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<font color="green">'''''We are only talking about "MAP Rights" because this was all an attempt by queer-loving [[degeneracy|DEGENERATE]] liberals in the DEMONICRAT Party to NORMALIZE their perversion!'''''</font | <font color="green">'''''We are only talking about "MAP Rights" because this was all an attempt by queer-loving [[degeneracy|DEGENERATE]] liberals in the DEMONICRAT Party to NORMALIZE their perversion!'''''</font> | ||
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It is a common myth that liberals in the US Democratic Party started the modern [[MAP Movement]] in an attempt to "legitimize pedophilia", and often one that is used to attack LGBT people. | It is a common myth that liberals in the US Democratic Party started the modern [[MAP Movement]] in an attempt to "legitimize pedophilia", and often one that is used to attack LGBT people by crude association. | ||
Yet there is not a single document in existence that demonstrates a Democratic Party official using the term "MAP" or its extension, in an approving context. LGBTQ+ media has explicitly rejected use of the [[MAP Flag]], even going so far as to circulate myths about the intentions of MAPs, or call the whole thing a hoax.<ref>Many examples of this exist in the gay media: [https://www.thepinknews.com/2025/08/26/minor-attracted-person-lgbtq-explainer/], [https://hornet.com/stories/minor-attracted-persons-flag-hoax/], [https://web.archive.org/web/20190321133619/https:/www.gaystarnews.com/article/no-this-isnt-a-real-pride-flag-it-represents-pedophiles/#gs.k4gift], [https://www.thegayuk.com/paedophiles-have-created-their-own-pride-flag/], [https://web.archive.org/web/20220916162653/https://attitude.co.uk/article/paedophiles-want-to-be-accepted-by-the-lgbt-community-claiming-they-are-minorities/18461/]. See also the Snopes etc "Fact Checks" gone awry in [[MAP Flag]].</ref> Should MAP Rights become part of some broader left-wing or radical agenda, this will be a future development, likely in defiance to right-wing conspiracy theorists who would claim that "normalizing pedophilia" is the ultimate sign of "civilizational collapse". | Yet there is not a single document in existence that demonstrates a Democratic Party official using the term "MAP" or its extension, in an approving context.<ref><small>Karen Berg is often cited as the exception. In its full context, this was not an endorsement, and she was attributing the term as opposed to utilizing it.</small></ref> LGBTQ+ media has explicitly rejected use of the [[MAP Flag]], even going so far as to circulate myths about the intentions of MAPs, or call the whole thing a hoax.<ref>Many examples of this exist in the gay media: [https://www.thepinknews.com/2025/08/26/minor-attracted-person-lgbtq-explainer/], [https://hornet.com/stories/minor-attracted-persons-flag-hoax/], [https://web.archive.org/web/20190321133619/https:/www.gaystarnews.com/article/no-this-isnt-a-real-pride-flag-it-represents-pedophiles/#gs.k4gift], [https://www.thegayuk.com/paedophiles-have-created-their-own-pride-flag/], [https://web.archive.org/web/20220916162653/https://attitude.co.uk/article/paedophiles-want-to-be-accepted-by-the-lgbt-community-claiming-they-are-minorities/18461/]. See also the Snopes etc "Fact Checks" gone awry in [[MAP Flag]].</ref> Should MAP Rights become part of some broader left-wing or radical agenda, this will be a [[Alternative Initialism|future development]], likely in defiance to right-wing conspiracy theorists who would claim that "normalizing pedophilia" is the ultimate sign of "civilizational collapse". | ||
There does exist historical evidence linking MAP and LGBT groups, but this association [[Historical examples of LGBT-MAP unity|ends in the 1990s]]. This is something that has been acknowledged by deep-dive academic researchers such as David Paternotte, i.e. historians who came to this subject from no particular bias or perspective. | There does exist historical evidence linking MAP and LGBT groups, but this association [[Historical examples of LGBT-MAP unity|ends in the 1990s]]. This is something that has been acknowledged by deep-dive academic researchers such as David Paternotte, i.e. historians who came to this subject from no particular bias or perspective. | ||
