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Corrupted-justice: They are not our allies

Viamund
Last modified on September 30, 2007

I would advise not being involved with or posting any links to Corrupted Justice. They are as deluded as PJ and their allies at Perverted Justice. They actually fooled me into thinking that they were some sort of legal group. They are just a pack of stupid anti-sex, puritanical Christian-types.

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The background is that when I first heard about Corrupted-justice, I thought that they were some form of legal team that was building a class-action case against Perverted-justice and their band of vigilantes. I contacted Corrupted-justice and explained ( in detail ) my situation with them. I included links to my book and pages as well as the hate sites made by the vigilantes.

The Corrupted-justice team did reply and sent me an e-mail encouraging me to join their forums. This is a sample of a thread from their Forums. I replied and they were quite rude to me.

#1 ————————————————————-

Subject: PJ’s newest target Amazon.com?

By CJ Black Widow.

It looks like a book banning crusade.

Quote: From one of PJ’s Sites.

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“I’m new so this has probably been brought up before and I wasnt’ here to see it. I’ve been reading the different forums and links found in them. I was pretty disgusted when I read that Amazon.com sells boy-love books. So I emailed them and cancelled my account.

This was their reply:

“Thank you for writing to Amazon.com with your concerns. I understand that you feel very strongly about this issue. I am sorry for any frustration caused in this matter.

Let me assure you that Amazon.com does not support or promote hatred or criminal acts; we do support the right of every individual to choose his or her own reading material or entertainment. As a retailer, our goal is to provide customers with the broadest selection possible so they can find, discover, and buy any item they might be seeking. That selection includes some items which many people may find objectionable. Therefore, the items offered on our web site represent a wide spectrum of opinions on a variety of topics. Amazon.com believes it is censorship not to sell certain titles because we believe their message is objectionable. Therefore, we will continue to make controversial works available in the United States and everywhere else, except where they are prohibited by law. We also allow readers, authors, and publishers to express their views freely about these titles and other products we offer on our web site. However, Amazon.com does not endorse any opinions expressed by individual authors, musical artists, or filmmakers. Before authorizing us to close your account, please read the following information carefully. Further action is required in order to close your account.

Once your account is closed, it is no longer accessible by you or anyone else. You will need to start a new account if you wish to order more items on our site, participate in auctions, or take advantage of any other features on our web site which require a password. Closing your account means that you will no longer have access to the following:

– your customer account for making purchases and selling items on

– Amazon.com

– your accounts at Amazon.ca, Amazon.co.uk, Amazon.de, Amazon.fr, or Amazon.co.jp

– Your Media Library area, including any digital products you may have purchased

– your Amazon Wish List, Baby or Wedding Registry, or profile page

– your outstanding Amazon.com gift certificate or check funds balance

– your purchase history and saved gifts in Gift Central

Here are some other things to consider before you authorize cancellation of your account: if you use the same e-mail and password combination to shop at our Amazon Web Services sites (Target.com, NBA.com, and CDNow Preferred Buyer’s Club, Bebe.com, BenefitCosmetics.com), these accounts will be automatically closed as well. Any open Amazon.com orders you have will be cancelled. If you have an outstanding refund or an A-z Guarantee claim, we cannot ensure resolution or that you will receive a refund.

If you are planning to return any items, please wait until the refund has been processed before requesting that we close your account. Refunds are typically processed within 2 to 3 days after we receive your package at our returns center. If you still want us to close your account, please write back to us by visiting this page: Please send your request from the e-mail address associated with the account you would like to close. Be sure to include the name on the account, so that we may verify your identity, and in the “Comments” section please confirm that you want your account closed. Thank you for contacting Amazon.com”.

Does PJ ever go after companies that sell on line? Just wonder how effective it would be”.

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Replies at PJ’s site:

1. “There has been a major campaign against amazon for a while now by multiple anti-pedophile blogs/activists because of Viamund the Rake (which is who I am assuming you a re talking about). The thing is that Amazon will not listen to any reasoning, so a lot of people are boycotting it altogether.

Some things I have seen happening is contacting advertisers on Amazon to explain to them just exactly where their advertising dollars are going to support and what their product is being advertised with. Unfortunately, what they consider “free speech” is just that money talks, so if the advertisers start to go, they might have to reconsider. Other people might know other things that are/can be done. Boycotting is pointless.

