https://wiki.yesmap.net/wiki/index.php?action=history&feed=atom&title=Testimony%3A_Adult_Male_with_Minor_MaleTestimony: Adult Male with Minor Male - Revision history2026-05-01T12:56:12ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.45.3https://wiki.yesmap.net/wiki/index.php?title=Testimony:_Adult_Male_with_Minor_Male&diff=33542&oldid=prevJim Burton: I think this is a continuation of vacha2025-12-15T19:38:53Z<p>I think this is a continuation of vacha</p>
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</table>Jim Burtonhttps://wiki.yesmap.net/wiki/index.php?title=Testimony:_Adult_Male_with_Minor_Male&diff=33496&oldid=prevJim Burton at 01:04, 9 December 20252025-12-09T01:04:15Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*:The late Scotty Bowers, famously known "Hollywood's Pimp", was in fact a highly complex individual - having experienced real suffering as a serviceman. He also had a considerable influence on the sexual revolution after he returned, and was a key contact of [[Alfred Kinsey]]. His sexual experiences as a hustler in his youth, however, he does not regret. "I had a very nice childhood; a good childhood. The neighbour, who had two kids - his wife was a sweetheart and he was too, I couldn't think of anything but nice things to say about them [...] just because he wanted to cuddle me/hold me/jack me [off], I don't see anything wrong with that [...] abused? absolutely not; this is bullshit, man! There's no such thing as someone ruining your life when they suck your cock [...] even as a little kid, I saw nothing wrong with that [...] we were unloading the trailer and [the priest], I could tell by the look in his eye that he wanted me [...] then he proceeded to fix me up with friends, and through him, I would meet other priests and go to their church. Within weeks, I had seen approximately 25-30 priests. They paid me off in change out of the collection box (laughter) [...] everybody knew me downtown [as he describes his side hustles] I was doing my little thing all by myself. [...] I did what I did because I knew what I was doing and I wanted to do it"</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*:The late Scotty Bowers, famously known "Hollywood's Pimp", was in fact a highly complex individual - having experienced real suffering as a serviceman. He also had a considerable influence on the sexual revolution after he returned, and was a key contact of [[Alfred Kinsey]]. His sexual experiences as a hustler in his youth, however, he does not regret. "I had a very nice childhood; a good childhood. The neighbour, who had two kids - his wife was a sweetheart and he was too, I couldn't think of anything but nice things to say about them [...] just because he wanted to cuddle me/hold me/jack me [off], I don't see anything wrong with that [...] abused? absolutely not; this is bullshit, man! There's no such thing as someone ruining your life when they suck your cock [...] even as a little kid, I saw nothing wrong with that [...] we were unloading the trailer and [the priest], I could tell by the look in his eye that he wanted me [...] then he proceeded to fix me up with friends, and through him, I would meet other priests and go to their church. Within weeks, I had seen approximately 25-30 priests. They paid me off in change out of the collection box (laughter) [...] everybody knew me downtown [as he describes his side hustles] I was doing my little thing all by myself. [...] I did what I did because I knew what I was doing and I wanted to do it"</div></td></tr>
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</table>Jim Burtonhttps://wiki.yesmap.net/wiki/index.php?title=Testimony:_Adult_Male_with_Minor_Male&diff=30542&oldid=prevThe Admins at 01:39, 10 January 20252025-01-10T01:39:53Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* '''Jonathan Dollimore''' (born 1948) - Relationship from ages 14-15 with Tony, an adult family friend who was having sex with both him and his mother around the same time. British academic who pioneered [https://www.oxfordbibliographies.com/view/document/obo-9780190221911/obo-9780190221911-0091.xml cultural materialism] as a practice for intepreting texts. Co-founder of the ''Centre for the Study of Sexual Dissidence'' at the University of Sussex, Dollimore's work has been claimed to be of "preeminent importance to English studies for the last forty years" and to have "revolutionized literary studies by combining a dedication to close textual analysis with an examination of the social and political contexts within which texts are produced and received" (Marlow, [https://www.oxfordbibliographies.com/view/document/obo-9780190221911/obo-9780190221911-0089.xml 2020]). Influential for critical gender studies and later queer theory, his writing featured in ''The Lesbian and Gay Studies Reader'' ([https://books.google.co.uk/books/about/The_Lesbian_and_Gay_Studies_Reader.html?id=OmLrFXy3UoQC&redir_esc=y 1993]) alongside Gayle Rubin, David Halperin, and other pioneering queer academics who have discussed intergenerational sexuality. </div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* '''Jonathan Dollimore''' (born 1948) - Relationship from ages 14-15 with Tony, an adult family friend who was having sex with both him and his mother around the same time. British academic who pioneered [https://www.oxfordbibliographies.com/view/document/obo-9780190221911/obo-9780190221911-0091.xml cultural materialism] as a practice for intepreting texts. Co-founder of the ''Centre for the Study of Sexual Dissidence'' at the University of Sussex, Dollimore's work has been claimed to be of "preeminent importance to English studies for the last forty years" and to have "revolutionized literary studies by combining a dedication to close textual analysis with an examination of the social and political contexts within which texts are produced and received" (Marlow, [https://www.oxfordbibliographies.com/view/document/obo-9780190221911/obo-9780190221911-0089.xml 