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MAP Identity groups have sought to snap back against the erasure of MAPs from the LGBTQ+ community, and queerness from MAPs. | MAP Identity groups have sought to snap back against the erasure of MAPs from the LGBTQ+ community, and queerness from MAPs. | ||
*[https://www.map-union.org/blog/are-maps-queer Are MAPs queer?] | *[https://www.map-union.org/blog/are-maps-queer Are MAPs queer?] - Mu (organization). | ||
==See also== | ==See also== | ||
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*[[Censorship]] | *[[Censorship]] | ||
*[[Moral panic]] | *[[Moral panic]] | ||
*[[Allyn Walker]] and [[Thomas Hubbard]] are two academics who were attacked by different types of leftist/liberal anti. | *[[Allyn Walker]] and [[Thomas Hubbard]] are two LGBTQ+ academics who were attacked by different types of leftist/liberal anti for work they had done on minor attraction. | ||
==References== | ==References== | ||
[[Category:Debate]][[Category:Debating Points: Minor-Attracted]][[Category:Debating Points: Sociological]] | [[Category:Debate]][[Category:Debating Points: Minor-Attracted]][[Category:Debating Points: Sociological]] | ||
Latest revision as of 13:26, 2 October 2025
We are only talking about "MAP Rights" because this was all an attempt by queer-loving DEGENERATE liberals in the DEMONICRAT Party to NORMALIZE their perversion!
It is a common myth that liberals in the US Democratic Party started the modern MAP Movement in an attempt to "legitimize pedophilia", and often one that is used to attack LGBT people by crude association.
Yet there is not a single document in existence that demonstrates a Democratic Party official using the term "MAP" or its extension, in an approving context.[1] LGBTQ+ media has explicitly rejected use of the MAP Flag, even going so far as to circulate myths about the intentions of MAPs, or call the whole thing a hoax.[2] Should MAP Rights become part of some broader left-wing or radical agenda, this will be a future development, likely in defiance to right-wing conspiracy theorists who would claim that "normalizing pedophilia" is the ultimate sign of "civilizational collapse".
There does exist historical evidence linking MAP and LGBT groups, but this association ends in the 1990s. This is something that has been acknowledged by deep-dive academic researchers such as David Paternotte, i.e. historians who came to this subject from no particular bias or perspective.
MAPs can be Queer, or a part of the LGBTQ+ community
Some MAPs are ultimately Queer identifying, Queer, or a part of LGBTQ+ communities, regardless of what "official" queers say about any flag they hypothetically might stand under. Hypothetically, we say, because LGBTQ+ MAPs must remain in the closet about their MAP Identity. Closeting was of course something that the gay community once agitated against, with their strategic outing campaigns (when it suited their political goals).
MAP Identity groups have sought to snap back against the erasure of MAPs from the LGBTQ+ community, and queerness from MAPs.
- Are MAPs queer? - Mu (organization).
See also
- Conspiratorialism - This argument is conspiracy-adjacent to put it lightly.
- Anti - As can be seen, many conspiracy theorists and vigilantes use child pornography or have offences for unlawful sex with a minor, demonstrating possible reaction formation.
There exist many examples of left-liberal and LGBT people opposing advancement of MAP rights:
- Debate Guide: MAPs are invalid - Argument commonly made by LGBT people.
- Validity Policing - Activity within fandoms in which liberals try to distance other less-acceptable leftists and liberals.
- Republicans are the real pedophiles - Numerous examples of left wing media accusing Republicans of being pedophiles, or being obsessed with pedophilia.
- Historical examples of LGBT-MAP unity - The alliances between MAP and LGBT groups, that have now broken down.
- MAPocalypse - Today's discourse on MAPs is driven by the "normalization" concern raised in this article, but liberals do not buy it.
- Rainbow Revisionism - Revisionism within the mainstream LGBTQ movement.
- Memes and Graphics
- Censorship
- Moral panic
- Allyn Walker and Thomas Hubbard are two LGBTQ+ academics who were attacked by different types of leftist/liberal anti for work they had done on minor attraction.