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__NOTOC__Within marginalized groups such as [[Minor Attracted Person|MAP]]s and Zoophiles, '''sexual sadism controversies''' have been seen in online discourse. | |||
==In-group/Out-group== | |||
The | The main theme of such controversies is the inclusion or exclusion of sadistic individuals (the out-group) from the larger in-group. Similar dynamics have been seen with biastophiles (individuals who are aroused by the idea of rape) and necrophiles. Historically, BDSM culture and trans people have also struggled to integrate within the broader LGB (TQ+) community. | ||
==Motivations== | |||
Much of the controversy relates to realpolitik, i.e. public image, assimilation, optics. There is a widespread idea that identities intersecting sadism with already marginalized traits, might pose the potential of social harm via callout, name-and-shame campaigns and cringe/lolcow fora used for doxing of paraphilies and trans people. | |||
''Pedosadism'' (a term once used in a hostile manner by [[Anonymous]]) is a classic example of such an intersectional identity, although very few sadistic MAPs identify as pedosadists. Some MAPs worry that identities such as "pedosadist" are being introduced by infiltrators, in order to sow disharmony in the larger group. | |||
Another question invariably raised by sexual sadism controversies, is whether a sadistic interest in, for example, animals or children is a form of zoo- or [[pedophilia]]. Or whether these traits automatically qualify a person as part of the Zoo or MAP communities. It is often pointed out that sadism is not inherently sexual, and many sadists would not wish to be described as Zoophiles or Pedophiles. | Another question invariably raised by sexual sadism controversies, is whether a sadistic interest in, for example, animals or children is a form of zoo- or [[pedophilia]]. Or whether these traits automatically qualify a person as part of the Zoo or MAP communities. It is often pointed out that sadism is not inherently sexual, and many sadists would not wish to be described as Zoophiles or Pedophiles. | ||
Within the MAP community, [[pro-c]] groups, while generally inclusive of sadistic individuals, tend to be open to the idea of intersectional harm spanning from the linkage of sexual sadism with e.g. attraction to minors. Since this would appear to support the pattern already familiar in popular stereotyping of MAPs as violent sexual offenders, pro-c groups of MAPs and Zoophiles tend to be skeptical towards pedosadism and zoosadism, at least as identity. Anti-c groups tend to be more divided, with the older groups wanting nothing to do with sadistic individuals (or to subject them to stringent behavioural controls), and the younger groups such as [[NNIA]] offering a safe space to self-identified anti-c pedosadists and zoosadists. | ==Acts versus attractions== | ||
The sexual sadism debate is further complicated by the fact that sadism typically refers to pleasure derived from the ''act'' of causing harm, rather than simply the ''idea''. Terms such as "Zoosadophilia" (as opposed to the highly loaded [[Wikipedia:Zoosadism|Zoosadism]]) have emerged in online communities, although some self-identified Zoosadists still refuse to adopt this terminology. | |||
==Pro and anti-c takes== | |||
Within the MAP community, [[pro-c]] groups, while generally inclusive of sadistic individuals, tend to be open to the idea of intersectional harm spanning from the linkage of sexual sadism with e.g. attraction to minors. Since this would appear to support the pattern already familiar in popular stereotyping of MAPs as violent sexual offenders, pro-c groups of MAPs and Zoophiles tend to be skeptical towards pedosadism and zoosadism, at least as identity. | |||
Anti-c groups tend to be more divided, with the older groups wanting nothing to do with sadistic individuals (or to subject them to stringent behavioural controls), and the younger groups such as [[NNIA]] offering a safe space to self-identified anti-c pedosadists and zoosadists. | |||
==See also== | ==See also== | ||
*[[Paraphilia]] | *[[Paraphilia]] | ||
*[[Attraction ≠ Action]] | |||
*[[Validity Policing]] | |||
*[[Big 3 (Paraphilia)]] | *[[Big 3 (Paraphilia)]] | ||
*[[Assimilationism]] | *[[Assimilationism]] | ||
===Essay series=== | |||
*[[Essay:MAPs, Paraphiles and Fascists]] - A cautious approach to mobilising social adjacencies. | *[[Essay:MAPs, Paraphiles and Fascists]] - A cautious approach to mobilising social adjacencies. | ||
*[[Essay:MAPs, Zoophiles and Transids]] - Same author makes the case for an alliance. | *[[Essay:MAPs, Zoophiles and Transids]] - Same author makes the case for an alliance. | ||
*[https://wierstamann.net/2025/06/17/zoosadism-what-it-is-and-what-it-isnt/ Zoosadism, what it is and isn't] | |||
==External links== | ==External links== | ||
Latest revision as of 22:13, 2 August 2025
Within marginalized groups such as MAPs and Zoophiles, sexual sadism controversies have been seen in online discourse.
In-group/Out-group
The main theme of such controversies is the inclusion or exclusion of sadistic individuals (the out-group) from the larger in-group. Similar dynamics have been seen with biastophiles (individuals who are aroused by the idea of rape) and necrophiles. Historically, BDSM culture and trans people have also struggled to integrate within the broader LGB (TQ+) community.
Motivations
Much of the controversy relates to realpolitik, i.e. public image, assimilation, optics. There is a widespread idea that identities intersecting sadism with already marginalized traits, might pose the potential of social harm via callout, name-and-shame campaigns and cringe/lolcow fora used for doxing of paraphilies and trans people.
Pedosadism (a term once used in a hostile manner by Anonymous) is a classic example of such an intersectional identity, although very few sadistic MAPs identify as pedosadists. Some MAPs worry that identities such as "pedosadist" are being introduced by infiltrators, in order to sow disharmony in the larger group.
Another question invariably raised by sexual sadism controversies, is whether a sadistic interest in, for example, animals or children is a form of zoo- or pedophilia. Or whether these traits automatically qualify a person as part of the Zoo or MAP communities. It is often pointed out that sadism is not inherently sexual, and many sadists would not wish to be described as Zoophiles or Pedophiles.
Acts versus attractions
The sexual sadism debate is further complicated by the fact that sadism typically refers to pleasure derived from the act of causing harm, rather than simply the idea. Terms such as "Zoosadophilia" (as opposed to the highly loaded Zoosadism) have emerged in online communities, although some self-identified Zoosadists still refuse to adopt this terminology.
Pro and anti-c takes
Within the MAP community, pro-c groups, while generally inclusive of sadistic individuals, tend to be open to the idea of intersectional harm spanning from the linkage of sexual sadism with e.g. attraction to minors. Since this would appear to support the pattern already familiar in popular stereotyping of MAPs as violent sexual offenders, pro-c groups of MAPs and Zoophiles tend to be skeptical towards pedosadism and zoosadism, at least as identity.
Anti-c groups tend to be more divided, with the older groups wanting nothing to do with sadistic individuals (or to subject them to stringent behavioural controls), and the younger groups such as NNIA offering a safe space to self-identified anti-c pedosadists and zoosadists.
See also
Essay series
- Essay:MAPs, Paraphiles and Fascists - A cautious approach to mobilising social adjacencies.
- Essay:MAPs, Zoophiles and Transids - Same author makes the case for an alliance.
- Zoosadism, what it is and isn't