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	'''Edition 2, 16 May, 2009'''. '''[[Media:UncommonSense2.pdf\|PDF Version]]'''		'''Edition 2, 16 May, 2009'''. '''[[Media:UncommonSense2.pdf\|PDF Version]]'''

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	A quarterly digest of subversive minor-adult sexuality.		A quarterly digest of subversive minor-adult sexuality.

	'''Edition 2, 16 May, 2009'''. '''[~~http~~:~~//newgon.net/w/images/~~UncommonSense2.pdf PDF Version]'''		'''Edition 2, 16 May, 2009'''. '''[[Media:UncommonSense2.pdf\|PDF Version]]'''

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	*[http://www.solresearch.org SOLResearch] - Burns' research on Sex Offender Laws and their victims.		*[http://www.solresearch.org SOLResearch] - Burns' research on Sex Offender Laws and their victims.
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	To understand our character, agenda, reputation and future as a potential collective movement, we must first answer this question. In answering this question, we also learn one very important thing, namely that in social-political terms, there ''is no present movement''.		To understand our character, agenda, reputation and future as a potential collective movement, we must first answer this question. In answering this question, we also learn one very important thing, namely that in social-political terms, there ''is no present movement''.

	So firstly, we must assess the organ of publication. [[Newgon.com]], on which this magazine is published, is a website founded to campaign for the right of two or more people, disparate in age, to experience erotic rapport free from prosecution. This campaign involves a diversity of parties, approaching the topic from a number of perspectives both personal and political. Even the site's greatest detractors have capitulated to describing its founder quite plainly as a "gay man".		So firstly, we must assess the organ of publication. [[Newgon]].com, on which this magazine is published, is a website founded to campaign for the right of two or more people, disparate in age, to experience erotic rapport free from prosecution. This campaign involves a diversity of parties, approaching the topic from a number of perspectives both personal and political. Even the site's greatest detractors have capitulated to describing its founder quite plainly as a "gay man".

	''"Pedophiles"''		''"Pedophiles"''

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	A quarterly digest of subversive minor-adult sexuality.		A quarterly digest of subversive minor-adult sexuality.

	'''Edition 2, 16 May, 2009'''. '''[http://newgon.~~com~~/w/images/UncommonSense2.pdf PDF Version]'''		'''Edition 2, 16 May, 2009'''. '''[http://newgon.net/w/images/UncommonSense2.pdf PDF Version]'''

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	Those old enough to remember will generally agree that the old movements for sexual reform (1960s, 70s and 80s), specifically the long-dead pedophile movement, died away because of a combination of factors. Clearly, the 1980s pedophile movement failed to adequately position itself as a suitable progressive movement for that point in time. However, it is in fact doubtful that there was at that time, any scope for pedophiles or similar movements to make considerable progress. Certainly, the fact that today's elite, "pro victim" bureaucrats - at the time just another progressive movement, sided more with protectionism and antisexualism, presented our forefathers with a near-impossible feat. Add to this the inevitable anti-erotic posturing on HIV-AIDS, cynical, government-exacerbated gay schism, previously unseen generation of wealth and government funding for the emerging "victim-offender" psychiatric and prison-industrial complexes, and it is unsurprising that under such circumstances, failure was the only option.		Those old enough to remember will generally agree that the old movements for sexual reform (1960s, 70s and 80s), specifically the long-dead pedophile movement, died away because of a combination of factors. Clearly, the 1980s pedophile movement failed to adequately position itself as a suitable progressive movement for that point in time. However, it is in fact doubtful that there was at that time, any scope for pedophiles or similar movements to make considerable progress. Certainly, the fact that today's elite, "pro victim" bureaucrats - at the time just another progressive movement, sided more with protectionism and antisexualism, presented our forefathers with a near-impossible feat. Add to this the inevitable anti-erotic posturing on HIV-AIDS, cynical, government-exacerbated gay schism, previously unseen generation of wealth and government funding for the emerging "victim-offender" psychiatric and prison-industrial complexes, and it is unsurprising that under such circumstances, failure was the only option.

