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::I also like the 'pro-reform' term, but I'm not sure about 'anti-reform'. We need something that emphasises the point that these people are not engaging in sexual activity with children. I also doubt that the NOMAP people would accept 'anti-reform', for this very reason. [[User:Time Has Passed|Time Has Passed]] ([[User talk:Time Has Passed|talk]]) 02:05, 5 December 2021 (UTC) | ::I also like the 'pro-reform' term, but I'm not sure about 'anti-reform'. We need something that emphasises the point that these people are not engaging in sexual activity with children. I also doubt that the NOMAP people would accept 'anti-reform', for this very reason. [[User:Time Has Passed|Time Has Passed]] ([[User talk:Time Has Passed|talk]]) 02:05, 5 December 2021 (UTC) | ||
:::I've kind of settled on describing myself as pro-choice or pro-reform and just calling the NOMAPS "anti contact" to appease them. Of course, the problem with this is, it implies others are "pro contact", as in seeking to offend. NOMAP would suggest that simply stating ones moral opposition to offending is equivalent to not offending - when it seems to have no relation as per Bailey (2016). This area of terminology is a mess and needs a solution that both sides are willing to adopt. Realistically, they will probably go on using their terms, and pro-choice will just adapt theirs. --[[User:The Admins|The Admins]] ([[User talk:The Admins|talk]]) 07:53, 5 December 2021 (UTC) | |||
Latest revision as of 07:53, 5 December 2021
Regarding:
- Consequentialist anti-c (c-anti-c). In this instance, celibacy is called for in the present climate. Further, such an individual might maintain that:
- They are not presently interested in age of consent reform. Supporters of very limited reforms sometimes also self-describe as anti-contact.
- They oppose age of consent reform."
Would consequentialist anti-contact MAPs really argue the latter two positions? If the argument is that adult-child sexual activity is harmful due to society's reactions to it, surely reforming age of consent laws and battling the stigma would be a positive? --Time Has Passed (talk) 03:29, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- I presonally prefer anti reform vs pro choice/pro reform, but I think we have to reflect and develop on the present terminology. "Pro-contact" seems to have evolved into a way for NOMAPs to take out a loan on the public image of other MAPs. I know 15 years ago, it was used in a naive way, but that seems to have been weaponized.
- I will modify it slightly, see if it works. --The Admins (talk) 19:12, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- I also like the 'pro-reform' term, but I'm not sure about 'anti-reform'. We need something that emphasises the point that these people are not engaging in sexual activity with children. I also doubt that the NOMAP people would accept 'anti-reform', for this very reason. Time Has Passed (talk) 02:05, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
- I've kind of settled on describing myself as pro-choice or pro-reform and just calling the NOMAPS "anti contact" to appease them. Of course, the problem with this is, it implies others are "pro contact", as in seeking to offend. NOMAP would suggest that simply stating ones moral opposition to offending is equivalent to not offending - when it seems to have no relation as per Bailey (2016). This area of terminology is a mess and needs a solution that both sides are willing to adopt. Realistically, they will probably go on using their terms, and pro-choice will just adapt theirs. --The Admins (talk) 07:53, 5 December 2021 (UTC)