 2018).</ref> thanks to the work of historians and biographers<ref>See Marina Kostalevsky (ed.), ''The Tchaikovsky Papers: Unlocking the Family Archive'' (Yale University Press, 2018).</ref> he is now widely acknowledged to be a homosexual. Seen positively as a "Queer Composer,"<ref>[https://www.advocate.com/arts-entertainment/2017/2/08/18-queer-composers-who-made-music-history Queer Composers - ''The Advocate''].</ref> the evidence suggests that Tchaikovsky was most romantically and sexually drawn to youthful features and young males in their teens and 20s. Notably, however, his attraction and intense affection for his nephew, Vladimir Lvovich "Bob" Davydov, when Bob was around 13-16, has been heavily documented.<ref>For a breakdown, see: [https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/hizr2q/is_there_any_evidence_that_the_composer_peter/ ''Is there any evidence that the composer Peter Ilych Tchaikovsky was a pedophile/pederast?''] - <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Reddit </ins>thread (2020).</ref> </div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>In letters written when Bob was 13, Tchaikovsky wrote: "All day Bob was a sight to behold; how incomparably sweet he looks"; "As soon as I stop [...] I start to long for Bob and to miss him. I love him so terribly"; "Afterwards sat on the roof with Bob (where I would only venture for the sake of this angel!) [...] After supper I played, at Bob's request, a special game — secret — a most silly game."<ref>''Ibid''.</ref> </div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>In letters written when Bob was 13, Tchaikovsky wrote: "All day Bob was a sight to behold; how incomparably sweet he looks"; "As soon as I stop [...] I start to long for Bob and to miss him. I love him so terribly"; "Afterwards sat on the roof with Bob (where I would only venture for the sake of this angel!) [...] After supper I played, at Bob's request, a special game — secret — a most silly game."<ref>''Ibid''.</ref> </div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l5">Line 5:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 5:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>''Debauched Genius: The Loves of Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky'' (2021), uses the novel form to narrate his sex life and sexual attractions, in the wake of newly available documents published in 2018. Extensively researched, a book review states that "the word 'boy' is used 250 times."<ref>[https://wapercyfoundation.org/?p=1116 Review of D.H. Gutzman, ''Debauched Genius, The Loves of Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky'' (2021)] - ''William Percy Foundation'' (Feb 2021).</ref> More specifically: </div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>''Debauched Genius: The Loves of Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky'' (2021), uses the novel form to narrate his sex life and sexual attractions, in the wake of newly available documents published in 2018. Extensively researched, a book review states that "the word 'boy' is used 250 times."<ref>[https://wapercyfoundation.org/?p=1116 Review of D.H. Gutzman, ''Debauched Genius, The Loves of Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky'' (2021)] - ''William Percy Foundation'' (Feb 2021).</ref> More specifically: </div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><blockquote><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">''</del>[W]hen Eduard Zak tells Tchaikovsky that he can’t help being attracted to women any more than Tchaikovsky can help being attracted to men, Tchaikovsky replies, “Boys. I am attracted to boys.” When Shilovsky asks Tchaikovsky what more he can do to get him to stay with him, “Pyotr squeezed his eyes shut and sadly said, ‘Be fifteen again!’” Near the end, in chapter 42, Tchaikovsky is listening while some men bring up his past sexual encounters with boys and young men (I won’t spoil the exact circumstances). When he protests that these affairs were consensual, one man retorts, “My God, man, we are speaking of sodomy. You used our children to sin against God!” Finally, when Modest and Bob are going through Tchaikovsky's papers in 1895, Modest says, “We have to change every compromising ‘he’ to a ‘she.’ We need to obfuscate ages as well as sexes."''<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></blockquote></del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><blockquote></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>[W]<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">''</ins>hen Eduard Zak tells Tchaikovsky that he can’t help being attracted to women any more than Tchaikovsky can help being attracted to men, Tchaikovsky replies, “Boys. I am attracted to boys.” When Shilovsky asks Tchaikovsky what more he can do to get him to stay with him, “Pyotr squeezed his eyes shut and sadly said, ‘Be fifteen again!’” Near the end, in chapter 42, Tchaikovsky is listening while some men bring up his past sexual encounters with boys and young men (I won’t spoil the exact circumstances). When he protests that these affairs were consensual, one man retorts, “My God, man, we are speaking of sodomy. You used our children to sin against God!” Finally, when Modest and Bob are going through Tchaikovsky's papers in 1895, Modest says, “We have to change every compromising ‘he’ to a ‘she.’ We need to obfuscate ages as well as sexes."''</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"><blockquote></del>''Dozens of examples like these can be found throughout the book, giving evidence to the fact that, though homosexuality per se is the pivotal matter of apprehension, Gutzman also saw Tchaikovsky's pederasty as its principal manifestation.''<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></blockquote></del><ref>Quotes slightly modified by removing page numbers.</ref></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>''Dozens of examples like these can be found throughout the book, giving evidence to the fact that, though homosexuality per se is the pivotal matter of apprehension, Gutzman also saw Tchaikovsky's pederasty as its principal manifestation.''<ref>Quotes slightly modified by removing page numbers.</ref<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></blockquote</ins>></div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Eduard Zak (sometimes spelled "Sack" in English) was a student and friend of Tchaikovsky's, a homosexual who took his life at the age of nineteen. Although their relationship was known to be close, its extent has been questioned. Some entries from Tchaikovsky's diary from 1887, written after Zak's death, suggest a romantic attraction. </div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Eduard Zak (sometimes spelled "Sack" in English) was a student and friend of Tchaikovsky's, a homosexual who took his life at the age of nineteen. Although their relationship was known to be close, its extent has been questioned. Some entries from Tchaikovsky's diary from 1887, written after Zak's death, suggest a romantic attraction. </div></td></tr>  </table>

The Admins https://wiki.yesmap.net/wiki/index.php?title=Tchaikovsky&diff=30382&oldid=prev Prue at 05:21, 3 January 2025 2025-01-03T05:21:21Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 05:21, 3 January 2025</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l11">Line 11:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 11:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Eduard Zak (sometimes spelled "Sack" in English) was a student and friend of Tchaikovsky's, a homosexual who took his life at the age of nineteen. Although their relationship was known to be close, its extent has been questioned. Some entries from Tchaikovsky's diary from 1887, written after Zak's death, suggest a romantic attraction. </div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Eduard Zak (sometimes spelled "Sack" in English) was a student and friend of Tchaikovsky's, a homosexual who took his life at the age of nineteen. Although their relationship was known to be close, its extent has been questioned. Some entries from Tchaikovsky's diary from 1887, written after Zak's death, suggest a romantic attraction. </div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Other notable romnances include Sergey Kireyev, Tchaikovsky's his first crush, who Tchaikovsky met when he was 16 and Sergey 12. They met again in 1867, when Kireyev was 22, and Tchaikovsky wrote to his brother Anatoly, "How sweet he is, though not so handsome as formerly."<ref>''Ibid''. Cf. http://en.tchaikovsky-research.net/pages/Sergey_Kireyev</ref> Later, Tchaikovsky and Joseph Kotek began a romantic affair in 1877 when Kotek was 21 and Tchaikovsky was 37, though Tchaikovsky had known him for six years by that time.<ref>http://en.tchaikovsky-research.net/pages/Iosif_Kotek</ref> A letter indicates that although claimed to "feel disgusted if this wonderful youth stooped to sex with an aged and fat-bellied man," <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">his </del>he was nevertheless successful and Kotek returned these feelings:</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Other notable romnances include Sergey Kireyev, Tchaikovsky's his first crush, who Tchaikovsky met when he was 16 and Sergey 12. They met again in 1867, when Kireyev was 22, and Tchaikovsky wrote to his brother Anatoly, "How sweet he is, though not so handsome as formerly."<ref>''Ibid''. Cf. http://en.tchaikovsky-research.net/pages/Sergey_Kireyev</ref> Later, Tchaikovsky and Joseph Kotek began a romantic affair in 1877 when Kotek was 21 and Tchaikovsky was 37, though Tchaikovsky had known him for six years by that time.