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Help:FAQ
Welcome to NewgonWiki's FAQ!
Frequently asked questions about NewgonWiki, Newgon Organization and the Yesmap website. For an FAQ of general relevance to Minor Attracted People, please head over to Mu. For MAPs who may be questioning, or considering becoming a member of the community, please visit the MAP Starting Guide. |
Q: What is Newgon's public platform?
A: We don't have one.
Newgon exists to publish and promote rare literature and compile information resources.
We have an ethos, with a policy platform that determines who volunteers for us, what we decide to publish, and some of our activities besides that. So it's a platform. And it's public. But it's still not really our public platform:
No one is employing any particular informational strategy here, according to some predetermined agenda set in "Newgon HQ". If you are reading articles on Newgon, attempting to discern an agenda or platform, this is where you are almost certainly going wrong. The platform, to the extent it exists, is inward-facing and organizational in its nature and function, like the rites of passage associated with Freemasonry, but perhaps less obscure.
The best widely-accepted description of Newgon is as follows; we are an "headless resistance" initiative. We do the basics for you, producing an information-scheme composed of a broad and sometimes contradicting base of useful knowledge, on a narrow subject. You decide what parts to employ, and how.
We are independently funded by two individuals, occasionally (and very rarely) anonymous donors, and do not receive money from any charity or foundation besides those individuals. We have no support from Russia, nor Israel, George Soros, Bill Gates, the CIA or any other agency, government or philanthropist we have been wrongly linked with. Our life might be somewhat easier if we had an institutional backer, but this lack of affiliation can also be seen as a kind of strength, especially for an organisation that has lasted almost two decades.
Q: Is Newgon "pro-pedophile"?
A: Newgon is supportive of all marginalized sexual and gender minorities.
A better question here, is what does "pro-pedophile" even mean in this post-truth world where literally everything is on the table as part of a values equation?
The insult is often hurled by clout-chasing influencers, many of them conspiracy theorists who are on to a grift, but it actually means very little when we really drill down. These influencers might be referring to LGBTQ+ literature in schools and libraries, prevention-focussed research, or even nonjudgmental therapies for the group sometimes referred to as "MAPs". They might on the other hand, be describing a female teacher who pursued a relationship with a fifteen year old male student!
Fundamentally, there exists a group of people within our society (a small few percent according to the APA) who have a sexual preference for prepubertal children, and only these individuals are the true pedophiles. It is an attraction, not a behavior, nor an intention.
True pedophiles are often the ones we ignore when we talk brazenly of "pedophilia" and perpetuate its stigma. But they are the unwitting victims of an unimaginable social stigma, just like those who are slandered as pedophiles and pedophile-defenders. For the true pedophile, however, the burden can be a lifelong secret, and acutely internalized.
We are certainly pro-pedophile in the sense that if a pedophile has been unfairly maligned, or another person unfairly maligned as a pedophile, we will instinctively rush to the defense of the "pedophile". Of this, you can be sure.
Q: Is Newgon part of the LGBTQ+ community?
A: Some of us are LGBTQ+, but since 1994, Newgon-type affiliates have been barred from LGBTQ+ organizations.
One major motivating factor behind Newgon's publishing is the 2020s "groomer-libel" and "drag panic" attacks against LGBTQ+ people, and an urgent need to get to the bottom of this thorny issue. Newgon's editor, Jim Burton is himself a gay man, and not a self-identifying MAP like some of our editors. Our social history lead is a bisexual man, and not a MAP.
Our approach to this topic is different to that of mainstream gay publications, however. Instead of ostracizing MAPs, understanding and compassion is instead called for, and we aim to center the MAP experience.
A detailed historical backdrop of the LGBT-MAP alliance, its breakdown and the renewed 2020s alt-right groomer libel can be found at the following articles:
Q: Is Newgon "woke"?
A: The term has become almost meaningless over the last decade or so. If we are "woke", it's almost certain we are not "woke" in the way people claim we are.
Originating in the African-American culture, the term "woke" was co-opted mainly by white liberals, and then used derogatorily towards all liberals by American conservatives.
Nowadays, the term refers to a person who is hyperaware of social justice issues, status-based injustice (esp. racial) and applies intersectionalism and novel use of pronouns and other identifiers to their pursuit of affirmative justice.