	Whilst this can only serve to highlight the importance of knowing exactly why past movements were bound to fail, we should not neglect to critically analyse our own agenda. Ironically, one legitimate source of criticism comes from the [http://newgon.~~com~~/forum/viewtopic.php?id=864 gay movement of the 1970s]. In reply to [[Thomas O'Carroll]], a well known pedophile trend-setter, Jamie Gough of the GayLeft collective asserted that "the starting point for the discussion should be a historical materialist analysis of the social oppression of children, and of its contradictions; and the perspective that this opens up for the liberation of children." O'Carroll is criticised for his naturalistic conception of childhood: "I think that this is simply the conventional view, which is at the centre of the oppression of children, that children do not and cannot know their own minds. The point here is not at all to understate the social power of adults to manipulate children. But precisely because that power is social, it has		Whilst this can only serve to highlight the importance of knowing exactly why past movements were bound to fail, we should not neglect to critically analyse our own agenda. Ironically, one legitimate source of criticism comes from the [http://newgon.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=864 gay movement of the 1970s]. In reply to [[Thomas O'Carroll]], a well known pedophile trend-setter, Jamie Gough of the GayLeft collective asserted that "the starting point for the discussion should be a historical materialist analysis of the social oppression of children, and of its contradictions; and the perspective that this opens up for the liberation of children." O'Carroll is criticised for his naturalistic conception of childhood: "I think that this is simply the conventional view, which is at the centre of the oppression of children, that children do not and cannot know their own minds. The point here is not at all to understate the social power of adults to manipulate children. But precisely because that power is social, it has
	cracks in it." In this spirit, it will be advisable for future movements to emphasize the similarities between old and young as well as the differences, settling for nothing less than equal rights in what are admittedly (and by no means atypically) unequal relationships. By emphasizing inequalities and set-in-stone chronological roles, the O'Carroll's and [[David Riegel\|Riegel's]] of this world leave themselves open to anti-oppression critiques - the very bread and butter of the new social movements they should be aiming to emulate.		cracks in it." In this spirit, it will be advisable for future movements to emphasize the similarities between old and young as well as the differences, settling for nothing less than equal rights in what are admittedly (and by no means atypically) unequal relationships. By emphasizing inequalities and set-in-stone chronological roles, the O'Carroll's and [[David Riegel\|Riegel's]] of this world leave themselves open to anti-oppression critiques - the very bread and butter of the new social movements they should be aiming to emulate.

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	On NewgonWiki, a new logo has been developed, user rights have been standardised to sysop and a French language translation of some of our content is underway thanks to a volunteer.		On NewgonWiki, a new logo has been developed, user rights have been standardised to sysop and a French language translation of some of our content is underway thanks to a volunteer.

	Administrators resolved to be [http://newgon.~~com~~/forum/viewtopic.php?id=948 open] when it comes to linking this site on other forums. Indeed, we have been sympathetically linked at picture-sharing sites and [[Anontalk.com]] - a site that hosts many debates on our issues.		Administrators resolved to be [http://newgon.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=948 open] when it comes to linking this site on other forums. Indeed, we have been sympathetically linked at picture-sharing sites and [[Anontalk.com]] - a site that hosts many debates on our issues.

	Finally, daily visiting figures have stabilised in the high 300s, well above the 300-averages of last year.		Finally, daily visiting figures have stabilised in the high 300s, well above the 300-averages of last year.

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	==This issue==		==This issue==

	*[[#Editorials\|Editorials]] - On Gieles' challenge.		*[[#Editorials\|Editorials]] - On Gieles' challenge.
	*[[#State of the movement\|State of the movement]] - Online progress, B4U-Act, Academia		*[[#State of the movement\|State of the movement]] - Online progress, B4U-Act, Academia
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	==Editorials==		==Editorials==

	===What can be done?===		===What can be done?===

	'''On Gieles' challenge'''		'''On Gieles' challenge'''

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	The fair and balanced (although by no means the consensus) definition of our agenda would describe a group of adults for:		The fair and balanced (although by no means the consensus) definition of our agenda would describe a group of adults for:
			#The legalisation of adult-minor erotics ... and/or
	*1. The legalisation of adult-minor erotics ... and/or		#The de-pathologisation and acceptance of adult attractions to minors.