<ref>http://en.tchaikovsky-research.net/pages/Iosif_Kotek</ref> A letter indicates that although claimed to "feel disgusted if this wonderful youth stooped to sex with an aged and fat-bellied man," he was nevertheless successful and Kotek returned these feelings:</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><blockquote>I made a ''total'' confession of love, begging him not to be angry, not to feel constrained if I bore him, etc. All of these confessions were met with a thousand various small caresses, strokes on the shoulder, ''cheeks'', and strokes across my head. I am incapable of expressing to you the full degree of bliss that I experienced by completely giving myself away.</blockquote></div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><blockquote>I made a ''total'' confession of love, begging him not to be angry, not to feel constrained if I bore him, etc. All of these confessions were met with a thousand various small caresses, strokes on the shoulder, ''cheeks'', and strokes across my head. I am incapable of expressing to you the full degree of bliss that I experienced by completely giving myself away.</blockquote></div></td></tr>  </table>

Prue https://wiki.yesmap.net/wiki/index.php?title=Tchaikovsky&diff=30381&oldid=prev Prue at 05:20, 3 January 2025 2025-01-03T05:20:53Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 05:20, 3 January 2025</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l11">Line 11:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 11:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Eduard Zak (sometimes spelled "Sack" in English) was a student and friend of Tchaikovsky's, a homosexual who took his life at the age of nineteen. Although their relationship was known to be close, its extent has been questioned. Some entries from Tchaikovsky's diary from 1887, written after Zak's death, suggest a romantic attraction. </div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Eduard Zak (sometimes spelled "Sack" in English) was a student and friend of Tchaikovsky's, a homosexual who took his life at the age of nineteen. Although their relationship was known to be close, its extent has been questioned. Some entries from Tchaikovsky's diary from 1887, written after Zak's death, suggest a romantic attraction. </div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Other notable romnances include Sergey Kireyev, Tchaikovsky's his first crush, who Tchaikovsky met when he was 16 and Sergey 12. They met again in 1867, when Kireyev was 22, and Tchaikovsky wrote to his brother Anatoly, "How sweet he is, though not so handsome as formerly."<ref>''Ibid''. Cf. http://en.tchaikovsky-research.net/pages/Sergey_Kireyev</ref> Tchaikovsky and Joseph Kotek <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">first </del>began a romantic affair in 1877 when Kotek was 21 and Tchaikovsky was 37, though Tchaikovsky had known him for six years.<ref>http://en.tchaikovsky-research.net/pages/Iosif_Kotek</ref> A letter indicates that although claimed to "feel disgusted if this wonderful youth stooped to sex with an aged and fat-bellied man," his he was nevertheless successful and Kotek returned these feelings:</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Other notable romnances include Sergey Kireyev, Tchaikovsky's his first crush, who Tchaikovsky met when he was 16 and Sergey 12. They met again in 1867, when Kireyev was 22, and Tchaikovsky wrote to his brother Anatoly, "How sweet he is, though not so handsome as formerly."<ref>''Ibid''. Cf. http://en.tchaikovsky-research.net/pages/Sergey_Kireyev</ref> <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Later, </ins>Tchaikovsky and Joseph Kotek began a romantic affair in 1877 when Kotek was 21 and Tchaikovsky was 37, though Tchaikovsky had known him for six years <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">by that time</ins>.<ref>http://en.tchaikovsky-research.net/pages/Iosif_Kotek</ref> A letter indicates that although claimed to "feel disgusted if this wonderful youth stooped to sex with an aged and fat-bellied man," his he was nevertheless successful and Kotek returned these feelings:</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><blockquote>I made a ''total'' confession of love, begging him not to be angry, not to feel constrained if I bore him, etc. All of these confessions were met with a thousand various small caresses, strokes on the shoulder, ''cheeks'', and strokes across my head. I am incapable of expressing to you the full degree of bliss that I experienced by completely giving myself away.</blockquote></div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><blockquote>I made a ''total'' confession of love, begging him not to be angry, not to feel constrained if I bore him, etc. All of these confessions were met with a thousand various small caresses, strokes on the shoulder, ''cheeks'', and strokes across my head. I am incapable of expressing to you the full degree of bliss that I experienced by completely giving myself away.</blockquote></div></td></tr>  </table>