But this is where it gets tricky. While we do acknowledge the importance of intersectionality, an acutely marginalized MAP or pedophile's experience of demonization cannot be put on a par with an urban trans person or paraphile's need to tread carefully around conservative friends, relatives or colleagues at thanksgiving. One represents a considerable portion of society sworn to secrecy for their entire life, the other can happily appear dolled up in kink gear at pride without repercussions.
Newgon might be "woke" in the sense that is is awake, and attuned to ongoing injustices. But Newgon isn't going to provide conservatives with their "Kodak moment" of a "perpetually-offended pedophile" attempting to language-police others and weaponize their personal grievances. Such "wokescold" MAPs do exist, and have predictably garnered attention from parts of the online influencer sphere, but they only represent a tiny fraction of the wider group.
Polls of users on boards such as Mu and B4U-ACT repeatedly evidence a general dissatisfaction with identity based politics. A number of conservative attempts to wokejacket MAPs and allies have also been based on personal appearance and trans-identity, aspects of the person not necessarily related to wokeness, or authoritarian behaviour among the "woke".
If you really need to tar us as "woke", this probably says more about your need to score points, and lack of political literacy, than it says about us.
Q: How did Newgon end up on Wikipedia's "pedophile hitlist"?
A: Journalists defamed us.
A hit list might be a somewhat dramatic way of describing Wikipedia's article, but given the popularity of Wikipedia with the three letter agencies, and the number of administrators who are also members of the intelligence community, we were nonplussed to say the least when we first appeared on the listicle.
Wikipedia operates a controversial policy entitled "Reliable Source", which is in effect one of the biggest scams operating on the internet. In other words, if a journalist from a "reliable" newspaper or site (read: absence of any public controversy as to their journalistic standards) concludes something in an opinion piece, even if it is evidently false, it is in fact "reality" in the eyes of Wikipedia. This has often led to incidents of "citogenesis", where unsound claims first shared on Wikipedia have been repeated uncritically by journalists, who are then cited by Wikipedia in a self-reinforcing circle of modernistic stupidity.
To make things worse, the same "pedophile" article that relies on the claims of opinion journalists, was also the source of hoax claims such as the existence of a Yahweh child sex organisation and an Indian counterpart to NAMBLA, unwittingly promoted by Wikipedia for half a decade. Ironically, the very first news article mentioning Newgon, was in fact describing a fictional "pedophile organization" from Law and Order: SVU. According to the producer, it was based on Newgon. But the portrayal was inaccurate, as it had to serve broader perceptions of "pedophiles" as gutter trash, and religious devotees to a denialistic "criminal ideology".
Q: Does Newgon "circulate accounts justifying child molestation"?
A: No.
This slander originated from the above Wikipedia article that included Newgon as one of its subjects and cited only opinion journalists.
At some point in time (and not presently), Newgon has been active in promoting Accounts and Testimonies on social media. It is purely the (premature, fanciful) opinion of some journalists, that these accounts justify "child molestation".
Maybe after "finding" our written histories, these "journalists" accidentally became aroused, then did a double-take, got angry about it and rage-quit. Subsequently, they might have then fabricated an excuse for their anger big enough to paper over the rock of their arousal, hence the glib idea that what they had just read "justified molestation".
If this is indeed the case, for such a person we truly have no words. Perhaps a degree of sympathy is called for.
But to address the claim factually, most of the younger subjects in our lived experiences section are adolescents and not children. Our own ethos does not include prepubertal children in its non-binding and detailed proposal for age of consent reform.
Q: So, Newgon is "pro-contact"?
A: We try to avoid the term, as it's crass.
The term "pro-contact" is of... "questionable" origins to put it mildly. It's also inherently problematic, at least when properly thought over, since the clear implication is that the "pro-contact" individual is an offender, or supports/condones offending.
In fact, very few of us had even heard of this term "pro-contact" before members of a vociferously "anti-contact" group called Virtuous Pedophiles started insisting on using it against less "virtuous" MAPs as a slur.[1] It was then picked up on by Tumblr users in the mid-10s, and used in "call-outs", online doxing and harassment dramas targeting MAPs and other individuals who dared believe paraphilias or other socially "inappropriate" desires could be acted upon ethically. Members of Newgon then researched the term and found some evidence of usage prior to Virped, but before 2012, it was far less loaded in its meaning.
