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[Like many areas of our guide, this argument is based on testimony from anonymous informants - both offenders and young adults who pursued sexual relationships as minors. It is always better to speak from (some kind of) experience]
__NOTOC__The process of '''discovery, disclosure''' and the '''social inquisition/criminal investigation''' itself can significantly alter the thinking of younger participants. Naturally, it is these cases (where privacy has been breached, or a complaint made) that are most often heard about in the courts and in the media, thus influencing public opinion disproportionately.


It would appear that the process of reporting socially unacceptable sexual activities can lead to sharp reversals in the thinking of participants. Unsurprisingly, it is these cases that we most often hear about! To gain a better understanding of this, we should investigate the possible status of various actors and acts before and after reporting:
==Narrative==


'''Before reporting'''
Based on testimony from anonymous informants (both [[Accounts and Testimonies|ex-offenders and young adults who pursued sexual relationships as minors]]), we can analyze the evolving status of younger participants before, during and after the process discovery, disclosure, or prosecution.


But for the rare case of rape, the youngster must have rationalised being with the adult. To him or her, the relationship, be it for friendship, money or both, is a "normal" and acceptable part of their life that does not interfere with or have a bearing on others. There is a degree of socially imposed secrecy, and although in some cases the activities themselves might not be enjoyable for the youth, there is no trauma and no reason to run away or report the adult. During this time, the parents - who do not know about the relationship, and other authority figures are not a threat (with violence, ostracism and possible reporting being risks to the youth). Complicit youngsters are not a threat either, being in a very similar situation to any one of their age peers.
For convenience, we exclude the case of longer-term relations between parents and children, which have their own complex dynamic:


'''During reporting'''
===Before discovery/disclosure===


The smallest of cues may lead a youth to confess to their parents. Very often, this is something such as being seen at the adult partner's house, or being "grassed up" by a malicious age peer. It is worth noting that various factors may drive the suspicion onwards from that point. Parents may be violent, homophobic or both, for example. The violence or suspicions of just one parent may have a bearing on many other youth who were also alleged to have been involved, thus eliciting a domino effect in the peer group.
But for the [[Research|rare cases]] of rape, emotional abuse or coercion, the minor must have rationalized their acquaintance with the adult somehow. To them, the relationship (be it financial, or purely motivated by love or friendship) is an acceptable or at least tolerable part of their life. Within the modern Western context (and despite the absence of trauma at that point) there is invariably a degree of secrecy and risk attached. Those risks relate to possible reporting, social ostracism, harm to the older partner and parental violence. Although the relationship is furtive, the effects of social shame are perhaps less tangible at this point, and the young person has considerable power to [[Power of attraction|bargain with the adult]], or [[Power of consequences|complain]].


'''After reporting'''
===During reporting===


The status of acts and actors alters for the worse. Disempowered youth are very likely to take the path of least resistance, and this will typically involve cooperating with the authorities and assuming the victim mentality. Now that the relationship is out in the open, the adult partner goes from being an acceptable part of their life to a bogeyman; a perpetrator with whom no one would want to associate. The youth will probably be barred from co-operating with the accused during the month to a year or so of time in between the charge and trial.
The smallest of cues may lead a youth to confess to their parents. This can be something as small as as being seen visiting the adult partner's house, or being "grassed up" or outed by a malicious age-peer. It is worth noting that various factors may ramp up levels of suspicion:


In the face of rampant antisexualism, homophobia and victim-labelling, it is unlikely that a youth would defend the adult partner. This would not be socially acceptable, especially with age peers and parents - some of them threatening violence against chosen forms of unconventional sexuality. Youth may even allege rape, lest they be seen as willing participants in condemned sex acts. Sometimes, the younger partner will even attest to illegal sexual relations with little knowledge of the implications of what they are saying, only to go back on these allegations after incriminating the adult and possibly other youth involved.  
*Parents with violent, sociopathic tendencies, mental illness and/or drug problems.
*Homophobia, transphobia, anti-queer prejudice among family, peers, educators.
*[[Ageism|Ageist]] middle-class parents who participate in/consume too much social media and see their children as personal property and a social liability that must be controlled and negated at any expense.
*Personal history with age peers, and changing loyalties.
*Financial relations, or accuser incentives.
*There are doubtless effects on any other youth who were also alleged to have been involved, with disclosure leading to a possible domino effect and "trawling" by law enforcement and legal professionals.
 