	*2. The de-pathologisation and acceptance of adult attractions to minors.

	Notable absences are minors' relationships with one another and their attractions to adults. Add to this the indispensable advocacy of young people and their eventual emancipation from the category known as ''children''. That these are not included is by no means a denunciation of such interests, but a frank admission that these key elements are absent or exceedingly rare at present.		Notable absences are minors' relationships with one another and their attractions to adults. Add to this the indispensable advocacy of young people and their eventual emancipation from the category known as ''children''. That these are not included is by no means a denunciation of such interests, but a frank admission that these key elements are absent or exceedingly rare at present.
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	===Newgon.com===		===Newgon.com===

	Newgon.com has recently appointed a new administrator, [[Pantheadoros]]. A number of new members have signed up for the forum - some of them, well known veterans of other boards. In May, the forum rules were changed to combat a mini-epidemic of trivia threads and duplicate accounts.		Newgon.com has recently appointed a new administrator, [[Pantheadoros]]. A number of new members have signed up for the forum - some of them, well known veterans of other boards. In May, the forum rules were changed to combat a mini-epidemic of trivia threads and duplicate accounts.

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	==Letters to the Editor==		==Letters to the Editor==

	Apart from private feedback, a few congratulations and a reassuringly fantastical and dyslexic "I seek to unterly[sic] destroy you" comment, we have received no letters of interest after our first issue. The upside of this for our readers is that any considered reply is likely to be published.		Apart from private feedback, a few congratulations and a reassuringly fantastical and dyslexic "I seek to unterly[sic] destroy you" comment, we have received no letters of interest after our first issue. The upside of this for our readers is that any considered reply is likely to be published.

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	==On the forums==		==On the forums==

	===[[BoyChat]]===		===[[BoyChat]]===

	*'''[http://boychat.org/messages/1160314.htm "Researchers" advocate pathologizing hebephilia]''' by [[Richard Kramer]].		*'''[http://boychat.org/messages/1160314.htm "Researchers" advocate pathologizing hebephilia]''' by [[Richard Kramer]].

	:''"Abstract: The term pedophilia denotes the erotic preference for prepubescent children. The term hebephilia has been proposed to denote the erotic preference for pubescent children (roughly, ages 11 or 12–14), but it has not become widely used. The present study sought to validate the concept of hebephilia by examining the agreement between self-reported sexual interests and objectively recorded penile responses in the laboratory. The participants were 881 men who were referred for clinical assessment because of paraphilic, criminal, or otherwise problematic sexual behavior. Within-group comparisons showed that men who verbally reported maximum sexual attraction to pubescent children had greater penile responses to depictions of pubescent children than to depictions of younger or older persons. Between-groups comparisons showed that penile responding distinguished such men from those who reported maximum attraction to prepubescent children and from those who reported maximum attraction to fully grown persons. These results indicated that hebephilia exists as a discriminable erotic age-preference. The authors recommend various ways in which the DSM might be altered to accommodate the present findings. One possibility would be to replace the diagnosis of Pedophilia with Pedohebephilia and allow the clinician to specify one of three subtypes: Sexually Attracted to Children Younger than 11 (Pedophilic Type), Sexually Attracted to Children Age 11–14 (Hebephilic Type), or Sexually Attracted to Both (Pedohebephilic Type). We further recommend that the DSM-V encourage users to record the typical age of children who most attract the patient sexually as well as the gender of children who most attract the patient sexually."''		:''"Abstract: The term pedophilia denotes the erotic preference for prepubescent children. The term hebephilia has been proposed to denote the erotic preference for pubescent children (roughly, ages 11 or 12–14), but it has not become widely used. The present study sought to validate the concept of hebephilia by examining the agreement between self-reported sexual interests and objectively recorded penile responses in the laboratory. The participants were 881 men who were referred for clinical assessment because of paraphilic, criminal, or otherwise problematic sexual behavior. Within-group comparisons showed that men who verbally reported maximum sexual attraction to pubescent children had greater penile responses to depictions of pubescent children than to depictions of younger or older persons. Between-groups comparisons showed that penile responding distinguished such men from those who reported maximum attraction to prepubescent children and from those who reported maximum attraction to fully grown persons. These results indicated that hebephilia exists as a discriminable erotic age-preference. The authors recommend various ways in which the DSM might be altered to accommodate the present findings. One possibility would be to replace the diagnosis of Pedophilia with Pedohebephilia and allow the clinician to specify one of three subtypes: Sexually Attracted to Children Younger than 11 (Pedophilic Type), Sexually Attracted to Children Age 11–14 (Hebephilic Type), or Sexually Attracted to Both (Pedohebephilic Type). We further recommend that the DSM-V encourage users to record the typical age of children who most attract the patient sexually as well as the gender of children who most attract the patient sexually."''