We’ll have a writeup on the Amazon stuff (The Viamund book is the tip of the iceberg, Erika and I found more last year, stuff worse than that stupid vampire book) soon”.

2. “Glad to hear something is planned. It wasn’t that book I was upset about, but close enough. I’ll be willing to help in any way I can”.

3. “Amazon should be held responsible for their actions. I wonder what other kinds of books they sell. Bomb-making book”.

#2 (By Chrysalis) ————————————————————-

And how to be a harassing, media whoring, unethical so-called journalist:

To Catch a Predator: Protecting Your Kids from Online Enemies Already in Your Home (Hardcover)

by Chris Hansen (Author)

Well, yes. But I think there are other pedo books. I believe Riegel’s books, or at least one of them is on there. But I do like the comparison of books that tell people how to make bombs to pedobooks. I think it fits.

#3 (By Another day in Paradise) ————————————————————-

So wait, just because an online book store decides to sell books that PJ doesn’t agree with, they’re going to start an asault on them?

I guess I should boycot the local Barnes&Nobles just because they have books I don’t agree with.

#4 (By PJ Buster) ————————————————————-

Amazing. There a probably a lot of books some people would find objectionable at Amazon.com in one way or another.And comparisons to bomb-making books? I remember that quite a few years ago a book called Home Anarchist Cookbook or something like that was all the rage. Banned, underground availability, and now easily available in “weird” artsy alien-conspiracy/counter-culture type bookstores. The types of people who would most be interested in such an anarchist manifesto would be PJers themselves. Ironically. Oh but they’d use those bombs to blow up pedos. So it’s all good. Ancillary damage to adjacent houses would be collateral damage.

PJ flyer policy: “what we need in the way of a mailing list are …, as well as ADDRESSES ONLY (NO NAMES) of random neighbors, both on the street where the offender lives and surrounding streets”.

#5 (By Ebolito) ————————————————————-

Has anybody even read these books? I was looking for the title mentioned, but Amazon.com says there were no results matched. Or, even better, a list of titles of such books?

#6 (By PJ Buster) —————————————————————

There doesn’t appear to be a book called “Viamund the Rake”. However there is a website of that phrase. Do a Google on “Viamund the rake” (include quotes). I don’t wish to link it here.

Amazon has the book by “Viamund” (same author I assume) called “Viamund the Boylove Vampyre Says..”

#7 (By Dodger) ————————————————————-

The reactionary foolishness that emanates from that place (PJ) is sometimes just astounding! What’s even more astounding that regardless, every day there are new idiots leaping into the fray shouting “PJ is a good thing!”

“I don’t like that book! Let’s try to ruin anyone who sells it!”

WTF

Something I never understood about this sort of “call to action” against a company like Amazon.com for <gasp> selling objectionable books… What is their reasoning? That someone might accidentally buy the book & be offended? Are they concerned that someone might get hurt because advocates of the book may be hunting people down, tying them up and FORCING them to read the objectionable books? I feel quite justified in trying to get PJ to stop what they are doing – They are proactively affecting (in many cases, hurting) innocent people. They have tried to hurt me. Opposing their activities is honorable and justifiable. But to begin attacking a legitimate company who can’t possibly hurt me simply because they are selling something to someone else that I personally find objectionable?? Seig Heil!!

#8 (By Ebolito) ————————————————————-

The DSM (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders) definition of pedophilia doesn’t allow it:

(a) Over a period of at least 6 months, recurrent, intense sexually arousing fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors involving sexual activity with a prepubescent child or children (generally age 13 years or younger).

(b) The person has acted on these urges, or the sexual urges or fantasies cause marked distress or interpersonal difficulty.

(c) The person is at least age 16 years and at least 5 years older than the child.

#9 (By Yersinia) ————————————————————-

Pedophiles aren’t aroused by adult porn.

In case you weren’t aware, there are thousands of free porn sites on the web, all of which have much more explicit material than PJ. There are many sources of illegal child porn as well. PJ as a source of arousal for pedophiles is a strange notion and doesn’t make sense.

