Historical examples of LGBT-MAP unity

The modern LGBT (or 2SLGBTQQIA+) lobby is famously insistent and defensive in its distancing attempts towards Minor Attracted People. Young LGBT people are routinely lied to by older community leaders about the history of their movement in embracing pederasts/pedophiles, providing shelter to "loved boys" and agitating for the removal of Age of Consent laws - for example, at the 1985 ILGA conference. They are also taught to ignore the pederastic roots of their movement, the importance of numerous subversive pederasts, and presence of teenage hookers at Stonewall to name but a few inconvenient truths.

To MAPs, and others using MAP awareness to their advantage in a debate:

We find it amazing that LGBT people deny these facts, since they are a matter of historical record. In essence, all you need to do to win your argument is regurgitate what we already know from the history books:

A timeline

• The very beginnings of the gay movement were literally steeped in pederastic imagery, since it represented most of homosexuality's recorded history. Der Eigene (1896-1932), the very first Gay Journal focused on pederastic writings and photography, and "advocated classical pederasty as a cure for the moral flabbiness of German youth". Scans are available via Wikipedia.

"The issue of love between men and boys has intersected the gay movement since the late nineteenth century, with the rise of the first gay rights movement in Germany. [...] A few (Hans Blüher, for example, famous for his book on the Wandervogel movement) believed that pederasty and male bonding provided a basis for a stronger nation and state - a view that, in a perverted form, found a distorted expression in the militarism of the Hitler Youth."

• Homosexuality and pederasty remained illegal and strictly taboo until the liberation movements of the 60s. With effectively no age of consent for homosexuality, the movement was age-queered as inter-generational sex was no more illegal than same age homosexuality. Boy prostitution was a common form of homosexuality in the intervening period, with many such examples documented. Some of our man-boy accounts and testimonies refer to this period in time.
• Stonewall 1969 - Research reveals the presence of underage rent boys who were the reason for the raid and an ever-present on the gay scene. Feds were trying to protect their wall st cronies from the mob, because they were getting caught having sex with boys and extorted (expand section with sources).
• In 1974, the present gay umbrella group ILGA (the IGA at the time) is set up with openly pro-pedophile Ian Dunn as a founding member. This is the same year that he helped set up the Paedophile Information Exchange.
• At its 1985 conference in Toronto ILGA voted for members to lobby their government to abolish the age of consent law in its position on "Age of Consent/Paedophilia/Children's Rights". As NAMBLA's Bill Andriette recalls:

"But the IGA nearly passed a resolution that would have sounded like music to any NAMBLA's ears. As first conceived by the IGA youth section, the resolution called for the abolition of age-of-consent statutes. But under feminist pressure that was changed to a call for the equalization of ages of consent for gay and straight sex, and the eventual abolition of such statutes when young people were deemed sufficiently protected from abuse. NAMBLA's was the lone dissenting vote, but even in its compromised state the resolution is supportable."

ILGA appear to function to this day, as @ILGAWORLD on social media. In 1994, only 9 years after supporting the abolition of ages of consent, they were embroiled in a public controversy regarding their consultative status with the UN. Inauthentic assimilationists won that battle in an about-turn 214-30 vote, and ILGA ejected the "pedophile organizations" NAMBLA, Project Truth/Free Will, and Martijn, the first of which was a founder member. On the hypocrisy, NAMBLA pointed out:

"We've been continuously active in ILGA longer than any other US organization. NAMBLA delegates to ILGA helped write ILGA's constitution, its official positions on the sexual rights of youth, and its stands against sexual coercion and corporal punishment. [...] Already, several ILGA activists and member organizations have condemned the secretariats' actions and reaffirmed their support for the participation in ILGA of man/boy lovers. The national German gay coalition Bundesverband Homosexualitat has declared that it is "astonished and embarrassed" at the secretariats' actions. "We are convinced that any attempt to expel NAMBLA and others from ILGA will be rejected by the vast majority of ILGA members," writes BVH executive committee member Wolfram Setz. Another German group, Verein for Sexuelle Gleichberechtigung adds, "The fight for... fundamental human right[s] must not be relinquished or reduced because of the political pressure from any government. Where would we end up if we made concessions in this respect? NAMBLA's objectives are as far we know absolutely in agreement with... the UN declarations of human rights and children's rights.""

