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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:''"Unlike gay identity, which, though deliberately proclaimed in an act of affirmation, is nonetheless rooted in the positive fact of homosexual object-choice, queer identity need not be grounded in any positive truth or in any stable reality. As the very word implies, "queer" does not name some natural kind or refer to some determinate object; it acquires its meaning from its oppositional relation to the norm. Queer is by definition whatever is at odds with the normal, the legitimate, the dominant. There is nothing in particular to which it necessarily refers. It is an identity without an essence. "Queer," <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">them</del>, demarcates not a positivity but a positinality vis-a-vis the normative--a positionality that is not restricted to lesbians and gay men but is in fact available to anyone who is or who feels marginalized because of her or his sexual practices: it could include some married couples without children, for example. . . . "Queer," in any case, does not designate a class of already objectified pathologies or perversions; rather, it describes a horizon of possibility whose precise extent and heterogeneous scope cannot in principle be delimited in advance. It is from the eccentric positionality occupied by the queer subject that it may become possible to envision a variety of possibilities for reordering the relations among sexual behaviors, erotic identities, constructions of gender, forms of knowledge, regimes of enunciation, logics of representation, modes of self-constitution, and practices of community--for restructuring, that is, the relations among power, truth, and desire."''<ref>[http://courses.missouristate.edu/RalphSmith/notes/Pubpol7_Notes_29.htm David M. Halperin. ''Saint Foucault: Towards a Gay Hagiography.'' New York: Oxford University Press, 1995.]</ref></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:''"Unlike gay identity, which, though deliberately proclaimed in an act of affirmation, is nonetheless rooted in the positive fact of homosexual object-choice, queer identity need not be grounded in any positive truth or in any stable reality. As the very word implies, "queer" does not name some natural kind or refer to some determinate object; it acquires its meaning from its oppositional relation to the norm. Queer is by definition whatever is at odds with the normal, the legitimate, the dominant. There is nothing in particular to which it necessarily refers. It is an identity without an essence. "Queer," <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">then</ins>, demarcates not a positivity but a positinality vis-a-vis the normative--a positionality that is not restricted to lesbians and gay men but is in fact available to anyone who is or who feels marginalized because of her or his sexual practices: it could include some married couples without children, for example. . . . "Queer," in any case, does not designate a class of already objectified pathologies or perversions; rather, it describes a horizon of possibility whose precise extent and heterogeneous scope cannot in principle be delimited in advance. It is from the eccentric positionality occupied by the queer subject that it may become possible to envision a variety of possibilities for reordering the relations among sexual behaviors, erotic identities, constructions of gender, forms of knowledge, regimes of enunciation, logics of representation, modes of self-constitution, and practices of community--for restructuring, that is, the relations among power, truth, and desire."''<ref>[http://courses.missouristate.edu/RalphSmith/notes/Pubpol7_Notes_29.htm David M. Halperin. ''Saint Foucault: Towards a Gay Hagiography.'' New York: Oxford University Press, 1995.]</ref></div></td></tr>
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</table>The Adminshttps://wiki.yesmap.net/wiki/index.php?title=Validity_Policing&diff=29959&oldid=prevMatthewyoung at 23:17, 8 December 20242024-12-08T23:17:29Z<p></p>
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</table>Matthewyounghttps://wiki.yesmap.net/wiki/index.php?title=Validity_Policing&diff=29935&oldid=prevMatthewyoung at 20:34, 7 December 20242024-12-07T20:34:15Z<p></p>
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</table>Matthewyounghttps://wiki.yesmap.net/wiki/index.php?title=Validity_Policing&diff=29934&oldid=prevMatthewyoung at 20:31, 7 December 20242024-12-07T20:31:53Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">This </del>system of thought <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">is easily deconstructed </del>as <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">an SJW </del>re-hash of <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">the </del>1980s ''respectability politics'' and shaming/boycotting campaigns embraced by the '''religious-right moral majority'''. Similar rhetorical strategies were also used by the Nazis against Homosexuals and Jews<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20140109235532/http://archive.guidemag.com/magcontent/invokemagcontent.cfm?ID=064C63A6-125A-11D4-A7AB00A0C9D84F02 Human Rights