Prue https://wiki.yesmap.net/wiki/index.php?title=Tchaikovsky&diff=30380&oldid=prev Prue at 05:18, 3 January 2025 2025-01-03T05:18:41Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 05:18, 3 January 2025</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l1">Line 1:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 1:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyotr_Ilyich_Tchaikovsky '''Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky'''] (7 May 1840 – 6 November 1893) was a Russian composer. He was the first Russian composer whose music would make a lasting impression internationally. Tchaikovsky wrote some of the most popular concert and theatrical music in the current classical repertoire, including the ballets ''Swan Lake'' and ''The Nutcracker''. Although effort was made to censor any suggestion of homosexuality from Tchaikovsky's surviving letters,<ref>[https://www.kdfc.com/articles/love-in-the-shadows-tchaikovskys-censored-letters Love in the Shadows: Tchaikovsky's Censored Letters], ''Classical California KDFC'' (July, 2024).</ref><ref>Dalya Alberge, [https://www.theguardian.com/music/2018/jun/02/tchaikovsky-letters-saved-from-censors-reveal-secret-loves-homosexuality Tchaikovsky and the secret gay loves censors tried to hide] (''The Guardian'', 2018).</ref> thanks to the work of historians and biographers<ref>See Marina Kostalevsky (ed.), ''The Tchaikovsky Papers: Unlocking the Family Archive'' (Yale University Press, 2018).</ref> he is now widely acknowledged to be a homosexual. Seen positively as a "Queer Composer,"<ref>[https://www.advocate.com/arts-entertainment/2017/2/08/18-queer-composers-who-made-music-history Queer Composers - ''The Advocate''].</ref> the evidence suggests that Tchaikovsky was most romantically and sexually drawn to youthful features and young males in their teens and 20s. Notably, however, his attraction and intense affection for his nephew, Vladimir Lvovich "Bob" Davydov, when Bob was around 13-16, has been heavily documented.<ref>For a breakdown, see: [https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/hizr2q/is_there_any_evidence_that_the_composer_peter/ ''Is there any evidence that the composer Peter Ilych Tchaikovsky was a pedophile/pederast?''] - Reditt thread (2020).</ref></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyotr_Ilyich_Tchaikovsky '''Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky'''] (7 May 1840 – 6 November 1893) was a Russian composer. He was the first Russian composer whose music would make a lasting impression internationally. Tchaikovsky wrote some of the most popular concert and theatrical music in the current classical repertoire, including the ballets ''Swan Lake'' and ''The Nutcracker''. Although effort was made to censor any suggestion of homosexuality from Tchaikovsky's surviving letters,<ref>[https://www.kdfc.com/articles/love-in-the-shadows-tchaikovskys-censored-letters Love in the Shadows: Tchaikovsky's Censored Letters], ''Classical California KDFC'' (July, 2024).</ref><ref>Dalya Alberge, [https://www.theguardian.com/music/2018/jun/02/tchaikovsky-letters-saved-from-censors-reveal-secret-loves-homosexuality Tchaikovsky and the secret gay loves censors tried to hide] (''The Guardian'', 2018).</ref> thanks to the work of historians and biographers<ref>See Marina Kostalevsky (ed.), ''The Tchaikovsky Papers: Unlocking the Family Archive'' (Yale University Press, 2018).</ref> he is now widely acknowledged to be a homosexual. Seen positively as a "Queer Composer,"<ref>[https://www.advocate.com/arts-entertainment/2017/2/08/18-queer-composers-who-made-music-history Queer Composers - ''The Advocate''].</ref> the evidence suggests that Tchaikovsky was most romantically and sexually drawn to youthful features and young males in their teens and 20s. Notably, however, his attraction and intense affection for his nephew, Vladimir Lvovich "Bob" Davydov, when Bob was around 13-16, has been heavily documented.<ref>For a breakdown, see: [https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/hizr2q/is_there_any_evidence_that_the_composer_peter/ ''Is there any evidence that the composer Peter Ilych Tchaikovsky was a pedophile/pederast?''] - Reditt thread (2020)<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">.</ref> </ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div> </div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">In letters written when Bob was 13, Tchaikovsky wrote: "All day Bob was a sight to behold; how incomparably sweet he looks"; "As soon as I stop [...] I start to long for Bob and to miss him. I love him so terribly"; "Afterwards sat on the roof with Bob (where I would only venture for the sake of this angel!) [...] After supper I played, at Bob's request, a special game — secret — a most silly game."<ref>''Ibid''</ins>.</ref> </div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>''Debauched Genius: The Loves of Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky'' (2021), uses the novel form to narrate his sex life and sexual attractions, in the wake of newly available documents published in 2018. Extensively researched, a book review states that "the word 'boy' is used 250 times."