Younger partners may be acutely aware of these risk-factors after partial discovery, and thus, alter their behavior radically.
 
===After reporting===
 
The status of acts and actors alters for the worse:
 
*Disempowered youth are very likely to take the path of least resistance, and this will typically involve cooperating with the authorities and assuming the "victim mentality" as a defense mechanism.
*Now that the relationship is out in the open, the adult partner goes from being an acceptable part of their life to "bad news"; a bogeyman.
*The youth will probably be barred from co-operating with the accused during the month to a year or longer between the initial charge and trial, and will in that time have began to regret the fact any such thing ever took place.
 
In the face of social [[erotophobia|antisexualism]], homophobia and victim-labeling, it is unlikely that a youth of average intellect would defend their adult partner. As [[anti]]s like to say about the relationships themselves, the minor will "have no choice" in the matter, and adults will "decide for them" what is required to get the ''desired outcome''.
 
It may even be the case that a young person feels forced into alleging rape, lest they be seen as willing participants. Sometimes, the younger partner will even attest to illegal sexual relations with little knowledge of the implications, only to go back on these allegations after incriminating the adult and possibly other youth involved. At this point, it is often too late to recant.


The process of extracting testimony and assimilating younger partners into the prosecution effort could even be described in terms of predator and prey, with the younger, disempowered party being in the most vulnerable position. In extreme cases, we hear of stories such as police officers threatening to "out" boys as gay or [[Billy Byars, Jr.|hanging them over the side of a cliff]] to extract confessions. This somewhat contradicts the "child saver" stereotype.
The process of extracting testimony and assimilating younger partners into the prosecution effort could even be described in terms of predator and prey, with the younger, disempowered party being in the most vulnerable position. In extreme cases, we hear of stories such as police officers threatening to "out" boys as gay or [[Billy Byars, Jr.|hanging them over the side of a cliff]] to extract confessions. This somewhat contradicts the "child saver" stereotype.


Long term effects are equally ominous. Not only will the young adult have to come to terms with the "evil and depraved" nature of what they took part in, their unchallengeable status as "victims" or "survivors" and the consequences for others around them. On occasions they will be subjected to the worst iatrogenic stimuli imaginable. A good website for researching this iatrogenesis, including hypnosis, fabrication of charges and blatant cognitive restructuring of "victims" who show no typical symptoms, is the [http://ipt-forensics.com Institute for Psychological Therapies].
Long term effects are equally ominous. Not only will the young adult have to come to terms with the "evil and depraved" nature of what they took part in, their permanent status as "victims" or "survivors" and the consequences for others around them. Often [[Iatrogenesis|therapy]] will be forced upon them. One journal compiled by a firm of defense lawyers in the 1990s documented hypnosis, fabrication of charges and blatant cognitive restructuring of "victims" who showed no typical symptoms until railroaded into therapy.<ref>[http://ipt-forensics.com Institute for Psychological Therapies]</ref>
 
==See also==
<div style="column-count:3;-moz-column-count:3;-webkit-column-count:3">
===What awaits the participants===
 
*[[Debate Guide: Child abuse industry]]
*[[Debate Guide: Blame game]]
*[[Debate Guide: The professional victim]]
 
===Flawed perceptions and theory===
 
*[[Debate Guide: Parenthood and pedophilia]]
*[[Debate Guide: Power disparity]]
*[[Debate Guide: Profound and lifelong scarring]]


===About secondary harms===
*[[Research: Secondary Harm]]
*[[Nocebogenic harm]]
*[[Wikipedia:Iatrogenesis|Iatrogenesis]]
</div>
[[Category:Debate]][[Category:Debating Points: Sociological]][[Category:Debating Points: Adults]][[Category:Debating Points: Child/Minor]][[Category:Debating Points: Adult-Minor sex]]
[[Category:Debate]][[Category:Debating Points: Sociological]][[Category:Debating Points: Adults]][[Category:Debating Points: Child/Minor]][[Category:Debating Points: Adult-Minor sex]]
==References==


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Revision as of 19:05, 7 April 2024

The process of discovery, disclosure and the social inquisition/criminal investigation itself can significantly alter the thinking of younger participants. Naturally, it is these cases (where privacy has been breached, or a complaint made) that are most often heard about in the courts and in the media, thus influencing public opinion disproportionately.

