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:''"Sick pedophiles chose to be the way they are."''
[[File:Pexels-david-henry-9124344.jpg|thumb|right|Blaming "[[Degeneracy|degenerates]]" for their own existence has been a common strategy for zealots throughout history. While perpetuating hatred, this also makes space for a myth of redemption]]
<blockquote><font color="green">'''''Pedophilia is so evil, pedophiles must have <u>chosen to be that way</u>. They embraced evil, and now they are coming for our children!'''''</font></blockquote>


Pedophilia is an "incurable" [[Research: Pedophilia as a sexual/erotic orientation|sexual orientation]] just like any other. Present classifications can do nothing to alter this timeless fact. See the research topic, [[A "cure" for pedophilia?]].
The critic above supposedly embraced normality, so we must ask when they ''chose'' to be a [[teleiophilia|teleio]]. This, after all, would make a lot more sense than choosing to be a pedophile, as the latter is violently demonized throughout most of the developed world.


This argument also relies on faulty thinking on the issue of free will. [http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=SthbQdrxeLw Here] is a rather eccentric teenage boy saying the right things about free will.
[[Pedophilia]] (''not'' sexual offending) is an [[Research: A "cure" for pedophilia?|immutable]] [[Research: Pedophilia as a sexual/erotic orientation|pattern of attraction]] just like any other, regardless of how much our moral intuitions beg us to see it as a bad choice. Attempts to cure pedophilia have already failed, just like earlier attempts to eliminate homosexuality. Attraction to children is a [[Debate Guide: Pedophilia is unnatural|natural]] and [[Debate Guide: Evolutionary logic|adaptive]] human trait, regardless of how much it is loathed in modern western societies.


The comments of Fred Berlin, a man who has for many years attempted to reform pedophiles, are quite telling:
The argument presented here relies on the assertion that "deviant" sexuality is uniquely subject to "free will" - an idea that, if fully endorsed, represents a kind of metaphysical or religious belief. Regardless, no empirical data supports the "choice" paradigm, not even the more liberal concept of a curable "disorder", as can be seen in the links above. The comments of Fred Berlin, a man who has for many years attempted to reform pedophiles, are quite telling:


:"It may be no easier for a person with pedophilia to change his or her sexual orientation than it is for a homosexual or heterosexual individual to do so." [http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/content/full/157/5/838]
<blockquote>''It may be no easier for a person with pedophilia to change his or her sexual orientation than it is for a homosexual or heterosexual individual to do so.''<ref>[[Fred Berlin|Berlin, Fred S.]] (2000). "[http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/content/full/157/5/838 Treatments to Change Sexual Orientation]," ''American Journal of Psychiatry'', 157, p. 838.</ref></blockquote>
 
There remains a wider debate about what part environment plays in the development of attractions. Should increasing importance be given to social and environmental influences outside the subject's control, this would only extend the case for granting compassion to people with an attraction to minors.
 
==See also==
 
*[[Debate Guide: Pedophilia is unnatural]]
*[[Debate Guide: Religious arguments]]
 
==References==
 
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Latest revision as of 11:17, 9 September 2024

Blaming "degenerates" for their own existence has been a common strategy for zealots throughout history. While perpetuating hatred, this also makes space for a myth of redemption

Pedophilia is so evil, pedophiles must have chosen to be that way. They embraced evil, and now they are coming for our children!

The critic above supposedly embraced normality, so we must ask when they chose to be a teleio. This, after all, would make a lot more sense than choosing to be a pedophile, as the latter is violently demonized throughout most of the developed world.

Pedophilia (not sexual offending) is an immutable pattern of attraction just like any other, regardless of how much our moral intuitions beg us to see it as a bad choice. Attempts to cure pedophilia have already failed, just like earlier attempts to eliminate homosexuality. Attraction to children is a natural and adaptive human trait, regardless of how much it is loathed in modern western societies.

The argument presented here relies on the assertion that "deviant" sexuality is uniquely subject to "free will" - an idea that, if fully endorsed, represents a kind of metaphysical or religious belief. Regardless, no empirical data supports the "choice" paradigm, not even the more liberal concept of a curable "disorder", as can be seen in the links above. The comments of Fred Berlin, a man who has for many years attempted to reform pedophiles, are quite telling:

It may be no easier for a person with pedophilia to change his or her sexual orientation than it is for a homosexual or heterosexual individual to do so.[1]

There remains a wider debate about what part environment plays in the development of attractions. Should increasing importance be given to social and environmental influences outside the subject's control, this would only extend the case for granting compassion to people with an attraction to minors.

See also

References

  1. Berlin, Fred S. (2000). "Treatments to Change Sexual Orientation," American Journal of Psychiatry, 157, p. 838.