2020]). Influential for critical gender studies and later queer theory, his writing featured in ''The Lesbian and Gay Studies Reader'' ([https://books.google.co.uk/books/about/The_Lesbian_and_Gay_Studies_Reader.html?id=OmLrFXy3UoQC&redir_esc=y 1993]) alongside <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">[[</ins>Gayle Rubin<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">]]</ins>, David Halperin, and other pioneering queer academics who have discussed intergenerational sexuality. </div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::''[http://library.lol/main/2165BB190230E4500117E36A873F72E2 '''Desire: A Memoir''']'' '''(1st edition, 2017: Bloomsbury Academic Press), pp. 1-5.''' </div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::''[http://library.lol/main/2165BB190230E4500117E36A873F72E2 '''Desire: A Memoir''']'' '''(1st edition, 2017: Bloomsbury Academic Press), pp. 1-5.''' </div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">“Tony </del>was an interesting man, ex-RAF, nomadic, far more knowledgeable than any other adult I’d encountered, including all of my school teachers, and also seemingly genuinely interested in teaching me things – as well as having sex with me. It was under his influence that I started to read thoughtfully for the first time. He introduced me to writers like Kipling, Somerset Maugham, Graham Greene, Thomas Hardy and T. S. Eliot.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">"Tony </ins>was an interesting man, ex-RAF, nomadic, far more knowledgeable than any other adult I’d encountered, including all of my school teachers, and also seemingly genuinely interested in teaching me things – as well as having sex with me. It was under his influence that I started to read thoughtfully for the first time. He introduced me to writers like Kipling, Somerset Maugham, Graham Greene, Thomas Hardy and T. S. Eliot.</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::The cultural influence that Tony exerted on me would now be construed as ‘grooming’; and maybe it was, but it was also what made me want to learn to write. I did experience it as a desire, perhaps because it was so closely related to my sexual encounters with him, which weren’t demanding or complicated, and mainly consisted in him sympathetically helping me to orgasm. I liked that well enough to sometimes lie awake at night when he was staying with us, hoping he might come to my room to do it again.<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">”</del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::The cultural influence that Tony exerted on me would now be construed as ‘grooming’; and maybe it was, but it was also what made me want to learn to write. I did experience it as a desire, perhaps because it was so closely related to my sexual encounters with him, which weren’t demanding or complicated, and mainly consisted in him sympathetically helping me to orgasm. I liked that well enough to sometimes lie awake at night when he was staying with us, hoping he might come to my room to do it again.<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">"</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">“I didn’t </del>feel personally betrayed by <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Tony’s </del>attempted seduction of my mother; nor have I ever felt damaged by the sex he and I had together. Of course, I realized that, at the very least, he was betraying my <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">parents’s </del>trust in having sex with me, but, at the same time, that, too, was attractive to this adolescent.<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">” </del>(pp. 1-2, 2017, 1st edn).</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">"I didn't </ins>feel personally betrayed by <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Tony's </ins>attempted seduction of my mother; nor have I ever felt damaged by the sex he and I had together. Of course, I realized that, at the very least, he was betraying my <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">parent's </ins>trust in having sex with me, but, at the same time, that, too, was attractive to this adolescent.<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">" </ins>(pp. 1-2, 2017, 1st edn).</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::[Newgon: The 2nd edition to this book ([https://www.google.co.uk/books/edition/Desire/b7EjEAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=0 2021]) was endorsed by [[Edmund White]], who <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">spoke </del>positively of his own <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">intergen experience, as outlined in Bruce Rind’s 2013 Appendix to his chapter in ''Censoring Sex Research'' ([https://archive.org/details/censoringsexresearch/mode/2up 2013])</del>. In this edition, Dollimore thinks back to his earliest sensual/sexual experience at "3 or 4 years old," concluding:</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::[Newgon: The 2nd edition to this book ([https://www.google.co.uk/books/edition/Desire/b7EjEAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=0 2021]) was endorsed by <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">famous gay author </ins>[[Edmund White]], who <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">has spoken </ins>positively of his own <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">age-gap sex during youth</ins>. In this edition, Dollimore thinks back to his earliest sensual/sexual experience at "3 or 4 years old," concluding:</div></td></tr>
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</table>Pruehttps://wiki.yesmap.net/wiki/index.php?title=Testimony:_Adult_Male_with_Minor_Male&diff=25490&oldid=prevPrue at 02:17, 16 April 20242024-04-16T02:17:33Z<p></p>
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