User talk:Thorn - Revision history

Thorn: /* Email */

2026-04-22T18:06:00Z

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	:''Hello! I have been researching the topic of ACSC for quite a bit and i would love if the wiki could respond to these two articles (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0145213402003174 and https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12151287/#:~:text=Men%20who%20reported%20sexual%20molestation,range%3D1.3-5.2)., availible on Annas Archive). They have been shown to me as counter-arguments against rind, claiming to show that, even if adult child sexual contact is viewed positively, they leads to increased negative mental health problems. Unsure what to make of it, if its caused by secondary victimization or not.If an article is ever written, or if a rebuttal is added to the wiki, please email me. Thanks a lot!''		:''Hello! I have been researching the topic of ACSC for quite a bit and i would love if the wiki could respond to these two articles (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0145213402003174 and https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12151287/#:~:text=Men%20who%20reported%20sexual%20molestation,range%3D1.3-5.2)., availible on Annas Archive). They have been shown to me as counter-arguments against rind, claiming to show that, even if adult child sexual contact is viewed positively, they leads to increased negative mental health problems. Unsure what to make of it, if its caused by secondary victimization or not.If an article is ever written, or if a rebuttal is added to the wiki, please email me. Thanks a lot!''
			:: I looked at these articles. The first study is weak due to small sample, the second is better, but didn't add news to the topic. The researchers themselves wrote about inability to make causal evidence, consent is a predictor of '''lesser''' disturbance compared to abuse, and although consented childhood experiences predicted more selfharm compared to control group, it should be kept in mind that multiple third factors which accompany sexual experiences weren’t considered in this study. I'd recommended our [[Research: Methodological flaws and syndrome construction]] In addition I recommend a good illustration of this topic: ''Peer contacts were associated—at magnitudes and significance levels comparable to adult-child sexual contacts—with overall well-being and sexual adjustment during adulthood.'' see study Edward O. Laumann, Christopher R. Browning, 2003 in [[Research:_Prevalence_of_Harm_and_Negative_Outcomes#Outcomes_and_"severity"]] section. These studies don't stand out as particularly strong compared to thousands of others with the same low level of evidence. But if there is need of a detailed analysis of these studies specifically, I can go into more detail, and probably add them to [[Research: Methodological flaws and syndrome construction]] as examples of low quality counter arguments [[User:Thorn\|Thorn]] ([[User talk:Thorn\|talk]]) 18:06, 22 April 2026 (UTC)

Jim Burton: /* Email */

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	==Email==		==Email==

	:''Hello! I have been researching the topic of ACSC for quite a bit and i would love if the wiki could respond to these two articles (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0145213402003174 and https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12151287/#:~:text=Men%20who%20reported%20sexual%20molestation,range%3D1.3-5.2)., availible on Annas Archive). They have been shown to me as counter-arguments against rind, claiming to show that, even if adult child sexual contact is viewed positively, they leads to increased negative mental health problems. Unsure what to make of it, if its caused by secondary victimization or not.		:''Hello! I have been researching the topic of ACSC for quite a bit and i would love if the wiki could respond to these two articles (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0145213402003174 and https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12151287/#:~:text=Men%20who%20reported%20sexual%20molestation,range%3D1.3-5.2)., availible on Annas Archive). They have been shown to me as counter-arguments against rind, claiming to show that, even if adult child sexual contact is viewed positively, they leads to increased negative mental health problems. Unsure what to make of it, if its caused by secondary victimization or not.If an article is ever written, or if a rebuttal is added to the wiki, please email me. Thanks a lot!''
	If an article is ever written, or if a rebuttal is added to the wiki, please email me. Thanks a lot!''

Jim Burton at 16:47, 12 April 2026

2026-04-12T16:47:23Z

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	Perhaps they could be added to our list, or integrated somehow. --[[User:Jim Burton\|Jim Burton]] ([[User talk:Jim Burton\|talk]]) 21:23, 23 November 2025 (UTC)		Perhaps they could be added to our list, or integrated somehow. --[[User:Jim Burton\|Jim Burton]] ([[User talk:Jim Burton\|talk]]) 21:23, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
	: Thank you! I'll think about it. [[User:Thorn\|Thorn]] ([[User talk:Thorn\|talk]]) 10:18, 25 November 2025 (UTC)		: Thank you! I'll think about it. [[User:Thorn\|Thorn]] ([[User talk:Thorn\|talk]]) 10:18, 25 November 2025 (UTC)

			==Email==

			:''Hello! I have been researching the topic of ACSC for quite a bit and i would love if the wiki could respond to these two articles (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0145213402003174 and https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12151287/#:~:text=Men%20who%20reported%20sexual%20molestation,range%3D1.3-5.2)., availible on Annas Archive). They have been shown to me as counter-arguments against rind, claiming to show that, even if adult child sexual contact is viewed positively, they leads to increased negative mental health problems. Unsure what to make of it, if its caused by secondary victimization or not.
			If an article is ever written, or if a rebuttal is added to the wiki, please email me. Thanks a lot!''