<ref>[https://wapercyfoundation.org/?p=1116 Review of D.H. Gutzman, ''Debauched Genius, The Loves of Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky'' (2021)] - ''William Percy Foundation'' (Feb 2021).</ref> More specifically: </div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>''Debauched Genius: The Loves of Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky'' (2021), uses the novel form to narrate his sex life and sexual attractions, in the wake of newly available documents published in 2018. Extensively researched, a book review states that "the word 'boy' is used 250 times."<ref>[https://wapercyfoundation.org/?p=1116 Review of D.H. Gutzman, ''Debauched Genius, The Loves of Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky'' (2021)] - ''William Percy Foundation'' (Feb 2021).</ref> More specifically: </div></td></tr>  </table>

Prue https://wiki.yesmap.net/wiki/index.php?title=Tchaikovsky&diff=30379&oldid=prev Prue at 05:12, 3 January 2025 2025-01-03T05:12:06Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 05:12, 3 January 2025</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l1">Line 1:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 1:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyotr_Ilyich_Tchaikovsky '''Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky'''] (7 May 1840 – 6 November 1893) was a Russian composer. He was the first Russian composer whose music would make a lasting impression internationally. Tchaikovsky wrote some of the most popular concert and theatrical music in the current classical repertoire, including the ballets ''Swan Lake'' and ''The Nutcracker''. Although effort was made to censor any suggestion of homosexuality from Tchaikovsky's surviving letters,<ref>[https://www.kdfc.com/articles/love-in-the-shadows-tchaikovskys-censored-letters Love in the Shadows: Tchaikovsky's Censored Letters], ''Classical California KDFC'' (July, 2024).</ref><ref>Dalya Alberge, [https://www.theguardian.com/music/2018/jun/02/tchaikovsky-letters-saved-from-censors-reveal-secret-loves-homosexuality Tchaikovsky and the secret gay loves censors tried to hide] (''The Guardian'', 2018).</ref> thanks to the work of historians and biographers<ref>See Marina Kostalevsky (ed.), ''The Tchaikovsky Papers: Unlocking the Family Archive'' (Yale University Press, 2018).</ref> he is now widely acknowledged to be a homosexual. Seen positively as a "Queer Composer,"<ref>[https://www.advocate.com/arts-entertainment/2017/2/08/18-queer-composers-who-made-music-history Queer Composers - ''The Advocate''].</ref> the evidence suggests that Tchaikovsky was most romantically and sexually drawn to youthful features and young males in their teens and 20s.<ref>For a breakdown, see: [https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/hizr2q/is_there_any_evidence_that_the_composer_peter/ ''Is there any evidence that the composer Peter Ilych Tchaikovsky was a pedophile/pederast?''] - Reditt thread (2020).</ref> </div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyotr_Ilyich_Tchaikovsky '''Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky'''] (7 May 1840 – 6 November 1893) was a Russian composer. He was the first Russian composer whose music would make a lasting impression internationally. Tchaikovsky wrote some of the most popular concert and theatrical music in the current classical repertoire, including the ballets ''Swan Lake'' and ''The Nutcracker''. Although effort was made to censor any suggestion of homosexuality from Tchaikovsky's surviving letters,<ref>[https://www.kdfc.com/articles/love-in-the-shadows-tchaikovskys-censored-letters Love in the Shadows: Tchaikovsky's Censored Letters], ''Classical California KDFC'' (July, 2024).</ref><ref>Dalya Alberge, [https://www.theguardian.com/music/2018/jun/02/tchaikovsky-letters-saved-from-censors-reveal-secret-loves-homosexuality Tchaikovsky and the secret gay loves censors tried to hide] (''The Guardian'', 2018).</ref> thanks to the work of historians and biographers<ref>See Marina Kostalevsky (ed.), ''The Tchaikovsky Papers: Unlocking the Family Archive'' (Yale University Press, 2018).</ref> he is now widely acknowledged to be a homosexual. Seen positively as a "Queer Composer,"<ref>[https://www.advocate.com/arts-entertainment/2017/2/08/18-queer-composers-who-made-music-history Queer Composers - ''The Advocate''].</ref> the evidence suggests that Tchaikovsky was most romantically and sexually drawn to youthful features and young males in their teens and 20s<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">. Notably, however, his attraction and intense affection for his nephew, Vladimir Lvovich "Bob" Davydov, when Bob was around 13-16, has been heavily documented</ins>.<ref>For a breakdown, see: [https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/hizr2q/is_there_any_evidence_that_the_composer_peter/ ''Is there any evidence that the composer Peter Ilych Tchaikovsky was a pedophile/pederast?''] - Reditt thread (2020).