Talk:Memes and Graphics: Difference between revisions

Latest revision as of 22:07, 29 August 2022

How to save alternative versions

Saving alternative versions of a meme can save space on the index. Do it if the meme is simply an alterantive to another, or very close in the theme it covers.

1. Save the primary version of the meme on your computer. Then upload it as an alternative version of the other meme, from the other meme's filepage. Do this any number of times with the alternative versions. You can also "revert"/choose what the primary version will be if it is not your preferred one.

2. To alert viewers that the file is part of a series - put this at the end of the description in the memes list gallery: ([[:File:Fileexample.ext|series inside]])

New home for experimental material

I will link this from the page as well. Post new material there when the editorial limits below are maxxed out, or move it there when it obviously needs some more development. For example, if a theme is too common on the main page, move surplus information to this page.

Stonetoss

Someone should study the mechanisms of the cartoonist Stonetoss and apply them to our subject - with or without a cartoon --JohnHolt (talk) 19:05, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Sketch

Explaining "bad touch"

Teacher: Sooo... when you trip over and graze your knee, that's bad touch

Boy: yes

Teacher: When the intruder hits you in the head with a baseball bat, that's bad touch

Boy: I know

Teacher: Good. So when Uncle Chester touches you in your swimsuit area, that's ALSO bad touch

Boy: Why, it felt good last time he did it?

Teacher (with shrinking/disappearing text a la leftist meme):

You are unable to give informed consent due to an inherent power imbalance owing to your developmental deficiencies in relation to this individual. This makes the interaction not only morally wrong, but exploitative and in addition to that, an abuse of trust because established social boundaries have been contravened. Further, this action is imcopatible with various codependencies and attachment norms between the two individuals and may only produce long term traumas, thus being perceived as innocuous at the time by the victim. --JohnHolt (talk) 23:38, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

Sketch 2

A man is on a beach, giving a massage to a young teenage girl. Fat Karen is in the background.

Masseur: Oh, wait a minute. [Fat Karen is walking over]

Fat Karen: EXCUSE ME, but can you stop what you are doing please.

Masseur: Wh....

Fat Karen: You are triggering my personal memories of childhood sexual abuse, and I find it deeply traumatic!

Masseur: I'm sorry to hear that, but she is a high school track athlete and has a competition tomorrow. This is a physiotherapy treatment.

Fat Karen: BUT I AM A VICTIM OF SEXUAL ABUSE.

Masseur: But this is not sexual abuse, we are minding our own business.

Fat Karen (with disappearing leftist meme speech bubble):

I WILL NOT ACCEPT that you are not sexually abusing this little girl this is VILE and DEGENERATE sexual molestation going on in plain sight and you do not understand the deeply traumatic nature of these acts and should be ashame...

[the girl is pictured running off into the distance without a bikini top, as two men in Fat Karen's group turn their heads appetitively]

Sketch 3

A MAP speaker and a LGBT are pictured in different panels speaking before their audience.

LGBT: "Welcome, fellow Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Non Binary, Two-spirit...

MAP: "Greetings, fellow MAPs, Yesmaps and NOMAPS...

Shared speech bubble: "Today is a special day to celebrate our history; our people. Fine people like Oscar Wilde, Alan Turing and Harry Hay... OUR people."

Sketch 4

To attack validity sadists - see LGBT Validity Policing.

Scott De Orio's definition of Queer is posed to a young gay man in 1970 and he enthusiastically agrees: "freedom for all!" (use a cat or dog reaction if you can't get a human one).

The same definition is suggested to the same gay man in 2000, and his reaction is like "um... non normative? illegal? No way, we're not with *them*!"

Pedo jokes

A good list, see here [1] --The Admins (talk) 22:07, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