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	===GirlChat===		===GirlChat===

	*'''[http://annabelleigh.net/messages/468850.htm Allies]''' by headwind:		*'''[http://annabelleigh.net/messages/468850.htm Allies]''' by headwind:

	:''"Defenses of childhood sexuality and pedophilia hide in the damndest places. Take, for instance, French feminist thought. The stuff is often very obscure or abstract. But here and there is a dim light... Beauvoir slept with students and signed a petition calling for the abolition of the age of consent; Foucault was going to write a book on childhood sexuality and signed that same petition; leading up to the general strike in 1968 in France, Reich's La Lutte Sexuelle des Jeuenes (Sexual Struggle of the Youth) was widely read.''		:''"Defenses of childhood sexuality and pedophilia hide in the damndest places. Take, for instance, French feminist thought. The stuff is often very obscure or abstract. But here and there is a dim light... Beauvoir slept with students and signed a petition calling for the abolition of the age of consent; Foucault was going to write a book on childhood sexuality and signed that same petition; leading up to the general strike in 1968 in France, Reich's La Lutte Sexuelle des Jeuenes (Sexual Struggle of the Youth) was widely read.''

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	==This 3 months in anti-pedophilia==		==This 3 months in anti-pedophilia==

	[[Image:AZU.jpg\|thumb\|left\|"Stop these predatory criminals!"]][[Image:Hertum.jpg\|thumb\|left\|"But my [[Yvonne van Hertum\|career]] must go on! Hail ze pedojaagster!"]][[Perverted Justice]] could almost be described as a sympathiser now. Why else would they choose to celebrate [[Alice Day]] by increasing teh number of evil peedos on the internet by a handsome figure in a stage-managed mass-expose? As with so many of these sites, direct links to [[Wikisposure]] are discouraged. In summary, some people's prurient "outrage" knows no bounds.		[[Image:AZU.jpg\|thumb\|left\|"Stop these predatory criminals!"]][[Image:Hertum.jpg\|thumb\|left\|"But my [[Yvonne van Hertum\|career]] must go on! Hail ze pedojaagster!"]][[Perverted Justice]] could almost be described as a sympathiser now. Why else would they choose to celebrate [[Alice Day]] by increasing teh number of evil peedos on the internet by a handsome figure in a stage-managed mass-expose? As with so many of these sites, direct links to [[Wikisposure]] are discouraged. In summary, some people's prurient "outrage" knows no bounds.