</ref></div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>''Debauched Genius: The Loves of Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky'' (2021), uses the novel form to narrate his sex life and sexual attractions, in the wake of newly available documents published in 2018. Extensively researched, a book review states that "the word 'boy' is used 250 times."<ref>[https://wapercyfoundation.org/?p=1116 Review of D.H. Gutzman, ''Debauched Genius, The Loves of Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky'' (2021)] - ''William Percy Foundation'' (Feb 2021).</ref> More specifically: </div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>''Debauched Genius: The Loves of Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky'' (2021), uses the novel form to narrate his sex life and sexual attractions, in the wake of newly available documents published in 2018. Extensively researched, a book review states that "the word 'boy' is used 250 times."<ref>[https://wapercyfoundation.org/?p=1116 Review of D.H. Gutzman, ''Debauched Genius, The Loves of Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky'' (2021)] - ''William Percy Foundation'' (Feb 2021).</ref> More specifically: </div></td></tr>  </table>

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<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 05:08, 3 January 2025</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l7">Line 7:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 7:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><blockquote>''Dozens of examples like these can be found throughout the book, giving evidence to the fact that, though homosexuality per se is the pivotal matter of apprehension, Gutzman also saw Tchaikovsky's pederasty as its principal manifestation.''</blockquote><ref>Quotes slightly modified by removing page numbers.</ref></div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><blockquote>''Dozens of examples like these can be found throughout the book, giving evidence to the fact that, though homosexuality per se is the pivotal matter of apprehension, Gutzman also saw Tchaikovsky's pederasty as its principal manifestation.''</blockquote><ref>Quotes slightly modified by removing page numbers.</ref></div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Tchaikovsky <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">met </del>Sergey Kireyev, his first crush, when he was 16 and Sergey 12. They met again in 1867 when Kireyev was 22, and Tchaikovsky wrote to his brother Anatoly, "How sweet he is, though not so handsome as formerly."<ref>''Ibid''. Cf. http://en.tchaikovsky-research.net/pages/Sergey_Kireyev</ref> Tchaikovsky and Joseph Kotek first began a romantic affair in 1877 when Kotek was 21 and Tchaikovsky was 37, though Tchaikovsky had known him for six years.<ref>http://en.tchaikovsky-research.net/pages/Iosif_Kotek</ref> A letter indicates that although claimed to "feel disgusted if this wonderful youth stooped to sex with an aged and fat-bellied man," his he was nevertheless successful and Kotek returned these feelings:</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Eduard Zak (sometimes spelled "Sack" in English) was a student and friend of Tchaikovsky's, a homosexual who took his life at the age of nineteen. Although their relationship was known to be close, its extent has been questioned. Some entries from </ins>Tchaikovsky<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'s diary from 1887, written after Zak's death, suggest a romantic attraction. </ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div> </div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Other notable romnances include </ins>Sergey Kireyev, <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Tchaikovsky's </ins>his first crush, <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">who Tchaikovsky met </ins>when he was 16 and Sergey 12. They met again in 1867<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">, </ins>when Kireyev was 22, and Tchaikovsky wrote to his brother Anatoly, "How sweet he is, though not so handsome as formerly."<ref>''Ibid''. Cf. http://en.tchaikovsky-research.net/pages/Sergey_Kireyev</ref> Tchaikovsky and Joseph Kotek first began a romantic affair in 1877 when Kotek was 21 and Tchaikovsky was 37, though Tchaikovsky had known him for six years.<ref>http://en.tchaikovsky-research.net/pages/Iosif_Kotek</ref> A letter indicates that although claimed to "feel disgusted if this wonderful youth stooped to sex with an aged and fat-bellied man," his he was nevertheless successful and Kotek returned these feelings:</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><blockquote>I made a ''total'' confession of love, begging him not to be angry, not to feel constrained if I bore him, etc. All of these confessions were met with a thousand various small caresses, strokes on the shoulder, ''cheeks'', and strokes across my head. I am incapable of expressing to you the full degree of bliss that I experienced by completely giving myself away.</blockquote></div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><blockquote>I made a ''total'' confession of love, begging him not to be angry, not to feel constrained if I bore him, etc. All of these confessions were met with a thousand various small caresses, strokes on the shoulder, ''cheeks'', and strokes across my head. I am incapable of expressing to you the full degree of bliss that I experienced by completely giving myself away.</blockquote></div></td></tr>  </table>