Thorn: /* Fallacy List */

2025-11-25T10:18:23Z

Fallacy List

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	Perhaps they could be added to our list, or integrated somehow. --[[User:Jim Burton\|Jim Burton]] ([[User talk:Jim Burton\|talk]]) 21:23, 23 November 2025 (UTC)		Perhaps they could be added to our list, or integrated somehow. --[[User:Jim Burton\|Jim Burton]] ([[User talk:Jim Burton\|talk]]) 21:23, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
			: Thank you! I'll think about it. [[User:Thorn\|Thorn]] ([[User talk:Thorn\|talk]]) 10:18, 25 November 2025 (UTC)

Jim Burton: /* Fallacy List */ new section

2025-11-23T21:23:45Z

Fallacy List: new section

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	::thank you![[User:Thorn\|Thorn]] ([[User talk:Thorn\|talk]]) 14:48, 11 August 2025 (UTC)		::thank you![[User:Thorn\|Thorn]] ([[User talk:Thorn\|talk]]) 14:48, 11 August 2025 (UTC)

			== Fallacy List ==

			There is a [https://forum.map-union.org/viewtopic.php?t=3339 forum thread] where a user has added some fallacies - a percentage of them are not covered on our list. Some of them also demonstrate how the fallacious argument might be used to argue in support of the subject.

			Perhaps they could be added to our list, or integrated somehow. --[[User:Jim Burton\|Jim Burton]] ([[User talk:Jim Burton\|talk]]) 21:23, 23 November 2025 (UTC)

Thorn: /* Effects of pornography */

2025-08-11T14:48:17Z

Effects of pornography

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	https://www.academia.edu/11604002/Saving_the_Children_Pornography_Childhood_and_the_Internet --[[User:Jim Burton\|Jim Burton]] ([[User talk:Jim Burton\|talk]]) 21:12, 3 August 2025 (UTC)		https://www.academia.edu/11604002/Saving_the_Children_Pornography_Childhood_and_the_Internet --[[User:Jim Burton\|Jim Burton]] ([[User talk:Jim Burton\|talk]]) 21:12, 3 August 2025 (UTC)

			::thank you![[User:Thorn\|Thorn]] ([[User talk:Thorn\|talk]]) 14:48, 11 August 2025 (UTC)

Jim Burton: /* Effects ofpornography */

2025-08-03T21:12:11Z

Effects ofpornography

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	: Interesting! Thanks! [[User:Thorn\|Thorn]] ([[User talk:Thorn\|talk]]) 15:37, 31 July 2025 (UTC)		: Interesting! Thanks! [[User:Thorn\|Thorn]] ([[User talk:Thorn\|talk]]) 15:37, 31 July 2025 (UTC)

	==Effects ~~ofpornography~~==		==Effects of pornography==

	I recently did a very brief sweep of literature for our effects of pornography review. I located one paper that might be useful for a deep read.		I recently did a very brief sweep of literature for our effects of pornography review. I located one paper that might be useful for a deep read.

	https://www.academia.edu/11604002/Saving_the_Children_Pornography_Childhood_and_the_Internet --[[User:Jim Burton\|Jim Burton]] ([[User talk:Jim Burton\|talk]]) 21:12, 3 August 2025 (UTC)		https://www.academia.edu/11604002/Saving_the_Children_Pornography_Childhood_and_the_Internet --[[User:Jim Burton\|Jim Burton]] ([[User talk:Jim Burton\|talk]]) 21:12, 3 August 2025 (UTC)

Jim Burton: /* Children, kink, fetishes */

2025-08-03T21:12:03Z

Children, kink, fetishes

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	: Interesting! Thanks! [[User:Thorn\|Thorn]] ([[User talk:Thorn\|talk]]) 15:37, 31 July 2025 (UTC)		: Interesting! Thanks! [[User:Thorn\|Thorn]] ([[User talk:Thorn\|talk]]) 15:37, 31 July 2025 (UTC)

			==Effects ofpornography==

			I recently did a very brief sweep of literature for our effects of pornography review. I located one paper that might be useful for a deep read.

			https://www.academia.edu/11604002/Saving_the_Children_Pornography_Childhood_and_the_Internet --[[User:Jim Burton\|Jim Burton]] ([[User talk:Jim Burton\|talk]]) 21:12, 3 August 2025 (UTC)

Thorn: /* Children, kink, fetishes */

2025-07-31T15:38:05Z

Children, kink, fetishes

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	--[[User:Jim Burton\|Jim Burton]] ([[User talk:Jim Burton\|talk]]) 17:37, 25 July 2025 (UTC)		--[[User:Jim Burton\|Jim Burton]] ([[User talk:Jim Burton\|talk]]) 17:37, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
			: Interesting! Thanks! [[User:Thorn\|Thorn]] ([[User talk:Thorn\|talk]]) 15:37, 31 July 2025 (UTC)

Jim Burton at 17:37, 25 July 2025

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	I notice on Matrix, someone has set up a large archive that goes beyond the original files saved by Peace. Would you be interested in copying any unsaved documents to our cloud storage and starting the process of publishing them in a useful order (via the chronological archive)? --[[User:Jim Burton\|Jim Burton]] ([[User talk:Jim Burton\|talk]]) 11:03, 25 April 2025 (UTC)		I notice on Matrix, someone has set up a large archive that goes beyond the original files saved by Peace. Would you be interested in copying any unsaved documents to our cloud storage and starting the process of publishing them in a useful order (via the chronological archive)? --[[User:Jim Burton\|Jim Burton]] ([[User talk:Jim Burton\|talk]]) 11:03, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

			==Children, kink, fetishes==

			I found this useful review which may interest you, particularly the Brown, 2019 study and it's conclusions about children and BDSM. May be useful for the childhood sexuality review.

			https://sexedrescue.com/children-kink-fetishes/

			--[[User:Jim Burton\|Jim Burton]] ([[User talk:Jim Burton\|talk]]) 17:37, 25 July 2025 (UTC)