• ILGA, who would ironically then take over a decade to achieve UN consultative status, have since released a series of highly misleading statements such as:

"ILGA does not advocate – and never has advocated – paedophilia [...] The ILGA conference (the highest decision making authority) has passed a resolution categorically rejecting any attempt to promote or legalize paedophilia."

ILGA have thus in effect confirmed that their "highest decision making authority" previously voted for the abolition of the age of consent in a vote on "pedophilia".

• So, it's 2014, and enter once again Brussels academic and researcher David Paternotte to clear up what was really going on within ILGA prior to the 1990s assimilationist purge:

"The documents of the 1980 Barcelona conference, where pedophilia was thoroughly discussed in two workshops (the women's caucus and a specific one on the topic), reveal that, despite the cautiousness and the already emerging dissent, positions were primarily liberationist. The defence of pedophilia was presented as an issue of solidarity between oppressed sexual minorities and an endorsement of young people's right to sexual autonomy. If the women's caucus raised the issues of power imbalance in sexual relationships, of patriarchy and of institutional violence against women and children, it refused a systematic association between pedophilia and gender violence, stating that mutual relationships are possible between adults and children. Besides, female activists emphasised the existence of 'a link between the repression of (paedo)sexuality and the appearance of repressive sexuality (rape and sexual assaults). [...] A discussion paper prepared by the COC on request of the 1980 Barcelona conference and discussed at the 1981 Torre Pelice conference, which relied on an earlier decision by the COC annual congress (Sandfort, 1987b), confirmed this stance. It urged homosexuals to show their solidarity with pedophiles, particularly because both groups suffer from normative compulsory heterosexuality, and maintains that "a successful homo-emancipation should include pedo-emancipation"."

Supportive and ambiguous gay icons

• Oscar Wilde - Jailed for sex with boys.
• Harry Hay - Radical Faerie, pederast and founding member of the modern gay movement.
• Allen Ginsberg - Famous, much beloved poet and pederast.
• Peter Tatchell - His positions have at times been very supportive.
• The example of Destroyer Magazine brings us up to date.

Speaking from experience

Gay celebrities such as Stephen Fry and Elton John recall stories of early encounters or yearning in youth - the former showing a depth of knowledge on the subject, and the latter wishing he had been "molested" just to get some experience. Many such examples exist.

• Tom Driberg - Gay Activist Politician.
• Guy Hocquenghem - Founder of Queer Theory.
• John Mitzel - Gay Activist.
• William Percy - Gay Historian.
• Ivo van Hove - Arts Figure.
• Beth Kelly - Academic.
• Scott O'Hara - Porn Actor.

LGBT Hypocrisy

• "One obvious contradiction in the assimilationist position is that if homosexual identity is inborn, as they say, then why do they oppose freedom of sexual expression for minors? Assimilationists argue that sexual identity is fixed by age six, but they deny young people the right to enjoy sexual pleasure with the person of their own choice." - David Thorstad

Examples of tolerance outside the LGBT community

Even NARTH-accredited therapists have taken positions on pederasty/pedophilia far more liberal than the modern LGBT lobby:

• "Michael Wertheimer is the son of the late Max Wertheimer, one of the founders of the Gestalt school of psychology. He is a Harvard-educated experimental psychologist, a retired full professor at the University of Colorado, and the author or editor of approximately forty psychology books, as well as several hundred articles. He specializes in the history of psychology. [...] Dr. Wertheimer is in sympathy with NARTH, in that he strongly supports the right to sexual-reorientation treatment. However he holds a another, postmodern theoretical position that is representative of many psychologists today: that concepts of psychological health and disorder are largely socially constructed, rather than objectively true or false. Even pedophilia is not, he believes, necessarily a disorder. [...] "I know of no convincing evidence that even pedophilia is harmful to the boy."