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[[Image:Riegel.JPG|frame|Author, David L. Riegel]]__NOTOC__'''David Lee Riegel''' (12 Dec 1931 - 12 Apr 2019) was an independent writer and researcher on the topic of sexually expressed boy/older male relationships, and an advocate of what he describes as ''Responsible Boylove''. Riegel is known for a small number of self-published books, journal articles and the mild controversy surrounding them. Due to his behavior on Bulletin Boards, Riegel achieved what can be described as inverse cult status<ref>https://boychat.org/messages/1578994.htm</ref>.

==History==

In 1999, after already having retired twice from dissimilar fields, Riegel - as a member of the online [[Boylove]] community, was recruited by a McGraw Hill textbook editor to submit an essay on the [[Rind et al|Rind controversy]]. This was accepted by the editor but withheld from publication by the management until 2005. In 2000, he published the first of his four paperback books.<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20180507211449/http://www.shfri.net/shfp/shfp.cgi SHFP (Archive)]</ref> In cooperation with several others on the now-defunct SafeHaven forum, Riegel developed a Philosophy of Responsible Boylove,<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20190821133553/http://www.shfri.net/philos.html SHFP Ethos (Archive)]</ref> which is hosted on SafeHaven Foundation.

BoyLove Media Watch and Review was a little-used but influential journalistic watchdog site operated by Riegel and another volunteer. BLMW encouraged its readers to politely lobby journalists after they published articles on boys' sexual relationships with older males. As more and more news sites began to host comment sections, the project achieved genuine wide scale successes, after numerous readers were encouraged to make contributions. However, an onslaught of less sympathetic comments disturbed Riegel so much that he published disclaimers on BLMW (linking to it from articles on which he commented), and soon pulled the project altogether. Soon after, Riegel planned to publish a Journal of the Sexuality of Boys, but this attracted little interest, and was pulled like its predecessor.

One of Riegel's last websites was Peer Support Exchange<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20181125124654/http://www.shfri.net/peers/ SHFP Peers (Archive)]</ref>, which seeked to connect "Boy-Attracted Pedosexual Males" (BAPMs) with one another. The site has been intensively promoted by Riegel on the [[BoyChat]] bulletin board.

==Controversy==

Whilst the nature of Riegel's work is widely understood to be polemical and advocative in nature, Riegel himself has been uncomfortable with this perception. A small number of mainstream and academic articles by parties as disparate as [[Stephanie Dallam|Dallam]] and [[Richard Yuill|Yuill]], have described Riegel as an advocate of pederasty. Whilst he was happy to describe himself as an advocate, Riegel disputed the validity of terms such as [[pedophilia]] and [[pederasty]], often perceiving criticisms of his theories as ''ad hominem'' attacks.

===Ideas===

A small number of academics have criticized Riegel from a non-victimological perspective, most notably [[Richard Yuill]]. Queer and [[Michel Foucault|Foucaldian]] critical analysts such as Yuill describe Riegel's philosophy as overly rigid and dogmatic. They allege that Riegel is proposing as many "oughts" for men and boys, as there are currently "ought nots", that he has little-to-no understanding of [[Queer Theory|queer theory]], and that he neglects the rights of women and girls.

In addition to this, Riegel made clearly misogynistic and ageist comments on webforums:

<blockquote>
''As I have pointed out before, as a woman you have no experience at being a boy, and consequently are incapable of empathizing with, or understanding, a boy's sexual interests. I would further note that as a woman you have no legitimate roll to play in discussing the issues of boyhood sexuality.''

'''([[BoyLover.net]])'''
</blockquote>

<blockquote>
''The notion of "youth rights" has been around for many decades, and in many forms, e.g., schools where children were supposed to make decisions about social order, subjects to be studied, etc. These schools and similar movements have all failed, and "youth rights" have never materialized, because in reality, children do not have the experience to make informed decisions on matters which are not intrinsic to them.''

''Sexual interest and desire, on the other hand, and especially boyhood sexuality, which tends to be more overt and active than that of girls, are, in fact, intrinsic qualities and behaviors. As such, they do not need to be encouraged or taught to boys, indeed, the principal thrust of our sexually misopedic society is to suppress these intrinsic qualities and behaviors.''