	===NAMbLA false flagging===		===NAMbLA false flagging===

	In March, [[NAMbLA]] were accused by the New York Post and MSNBC of putting a $10,000 bounty on the head of Attorney General [[Andrew Cuomo]]. This followed an anonymous posting on usenet, made by someone claiming to represent NAMbLA, whilst advertising "$10,000 to shoot Andrew Cuomo in the face!". Apparently unaware or ignorant of the fact that such claims are made frequently, and in similar mocking-tones on newsgroups, where NAMbLA is the butt of numerous jokes, American authorities used this threat as the launchpad for a criminal investigation, inspiring [[Yellow journalism\|gutter press]] journalists to defame a virtually defunct and cash-strapped organisation that would have been able to sue against such claims if it had $10,000 at its disposal. [http://www.nypost.com/seven/03092009/news/columnists/perv_group_puts_10g_hit_on_andy_158663.htm][http://www.edgeboston.com/index.php?ch=news&sc=&sc2=news&sc3=&id=88255][http://www.nypost.com/seven/03102009/news/regionalnews/probe_fails_to_keep_price_off_cuomos_hea_158910.htm][http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29593394]		In March, [[NAMbLA]] were accused by the New York Post and MSNBC of putting a $10,000 bounty on the head of Attorney General [[Andrew Cuomo]]. This followed an anonymous posting on usenet, made by someone claiming to represent NAMbLA, whilst advertising "$10,000 to shoot Andrew Cuomo in the face!". Apparently unaware or ignorant of the fact that such claims are made frequently, and in similar mocking-tones on newsgroups, where NAMbLA is the butt of numerous jokes, American authorities used this threat as the launchpad for a criminal investigation, inspiring [[Yellow journalism\|gutter press]] journalists to defame a virtually defunct and cash-strapped organisation that would have been able to sue against such claims if it had $10,000 at its disposal. [http://www.nypost.com/seven/03092009/news/columnists/perv_group_puts_10g_hit_on_andy_158663.htm][http://www.edgeboston.com/index.php?ch=news&sc=&sc2=news&sc3=&id=88255][http://www.nypost.com/seven/03102009/news/regionalnews/probe_fails_to_keep_price_off_cuomos_hea_158910.htm][http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29593394]

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	==Links and recommended reading==		==Links and recommended reading==

	*[http://www.inquisition21.com/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&PAGE_id=20&MMN_position=19:17 Notes from another Country] - Excellent e.book on the current situation, with an interesting application of psychoanalysis.		*[http://www.inquisition21.com/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&PAGE_id=20&MMN_position=19:17 Notes from another Country] - Excellent e.book on the current situation, with an interesting application of psychoanalysis.

	*[http://www.somebodythinkofthechildren.com/ Somebodythinkofthechildren] - Moral panic and internet censorship in Australia.		*[http://www.somebodythinkofthechildren.com Somebodythinkofthechildren] - Moral panic and internet censorship in Australia.
			*[http://www.comicbookalliance.org.uk Comic Book Alliance] - A group in the UK, opposed to the Coroners and Justice Bill.
	*[http://www.comicbookalliance.org.uk/ Comic Book Alliance] - A group in the UK, opposed to the Coroners and Justice Bill.		*[http://www.solresearch.org SOLResearch] - Burns' research on Sex Offender Laws and their victims.

	*[http://www.solresearch.org/ SOLResearch] - Burns' research on Sex Offender Laws and their victims.

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	A quarterly digest of subversive minor-adult sexuality.		A quarterly digest of subversive minor-adult sexuality.

	'''Edition 2, 16 May, 2009'''.		'''Edition 2, 16 May, 2009'''. '''[http://newgon.com/w/images/UncommonSense2.pdf PDF Version]'''
	*[[Uncommon Sense Edition 1]] - 16 Feb, 2009. '''[http://newgon.com/w/images/UncommonSense2.pdf PDF Version]'''

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	*[[Uncommon Sense Edition 1]] - 16 Feb, 2009. '''[http://newgon.com/w/images/UncommonSense2.pdf PDF Version]'''		*[[Uncommon Sense Edition 1]] - 16 Feb, 2009. '''[http://newgon.com/w/images/UncommonSense2.pdf PDF Version]'''


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