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-__NOTOC__==Editorial limits==
+__NOTOC__==How to save alternative versions==
-Due to the growing size of this page, there will be the following editorial limits in place for the first three categories:
+Saving alternative versions of a meme can save space on the index. Do it if the meme is simply an alterantive to another, or very close in the theme it covers.
-'''Trad Memes:''' 60 files (51 present!)
+. Save the primary version of the meme on your computer. Then upload it as an alternative version of the other meme, from the other meme's filepage. Do this any number of times with the alternative versions. You can also "revert"/choose what the primary version will be if it is not your preferred one.
-'''Troll type Memes:''' 12 files (5)
-'''Infographics/Unironic Memes:''' 40 files (19)
-This means that when the limits are reached, each editor should remove some of their own material to make way for new material. Alternatively, they can work on/improve some of their own material and just replace. This does not place limits on presenting completed material here or on any such personal project page, where various merits and possibility of inclusion in this project may be discussed. We can review these limits after a year if we think there is some new material out there that merits inclusion for example. --[[User:The Admins|The Admins]] ([[User talk:The Admins|talk]]) 09:48, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
+. To alert viewers that the file is part of a series - put this at the end of the description in the memes list gallery: <nowiki>([[:File:Fileexample.ext|series inside]])</nowiki>
+==New home for [[Index of unused memes|experimental material]]==
+I will link [[Index of unused memes|this]] from the page as well. Post new material there when the editorial limits below are maxxed out, or move it there when it obviously needs some more development. For example, if a theme is too common on the main page, move surplus information to this page.
 ==Stonetoss==
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 ===Sketch 3===
-More simple, a gay pridegoblin with his dog/boy on a leash/or pair of furries. The dominant partner says "we oppose sexual relations between youth and adults, because the inherent power differential means they will always lead to harm!" --[[User:JohnHolt|JohnHolt]] ([[User talk:JohnHolt|talk]]) 20:15, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
+A MAP speaker and a LGBT are pictured in different panels speaking before their audience.
-===Purposeful Pedophiles vs Degen Pedo Hunters===
-There are plenty of photos of ugly/degenerate pedo hunters and well dressed/smart pedophiles. --[[User:The Admins|The Admins]] ([[User talk:The Admins|talk]]) 17:49, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
-==OK==
-So there is a lot of content now. Some of it has been successful in the Twitter campaign, and I will do more ordering to reflect that. It would be better at this point (re. common themes) to go through what content there is and look at ways of developing and improving it. What I am going to do is go over the page content with a stategic eye and remove some content, then create a gallery in here with pointers to how it could be improved.
-As for things such as testimony graphics and research/fact-led information, we can push on. I'll do an update soon. --[[User:The Admins|The Admins]] ([[User talk:The Admins|talk]]) 10:31, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
-A lot of this is unnecessary use of "child" where it could refer to a broader group (teens, minors, underage, youth, or kids - although that sounds like "child" to an American). Most Americans think of small children - prepubes when you say "child", so this is easily misunderstood. The material needs to be directed more towards the age groups documented in the accounts and testimonies section, and our research. Our own position on AoC is 12-16, see [[Ethos of Newgon|ethos]] so why push "child"? "Child" can be used in certain situations, such as referring to innocence or when dealing with mindfuck type scenarios such as the landmine meme I suspended below. Using "child" all the time is just counterproductive. More below...
-<gallery>
+LGBT: "Welcome, fellow Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Non Binary, Two-spirit...
-File:boynature.png|Good meme, but unnecessarry use of "child"
-File:BioExu2.png|Unnecessarry use of "child" in 1 instance. Should be "juvenile".
-File:MaritalRape.png|Just replace child with minor
-File:ModernWhiteMan.png|Just put "age gap", "youth" or "older-younger". Child is unnecessary.
-File:Kidsnt.png|This needs to be completely reworked I think, with reference to age of majority rather than "children" or "kids". It requires discussion.
-File:Sor12.png|Unnecessary reference to child
-File:Sor33.png|Unnecessary reference to child
-</gallery>
-===Trad memes===
+MAP: "Greetings, fellow MAPs, Yesmaps and NOMAPS...
-<gallery>
+'''Shared''' speech bubble: "Today is a special day to celebrate our history; our people. Fine people like Oscar Wilde, Alan Turing and Harry Hay... OUR people."
-File:LandMine.png|Right... my PS skills are crap, but you see what I mean now? Include teens with actual physical development and you *win the argument*. Original comment: Why focus on really small children when the point is won regardless? Also type of photography is semi-posed and questionable in some jurisdictions we serve, so would need changing.
-File:Sor4.png|Teen. It's also far more impactful to say "teen" or "teenage boy".
-File:Post.png|This is a more strategic use of small kids as it addresses hysteria over exposure of flesh rather than going on about them being able to consent etc. It's still in the article.
-File:randomphoto2.png|Seems to be two memes mixed together, not working
-File:dogchasing.png|Doesn't seem coherent - have to think to make sense of it - similar memes making clearer sense of same topic
-</gallery>
-===Discussion===
+===Sketch 4===
-Right, so now I've gone through the whole thing, we '''still''' have a section which is highly biased towards prepubescent children, so this needs addressing. Prepubescent children can be useful when attacking concepts such as innocence, moral hysteria and the trauma myth (in very limited and carefully controlled ways, such as "molesting a toddler's genitals when you clean them/change it's nappy is not traumatic"). However, nothing is to be gained by making unsourced statements/opinions in relation to very young children. No firsthand testimony? No expert opinion to verify consent/disprove trauma? No elongated and elaborate argument (scholarship level critical analysis)? If so, you are just going to lose by repeatedly mentioning prepubescent children as if proving they can consent is your hobbyhorse. Also, by repeating this kind of focus, we do the same kind of thing as the NAMBLA bulletin in the 80s, and just play into this idea of being a pedophile liberation organization. It's a lose-lose.
-===Content===
+To attack validity sadists - see [[LGBT Validity Policing]].
-So for the grooming vs reality meme, we could go with: (pic of an angry teenage boy + famous pic of Greta Thunberg at the UN) Top overlay: CSA Industry: These are both helpless little children who can be groomed into unwanted sex. Bottom overlay: Reality: Even a toddler or Greta Thunberg knows how to say "no".
+Scott De Orio's definition of ''Queer'' is posed to a young gay man in 1970 and he enthusiastically agrees: "freedom for all!" (use a cat or dog reaction if you can't get a human one).
-Another helpful use of small children: CSA Shrinks: This 2 year old boy was left completely unharmed by repeated nonconsensual genital/anal fondling by his parents in the bathtub. His 15 year old brother got a blowjob once from his hot teacher, leaving him "scarred for life": (symptom list scrolls off the edge of the screen).
+The same definition is suggested to the same gay man in 2000, and his reaction is like "um... non normative? illegal? No way, we're not with ''*them*!''"
-==Next few days ==
+==Pedo jokes==
-What I'm going to do is go through this (content kept on talk) and delete anything that's not worth having on the site - so please save anything you have not kept copies of. Then we should probably do a post on FST and BC, and ask for feedback, particularly re. quality, and whether there is anything unusual about the focus of the material. I am pretty sure some ideas work very well, but would want to seek feedback about others.
+A good list, see here [https://secure.boychat.org/messages/1596737.htm] --[[User:The Admins|The Admins]] ([[User talk:The Admins|talk]]) 22:07, 29 August 2022 (UTC)