'''([[BoyLover.net]])'''
</blockquote>

===Behaviour on discussion boards===

Riegel frequently used [[boylove]]-related internet message boards to advance his ideas. Here, he seeked to publicize his books and websites, using multiple nicknames such as ''Researcher'', ''Bridgebuilder'' and ''Passer By'' on [[BoyChat]]. Riegel's intensive strategy was often criticized, most notably when he used one identity to support the other. Rather comically, and much to the bemusement of onlookers, Riegel was allowed to get away with responding to his own comments due to a loophole in the BoyChat rules - namely that for others to "link identities" is expressly prohibited for security reasons.

Opponents also allege that he had a tendency to insult others when his opinions and purported credentials were challenged.

===Seniority===

Among the more spurious attacks to have been directed at Riegel, are those relating to his age. Riegel took up writing on his chosen topic after many decades of his life had elapsed. This perhaps helps demonstrate how hard it is for younger authors with fresh postgraduate degrees to write on related topics, when the risk remains that they may be discredited or even raided by police.

==See also==

*[[Bruce Rind]] - Similar coverage.

==References==

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==External links, including publications==

*[https://boychat.org/messages/1578994.htm A long list of Riegel's battles on BoyChat] - Starts from a satirical premise.
*[https://heretictoc.com/2019/07/07/are-we-making-useful-idiots-of-ourselves/ Dave Riegel remembered] - By [[Thomas O'Carroll]]
*[https://www.boywiki.org/en/David_Riegel BoyWiki Article]
*[http://williamapercy.com/wiki/index.php?title=Category:Riegel,_David William Percy]
*[https://web.archive.org/web/20121206044544/http://www.shfri.net/index1.html?dummy=Click+Here+to+Enter SafeHaven] - The very last archive.
*[https://www.researchgate.net/scientific-contributions/David-L-Riegel-2041492560 List of Riegel's scientific publications]

Books and articles:
*[https://www.brongersma.info/images/2005_Riegel_Could.pdf Could they ALL have been WRONG?] David Riegel, 2005 - a scientific excerpt collection on pederasty. [https://web.archive.org/web/20220310083857/https://www.brongersma.info/images/2005_Riegel_Could.pdf Web Archive].
*[https://www.brongersma.info/images/2000_Riegel_Understanding.pdf Understanding Loved Boys and Boylovers] [https://web.archive.org/web/20210122201746/https://www.brongersma.info/images/2000_Riegel_Understanding.pdf (Archive)] David Riegel, 2000 (a primer on BoyLovers and their friends.)
*[https://web.archive.org/web/20181203044350/http://www.shfri.net/shfp/beyond/beyond8x11.pdf Beyond Hysteria: Boy Erotica on the Internet] David Riegel, 2004 - a book on effects of boy erotica in pedosexual men and men involved in the production of erotica as boys (see also Riegel, D. L. (2004). [https://sci-hub.st/10.1023/B:ASEB.0000029071.89455.53 Letter to the Editor: Effects on Boy-Attracted Pedosexual Males of Viewing Boy Erotica.] ''Archives of Sexual Behavior'', 33(4), 321–323.)
*[https://web.archive.org/web/20170705130128/http://www.shfri.net/shfp/wwna.pdf We were NOT abused!] David Riegel, 2000 - a book on "abuse" myth and harm produced by reaction of society.
*  Riegel, David (2009) [https://web.archive.org/web/20130420132331/http://snifferdogonline.com/reports/Child%20Abuse,%20Sexuality%20and%20Violence/Boyhood%20Sexual%20Experiences%20with%20Older%20Males%20-%20Using%20the%20Internet%20for%20Behavioural%20Research.pdf Boyhood Sexual Experiences with Older Males: Using the Internet for Behavioral Research.]  ''Archives of sexual behavior'' DOI  - 10.1007/s10508-009-9500-z
* Riegel, D. L. (2011). [https://web.archive.org/web/20130425190309/http://snifferdogonline.com/reports/Child%20Abuse,%20Sexuality%20and%20Violence/The%20Role%20of%20Androphilia%20in%20the%20Psychosexual%20Development%20of%20Boys.pdf The role of androphilia in the psychosexual development of boys.] ''International Journal of Sexual Health'', 23(1), 2–13. doi:10.1080/19317611.2010.509696



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