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<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 05:06, 3 January 2025</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l7">Line 7:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 7:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><blockquote>''Dozens of examples like these can be found throughout the book, giving evidence to the fact that, though homosexuality per se is the pivotal matter of apprehension, Gutzman also saw Tchaikovsky's pederasty as its principal manifestation.''</blockquote><ref>Quotes slightly modified by removing page numbers.</ref></div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><blockquote>''Dozens of examples like these can be found throughout the book, giving evidence to the fact that, though homosexuality per se is the pivotal matter of apprehension, Gutzman also saw Tchaikovsky's pederasty as its principal manifestation.''</blockquote><ref>Quotes slightly modified by removing page numbers.</ref></div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Tchaikovsky met Sergey Kireyev, his first crush, when he was 16 and Sergey 12. They met again in 1867 when Kireyev was 22, and Tchaikovsky wrote to his brother Anatoly, "How sweet he is, though not so handsome as formerly."<ref>''Ibid''. Cf. http://en.tchaikovsky-research.net/pages/Sergey_Kireyev</ref> Tchaikovsky and Joseph Kotek first began a romantic affair in 1877 when Kotek was 21 and Tchaikovsky was 37, though Tchaikovsky had known him for six years.<ref>http://en.tchaikovsky-research.net/pages/Iosif_Kotek</ref> </div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Tchaikovsky met Sergey Kireyev, his first crush, when he was 16 and Sergey 12. They met again in 1867 when Kireyev was 22, and Tchaikovsky wrote to his brother Anatoly, "How sweet he is, though not so handsome as formerly."<ref>''Ibid''. Cf. http://en.tchaikovsky-research.net/pages/Sergey_Kireyev</ref> Tchaikovsky and Joseph Kotek first began a romantic affair in 1877 when Kotek was 21 and Tchaikovsky was 37, though Tchaikovsky had known him for six years.<ref>http://en.tchaikovsky-research.net/pages/Iosif_Kotek</ref> <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">A letter indicates that although claimed to "feel disgusted if this wonderful youth stooped to sex with an aged and fat-bellied man," his he was nevertheless successful and Kotek returned these feelings:</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div> </div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"><blockquote>I made a ''total'' confession of love, begging him not to be angry, not to feel constrained if I bore him, etc. All of these confessions were met with a thousand various small caresses, strokes on the shoulder, ''cheeks'', and strokes across my head. I am incapable of expressing to you the full degree of bliss that I experienced by completely giving myself away.</blockquote></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div> </div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Unfortunately, Kotek died of tuberculosis in Switzerland in 1885, causing Tchaikovsky tremendous grief. </ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>There has been a historic legend around Tchaikovsky alleged attempting suicide, analyzed and refuted by scholars such as Alexander Poznansky. The plot of the legend, according to which the scandal erupted because of Tchaikovsky's acquaintance on a steamship with the 13-year-old nephew of Count Stenbock-Fermor, reproduces the real story of Tchaikovsky's friendship with 14-year-old Vladimir (Volodya) Sklifosovsky (the son of a famous surgeon) in April 1889, which caused a stir.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>There has been a historic legend around Tchaikovsky alleged attempting suicide, analyzed and refuted by scholars such as Alexander Poznansky. The plot of the legend, according to which the scandal erupted because of Tchaikovsky's acquaintance on a steamship with the 13-year-old nephew of Count Stenbock-Fermor, reproduces the real story of Tchaikovsky's friendship with 14-year-old Vladimir (Volodya) Sklifosovsky (the son of a famous surgeon) in April 1889, which caused a stir.</div></td></tr>  </table>

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