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<font color="green">'''''Child sexual abuse is unique, in that it almost invariably leads to <u>lifelong</u> mental scarring. This [[intrinsic harm|harm is intrinsic]]. They/we are victims for life, and the burden they must carry in life is worse than death.'''''</font></blockquote>
<font color="green">'''''Child sexual abuse is unique, in that it almost invariably leads to <u>lifelong</u> mental scarring. This [[intrinsic harm|harm is intrinsic]]. They/we are victims for life.'''''</font></blockquote>


This is a generalization from what appear to be extraordinary (but highly visible) cases:
This is a generalization from what appear to be extraordinary (but highly visible) cases:
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*[[Research: Secondary Harm]]
*[[Research: Secondary Harm]]


In some cases, notably the unwanted and/or coerced/cajoled activities (but not always), the younger partner will go on to suffer in some way they believe is connected to the assault or voluntary sex. This is also more likely if a young person is coerced into something they are uncomfortable with, because of an adult's abusive authority - although this may also be the case between adults.  
In such extreme cases of sexual coercion, abuse of authority and/or social stigma, the victim will often be forced to connect the sex act retrospectively to the trauma or stigma reaction, regardless of whether or not they are really connected. This is harmful, since it represents a permanent internalization of trauma, based upon a social stigma the victim cannot control. It has permanent implications for a person's ability to experience sexual pleasure.


However, where this argument ultimately fails, is that trauma (and/or the perception of being a life-long victim) is not specific to sexuality, even if it does relate to the prevailing sexual attitudes, mores and power status of minors. Subsequent memories can be exacerbated by the long-lasting memory of an experience that an individual is repeatedly told to view as dirty, shameful and profound. Understandably, this can lead to mental disturbances and depression, as can the stigma of [[Masturbation|masturbation]], or even non-sexual events such as having been the ''sole survivor'' of a tragedy that took the lives of loved ones.  
Lifelong traumas, however, are not specific to sexuality, and have been seen in victims of war. It is offensive to suggest that once a child has been sexually abused, they would be better off dead, since this affirms the prevailing view of their sexual "purity" as a commodity to be controlled by adults and plundered by men.  


None of this implies that any form of ''willing'' physical contact/pleasure has a high innate capacity for harm, let alone life-long mental scarring. You could even say that what we are seeing is a [[Debate Guide: Social Constructionism|social construct]] of abuse trauma [[Self-fulfilling prophecy|fulfilling its own prophecy]] in the minds of victims, or at the very least exacerbating fundamentally harmful abuse.
==Abuse-trauma pipeline: Social construct?==


This is something that any good-meaning victim advocate should be minded to investigate the possibility of, since we know from studies that the '''[[Research: Secondary Harm|perception of ones own experiences]] as abusive or non-abusive is a major modifier of outcome'''. From this, we can conclude that changes in broader social perceptions and the promotion of youth agency over [[Debate Guide: Cyclical paternalism|traditional authority relationships]] will reduce the prevalence of negative outcomes.
The abuse-trauma pipeline is in fact appreciated by many theorists as a misogynistic (but increasingly, a sex-negative) [[Debate Guide: Social Constructionism|social construct]] that [[Self-fulfilling prophecy|fulfills its own prophecy]] in the minds of victims. At the very least, it exacerbates the harmful effects of abusive behavior. Mental disturbances and depression suffered by childhood sexual assault victims, and participants in voluntary minor-adult sex, are comparable to those of [[Masturbation|masturbation]], or even non-sexual events such as having been the ''sole survivor'' of a tragedy that took the lives of loved ones.
 
The idea that traumatic sexual experiences have [[scarred for life|lifelong consequences]], is also heavily embedded within prevailing sexual attitudes, morality and perceptions surrounding the reduced power status of minors. Sex is not inherently dirty, shameful and profound, and in the present day, it should be totally unacceptable to force that view on to young people.
 
===Our obligation to victims===
 
The possibility of iatrogenic or [[nocebogenic harm]], is something that any good-meaning victim advocate should be minded to investigate the possibility of, since we know from studies that the '''[[Research: Secondary Harm|perception of ones own experiences]] as abusive or non-abusive is a major modifier of outcome'''. From this, we can conclude that changes in broader social perceptions and the promotion of youth agency over [[Debate Guide: Cyclical paternalism|traditional authority relationships]] will reduce the prevalence of negative outcomes.