#10 (By Supreme Justice) ————————————————————-

Though, how are you saying they are aroused by the male images? In an exhibitionist sense (the idea of showing genitalia to someone else), or the image of the penis itself? Because the latter is least likely (if at all).

Do you have a link to a study that comes to this conclusion? I’d like to read it

Do I also need to provide citations for homosexual men and heterosexual women not being aroused by women? And vice versa. Please provide proof. Fairly simple to provide the source if you have one Otherwise, it’s just conjecture and your personal opinion.

Again, do you have a link to a study that comes to this conclusion, or not?

#11 (By Yersinia) ————————————————————-

No. Nor do I have a link to a study that comes to the conclusion that heterosexual men aren’t aroused by men or that the world isn’t flat. So I suppose the PJ web site could be inciting homosexual men to rape women by the same reasoning you’re espousing here. Yep, it could happen. Even non-pedophile women could be excited by the PJ web site to rape kids… or other women… or men, even. Anyone could be driven to sexually molest anyone else by the content of that site, despite all that common sense and the DSM-IV tells us.

#12 (By Supreme Justice) ————————————————————-

A simple “No, I don’t have a link that comes to that conclusion” would have sufficed.

Or “This is just my Yersinia opinion” Well, Yersinia take some time to look up the scientific studies and their conclusions behind motivation to commit rape. Rape and molestation are NOT the same thing. Nor are the motivators for rape and molestation the same thing. Why so hesitant to state something as your personal opinion versus verifiable fact? Perhaps your well aware that your opinion is biased and faulty? Yea, I think so.

#13 (By Chrysalis) ————————————————————-

Pedophile joins PJ—makes the rounds about the site–discovers the wanker porn images posted by PJ–gets all crazy insanely “aroused”–pedophile logs out and goes looking for a young boy on the internet.

Pedophiles aren’t aroused by adult porn. In case you weren’t aware, there are thousands of free porn sites on the web, all of which have much more explicit material than PJ. There are many sources of illegal child porn as well. PJ as a source of arousal for pedophiles is a strange notion and doesn’t make sense.

was just trying to get ya rattled by taking you into the mind of how a PJ supporter thinks,I guess I am rusty in that department.Wait..not rusty,I can’t post a comment like a PJ member because I was never able to think like one.

#14 (By Viamund) ————————————————————-

How odd… I’m sure I already posted a reply here to this thread. My book is certainly available – albeit discriminated against as it is no longer posted on all the AMAZON sites as it was. The stupid vigilantes did manage to get it banned by Amazon until I complained to them. They only reposted it on their Amazon.com (USA) site and it is still not available on the other Amazon sites such as .ca, .fr, .uk etc. I complained about that and they told me to contact Amazon have them re-list it myself. Well I don’t know how to do that. If you’d like to order a copy feel free to go here

[*Edited by CJBW: Please do not post links like this again. We are not a pro-pedophile website”]

and click the booklink

Thanks for your interest and support. Time for truth.

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Here’s the message “admin” sent to my inbox:

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Message From: CJ Black Widow to Viamund. Subject: Your posts Please do not post those links again.

We have looked over your site and have determined that it is pro-pedophile which is not what we stand for. If you do it again we may be forced to ban you. This site is about Perverted-Justice, not a site in which you can post links to pedophilia or promote your opinions on pedophilia.

My reply ————————————————————-

You and PJ have so much in common. Perhaps it is time to pack it all in?

As your Christian friends would like to repeat this lie “Remove the LOG from your own eye first before you attempt to remove dust from another’s.”

Reply to me ————————————————————-

I PM’ed you about your site and how it was objectionable.

Sorry you could not handle it. We do not promote pedophila. PERIOD

Get the fuck over it.

Oh…and locked.

Another reply to me ————————————————————-

I was the first to delete your self promoting pedophilia tripe and I’d happily ban you as well.

I don’t give a flying shit if you consider the trash you’ve written as valuable or protected by free speech or not. You do not have free speech here. Period.

This site is privately owned and operated and you don’t have a say in what is or is not permitted to be posted. Cry and whine all you want. Scream it from the mountains, take out an ad in the newspaper, email your congressman and the President on how you’ve been wronged for all I care. It won’t change a thing.