Newgon's editors and readers tend to lean pro-choice (some would say "pro-consent") when it comes to questions of young people and their rights in an ideal society, including consent to sexual/physical relations. So using the abbreviation "pro-c", it is true that Newgon and some of the associated individuals are widely linked with that kind of philosophy, although not exclusionary towards tolerant anti-c individuals.
We don't support individuals in an offending lifestyle, seek to justify offending, nor do we automatically condemn individuals who have previously offended. Offences run the gamut of consensual crime at the one end, thru the socially inappropriate, all the way to the downright heinous. The reaction of society, i.e. a de facto life sentence for images, is often cruel, barbaric and grossly disproportionate.
Q: Does Newgon support the New Right, and the idea of an ethnostate?
A: No.
Newgon is a MAP-and-ally organisation, so why would we even be involved with these ideas? Our administrators and members are avowedly anti-fascist, because we are pro-sexual-minority. To us, this is a logically consistent position; gravity dictates that we would be anti-racist.
Since 2021, administrators and some users of the NNIA fediverse instance have maliciously circulated these falsehoods, and numerous others based on the views and behaviour of a few, mostly banned users of a chat group, PCMA. This, as unbelievable as it sounds, was in response to the attempt of a Newgon editor to question the origins of, and redesign the MAP Flag, literally an online graphic, leading to a years-long campaign of libel.
While PCMA made use of Newgon's Yesmap server, this has not been the case for a very long time, since the turn of 2023/24. Discussion of white nationalism on the present server (unaffiliated with Newgon) is often confrontative, but rarely advocative, and prospective users are asked to screen themselves for cultural sensitivities. Antisemitic expressions are also more common within this politically agnostic group, which has often sought to disrupt and divide alt-right spaces by sending pro-MAP impersonators.
It is worth mentioning that the primary individual responsible for the penning of the libel campaign above ("Iris"), attempted to blame the editor of Newgon for a malicious communication sent hardcopy to the MAP influencer, Lilitha, whom he has no personal contact with whatsoever. This was after a year of Iris having been assumed the perpetrator themselves, previously known for doxing incidents. They would go on to share PCMA screen caps, against the wishes of three individuals, one suicidal and another in legal difficulties.
Q: Does Newgon oppose self-identification, e.g. excluding those with a trans-identity?
A: No.
Founding members of Newgon have a long history of defending trans people, and their right to exist publicly, for example, Jim Burton in a series of posts stretching back many years on BoyChat, a MAP website with sometimes hostile commentary on this subject.
This was another myth, deliberately propagated by NNIA administrators in response to the controversy above. It was immediately debunked, yet continues to be circulated with malice.
Among Newgon members, there may exist differing views on transmedicalist discourse, and the role of self-identification within the idea of transness, as this is a highly complicated and contested subject.
Q: But you said earlier the situation of MAPs cannot be compared to groups like trans people and paraphiles. Are you against co-operating with these groups?
A: Again, no.
The case of Zoophiles is perhaps more comparable to MAPs, but both they and the broader base of paraphiles remain potential allies.
It should also be noted that it can be very easy to ignore the fact some MAPs are also LGBT people, and many have paraphilias. Similarly a portion of both MAPs and LGBT people are conservatives, Christians, or subscribe to patriotic or religious ideologies.
The ultimate test of an alliance's maturity is its ability to operate across, and in spite of these perceived boundaries. There will always exist those who want to draw boundaries and gatekeep communities, whatever evidence we show them to the contrary. They will insist that groups have "nothing in common", and therefore shouldn't work together. Such reactionaries shouldn't be beyond reproach in shared spaces, but they too deserve a place to exist without being constantly scolded as awful human beings.
Q: Is Newgon against Youth Rights?
A: No.
Without youth voice, Youth Rights will not be a realistic possibility. It is hard to imagine a provocative argument such as age of consent reform succeeding without the voice of youth, and harder to imagine such an initiative succeeding in the present climate, without a broader base of action on youth rights in general.