==Challenging social perceptions of your own lived experiences==
==Challenging social perceptions of your own lived experiences==


One way of overcoming bad memories may be to challenge the sex - negative foundations upon which the value judgments and feelings of shame are based. Your lived experiences are a passive vector of society's own guilt and shame; this is not a burden for you to carry. As any fair-minded therapist would tell you, carrying that burden would be doing yourself a disservice and potentially making positive relationships impossible for the rest of your life. Therapists who encourage clients to identify as perpetual victims (and therefore perpetual clients) are probably "on the grift"; there are numerous, [[Wikipedia:Satanic panic|more visible examples]] from history.
One way of overcoming bad memories may be to challenge the sex - negative foundations upon which the value judgments and feelings of shame are based.  
 
Our lived experiences are, as described above, often a way of coming to terms with society's own guilt and shame by internalizing it. Ultimately, social shame is not a burden for us to carry. As any fair-minded therapist would inform us, carrying that burden would be doing a disservice to oneself, and potentially making positive relationships impossible for the rest of our life.  
 
Therapists who encourage clients to identify as perpetual victims (and therefore perpetual clients) are probably "on the grift"; there are numerous, [[Wikipedia:Satanic panic|more visible examples]] from history.


=="Adaptive" argument==
=="Adaptive" argument==
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<blockquote><font color="green">'''''Trauma is an <u>evolutionary adaptation</u> against underage sex.'''''</font></blockquote>
<blockquote><font color="green">'''''Trauma is an <u>evolutionary adaptation</u> against underage sex.'''''</font></blockquote>


The [[Research: Evolutionary Perspectives on Intergenerational Sexuality|evolutionary argument]] appears to be a rather thin rationalization of modern day [[Wikipedia:Antisexualism|antisexualism]].
The [[Research: Evolutionary Perspectives on Intergenerational Sexuality|evolutionary argument]] appears to be a rather thin rationalization of modern day [[Wikipedia:Antisexualism|antisexualism]]. To humor that argument, we could ask why this trauma would ''delay'' its onset by 5-10 or more years, as famously claimed by victimologists. After all, when a dog bites you, or you stub your toe, the pain response (and disincentive) is immediate.  


To humor that argument, we could ask why this trauma would ''delay'' its onset by 5-10 or more years, as famously claimed by victimologists every time they are stumped by harmless voluntary sex between minors and adults. When a dog bites you, or you hit yourself on a rock, the pain response (and disincentive) is immediate. However, when we look at the data [[Research: Prevalence of Harm and Negative Outcomes|concerning CSA]], it appears that whenever researchers push the recall widow out yet further, there is no evidence of delayed trauma. And by the time we had pushed that window all the way out to the end of life, there was still no evidence!<ref>[https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35232293/ Wang Y, Chen X, Zhou K, Zhang H. A Meta-Analysis of the Effects of Childhood Maltreatment on Elderly Depression. Trauma Violence Abuse. 2022 Mar 1:15248380211073838. doi: 10.1177/15248380211073838.]</ref>
When we look at the overall data [[Research: Prevalence of Harm and Negative Outcomes|concerning CSA]], however, there is ultimately no evidence of this delayed trauma. And by the time we have pushed the abuse-recall window all the way out to the end of life, there is predictably no evidence of a connection to trauma.<ref>[https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35232293/ Wang Y, Chen X, Zhou K, Zhang H. A Meta-Analysis of the Effects of Childhood Maltreatment on Elderly Depression. Trauma Violence Abuse. 2022 Mar 1:15248380211073838. doi: 10.1177/15248380211073838.]</ref> This is not to deny that isolated individuals may perceive their experiences of trauma in such a way, but it is simply not supported by cold, hard averages, and metrics of psychological dysfunction.


We should also question how this "disincentive response" appears to have evolved in the relatively short period (2 centuries, and a few generations) in which anti-sex attitudes concerning youth have become widespread in some societies. If this is in fact a longer-term genetic trend, how did all the [[Research: Intergenerational Relationships in History|great civilizations]] routinely practicing/institutionalizing these acts even survive to prosper and defeat other civilizations?
We should also question how this "disincentive response" appears to have "evolved" in the relatively short period (2 centuries, and a few generations) in which anti-sex attitudes concerning youth have become widespread in some societies. If this is in fact a longer-term genetic trend, how did all the [[Research: Intergenerational Relationships in History|great civilizations]] routinely practicing/institutionalizing these acts even survive to prosper and defeat other civilizations?