Wrongs, by Andriette, 1998]</ref>, resulting in the deployment of carceral psychiatry, even in the postwar era. The cynical aim of the ''identity validity'' hypothesis is therefore to provide a framework for the erasure of select minorities by more powerful or state/corporate-assimilated minorities. </div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Critics portray the </ins>system of thought as <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">a </ins>re-hash of 1980s ''respectability politics'' and shaming/boycotting campaigns embraced by the '''religious-right moral majority'''. Similar rhetorical strategies were also used by the Nazis against Homosexuals and Jews<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20140109235532/http://archive.guidemag.com/magcontent/invokemagcontent.cfm?ID=064C63A6-125A-11D4-A7AB00A0C9D84F02 Human Rights Wrongs, by Andriette, 1998]</ref>, resulting in the deployment of carceral psychiatry, even in the postwar era. The cynical aim of the ''identity validity'' hypothesis is therefore to provide a framework for the erasure of select minorities by more powerful or state/corporate-assimilated minorities. </div></td></tr>
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</table>Matthewyounghttps://wiki.yesmap.net/wiki/index.php?title=Validity_Policing&diff=29141&oldid=prevThe Admins at 01:38, 11 September 20242024-09-11T01:38:31Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>[[File:Validashell.png|thumb|Validity Discourse]]There are many examples of LGBT validity-policing campaigns against MAPs, going right back to NOMAPs such as Enderphile. Examples from late 2021 include Sappho (a Zoophile with minor followers who came out as a MAP, and then supposedly entered a psych-ward after being attacked online), Lecter (a well-known [[anti-contact]] MAP personality), and the example of a seemingly anti-contact, out trans MAP who posted openly for some time, and was then "ratioed" by members of her own community. </div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>[[File:Validashell.png|thumb|Validity Discourse]]There are many examples of LGBT validity-policing campaigns against MAPs, going right back to NOMAPs such as Enderphile.<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"><ref name="walker">[https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/00918369.2019.1613856 Walker, A. (2019). “I’m Not like That, So Am I Gay?” The Use of Queer-Spectrum Identity Labels Among Minor-Attracted People. Journal of Homosexuality, 67(12), 1736–1759. https://doi.org/10.1080/00918369.2019.1613856]</ref> </ins>Examples from late 2021 include Sappho (a Zoophile with minor followers who came out as a MAP, and then supposedly entered a psych-ward after being attacked online), Lecter (a well-known [[anti-contact]] MAP personality), and the example of a seemingly anti-contact, out trans MAP who posted openly for some time, and was then "ratioed" by members of her own community. </div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>File:Seph.png|<small>A 14-year old "non contact" Zoophile was relentlessly pursued by moral crusaders/validity sadists and urged to kill herself. When she seemingly complied, the harassers celebrated on Twitter</small></div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>File:Seph.png|<small>A 14-year old "non contact" Zoophile was relentlessly pursued by moral crusaders/validity sadists and urged to kill herself. When she seemingly complied, the harassers celebrated on Twitter</small></div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>File:Wedge.png|<small>As a result of validity policing within the LGBT community, paraphilias are becoming a "wedge issue", leading to the re-drawing of old alliances</small></div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>File:Wedge.png|<small>As a result of validity policing within the LGBT community, paraphilias are becoming a "wedge issue", leading to the re-drawing of old alliances</small></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>File:CSWInvalidation.png|<small>One powerful way of humbling validity sadists is by comparing them to the homosexuals who chased pederasts out of their own movement in the 80s and 90s. These events eventually led to the creation of MAP identities LGBT people invalidate</small></div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>File:CSWInvalidation.png|<small>One powerful way of humbling validity sadists is by comparing them to the homosexuals who chased pederasts out of their own movement in the 80s and 90s. These events eventually led to the creation of MAP identities LGBT people invalidate</small></div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>File:Screenshot 20210918-215128 DuckDuckGo.jpg|<small>Hornet (a gay dating app) trying (and failing) to explain what MAP activism can be. [[Wikipedia:Conversion therapy|Conversion Therapy]] irony</small>-------⇒●</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>File:Screenshot 20210918-215128 DuckDuckGo.jpg|<small>Hornet (a gay dating app) trying (and failing) to explain what MAP activism can be. [[Wikipedia:Conversion therapy|Conversion Therapy]] irony</small>-------⇒●</div></td></tr>
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