Narrative

Based on testimony from anonymous informants (both ex-offenders and young adults who pursued sexual relationships as minors), we can analyze the evolving status of younger participants before, during and after the process discovery, disclosure, or prosecution.

For convenience, we exclude the case of longer-term relations between parents and children, which have their own complex dynamic:

Before discovery/disclosure

But for the rare cases of rape, emotional abuse or coercion, the minor must have rationalized their acquaintance with the adult somehow. To them, the relationship (be it financial, or purely motivated by love or friendship) is an acceptable or at least tolerable part of their life. Within the modern Western context (and despite the absence of trauma at that point) there is invariably a degree of secrecy and risk attached. Those risks relate to possible reporting, social ostracism, harm to the older partner and parental violence. Although the relationship is furtive, the effects of social shame are perhaps less tangible at this point, and the young person has considerable power to bargain with the adult, or complain.

During reporting

The smallest of cues may lead a youth to confess to their parents. This can be something as small as as being seen visiting the adult partner's house, or being "grassed up" or outed by a malicious age-peer. It is worth noting that various factors may ramp up levels of suspicion:

  • Parents with violent, sociopathic tendencies, mental illness and/or drug problems.
  • Homophobia, transphobia, anti-queer prejudice among family, peers, educators.
  • Ageist middle-class parents who participate in/consume too much social media and see their children as personal property and a social liability that must be controlled and negated at any expense.
  • Personal history with age peers, and changing loyalties.
  • Financial relations, or accuser incentives.
  • There are doubtless effects on any other youth who were also alleged to have been involved, with disclosure leading to a possible domino effect and "trawling" by law enforcement and legal professionals.

Younger partners may be acutely aware of these risk-factors after partial discovery, and thus, alter their behavior radically.

After reporting

The status of acts and actors alters for the worse:

  • Disempowered youth are very likely to take the path of least resistance, and this will typically involve cooperating with the authorities and assuming the "victim mentality" as a defense mechanism.
  • Now that the relationship is out in the open, the adult partner goes from being an acceptable part of their life to "bad news"; a bogeyman.
  • The youth will probably be barred from co-operating with the accused during the month to a year or longer between the initial charge and trial, and will in that time have began to regret the fact any such thing ever took place.

In the face of social antisexualism, homophobia and victim-labeling, it is unlikely that a youth of average intellect would defend their adult partner. As antis like to say about the relationships themselves, the minor will "have no choice" in the matter, and adults will "decide for them" what is required to get the desired outcome.

It may even be the case that a young person feels forced into alleging rape, lest they be seen as willing participants. Sometimes, the younger partner will even attest to illegal sexual relations with little knowledge of the implications, only to go back on these allegations after incriminating the adult and possibly other youth involved. At this point, it is often too late to recant.

The process of extracting testimony and assimilating younger partners into the prosecution effort could even be described in terms of predator and prey, with the younger, disempowered party being in the most vulnerable position. In extreme cases, we hear of stories such as police officers threatening to "out" boys as gay or hanging them over the side of a cliff to extract confessions. This somewhat contradicts the "child saver" stereotype.

Long term effects are equally ominous. Not only will the young adult have to come to terms with the "evil and depraved" nature of what they took part in, their permanent status as "victims" or "survivors" and the consequences for others around them. Often therapy will be forced upon them. One journal compiled by a firm of defense lawyers in the 1990s documented hypnosis, fabrication of charges and blatant cognitive restructuring of "victims" who showed no typical symptoms until railroaded into therapy.[1]

See also

What awaits the participants

Flawed perceptions and theory

About secondary harms

References