==Excerpt Graphic Library==
==Excerpt Graphic Library==

Latest revision as of 13:08, 21 October 2025

2022 debate rebuttal to harm argument

Child sexual abuse is unique, in that it almost invariably leads to lifelong mental scarring. This harm is intrinsic. They/we are victims for life, and the burden they must carry in life is worse than death.

This is a generalization from what appear to be extraordinary (but highly visible) cases:

In such extreme cases of sexual coercion, abuse of authority and/or social stigma, the victim will often be forced to connect the sex act retrospectively to the trauma or stigma reaction, regardless of whether or not they are really connected. This is harmful, since it represents a permanent internalization of trauma, based upon a social stigma the victim cannot control. It has permanent implications for a person's ability to experience sexual pleasure.

Lifelong traumas, however, are not specific to sexuality, and have been seen in victims of war. It is offensive to suggest that once a child has been sexually abused, they would be better off dead, since this affirms the prevailing view of their sexual "purity" as a commodity to be controlled by adults and plundered by men.

Abuse-trauma pipeline: Social construct?

The abuse-trauma pipeline is in fact appreciated by many theorists as a misogynistic (but increasingly, a sex-negative) social construct that fulfills its own prophecy in the minds of victims. At the very least, it exacerbates the harmful effects of abusive behavior. Mental disturbances and depression suffered by childhood sexual assault victims, and participants in voluntary minor-adult sex, are comparable to those of masturbation, or even non-sexual events such as having been the sole survivor of a tragedy that took the lives of loved ones.

The idea that traumatic sexual experiences have lifelong consequences, is also heavily embedded within prevailing sexual attitudes, morality and perceptions surrounding the reduced power status of minors. Sex is not inherently dirty, shameful and profound, and in the present day, it should be totally unacceptable to force that view on to young people.

Our obligation to victims

The possibility of iatrogenic or nocebogenic harm, is something that any good-meaning victim advocate should be minded to investigate the possibility of, since we know from studies that the perception of ones own experiences as abusive or non-abusive is a major modifier of outcome. From this, we can conclude that changes in broader social perceptions and the promotion of youth agency over traditional authority relationships will reduce the prevalence of negative outcomes.

Challenging social perceptions of your own lived experiences

One way of overcoming bad memories may be to challenge the sex - negative foundations upon which the value judgments and feelings of shame are based.

Our lived experiences are, as described above, often a way of coming to terms with society's own guilt and shame by internalizing it. Ultimately, social shame is not a burden for us to carry. As any fair-minded therapist would inform us, carrying that burden would be doing a disservice to oneself, and potentially making positive relationships impossible for the rest of our life.

Therapists who encourage clients to identify as perpetual victims (and therefore perpetual clients) are probably "on the grift"; there are numerous, more visible examples from history.

"Adaptive" argument

Trauma is an evolutionary adaptation against underage sex.

The evolutionary argument appears to be a rather thin rationalization of modern day antisexualism. To humor that argument, we could ask why this trauma would delay its onset by 5-10 or more years, as famously claimed by victimologists. After all, when a dog bites you, or you stub your toe, the pain response (and disincentive) is immediate.

When we look at the overall data concerning CSA, however, there is ultimately no evidence of this delayed trauma. And by the time we have pushed the abuse-recall window all the way out to the end of life, there is predictably no evidence of a connection to trauma.[1] This is not to deny that isolated individuals may perceive their experiences of trauma in such a way, but it is simply not supported by cold, hard averages, and metrics of psychological dysfunction.

We should also question how this "disincentive response" appears to have "evolved" in the relatively short period (2 centuries, and a few generations) in which anti-sex attitudes concerning youth have become widespread in some societies. If this is in fact a longer-term genetic trend, how did all the great civilizations routinely practicing/institutionalizing these acts even survive to prosper and defeat other civilizations?

Excerpt Graphic Library

The EGL on Harm has some relevant information. Just right click/save and reproduce by uploading in short-form media to bypass character limits.

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