So bugger off forever. Hit the exit door and don’t come back.

Supreme Justice

“Evil or Very Mad”

thats just my personal opinion as a human being on the subject. I
get to see pedophiles whining and crying and stamping their feet. I
get to make plans to aggressively “EVIL VIGILANTE STYLE!” (LORD how
I’ve missed that!)..

Phillip J Eide aka Xavier

Reply with mission statement ————————————————————-

Corrupted-Justice.com members will do their utmost to participate
intelligently in any discussion, online or off, in an attempt to
assist the general public in becoming aware of the dangers
associated with any form of vigilantism, and in particular, the
dangers associated with the website Perverted-Justice.com.
Where possible, Corrupted-Justice.com members will help to provide
members of the media with the information necessary to allow
unbiased and non-sensationalistic reporting of facts surrounding
the actions of Perverted-Justice.com.

Where possible, Corrupted-Justice.com members will actively
participate in educating themselves to the facts, both legal and
civil regarding the actions of Perverted-Justice.com, and will
actively share this information with other Corrupted-Justice.com
members

Where possible, Corrupted-Justice.com members will actively assist
in making the appropriate legal community aware of the techniques
and operating procedures used by Perverted-Justice.com in their day-
to-day operations and their harassment campaigns, including but not
limited to the actual identities of those involved. Note: Personal
identity information for any person will NOT be made available for
public consumption by any Corrupted-Justice.com member without the
express permission of the owner of that identity, except in the
case of passing that information to the legal community.

No where does Corrupted-Justice’s Mission Statements include:

A place where Viamund can come and promote his book and views on
pedophilia.

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They did ban me from their forums:

“You have been banned from Corrupted-Justice.com. There is little doubt that you are completely aware of why, but on the off chance that you are not, please feel free to contact admin@corrupted-justice.com by e-mail.”

8 comments on "Corrupted-justice: They are not our allies"

  • As you know, I read this post before it was published. What it reveals is that an entity such as CJ are two-faced; they are willing to attack the repressor until the repressed turns up. Not only this, but they will flirt with the repressed, until that love-in is made public.

    It is most unfortunate that we are in a situation where an administrative team is expected to act with vitriol and rejection, even necessary opposition to any POV. It is most unfortunate that they could not have conducted themselves in a more nuanced way, and agreed with your right to express yourself, whilst not agreeing with your expression (as is the honest truth).

    But it is also important that there does exist groups who can oppose the tactics of an organisation without opposing the motives. After all, PJ don’t only have bad motives, but the most indiscriminate and dangerous way of pursuing them.

  • Viamund – after I read your post, I look at your book on Amazon and see the many negative reviews – which clearly are posted by the Antis who have not read your book. These reviews are contrary to Amazon review guidelines, and therefore I have them removed. The Antis they can shout their hatred in some other place. It is not a big thing, but maybe a minor victory I am thinking.

  • Upon my word Liberty, I am in a state of disbelief that you actually got those comments removed. I didn’t think it was possible. I will tell you thank-you. I am at your service.

  • You know what. Now that a few hate comments have been removed from a webpage dedicated to a small book of poems… I REALLY fear for the kids.

    Third world malnutrition is SO overrated.

  • I had a few links to “Corrupted Justice” on one of my blogs, some time ago…primarily because they were relevant in exposing “Perverted Justice”, for what it is.

    I never interacted with “Corrupted Justice”, however. I never really got the sense that they would be all that welcoming, if they knew who I was…but, I find their site to be of use, no less.

    It says a lot, when even people like that, are going after PJ. Personally, given the circumstances, I’ve kept a wide distance between myself and CJ.

    I think, no matter how unfortunate it may be, what many CJ people think of us…They are a much more powerful force, to help take down PJ, if they do not have any perceived scandals…like “being in league with pedophiles”.

    They may be a bunch of jerks, I don’t know…but, I’ve never stood in the way, when one group of jerks started tearing into another group of jerks, who have been bullying others.

    Tactically, it is very good to have “normal” people who hate us, fighting against PJ, as well.

  • I am thinking that perhaps they have set an automated reply to e-mails with encouragement to join their forums. They sent me an encouragement to join, so I did. Well I wouldn’t advise joining it.

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